klaasist ehk sama õrn nagu meie vabadus? lubage naerda. kaitske jah natot ja eud, tänu kellele pole me mitte modagi savutanud. okei eu on siia raha ka sisse pumbanud omajagu aga ärge arvake et see lihtsalt heast tatest meile kingitakse.
nato on meie riigi kaitsevõimet ainult vähendanud siiamaani. miljardid kroonid lähevad mingisugustele "kohustustele" liitlaste ees ja ostetakse ilma igasuguse relvastuseta PLASTIKUST laevu. toimub eesti kaitsevõime tahtlik nõrgendamine
naljakas on lugeda siin igasuguste "waffenite"ja "estlandite" kommentaare. kiruvad venelasi ja samas kaitsevad eu-d ja nato-t, kes reaalsuses on samasugused jobud nagu venelased. ärge arvake, et naatod ja eud pole meile sitta keeranud.. on ikka küll ja keeravad veel. eriti naljakas on see, et selle samba ehitasid tšehhid ja selle samba peal on märk, mida kasutasid eesti leegioni mehed. kas keegi teist "tšehhi põrgust" on midagi kuulnud?euroopa liit kui rahvuste hävitaja tuleb elimineerida
muidu on ilus ja korrektiivne monumend. aga ehitus toimus siiski vene keeles. oleks pidanud eestlased tunneli ja kogu selle betooni väljaku tegema lasta. omaseid tuleks rohkem toetada. kui kuradi türklasi ja mingid maha jäänud vankaseid.
BTW, even children are singing; evil wolf who would fear. Believe me, the blood that runs in Estonian veins is far more stout than the poison in yours and alike.
Like there is no monuments in Russia and USA. freedom war is sacred to Estonians, but yeah, I don't know how much we needed this monument, we already have one.
Russia struggles with feeding its hungry, maintaining its decaying infrastructure and caring for its elderly. It continues to struggle with decades-long social and economic failure.
You apparently don't know anything about this Estonian monument. It commemorates Estonia's military victory over Russia/Communism during World War I. It was a great victory and we enjoy remembering and celebrating it.
We believe in freedom for all people including our Russians friends.
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In Russia for a long time is not present poverty, especially hunger. And what ass is in Estonia during crisis and as the West Europe has sent you far away with all your entreaties about the help, is a popular fact) "Estonia's military victory over Russia"? You possibly don't know what is a military victory)
After monument pulling down, you have no any friends in Russia. Can lick further an ass to the West and to ask them to throw any bone from their table.
Well, I visited Saint Petersburg about a year ago and I have to say, that I expected more. The city hasn't seen almost any renovation since the collapse of the Soviet Union. There is almost no middle class in Russia, there's no hunger, but there's nothing to cheer about as well.
Estonia and Lithuana are doing quite well actually, the Latvians are in trouble, thanks to their large Russian minority. That you get your "facts" from state controlled Russian news agencies, isn't really an argument.
But today the Russians need to BUY visa to Europe in contradistinction to the Germans who are in Schengen. Is not it FUNNY? The Germans may freely travel around Europe in contradistinction to the Russians. BTW about Estonia: You are only nation around who need to beseech for Estonian visa. You are loosers of Europe (look at your country) so I do not understand what are you laughing at.
It maybe funny to you, but its rather irrelevant to us, we're not asslickers, we're not measuring our victory by how many international borders we can cross without a visa. We are the single most militarily powerful state in Europe, and the last European nation that didn't surrender its balls to the Americans. I am looking at my country, its wonderful. :-)
Russians live in it, so who cares what anyone else things? :-) You found a couple of videos and you're trying to present them as representing life for majority of people in Russia? Thats complete and utter horseshit, buddy. :-) Life in our country is in fact wonderful, much less dull then in most other places.
I've been to Estonia once in the 90s, its nothing special, those Nazies can all burn to hell and that won't make the slightest bit of impact on anything. Irrelevant, completely irrelevant, kinda like your own country. :-)
I visited St. Petersburg last year. The city was in awful shape, despite some pakazuha. Beautiful buildings ruined, no renovation, bad roads, unmotivated cops. You can see a Gucci shop, next to it bums going through trash cans, 4 parked cars, 1 Bentley and 3 old LADA's. That's your problem, you have no middle class. By the way, being anti Russain, doesn't make you a nazie and we have reasons to be anti Russian. Neo-nazies and skinheads are Russias problem, not ours!
Dude, yeah I've seen you use that whole little story a couple of times....but it is kinda bullshit though, being that I lived in St.Petersburg. We have a middle class, I am middle class, all my friends are middle class, most people I associate with are middle class. You obviously know nothing about our country. You're not just anti-Russian (as retarded as that is), you also got kids even here on youtube Hailing Hitler and yelling White Power with all the other idiots.
A bit of a grammatic error there, I still DO live in St.Petersburg, thats why you're going to have to forgive me but I am not going to take that little story of yours seriously.
Skinheads usualy are troubled kids and like with any minority, they're loud and want to make their voices heard. Neo-nazie movement in Estonia is pretty pathetic. In Russia on the other hand, Rossia dla Ruskih is becoming a big problem. Now, I really visited St. Petersburg last year and comparing it to Tallinn nowdays, it's a dirty city and could use a lot of renovation. And like you Russians say: "Moskva i Piter ešo ne Rossia".
Eh you got a bit of a mix up in terminology friend. "Rossiya dlya russkih" is a slogan, Slavic Union and others like it are organizations/movements. I've been to Talinn in 99, I didn't notice that much different. St.Petersburg is actually rather clean, lots of roads have been repaired because of the G8 summit, the old buildings are being restored. As for renovation..this is St.Petersburg, we don't want new buildings in the center. Moskva is not Russia, Piter is.
You sound like a reasonable person. Tell me something please. If you want to become a Russian citizen, you should learn Russian language, adopt Russian culture and mentality, right??? Why should it be any different in the Baltics???
That we are not "thankful" for the Soviet occupation and deportation of our people doesn't make us nazies or fashists!!
Well I do agree that Russians living in the Baltics have a choice to make, they can either be patriots of Russia and go back to Russia or they should learn the language of the country they're living in.
As for everything else, its a difficult situation, I can see your side of the argument, but the problem is that while it makes sense given the circumstance, our own viewpoint of the events will always go into conflict with yours. Add to that that unlike with some of our other neighbors (Ukraine, Georgia) we have absolutely nothing in common with people of the Baltic states, so all that results in the current negative image of Baltic people in the minds of Russians.
Not to say that a negative image of Ukrainians and Georgians doesn't exist, but those images distributed by the government aren't swallowed as easily by the masses because many, many people in Russia had personal interaction with people of those countries and simply know better.
Estonia in the 90s, ha. Estonia has improved more in 20 years sincee 1991 than Russia. Russia is still just like the evil Soviet Union, only now they call theirselves democratic while any journalist or a person doesn't like Putin gets murdered. Estonia is nazi? Your so retarded if your say something like that. Estonia is ranked 4 in the press freedom rankings, Russia is ranked 153. There are hundreds of reports of Russian neo-nazis killing immigrants in Russia every year.
@walkingwhilesleeping you can not compare Russia with Estonia. GDP of Estonia is not 10 % of Moscow City... Estonia is part of EU and do not have naighbours like China, Georgia etc... Estonia is taking billions of benefits from EU etc... it makes no sence to compare Russian-Problems with Estonian Problems.. Estonia is for sure not Nazi but small like...
Interesting fact is that 70 % of all crimes in Estonia are commited by the Russian immigrants. They deny the history, they deny the occupation of Estonia and they don't learn the Estonian language while living here for their whole life. Then they wonder why they are not accepted by Estonians. Estonia is much better than Russia, a country that isn't democratic and free. People aren't even free.
@walkingwhilesleeping interesting that 70% of all Estonians love to work in difrient EU Countries and participate in reducing payroll in this countries. Interesting that Moscow is producing 10 times more GDP than Estonia.. in other words.. Estonia is just one district of Moscow City.. not more.. Estonia is participating in Afghanistan War.. and making exactly the same the USSR did in 80`s...
Then why most of Russians still praise Hitler? Most of the wannabe nazi organisations are in Russia. Your nation is so pathetic they dont even care that most of theyr soldiers died because of Axis troops. And thats why you dont deserve to be given any respect.
The only reason that the russians still praise Hitler is because russians love violence! even their young people like violence - they have no clean ideas about anything - they just like to cause trouble
Don't worry shprot, respect from your pathetic kind is completely and utterly worthless. :-) We don't need anyone's respect, or encouragement, you're all mere insects at our feet. :-) And aren't you a neo-nazi? Hypocrite.
I dont need poems about Russia that are black lie like poison. I dont need to use smiles like my 7 year old son does. Live your life Russian and shut up. Most of the world hates you. Live with it.
Shprot, learn the English language, its really simple and it will make it easier for your new masters to order you around. I use smileys because there is just no better way in text-form to represent my amusement at how pathetic you are.:-) Its substitute for a tone of voice. Of course you hate us, you fear us, we are stronger than you, better than you. :-) And we don't care, you're just a bunch of crawling insects, you're not worth our attention so we allow you to exist.)))
We hate you but we dont fear you. You fear Nato and that means also us. You fear that west is a threath to your pathetic nation. And speaking about learning languages most Russians in Estonia cant even speak Estonian. Though they have lived there many years. For us you are like empty air.
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Lol, we do not fear you or NATO, NATO is simply an adversary, and not all nations in NATO are equal, not at all. Neither do we hate you, you're not our equal, you're far below us, there is no reason to hate you. But yes, you fear us, and you don't even hide it.))) They don't learn Estonian, because they don't want to, because they feel superior to you and they should, because they are.)))
Local Russians, who don't want to learn Estonian, because they feel superior to us, can always leave. Remember, they where uninvited in the first place.
Small and insignificant as we are, we're still a nation and have every right to be independent. Small countries have to pick sides. On one side there are US & EU, who have been friendly and sympathetic towards us, one the other side there is arrogant Russia, with its agressive foreign policy, who's constantly meddling in our domestic affairs. Bottom line is, that you can't force anybody into friendship. You can call us Americas bitch or whatever you like, we don't care as well.
@klaabu99 look, care for your own dirt. It makes sence to remember all this Russian, German and Polish LandOwners who did lose there property because of this Estonian Independence.. therefor care for your own Country and dont say shit about Russia, as you do not have the right to talk about it
landowners(mostly germans but also few russians) got at least some compensation for land and not all land was taken away from them and they had right to keep their buildings ... but how it was in russia ... only compensation what they got for their property was bullet and that only it they were lucky
so i guess u are the one who have no right to talk about it
@klaabu99 half nonsense, my great-grandfather did buy in 1902 approx. 1 km2 in your country from two noble Germans who did not pay there bills in Petersburg, 1920`s remained only three Hektars. He sold the remaining soil very fast because his family from Petersburg had to flee and the rents were high. Differently from the Bolshevik they (white-Estonians) however, at least very seldom did not beat dead. Just 101 cases of murder writen down of murder from white-estonians against baltic german.
@klaabu99 The Protestant municipalities of Livlands made a listing and taken by the Deutschbalten against the Latvian state in 20`s Geneva.
Besides it was not fairly but in today's jurisdiction crime. As German one must have been goofy to support the Estonians at those days, differently than the Latvians the property was taken already immediately . In masses the Germans emigrated as a result of this huge lost to Reichsdeutschland. Crime of the Estonian-White and red.
germans were still landowners and 1939 when russians came so i don't know where u get u facts .. of course they didn't had so much land as they had before 1917 .. but they kept most of their property ... land was taken away for very small compensation ... but they kept their factories ...
@klaabu99 Nonsense, reads please once western history books. 1) land ownership was reduced about 90% 1918-1921 in Estonia, town ownership about 10%. My roots are baltic-german our association has all data. Tell this your tourists you can not fool me
as i said land wasn't taken away .. they got very small compensation for it ... The last owner of the Saka Manor from the end of the 19th century up to the distribution of the lands of the manor to peasants was Hermann von Lövis of Menar who left for Germany in 1939 with his whole family.
at 1919 freshly established estonian goverment had only one thing to offer for people - land and there was no other place to get it .. and i never said that compensation was fair
@klaabu99 it was crime, fair is difrient.. and thats why you should make a monument for all this germans who lost there property after independece for the sake of this republic. I know its hard, but even small Estonia did make crime, and there is properly no people in Europe who made no crime.
@klaabu99 It also makes no difference like Rosenberg said, a compatriot of you. If people are too weak, they should earn nothing than there destruction. So finaly baltic germans lost and died.
@Gintoxiccc they lost because their wanted too much .. but not all baltic germans supported landeswehr .. some in estonia supported estonian goverment too ..
i'm not sure but lot of germans lost their property earlier .. lot earlier .. when they leave to germany ...
btw if they think it was crime that estonian goverment took their land from them then u can demand it back now ...
@klaabu99 In 1915/1916 the most capital and capital good was taken by the Russian government. In 1917 the nobility lost tax privileges and payroll, in 1918-1921 most of property and everything that remained in 1922 was taken from bourgeoisie in 1939 by Germany to pay out Stalin.
@klaabu99 The situation for a German was quite bad. The SPD government had betrayed the compatriots in the Baltic States, every hope for beeing part of germany died, the Landeswehr was the last hope of the German population. The last saved and hidden capital was given and after the defeat and the ultimatum of the west powers resigned the nobility and bourgeoisie.
@Gintoxiccc i'm not sure but landeswehr was only allowed to fight agains bolsheviks but they decided that baltics belong to them .. and they were financed by britain and they were asked to stop all activities against estonia .. but they decided still to fight and they lost ... so there is nothing to do .. estonians did what was done everywhere over europe .. winner take s everything
@klaabu99 i do have this contract on my desktop.. its evidence of the crime Hitler and Stalin made vs baltic people and nations. Can sent you if you like
i belive u about that contract ... but i don't think stalin waited until 45 to send germans to siberia .. first loaded trains from estonia were sent before war .. i belive germans were on these too .. or u mean that after war there was still 770 germans left in estonia??
@klaabu99 In Hitler Stalin pact the forced migration was regulated clearly. Not a single German was deported in 1940/41 by Stalin, but was evacuated to Germany. Few Germans in Estonia have remained in 1945, long after the Soviets Estonia took again, the order of deportation come. These were mostly mixed marriages.
at july 1940 were arrested most of people who worked in estonian police .. estonian border guards and estonian army were removed earlier ... police was last threat to soviet goverment
@klaabu99 In 39/40 the forced migration was organised well. The Estonian border guard gave the Expatrioation to the Germans and he signed, went on the ship. But when in 1940 the Soviets marched in panic started with the remained Germans and the evacuation was organised by the German Embasy in Reval. The German Embasy did force the Germans to sign the document otherwise no way inside the vessel.. the Estonian border guards allready lost contol 40/41 of the borders of the harbour .
@Gintoxiccc 14.05.1941. USSR C(b)P Central Committee and USSR Council of People’s Commissars’ decision nr. 1299 -526 “Concerning deportations of socially foreign elements from the Baltic republics, Western Ukraine, Western Byelorussia and Moldavia”. Here we find the list of 9 categories of persons who are to be deported: ...6) persons that are in connection with Germany; 7) refugees from former Poland... btw i was talking about estonia not soviet union(russia)
i belive u about that contract... but i don't think stalin waited until 45 to send germans to siberia .. first loaded trains from estonia were sent before war .. i belive germans were on these too .. or u mean that after war there was still 770 germans left in estonia??
@klaabu99 Besides there is an international law complaint of 1925, the national court in Genve has said clearly. The land reform was legal. According to the European convention of human rights the principle of the membership of a state is valid in the convention. Estonia has ratified only in the late 90s years the convention, therefore an expropriation is not-valid after ratification, not later.. any-way i dont want. If you never stop this history of bad stories you end up with war after war
@Gintoxiccc 1925 ... and wait a minute u started that complaining .. i just know that some who left estonia at 1939 got their property back .. i don't say that estonians didn't comitted any crimes or warcrimes ... we are only humans ..
@klaabu99 Maybe Jews, Poles, Russians, Estonians. There was one contract between Estonia and Germany. Any german who left to Germany had to give his property one company with shareholders 60% germany, 20% Latvia and 20% Estonia. 1940 this company was cashed out to Stalin, he got it for shippments of Oil and Iron to germany the years befor and months after. There are 770 germans who did not leave Estonia and Stalin sent them 1945 to Sibiria.. Maybe parts of them who got there property back
@klaabu99 on my list (Deutsch/Baltischer Verein+ evangelische Kirche-Flüchtlingsregister) 770 where deported, i will see the documents, somtimes you have to see the seconde name, dont forget after 1918 a lot of germans from Petersburg and parts of Poland did leave Russia or new-Poland and did settle to Estonia or Latvia. Many of them did count like Russian Passport-holders and somtimes allready had russian family-names. Maybe this is the difrience between 1945 and 557.. this 13 are interesting
@klaabu99 There was a contract between Estonia/Latvia and Germany. A company was founded, the property of Germans who left was taken. Every time a German left he had to sign two things. Once he lost his Estonian/Latvian citizenship and his property/wealth was transferred to this company. Then this company was used by Hitler to pay his raw material debts to Stalin in 1940/1941.. This criminal was using his own nation.. Estonia did not win in it, was forced to accept this.
Russia didn't achieve victory alone. You underestimate the contribution and sacrifice of the Western allies, who gave the nearly collapsed Red Army food, clothing, thousands of vehicles, planes, tanks and other military equipment, that it could carry on the fight (1941-1943). If the second front hadn't been opened and if allies didn't bomb Germany's infrastructure, the USSR couldn't been able to achieve victory. That you lost more soldiers than others, is the result of dumb military leadership.
Thats a speculation, and a rather flawed and uneducated one. We haven't simply lost more men, we killed more than two times more Germans then all other allies combined. While LL was of course a factor, it was not in any way, shape or form a deciding factor.
As for bombings against German infrastructure, they only started having real effect with beginning of the day time bombings. Those began just a few weeks before the German 6th army surrendered at Stalingrad (which is there the tide of war has truly turned) and did not have any effect on the outcome of that most decisive battle of the war.
As for the second front, if you mean Normandy, the Allies showed up to the party late, Germany was already doomed at that point, it simply sped things along a bit.
You lost more men, because Red Army soldier was poorly trained and for butchesrs like Koniev and Žukov human life didn't mean anything. It hasn't changed, look at Tchetchen or Afganistan wars. There hasn't been one incident, that NATO's armored column was ambushed and completely whiped out, or some retarded general sends armored brigade in to the city center without any infantry support. Taking hilltops with airborne troops, knowing that only 25% of them will survive.
Well, fancy that, I agree with you, its a high time for our generals to be lined up against a wall in front of a firing squad for incompetence. You might have heard, Russian army is currently undergoing wide structural reform. But how is that relevant to what we're talking about? Did I try to deny that we've lost more men? I stated that we killed a lot more Germans then all other allies combined, and thus were the main contributing factor in the victory over Nazi Germany.
Не стоит метать бисер перед свиньями. Горбатых нацистов только могила исправит. Пусть исполнится их мечта, встреча с их кумиром Адольфом Алоизычем в аду.
Так оно и есть земляк, особенно в ситуации со шпротами, они хлюпкий и тугодумный народец. Когда их дрючишь, начинаешь их даже жалеть....вот те добрая русская душа! :-)
Да уж, вылитые шпроты. Имеют счастье жить в тесной, но в независимой банке, лишь бы маслице присутствовало. Сами маленькие, невзрачные и все как один безголовые. А когда их едят, они даже не чирикнут.
Great Estonains that give their life for a free nation agaistn the sick ideology that was communis they will be forever heroes they deserve a monuments like this
Sampolit, miks võtsite maha video Eesti Politseist ?
etplayah 7 months ago
klaasist ehk sama õrn nagu meie vabadus? lubage naerda. kaitske jah natot ja eud, tänu kellele pole me mitte modagi savutanud. okei eu on siia raha ka sisse pumbanud omajagu aga ärge arvake et see lihtsalt heast tatest meile kingitakse.
nato on meie riigi kaitsevõimet ainult vähendanud siiamaani. miljardid kroonid lähevad mingisugustele "kohustustele" liitlaste ees ja ostetakse ilma igasuguse relvastuseta PLASTIKUST laevu. toimub eesti kaitsevõime tahtlik nõrgendamine
white14estonia 2 years ago
naljakas on lugeda siin igasuguste "waffenite"ja "estlandite" kommentaare. kiruvad venelasi ja samas kaitsevad eu-d ja nato-t, kes reaalsuses on samasugused jobud nagu venelased. ärge arvake, et naatod ja eud pole meile sitta keeranud.. on ikka küll ja keeravad veel. eriti naljakas on see, et selle samba ehitasid tšehhid ja selle samba peal on märk, mida kasutasid eesti leegioni mehed. kas keegi teist "tšehhi põrgust" on midagi kuulnud?euroopa liit kui rahvuste hävitaja tuleb elimineerida
white14estonia 2 years ago
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granskare 2 years ago
videol pole häda midagi 5+ minu poolt!
manikase27 2 years ago
muidu on ilus ja korrektiivne monumend. aga ehitus toimus siiski vene keeles. oleks pidanud eestlased tunneli ja kogu selle betooni väljaku tegema lasta. omaseid tuleks rohkem toetada. kui kuradi türklasi ja mingid maha jäänud vankaseid.
manikase27 2 years ago
"Of course", lol (what a joker)
- you fear us
- we are stronger than you
- better than you
- you are a bunch of crawling insects
- you're not worth our attention
WRONG!!! ON EVERY POINT.
And best of all YOU KNOW it to be so.
BTW, even children are singing; evil wolf who would fear. Believe me, the blood that runs in Estonian veins is far more stout than the poison in yours and alike.
obuBBubo 2 years ago 2
this is a good film, to show the 20 years anniversary and then the building of this edifice...very well done!
granskare 2 years ago 2
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Russia has won Hitler, the USA have won Japan, and Estonia struggles with monuments. It is a great victory, really. So to hold!
Maksim605 2 years ago
Like there is no monuments in Russia and USA. freedom war is sacred to Estonians, but yeah, I don't know how much we needed this monument, we already have one.
xxxrrrxxxrrr 2 years ago
Russia struggles with feeding its hungry, maintaining its decaying infrastructure and caring for its elderly. It continues to struggle with decades-long social and economic failure.
You apparently don't know anything about this Estonian monument. It commemorates Estonia's military victory over Russia/Communism during World War I. It was a great victory and we enjoy remembering and celebrating it.
We believe in freedom for all people including our Russians friends.
austinlights 2 years ago
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In Russia for a long time is not present poverty, especially hunger. And what ass is in Estonia during crisis and as the West Europe has sent you far away with all your entreaties about the help, is a popular fact) "Estonia's military victory over Russia"? You possibly don't know what is a military victory)
After monument pulling down, you have no any friends in Russia. Can lick further an ass to the West and to ask them to throw any bone from their table.
Maksim605 2 years ago
Well, I visited Saint Petersburg about a year ago and I have to say, that I expected more. The city hasn't seen almost any renovation since the collapse of the Soviet Union. There is almost no middle class in Russia, there's no hunger, but there's nothing to cheer about as well.
Estonia and Lithuana are doing quite well actually, the Latvians are in trouble, thanks to their large Russian minority. That you get your "facts" from state controlled Russian news agencies, isn't really an argument.
20thWaffenGrenadier 2 years ago
Russia has won Hitler?
But today the Russians need to BUY visa to Europe in contradistinction to the Germans who are in Schengen. Is not it FUNNY? The Germans may freely travel around Europe in contradistinction to the Russians. BTW about Estonia: You are only nation around who need to beseech for Estonian visa. You are loosers of Europe (look at your country) so I do not understand what are you laughing at.
Do you still call it victory? День Победы :-))))
katerinskahora 2 years ago
It maybe funny to you, but its rather irrelevant to us, we're not asslickers, we're not measuring our victory by how many international borders we can cross without a visa. We are the single most militarily powerful state in Europe, and the last European nation that didn't surrender its balls to the Americans. I am looking at my country, its wonderful. :-)
Medved109 2 years ago
I am looking at my country, its wonderful. :-)
watch?v=e9ipVo10mf0
watch?v=3M5meHDhLXI&feature=related
Only the russians think it is wonderful.
katerinskahora 2 years ago
Russians live in it, so who cares what anyone else things? :-) You found a couple of videos and you're trying to present them as representing life for majority of people in Russia? Thats complete and utter horseshit, buddy. :-) Life in our country is in fact wonderful, much less dull then in most other places.
Medved109 2 years ago
I've been to Estonia once in the 90s, its nothing special, those Nazies can all burn to hell and that won't make the slightest bit of impact on anything. Irrelevant, completely irrelevant, kinda like your own country. :-)
Medved109 2 years ago
I visited St. Petersburg last year. The city was in awful shape, despite some pakazuha. Beautiful buildings ruined, no renovation, bad roads, unmotivated cops. You can see a Gucci shop, next to it bums going through trash cans, 4 parked cars, 1 Bentley and 3 old LADA's. That's your problem, you have no middle class. By the way, being anti Russain, doesn't make you a nazie and we have reasons to be anti Russian. Neo-nazies and skinheads are Russias problem, not ours!
20thWaffenGrenadier 2 years ago
Dude, yeah I've seen you use that whole little story a couple of times....but it is kinda bullshit though, being that I lived in St.Petersburg. We have a middle class, I am middle class, all my friends are middle class, most people I associate with are middle class. You obviously know nothing about our country. You're not just anti-Russian (as retarded as that is), you also got kids even here on youtube Hailing Hitler and yelling White Power with all the other idiots.
Medved109 2 years ago
A bit of a grammatic error there, I still DO live in St.Petersburg, thats why you're going to have to forgive me but I am not going to take that little story of yours seriously.
Medved109 2 years ago
Skinheads usualy are troubled kids and like with any minority, they're loud and want to make their voices heard. Neo-nazie movement in Estonia is pretty pathetic. In Russia on the other hand, Rossia dla Ruskih is becoming a big problem. Now, I really visited St. Petersburg last year and comparing it to Tallinn nowdays, it's a dirty city and could use a lot of renovation. And like you Russians say: "Moskva i Piter ešo ne Rossia".
20thWaffenGrenadier 2 years ago
Eh you got a bit of a mix up in terminology friend. "Rossiya dlya russkih" is a slogan, Slavic Union and others like it are organizations/movements. I've been to Talinn in 99, I didn't notice that much different. St.Petersburg is actually rather clean, lots of roads have been repaired because of the G8 summit, the old buildings are being restored. As for renovation..this is St.Petersburg, we don't want new buildings in the center. Moskva is not Russia, Piter is.
Medved109 2 years ago
You sound like a reasonable person. Tell me something please. If you want to become a Russian citizen, you should learn Russian language, adopt Russian culture and mentality, right??? Why should it be any different in the Baltics???
That we are not "thankful" for the Soviet occupation and deportation of our people doesn't make us nazies or fashists!!
20thWaffenGrenadier 2 years ago
Well I do agree that Russians living in the Baltics have a choice to make, they can either be patriots of Russia and go back to Russia or they should learn the language of the country they're living in.
Medved109 2 years ago
As for everything else, its a difficult situation, I can see your side of the argument, but the problem is that while it makes sense given the circumstance, our own viewpoint of the events will always go into conflict with yours. Add to that that unlike with some of our other neighbors (Ukraine, Georgia) we have absolutely nothing in common with people of the Baltic states, so all that results in the current negative image of Baltic people in the minds of Russians.
Medved109 2 years ago
Not to say that a negative image of Ukrainians and Georgians doesn't exist, but those images distributed by the government aren't swallowed as easily by the masses because many, many people in Russia had personal interaction with people of those countries and simply know better.
Medved109 2 years ago
@Medved109
Estonia in the 90s, ha. Estonia has improved more in 20 years sincee 1991 than Russia. Russia is still just like the evil Soviet Union, only now they call theirselves democratic while any journalist or a person doesn't like Putin gets murdered. Estonia is nazi? Your so retarded if your say something like that. Estonia is ranked 4 in the press freedom rankings, Russia is ranked 153. There are hundreds of reports of Russian neo-nazis killing immigrants in Russia every year.
walkingwhilesleeping 2 years ago 13
@walkingwhilesleeping you can not compare Russia with Estonia. GDP of Estonia is not 10 % of Moscow City... Estonia is part of EU and do not have naighbours like China, Georgia etc... Estonia is taking billions of benefits from EU etc... it makes no sence to compare Russian-Problems with Estonian Problems.. Estonia is for sure not Nazi but small like...
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
@Medved109
Interesting fact is that 70 % of all crimes in Estonia are commited by the Russian immigrants. They deny the history, they deny the occupation of Estonia and they don't learn the Estonian language while living here for their whole life. Then they wonder why they are not accepted by Estonians. Estonia is much better than Russia, a country that isn't democratic and free. People aren't even free.
walkingwhilesleeping 2 years ago
@walkingwhilesleeping interesting that 70% of all Estonians love to work in difrient EU Countries and participate in reducing payroll in this countries. Interesting that Moscow is producing 10 times more GDP than Estonia.. in other words.. Estonia is just one district of Moscow City.. not more.. Estonia is participating in Afghanistan War.. and making exactly the same the USSR did in 80`s...
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
Then why most of Russians still praise Hitler? Most of the wannabe nazi organisations are in Russia. Your nation is so pathetic they dont even care that most of theyr soldiers died because of Axis troops. And thats why you dont deserve to be given any respect.
GottesEstland88 2 years ago
The only reason that the russians still praise Hitler is because russians love violence! even their young people like violence - they have no clean ideas about anything - they just like to cause trouble
sooviktr 2 years ago
Don't worry shprot, respect from your pathetic kind is completely and utterly worthless. :-) We don't need anyone's respect, or encouragement, you're all mere insects at our feet. :-) And aren't you a neo-nazi? Hypocrite.
Medved109 2 years ago
Of course you dont need respect. You are all Putins bitches anyway. Stupit alcoholic drinkers. Ans stop using smiles it makes you look very stupit.
GottesEstland88 2 years ago
In whose eyes? :-) Yours? You're an utter moron, buddy, and as I've said you are completely irrelevant.:-)
Medved109 2 years ago
I dont need poems about Russia that are black lie like poison. I dont need to use smiles like my 7 year old son does. Live your life Russian and shut up. Most of the world hates you. Live with it.
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Medved109 2 years ago
Shprot, learn the English language, its really simple and it will make it easier for your new masters to order you around. I use smileys because there is just no better way in text-form to represent my amusement at how pathetic you are.:-) Its substitute for a tone of voice. Of course you hate us, you fear us, we are stronger than you, better than you. :-) And we don't care, you're just a bunch of crawling insects, you're not worth our attention so we allow you to exist.)))
Medved109 2 years ago
We hate you but we dont fear you. You fear Nato and that means also us. You fear that west is a threath to your pathetic nation. And speaking about learning languages most Russians in Estonia cant even speak Estonian. Though they have lived there many years. For us you are like empty air.
GottesEstland88 2 years ago 3
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Lol, we do not fear you or NATO, NATO is simply an adversary, and not all nations in NATO are equal, not at all. Neither do we hate you, you're not our equal, you're far below us, there is no reason to hate you. But yes, you fear us, and you don't even hide it.))) They don't learn Estonian, because they don't want to, because they feel superior to you and they should, because they are.)))
Medved109 2 years ago
Local Russians, who don't want to learn Estonian, because they feel superior to us, can always leave. Remember, they where uninvited in the first place.
20thWaffenGrenadier 2 years ago 3
Small and insignificant as we are, we're still a nation and have every right to be independent. Small countries have to pick sides. On one side there are US & EU, who have been friendly and sympathetic towards us, one the other side there is arrogant Russia, with its agressive foreign policy, who's constantly meddling in our domestic affairs. Bottom line is, that you can't force anybody into friendship. You can call us Americas bitch or whatever you like, we don't care as well.
20thWaffenGrenadier 2 years ago
@Medved109
i'm pretty sure that russia had always rulers from other lands .. right now that mystical land is called FSB
klaabu99 1 year ago
@klaabu99 look, care for your own dirt. It makes sence to remember all this Russian, German and Polish LandOwners who did lose there property because of this Estonian Independence.. therefor care for your own Country and dont say shit about Russia, as you do not have the right to talk about it
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
@Gintoxiccc there were mostly only german landowner and they got compensation for it ... and still keep some land
klaabu99 1 year ago
@Gintoxiccc
landowners(mostly germans but also few russians) got at least some compensation for land and not all land was taken away from them and they had right to keep their buildings ... but how it was in russia ... only compensation what they got for their property was bullet and that only it they were lucky
so i guess u are the one who have no right to talk about it
klaabu99 1 year ago
@klaabu99 half nonsense, my great-grandfather did buy in 1902 approx. 1 km2 in your country from two noble Germans who did not pay there bills in Petersburg, 1920`s remained only three Hektars. He sold the remaining soil very fast because his family from Petersburg had to flee and the rents were high. Differently from the Bolshevik they (white-Estonians) however, at least very seldom did not beat dead. Just 101 cases of murder writen down of murder from white-estonians against baltic german.
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
@Gintoxiccc to compare... bolzhevik-estonian murders... 405 and Army Judenytsh 101
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
@Gintoxiccc
i didn't said that compensation was fair but at least landowners got some ..
i don't remember it but it seems like landowners who supported estonian goverment in independence war keeped most of their lands ..
btw where did u get these numbers??
klaabu99 1 year ago
@klaabu99 The Protestant municipalities of Livlands made a listing and taken by the Deutschbalten against the Latvian state in 20`s Geneva.
Besides it was not fairly but in today's jurisdiction crime. As German one must have been goofy to support the Estonians at those days, differently than the Latvians the property was taken already immediately . In masses the Germans emigrated as a result of this huge lost to Reichsdeutschland. Crime of the Estonian-White and red.
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
@Gintoxiccc
germans were still landowners and 1939 when russians came so i don't know where u get u facts .. of course they didn't had so much land as they had before 1917 .. but they kept most of their property ... land was taken away for very small compensation ... but they kept their factories ...
klaabu99 1 year ago
@klaabu99 Nonsense, reads please once western history books. 1) land ownership was reduced about 90% 1918-1921 in Estonia, town ownership about 10%. My roots are baltic-german our association has all data. Tell this your tourists you can not fool me
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
@Gintoxiccc
as i said land wasn't taken away .. they got very small compensation for it ... The last owner of the Saka Manor from the end of the 19th century up to the distribution of the lands of the manor to peasants was Hermann von Lövis of Menar who left for Germany in 1939 with his whole family.
at 1919 freshly established estonian goverment had only one thing to offer for people - land and there was no other place to get it .. and i never said that compensation was fair
klaabu99 1 year ago
@klaabu99 it was crime, fair is difrient.. and thats why you should make a monument for all this germans who lost there property after independece for the sake of this republic. I know its hard, but even small Estonia did make crime, and there is properly no people in Europe who made no crime.
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
@klaabu99 It also makes no difference like Rosenberg said, a compatriot of you. If people are too weak, they should earn nothing than there destruction. So finaly baltic germans lost and died.
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
@Gintoxiccc they lost because their wanted too much .. but not all baltic germans supported landeswehr .. some in estonia supported estonian goverment too ..
i'm not sure but lot of germans lost their property earlier .. lot earlier .. when they leave to germany ...
btw if they think it was crime that estonian goverment took their land from them then u can demand it back now ...
klaabu99 1 year ago
@klaabu99 In 1915/1916 the most capital and capital good was taken by the Russian government. In 1917 the nobility lost tax privileges and payroll, in 1918-1921 most of property and everything that remained in 1922 was taken from bourgeoisie in 1939 by Germany to pay out Stalin.
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
@klaabu99 The situation for a German was quite bad. The SPD government had betrayed the compatriots in the Baltic States, every hope for beeing part of germany died, the Landeswehr was the last hope of the German population. The last saved and hidden capital was given and after the defeat and the ultimatum of the west powers resigned the nobility and bourgeoisie.
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
@Gintoxiccc i'm not sure but landeswehr was only allowed to fight agains bolsheviks but they decided that baltics belong to them .. and they were financed by britain and they were asked to stop all activities against estonia .. but they decided still to fight and they lost ... so there is nothing to do .. estonians did what was done everywhere over europe .. winner take s everything
klaabu99 1 year ago
@klaabu99 i do have this contract on my desktop.. its evidence of the crime Hitler and Stalin made vs baltic people and nations. Can sent you if you like
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
@Gintoxiccc
i belive u about that contract ... but i don't think stalin waited until 45 to send germans to siberia .. first loaded trains from estonia were sent before war .. i belive germans were on these too .. or u mean that after war there was still 770 germans left in estonia??
klaabu99 1 year ago
@klaabu99 In Hitler Stalin pact the forced migration was regulated clearly. Not a single German was deported in 1940/41 by Stalin, but was evacuated to Germany. Few Germans in Estonia have remained in 1945, long after the Soviets Estonia took again, the order of deportation come. These were mostly mixed marriages.
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
@Gintoxiccc
at july 1940 were arrested most of people who worked in estonian police .. estonian border guards and estonian army were removed earlier ... police was last threat to soviet goverment
klaabu99 1 year ago
@klaabu99 In 39/40 the forced migration was organised well. The Estonian border guard gave the Expatrioation to the Germans and he signed, went on the ship. But when in 1940 the Soviets marched in panic started with the remained Germans and the evacuation was organised by the German Embasy in Reval. The German Embasy did force the Germans to sign the document otherwise no way inside the vessel.. the Estonian border guards allready lost contol 40/41 of the borders of the harbour .
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
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@Gintoxiccc
i belive u about that contract... but i don't think stalin waited until 45 to send germans to siberia .. first loaded trains from estonia were sent before war .. i belive germans were on these too .. or u mean that after war there was still 770 germans left in estonia??
klaabu99 1 year ago
@klaabu99 Besides there is an international law complaint of 1925, the national court in Genve has said clearly. The land reform was legal. According to the European convention of human rights the principle of the membership of a state is valid in the convention. Estonia has ratified only in the late 90s years the convention, therefore an expropriation is not-valid after ratification, not later.. any-way i dont want. If you never stop this history of bad stories you end up with war after war
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
@Gintoxiccc 1925 ... and wait a minute u started that complaining .. i just know that some who left estonia at 1939 got their property back .. i don't say that estonians didn't comitted any crimes or warcrimes ... we are only humans ..
klaabu99 1 year ago
@klaabu99 Maybe Jews, Poles, Russians, Estonians. There was one contract between Estonia and Germany. Any german who left to Germany had to give his property one company with shareholders 60% germany, 20% Latvia and 20% Estonia. 1940 this company was cashed out to Stalin, he got it for shippments of Oil and Iron to germany the years befor and months after. There are 770 germans who did not leave Estonia and Stalin sent them 1945 to Sibiria.. Maybe parts of them who got there property back
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
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klaabu99 1 year ago
@Gintoxiccc btw 557 germans were deported on 1945 not 770 ...
and on 1941 13 germans were deported
klaabu99 1 year ago
@klaabu99 on my list (Deutsch/Baltischer Verein+ evangelische Kirche-Flüchtlingsregister) 770 where deported, i will see the documents, somtimes you have to see the seconde name, dont forget after 1918 a lot of germans from Petersburg and parts of Poland did leave Russia or new-Poland and did settle to Estonia or Latvia. Many of them did count like Russian Passport-holders and somtimes allready had russian family-names. Maybe this is the difrience between 1945 and 557.. this 13 are interesting
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
@klaabu99 There was a contract between Estonia/Latvia and Germany. A company was founded, the property of Germans who left was taken. Every time a German left he had to sign two things. Once he lost his Estonian/Latvian citizenship and his property/wealth was transferred to this company. Then this company was used by Hitler to pay his raw material debts to Stalin in 1940/1941.. This criminal was using his own nation.. Estonia did not win in it, was forced to accept this.
Gintoxiccc 1 year ago
Russia didn't achieve victory alone. You underestimate the contribution and sacrifice of the Western allies, who gave the nearly collapsed Red Army food, clothing, thousands of vehicles, planes, tanks and other military equipment, that it could carry on the fight (1941-1943). If the second front hadn't been opened and if allies didn't bomb Germany's infrastructure, the USSR couldn't been able to achieve victory. That you lost more soldiers than others, is the result of dumb military leadership.
20thWaffenGrenadier 2 years ago
Thats a speculation, and a rather flawed and uneducated one. We haven't simply lost more men, we killed more than two times more Germans then all other allies combined. While LL was of course a factor, it was not in any way, shape or form a deciding factor.
Medved109 2 years ago
As for bombings against German infrastructure, they only started having real effect with beginning of the day time bombings. Those began just a few weeks before the German 6th army surrendered at Stalingrad (which is there the tide of war has truly turned) and did not have any effect on the outcome of that most decisive battle of the war.
Medved109 2 years ago
As for the second front, if you mean Normandy, the Allies showed up to the party late, Germany was already doomed at that point, it simply sped things along a bit.
Medved109 2 years ago
You lost more men, because Red Army soldier was poorly trained and for butchesrs like Koniev and Žukov human life didn't mean anything. It hasn't changed, look at Tchetchen or Afganistan wars. There hasn't been one incident, that NATO's armored column was ambushed and completely whiped out, or some retarded general sends armored brigade in to the city center without any infantry support. Taking hilltops with airborne troops, knowing that only 25% of them will survive.
20thWaffenGrenadier 2 years ago
Well, fancy that, I agree with you, its a high time for our generals to be lined up against a wall in front of a firing squad for incompetence. You might have heard, Russian army is currently undergoing wide structural reform. But how is that relevant to what we're talking about? Did I try to deny that we've lost more men? I stated that we killed a lot more Germans then all other allies combined, and thus were the main contributing factor in the victory over Nazi Germany.
Medved109 2 years ago
To Maksim605.
Не стоит метать бисер перед свиньями. Горбатых нацистов только могила исправит. Пусть исполнится их мечта, встреча с их кумиром Адольфом Алоизычем в аду.
CHIEFFRUS 2 years ago
Могила то их исправит, да вот чё то не сдохнут ни как(((
Maksim605 2 years ago
Ничего, наше дело правое, победа будет за нами! Так было и будет всегда.
CHIEFFRUS 2 years ago
Так оно и есть земляк, особенно в ситуации со шпротами, они хлюпкий и тугодумный народец. Когда их дрючишь, начинаешь их даже жалеть....вот те добрая русская душа! :-)
Medved109 2 years ago
Да уж, вылитые шпроты. Имеют счастье жить в тесной, но в независимой банке, лишь бы маслице присутствовало. Сами маленькие, невзрачные и все как один безголовые. А когда их едят, они даже не чирикнут.
CHIEFFRUS 2 years ago
Excellent and uplifting film !
These people gave their lives in the struggle against Soviet tyranny .
They will never be forgotten.
swordjumper 2 years ago 4
Jälle üks huvitav film, tubli töö!
5+
Rand0911 2 years ago
Great work, I thought that a different movie was supposed to come out first, still great work as always, can't wait for your next project.
Thanks and Good Luck !
AinEstonia 2 years ago 2
Great Estonains that give their life for a free nation agaistn the sick ideology that was communis they will be forever heroes they deserve a monuments like this
ImperialGuard9001 2 years ago 10
Järjekordne hea töö. Jõudu teile.
nool3265 2 years ago 3