Though I do like a few songs on this album, I really missed Grace Slick. This band was never the same for me without her, Grace Slick is and always will be a legend in my eyes.
if i remember correctly, mutt lange only produced a couple of songs on this album, he didnt produce the whole album....point is still taken absolutely....
@Rudemanlan actually, it doesnt suck. Why such defense of such pap ?? Do you hear me slagging the mighty Floyd, or Zep, or the Who, or Steely Dan, or the Eagles ? Fuk U, like really. Go play "we built this city" on your cassette over & over. Or is that an 8-track ?? hahaha
@Rudemanlan try bringing up "we built this city" in serious rock circles.....you'll get laughed out of the room !! That song SINGLEHANDEDLY ruined the Starship. Plus, and I cant wait for you to refute this, many Starship members quit and wanted NO part of that schlock...so fuck off with your 80's "cover" bands !!
Its nice you dispute (not) the fact that a catchy, radio-friendly ditty can RUIN a band sometimes, EVEN IF IT SELLS TONNAGE AT THE TIME. Is it worth it in the long run ?? And those "chicks" you speak of ARE flavor-of-the-month types, who move-on to the next cool thing. AC/DC are a good example of not selling out (like Foreigner or the Cars), and look at their extensive career. Message here ? DONT try to appeal to "the chicks" ! They'll be onto something else in no time flat !!
@Rudemanlan Finally, please dont go on about how long a career they had. Songs like "Jane" and other late 70's/early 80's stuff had SUBSTANCE....fans bought those records for the quality. They werent soley love ballads and pop fluff. Take the time to research how utterly LOATHED a ditty like "we built this city..." is. It is literaly MOCKED by those serious about music. This was NOT occurring in the late 70's and early 80's stuff !!!
(cont) they started the "waiting for a girl like you" and "i want to know what love is" crap they lost their devoted, loyal audience. I guess the artist(s) are faced with big money for a short time, or stay true to their roots....many sadly choose the former !! PS If you think "Sara"-style listeners will remain loyal to a group, buying subsequent releases, you are sadly misguided !!
@Rudemanlan I will NOT dispute the fact "knee deep...." sold a lot. My point is that songs like "we built this city", "nothins gonna stop us now", etc, are "flavor of the month songs. Yes, the public will enjoy them AT THE TIME, but will not stay loyal, soon they are on to something else. This happened to the Cars, with fluff like "you might think", big at the time, but those listeners are soon on to something else. It even occurred with Foreigner. HUGE in the late 70's, when they ...
Great song from the album "LOVE AMONG THE CANNIBALS"(1989). In fact, this song souds like DEF LEPPARD Hysteria era, but anyway it´s a good tune! Long live AOR!
I asked Mickey (Thomas) recently what the hell he meant by "bad is better than the burn", and he replied: Selling fewer records without Paul Kanter and Grace Slick is better than getting "burned" by them on royalties, which DID occurr ! Great meaning, when one thinks about it !
I remember the first time I listened to this album years ago.... I couldn't believe how good it was and I don't understand why it was never popular....
Great oldies, Real rock and Roll song. It makes me sad that this band really fell by the wasteside this album was what my dad made me listen to growing up, it brings back good memories keep jefferson starship alive.
Dont get me wrong....ME ??? I still like the song, but the general public just weren't buying....Night Ranger (remember them ?) were very similar...very catchy songs, but caught in the middle between heavy and light music. When that occurrs, the record-buying fans just arent there !!!
if this had young "prettyboys" in its group, a la Def Leppard, it would have sold TONNAGE. Sad fact is, nobody gave a shit about Mickey Thomas, not the big record-buying public (teens and young adults). What REALLY did this group in? And why was this album virtually ignored? Four, and two years prior to this, they released "We built this city" and "Nothings gonna stop us now". THAT is what did them in. Loyal fans do not stick around after that pap. And thats not opinion...it's fact !!!
"We built this city" is not my thing, but the band did very well out of it, surely? It was a song of its time. Starship/Jef/Airplane span a wide range of styles. Embrace them if you can.
I hear you on the.. lightweight.. nature of this type of song, but even Def Leppard used to be a real rock band when they started.
This is one of my favorites from their 1989 album. It's like Def Leppard and Bryan Adams singing in the background vocals with Starship and lead singer Mickey Thomas when you hear it. That hanging with the guys kind of song singing those big anthemic choruses good and loud! Good song to pair with It's Not Enough.
if this had young "prettyboys" in its group, a la Def Leppard, it would have sold TONNAGE. Sad fact is, nobody gave a shit about Mickey Thomas, not the big record-buying public (teens and young adults). What REALLY did this group in? And why was this album virtually ignored? Four, and two years prior to this, they released "We built this city" and "Nothings gonna stop us now". THAT is what did them in. Loyal fans do not stick around after that pap. And thats not opinion...it's fact !!!
Tremendous group. Great songs!! The vocals are awesome. Up there alongside Journey, Foreigner, Haywire, Loverboy, Toto etc. When I find the right vocalist this is definitely some of the stuff we will be doing!
@adrenalized86 dude how perfect your words are!!!! I always love this song when I heard it first time, it was my mobile ring in 2011 and it'll be in 2012..heh
...except that Mutt Lange didn't produce it. Mike Shipley produced this song and a few others from Starship's album. I am this huge Mike Shipley fan--like anything he has produced or mixed for artists. Shipley produced Def Leppard's Adrenalize album. He's more of a mixer, but you know that intersection like rock sound he does on the Mutt Lange songs for Def Leppard and on his own with other bands and artists! ALways have followed his stuff for years!
Are there any videos of the band playing live the songs from this album? I can't seem to find them anywhere. I would love to see mickey thomas sing these songs live.
if this had young "prettyboys" in its group, a la Def Leppard, it would have sold TONNAGE. Sad fact is, nobody gave a shit about Mickey Thomas, not the big record-buying public (teens and young adults). What REALLY did this group in? And why was this album virtually ignored? Four, and two years prior to this, they released "We built this city" and "Nothings gonna stop us now". THAT is what did them in. Loyal fans do not stick around after that pap. And thats not opinion...it's fact !!!
I'm a fan of this album too. I like this song the best but also like "I'll be there for you". It was used at the end of the movie "Gross Anatomy". The song that is most Def like is "I didn't mean to stay all night" The harmonies are a dead giveaway.
Is bad better than the burn? At this point, I think.. I don't know. I'm both.
deathmachine808 2 weeks ago
Though I do like a few songs on this album, I really missed Grace Slick. This band was never the same for me without her, Grace Slick is and always will be a legend in my eyes.
Herkster69 4 months ago
wow!!!!!!!! this song is so cool...
tobbiasmatos 5 months ago
if i remember correctly, mutt lange only produced a couple of songs on this album, he didnt produce the whole album....point is still taken absolutely....
coldistheshoulder 1 year ago
I love Mickey Thomas. History will look upon him with great admiration.
TheBeautifulbooboo 1 year ago
@Rudemanlan actually, it doesnt suck. Why such defense of such pap ?? Do you hear me slagging the mighty Floyd, or Zep, or the Who, or Steely Dan, or the Eagles ? Fuk U, like really. Go play "we built this city" on your cassette over & over. Or is that an 8-track ?? hahaha
getchasumm 1 year ago
@Rudemanlan try bringing up "we built this city" in serious rock circles.....you'll get laughed out of the room !! That song SINGLEHANDEDLY ruined the Starship. Plus, and I cant wait for you to refute this, many Starship members quit and wanted NO part of that schlock...so fuck off with your 80's "cover" bands !!
getchasumm 1 year ago
@Rudemanlan
Its nice you dispute (not) the fact that a catchy, radio-friendly ditty can RUIN a band sometimes, EVEN IF IT SELLS TONNAGE AT THE TIME. Is it worth it in the long run ?? And those "chicks" you speak of ARE flavor-of-the-month types, who move-on to the next cool thing. AC/DC are a good example of not selling out (like Foreigner or the Cars), and look at their extensive career. Message here ? DONT try to appeal to "the chicks" ! They'll be onto something else in no time flat !!
getchasumm 1 year ago
@Rudemanlan Finally, please dont go on about how long a career they had. Songs like "Jane" and other late 70's/early 80's stuff had SUBSTANCE....fans bought those records for the quality. They werent soley love ballads and pop fluff. Take the time to research how utterly LOATHED a ditty like "we built this city..." is. It is literaly MOCKED by those serious about music. This was NOT occurring in the late 70's and early 80's stuff !!!
getchasumm 1 year ago
(cont) they started the "waiting for a girl like you" and "i want to know what love is" crap they lost their devoted, loyal audience. I guess the artist(s) are faced with big money for a short time, or stay true to their roots....many sadly choose the former !! PS If you think "Sara"-style listeners will remain loyal to a group, buying subsequent releases, you are sadly misguided !!
getchasumm 1 year ago
@Rudemanlan I will NOT dispute the fact "knee deep...." sold a lot. My point is that songs like "we built this city", "nothins gonna stop us now", etc, are "flavor of the month songs. Yes, the public will enjoy them AT THE TIME, but will not stay loyal, soon they are on to something else. This happened to the Cars, with fluff like "you might think", big at the time, but those listeners are soon on to something else. It even occurred with Foreigner. HUGE in the late 70's, when they ...
getchasumm 1 year ago
It sounds like Def or Bon Jovi. However Mutt Lange only produced one song of this album and it wasn't this one.
BoletodecineCom 1 year ago
Lange only produced and arranged one song, it wasn't this one.
BoletodecineCom 1 year ago
Gosh! how awesome is this!!!!! dont exist the full vid from among the cannibals album? somebody can help me?
superocklevel 1 year ago
Starship - The Burn 最高！さいこう！so good!
KENSAMASAN 1 year ago
Starships music, sounds nothing like Def leppord, I like both artists and have all albums
spookysam260583 1 year ago
AMERICAN DREAM
SKATHAROZOUMISS 1 year ago
Great song!!!
maj1986 2 years ago
Great song from the album "LOVE AMONG THE CANNIBALS"(1989). In fact, this song souds like DEF LEPPARD Hysteria era, but anyway it´s a good tune! Long live AOR!
cfmagal 2 years ago
I asked Mickey (Thomas) recently what the hell he meant by "bad is better than the burn", and he replied: Selling fewer records without Paul Kanter and Grace Slick is better than getting "burned" by them on royalties, which DID occurr ! Great meaning, when one thinks about it !
getchasumm 2 years ago
WONDERFUL MUSIC. CONGRATULATIONS
luizbadco1 2 years ago 2
Magic song!
ClassicRockVw 2 years ago 2
Starship did, does and will always rock better than the majority of the garbage out there :P.
UP THE IRONS!
savagegalt 2 years ago 3
I remember the first time I listened to this album years ago.... I couldn't believe how good it was and I don't understand why it was never popular....
misskaz3003 2 years ago 2
Great oldies, Real rock and Roll song. It makes me sad that this band really fell by the wasteside this album was what my dad made me listen to growing up, it brings back good memories keep jefferson starship alive.
bgarvin18 2 years ago
A co writer of this song is Bernie Taupin of Elton John fame!
Rickprice1968 2 years ago
this sounds so much like def leppard
seventhson80 2 years ago 2
Dont get me wrong....ME ??? I still like the song, but the general public just weren't buying....Night Ranger (remember them ?) were very similar...very catchy songs, but caught in the middle between heavy and light music. When that occurrs, the record-buying fans just arent there !!!
getchasumm 3 years ago
if this had young "prettyboys" in its group, a la Def Leppard, it would have sold TONNAGE. Sad fact is, nobody gave a shit about Mickey Thomas, not the big record-buying public (teens and young adults). What REALLY did this group in? And why was this album virtually ignored? Four, and two years prior to this, they released "We built this city" and "Nothings gonna stop us now". THAT is what did them in. Loyal fans do not stick around after that pap. And thats not opinion...it's fact !!!
getchasumm 3 years ago
"We built this city" is not my thing, but the band did very well out of it, surely? It was a song of its time. Starship/Jef/Airplane span a wide range of styles. Embrace them if you can.
I hear you on the.. lightweight.. nature of this type of song, but even Def Leppard used to be a real rock band when they started.
HengistTheGreat 3 years ago
This is one of my favorites from their 1989 album. It's like Def Leppard and Bryan Adams singing in the background vocals with Starship and lead singer Mickey Thomas when you hear it. That hanging with the guys kind of song singing those big anthemic choruses good and loud! Good song to pair with It's Not Enough.
north5880 3 years ago
Say what you will, no one can belt out a rock and roll tune like Mickey Thomas. "Find Your Way Back" and "The Burn" are great examples.
burton48 3 years ago 2
if this had young "prettyboys" in its group, a la Def Leppard, it would have sold TONNAGE. Sad fact is, nobody gave a shit about Mickey Thomas, not the big record-buying public (teens and young adults). What REALLY did this group in? And why was this album virtually ignored? Four, and two years prior to this, they released "We built this city" and "Nothings gonna stop us now". THAT is what did them in. Loyal fans do not stick around after that pap. And thats not opinion...it's fact !!!
getchasumm 3 years ago
I quite like this song even though it DOESS sound like Def lepard!! LOL
CalgarSkull 3 years ago 3
Absolutely agree!
BOOKTRAVEL 3 years ago
Loved this album!
Only have it on LP so I cant play it these days. :-(
Kaizer777 3 years ago 3
Tremendous group. Great songs!! The vocals are awesome. Up there alongside Journey, Foreigner, Haywire, Loverboy, Toto etc. When I find the right vocalist this is definitely some of the stuff we will be doing!
kormo06 3 years ago 2
THIS IS AWESOME .......yes it sounds like Def lepard but it ROX they rocked!! or still do!!
I like it
CalgarSkull 3 years ago 3
Hey!! It's like Bryan Adams and Def Leppard!! AWESOME!!!
adrenalized86 3 years ago 6
@adrenalized86 dude how perfect your words are!!!! I always love this song when I heard it first time, it was my mobile ring in 2011 and it'll be in 2012..heh
superocklevel 1 month ago
it kinda sucks u cant find this album on i tunes, best album ever made.
bgarvin18 3 years ago 2
Same with the Bryan Adams album "Waking Up The Neighbors" from 1991 so so similar to Def Leppard's "Adrenalize". Mutt magic!
adam872007 3 years ago 2
...except that Mutt Lange didn't produce it. Mike Shipley produced this song and a few others from Starship's album. I am this huge Mike Shipley fan--like anything he has produced or mixed for artists. Shipley produced Def Leppard's Adrenalize album. He's more of a mixer, but you know that intersection like rock sound he does on the Mutt Lange songs for Def Leppard and on his own with other bands and artists! ALways have followed his stuff for years!
north5880 3 years ago
Great to listen some of the great tunes of the 80s and 90s.
Music today can´t even come close to sounding good.
Has Starship done anything lately.
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WhiteSandJack 3 years ago
Are there any videos of the band playing live the songs from this album? I can't seem to find them anywhere. I would love to see mickey thomas sing these songs live.
kickersrule84 3 years ago
if this had young "prettyboys" in its group, a la Def Leppard, it would have sold TONNAGE. Sad fact is, nobody gave a shit about Mickey Thomas, not the big record-buying public (teens and young adults). What REALLY did this group in? And why was this album virtually ignored? Four, and two years prior to this, they released "We built this city" and "Nothings gonna stop us now". THAT is what did them in. Loyal fans do not stick around after that pap. And thats not opinion...it's fact !!!
getchasumm 3 years ago
I hear channel 5 is waiting for a documentary voiceover.
Currie01 3 years ago
@Currie01 this is not glam rock, this is AOR!!!
superocklevel 1 month ago
@getchasumm still tru today....nobody gave a shit about this album cuz of the name Starship.....identical song with Leppard woulda been HUGE !!!
getchasumm 1 year ago
Great tune.....I can't believe I never heard of this starship song......great style.
darreno27 3 years ago
It's too bad this album didn't do so well. To be honest with you, it does sound good even w/o Grace Slick.
kyrieeleison1 3 years ago
I'm a fan of this album too. I like this song the best but also like "I'll be there for you". It was used at the end of the movie "Gross Anatomy". The song that is most Def like is "I didn't mean to stay all night" The harmonies are a dead giveaway.
zemmy8 3 years ago
You're right. It does sound like Def. Especially the drums.
thomesocksup 3 years ago
And that's without even mentioning the layered vocals. A Mutt Lange speciality.
Currie01 3 years ago