G-20 or G-192: Which is more 'global'?

[pgan002]

No, not every system is bound to develop elites.

[stperkin]

No. Not every social system. Just every social system that elites have allowed so far.

[permacultureli]

and 192 is NOT everyone....everyone is every human being AWARE and PARTICIPATING in cultural chnge willingly, ...not manipulated by governments.

[Mandy1empyrean]

If you blow away the labels we have placed upon self & others at a base line we are all one & and the same humanity we are all together in this world as keepers of a world resource called Earth we all have to work as a Global Society to save self, others & all life , regardless of the labels we choose to hold as truths, taking this journey together is the only way forward as brothers & sisters!

[flyhye]

Brown looks like he is ready to quit. 0:35

[DenisRancourt]

awesome report! one of the best RN clips ever. goes to the heart of the issue: democracy without democratic control of the economy is an empty vessel. why was their working group not more representative of the more radical majority...? The contrast provided by Canada and the US is revealing. great report. radical in that it touches the root. thank you.

[papalosopher]

???

[Freedomvoicenews]

Destroy the IMF and the world Bank and also the Fed then the so CALLED Third world Countries will start to recover!

[calsonicSTi]

This is kind of depressing.

[melpuzon]

The more I see what our leaders are doing, the more I solidify my belief in what Jacques Fresco says about the corruption and the self serving behavior that these bureaucrats spew from their deceptive mouths. We are governed by fear and money and in order for us to change this world, we must all shift this paradigm through a new global consciousness. The Zeitgeist Addendum has some truths worth listening to.

[eeedel]

WOW 04:40

[hasatum]

Yes, you should read both Keynes and Marx. You should also try reading Smith, Von Mises, and Hayek. While you're at it, look through some Rawls. Become familiar with both sides of the argument. Become acquainted with the history of nations and of money. A solid understanding of biology and how competition and cooperation function in nature is also enormously helpful. Once you're comfortable deciding when comfort is really worth accepting coercion, you'll have discovered your politics.

[jmartecep]

What I see is that the so called average person is not happy with the fact that the few are making decisions for the many. How do we convince the powerful 1% of the world that we matter and the don't want to take their wealth? Sound money, a tool to keep financial institutions honest has been discarded so that banks have free reign to print money at will providing more power to that 1%. I feel that people want to get involved with this process because faith is lost in our leadership.

[Rotpig]

Fuck this "subscribe" shit. I SHIT ON YOU.

[papalosopher]

Clarify what you mean by "Oh and it's socialist governments not socialistic. "

[Alpinex105]

Get rid of the money.

[blackiron60]

Regardless of how this crisis resolves itself - the global economy will go through crisis again, and again, and again, and again until capitalism exhausts itself or is replaced. This is inevitable: boom and bust. The world needs a new socialism now more than ever and our task now is to conceive of what it will look like and how it will work. It is the only way to ensure the wellbeing of humanity as a whole without exception.

[IncLogic]

"capitalism" .....  no Capitalism is not the problem.

Certain people who are in control of 'capitalism' are the problem.

A knife can be a tool for surgery and save lives or it can kill someone. What it boils down to is the USER.

Clearly this "CAPITALISM" is in the wrong hands because the global results are self evident.

[thewarrior195]

A very interesting take on that. But most people (including myself) believe that Capitalism seems to be include an upper class and a lower class with a very large gap to fill. Those who prosper seem to be dependent on how much the 'rape' those who are doing poorly. What would you say to that?

I do agree that the above is not necessary in any way. Profit is good, but not at the expense of one's conditions and well being.

[papalosopher]

I've recently decided analogies are ALWAYS misleading.

How do you ensure that "CAPITALISM" be in the RIGHT hands?

Your statement is very clear, crystal clear, but I think it is naive.

[IncLogic]

Analogies are not necessarily misleading although some of them can be. Mine simply separates the notion of a social system called 'capitalism' ( very different from Adam Smith's version) and those who control it from the top.

"right hands" are those individuals who are transparent, accountable, accessible and realistic. It seems those people are the minority when it comes to important world affairs.

Hence, power is in the 'WRONG" hands and not in the RIGHT hands.

[papalosopher]

Free market enterprise does not reward those who are transparent, but those who are secretive; accountability in free market enterprise fails because those assessing performance consider only the bottom line; accessible? what does that have to do with hierarchal corporate structure?; realistic... interesting, what do you mean by that?

In short, you blame the people, when the system determines who will be the people at the top. Naive.

[IncLogic]

1) Secretive, shadowy individuals have existed in every society and social system. You cannot eliminate them, because it's simply a state of mind created under the right conditions. That is difficult to explain in this discussion

2) I never said Free Market Economics was the IDEAL SYSTEM; especially today

3) Any system is bound to develop an ELITE; an exclusive club destined for corruption. No system can avoid the inevitability of human nature and it's lust for power. Thats why empires collapse

[pedroquintero]

free market economics does not exist as a result of so much government intervention

[IncLogic]

I'm glad you understand that as well !

[papalosopher]

Yes, the secretive and shadowy exist in every society, but they are REWARDED in a capitalist society. I am an optimistic person, and I believe in the possibility of reforming the system in such a way that eliminates corruption and elitism Let's talk about that.

Your country is great, America. You deserve better.

[dunskie]

The UN is founded by Luceferians. Search for their theosophical beginnings. It's all in the records.

Kind of strange,no? Cause for concern to me.

[dunskie]

Pushing for a "New Age" religion?

[ttj1776]

Gordon Brown ought to take his bloody "global new deal" and new world order and keep it on your side of the pond

[asperin]

Social justice?

I want a private security firm to take care of me besides myself and my guns, not Statist thugs that nothing happens to them when they break the law.

Economic control?

The market regulates itself by demand of the consumer. The State creates monopolies via licenses, patents, permits, taxes, regulations and all the other scams.

You think that humans should be told what, when, why and how to do things. You think like a politician, like a religious clergy.

[asperin]

I agree with Brown, we have a global problem and we need a global solution.

Lets kill all the politicians. End the UN.

[adamthebaddun]

No mention of this on BBC News, CNN or Al Jazeera

[bbburton]

Get the US out of the UN. Just say no to the new world order.

[Realizalize]

funny, cause the nwo sign is on usayans` freaggin money,

which if you fold a paper plane

show sort of something,

dunno what though...

[JSparkleZ2]

Well looks like captialism has finally run its coarse... I think it's time for a new social philosophy that doesn't have the systemic problem of eventual centralization of wealth...

[asperin]

Capitalism doesn't centralize wealth, Socialistic governments by ways of nationalization centralize wealth and distribute it however they please.

[papalosopher]

Socialistic governments tend to redistribute wealth by disinterested methods. Capitalists distribute wealth by inherently "undisinterested" methods (aka investment, consumer purchasing, etc.). Both are incredibly useful and neither should be abandoned nor maligned, nor exalted as the One True Way.

To characterise a socialist government, nominal or legitimate, as inherently clientelistic is a mischaracterization. To deny that concentration of wealth is inherent in capitalism is wrong.

[asperin]

I just want a free market which I can participate in.

I don't want a state.

If people want a state and they want to pay taxes, they can, I don't want to tell them how to live, I just want to SECEDE and live among people who think alike.

[spits32]

germany 1942 was pretty homogeneous.

[asperin]

So what do you mean by that?

[JSparkleZ2]

Not quite... Under socialism there is collective ownership of all property and everyone is equal (totally decentralized)...

At this point the top 1% of people have more wealth than the bottom 90% (clearly centralized)...

Any system of competition inherently breeds one ultimate winner amongst the multitude of losers, ie capitalism...

If capitalism hasn't run it's coarse and is on its way out why then did the #1 capitalist country need to borrow $1 trillion from a communist country?

[eeedel]

Your statement is the most sense I've ever read from anyone when dealing with this subject. But when you add human suffering and poverty into the equation it turns the eloquent black and white picture you painted into a gray one.

Like you made an excellent point, but you haven't seen homeless/poverty until you've been to parts of the Chinese cities they don't show you in movies.

[JSparkleZ2]

Granted i'm not saying that communism (as it is implemented practically) is the best answer bc it has so many failure...

I'm not suggesting pure socialism either as it usually leads to failed communism (though the idea is a good one)

But capitalism is spiraling into itself and proving itself a failure on a global level... What I'm suggesting is instead of trying to patch a failed system that we start trying to think of a better way where life is equitable for all...

[asperin]

A free market never existed in the US.

A free market lacks regulation, taxation, patents, licenses and all the other scams the State put on to profit from it.

There is no "Capitalist government", what you mistake for Capitalism is State Corporatism, which is Socialist in nature.

Forget economic theories for a second, the difference here is that you need a State to function and I don't.

[JSparkleZ2]

Free markets need to b regulated in that they don't provide humanitarian short falls...

The slave trade, global warming, unsafe pharma dumped in the 3rd world, all examples of free markets being bad for humanity...

Free marketers always tend to lose sight of the fact that life is never equitable, except for the very few, of which you are certainly not part of...

[asperin]

Free markets are not free if they are regulated.

Free markets are regulated by demand of the consumers.

[bootleg42]

You are correct in that the U.S. never had a free market but you are dead wrong in "state corporatism" is "socialist in nature.

The base meaning of socialism, from it's beginnings, has always been workers controlling THEIR OWN work and means of production. What the heck does a powerful state have to do with that???? In fact we've seen plenty of powerful states where workers lose rights and control (same with not-so-powerful states with private power running the show).

[asperin]

Dude, I'm all for the workers controlling their own enterprises and that is as free market as there could be.

What I'm against is the State taxing businesses and individuals.

In a Socialist government, the State tries to nationalise as much as possible, making the owner of the businesses, the State, not the workers.

With their funds, they expand, and, at least try to, favor the collective not the individual(Hence "Democratic", Majority rule over the Minority).

[TheLibertyChannel]

There is no difference.

G20 is run by the same big banking boys that effectively set up, and rule over the UN, the IMF and the World Bank. The other 172 countries are just a bit more wrecked governorships of the same world banking system.

These kinds of videos calling for a 'world consensus' are nothing but a reprise of the same old Fabian socialist/bankster agenda for a world governance, i.e., effective and open world government by monopoly men and UN technocrats.

[h0tie]

This is evidence there IS some smart people in UN that doesnt give in to western influencess ONLY.

[BlueTunisia]

The people are the answer.

Not government.

[GeoliphicMedia]

the g-20 is not the world ... as stated on realnews, its a decreasing minority

[xxashyy]

Why are these 3rd world nation called "developing countries" They've been developing for centuries and they still live in the stone age, and still have they're hands out for aid. An accurate word would be stagnating countries.

[mikezephyr]

or 'exploited zones'.

[Aanthanur]

xxashyy

pretty tough accusation affter colonialisation slavery exploitation racism etc.

But of course you dont feel any guilty :) cause dont even have a clue how much our deleopment has cost them......

[xxashyy]

"colonizations slavery exploitation racism" is the typical excuse I hear for why most parts of Africa can't modernize. My observation shows that it has to do with backwards cultures and tribal warfare. Other nations have been colonized and defeated the colonizers and really developed. Ireland and Vietnam and others are a good example. So why cant most parts of Africa stabilize?

[Aanthanur]

xxashyy

surely they have their own problems and sure not all can be blamed on the past but we are still exploiting alot parts of africa for rare metals we need in electronics or gold. And South America isnt taking it anymore, Venezuela and Bolivia are examples of it, they hugely suffered from out new exploitation scam under the flag of globalisation and friedmans neoliberalism under the flag of freedom.

[papalosopher]

Has Vietnam developed?  Please provide a link to evidence. Ireland is an excellent example.

I hope Africa never modernizes. I hope they develop a Third Way, if you will, to overcome their plenty crises. An Africa that is free, healthy, peaceful... what more do you want?

You do not distinguish between modernity and stability.

[xxashyy]

Vietnam and Ireland are developed than most parts of Africa, if you cant see that I cant help you. Trade with Vietnam made that nation a bit more livable than the Congo or Zimbabwe in Africa. So you can say that Vietnam is a developing nation rather than most 3rd world nations in Africa.

[papalosopher]

I agree Vietnam is more developed, but I was surprised to see you equate it with Ireland. I also recognize trade plays a necessary role in its development, but trade alone is not sufficient. African nations trade, too. Trade is not a be-all, end-all vehicle of development...

[xxashyy]

I never said trade what the "be-all, end-all " in development. I also said that these Africa nations suffer from backwards stone age cultures which in my view contributes to constant tribal wars. That also could lead to slowing down real development. Ireland doesn't suffer from such things.

[GnosticNinja]

So, whats the "G" stand for... Golem?

I wonder, they all act like mindless zombies.

[BOBSMOKETV]

Have your meetings all you want. I don't want to participate in your new scheme. Anything they come up with will be usury and economic slavery for anyone not in that room or a share holder. Pay me in gold or silver only!!!

[bbnemesis123]

The U.N is a joke. Just a few weeks, the developing countries had a legitimate grievance about aide distribution to their countries. The G-20 didn't even show up or care about the grievances. The U.N is about all countries having a say and a vote. The U.N serves NO purpose for a world government. The U.N is a criminal organization serving only a few interest. The U.S does not need the U.N, IMF, and BIS at all.

[darktoadthesticky]

The problem with the UN is it is filled with politicians.

The G20, is far too secret to be in the best interest of anyone.

[boots920]

UN

This are the guys that oversaw the Food for Oil program, they're just a waste of space.

End the UN - Its destroying the planet.