this is sad, just a bunch of greedy and elitist suits behind office making up lies to make more money. in the meanwhile, the american public and citizens of other countries are the ones feeling the pain.
@lucirz - 9--11 was the same as Gulf of Tonkin. Regardless of who did it, CIA or Mossad the result was achieved, Massive war on muslim lands with no basis and no evidence of hostile actions on the part of these nations.
@joey22306 lol jus putting two and two together, shit was fishey fron the star, they said bin ladden and his goons brought down the towers< then why did we give him a two month head start before we moved ne troops to afganistan and still fighting a war in iraq
@50poiuyt Most South Vietnamese like Americans and still want Americans to be present in Vietnam as U.S represent democracy and prosperity. Only stupid communists, puppets for China and Soviet who brought poverty, tyranny, dictatorship...to Vietnam, Cuba, North Korea. Dumb, stupid communist!
Both McNamara and General Giap eventually admitted there was no "second attack". McNamara himself was confusing about the incident. Only Lyndon B. Johnson and his hawkish allies were so convinced and manipulating the resolution in his favours. History has repeated itself in Iraq - 2003. The greatest democracy in the world is also the dirtiest!.
Know one thing, americans will pay for all abuse they ve commited to the world ... and we are going to enjoy it so much when they are begging us for mercy.
"IF CERTAINS ACTS AND VIOLATIONS OF TREATIES ARE CRIMES, THEY ARE CRIMES WHETHER THE UNITED STATES DOES THEM OR WHETHER GERMANY DOES THEM. WE ARE NOT PREPARED TO LAY DOWN A RULE OF CRIMINAL CONDUCT AGAINST OTHERS WHICH WE WOULD NOT BE WILLING TO HAVE INVOKED AGAINST US."
— Justice Robert H. Jackson, Chief Prosecutor, Nuremberg War Crimes Trials
"How many times is the American people going to be suckered into a war, without asking the necessary questions, and without demanding the answers, first? "
I served on the USS Turner Joy, TDY, a couple of years after this incident and some of the crew that were there in Aug. 4th were still there. NO ONE believed that they were attacked on that day. However, the N. Vietnamese Komar missle boats were surely powerful enough to have sunk both destroyers if they had tried. They are basically PT boats with two large anti-ship missles mounted on each gunnel.
It was the general who defeated Hitler who warned America of the Military-Industrialist Complex. He had decades long experience working with and against fascists and later became POTUS. It was IKE who said that he despised the futility and stupidty of war. The NEOCONS will control all of the wealth of America and all of the power by keeping America in continual war. That was the same goal that Hitler had. Neocons are neofascists without the anti-semitism.
To believe that North Vietnamese gunboats would have taken on the U.S Navy without provocation is to give the leaders in Hanoi too little credit for their sense of self preservation.
Actually they were provocing the hell out of them with CIA organized raids against NVA coastal installations that the Maddox was supporting. That's why they expected an attack. But those sly communists didn't rise to the bait. No problem! LBJ & the Big Mac just declared an attack anyway.
And you thought the arrest wouldn't stick because you weren't holding when you were busted?
How many times is the American people going to be suckered into a war, without asking the necessary questions, and without demanding the answers, first?
Can you imagine if secret recordings would be made of Bush,Cheney,Dumsfeld,ASScroft etc. over the past few years? That would have made Nixon and Johnson tapes seem like church hymns..LOL. DEATH TO ALL NEOCONS!
At my age, i was in the thick of all that Golf of Tonkin business. When LBJ says kill some of 'em!: that about says it. I was definitely from over here, but i was also certainly one of them. There is a specific difficulty with sending no voters to die, since they can only vote with their feet. i remember the day i was going to the library and i had a uniformed enforcer try to beat my skull in from behind. Good thing i knew how to run..
1954 - The French and their Vietnamese oopnents agreed that Vietnam was be divided into North and South until elections were held. The USA opposed this agreement and certain elements tried to bring about a war. 1964 - Gulf of Tonkin incident organised by the USA.
Von Giap won French Foreigh Legion and Green Barets
- he is one of the greatest generals of all time.
I admire Vietnamese people. They were terrorised by FRENCH and AMERICAN COLONIALISM + ( n USA case FASCISM). We were terrorized by USSR. When Finnish soldier died in Winter War - he killed about 8 Soviets before he died.
9/11 anyone?
bangmeister 6 days ago
Senator Morse is a hero and true American Patriot. God Bless him.
390bullitt1968 1 week ago
Well said Senator Wayne Morse.
kakompo 7 months ago
this is sad, just a bunch of greedy and elitist suits behind office making up lies to make more money. in the meanwhile, the american public and citizens of other countries are the ones feeling the pain.
fuck these politicians
lucirz 1 year ago
@lucirz - 9--11 was the same as Gulf of Tonkin. Regardless of who did it, CIA or Mossad the result was achieved, Massive war on muslim lands with no basis and no evidence of hostile actions on the part of these nations.
390bullitt1968 1 week ago
9/11 was probably no different.
joey22306 1 year ago
@joey22306 lol jus putting two and two together, shit was fishey fron the star, they said bin ladden and his goons brought down the towers< then why did we give him a two month head start before we moved ne troops to afganistan and still fighting a war in iraq
TheJd5950 1 year ago
Who doesn't know that the Tonkin incident was false other the idiot and/or extreme rightwing delusional douchebags.
majordbag2 1 year ago
You see, opium war. Not a communism war.
Afghanistan, opium war. Not a terrorism war.
"ism" wars do NOT exist.
cancanbiker 1 year ago
The war crime of Yanks in VN was the most disgusting in the last half 20th century
50poiuyt 1 year ago
@50poiuyt Most South Vietnamese like Americans and still want Americans to be present in Vietnam as U.S represent democracy and prosperity. Only stupid communists, puppets for China and Soviet who brought poverty, tyranny, dictatorship...to Vietnam, Cuba, North Korea. Dumb, stupid communist!
traninfo 1 year ago
@traninfo Kiss communist's ass ,loser !
50poiuyt 1 year ago
@50poiuyt Every year VN communists come to US and kiss American ass begging for money, help and investment...Who are losers now? Loser! Hahaha.
traninfo 1 year ago
@traninfo Liếm máu lồn cho CS
50poiuyt 1 year ago
Both McNamara and General Giap eventually admitted there was no "second attack". McNamara himself was confusing about the incident. Only Lyndon B. Johnson and his hawkish allies were so convinced and manipulating the resolution in his favours. History has repeated itself in Iraq - 2003. The greatest democracy in the world is also the dirtiest!.
lenz0101 1 year ago
Know one thing, americans will pay for all abuse they ve commited to the world ... and we are going to enjoy it so much when they are begging us for mercy.
OrkKaiser 2 years ago
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Google these
• Kali Tal Nicholas Turse
• Vietnam: American Holocaust - Bombing Vietnam
• Agent Orange - Vietnam journeymanpictures
• Karen Stuhldreher rape in vietnam
• Read Bob Greene's "Homecoming"
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shillyshallyz 2 years ago
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"IF CERTAINS ACTS AND VIOLATIONS OF TREATIES ARE CRIMES, THEY ARE CRIMES WHETHER THE UNITED STATES DOES THEM OR WHETHER GERMANY DOES THEM. WE ARE NOT PREPARED TO LAY DOWN A RULE OF CRIMINAL CONDUCT AGAINST OTHERS WHICH WE WOULD NOT BE WILLING TO HAVE INVOKED AGAINST US."
— Justice Robert H. Jackson, Chief Prosecutor, Nuremberg War Crimes Trials
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shillyshallyz 2 years ago 5
we have a history of lying to go to war with a third world country. see how great government is???
SpangledStars 2 years ago 6
911 was a inside job. 5 mossad agents were seen filming the twin towers 1 hor ago.
rahul2col 3 years ago
"How many times is the American people going to be suckered into a war, without asking the necessary questions, and without demanding the answers, first? "
Amen to that...well said.
wille64 4 years ago 3
wow...I hadn't heard about this before, thanks for sending me this link Ly.
vocalbrush 4 years ago
Do you think they'll do the Iranians like a gulf of tonkin 2? We do have 2 carrier battlegroups there.. scary times.
lyden2006 4 years ago
I served on the USS Turner Joy, TDY, a couple of years after this incident and some of the crew that were there in Aug. 4th were still there. NO ONE believed that they were attacked on that day. However, the N. Vietnamese Komar missle boats were surely powerful enough to have sunk both destroyers if they had tried. They are basically PT boats with two large anti-ship missles mounted on each gunnel.
exenrontexas 4 years ago
Think they'll pull the same things with Iran?
lyden2006 4 years ago
It was the general who defeated Hitler who warned America of the Military-Industrialist Complex. He had decades long experience working with and against fascists and later became POTUS. It was IKE who said that he despised the futility and stupidty of war. The NEOCONS will control all of the wealth of America and all of the power by keeping America in continual war. That was the same goal that Hitler had. Neocons are neofascists without the anti-semitism.
exenrontexas 4 years ago
You sir are correct.
Are we to forget that the first war crime charged at Nuremberg was waging aggressive war? I think we both know where I'm going with this.
lyden2006 4 years ago
Absolutely right.
ImaginationBlue 3 years ago
To believe that North Vietnamese gunboats would have taken on the U.S Navy without provocation is to give the leaders in Hanoi too little credit for their sense of self preservation.
MalteseFalcon786 4 years ago
Actually they were provocing the hell out of them with CIA organized raids against NVA coastal installations that the Maddox was supporting. That's why they expected an attack. But those sly communists didn't rise to the bait. No problem! LBJ & the Big Mac just declared an attack anyway.
And you thought the arrest wouldn't stick because you weren't holding when you were busted?
clayclai 4 years ago
@clayclai - Good Post. JFK tried to stop this conflict. That was part of the reason he was taken out.
390bullitt1968 1 week ago
This is a must-see!!
Proteus42222 4 years ago
How many times is the American people going to be suckered into a war, without asking the necessary questions, and without demanding the answers, first?
BrosaJarlen 4 years ago
Can you imagine if secret recordings would be made of Bush,Cheney,Dumsfeld,ASScroft etc. over the past few years? That would have made Nixon and Johnson tapes seem like church hymns..LOL. DEATH TO ALL NEOCONS!
Methadone4Life 4 years ago
At my age, i was in the thick of all that Golf of Tonkin business. When LBJ says kill some of 'em!: that about says it. I was definitely from over here, but i was also certainly one of them. There is a specific difficulty with sending no voters to die, since they can only vote with their feet. i remember the day i was going to the library and i had a uniformed enforcer try to beat my skull in from behind. Good thing i knew how to run..
hypnofan35 4 years ago
I remember that,although most Americans usually called it "war",it was termed referred to as a "police action" by the White House.
Suz45 4 years ago
History always repeats itself...only because we allow it!! Peace!
TuathadaDanaan 4 years ago
1954 - The French and their Vietnamese oopnents agreed that Vietnam was be divided into North and South until elections were held. The USA opposed this agreement and certain elements tried to bring about a war. 1964 - Gulf of Tonkin incident organised by the USA.
indulf 4 years ago
Von Giap won French Foreigh Legion and Green Barets
- he is one of the greatest generals of all time.
I admire Vietnamese people. They were terrorised by FRENCH and AMERICAN COLONIALISM + ( n USA case FASCISM). We were terrorized by USSR. When Finnish soldier died in Winter War - he killed about 8 Soviets before he died.
wwwPNACATTACKcom 4 years ago
You know, This might be more beleivable, If you didn't add your own edited comments.
JDoggie65 4 years ago
NSC, and National Security Act 1947 = reason of fascism and terrorism since. Fascism started earlier.
wwwPNACATTACKcom 4 years ago
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wwwPNACATTACKcom 4 years ago
wow false flag war just like iraq imperialism is on the rise big brother truly wants to destroy democracy
maxamillion144 4 years ago
Since 1947 by USA
wwwPNACATTACKcom 4 years ago