Owata Short Film

[PornStarKid90]

OMG.....was Shelly supose to be a lesbian!?!

SEXXXY!! LOVE SHELLY!! <3

[PwnYouAtSoccer]

Billy at 6:31 haha

[whitetrashshayno]

Poor raven reduced to this garabge. Poor billy corgan reduced to making shitty music trying to relive the good ol days. Poor me for watching this for a second time.. fml

[tbaldrich]

i realy like TSP but this really sucks...

[Ashleigh18644]

It's a sad state of affairs when I have to watch a Smashing Pumpkins short film to see quality wrestling action. Raven was, still is, and forever will be one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. Dude is hilarious! The song wasn't bad either.

[dhowe420]

even if you don't understand or watch wrestling you should be able to understand the concept of the story, I think it's very original...

[Corvus887]

I just think people who don't watch or understand wrestling are having trouble relating to the video.

[yoitsmeitsmeitsddp]

its raven :D

[kdemsky]

Great song, and I love the Pumpkins, but this video sucks. Totally boring.

[Geroge86]

Alissa Flash and Shelly are amazing wrestlers and Raven is one of my all time favorites. I like how this was portrayed they all played their parts really well and I like how things ended after the match where Alissa just gave Raven what was coming to him and how he flipped out afterwards but it's too bad something didn't happen to him after cheating on Alissa. I also really like how supportive Shelly was to Alissa it really added depth

[CashiusTML]

Why so many dislikes? I liked it (:

[RaLien]

I'm a wrestling fan. I'm also a Billy Corgan fan. I enjoyed this. Thought it was a neat short film (which it was; it is NOT a music video) and told a good story. I'd love to see more of this story play out...

[GunsoftheArchangels]

Yeah, I get it, the featured single was only featured in the background in clips, and it doesn't go with the video itself at all, but aside from that, what exactly is wrong with it? A huge majority of the comments are pretty much just "Lame." or "Where's Billy?"

[charlotte474]

I like this, something a bit different. its great!

[mexicanpharmacy]

The chicks should've kissed!!!

[mediamascot]

the music video cut is beaut, check it out: twitvid DOT com/MQ4PT

[JonTheDandy]

Its good, I don't get the bitching and complaining, oh well.

[lewisslade]

Terrible....

[horrifyingcat]

the song in the beginng is freak and it rules

[garftheripper]

lame song

[drevpile]

Crap

[stestuff]

WTF Oceania had better be good. The story was shallow and wrestling is meh already. I think the song could fit because seems to be based on trying

[Egnirys27]

Their short film for "Try" was just perfect. This one doesn't even come close if you try to compare...

[manvswolfman]

I think the main problem with this is we were expecting a music video and got a short film with the Pumpkins as the sound track. as far as the short film goes, it's okay, i don't like wrestling, but it's descent i guess. I think the Try short film was a lot better though

[KieranCooperMusic]

Love the songs but this makes me sad :(

[acousticoldplay84]

cute ^^



[allrain]

Everything can be a good subject for a film, even wrestling (look at the stellar The Wrestler). But this looks like a Jersey Shore kinda thing.

[h0rnhead]

i love wrestling and raven is 1 of my all time favorites and i love the pumpkins but i didnt like that, it was horrible and the song was shit

[nunopumpkin]

wrestling is VERY UNPOPULAR outside america

[GunsoftheArchangels]

@nunopumpkin Except in Japan and Mexico.

[PaulMartello]

I now have the "melancholy and infinite sadness" after watching this. And I still want a SP tattoo because of what it meant to me in high school. But why why why this silly ass thing? Y'all missed the boat big time.

[PaulMartello]

I want to cry. How do the pumpkins go from 1979 to this? This was a really dumb video for any video project. It was like a well done college film project. And wtf did this have to do with music? it featured a few clips from a few songs on repeat. COME ONE PUMPKINS... WTTFFFFF!!!!!!!

[ivondudley]

I get the impression people are disliking it simply because they don't like wrestling

[975mas]

@ivondudley Agreed.

[fernandoretamalesl]

@ivondudley No, people are disliking it simply because they can't bear Billy Corgan is not a hipster teenager anymore. Just check how many dislike-posts talk about video quality, the plot, the acting, the song or whatever is really related to this video. There was even a guy talking about James Iha.

[Staszu13]

@fernandoretamalesl Who? LOL

[DJRajX]

Raven was really in good in this... everyone and everything else sucked imo.... music is good though

[uzi978]

Nice to see the guy CM Punk stole his gimmick from in this.

[Golic01]

SHIMMER Tag Team belt lol Good video, not bad, not extraordinary. Just good.

[DarkShadowBlackz18]

the vids alright whats the song in the begining?

[drevpile]

God awful.

[chrisothoulos]

the actual music video will be released soon... this is the short film version

[mlrdmn]

@OuroGoku my friend and fellow pumpkinhead (and fellow dragonball fan from what i can gather!) i just want to see the pumpkins be great again. Peace.

[MissBrookeAdams]

did shelly have breast reduction?

[guilledark]

It is long, but.. i dont care

[shinoaburameable]

@OuroGoku Lol wut..

[shinoaburameable]

@mediamascot You're about that. Still, why did they chose Yahoo Video to premiere the film? If they wanted to showcase the great power of the Red M cameras, they should've just premiere it on Vimeo, put it in HD and that's it

[mlrdmn]

@OuroGoku they took that classic rock thing and made it contempoary by mashing it with like My bloody Valentine smoothness and psychelia ... all im saying is that they do a modern contempoary version of that .. maybe take dark kanye beats (that sound like adore) and mash it with like that siamese dream dream pop vocal of like mybloodyvalentine and that britpsychedilia. Im talking about being a pop slave, i'm talking about being innovative in context to the times which is what they did so well

[mlrdmn]

@OuroGoku ok ok ok dude i hear you, but check out my reply to telegramsam... my dark twisted fantasy is as contempoary and beatiful as Melloncollie + adore Billy stayed relevant and creative untill bout 2000... my only point is understand contempoary styles not to be a pop robot... being relative to contempoary styles and evolving and inovating from that was something they did very very very well infact they were the best at it. They went from that cure, zeplin, doors + heavy rock vibe and

[joeygort]

Best part = 11:17

[learningfromthedevil]

whats all this stupid kanye and dubstep? firstly kanye cant play music or sing he just talks. dubstep is stupid because they made a soundtrack for tron. if billy wants to make a good video he should incorperate psychedelic punk and goth or just go back to the old music videos because they're coming back in style.

[mlrdmn]

@learningfromthedevil i voted up for your comment even though your not supporting the kanye/dubstep statement.. but to me dubstep is the new punk, and kanye is the new goth. Check out the Monster video, doesnt it remind you of Ava Adore? but say 13 years into the future? But definitly feelin on you on the psychedelic elements

[Cepiero]

get it like something between tarantino and mickey rourke style... it's definitely on that line... :)

[MiguelDapena]

?Are this THE pictures that Billy see when he write music? Wow! I'm a big Fan since 1992 but this is ridiculous. I'm shocked and amused!

[TrigFilms]

awful song

[fyrbak]

this is very good, I like that Billy use this video to tell something more than just doing a regular music video.

[sokoraven]

I watched this film only because of Raven!

The plot is stupid though !

Waiting for the Sleeper!

[allrain]

I gave up watching wrestling upon turning 11.

[Loikeodkoekodk]

This is awesome you guys might not like oceania if you dont like the style billys goin into

[P572video]

Is this good?

[mlrdmn]

Billy... hardcore fan since back in the day.... i gave zeitgiest a try but... man the songs were not dynamic, the snare wasnt popin and holding the groove down, the vocals where waaaay up.... and this video... man none of your fans give a shit about this wrestling crap! please billy... please . please make dope pyschspacerock , why not a short film about a young garage rock band or something... BILLY PLEASE get your act together. STudy dubstep, study james blake, study kanye, study new shit!

[telegramsam]

@mlrdmn dubstep? KANYE?!? Good grief.

[mlrdmn]

@telegramsam lolz ok maybe a bit too contempoary! But if you listen to the Drums on ROCKET its got a very contempoary Funky Dubstep type Groove to it, and just kanye in terms of modern orchestral epicness. i duuno maybe it was a chicago reference in terms of being modern contempoary and ahead of the times, setting trends. The way that MellonCollie or adore did - dark twisted fantasy could be compared to melloncolllie or adore

[shinoaburameable]

This is pretty much the worst stuff to come out from the Pumpkins. First, you got this whole confusing wrestling storyline video of a song that doesn't even fit at all, besides of a sub par editing.

Also, they've been hyping this with those Red M Cameras, which they were going to film Avatar 2 and stuff. However, i'm not seeing anything that screams "awesome quality", it's just normal definition.

With all that said, i don't have a lot of hopes with Oceania. Maybe Billy could use some "hiatus".

[mediamascot]

@shinoaburameable remember, youtube compresses videos heavily, so the quality will always be mediocre compared to the original footage. i'm sure that if avatar premiered on youtube, you would find that the video quality didn't live up to the hype =P

[Whyisthisthat]

they should have had Raven do some running he could do with the exercise

[JousterinJudge]

PLEASE SAY YOU'RE DUMBING DOWN OUR EXPECTATIONS TO ABSOLUTELY SLAY US WITH OCEANA

[pumpkinhead1977]

All I have to say is.... "Is it bright where you are, has Billy changed.? Does it make you happy or so STRANGE, STRANGE, STRANGE"!

[monstermonther]

BILLY TOO ADDICTED TO WRESTLING. JAMES IHA WATCHING IT LAUGH

[spatch713]

WTF?

I have been a fan forever but what just happened? I just dont get it or like it.

[Phenomdozer5]

Thumbs up for Raven.

[pretty23garbage]

I'm both a wrestling fan and a smashing pumpkins fan but i still don't understand how you want us to belive that Raven is a ladys man.

[sgtraytango]

@pretty23garbage you'd be surprised how many women Raven's had sex with in his career although I sat watching and thinking "ok, so Raven's his usual awesome self and he mentioned this briefly on one of his youtube video blogs, Shelly and Melissa are awesome as ever too but.....

I dunno, for a music vid it was awesome since I only like a few Pumpkins songs but love wrestling but the thing was, the music didn't sound like anything other than a crappy background theme not a hit single

[mmmikeyxx]

@pretty23garbage LMFAO

[trailmixjustin]

I can't sit through the video... would someone be kind enough to comment with the timepoints where we can see Billy Corgan in this video so we can skip to those. I don't care about these wrestlers. Thanks!

[mrpelon1000]

didn't get it?......the song and the film didn't go together......ravens a has been....

[2605400]

start making better music. For the love of all that is good and holy stop combining wrestling and music. Lame video is lame

[MrFoxtreme]

Quoth the Raven NEVERMORE

[V0lk]

Where's the music??? Why is Billy so obsessed with pro wrestling?

[nicholsjoshua15]

I love this song and I love most of the songs on Teargarden By Kaleidoscope but this video is just horrible. It doesn't ruin the song for me, so I will listen to Owata and not watch the video.

[PantheonLincoln]

I love reading overly negative comments by "fans" who have actually convinced themselves that anyone, especially gives a shit what they have to say.

If you don't like it - piss off and move on with your life. Billy isn't going to pander to you lot.

[telegramsam]

What the hell did I just watch?!?

[BloodyAngelsReturn]

This was very enjoyable, being a huge pro wrestling and SP fan. Raven was hilarious. Good work.

[nathanrmorales]

Huh?

[MechanicalChrist1]

Glad this video opened people's eyes that the smashing pumpkins ended in 2000

[BlackChameleon]

@MechanicalChrist1 Nah, they're still awesome, just misunderstood. You cannot confine someone to a past state in their life. Billy has grown and evolved. If you don't like the way he does things anymore, that's fine, it just means you've grown apart.

[12qzwx]

I think the real message is:

Stop watching youtube,

put on your headphones,

then just listen to music.

[pduperron]

Very Very lame

[LawsVien]

@pduperron I have to agree. This was utterly friggin terrible

[TheMACcar]

Boring stories seem to have more influence when your on mind expanding drugs...

[TheMACcar]

Boring stories seem to have more influence when your on mind expanding drugs...

[whilwheaton]

my favorite part was when i pressed the disslike button

[silverfuck77jpm]

This makes me fear for Oceania...

[Act4]

@silverfuck77jpm I don't think this short film, whether you like it or you don't will have any bearing on the quality of the music on Oceania. I'm still interested to hear what the band has in store for us for that album even though this short film was not my cup of tea.

[DavidBaatzsch]

that was actually a good film, it's just that the smashing pumpkins music is a little out of context from the story.

[ryneldo]

Wait is this the video I got excited for?

[jimbo43]

OMG I loved this as a diehard womens wrestling fan this was tremendous. Shelly & Melissa were awesome!!! The ladies match in this video was better than the crap we get on RAW. 

[hairo71]

Love the Pumpkins, like the song.... don't see the point of this film. At all.

[TheRNP93]

what the fuck, seriously. what does this have to do with anything, sorry but that was shocking

[spaceboy90]

What the fuck am I watching?

[gearhead3]

terrible. billy, you should have quit after jimmy left.

[BlueRhythm64]

*what

[BlueRhythm64]

Share the hell, I can't watch anymore.

[rocklee153]

i thought it was a great film and raven played a very convincing role

[p0479]

This is just awful. I'm done.

[VirtOMac]

As a short film, this was pretty good. But, even I have to admit this was a strange choice on Billy's part.

Love the music, but, if this is the quality of videos we can expect in the future, yeah, Billy should just stick to what he's good at.

[Exophibian]

If you get rid of expectations you will no longer be disappointed .

[whitetrashshayno]

so did billy atleast get to nail a rat for this garbage?

[Ava17adore]

Love Smashing Pumpkins, love all the records, Teargarden is bad ass... But this short film / video isn't very good. Acting blows, the plot is okay I guess, but idono... can't wait for 'TbK Vol 4: Oceana' though!

[975mas]

I don't know about you people, but I think this is good, the message is really good. I think Billy is trying to say that women's wrestling isn't just about Tits and Ass, there really are some passionate women out there. And for you people bashing on Billy, this is was Billy is passionate about. He is a huge wrestling fan and he is just doing what he loves, helping out in the wrestling community, The only stupid thing about this are the people bashing on Billy and the video, this video is great.

[almsahrah]

This is absolute shit! Compare this drivel to a real short film based on/inspired by a Pumpkins track: namely, "Try" by Jonas Akerlund. This is yet another indication of just how creatively bankrupt Corgan and his "music " have become in the 21st century.

[funnybuddydotcom]

Its a short film. Not a music video. That is coming later.

[AWSOMEPOSSUM16]

I honestly liked the video, but it had nothing to do with the song, and I didn't like how the song was used in it. 30 seconds here, 30 seconds there. And it just didn't go with it. I'm sorry Billy.

[MuzicLyricVideoz]

Unlike Facebook, I'm going to give some constructive criticism. When I heard there was a new video, I was ecstatic. But after watching this.. there's no feeling. The acting is okay, it's just.. the script and the way it flows is just awkward. With a video like this, I think a more appropriate song would have been Freak. A Song for a Son and Freak kind of set you up for a badass video, and then you're left with the soft-tone Owata.

[MuzicLyricVideoz]

@MuzicLyricVideoz Continued - I guess I didn't really know what to expect. It's not the worst video I've ever seen, but there were a lot of simple mistakes and technical errors. Even though I didn't like this, I'm still excited for Oceania and I wish the best for you guys.

[tanker245]

I love the songs and Smashing Pumpkins in general, but this was just strange to me.

[kittensarethereason]

Nice video it actually exceeded my expectations for a my short film about wrestling and betrayal but I shouldn't have doubted you guys :P

[kreestenkreesten]

I don't know anything about the actors or wrestling, but I enjoyed the story. I was a little concerned that the entire point of the film was to lead up to a lesbian make-out session. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that - but it sucks when strong and sympathetic women are just there to be eye candy - kind of like what the manager told them they were. Fun cameo appearance by Billy. Some strong acting and they squeeze a lot of characterization into a short film.

[SuperSpanishChicken]

Yes Raven!

[LawsVien]

As a Die-Hard Pumpkins fan I have to say, this was absolutely terrible. I nearly thought this was a joke. The quality was horribly produced, the whole story was just stupid. Seeing Billy is such an intelligent person I thought he could think of something better than this. Even if he didn't think of this abomination of a "short film" why would you let this person create this for you. I must say I was deeply disappointed by this. This really seemed like a bad college video project. Sorry Billy :/

[nucleardonkeyxxx]

@LawsVien I don't see how it's a stupid story. It's an age old tale just told through the guise of pro wrestling. It's the basic story of a boy who wants a girl who is in a one sided relationship with another boy that everyone can see is not good enough for her except her only here they swapped out the boy longing for the girl with another girl thus adding another level of distress to it for the one longing and an even more satisfying ending when they come together and makes more of a statement.

[LawsVien]

@nucleardonkeyxxx Telling it that way was just sstupid. All i can say is that this was realy, really bad

[nucleardonkeyxxx]

@LawsVien *stupid *I *really. Do you really want to comment on the intelligence level of a video that actually contains such a deeper meaning beyond just what you say is a "bad college video project" while messing up such simple words? Was the video great? No. It was however far from stupid. They could have done away with the promoter scene in favor of advancing the story a bit more but that's just a minor gripe. Perhaps the story went a bit over your head, it happens to me all the time.

[LawsVien]

@nucleardonkeyxxx If you're going to argue with me about a simple grammar mistake I made while rushing a comment on a youtube video then fine. I'm just stating my opinion. 

[nucleardonkeyxxx]

@LawsVien That's all I'm doing to. It just irritates me when someone puts so much thought and so much work into something and people comment "this is stupid" I don't care if you didn't like it but perhaps you could expand your reasoning a bit beyond "it's stupid" or "it's bad" otherwise you just look like you just posted for the sake of posting.

[nucleardonkeyxxx]

@nucleardonkeyxxx *too...damn "o" button failed me.

[LawsVien]

@nucleardonkeyxxx I'm really not interested in writing an essay on a youtube video. This was horribly produced, bad acting, and a lesbian plot twist at the end? Are you joking? And the fact the music totally did not fit the mood of the video at all. Playing happy music when it obviously was supposed to have a sad mood.

[PaulMartello]

@LawsVien Couldn't agree more... I'm "saddened" by this. 

[daniel1929]

raven ftw bitches!!!

[TheeReturn]

How's about a great song?

[PastaForPookey]

LOVE SMASHING PUMPKINS! 

[frisk1111111111]

first

[PastaForPookey]

@frisk1111111111  second lol