I hate TONY FAGGOT!! Carbon tax is giving an opporunity to the polluters to move to clean energy. Besides, Australia is not the only one doing carbon tax. China is doing it, lots of other countres are introducinga price on carbon aswell. China is the leader of solar energy in the world so that can put major points to the labour prty! harharhar
ha ha. You actually think that this will help the lower class. Dam you are noting but brainwashed fools. How about you stop watching bias government channels and actually read an economics text book.
@Chrisdt453 Okay, having done that many times whilst receiving my economics degree, i conclude that this will help the lower classes. Any further comments?
@Chrisdt453 Yes, because green energy (without subsidies) will only cost you more dollars, but coal (with or without the current subsidies) will cost you and all the rest of us our lives!!
though i think we need to do something about carbon pollution all this tax does is penalize people who are hard working and earn a good income and then over compensate people on lower income. pretty much just wealth distribution to the poor or non hard working. also 5% is nothing in terms of helping the environment i say tax it min 10% DONT give the money back even to poor families and provide huge subsidies to solar etc and rebates to companies that then cut their emissions.
Companies won't be taxed if they make a heap of money, they get taxed by how much they pollute. If companies want to avoid high taxation, then they will have to invest in solar etc. Money from the taxation really only goes to poor families to cover any heightened living expenses that companies may inflict on consumers. The rest of the money goes into economic recovery from the GFC/other government stuff. In short, it reduces CO2 emissions, protects the poor, and heals the economy.
@ProcrastiKing you dont understand it do you. The problem is companies will pass of the tax just like they did with GST. Consumers will end up paying the cost. Now the government is giving a lot of the money back to families BUT the problem is the way they are doing it means that certain groups will actually receive more money than the tax will cost them. This means that the government is performing wealth distribution. meaning that the successful and paying money directly to the less successful
@coppersn4ke lol what's so bad about that, the gap between rich and poor used to be much smaller... oh no some rich people will have to pay 10 bucks a week... cry me the nile.
@ProcrastiKing companies have minimal reason to cut costs of pollution because the cost of implementing solar equivalents is higher than the potential loss of customers due to a change the the supply demand equilibrium. by not providing solar subsidies and rebates for companies that proceed to cut there emissions the tax achieves nothing. The government has little control over "healing" our economy since we are highly connected to China which is highly connected to US and EU.
@ProcrastiKing our economy is so small in comparison that a billion here a billion there by the government will have no effect. the only reason we got through the GFC was because of the good position of some very sensible bank managers and also that China's demand or resources did not dramatically decrease.
@splendidmate the stimulus package was wasted on TV and other tech increasing the revenue figure of foreign companies therefore in no way helping us maintain OUR position.
putting the money into Australian businesses where the money would actually contribute. Also go have a look at the financial reports of companies like CBA, BHP and Rio Tinto. The Stimulus package was tiny compared to the revenue they brought in. don't believe all the political hype think for yourself.
@coppersn4ke Top economists agree that the stimulus package basically allowed us to ignore the GFC. Of course money was wasted, that's bound to happen whenever money is spent and the opposition was quick to jump in with all their hindsight bias.
Euromoney magazine didn't gave Wayne Swan the best treasurer in the world award for nothing... Furthermore, I appreciated the money and don't see why it should have gone to anyone other than the little bloke.
rorts, cash for clunkers, mining tax, Carbon tax, the stabbing of a current PM in his first term, boat people, immigration, just to name a few yes what a government LOL. A government with the lowest approval rating in history. Yes what a success story. LOL Fattboy26 4 days ago Vote UpVote DownReply o Share o Remove o Flag for spam o Block User o Unblock
And all the while the little piggies with their snouts in the trough grow fatter while the average battler struggles to put food on the table. All in the name of doing jack shit for the environment.
Get a load of the brainwashed sheeple cheering in this joke tax. Do you not understand it will do nothing for the environment? Do you not understand it will make just about EVERYTHING more expensive for the average citizen? Can you not see it is already making fraudsters like Al Gore even more filthy rich than they already are? Wake up and stop being so gullible, start thinking for yourselves.
Fatboy, it is not about pollution, you retard. It is about the build up of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, one of the four major gasses which contribute towards the greenhouse effect. Ice core data going back 800,000 years shows carbon dioxide has ranged from 180 parts per million up to 270 parts per million at the pre-industrial stage of the human civilisation. It is currently 389 ppm and rose from 316ppm in 1960 so it is increasing rapidly.
@Zvim666 Correct. Just ignore Fatboy. He obviously doesnt understand the issue, and is simply concerned about his own wallet.
He probably gets all his "facts" from the Murdock press, or Alan Jones shock jocks. You only have to look at the agressive, arrogant responses to see that
Yes just ignore me. Seeing as I have research the issue and supplied relevant number of which your only come is I watch Murdoch and Jones of whom I do not. Man what a REBUTTAL. BAAAA BAAAA. Yes when dealing with sheep that are easily cowered by the boogeyman one needs to be a lil aggressive. Because you have trouble with facts.
No its not about pollution because Co2 is not a pollutant I already said that dimwit or was your head up you ass waiting for the sky to fall in?
Co2 levels are 0.038% of which we humans contribute 3% to that. The climate has cooled slightly over the last decade. Co2 did not cause the previous warming periods that were much warming in the age of the dinosaurs and middle ages. Mate its a NON problem.
Nature produces 97% of Co2. We human produces 3%. Australia 0.05%. Co2 is NOT a pollutant. A tax will not change the environment by 1 degree. So don't worry the world has been humming along for 4 billion years. It will keep humming along no matter what tax we have. Its ok you have been duped by scaremonger and guilt trip but its ok. Its bullshit.
I have done my research I strongly suggest you do yours.
Mate we have had warming periods before much warmer than today. And humans played no part in it. This tax will change nothing not one degree your are being duped.
The world has been humming along for 4 billion years and will remain so. With or without a tax. Do think humans can change that is ego.
In fact its not warming that is a problem its when the world cools more people died from cooling than warming. You do some research
@Fattboy26 "we have had warming periods before much warmer than today"
Correct. These periods took thousands of years to increase, so slowly that life adapted and changed to the environment. The current increase is over 200 years. Look at a graph. This does not give time for natural adaption. THAT is the difference.
Again the world has heated up slightly and has started to cool down. So what. And no tax will change that. The world will do what the world will do and if you think man can change nature then you my friend are deluded. Just what a government that wants to impose a new tax needs. Sheep Baaa Baaa. Every model the IPCC puts out is wrong but hey still believe them. LOL
Yeah one has to love the change in name but sheep like you will believe anything. First it was called GLOBAL WARMING the world was heating up and it was URGENT but funny enough the world was not heating up and even slightly cool then they changed the name to CLIMATE CHANGE and sheep like you said yes that must be it. Like yesterday was colder than the day before and today is warm so it is changing. You are a being duped.
@dragonpuppy9 yes as of 2014 the voting system is going to be replaced with videos of candidates next to a like/dislike button. early polling suggests videos of cats lead with 99% of the vote.
This video, as awesome as it is, is not a serious thing, this is not a place to discuss politics, for everybody else who intends to comment here are some responses i recommend. LOL, lol, haha, so funny, HAHA!!! and nice work.
Typical leftie communist take. So average income earners do not want to be taxed by this pathetic excuse of a government so the lefties insult them. No prob lefties why you get a job and pay the fukin tax yourselves seeing as your so much for it. But no alas the leftie who is usually so generous with other peoples money is usually very mean hearted with his/her own.
Well I like many others are average income earners are bleating about it and with good right. This is a bullshit tax for bullshit reasons brought in by a Government that specifically stated that it would not bring it in. To be fair this tax should be voluntary those who want to pay and those that do not.
@Fattboy26 unless you own one of australias 500 biggest polluting businesses, you don't have to worry about paying the carbon tax. because they are the only ones who it is for.
Once you go over the 50 company mark then you are going to medium to moderate companies. And where do you think they will off set the cost for this tax?
@Fattboy26 I was just correcting your statement about paying the tax yourself. As for the economic impacts, I'm no expert, and from what I understand when it comes to economics even the experts can't really tell you what's going to happen. But the companies that choose to green up will have a cheaper product and basic supply and demand says that other companies will have to do the same to compete. Let markets solve a problem they created, sounds good to me.
Once you tax 500 companies you are hitting all Australians with extra cost. And when the so called experts including the government does not know well then sorry most Australian won't tolerate the tax. I agree lets the free market work.
@Fattboy26 That's why half of the money raised by the carbon tax is being given back to households. It might sound like it's going in a circle, but basically it lets market forces clean up the industries without hurting regular Australians. Nobody in economics ever knows for sure what's going to happen. They might claim they do, but that's a lie. If they did, we wouldn't have had the gfc, nor any other major recession or depression.
Here is a better idea. DON'T have the tax. That way household can keep all their money. Its a BULLSHIT tax for a BULLSHIT reason.
If you want greener energy allow the free market to make things cheaper so people will be able to afford them.
You don't seem to understand your argument either a tax that few Australians want or voted for or allow the free market to work. And if a government wants to implement a tax then they should know how its going to work.
@Fattboy26 Without the tax there is nothing to drive a move to cleaner industries. I can't be bothered continuing this discussion, the last person who I discussed this with in these comments ended up sending me death threats, plus I have exams to study for which will be far more beneficial than trying to convince somebody about something they've already made their mind up on.
your just another fucking idiot who should be taken out bush and tortured with a hot poker, burn some fucking sense into you ya stupid fucking cocksucking faggot..
Seeing as the government does not know how much it will affect the average consumer or if/when the tax rises I would say you are making an assumption.
@Fattboy26 No, no, you don't get it! What's being 'mocked' by this is more the very idea that the average person will be paying this tax, because, newsflash: they wont!
@Fattboy26 The only lies are everything you just posted. It's not my fault if you don't understand basic Treasury modelling figures and frankly I can't be bothered to bring you up to speed. You want to take the campaign lines of a leader and a political party that would trash this country? Be my guest. The majority of the Australian people wont sit back & take it though.
No I don't lie. It was not me that lied about a carbon tax that was the government. Its not me that is lying pretending a tax can help the environment when it won't. Its not me claiming Co2 is a pollutant which its not. And its not me pretending how the tax will work when very few people know how. But I do know how business works and how they will offset the cost of any tax to the consumer. And how come I am not surprised you cannot bring me up to speed. Lacking detail.
Which leader and party is going to trash the nation. So far that would be the present one that has lied to the people, has had one failed policy after another has created a 140 billion dollar deficit.
You are right the majority of Australian won't sit back and take it that is why this government and its tax will be voted out next election.
@Fattboy26 The Liberal party slogans about economics don't look intelligent on you hon. I have to wonder what you don't understand about the current poll recovery the Government is undergoing, so early, two years out from the election... Tony Abbott will never, ever, be Prime Minister. Ever.
Mate the Rudd/Gillard government have about as much chance of being voted in as you fucking the Queen. For you to think this government will be re elected shows you have a tenuous grip in reality. So you have to forgive me if you don't take your predictions about the tax that seriously. All the best mad hatter.
@Fattboy26 You clearly haven't been paying attention to the poll recovery the Gillard Government has been undergoing then. A few more points recovery and the Labor party is in an outright winning position. Take that.
Hahahahah. I could be in a coma and I doubt the Labor party could win. Which part of your arse did you find this poll? As for taking that I don't think I will. Labor will be voted out in a landslide.
Yes you fuckin leftie fascist you would love to take away peoples voting rights. But don't worry this tax like the government that introduced are finished. LOL
As for breeding your mother should have swallowed when she conceived you.
I wonder, how many of you arguing here actually have majors in finance or climate science?
It would probably be for the best if you'd all calm down and defer to the experts on this matter, such as the CSIRO or the Productivity commission.
They've dedicated their lives to understanding science and the impacts of public and fiscal policy on GDP growth. I'm sure they understand this tax and the impacts of it far better than you couch-potato theorists.
@lobboblob The religion of "growth" is part of the problems we all face over the coming decades as world population reaches it's peak. Time for triple-bottom-line accounting and Gross National Happiness Index.
If our focus is always on "growth" then we're going to have some very hard times when population begins to decline as limited resources are consumed.
@lobboblob yes.. go back to bed australia, your government is in control again. Here! Here's American gladiators, watch this, shut up…Here is 56 channels of it, watch these pictionary retards bang their fuckin` skulls together & congratulate you on living in the land of freedom.
1. It needs to be low enough that it sits within traditional fluctuation levels and won't affect temperature more than we would expect naturally.
2. When it reached high enough levels to increase global temperatures (so a while ago). Climate science has been saying this is going since the 70s at least. Get a clue please.
3. Natural fluctuations, this man made increase is exponentially greater and will have irreperable effects even if we reduced emmissions to nothing right now.
You are a DRONE. I see you cannot answer any relevant question in any detail. If you and other leftwing idiots feel so strongly about this tax then pay it you fukin yourselves. Or otherwise provide evidence to back you argument. As for the guilt trip or scare mongering shove it up your ass.
Oh yeah, and nice namecalling, enjoy your shitkicker job reading your gross tabloid newspaper while smarter, richer and all around better people than you put through taxes on things you can't even begin to fathom. To be completely honest the best thing about this tax isn't that it helps deal with a world changing problem, it's that it upsets people like you :)
Yeah well when dealing with pseudo intellects such as yourself I don't really have that much tolerance. I still see you have provided nothing in evidence to support any of your claims. Cannot say I am surprised. Hmmm wonder who these SMART people are I hope you are not including yourself in that group. You belong to the sheep.
Right so the best thing about this tax is it makes you feel good because it upsets me? See as I said you are more about feeling good than doing any good
4. Those first numbers are absurd, so I'll ignore them. In regards to how our contribution will help: we have one of the highest emmissions levels per capita, if not the highest, so there's that. Second, do you want to be able to say to your kids and grandkids "oh we knew it was happening we just didn't think it mattered because China wasn't helping"? (Which is a lie anyway, China is actually making quite a large effort considering its size and status as a developing nation).
ABSURD? How are they absurd? Can you and will you tell me why those figures that can be verified are absurd?
I will tell you what is ABSURD. Paying a tax based on a lie that will have no effect on the environment whatsoever. Now that is ABSURD. So I can understand why you would IGNORE those figures. That is the problem with people like you you cannot tolerate any details that ruin your feel good dream.
By absurd I mean they're wrong. They are incorrect. People have either made them up, falsified them or more likely quoted them in some ridiculous context to further their own agenda (if it wasn't clear their agenda is to make money). The irony is you're ignoring so many reports and figures that have been reported for the last 40 years to form your "climate change is irrelevant" argument. I can only hope you forget to vote next election.
REALLY can you prove they are wrong? Of course when anyone disagrees with your FEEL GOOD trip they must be LIARS with an AGENDA and belong to a NEO CONSPIRACY who want to take over the world. I see again you prove little in detail to disprove my argument. How come I am not surprised. Problem is leftist rarely provide any evidence to back their arguments usually relying on feel good emotion that do nothing for anyone or anything other than making them feel good about themselves.
I see you have provide NOTHING in regard to any detail to back you argument. So why should I take you seriously when you cannot refute my argument and bring nothing to the table except a guilt trip based on a lie? I suggest you get a clue you and start thinking for yourself you sheep BAAA BAAA.
Tell me how 0.038% of Co2 of which we humans contribute 3% is going to change with a tax moron? Comn champ simple question.
OK. Three points: you're obviously not a liar, just misinformed and beligerant. This isn't an attack against you, it's an attack against the people that willfully misinformed you. It's not a conspiracy, far from it, it's simple fact that companies stand to lose a lot of money if the real cost of their flagrant disregard for the environment by pumping all this extra CO2 into the atmosphere is accounted for. It's in their best interest to continue to do it and tell you that you want to
No I am not a liar nor MISinformed I wish I could say the same about you but I am not disingenuous. As for belligerence I only reserve that for idiotic sheep who respond to reasonable questions such as the original add with scorn and insults and put downs. So take as much offence as you want. If you give it out you better be prepared to take it back.I provided evidence to support my argument where so far you have provided NOTHING. So either put up or piss off.
I suggest you level that critism at yourself. You have provided no evidence to refute me. As for uneducated and misinformed take a hard look at yourself. Baaaa Baaaa.
Not surprising that you would resort to calling me a "sheep". I'm sure it seems like everybody is wrong but you. Well, you and Andrew Bolt. It will probably be hard for you to ever change your opinion, especially after tyrades like these.
But this isn't a matter of opinion.
I can't just deny the existance of gravity or friction or nuclear fission. But for some reason the science behind this is obviously wrong. I can't follow your logic, and it's quite obvious you can't follow mine.
Finally, in regards to how the tax will reduce emmissions, it's quite simple. Companies work on a per cost basis (I assume you understand how that all works). If you make the price of polluting more expensive other, subsidised alternatives, like renewable energy sources in this case, suddenly become the prudent option for the business. Less carbon is then produced and less damage is done to our environment.
I'm not surprised you couldn't figure that one out.
In regard in how the tax works you obviously never really been out in the real world. Still live with mummy and daddy. Straight to Uni after school? See when you hit a company big, medium or small company with a tax what that company usually does is offset the cost to the consumer. That means me and you opps your mummy and daddy will pay more for basic services. Oh Einstein we need Co2 to survive. Without it we would have no life. Plants need it.
Really so you think 0.038% of Co2 is to much? What is the right amount mate? Seeing as humans contribute 3% to the total Co2 in the atmosphere with nature producing the rest then why should we seel alternative energy.
If you are looking for cheaper then coal is it green energy is not only expensive but cannot take the base load electricity.
Please my friend do some research you are being duped
I dont care about expense, I care about the planet..
"3%"
yeah, 3% doesnt sound like much. Turn your air con up 3%. Add 3% salt to your fiish tank. Increase the ocean depth by 3%. You obviously dont know anything about the fine balance of nature and everything about your bank balance
There are those that care about me, and those that care about us..
Right after you tell your kids what a fukin dimwit you are but I am sure they will figure that out soon enough.
Next time the government wants a new tax for the boogeyman you will fall for it. Mate you are simpleminded.
Co2 makes up 0.038% of the atmosphere. When does that become a problem? We have had higher levels of Co2 before and the result is and increase in plant life. Can you tell me what the harm is in that?
Solar still cannot manage base load electricity. Look I am all for cleaner and better energy but this tax will do nothing for that. Allow the free market forces to do this. This tax is only an excuse from a dishonest government. It will only hurt the small person at the end. By that time that bitch will be out of office.
@Fattboy26 Of course and all its about is solar. Nothing like a free ride is thier, free health care, free education shit us tax payers even pay for mindless slobs to sit on there arse getting the dole every week. This "FREE MARKET" has had years to do something about it. To do the right thing all the while polluting the air my children breathe for FREE and making billions out of it. If you can't afford $10 a week to make the world a cleaner place then I suspect you'r the dole bludger I pay for
What the fuck are you talking about? Sure if solar could take base load electricity and cheaper than coal I am all for it. But it cannot at the time.
This free market is reason why you are working. Its the reason you enjoy a living standard in Australia that other nations can only envy. Its not the free markets fault that we do not have solar. If you don't like any pollution then do not use any electricity. No TV, no lights, no computer where you write dumb shit, no car nothing.
@Fattboy26 You sit there sprouting solar is it, thats the only way to have clean energy.
Oh and thanks for the run down of the appliances I am unable to use due to the fact I don't want to polute the environment any more. If it wasn't for my solar system and wind turbine I might have turned my computer off before I recieved your pitiful reply. Fact is THE FREE MARKET you hold on a pedestal is only interested in PROFIT. There is no incentive for corperations to invest in clean technology.
Listen are you drunk? Or are you always this dumb? There is not only Solar there is Nuclear, Water Wave technology, Wind. But they cannot cope with base load electricity. They might in the future I hope they do. But not now.
Yes of course the free market is interested in profit. Moron. I run a business myself and you need to make a profit to have a business. But the free market will be the driving force to make alternative energy cheaper for he average consumer.
The incentive is making money. That is why nations with Free Markets have a higher standard of living than other nations. That is a fact. If you do not like it move to North Korea or Cuba. Slugging the average tax payer with a tax that will not change the climate by 1 degree is not the answer. Co2 is NOT a problem. Don't worry about it worry about you low iq.
@Fattboy26 The incentive is making money THE QUICKEST and CHEAPEST POSSIBLE WAY and fuck the consequences. Currently it is cheaper to dig a big hole in the ground and burn what you find. Fuck the consequences. Now how do you propose to make it cheaper to invest in wind, solar, geo thermal, tidal and wave energies. Nah fuck it let the free market take care of it I'm going to vote Liberal.
Again coal is the cheapest energy available. If you child goes to a hospital and needs an operation do you want constant safe power or intermittent power say from solar that is not reliable? Poorer people around the world depend on cheap energy for survival and development as they develop and science find new and better energy the free market is the driving force that can make this happen. You do seem to know what you are arguing about. Free Market or pollution. Yes your IQ is low.
@Fattboy26 (2) make dirty energy more expensive than clean and what do you know the FREE MARKET will start to pour money in. The free market isn't interested in right and wrong only money money money. The only way to force big polutters to invest the right way is to make it less economical to invest the wrong way. They are not going to do it by themselves, its all to hard, so we will continue on this never ending roundabout with nothing done.
No making electricity more expensive for lower income earners is not the answer. Making alternate energy cheaper and able to take base load is the answer. And the free market is the driving force that can do that. What do I know about Free Market? I own a business and need to make a profit. To do that I need to run a tight ship. The tax payer does not subsidies me. I need to be competitive in the market place competing with other businesses.
Businesses are there to make money are provide a service not create morality. Whatever school you went to failed you. The way to make big business change is to make economic incentives to create a market that is accessible to most people. Not slug people with a tax that will do nothing for the climate. Look I do not understand your argument are you upset with Co2 or Free Market? You seem to be all over the place.
@Fattboy26 you said "Businesses are there to make money are provide a service not create morality" hahahahahaha
Exactly my point idiot and my school failed me hahahahahaha
So who in your wonderfully educated opinion is there left to create morality??? Who is left to create the incentive to do the right thing and not the cheapest dirtiest thing???. Think back to your wonderful education. Do you know who it is??? I will leave you to ponder and await your educated reply
I think you need to calm down and let your brain have time to think. Businesses are about making money. I took it for granted that even you understood that but it looks like I am wrong.
What is the problem? I own a business but its not my job to talk to you about morality that is personal.
Once Solar, wind or water is cheaper for the average consumer then coal will be a thing of the past. Till then we need energy.
@Fattboy26 ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID???? I never said bussineses shouldn't make money. I did in fact say COAL at the moment was the cheapest form of enegy. MY point is the only way BUSINESS is going to do the moral thing is to make coal less attractive for future investment. Business won't do that on there own that would be like giving your Nan back the $10 chrismas card just so you don't have to kiss her. They need and incentive and your wonderfully educated brain cant come up with a better 1
No I am not stupid but I suspect you are. You seem to have a problem with free market. That means people that own businesses whether big or small that need to make a profit for survive. To make a profit you need to supply the comsumer with a product or service that is either cheaper or superior to your competitors. Socialism is a failed system that costs alot of money and does not increase incentive or production. Socialist states are failed states look not further than Cuba.
@Fattboy26 I have a problem with idiots such as you who think they have all the answers when really they have none. Idiots who hold the free market up on a pedestal when really its all about greed. I too own a business I too make money from supplying goods at profit and employ 37 people to do that for me. However I believe that with the making of money comes a cost and pumping endless amounts of pollution into the air for FREE should not be tollerated and there should be a finacial cost involved
No my friend I do not have all the answers. I just do research and I am not easily swayed by scare mongering. When one learns to think for oneself its hard to fool. Try it it won't hurt.
Right you own a business then welcome to the free market. Because you are part of it. You need to make a profit to survive. That is after you pay your staff and overheads. Or otherwise what would be the point.
You do know that Co2 is not a pollutant? How old are you again?
If you take away coal millions of people will have no power in the world. Many will die and suffer. Poor people cannot afford solar or wind. Till poor people can develop or when a cheaper cleaner alternative is found then coal is it.
This tax will do NOTHING for the environment. Its a lie that only stupid people like yourself fall for. Think.
On a personal note how old are you? What do you do?
@Fattboy26 Fuck you with the personal note bull shit. You stupid fucking Abbott shill
THIS IS NOT A POOR COUNTRY THIS DEBATE DOESNT EFFECT THE POOR IN AFRICA OR KOREA.
THINK how about YOU THINK. All you Abbott lovers believe buying a few tress and paying farmers for carbon abatement is the way to go. Sure and we will use tax payers money to fund it, what a great idea. So while we polute more the bill gets bigger which means either taxes go up or services get underfunded.
Abbott shill? So mate what is your problem? Co2 which is not a pollutant. Free Market which creates wealth and give you a standard of living that no other system can match? Or Tony Abbott? You seem to be very angry and your arguments is all over the place.
There are people here who would find it very hard to pay more for basic utilities and I do not believe slugging them to fund a tax based on a lie by a government that lies that will do nothing for the climate is the way to go.
ned flanders at 0:11?
CLANv0id 2 days ago
Calm down skeeter, they aint hurtin nobody.
connersbra 1 week ago
LOLL
stephz0r 2 weeks ago
Ahahahahah best thing ever.
findmycauldron 2 weeks ago
Best thing I've ever seen.
AwkwardFushy 2 weeks ago
this is classic! saw this on gruen planet, loved it :)
MegaElementos 3 weeks ago
they should have used this on the ad hahahaah
noobyouall 3 weeks ago
I hate TONY FAGGOT!! Carbon tax is giving an opporunity to the polluters to move to clean energy. Besides, Australia is not the only one doing carbon tax. China is doing it, lots of other countres are introducinga price on carbon aswell. China is the leader of solar energy in the world so that can put major points to the labour prty! harharhar
ebruc16 1 month ago
@ebruc16 ALP is finished sweety (;
Chrisdt453 3 weeks ago
Thumbs up if you got this from Gruen Transfer/Planet.
LOLStudiosAU 1 month ago
I still can't get enough of this XD
TheTrooper424 1 month ago
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andersonc95 1 month ago
@andersonc95 DEY TURK YER JEEERB :-)
DavidTangye 1 week ago
ha ha. You actually think that this will help the lower class. Dam you are noting but brainwashed fools. How about you stop watching bias government channels and actually read an economics text book.
Chrisdt453 1 month ago
@Chrisdt453 Okay, having done that many times whilst receiving my economics degree, i conclude that this will help the lower classes. Any further comments?
ryanthesound 1 month ago
@ryanthesound so green energy will be more affordable than coal?
Chrisdt453 1 month ago
@Chrisdt453 Yes, because green energy (without subsidies) will only cost you more dollars, but coal (with or without the current subsidies) will cost you and all the rest of us our lives!!
DavidTangye 1 week ago
@DavidTangye stuff public grid (or privatised). I'm creating my own energy and the gov can shove their carbon tax up their big controlling arse.
Chrisdt453 1 week ago
though i think we need to do something about carbon pollution all this tax does is penalize people who are hard working and earn a good income and then over compensate people on lower income. pretty much just wealth distribution to the poor or non hard working. also 5% is nothing in terms of helping the environment i say tax it min 10% DONT give the money back even to poor families and provide huge subsidies to solar etc and rebates to companies that then cut their emissions.
coppersn4ke 2 months ago
@coppersn4ke
Companies won't be taxed if they make a heap of money, they get taxed by how much they pollute. If companies want to avoid high taxation, then they will have to invest in solar etc. Money from the taxation really only goes to poor families to cover any heightened living expenses that companies may inflict on consumers. The rest of the money goes into economic recovery from the GFC/other government stuff. In short, it reduces CO2 emissions, protects the poor, and heals the economy.
ProcrastiKing 2 months ago
@ProcrastiKing you dont understand it do you. The problem is companies will pass of the tax just like they did with GST. Consumers will end up paying the cost. Now the government is giving a lot of the money back to families BUT the problem is the way they are doing it means that certain groups will actually receive more money than the tax will cost them. This means that the government is performing wealth distribution. meaning that the successful and paying money directly to the less successful
coppersn4ke 2 months ago
@coppersn4ke Who introduced the GST again?
Spunkalish 2 months ago
@Spunkalish Howard and your point is? when i say "they" im referring to politicians not the labor v liberal debate.
coppersn4ke 2 months ago
@coppersn4ke Gotcha. I'm neither a Liberal or Labor supporter, by the way. Carry on!
Spunkalish 2 months ago
@coppersn4ke lol what's so bad about that, the gap between rich and poor used to be much smaller... oh no some rich people will have to pay 10 bucks a week... cry me the nile.
splendidmate 1 month ago
@ProcrastiKing companies have minimal reason to cut costs of pollution because the cost of implementing solar equivalents is higher than the potential loss of customers due to a change the the supply demand equilibrium. by not providing solar subsidies and rebates for companies that proceed to cut there emissions the tax achieves nothing. The government has little control over "healing" our economy since we are highly connected to China which is highly connected to US and EU.
coppersn4ke 2 months ago
@ProcrastiKing our economy is so small in comparison that a billion here a billion there by the government will have no effect. the only reason we got through the GFC was because of the good position of some very sensible bank managers and also that China's demand or resources did not dramatically decrease.
coppersn4ke 2 months ago
@coppersn4ke and the stimulus package.
splendidmate 1 month ago
@splendidmate the stimulus package was wasted on TV and other tech increasing the revenue figure of foreign companies therefore in no way helping us maintain OUR position.
putting the money into Australian businesses where the money would actually contribute. Also go have a look at the financial reports of companies like CBA, BHP and Rio Tinto. The Stimulus package was tiny compared to the revenue they brought in. don't believe all the political hype think for yourself.
coppersn4ke 1 month ago
@coppersn4ke Top economists agree that the stimulus package basically allowed us to ignore the GFC. Of course money was wasted, that's bound to happen whenever money is spent and the opposition was quick to jump in with all their hindsight bias.
Euromoney magazine didn't gave Wayne Swan the best treasurer in the world award for nothing... Furthermore, I appreciated the money and don't see why it should have gone to anyone other than the little bloke.
splendidmate 1 month ago
Durka DURRRRR.
Flipvapor 2 months ago
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyypopooooooooooooo
XXfattmanXX 2 months ago
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XXfattmanXX 2 months ago 2
And all the while the little piggies with their snouts in the trough grow fatter while the average battler struggles to put food on the table. All in the name of doing jack shit for the environment.
GeoNeo73 2 months ago
@3133123
Fatboy is not greedy he just does not like being scammed. You obviously love it. Can't you see its one massive con?
GeoNeo73 2 months ago
Get a load of the brainwashed sheeple cheering in this joke tax. Do you not understand it will do nothing for the environment? Do you not understand it will make just about EVERYTHING more expensive for the average citizen? Can you not see it is already making fraudsters like Al Gore even more filthy rich than they already are? Wake up and stop being so gullible, start thinking for yourselves.
GeoNeo73 2 months ago
@GeoNeo73
Asking these sheep to think for themselves is like moving a mountain.
Fattboy26 2 months ago
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of this when I saw the ad!
ROFlyoshi 2 months ago
Fatboy, it is not about pollution, you retard. It is about the build up of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, one of the four major gasses which contribute towards the greenhouse effect. Ice core data going back 800,000 years shows carbon dioxide has ranged from 180 parts per million up to 270 parts per million at the pre-industrial stage of the human civilisation. It is currently 389 ppm and rose from 316ppm in 1960 so it is increasing rapidly.
Zvim666 2 months ago
@Zvim666 Correct. Just ignore Fatboy. He obviously doesnt understand the issue, and is simply concerned about his own wallet.
He probably gets all his "facts" from the Murdock press, or Alan Jones shock jocks. You only have to look at the agressive, arrogant responses to see that
podoau 2 months ago
@podoau
Yes just ignore me. Seeing as I have research the issue and supplied relevant number of which your only come is I watch Murdoch and Jones of whom I do not. Man what a REBUTTAL. BAAAA BAAAA. Yes when dealing with sheep that are easily cowered by the boogeyman one needs to be a lil aggressive. Because you have trouble with facts.
Fattboy26 2 months ago
@Zvim666
No its not about pollution because Co2 is not a pollutant I already said that dimwit or was your head up you ass waiting for the sky to fall in?
Co2 levels are 0.038% of which we humans contribute 3% to that. The climate has cooled slightly over the last decade. Co2 did not cause the previous warming periods that were much warming in the age of the dinosaurs and middle ages. Mate its a NON problem.
Fattboy26 2 months ago
0:20 they took my jooob !!
IsDucasse 2 months ago
@The420Community
Nature produces 97% of Co2. We human produces 3%. Australia 0.05%. Co2 is NOT a pollutant. A tax will not change the environment by 1 degree. So don't worry the world has been humming along for 4 billion years. It will keep humming along no matter what tax we have. Its ok you have been duped by scaremonger and guilt trip but its ok. Its bullshit.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@Fattboy26 "Co2 is NOT a pollutant""
Its not about what is a pollutant, and everyting about how much..
Shall we increase the mean temperature of the planet by 3% ?? Lets see how that works out
"the world has been humming along for 4 billion years"
Humans have been pumping crap into it for 300 years, and the environment has been changing RAPIDLY during that period
Do some real research
podoau 2 months ago
@podoau
I have done my research I strongly suggest you do yours.
Mate we have had warming periods before much warmer than today. And humans played no part in it. This tax will change nothing not one degree your are being duped.
The world has been humming along for 4 billion years and will remain so. With or without a tax. Do think humans can change that is ego.
In fact its not warming that is a problem its when the world cools more people died from cooling than warming. You do some research
Fattboy26 2 months ago
@Fattboy26 "we have had warming periods before much warmer than today"
Correct. These periods took thousands of years to increase, so slowly that life adapted and changed to the environment. The current increase is over 200 years. Look at a graph. This does not give time for natural adaption. THAT is the difference.
podoau 2 months ago
@podoau
Again the world has heated up slightly and has started to cool down. So what. And no tax will change that. The world will do what the world will do and if you think man can change nature then you my friend are deluded. Just what a government that wants to impose a new tax needs. Sheep Baaa Baaa. Every model the IPCC puts out is wrong but hey still believe them. LOL
Fattboy26 2 months ago
@Fattboy26 "In fact its not warming that is a problem its when the world cools more people died from cooling than warming"
Thats why its called Climate CHANGE.
podoau 2 months ago
@podoau
Yeah one has to love the change in name but sheep like you will believe anything. First it was called GLOBAL WARMING the world was heating up and it was URGENT but funny enough the world was not heating up and even slightly cool then they changed the name to CLIMATE CHANGE and sheep like you said yes that must be it. Like yesterday was colder than the day before and today is warm so it is changing. You are a being duped.
Fattboy26 2 months ago
I know the 'durka dur' sound effects are from South Park, but could you please tell me where you downloaded them from?
micksterzee 3 months ago
csiro or alan jones mmm....
Bunyipz 3 months ago
they should so replace the current one with this XD
DoctorFragnito 3 months ago
Bitch
TheGoregac2325 3 months ago
Wow look at this little birch Sesh lol how bout u all jump off YouTube and go and get a real job
TheGoregac2325 3 months ago
10/10
XoxoNadoXoxo 3 months ago
having probably watched thousands of youtube videos over the past few years, this clip has the best comments ive ever seen
@marsglorious couldnt agree more
@fashs made me lol
@lobboblob well said champ :D
saklav86 3 months ago
This is what happens to you if you listen to 2GB radio and read the Australian too often.
marsglorious 3 months ago 24
@marsglorious sounds like the facts are hard to face eh.....
breadbaker226 3 months ago
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@marsglorious "This is what happens to you if you listen to 2GB radio and read the Australian too often.""
Or any Murdock paper
podoau 2 months ago
Bloody cats!!!!
tmkg84 3 months ago
do any of you fucking nerds really think you're gonna change the world argueing over youtube?
dragonpuppy9 3 months ago
@dragonpuppy9 yes as of 2014 the voting system is going to be replaced with videos of candidates next to a like/dislike button. early polling suggests videos of cats lead with 99% of the vote.
yourastupidface 3 months ago 4
@dragonpuppy9
Are you dumb enough to think anybody expects that to happen?
KnightTemplar108 3 months ago
The carbon tax made it through the senate. Time to party everybody.
yourastupidface 3 months ago 4
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special Olympics, even if you win your still f**king retarded.
fashs 3 months ago 12
This video, as awesome as it is, is not a serious thing, this is not a place to discuss politics, for everybody else who intends to comment here are some responses i recommend. LOL, lol, haha, so funny, HAHA!!! and nice work.
TheGodOfTheCows 3 months ago
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahhaha
MoreAnonymous 3 months ago
LOL ITS SO FUNNY
THATguyLOZA 3 months ago in playlist THATguyLOZA's favorites
lol
somethingsomething59 3 months ago
Meanwhile, BHP prepares to invest $4.2 billion in a coal project in Qld.
DeafFret 3 months ago
Typical leftie communist take. So average income earners do not want to be taxed by this pathetic excuse of a government so the lefties insult them. No prob lefties why you get a job and pay the fukin tax yourselves seeing as your so much for it. But no alas the leftie who is usually so generous with other peoples money is usually very mean hearted with his/her own.
Fattboy26 4 months ago
@Fattboy26 FWIW, I am an average income earner, and will be paying the tax, but I'm not bleating like a wounded sheep about it.
Leftie communists? Sounds like McBain "Under attack by commie nazis!" :P
Thurbane316 4 months ago
@Thurbane316
Well I like many others are average income earners are bleating about it and with good right. This is a bullshit tax for bullshit reasons brought in by a Government that specifically stated that it would not bring it in. To be fair this tax should be voluntary those who want to pay and those that do not.
Fattboy26 4 months ago
@Fattboy26 unless you own one of australias 500 biggest polluting businesses, you don't have to worry about paying the carbon tax. because they are the only ones who it is for.
yourastupidface 3 months ago
@yourastupidface
Do you actually work or are you still at Uni?
Once you go over the 50 company mark then you are going to medium to moderate companies. And where do you think they will off set the cost for this tax?
The consumer thats where.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@Fattboy26 I was just correcting your statement about paying the tax yourself. As for the economic impacts, I'm no expert, and from what I understand when it comes to economics even the experts can't really tell you what's going to happen. But the companies that choose to green up will have a cheaper product and basic supply and demand says that other companies will have to do the same to compete. Let markets solve a problem they created, sounds good to me.
yourastupidface 3 months ago
@yourastupidface
Once you tax 500 companies you are hitting all Australians with extra cost. And when the so called experts including the government does not know well then sorry most Australian won't tolerate the tax. I agree lets the free market work.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@Fattboy26 That's why half of the money raised by the carbon tax is being given back to households. It might sound like it's going in a circle, but basically it lets market forces clean up the industries without hurting regular Australians. Nobody in economics ever knows for sure what's going to happen. They might claim they do, but that's a lie. If they did, we wouldn't have had the gfc, nor any other major recession or depression.
yourastupidface 3 months ago
@yourastupidface
Here is a better idea. DON'T have the tax. That way household can keep all their money. Its a BULLSHIT tax for a BULLSHIT reason.
If you want greener energy allow the free market to make things cheaper so people will be able to afford them.
You don't seem to understand your argument either a tax that few Australians want or voted for or allow the free market to work. And if a government wants to implement a tax then they should know how its going to work.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@Fattboy26 Without the tax there is nothing to drive a move to cleaner industries. I can't be bothered continuing this discussion, the last person who I discussed this with in these comments ended up sending me death threats, plus I have exams to study for which will be far more beneficial than trying to convince somebody about something they've already made their mind up on.
Good day to you sir.
yourastupidface 3 months ago
@yourastupidface
death threat my fuckin' arse, it was a promise..
besides, you deserve it you gutless little cunt, fuckin' stupid llittle college boy, get back to your studies and sucking your professors cock...
stuffmohammed 3 months ago
@stuffmohammed hahahahhhahahah still a shit cunt with no life
ohyeahhoneysheband 3 months ago
@ohyeahhoneysheband
your just another fucking idiot who should be taken out bush and tortured with a hot poker, burn some fucking sense into you ya stupid fucking cocksucking faggot..
stuffmohammed 3 months ago
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@stuffmohammed You're just angry that you have no friends
ohyeahhoneysheband 3 months ago
@ohyeahhoneysheband
thats the best you can do ?
you cant even troll ya stupid fuck, do the world a favour, piss off and die.
stuffmohammed 3 months ago
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@stuffmohammed Not my fault you have no friends.
ohyeahhoneysheband 3 months ago
@yourastupidface Utterly agreed
AntarcticMagpie 3 months ago
@Fattboy26 You do realise that the figures show that average income earners are in fact BETTER OFF with the introduction of a carbon tax right?
seanjoseph91 3 months ago
@seanjoseph91
Seeing as the government does not know how much it will affect the average consumer or if/when the tax rises I would say you are making an assumption.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@seanjoseph91
if you believe anything these government cunts tell you, then you must be fucking retarded.
stuffmohammed 3 months ago
@Fattboy26 No, no, you don't get it! What's being 'mocked' by this is more the very idea that the average person will be paying this tax, because, newsflash: they wont!
brentoneccles 3 months ago
@brentoneccles
News Flash they will.
Even if you only tax the business they will then offset that cost to the consumer.
The tax is bullshit and won't make a difference to the environment. Its a lie.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@Fattboy26 The only lies are everything you just posted. It's not my fault if you don't understand basic Treasury modelling figures and frankly I can't be bothered to bring you up to speed. You want to take the campaign lines of a leader and a political party that would trash this country? Be my guest. The majority of the Australian people wont sit back & take it though.
brentoneccles 3 months ago
@brentoneccles
No I don't lie. It was not me that lied about a carbon tax that was the government. Its not me that is lying pretending a tax can help the environment when it won't. Its not me claiming Co2 is a pollutant which its not. And its not me pretending how the tax will work when very few people know how. But I do know how business works and how they will offset the cost of any tax to the consumer. And how come I am not surprised you cannot bring me up to speed. Lacking detail.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@brentoneccles
Which leader and party is going to trash the nation. So far that would be the present one that has lied to the people, has had one failed policy after another has created a 140 billion dollar deficit.
You are right the majority of Australian won't sit back and take it that is why this government and its tax will be voted out next election.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@Fattboy26 The Liberal party slogans about economics don't look intelligent on you hon. I have to wonder what you don't understand about the current poll recovery the Government is undergoing, so early, two years out from the election... Tony Abbott will never, ever, be Prime Minister. Ever.
brentoneccles 3 months ago
@brentoneccles
Mate the Rudd/Gillard government have about as much chance of being voted in as you fucking the Queen. For you to think this government will be re elected shows you have a tenuous grip in reality. So you have to forgive me if you don't take your predictions about the tax that seriously. All the best mad hatter.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@Fattboy26 You clearly haven't been paying attention to the poll recovery the Gillard Government has been undergoing then. A few more points recovery and the Labor party is in an outright winning position. Take that.
brentoneccles 3 months ago
@brentoneccles
Hahahahah. I could be in a coma and I doubt the Labor party could win. Which part of your arse did you find this poll? As for taking that I don't think I will. Labor will be voted out in a landslide.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@Fattboy26 lol, fucking dumbass. People like you should not be allowed to vote or breed for that matter.
zvezda91 3 months ago
@zvezda91
Yes you fuckin leftie fascist you would love to take away peoples voting rights. But don't worry this tax like the government that introduced are finished. LOL
As for breeding your mother should have swallowed when she conceived you.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
Now i gotta search through all the comments to find stuffmohammed's just so the top comments make sense...
IXPureInstinctXI 4 months ago
Lol love it, they can have my job. Hehe
TheJarbuck 4 months ago
dey terk arr jerrbs!
Yebisu22 4 months ago
all this bitching is useless because nothing gets done anyway - and if something does get done its never enough. so shuddup and enjoy the vid
aphowe1 4 months ago
@haylele YES HE IS
noahwitherdin 4 months ago
The liberal party used to be for silvertails. Now its full of luddites and bogans.
310sucks 4 months ago
So this was the Original add they planned to show on TV...
My eyes are open now to the truth...
DawnofAge 4 months ago 3
mate your a legend
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I lol'd hard at this
SprattyD 4 months ago
Derka-derr!
mcrazza 4 months ago
Losing your job to the carbon tax,
thats a paddlin'
thekuntshow 4 months ago
62 people like justin bieber lost his job.
Thumps ths up if u think it true
thekuntshow 4 months ago
@thekuntshow thumbs up because your a stupid cunt who makes little sense
WestCoastEaglesVideo 4 months ago
@WestCoastEaglesVideo tumbs up if yu got trolled, bitch. LOL
thekuntshow 4 months ago
@thekuntshow trolling implies you have intellect
WestCoastEaglesVideo 4 months ago
62 people lost their jobs
thekuntshow 4 months ago
LOL YES! THANK YOU, THATS WHAT GOES THREW MY HEAD EVERY TIME I SEE THIS ADD, THANK YOU!!!
KangaKucha 4 months ago
I wonder, how many of you arguing here actually have majors in finance or climate science?
It would probably be for the best if you'd all calm down and defer to the experts on this matter, such as the CSIRO or the Productivity commission.
They've dedicated their lives to understanding science and the impacts of public and fiscal policy on GDP growth. I'm sure they understand this tax and the impacts of it far better than you couch-potato theorists.
lobboblob 4 months ago 43
@lobboblob The religion of "growth" is part of the problems we all face over the coming decades as world population reaches it's peak. Time for triple-bottom-line accounting and Gross National Happiness Index.
If our focus is always on "growth" then we're going to have some very hard times when population begins to decline as limited resources are consumed.
mryellow123 4 months ago
@lobboblob yes.. go back to bed australia, your government is in control again. Here! Here's American gladiators, watch this, shut up…Here is 56 channels of it, watch these pictionary retards bang their fuckin` skulls together & congratulate you on living in the land of freedom.
MoreAnonymous 3 months ago
@lobboblob
Well maybe if these experts answered some relevant question before trying to impose a tax and insulting us for opposing it.
1 If Co2 is 0.038% of the atmosphere then how much should it be?
2 When did Co2 become a pollutant?
3 There was more warming periods in the age of the dinosaurs and middle ages what caused that?
4 Nature produces 97% of the 0.038% of Co2 Humans produce around 3% of that Australia produces less than 0.05% how will this tax help?
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@Fattboy26
1. It needs to be low enough that it sits within traditional fluctuation levels and won't affect temperature more than we would expect naturally.
2. When it reached high enough levels to increase global temperatures (so a while ago). Climate science has been saying this is going since the 70s at least. Get a clue please.
3. Natural fluctuations, this man made increase is exponentially greater and will have irreperable effects even if we reduced emmissions to nothing right now.
bnsnowdon 3 months ago
@bnsnowdon
You are a DRONE. I see you cannot answer any relevant question in any detail. If you and other leftwing idiots feel so strongly about this tax then pay it you fukin yourselves. Or otherwise provide evidence to back you argument. As for the guilt trip or scare mongering shove it up your ass.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@Fattboy26
Oh yeah, and nice namecalling, enjoy your shitkicker job reading your gross tabloid newspaper while smarter, richer and all around better people than you put through taxes on things you can't even begin to fathom. To be completely honest the best thing about this tax isn't that it helps deal with a world changing problem, it's that it upsets people like you :)
bnsnowdon 3 months ago
@bnsnowdon
Yeah well when dealing with pseudo intellects such as yourself I don't really have that much tolerance. I still see you have provided nothing in evidence to support any of your claims. Cannot say I am surprised. Hmmm wonder who these SMART people are I hope you are not including yourself in that group. You belong to the sheep.
Right so the best thing about this tax is it makes you feel good because it upsets me? See as I said you are more about feeling good than doing any good
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@Fattboy26
4. Those first numbers are absurd, so I'll ignore them. In regards to how our contribution will help: we have one of the highest emmissions levels per capita, if not the highest, so there's that. Second, do you want to be able to say to your kids and grandkids "oh we knew it was happening we just didn't think it mattered because China wasn't helping"? (Which is a lie anyway, China is actually making quite a large effort considering its size and status as a developing nation).
bnsnowdon 3 months ago
@bnsnowdon
ABSURD? How are they absurd? Can you and will you tell me why those figures that can be verified are absurd?
I will tell you what is ABSURD. Paying a tax based on a lie that will have no effect on the environment whatsoever. Now that is ABSURD. So I can understand why you would IGNORE those figures. That is the problem with people like you you cannot tolerate any details that ruin your feel good dream.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@Fattboy26
By absurd I mean they're wrong. They are incorrect. People have either made them up, falsified them or more likely quoted them in some ridiculous context to further their own agenda (if it wasn't clear their agenda is to make money). The irony is you're ignoring so many reports and figures that have been reported for the last 40 years to form your "climate change is irrelevant" argument. I can only hope you forget to vote next election.
bnsnowdon 3 months ago
@bnsnowdon
REALLY can you prove they are wrong? Of course when anyone disagrees with your FEEL GOOD trip they must be LIARS with an AGENDA and belong to a NEO CONSPIRACY who want to take over the world. I see again you prove little in detail to disprove my argument. How come I am not surprised. Problem is leftist rarely provide any evidence to back their arguments usually relying on feel good emotion that do nothing for anyone or anything other than making them feel good about themselves.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@bnsnowdon
I see you have provide NOTHING in regard to any detail to back you argument. So why should I take you seriously when you cannot refute my argument and bring nothing to the table except a guilt trip based on a lie? I suggest you get a clue you and start thinking for yourself you sheep BAAA BAAA.
Tell me how 0.038% of Co2 of which we humans contribute 3% is going to change with a tax moron? Comn champ simple question.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@Fattboy26
OK. Three points: you're obviously not a liar, just misinformed and beligerant. This isn't an attack against you, it's an attack against the people that willfully misinformed you. It's not a conspiracy, far from it, it's simple fact that companies stand to lose a lot of money if the real cost of their flagrant disregard for the environment by pumping all this extra CO2 into the atmosphere is accounted for. It's in their best interest to continue to do it and tell you that you want to
bnsnowdon 3 months ago
@bnsnowdon
No I am not a liar nor MISinformed I wish I could say the same about you but I am not disingenuous. As for belligerence I only reserve that for idiotic sheep who respond to reasonable questions such as the original add with scorn and insults and put downs. So take as much offence as you want. If you give it out you better be prepared to take it back.I provided evidence to support my argument where so far you have provided NOTHING. So either put up or piss off.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@Fattboy26
Quoting abstract numbers isn't evidence, nor has it backed anything up, it's just continued to prove how uneducated and misinformed you are.
bnsnowdon 3 months ago
@bnsnowdon
I suggest you level that critism at yourself. You have provided no evidence to refute me. As for uneducated and misinformed take a hard look at yourself. Baaaa Baaaa.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@Fattboy26
Not surprising that you would resort to calling me a "sheep". I'm sure it seems like everybody is wrong but you. Well, you and Andrew Bolt. It will probably be hard for you to ever change your opinion, especially after tyrades like these.
But this isn't a matter of opinion.
I can't just deny the existance of gravity or friction or nuclear fission. But for some reason the science behind this is obviously wrong. I can't follow your logic, and it's quite obvious you can't follow mine.
bnsnowdon 3 months ago
@Fattboy26
Finally, in regards to how the tax will reduce emmissions, it's quite simple. Companies work on a per cost basis (I assume you understand how that all works). If you make the price of polluting more expensive other, subsidised alternatives, like renewable energy sources in this case, suddenly become the prudent option for the business. Less carbon is then produced and less damage is done to our environment.
I'm not surprised you couldn't figure that one out.
bnsnowdon 3 months ago
@bnsnowdon
In regard in how the tax works you obviously never really been out in the real world. Still live with mummy and daddy. Straight to Uni after school? See when you hit a company big, medium or small company with a tax what that company usually does is offset the cost to the consumer. That means me and you opps your mummy and daddy will pay more for basic services. Oh Einstein we need Co2 to survive. Without it we would have no life. Plants need it.
Fattboy26 3 months ago
@Fattboy26 "That means me and you opps your mummy and daddy will pay more for basic services"
Yes it does, which will encourage you to seek out cheaper alternatives. Thats the whole idea.
"we need Co2 to survive"
We also need water, but too much water can kill you
podoau 2 months ago
@podoau
Really so you think 0.038% of Co2 is to much? What is the right amount mate? Seeing as humans contribute 3% to the total Co2 in the atmosphere with nature producing the rest then why should we seel alternative energy.
If you are looking for cheaper then coal is it green energy is not only expensive but cannot take the base load electricity.
Please my friend do some research you are being duped
Fattboy26 2 months ago
@Fattboy26 Tell that to your childrem loser
I dont care about expense, I care about the planet..
"3%"
yeah, 3% doesnt sound like much. Turn your air con up 3%. Add 3% salt to your fiish tank. Increase the ocean depth by 3%. You obviously dont know anything about the fine balance of nature and everything about your bank balance
There are those that care about me, and those that care about us..
podoau 2 months ago
@podoau
Right after you tell your kids what a fukin dimwit you are but I am sure they will figure that out soon enough.
Next time the government wants a new tax for the boogeyman you will fall for it. Mate you are simpleminded.
Co2 makes up 0.038% of the atmosphere. When does that become a problem? We have had higher levels of Co2 before and the result is and increase in plant life. Can you tell me what the harm is in that?
Please get your head out of your ass.
Fattboy26 2 months ago
@Fattboy26 well that's not true at all, enough sun falls on the smallest parchment of Australian land to supply the whole country's power needs
ohyeahhoneysheband 2 months ago
@ohyeahhoneysheband
Solar still cannot manage base load electricity. Look I am all for cleaner and better energy but this tax will do nothing for that. Allow the free market forces to do this. This tax is only an excuse from a dishonest government. It will only hurt the small person at the end. By that time that bitch will be out of office.
Fattboy26 2 months ago
@Fattboy26 Of course and all its about is solar. Nothing like a free ride is thier, free health care, free education shit us tax payers even pay for mindless slobs to sit on there arse getting the dole every week. This "FREE MARKET" has had years to do something about it. To do the right thing all the while polluting the air my children breathe for FREE and making billions out of it. If you can't afford $10 a week to make the world a cleaner place then I suspect you'r the dole bludger I pay for
3133123 2 months ago
@3133123
What the fuck are you talking about? Sure if solar could take base load electricity and cheaper than coal I am all for it. But it cannot at the time.
This free market is reason why you are working. Its the reason you enjoy a living standard in Australia that other nations can only envy. Its not the free markets fault that we do not have solar. If you don't like any pollution then do not use any electricity. No TV, no lights, no computer where you write dumb shit, no car nothing.
Fattboy26 2 months ago
@Fattboy26 You sit there sprouting solar is it, thats the only way to have clean energy.
Oh and thanks for the run down of the appliances I am unable to use due to the fact I don't want to polute the environment any more. If it wasn't for my solar system and wind turbine I might have turned my computer off before I recieved your pitiful reply. Fact is THE FREE MARKET you hold on a pedestal is only interested in PROFIT. There is no incentive for corperations to invest in clean technology.
3133123 2 months ago
@3133123
Listen are you drunk? Or are you always this dumb? There is not only Solar there is Nuclear, Water Wave technology, Wind. But they cannot cope with base load electricity. They might in the future I hope they do. But not now.
Yes of course the free market is interested in profit. Moron. I run a business myself and you need to make a profit to have a business. But the free market will be the driving force to make alternative energy cheaper for he average consumer.
Fattboy26 2 months ago
@3133123
The incentive is making money. That is why nations with Free Markets have a higher standard of living than other nations. That is a fact. If you do not like it move to North Korea or Cuba. Slugging the average tax payer with a tax that will not change the climate by 1 degree is not the answer. Co2 is NOT a problem. Don't worry about it worry about you low iq.
Fattboy26 2 months ago
@Fattboy26 The incentive is making money THE QUICKEST and CHEAPEST POSSIBLE WAY and fuck the consequences. Currently it is cheaper to dig a big hole in the ground and burn what you find. Fuck the consequences. Now how do you propose to make it cheaper to invest in wind, solar, geo thermal, tidal and wave energies. Nah fuck it let the free market take care of it I'm going to vote Liberal.
Thats how low my IQ is.
3133123 2 months ago
@3133123
Again coal is the cheapest energy available. If you child goes to a hospital and needs an operation do you want constant safe power or intermittent power say from solar that is not reliable? Poorer people around the world depend on cheap energy for survival and development as they develop and science find new and better energy the free market is the driving force that can make this happen. You do seem to know what you are arguing about. Free Market or pollution. Yes your IQ is low.
Fattboy26 2 months ago
@Fattboy26 (2) make dirty energy more expensive than clean and what do you know the FREE MARKET will start to pour money in. The free market isn't interested in right and wrong only money money money. The only way to force big polutters to invest the right way is to make it less economical to invest the wrong way. They are not going to do it by themselves, its all to hard, so we will continue on this never ending roundabout with nothing done.
3133123 2 months ago
@3133123
No making electricity more expensive for lower income earners is not the answer. Making alternate energy cheaper and able to take base load is the answer. And the free market is the driving force that can do that. What do I know about Free Market? I own a business and need to make a profit. To do that I need to run a tight ship. The tax payer does not subsidies me. I need to be competitive in the market place competing with other businesses.
Fattboy26 2 months ago
@3133123
Businesses are there to make money are provide a service not create morality. Whatever school you went to failed you. The way to make big business change is to make economic incentives to create a market that is accessible to most people. Not slug people with a tax that will do nothing for the climate. Look I do not understand your argument are you upset with Co2 or Free Market? You seem to be all over the place.
Fattboy26 2 months ago
@Fattboy26 you said "Businesses are there to make money are provide a service not create morality" hahahahahaha
Exactly my point idiot and my school failed me hahahahahaha
So who in your wonderfully educated opinion is there left to create morality??? Who is left to create the incentive to do the right thing and not the cheapest dirtiest thing???. Think back to your wonderful education. Do you know who it is??? I will leave you to ponder and await your educated reply
3133123 2 months ago
@3133123
Mate I don't think you have a point.
I think you need to calm down and let your brain have time to think. Businesses are about making money. I took it for granted that even you understood that but it looks like I am wrong.
What is the problem? I own a business but its not my job to talk to you about morality that is personal.
Once Solar, wind or water is cheaper for the average consumer then coal will be a thing of the past. Till then we need energy.
Fattboy26 2 months ago
@Fattboy26 ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID???? I never said bussineses shouldn't make money. I did in fact say COAL at the moment was the cheapest form of enegy. MY point is the only way BUSINESS is going to do the moral thing is to make coal less attractive for future investment. Business won't do that on there own that would be like giving your Nan back the $10 chrismas card just so you don't have to kiss her. They need and incentive and your wonderfully educated brain cant come up with a better 1
3133123 2 months ago
@3133123
No I am not stupid but I suspect you are. You seem to have a problem with free market. That means people that own businesses whether big or small that need to make a profit for survive. To make a profit you need to supply the comsumer with a product or service that is either cheaper or superior to your competitors. Socialism is a failed system that costs alot of money and does not increase incentive or production. Socialist states are failed states look not further than Cuba.
Fattboy26 2 months ago
@Fattboy26 I have a problem with idiots such as you who think they have all the answers when really they have none. Idiots who hold the free market up on a pedestal when really its all about greed. I too own a business I too make money from supplying goods at profit and employ 37 people to do that for me. However I believe that with the making of money comes a cost and pumping endless amounts of pollution into the air for FREE should not be tollerated and there should be a finacial cost involved
3133123 2 months ago
@3133123
No my friend I do not have all the answers. I just do research and I am not easily swayed by scare mongering. When one learns to think for oneself its hard to fool. Try it it won't hurt.
Right you own a business then welcome to the free market. Because you are part of it. You need to make a profit to survive. That is after you pay your staff and overheads. Or otherwise what would be the point.
You do know that Co2 is not a pollutant? How old are you again?
Fattboy26 2 months ago
@3133123
If you take away coal millions of people will have no power in the world. Many will die and suffer. Poor people cannot afford solar or wind. Till poor people can develop or when a cheaper cleaner alternative is found then coal is it.
This tax will do NOTHING for the environment. Its a lie that only stupid people like yourself fall for. Think.
On a personal note how old are you? What do you do?
Fattboy26 2 months ago
@Fattboy26 Fuck you with the personal note bull shit. You stupid fucking Abbott shill
THIS IS NOT A POOR COUNTRY THIS DEBATE DOESNT EFFECT THE POOR IN AFRICA OR KOREA.
THINK how about YOU THINK. All you Abbott lovers believe buying a few tress and paying farmers for carbon abatement is the way to go. Sure and we will use tax payers money to fund it, what a great idea. So while we polute more the bill gets bigger which means either taxes go up or services get underfunded.
3133123 2 months ago
@3133123
Abbott shill? So mate what is your problem? Co2 which is not a pollutant. Free Market which creates wealth and give you a standard of living that no other system can match? Or Tony Abbott? You seem to be very angry and your arguments is all over the place.
There are people here who would find it very hard to pay more for basic utilities and I do not believe slugging them to fund a tax based on a lie by a government that lies that will do nothing for the climate is the way to go.
Fattboy26 2 months ago