The main problem with the United States and it's citizens is not college or jobs, the problem is debt. America borrows for everything, school, homes, cars, furniture, everything!!!!! This obsession with borrowing and debt must stop!!! Why? Because of the global economy called GLOBALISM!!!! The only way America will have a chance to compete in the global economy is to get out of debt and stay out of debt.
If you are an excellent high achiever, and keep your nose clean, you will be drawn and quartered, and will be exhausted and broke. Only a premeditated divorce can devastate a man as much as a debt-ridden society that elects Supermen to cure all their ills. The fact is, the more you ponder, the less you'll work. To be a large target today is pure folly. The game has changed. Small and invisible is the new chic.
I wouldn't dismiss college completely, maybe it's the right path for some. I don't think it's for me. Honestly, if I want to learn math, physics, etc, etc, I can walk to my local library and read books for free on the said subjects. If a person is not motivated to learn for free during his free time, why pay to learn the same material???
@DontGoToCollege I sometimes think that the real college classes are the engineering claasses and otheruseful degrees. But because universities know that not everyone is smart enough for a real degree, and because they want to maximize their profits, they created humanities degrees. What do you think. Personally I also think people who spend 40k a year are morons, especially if it is an unknown school. Yes my degree is a waste, but at least I am only 15k in debt.
Also, my friend said all the new hires with degrees, have no idea how to do their job, and end up leaving. He started at age 20 and has no degree and is more productive, smarter, and qualified at analyzing data and the technology needed for the job a the city school district offices. My friend with an international relations degree is now working in PR. She could be doing something better with that degree.
Also, my friend said all the new hires with degrees, have no idea how to do their job, and end up leaving. He started at age 20 and has no degree and is more productive, smarter, and qualified at analyzing data and the technology needed for the job a the city school district offices. My friend with an international relations degree is now working in PR. She could be doing something better with that degree.
My friend who started working in the school district offices at age 20 is making about $15,000 more year than my friends with degrees. He has no degree, only about a year and half worth of college. We need to realizes how much time is wasted in college, when we can actually be building careers, without worrying about having to pay for a grade. My degree friends are working as baristas, retail, and catering. wandering around, wondering if they should go to grad school... it's horrible.
College is only a scam if you don't make it do what you want it to do. Before I started I knew what job field I wanted to go towards, so the degree I'm pursuing is not only relevant to that but corresponds with my work experience. When I graduate, I'll be making $35,000 + than what I was making before. Not to mention I picked an affordable school and I'm cash flowing tuition, people complain about the job market - there are jobs out there you just have to find them and sell yourself. I colle
If college is supposed to make you all this future income that these over-educated fools who are pushing people to go to college claim that it does then why are there more and more college graduates either unemployed or making minimum wage whereas the ones who went to tech./ vocational school are now making bank? Nowadays, you'd have better luck playing a slot machine!
Think about it...with more college graduates every year this issue will only increase exponentially in the years to come!
The claim that university grads may earn more than HS grads is asinine. A university grad is 4-6 years older, and is more mature. Never mind up to their eyeballs in debt.
BTW the unemployed all over earn the same, ZERO. Better to not be in debt from university if the fucking BANKERS are turning your country into a postindustrial wasteland.
hey you guys who think that a degree is worth something are in luck I got a bachelors in bus admin that I am willing to sell for 20k! This is half price, you cant go wrong and Ill throw in the books as an extra incentive to buy now, operators are standing by!
@toddsanders84 LMAO @ 230K - rent, bills, etc. Do you know how long it will take her to pay that off? That's the price of a house. It will take her a lifetimes unless she's living rent free and saving every single penny! Nobody makes $230 their first year out unless they work for the mafia.
@CALICOTV301 well, your wrong fella. people that get masters degrees from ivy league schools will make that the first year out, ever heard of goldman sach? thats her employeer
@toddsanders84 Really? I review job applications fella, and have been for nearly 14 years fella. Stop living in your fantasy world. This is business around you. It's not for you. Look at "ZEITGEIST" on youtube. It explains it all. As quoted: "The more problems, the more money. The more sick people, the more healthcare, the more money. Pass a law, and make a business. The more crime, the better business."
@toddsanders84 At the end of the day, we need to keep the money circulating. Only so it all can be taken back from you before you die. Simple. The way that we do that it, we charge you for something, but, you have to be charged for WAY more, otherwise I don't profit. It's not rocket science. However, we have to make you keep paying for school and give you some jobs, otherwise people would pay for school. Common sense fella. If I don't make you "need" my business, you won't pay. Simple
@toddsanders84 Now, when I loan you $4000, the interest its too low. But if I loan you 230K, the interest is higher. I give you a 20 year plan, so I make more money off of you than if you paid it off in 10 years. Do you notice why loan officer are so desperate to give you a loan? They call you. It's business. Just like a pawn shop, you give me something of greater value, and I give you something of lesser value. If you train your mind to think it's business and not SWINDLING then your good to go
Rebecca's problem is that she wants to go to a overpriced/overrated greedy private university instead of a public one. Average tuition at a public university is around $4,000 a year, not $40,000.
There's also the option of going to a community college for the first two years of undergraduate work, and then transferring to a 4-year university for the remaining two years. This option is even cheaper.
The whole problem with college education is that real world skills are often not obtained in college. And then there's the tuition fees. Would the problem be solved if these 2 issues are being addressed? University is undeniably a good place to make mistakes before you make them in the real world. The network you form in school carries into the working world, eventually becoming business contacts.
That case study is awfully extreme. Most college aren't that expensive. They only charge over $4,500 per year for tuition at Utah State University where I attend. This is a worthwhile investment for me, especially since I get pell grants.
I do have a couple subsidized Stafford Student Loans that I'm going to pay off faster than most people would after college. It only amounts to $5,500 in loans that are not accruing interest as long as I'm in school, and it will pay for itself once I start making more than $40,000 a year (it's cheap to live in Utah).
That's too bad. That's why I am not going out of state. Are you majoring in engineering or education there? I can't think of any other reason to go to Utah State as a non-Utahn.
@MarcFuentos I agree. Many people actually will go to college because of the reputation. Usually, private schools, specialist schools, and ivy league schools make the tuition almost impossible to be a worthwhile investment. DontGoToCollege needs to add a disclaimer that the case study is extreme (Although doing a great service warning us young people)
I live in a large metropolitan area surrounded by colleges. The Cheapest university is around 8,500 per year in tuition. That doesn't include books and other usage fees for the college. Even if you can live with your parents for 4 years, you are looking at 40K in tuition. If you have to live on campus, probably 65-70K for 4 years. This is at your cheapest option. These amounts are just what you borrow, with interest on the loans those amounts could easily double or triple.
@MarcFuentos People! imagine as to whether the job markets never required any degree? The only anticipation i percieve is that people would flood the database of most companies to the extent that they wouldn't know whom to select for the job. Therefore college is necessary to eliminate that kind of competition. Even if I had all the money in the world i would still go to college.
There are way too many useless degrees out there. Or there are too many professionals in one field. Like forensics. How many forensic scientists do you think we actually need? Degrees like marketing and plain business administration also fall into this category.
One thing people forget is the quality of instruction is not the same. There are teachers who don't effectively teach that pass students with A's.
where you say there is a 50% chance that rebecca won't end up making the salary that the college advertises. It's basic math, the average is $22,600 more than a high school graduate. But just because something is an average doesn't mean that it is the 50th percentile. That only works for a median... but you clearly state in your video that your dealing with a mean statistic...
@ticks4ticks4 For several years, from several sources, I have been informed that the college dropout rate is about 50%. If this is not the case, someone please correct me.
I think the whole issue of whether college pays is based on false reasoning.
The arguments used by DGTC guy and others is that college is tantamount to an outright business investment like that of an individual investor in a company.
Therefore, in order to get an ROI you have to have a job or career that will immediately or eventually pay off.
A degree is basically equivalent
to buying a house or car, an expensive purchase you can use and must pay off over time.
The argument that college is a risky investment is a false one. Going to college is not analogous to starting or investing in a business. College is about the attainment of knowledge. Whether a specific skill or degree will pay off via a job depends on the job market. The job market is the final arbiter as to what skills, trades and degrees have any financial or fiscal worth. Employers determine that. Again, wake up and look at the logic and the facts.
@DontGoToCollege Your absolutely right anymore college is the greatest scam ever concieved just like the propaganda the Nazis used on the German people back in the day
@DontGoToCollege Very true but if you are looking for a job in Technology, IT, Engineering, etc. They will toss out your resume' if you don't have a degree. So for some its necessary if only for the degree.
@SpartanicalSystem I agree. In my first video "Don't Go to College" I acknowledge that a degree is important for some specific career choices. Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching!
@MultiSmartass1 I see what you are getting at, but I would have to agree. Although I went to college, I'd say it's the greatest scam ever created. I mean, seriously. Will you argue that a hamburger in NY should be much more than a hamburger in DC? What's your proof. So why is Harvard more than many colleges? I mean, are the professors that much smarter? We all plagiarize fromt the same source. If I loan you a dollar, I expect a dollar. Not 50. It's all a scam and it's one of the biggest ever.
@MultiSmartass1 Again, I've stated my point. Colleges are a scam. It's a business. When rent in a 4 bedroom house is 1200 a month. They charge you much for monthly simply for a room. In addition, books, and so many other fees. Im not sure what "seeming" like a person went to college would be. Jobs are a business. At the end of the day, it's money.College is definitely a scam. I never don't go, but it's still a scam. They put you in debt, it's simple! They charge to give you information.
@CALICOTV301 Again, I have made my points here. Going to college is like buying a house or a car or making some highly expensive purchase.
Buying a house is not an investment in shelter anymore than buying a car is an investment in transportation.
A college degree is not an investment in anything but a 4 year course that nets a credential signifiying one has learned a specific subject matter. Nothing more or less.
The Job market and free markets determines the skills that are hot or not.
@MultiSmartass1 You just stated what I was getting at. "Going to college is like buying a house or a car or making some highly expensive purchase." My point is, why are these things as you've stated "highly expensive?" Yes, and when you get out of college, and you've paid 140K to get a master's, how soon will you get that 140K back? How soon will you pay that loan off? Realistically? How much do you actually use on your job and how much of your job did you actually learn on it?
@CALICOTV301 Well, if you don't want to buy a car and a house because these things are expensive. Either live in an apartment and ride the rail or bus or just be homeless.
Why cars and homes are expensive are for another forum.
The point is that they are just like college.
Again, the foolish and stupid on this forum believe that college is a scam.
It is no such thing since one is not forced to go but voluntarily does so and in the process assumes the costs and debts of such an enterprise.
@MultiSmartass1 Scam by definition: to deceive someone. Therefore, it's a scam! Colleges are in debt, and you are paying to get them out! Simple and plain. They are paying teachers peanuts and making 1 teachers yearly salary from a student in one semester. Do the math. SCAM, SCAM, and SCAM!
@MultiSmartass1 I do have a degree, but it's a scam. Society basically says "YOU WILL REMAIN POOR" unless you pay me for your education. If you can't afford it, somehow, someway, make it possible or you will work as a janitor the rest of your life.
@CALICOTV301 I have a Bachelor's Degree. Nobody forced me to get one -certainly not society. I chose to spend 4 years in College and end up with a BA degree.
The same is true for millions upon millions of kids who atttend colleges and universities every year in this country. They have made choices to attend. Maybe some of them were pressured by parents but that's a different story.
If you make financial choices, you have to assume fianancial risks. Stop whining and moaning and pay off debt.
@MultiSmartass1 Ugh, yeah. Most likely, if you didn't have a degree for any job, many people wouldn't go. These people ONLY go because of that reason. Double standard, the same is true for the millions who don't have. I do design work and someone asked me to doctor transcripts. That's testament to people not being concerned about the actual education and conforming to society's stupid ways. Do you notice that certain races are in certain jobs. It's a scam. A strategem.
@MultiSmartass1 "Scam" = a stratagem for gain. Again, many banks in other countries loan exactly what they want you to pay back. However, you think it's normal to receive $1 and have to pay someone back $12 so that's why it's no a scam. Now people are getting their checks garnished because of school, or houses foreclosed and so forth. Reasoning? I think you are the on lacking reasoning.
The idea that getting a college education automatically leads to a job is a false argument or point that has been argued for years. Traditional colleges were not set up to teach people to get a job but to provide a liberal education. 4 year schools are about the acquisition of knowledge in a specific field. Period. End of discussion. Do your homework before you make these videos. Maybe if you had got a degree, you wouldn't be the bitter, dried up has-been you are today.
Adding on the fact that a lot of college graduates these days go out into the world and find no jobs. They can't even get jobs that would traditionally go to people who didn't go to college, because they're considered overqualified. College is a must for certain professions, and certainly can be enriching. But for most people, it's not worth doing.
Student loans are a crippling ball and chain for graduates who are just starting out in life.
Wake up people. A college degree is just a commodity like wheat, pork bellies, Real Estate, oil, or gold so it's subject to the basic laws supply and demand. More students equal more demand for credit (student loans) and higher prices. More degrees equal lower salaries.
These student loans and thier terms are insane. As least Shylock only wanted a pound of flesh.
The problem is Colleges are big business. They have been infiltrated for years by unsavory professors. You must take their core requirements to get their diploma. Many core requirement courses teach you what to think, not how to think. College dorms are human zoos. Get your degree. In this economy it's even more worthless. Ivy League Schools are a different matter. You're there to meet and marry elitists and make buin'ess connections. As the song goes takin care of business everyday.
"Ivy League Schools are a different matter. You're there to meet and marry elitists and make buin'ess connections. As the song goes takin care of business everyday."
College helps the offspring of the rich and elite the most, because they have a safety net and social networking regardless of all the foolishness and partying they do.
To virus91: Gee, most of the old money people I know never got a Business Degree or MBA to be prosperious. They didn't need college approval to figure out how to run their business. They did need Customers and business connections. But, they did make sure they sent their kids to college to get herpes, coke and weed experience. The college degree kids ruined the business. Educated Morons. Dumb ass is 2 words.
No one should go to a 40,000 college...Unless you're rich. But if you are going to go then go to a cheap one, like one that cost 14,000 per year.
Oh and BTW, was Industrial Engineering hard?...I plan to major in Mechanical engineering. Not because someone told me to, but i just like mechanical objects and building then and knowing and wondering how they work, such as cars. But it does suck that most engineering jobs are being outsourced which is just complete B.S.
Even $14,000 a year is too much if you have to borrow it.
Engineering is harder than almost all other majors, harder classes and more of them.
Where I studied engineering, all students had to take Vector Statics and Vector Dynamics. There was a 50% failure rate for the classes. Most students had to retake them. Many students changed majors after these classes.
I was told by a professor that it was some profs hobby to fail as many students as they could.
Try to get in to the US Navy Nuclear Engineering Program. After 6 years, you'll have more experience than anyone with an engineering degree from a traditional university and will most likely make more money.
Yes, ole Rebecca will be forced to pay for bogus courses that make up the "core requirement" of her major. She'll be exposed to alternative lifestyles. Some courses may require her to get rid of her faith and values. Eventually for the time and money and dorm life, ole Rebecca may make some poor Schlub a great Wife with a career, after the venerial warts are cured. Take the college money and invest in your own business.
It depends on the person and the college if one is in there for the sex and drugs. Rebecca has entered the belly of the beast... rebecca has entered The College Matrix.
Ok.. so by the end of graduation, one has the degree but one also has to find and build connections while he/she is in college I live in CA and looks like this upcoming year I'm going for a roller coaster ride. Hey, what was your major when you were in college?
I dropped out a year before graduating. Engineering is what the system told me I was good at but it was not my passion. I wanted to stop getting into debt. Some of my fellow students who graduated had a hard time finding work.
I worked as an Industrial Engineering supervisor at company part-time but it just wasn't my thing. Still trying to find out what I want to be when I grow up!
Engineering gets good press. But the reality is that many company prefer to outsource it to China/India.
OK so she will living 27% less of quality of life of someone that didn't got to college until age 35...so what. Sje still will probably making more money and have more self esteem. this is kinda bs
Or she probably won't be making more money - there is no guarantee. But she will be deep in debt unless mommy and daddy pay for it. The hypothetical "more money" does materialize for most college grads but the debt sure does.
As far as self esteem goes, she's got serious issues if she needs a college degree for self esteem. Should have spent the money on therapy.
You can buy a nice house for $183,000. Imaging how much interest she would end up paying. That's a risk not worth taking considering a student loan is a debt you can't escape
I think counselors are failing these students. These are naive young people who don't know much about life or finances. I wish every high school senior can see your videos before they make a decision about college.
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The main problem with the United States and it's citizens is not college or jobs, the problem is debt. America borrows for everything, school, homes, cars, furniture, everything!!!!! This obsession with borrowing and debt must stop!!! Why? Because of the global economy called GLOBALISM!!!! The only way America will have a chance to compete in the global economy is to get out of debt and stay out of debt.
JohnD2095 1 month ago
If you are an excellent high achiever, and keep your nose clean, you will be drawn and quartered, and will be exhausted and broke. Only a premeditated divorce can devastate a man as much as a debt-ridden society that elects Supermen to cure all their ills. The fact is, the more you ponder, the less you'll work. To be a large target today is pure folly. The game has changed. Small and invisible is the new chic.
JosephHuntington 4 months ago
I wouldn't dismiss college completely, maybe it's the right path for some. I don't think it's for me. Honestly, if I want to learn math, physics, etc, etc, I can walk to my local library and read books for free on the said subjects. If a person is not motivated to learn for free during his free time, why pay to learn the same material???
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888music 4 months ago
@whyyesyes good point
DontGoToCollege 4 months ago
@DontGoToCollege I sometimes think that the real college classes are the engineering claasses and otheruseful degrees. But because universities know that not everyone is smart enough for a real degree, and because they want to maximize their profits, they created humanities degrees. What do you think. Personally I also think people who spend 40k a year are morons, especially if it is an unknown school. Yes my degree is a waste, but at least I am only 15k in debt.
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Also, my friend said all the new hires with degrees, have no idea how to do their job, and end up leaving. He started at age 20 and has no degree and is more productive, smarter, and qualified at analyzing data and the technology needed for the job a the city school district offices. My friend with an international relations degree is now working in PR. She could be doing something better with that degree.
TheChertron 5 months ago
Also, my friend said all the new hires with degrees, have no idea how to do their job, and end up leaving. He started at age 20 and has no degree and is more productive, smarter, and qualified at analyzing data and the technology needed for the job a the city school district offices. My friend with an international relations degree is now working in PR. She could be doing something better with that degree.
TheChertron 5 months ago
My friend who started working in the school district offices at age 20 is making about $15,000 more year than my friends with degrees. He has no degree, only about a year and half worth of college. We need to realizes how much time is wasted in college, when we can actually be building careers, without worrying about having to pay for a grade. My degree friends are working as baristas, retail, and catering. wandering around, wondering if they should go to grad school... it's horrible.
TheChertron 5 months ago
10 years including college that is with one year of grad school.
dinamo4889 5 months ago
Don't enlist into the military to pay for college because this will waste 10 years of your life.
dinamo4889 5 months ago
She should become a dancer. She's make three times what she'd make after graduating college.
mjpitche 9 months ago
College is only a scam if you don't make it do what you want it to do. Before I started I knew what job field I wanted to go towards, so the degree I'm pursuing is not only relevant to that but corresponds with my work experience. When I graduate, I'll be making $35,000 + than what I was making before. Not to mention I picked an affordable school and I'm cash flowing tuition, people complain about the job market - there are jobs out there you just have to find them and sell yourself. I colle
spartant22 9 months ago
@stitches815 College is a lie.
CALICOTV301 9 months ago
If college is supposed to make you all this future income that these over-educated fools who are pushing people to go to college claim that it does then why are there more and more college graduates either unemployed or making minimum wage whereas the ones who went to tech./ vocational school are now making bank? Nowadays, you'd have better luck playing a slot machine!
Think about it...with more college graduates every year this issue will only increase exponentially in the years to come!
ryanspeed 1 year ago
collage is a joke!
baredd79 1 year ago
you seem pretty out of breath man, maybe you should take it easy on the college kids
Doriamos 1 year ago
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lostprophet912 1 year ago
The claim that university grads may earn more than HS grads is asinine. A university grad is 4-6 years older, and is more mature. Never mind up to their eyeballs in debt.
BTW the unemployed all over earn the same, ZERO. Better to not be in debt from university if the fucking BANKERS are turning your country into a postindustrial wasteland.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
@centurion180ad lol its you again
sironisix 11 months ago
hey you guys who think that a degree is worth something are in luck I got a bachelors in bus admin that I am willing to sell for 20k! This is half price, you cant go wrong and Ill throw in the books as an extra incentive to buy now, operators are standing by!
larsonb33 1 year ago
my sister got an mba from rice, 75k a semester, 4x semesters... she makes 230 large first year out, shes 28
toddsanders84 1 year ago
@toddsanders84 LMAO @ 230K - rent, bills, etc. Do you know how long it will take her to pay that off? That's the price of a house. It will take her a lifetimes unless she's living rent free and saving every single penny! Nobody makes $230 their first year out unless they work for the mafia.
CALICOTV301 9 months ago
@CALICOTV301 well, your wrong fella. people that get masters degrees from ivy league schools will make that the first year out, ever heard of goldman sach? thats her employeer
toddsanders84 9 months ago
@toddsanders84 Really? I review job applications fella, and have been for nearly 14 years fella. Stop living in your fantasy world. This is business around you. It's not for you. Look at "ZEITGEIST" on youtube. It explains it all. As quoted: "The more problems, the more money. The more sick people, the more healthcare, the more money. Pass a law, and make a business. The more crime, the better business."
CALICOTV301 9 months ago
@toddsanders84 At the end of the day, we need to keep the money circulating. Only so it all can be taken back from you before you die. Simple. The way that we do that it, we charge you for something, but, you have to be charged for WAY more, otherwise I don't profit. It's not rocket science. However, we have to make you keep paying for school and give you some jobs, otherwise people would pay for school. Common sense fella. If I don't make you "need" my business, you won't pay. Simple
CALICOTV301 9 months ago
@toddsanders84 Now, when I loan you $4000, the interest its too low. But if I loan you 230K, the interest is higher. I give you a 20 year plan, so I make more money off of you than if you paid it off in 10 years. Do you notice why loan officer are so desperate to give you a loan? They call you. It's business. Just like a pawn shop, you give me something of greater value, and I give you something of lesser value. If you train your mind to think it's business and not SWINDLING then your good to go
CALICOTV301 9 months ago
LoL, this is bogus. I had 17K in debt after I got out of college and paid it back in 3 years. Stop whining
avataz 1 year ago
Rebecca's problem is that she wants to go to a overpriced/overrated greedy private university instead of a public one. Average tuition at a public university is around $4,000 a year, not $40,000.
There's also the option of going to a community college for the first two years of undergraduate work, and then transferring to a 4-year university for the remaining two years. This option is even cheaper.
elsamuraiguapo 1 year ago
I am a college student. I am getting a degree because my dream job requires it. I agree that college is an investment and is not for everyone.
What is worse is that many companies refuse to higher college graduates because the grads need or assume a higher income.
What I learned is my computer science ass and knowledge is at mercy to the government because of the federal loans I take out.
techn0teen 1 year ago
Sallie Mae is every university's favorite student......
starlite100 1 year ago
I have a Master's Degree in Social Work and I only make 32,000 a year. I could have made that with no college degree.
911nomad 1 year ago
@911nomad
Are you serious? You should be earning more..
reesescupbrandy1 1 year ago
The whole problem with college education is that real world skills are often not obtained in college. And then there's the tuition fees. Would the problem be solved if these 2 issues are being addressed? University is undeniably a good place to make mistakes before you make them in the real world. The network you form in school carries into the working world, eventually becoming business contacts.
AgeofColossus 1 year ago
That case study is awfully extreme. Most college aren't that expensive. They only charge over $4,500 per year for tuition at Utah State University where I attend. This is a worthwhile investment for me, especially since I get pell grants.
MarcFuentos 1 year ago
@MarcFuentos
I hope you don't get into student loan debt.
Thanks for your comment.
DontGoToCollege 1 year ago 3
@DontGoToCollege
I do have a couple subsidized Stafford Student Loans that I'm going to pay off faster than most people would after college. It only amounts to $5,500 in loans that are not accruing interest as long as I'm in school, and it will pay for itself once I start making more than $40,000 a year (it's cheap to live in Utah).
MarcFuentos 1 year ago
@DontGoToCollege Dude you made my day!!! i've been telling people this for years!!!
NeoMavarickThinkers 1 year ago
@MarcFuentos
i applied there next year and there charging me 32,000 because im out of state
mwhaha1000 1 year ago
@mwhaha1000
That's too bad. That's why I am not going out of state. Are you majoring in engineering or education there? I can't think of any other reason to go to Utah State as a non-Utahn.
MarcFuentos 1 year ago
@MarcFuentos I agree. Many people actually will go to college because of the reputation. Usually, private schools, specialist schools, and ivy league schools make the tuition almost impossible to be a worthwhile investment. DontGoToCollege needs to add a disclaimer that the case study is extreme (Although doing a great service warning us young people)
techn0teen 1 year ago
@MarcFuentos
I live in a large metropolitan area surrounded by colleges. The Cheapest university is around 8,500 per year in tuition. That doesn't include books and other usage fees for the college. Even if you can live with your parents for 4 years, you are looking at 40K in tuition. If you have to live on campus, probably 65-70K for 4 years. This is at your cheapest option. These amounts are just what you borrow, with interest on the loans those amounts could easily double or triple.
lostprophet912 1 year ago 5
@MarcFuentos Just wait until you get out of school and your degree matches up with a Harvard alumnus.
CALICOTV301 9 months ago
@MarcFuentos People! imagine as to whether the job markets never required any degree? The only anticipation i percieve is that people would flood the database of most companies to the extent that they wouldn't know whom to select for the job. Therefore college is necessary to eliminate that kind of competition. Even if I had all the money in the world i would still go to college.
Charliesonbaahsonsky 9 months ago
I agree with DontGo ToCollege.
There are way too many useless degrees out there. Or there are too many professionals in one field. Like forensics. How many forensic scientists do you think we actually need? Degrees like marketing and plain business administration also fall into this category.
One thing people forget is the quality of instruction is not the same. There are teachers who don't effectively teach that pass students with A's.
BigBobsh2o 1 year ago
hahaha this guys an idiot... pulled that 50% statistic out of his ass. Guess thats what you get when you don't go to college
BasalRate 1 year ago
@BasalRate
What 50% statistic are you referring to?
DontGoToCollege 1 year ago
where you say there is a 50% chance that rebecca won't end up making the salary that the college advertises. It's basic math, the average is $22,600 more than a high school graduate. But just because something is an average doesn't mean that it is the 50th percentile. That only works for a median... but you clearly state in your video that your dealing with a mean statistic...
BasalRate 1 year ago
@DontGoToCollege the one you had mention at 02:38- 02:39 .
ticks4ticks4 4 months ago
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888music 4 months ago
@ticks4ticks4 For several years, from several sources, I have been informed that the college dropout rate is about 50%. If this is not the case, someone please correct me.
DontGoToCollege 4 months ago
Do a search on the web first about the University of
Phoenix then run as fast as you can to a "real" ethical
college. The University of Phoenix is actually a for profit
corporation.The results are very scary. I almost fell for
their ubiquitous advertising. Get a respectable degree from
a respectable college.
MindTrek00 2 years ago
@MindTrek00
I would tend to agree with you but the issue is what kind of degree you want.
University of Phoenix degrees are for people who want specific degrees for specific jobs and or career.
One problem is that they are called the University of Phoenix not Phoenix Business College or Technical College.
People believe they are "true" colleges and universities.
I went to a small state college so I agree that people should go to an "ethical" college if they can.
MultiSmartass1 2 years ago
Where does your 50% chance it won't happen come from?
Its not just, you will make 27k more or you won't. The 27k isn't an absolute value, its an Average value.
You may make 28k more with a degree, or 26K more.
Its not simply, you either will make 27k more or you won't. Its not a 50/50 split, its a gradual split.
I suppose... mathematical and critical thinking skills are not your strong point. Everything seems to be 50/50
Divigen 2 years ago
@Divigen
I think the whole issue of whether college pays is based on false reasoning.
The arguments used by DGTC guy and others is that college is tantamount to an outright business investment like that of an individual investor in a company.
Therefore, in order to get an ROI you have to have a job or career that will immediately or eventually pay off.
A degree is basically equivalent
to buying a house or car, an expensive purchase you can use and must pay off over time.
MultiSmartass1 2 years ago
The argument that college is a risky investment is a false one. Going to college is not analogous to starting or investing in a business. College is about the attainment of knowledge. Whether a specific skill or degree will pay off via a job depends on the job market. The job market is the final arbiter as to what skills, trades and degrees have any financial or fiscal worth. Employers determine that. Again, wake up and look at the logic and the facts.
MultiSmartass1 2 years ago
The job market is telling many people that their college degree is worthless and the "education" that they received is overpriced.
Most of what is taught in colleges can be obtained elsewhere at much lower cost - financial cost and opportunity cost.
I still contend that except for a few career choices, college is just not worth it.
DontGoToCollege 2 years ago 13
What imaginary job market are you talking about? The one on the moon?
If an employer demands a BA or BS to meet the basic requirements of a job, you either possess the degree or you don't. Otherwise, no job.
4 year colleges and universities are not job centers. They weren't set up for that. If you want to work, get a simple job.
As I have stated several times, colleges hike tuition rates and fees year after year. This is the reason why student debt is so high.
When will you wake up?
MultiSmartass1 2 years ago
@DontGoToCollege Your absolutely right anymore college is the greatest scam ever concieved just like the propaganda the Nazis used on the German people back in the day
Spudgurius83 11 months ago
@DontGoToCollege You said it. I'm almost 19 and I'm still not going to college. College degrees are worthless pieces of paper.
liberty2011able 9 months ago
@DontGoToCollege Very true but if you are looking for a job in Technology, IT, Engineering, etc. They will toss out your resume' if you don't have a degree. So for some its necessary if only for the degree.
SpartanicalSystem 2 months ago
@SpartanicalSystem I agree. In my first video "Don't Go to College" I acknowledge that a degree is important for some specific career choices. Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching!
DontGoToCollege 1 month ago
@MultiSmartass1 I see what you are getting at, but I would have to agree. Although I went to college, I'd say it's the greatest scam ever created. I mean, seriously. Will you argue that a hamburger in NY should be much more than a hamburger in DC? What's your proof. So why is Harvard more than many colleges? I mean, are the professors that much smarter? We all plagiarize fromt the same source. If I loan you a dollar, I expect a dollar. Not 50. It's all a scam and it's one of the biggest ever.
CALICOTV301 9 months ago
@CALICOTV301 It doesn't seem like you went to college because you dont seem to posess logic in processing this issue nor rational reasoning skills.
Colleges and universities are not "scams." A scam would mean that a person recieves nothing for the money proferred.
A person who spends 4 years in college and graduates recieves a degree-in essence-a scholastic credential. Nothing more or less.
As I have explained elsewhere here, the Job market determines which skills are marketable.
Get a job.
MultiSmartass1 9 months ago
@MultiSmartass1 Again, I've stated my point. Colleges are a scam. It's a business. When rent in a 4 bedroom house is 1200 a month. They charge you much for monthly simply for a room. In addition, books, and so many other fees. Im not sure what "seeming" like a person went to college would be. Jobs are a business. At the end of the day, it's money.College is definitely a scam. I never don't go, but it's still a scam. They put you in debt, it's simple! They charge to give you information.
CALICOTV301 9 months ago
@CALICOTV301 Again, I have made my points here. Going to college is like buying a house or a car or making some highly expensive purchase.
Buying a house is not an investment in shelter anymore than buying a car is an investment in transportation.
A college degree is not an investment in anything but a 4 year course that nets a credential signifiying one has learned a specific subject matter. Nothing more or less.
The Job market and free markets determines the skills that are hot or not.
MultiSmartass1 9 months ago
@MultiSmartass1 You just stated what I was getting at. "Going to college is like buying a house or a car or making some highly expensive purchase." My point is, why are these things as you've stated "highly expensive?" Yes, and when you get out of college, and you've paid 140K to get a master's, how soon will you get that 140K back? How soon will you pay that loan off? Realistically? How much do you actually use on your job and how much of your job did you actually learn on it?
CALICOTV301 9 months ago
@CALICOTV301 Well, if you don't want to buy a car and a house because these things are expensive. Either live in an apartment and ride the rail or bus or just be homeless.
Why cars and homes are expensive are for another forum.
The point is that they are just like college.
Again, the foolish and stupid on this forum believe that college is a scam.
It is no such thing since one is not forced to go but voluntarily does so and in the process assumes the costs and debts of such an enterprise.
MultiSmartass1 9 months ago
@MultiSmartass1 Scam by definition: to deceive someone. Therefore, it's a scam! Colleges are in debt, and you are paying to get them out! Simple and plain. They are paying teachers peanuts and making 1 teachers yearly salary from a student in one semester. Do the math. SCAM, SCAM, and SCAM!
CALICOTV301 9 months ago
@MultiSmartass1 I do have a degree, but it's a scam. Society basically says "YOU WILL REMAIN POOR" unless you pay me for your education. If you can't afford it, somehow, someway, make it possible or you will work as a janitor the rest of your life.
CALICOTV301 9 months ago
@CALICOTV301 I have a Bachelor's Degree. Nobody forced me to get one -certainly not society. I chose to spend 4 years in College and end up with a BA degree.
The same is true for millions upon millions of kids who atttend colleges and universities every year in this country. They have made choices to attend. Maybe some of them were pressured by parents but that's a different story.
If you make financial choices, you have to assume fianancial risks. Stop whining and moaning and pay off debt.
MultiSmartass1 9 months ago
@MultiSmartass1 Ugh, yeah. Most likely, if you didn't have a degree for any job, many people wouldn't go. These people ONLY go because of that reason. Double standard, the same is true for the millions who don't have. I do design work and someone asked me to doctor transcripts. That's testament to people not being concerned about the actual education and conforming to society's stupid ways. Do you notice that certain races are in certain jobs. It's a scam. A strategem.
CALICOTV301 9 months ago
@MultiSmartass1 "Scam" = a stratagem for gain. Again, many banks in other countries loan exactly what they want you to pay back. However, you think it's normal to receive $1 and have to pay someone back $12 so that's why it's no a scam. Now people are getting their checks garnished because of school, or houses foreclosed and so forth. Reasoning? I think you are the on lacking reasoning.
CALICOTV301 9 months ago
The idea that getting a college education automatically leads to a job is a false argument or point that has been argued for years. Traditional colleges were not set up to teach people to get a job but to provide a liberal education. 4 year schools are about the acquisition of knowledge in a specific field. Period. End of discussion. Do your homework before you make these videos. Maybe if you had got a degree, you wouldn't be the bitter, dried up has-been you are today.
MultiSmartass1 2 years ago
Adding on the fact that a lot of college graduates these days go out into the world and find no jobs. They can't even get jobs that would traditionally go to people who didn't go to college, because they're considered overqualified. College is a must for certain professions, and certainly can be enriching. But for most people, it's not worth doing.
donignacio2000 2 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
What DO you do for a living? I think the guy who's claiming college is counterproductive should have the life to proveit
BlaccNote 2 years ago
I'm just like a college professor...all talk and no walk!!
DontGoToCollege 2 years ago
Another good video.
Student loans are a crippling ball and chain for graduates who are just starting out in life.
Wake up people. A college degree is just a commodity like wheat, pork bellies, Real Estate, oil, or gold so it's subject to the basic laws supply and demand. More students equal more demand for credit (student loans) and higher prices. More degrees equal lower salaries.
These student loans and thier terms are insane. As least Shylock only wanted a pound of flesh.
LeftLiberalSoCal 2 years ago 2
I just watched a video on insolvency and came up with this interesting dilemma. The general equation all accounting is based off of is that
ASSETS= LIABILITIES + OE
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TAKE OUT A $50,000 LOAN FOR YOUR EDUCATION?
Assets = Liabilities + OE +? = +50,000
Education of employees is actually something that according to FASB and AICPA standards cannot be quantified monetarily!
Rockynurse 2 years ago
The problem is Colleges are big business. They have been infiltrated for years by unsavory professors. You must take their core requirements to get their diploma. Many core requirement courses teach you what to think, not how to think. College dorms are human zoos. Get your degree. In this economy it's even more worthless. Ivy League Schools are a different matter. You're there to meet and marry elitists and make buin'ess connections. As the song goes takin care of business everyday.
ghosty426 2 years ago
"Ivy League Schools are a different matter. You're there to meet and marry elitists and make buin'ess connections. As the song goes takin care of business everyday."
College helps the offspring of the rich and elite the most, because they have a safety net and social networking regardless of all the foolishness and partying they do.
Wytchfinde 2 years ago
To virus91: Gee, most of the old money people I know never got a Business Degree or MBA to be prosperious. They didn't need college approval to figure out how to run their business. They did need Customers and business connections. But, they did make sure they sent their kids to college to get herpes, coke and weed experience. The college degree kids ruined the business. Educated Morons. Dumb ass is 2 words.
ghosty426 2 years ago 4
No one should go to a 40,000 college...Unless you're rich. But if you are going to go then go to a cheap one, like one that cost 14,000 per year.
Oh and BTW, was Industrial Engineering hard?...I plan to major in Mechanical engineering. Not because someone told me to, but i just like mechanical objects and building then and knowing and wondering how they work, such as cars. But it does suck that most engineering jobs are being outsourced which is just complete B.S.
TheGuyOnDownStreet 2 years ago
Even $14,000 a year is too much if you have to borrow it.
Engineering is harder than almost all other majors, harder classes and more of them.
Where I studied engineering, all students had to take Vector Statics and Vector Dynamics. There was a 50% failure rate for the classes. Most students had to retake them. Many students changed majors after these classes.
I was told by a professor that it was some profs hobby to fail as many students as they could.
DontGoToCollege 2 years ago
A mechanical engineer friend of mine told me last month he doesn't use any of the things he studied in college.
There are other careers you can consider if you're into mechanical things.
Sales is a good one. You need a lot of technical knowledge and since you're interested in it you can learn on your own.
DontGoToCollege 2 years ago
Try to get in to the US Navy Nuclear Engineering Program. After 6 years, you'll have more experience than anyone with an engineering degree from a traditional university and will most likely make more money.
YoSoydePinas 2 years ago 4
what do you do for a living?
just curious...thanks
stevieVantanna 2 years ago
Yes, ole Rebecca will be forced to pay for bogus courses that make up the "core requirement" of her major. She'll be exposed to alternative lifestyles. Some courses may require her to get rid of her faith and values. Eventually for the time and money and dorm life, ole Rebecca may make some poor Schlub a great Wife with a career, after the venerial warts are cured. Take the college money and invest in your own business.
ghosty426 2 years ago 3
It depends on the person and the college if one is in there for the sex and drugs. Rebecca has entered the belly of the beast... rebecca has entered The College Matrix.
TheCollegeMatrix 2 years ago 4
gee, a business would go great with that business degree, wait... your a dumbass
vrus91 2 years ago
Ok.. so by the end of graduation, one has the degree but one also has to find and build connections while he/she is in college I live in CA and looks like this upcoming year I'm going for a roller coaster ride. Hey, what was your major when you were in college?
lilgame34 2 years ago
Industrial Engineering
DontGoToCollege 2 years ago
But that's a damn good major!
You did not receive a job at the end? But how come i heard that there is a shortage of engineers??
What happened?
lilgame34 2 years ago
I dropped out a year before graduating. Engineering is what the system told me I was good at but it was not my passion. I wanted to stop getting into debt. Some of my fellow students who graduated had a hard time finding work.
I worked as an Industrial Engineering supervisor at company part-time but it just wasn't my thing. Still trying to find out what I want to be when I grow up!
Engineering gets good press. But the reality is that many company prefer to outsource it to China/India.
DontGoToCollege 2 years ago
OK so she will living 27% less of quality of life of someone that didn't got to college until age 35...so what. Sje still will probably making more money and have more self esteem. this is kinda bs
stevieVantanna 2 years ago
Or she probably won't be making more money - there is no guarantee. But she will be deep in debt unless mommy and daddy pay for it. The hypothetical "more money" does materialize for most college grads but the debt sure does.
As far as self esteem goes, she's got serious issues if she needs a college degree for self esteem. Should have spent the money on therapy.
DontGoToCollege 2 years ago
You can buy a nice house for $183,000. Imaging how much interest she would end up paying. That's a risk not worth taking considering a student loan is a debt you can't escape
Eball06 2 years ago
I can hardly believe there people who'd get into six figure debt for a bachelor's degree. It amazes me.
DontGoToCollege 2 years ago
I think counselors are failing these students. These are naive young people who don't know much about life or finances. I wish every high school senior can see your videos before they make a decision about college.
Eball06 2 years ago 14
Another great video.
I really lucked out finding this channel. I'll be distributing it to a lot of people.
drealm 2 years ago
Thanks! I really appreciate it.
DontGoToCollege 2 years ago