You can't just pray the gay away, you have to pray and turn to Jesus and you have to make the change in your life. God is there to take the burden away, but you have to make the choice to live right, whether it feels right or not. It didn't feel right for me not to drink because I was an alcoholic but that doesn't mean I'm supposed to turn back to what "feels right and natural ". God gave us free will, in this way we must make the choice to change our lives.
Thats all very well to say but it is written in the bible and if you want I will write here the things in the bible that jesus said that are just as rediculous. In case it is reasonable to assume that at least one of the deciples was Gay and in fact several of them probably are including jesus
@coomadoug people have corrupted the bible through the ages but they will never corrupt Jesus because Jesus isn't written in paper he is written in your heart god would never stone you for collecting sticks on Sunday would you stone your child for such a trivial thing... sounds like someone that doesn't agree with god would write that for their own benefit
He speaks truth. But homosexuality will be the last thing we have to worry about when the end comes. The bible tells me that homosexuality, just like many other sins is wrong and will be punished accordingly. Don't try and fit bible the to suit you. Adjust your life to fit the Bible. Sin is sin. No matter how great or small. But Jesus died and rose again so that we all could be saved. He gave his life for all sinners like murders, thieves, prostitutes, and yes, even homosexuals. God is love.
You're a very good-looking guy; have you ever tried gay sex before? I doubt it. Just as you (probably) have no attraction to men, I have no attraction to women. You should realize that homosexuality is not a preference, it is an orientation.
I tried praying the gay away for 12 years and nothing changed. I was forced to face the realization that there is no god, and there's no reason for me to be ashamed of the way I feel towards men.
He used Leviticus because the new testament is the new covenant and considering this statement in Levitucus is restated he could use it (For simplicity just go to Romans)
To explain away homosexuality as not a sin would mean you would have to consciously make yourself not see the obvious facts right in front of you.
Great video. I'm tired of people saying oh you just need to take the bible into context....blah blah blah. It says it more than once so it's surly true. Adam and eve are the greatest example. Thanks.
If you're gonna use leviticus to condemn gays, what about these? Exodus 21:7 says we can sell our daughters into slavery, What is a good price for her? Lev. 15:19-24 states we're not to have relations with women during her menstrual uncleanliness. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. Exodus 35:2 clearly states working on the sabbath is a cause to put anyone working on sunday to death,
Leviticus 20:13 also speaks of the men raping people. 1st Corinthians 6-9 in my Bible says NOTHING about homosexuals. Romans 1 26-28 is also speaking about rape, idol worshiping ect..... I love how this idiot thinks he can use God to back up his lies.
Leviticus 18:22 speaks of the men who were raping other men against their will, the Bible does not say homosexuality is a sin. So if it says we're to be put to death, who is going to kill us gays? The Bible says also "Thou shalt not kill" well right there is a contradiction, God at no point in verse says gay men and women shall die and go to hell.
The Mr. Perfect Matt Slick forced a woman he impregnated to get an abortion. He loves talking about it just ask him. What a wonderful thing for a Christian to do. Way to go Slickster!
The bible forbids: shaving, cursing, telling rude jokes, gossiping, eating lobster, eating pork, touching a woman within 7 days after her period, round haircuts (sorry Beatles), eating or touching anything related to a pig - including their hides, fortune telling, pulling out before you ejaculate, tattoos, mixed fabric like polyester,
divorce, letting men without testicles and/or a penis into church, masturbation, wearing gold or other expensive clothing or jewelry, eating shellfish, and... a wife defending her husband's life in a fight by grabbing the attacker's genitals.
A married couple having intercourse during a woman's period should be put to death, if a married person has sex with someone's husband/wife both should be put to death, if a bride is discovered not to be a virgin, she should be put to death, and sodomy is condemned (anal or oral sex).
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
Marriage is oftentimes undesirable as it distracts from the service of the Lord. You are also not allowed to have sex with angels. Darn. Was really looking forward to that one.
You also can never eat fat, witches should be killed, children of a bastard (child of unmarried parents) cannot enter a church up to the tenth generation, handicapped people are not allowed in church because their presence profanes his sanctuary, women are officially second class citizens and also can be owned, false prophets are to be killed by their own parents, and the parents of a stubborn child must stone their own child.
Good thing everybody knows these and follows them all.
@TheLulio907 Faith is supported by understanding. You don't understand the Bible, nor the verses you quoted, nor the REASON those verses are given, NOR the Covenantal reasons for those verses. You can not use my quote to argue against this video, you are only proving your lack of understanding of the Bible, being unregenerate you only prove 1 Cor 2:14. You must be born again to understand these things. Repent while you are under the grace of God giving you life before He takes it from you.
Well, let's omit any Old Testament verses referring to homosexuality. The Old Testament holds the old laws, which were fulfilled through Christ. In the New Testament, to my knowledge, there are only three references to homosexuality. Let's first look at 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Homosexuals are listed, but no special emphasis is placed on them. They are mentioned simply in passing, almost in a miscellaneous catalog of unacceptable behavior. (continued)
These miscellaneous lists are very common in the New Testament and Christian literature, along with Mesopotamian writings, Egyptian, Greek, etc. They are most commonly shown as stereotypical in nature, throwing out a laundry list of negative behaviors used primarily for rhetorical purpose and with little attention on the individual items. Furthermore, historians believe that authors often took over and adapted such lists from earlier documents. (continued)
So this means that the New Testament writers may not have actually composed these entire lists, but may simply be conventional lists taken (and adapted) from earlier works used in this case for rhetorical purposes. If so, then include how the words can be translated from Greek in 1 Corinthians. Two translations are "male prostitutes" and "sodomites" which may be little more than coincidental now. In any case, it does not single it out, but merely lists it. (continued)
However, in the case of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, they may not be the most appropriate translations of the underlying Greek in the text. The Greek word that has been translated as "male prostitutes" is malakoi (malakos plural). It literally means "soft," as in "soft" bed, but when applied to people, it can mean lazy, self-indulgent, cowardly, lacking in self-control and what not. Applied to males, it generally refers to feminine-like "weaknesses." (continued)
So, men that are regarded as soft, flabby, weak, cowardly, unmanly, or effeminate. But to call a male "effeminate" may or may not imply homosexuality. In some cases, but not all. In the circumstances that it did, it also may refer to the passive or effeminate partner in the relationship. But we can't be in any way certain that malakoi refers to homosexuality as opposed to softness or even effeminacy in some other sense. (continued)
People generally assumed that it does refer to homosexuality in 1 Corinthians mostly because it is next to the term arsenokoitai (defined later on). The assumption is, of course, that the two words are somehow linked in meaning. But that is not at all necessarily the case, as "the greedy" and "drunkards" are adjacent in the list, and it's difficult to find any link between them. Even if malakoi and arsenokoitai are somehow linked... (continued)
@TheLulio907 Greediness and drunkenness are adjacent, however it is NOT difficult to find a link between them, the link is they are sinful acts. Malakoi isn't in a vacuum, it directly precedes arsenokoitas. There is no reference to prostitution here, it is the ACTs that are being rendered, prostitution is not being implied here, but rather the abomination of homosexuality. Effeminacy is being implied here BECAUSE of the word that follows it. I will PM the rest.
...it still isn't clear just how arsenokoitai should be translated. It comes from two Greek words: arsen (male, as opposed to female) and koite (literally meaning bed, but with extension, can be a euphemism for sexual intercourse, as in going to bed). That would suggest the word refers to males who "go to bed" with other males. But many language analysts point out that the meaning of a compound word cannot necessarily be understood by breaking it apart... (continued)
(by breaking it apart)... looking at the meaning of each part, and recombining the meanings. The linguists point out examples like the English word "understand" which as nothing to do with being under, or standing. There are many other examples, but particularly, the vulgar term "mother-f***er." Literally, we know what it means, but when used, it typically does not refer to intercourse with one's mother. My argument can continue in private messages if you wish to continue it.
Not to be contentious, but just as a note, "understand" has to do with comprehension in that a student or listener who stands under a tutor or speaker is able to grasp his/her meaning or substance (another word meaning "stand under"). Bless you
The exact origin is unclear to etymologists. It is suggested that under is not a literal interpretation of beneath, but rather among, or to be close to. One suggestion as to the interpretation of 'stand' is from the Greek phrase, I stand on, often used to say "I know how" or "I know."
Regardless, the point I was making previously was that the immediate literal interpretation is not always correct, as stated by certain linguists.
Jesus doesn't mention it--apparently he views it as an unpleasant subject unworthy of public discussion. Kind of like bank robbery or incest. Something to be kept to one's self, exercising wisdom. No use upsetting the peace of the whole neighborhood, right?
The old testament is the old law. Actually, it shows just what Christ came here and died for. He fullfilled the old law. You can be gay all you want to, no laws against it, but you have to repent and turn your life over to Christ if you want to gain eternal life. I guess a lot of people still want that old law from the old testament around huh? Leviticus 20:13 is always used as a "trump card". I'm a believer in Christ, and I sure dont to see that penalty from that old law. Seeing people SAVED!!
Nobody In The Comment Section Can Or Has Provided Scriptures That State Homosexuality Is Not A Sin,However There R Plenty Of Scriptures That State Homosexuality Is A Sin.So Basically The Pro Homosexuals That Subcribe 2 The Bible R Speaking Purely From An Emotional Standpoint,Rather Than From The Scriptures.And As Far As U Anti Homosexuals U Have A Problem Aswell,Because The Scriptures State That Noone Is Without Sin & Theres Only 1 Sin That Will Not Be Forgiven & That Sin Is Not Homosexuality.
Right, so homosexuality is a sin? Just like any other? and every human sins right? And according to the Bible, all sin is equal and only forgiven by Christ alone through repentance!
I think the social pressures that most homosexuals feel (from the church) come from denial from involvement in the church, under the grounds of "they are sinners and therefore cannot be a part of the leadership team" = This is a huge problem in the church that must be addressed!
So man on man, woman on woman, man on woman, man on multiple woman, all types of fornication, polygamy, etc any sexual things outside the covenant of marriage is a sin. One man and One woman married is the covenant.
All fornication is a sin. Fornication is the act of having marriage outside the covenant of marriage. The covenant of marriage, according to the Messiah, Mark 10:5-8 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh."
I have listened to Arnold Murray for years and he has said many times that there was mostly extreme perversion in Sodom and Gomorrah void of any type of love. It was all sexual lust. They were not in love with the angels. They just wanted their bodies to use!
We love our neighbors, but just as if one of my straight friends proclaims she is a Christian is about to cheat on her husband, I will tell her not to.. because salvation is more important than feeling good, I will also tell my friend how is gay, live for God, and let to of fleshly desires to do what God hates (i.e. sleeping with the same sex)
God hates the sin.. not the sinner
God wants to save the sinner from the sin that will kill
3:30, "...dont compromise your witness for a socially acceptable opinion that is void of Godliness...". That is a profound statement. That is, dont say something just to be politically correct at the cost of sharing God's message.
If Jesus was accepting of homosexuality, why would he say in in Matthew 11:23"And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in SODOM, it would have remained until this day". So in other words, if the Sodomites were righteous, they would not be destroyed. The practise of "homosexuality" is described in Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.”
If Jesus was accepting of homosexuality, why would he say in in Matthew 11:23"And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in SODOM, it would have remained until this day". So in other words, if the Sodomites were righteous, they would not be destroyed. The practise of "homosexuality" is described in Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.”
The Bible also says that women shall not teach man, that a son who swears at his father should be stoned to death, that man should not eat shrimp, that adulterers should be killed, etc.
@t4qesd1 Right. I do not have any religious beliefs, and therefore do not understand the full power of the video. However, you say that homosexuality is a temptation and nothing else, whereas, in truth, it is genetic in that person. If someone was lame due to genetics, you would not tell them to resist temptation and walk. So how can you say this for homosexuality, when it is clearly unavoidable?
I do not believe homosexuality is a sin, or is in any way wrong. So what IS wrong with it?
@oliverw3 If its genetic then its a defect , as there is no future in it and if it were how we were SUPPOSE to be our race would have died out thousands of years ago. Right or wrong are irrelevant , , if its a choice its an illogical one ..if its genetics its a defect . Sodomy is much more likely to spread STD's than vaginal intercourse , so long as a Homosexual male doesn't mate with hetro females its not a threat tho. Its a dead end however no reason to praise it. MTV isn't law
@Wonglow I agree, if it's genetic then it's a defect. But my point was that you can't choose your genetic structure. The video was about homosexuality being wrong, but if God purposefully caused a person to be homosexual, without even a possibility of overcoming it, then how is it wrong?
And are you saying that everyone that can't carry on the human race should be classed as sinners? Because anyone with infertility problems cannot either. Just saying.
@t4qesd1 dmcn basically twists God's words and in my opinion that is just about the worst sin you can commit. so if hes able to twists God's words without fear of being sent to Hell, then he isnt even a Christian to begin with and he has bigger problems than just believing that homosexuality is ok.
@t4qesd1 dmcn will never understand. i've been debating him through personal messages this whole week and he still believes homosexuality is okay. He says to follow God's word yet God never said homosexuality is okay. Maybe you can get through to him. I know i couldnt.
@t4qesd1 Jesus in Mark 7:18-23 chided his disciples for their lack of spiritual understanding and their unquestioning belief in the spiritual leaders of their time.
3) We can stop telling homosexuals that they must make an impossible change to join us on Christ's path. The mistaken belief that homosexuality is sinful has turned hundreds of people away from the salvation they deserve.
The truthful word of God is in the Bible, but Man wrote the Bible, and Man's imperfections are contained therein. It is our responsibility to find God's word in the Bible, and live by it.
I follow God. Not a pastor, preacher, priest, church, pope or sect.
@dmcn19 It is not an impossible change at all. Researches Mather and Johnson, and Francis Collins have stated this. Before 1973 when it became "unacceptable" to do so they were successfully treating homosexuals. Also, if it was unchangeable how would Exodus International have over 1,000,000 signatures of homosexuals that have since changed in their lifestyle?
@funnyent "The evidence we have at present strongly supports the proposition that there are hereditary factors in male homosexuality ... But the fact that the answer is not 100% also suggests that other factors besides DNA must be involved. That certainly doesn’t imply, however, that those other undefined factors are inherently alterable." - Dr. Francis Collins
Collins has publicly complained about how his (and others') work has been distorted to promote an anti-gay agenda.
2. Once you see this, it affects the issue of choice:
a) Not important; Homosexuality is not a sin, but is subject to the same restrictions as heterosexuality.
b) Truly examine and weigh the evidence through an unbiased lens. Coming to the conclusion that sexuality is not a choice no longer puts God's love or motives into question. (God wouldn't create someone who is incapable of salvation)
1. My biblical studies have shown me the Bible does not actually condemn homosexuality. That 'homosexuality is a sin' comes from Man's false interpretation and translation of God's perfect word.
If you are interested to learn more about this, send me a PM and I can link you to some interesting stuff.
@t4qesd1 These analogies are silly; I can just choose a different example and prove the opposite. The overwhelming scientific and psychological evidence points to homosexuality NOT being a choice. But I understand why you are so sure that it is a choice (for a long time I would have agreed with you). I think we could argue about this indefinitely.
It is a fact that infants are born with innate general temperaments that control their desires, and the way they interact with the environment. For example: One innate temperament present from birth involves sociability. Some infants are born with a stronger desire for social interaction. This inborn desire leads to social behavior.
They chose to engage in social behavior, but they were born with the desire.
@t4qesd1 You are right, the environment affects what we do, what we desire, and how we think. The environmental effects have varying levels of influence on different phenomena. That still doesn't equate to choice.
That would mean anything that is not 100% genetically controlled is a choice. That people with fetal-alcohol syndrome chose to be that way. That people with lung cancer from second hand smoke chose to be that way. That you chose your personality traits.
@t4qesd1 4) Thought can lead to desire, but desire also leads to thought. Right now, I can choose to think about money and evoke a desire for money, which leads to money-getting behavior. Inversely, my hunger (automatic desire for food) will evoke thoughts of food, and leads to food-getting behavior. 4) Sexuality is fundamentally different from most other desires, so these analogies are a bit silly (my own included)
@t4qesd1 1) Studies still show that homosexuality is not (statistically) significantly predicted by culture, religion, or law. 2) The only sexual act possible in prison is homosexual. The act satisfies a general sexual urge, it doesn't change sexual orientation. Homosexuality is not more prevalent in released prison populations. 3) "People are in total control of their minds" is an inherently false statement.
About ten percent of a given population is homosexual, irrespective of cultural, societal, or religious values. If it was a choice, cultural and societal values would have a huge influence on the percentage of homosexuals; significantly lower numbers where homosexuality is severely condemned, and higher numbers where it is viewed less negatively.
God made Adam and Eve - This argument is invalid. There are many things and behaviors that God did not make that are not sinful or abominations today.
Jesus never once condemns homosexuality or denounces it as a sin. He never even makes reference to sexual orientation. He does, however, condemn his disciples for their lack of spiritual understanding and for their unquestioning adherence to the Bible (Mark 7:18 - 7:23). Perhaps this is important to consider.
@dmcn19 1) This assumes that the gospels are more authoritative than the other books in the Bible. 2) It also assumes that the gospels are more comprehensive than they really are. Jesus did not say a lot of things, he did not speak on axe murdering, or raping women. 3) In Mark 10 and Matthew 19 Jesus speaks of being fruitful and multiplying the earth. How is the homosexual going to do that. 4) The Bible says that men and women become one in flesh, clearly taking on a heterosexual view.
Cor. 6:9 and 6:10 - Both "effeminate" and "homosexual" are incorrect translations of the original text. The Biblical Greek word "arsenokoite" literally means "male bed" and is not found anywhere else in the Bible. It probably refers to the male prostitutes (who had female customers) that were common at this time. Arsenokoite was translated into "homosexual" for the first time in the Revised Standard Version of the Bible in 1946 and represents an unfounded interpretation of the word.
@bigboy135g What does that even mean? That I am lobbying for more people to be gay? That's ridiculous. That I have an agenda because I am gay? I am not. Your presumption is incorrect.
I'm just giving you some information about that particular passage. If anything, I am promoting an understanding that the Bible has been misinterpreted and mistranslated; that, while God may be perfect, man is inherently not.
@dmcn19 Look these guys are pro Ok? They spend hours finding something to talk about then more putting together a script. They make sure everything is perfect. So, Id like to see you do better and make a video of YOUR explanation.
One more thing: Are you saying that God thinks homosexuality is right? If you are, surely you are a homo sexual
@bigboy135g What I am saying is that the Bible, and therefore God, never condemns homosexuality as a sin. The people who have interpreted and translated the Bible that we see today made some mistakes; the Bible that we read today is not the Bible that God intended us to be reading.
You can choose to believe this man if you want. Or you can choose to find God yourself, instead of asking someone else to find Him for you.
And I am not a homosexual, if that offers any comfort for you.
@dmcn19 Yes but they did not make a mistake. I strongly believe that God does not agree with homosexuality. If he did he would have made two guys or two girls instead of Adam and Eve.
And yes I have found faith for myself I just like to see what these guys say because they are professianal
@bigboy135g The Bible has been translated and interpreted many different ways. Of course mistakes were made; consider the multiple different versions of the Bible. Consider the many different languages, and the difficulty of rewriting the Bible in these languages. Each time this happens, it is subject to interpretation. This is exactly the point I was making with the example from Cor 6:9 and 6:10.
God made a man and a woman because a man and a woman are necessary to make children. But that doesn't mean God condemns homosexuality. Had God made 50 people instead of 2, then 5 of them may very well have been homosexual.
I absolutely respect your belief. It would make me very happy if you analyzed why you believe these things, though. If you believe it because the professionals told you it is true, then you are making a mistake that Jesus himself warned us against.
@bigboy135g Why did he make hermaphrodites/inter-sexed people for? If he made male for female? Why did your god of the bible simply make a attraction that you couldn't go against?
@bigboy135g Sin is a moral on which going against a "supposed" god's law, it's subjective. When I say your god I am referring to the god that you believe in - in the bible. I know of Hebrew & Greek. Let me tell you the bible mainly is a myth with no empirical/tangible evidence. The word God from the Hebrew language is "El" or "El Eloh" & the plural is "Eloheem". The bible talks about "these beings" that walked the earth not a god in the sky. I can give empirical evidence for that.
@blackangel5555 No you cant you dont even know what your talking about. If there is no empirical evidence then what do you belive in and give me examples of there being "No God"
@bigboy135g I never stated there is "No god" I stated I know of the Greek and Hebrew language. In which the language of Hebrew the word for god was "El" and the plural was "Eloheem" which meant "these beings". This is why the bible has many mistranslation and contradictions. The most close version of the right translations would be the William Tyndale bible whom translated before King James authorized 46 of his best scholars to translate incorrectly of what would be the correct version.
@bigboy135g How? When I just told you when you asked? I replied by what I stated. Obviously, you cannot find a refute. As I stated once you prove god exits then you can prove what he likes, how he acts etc.
@bigboy135g That is my point exactly. No human on earth can prove or disprove a god. This is the reason why your thoughts of how good god is, acts or what he does is SUBJECTIVE. IF a god can be proven or disproven then we as humans would have facts. Thus this is the reason why humans create what they want god to be act etc. When people "speak" to god or heard him say something, then how does his voice sound? IT is all subjective because each person will say differently. Illogical.
@bigboy135g I am knowledgeable. How can I be retarded? Do you know what retarded means by definition? Wow. However, you are mad because you cannot refute what I stated. You know what I stated are facts and undeniable. Yet you let your subjective thought overrule your critical thinking. This is another way religion controls by social conditioning to create less logical thinking and proof behind things stated.You said "we" can Prove god exists then what are you waiting on prove there is a god?
@blackangel5555 No you are not knowledgable. Yes I do know what it means. I am not mad Im just surprised that someone can me this belligerent. You stated no facts so yes they cnt be denied, because they are not there. You have no thought you just look things up online and use other peoples words to state your point, which again, you have none. I can prove he exist, but can you prove he doesn't exist? What do I have to prove to you when I know you are wrong? Nothing.
@bigboy135g I don't look stuff online I read/research. If there is empirical/tangible or undeniable evidence how is that not logic/reasoning? You cannot know I am wrong unless you prove it. Think logical for once. It is purely subjective. No one can prove or disapprove. Unless you know about the creation of a atom then I can go into details of how there COULD be a MOST HIGH. However, there is no undeniable evidence. You KNOW there is a "God" and what this god wants, likes etc? PROVE IT.
@blackangel5555 Exactly you have no opinion or facts you just use somone elses and try to prove your right with that. I know you are wrong because I know God exists. Just like you know you have no point.
@bigboy135g You want to debate on using logic/reasoning and undeniable evidence? So, If you told John that he inhales and exhales out his nose according to science, How is that proving you are right? It just proves a fact with evidence. It is not proving John wrong it is giving a fact/evidence. However, what do you use to disapprove it? I know I have a point because you have not refuted it yet, only stating subjective thought. Prove God exists then? What do you use for your information?
@blackangel5555 I debate on pure fact and truth. In fact this isnt really a debate because you are wrong. You cannot prove God isnt real but there are MANY, many, many, many, things that PROVE he is real. I have refuted it many many times you just do not listen becaus you know you are wrong. I asked you to prove he doesnt exist and you fire a question asking me to prove he exist. Clearly you only do that because you have no evidence and know you are wrong.
@bigboy135g You don't listen. I stated I have no evidence to disapprove or approve. I am Gnostic theist/Deist. This is why I accept THE MOST HIGH as who would be HIGHER than the MOST HIGH? I don't use "God" as the greek term it can be anyone. I stated that I can go into the science of the atom to POSSIBLE PROVE that there is a MOST HIGH. I just said I cannot approve or disapprove. However, If you have proof of a god then you have proof of what this god likes or wants as well? PROVE IT.
@blackangel5555 I do listen you do not. You are being ignorant. Yes you cant disapprove him so your argument is invalid. Exactly you are Gnostic theist/Deist, that explains a lot. Well we are not Greek and we dont speak Greek. We are in America and we speak English. So why are you even bringing Greek into this? Ok how did everything start if there was no God then?
@bigboy135g Ignorant? Just intellectual. Using the etymological dictionary is the only way to show you the WORD. When the hebrew is "El" or plural is "Eloheem" which means "these beings" thus the reason why in Leviticus it talks about feeding these gods/beings NOT a "sky god". English is not your language it is Algo-Saxon stemming from those two tribes who were divided and words go back to it's original state. I cannot tell you how everything started besides the energies combustion.
Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 - Nobody can claim that Leviticus represents God's word and laws; they are an obvious reflection of the cultural practices at the time the authors were recording the word of God. Leviticus also states that eating shrimp, rabbit and clams is an abomination (20:25). And that one cannot trim one's beard, get a tattoo, or wear mixed materials.
@gentguddah physical appearance is obviously something you don't choose, BUT YOU DON'T ACT ON IT EITHER. Desires, or your emotions, feelings, etc... can be fulfilled if one chooses to do so. The Color of skin,eyes or hair is not something that CAUSES YOU TO ACT A CERTAIN WAY homosexuality CAN/DOES. I believe that is the difference @slowtoyotaecho is trying to show. Narrow-mindedness might go both ways.
Love is love!!! whether you are a female and love a Female or a Male who loves a Male. God created love to spread around. He is our creator and he knows why we are the way we are. He made us this way for a reason. So the day i get to be in front of him i will say "You are my creator, i was what you made me and i am proud!" Im GAY and thats because god made me this way. I cant change who i was designed to LOVE.
@MsDeGeneresFan God made us to have freewill. That means youre choosing to be gay which is wrong. He isnt making you gay. Stop blaming God for your sinful acts.
@MsDeGeneresFan being gay is a choice. and like i said before, stop saying God made you gay. he didnt. you have the freewill to change your sinful ways. at least if youll accept that homosexuality is wrong you will finally be able to live. remember that the truth will set you free.
@nakallo what about people that are straight but they do "stuff" with the same sex. for example, a girl likes guys but when she parties with her girlfriends she makes out with them which does happen because ive seen it happen. is God making them do it? its wrong to do anythin sexual with the same sex. lets pretend someone is born gay. well, if that person commits a homosexual act, then that is a sin. but if the person doesnt commit a homosexual act then that person is not commiting a sin even
@dmcn19 how about you think about this? does the Bible say heterosexuality is a sin? if it were a sin, would either of us be here arguing with eachother if it were a sin? would there be anyone living right now? God said to Adam and Eve "be fruitful and multiply". you cant multiply with the same sex. homosexuality is a temptation, just like stealing. i sometimes get tempted to steal in a walmart because it looks so easy and my friends do it but i dont because i resist the temptation to do it.
Rates of theft vary predictably according to societal, cultural, and legal factors. (ie: A community that views stealing as very wrong will exhibit lower levels of theft than a community that views it more lightly.)
Rates of homosexuality remain extremely constant, regardless of societal, cultural, and legal factors. (ie: A country where gay marriage is legal, or where religion is less comdemning of homosexuality, has the same % of population reporting homosexuality.)
@dmcn19 rates of homosexuality are not constant. there may be gay people all over the world but the percentage is not the same. incest is nasty and rape hurts other ppl and both are not gauranteed to produce babies either. and there is an end result to the temptation of homosexuality. the result is your with another person of the same sex which might make you happy but is still wrong. and also, sex is only allowed through marriage so if a man never has sex with a woman it means hes not married
Every sexual encounter after Adam and Eve was incest...
My point about rape and incest was that you can't say homosexuality is wrong simply because it doesn't produce babies.
Rates of homosexuality (as measured by confidential surveys) show no significant variation. They remain essentially constant throughout history and between countries. (You can look this up yourself, but you will have to understand a bit about stat analysis).
@slowtoyotaecho I was just trying to make you see that you cannot spontaneously choose to be gay, even if the bible commands it (which in, in the original Greek and Hebrew, it doesn't).
So I'm not saying heterosexuality is a sin; that's ridiculous. You can't claim that homosexuality is wrong because it doesn't produce babies; then I could say that rape and incest are okay because they doe produce babies.
Homosexuality is not "a temptation just like stealing."
You are tempted to steal because of the result. If you could achieve the same effect without stealing (getting free stuff), you wouldn't steal.
You are tempted to have sex because the action is inherently desirable. Orgasm can be achieved in both gay and straight sex... In fact, HIV+ homosexuals who choose not to engage in any sexual activity (out of concern for others) still prefer emotional intimacy with the same sex.
@slowtoyotaecho its the act of homosexuality thats a sin is what im saying. and also, if you think its ok for ppl who are gay to commit homosexual acts, then is it ok for a girl who isnt gay to commit a homosexual act with her friend? she isnt born gay so would that then make it wrong if she makes out with another girl? because that obviously happens, i see it on facebook of my friends making out with their friends but they are not lesbians.
"is it ok for a girl who isnt gay to commit a homosexual act with her friend"
If the girl is performing a sexual act outside of a loving, committed relationship, (personally) I don't think it is okay. If she was having indiscriminate heterosexual sex, I think that would be equally wrong. I believe sex should be respected, be committed between two consenting partners, and be a product of romantic love. (Regardless of gender).
@dmcn19 refuse him. gay ppl need to be able to do the same thing. every bad thing we do is a temptation caused by satan ie. stealing, killing, lying etc. and the problem is the more ppl say its ok to be homosexual, the more ppl will become it. i live in Toronto and here so many ppl thinks its ok to be gay or are gay and all over the media they praise gay ppl for what they are doing but thats wrong. you shouldnt praise something thats wrong jus cuz some1 might call u "close minded".
@slowtoyotaecho I never said that being born gay makes homosexuality okay; that's a different issue.
I'm saying that someone does not choose to be gay or straight.
But I understand why you are committed to the belief that homosexuality is a choice; if it wasn't a choice, God would have created people who are incapable of salvation. And that is not what the Bible teaches us.
@dmcn19 also, you can live through life without marrying someone. just because you are gay, it doesnt mean that you have to marry someone. there are plenty of heterosexuals that end up never marrying even though they would like too. so just because someone is attracted to the same sex, doesnt mean that person has to get together with the other person. they need to fight the temptation because it is satan that tempts us to do evil. remember, satan tried to tempt Jesus but Jesus was able to
@slowtoyotaecho From my own biblical studies, though, I have found that neither God nor Jesus condemn homosexuality. God's message is perfect and truthful, not man's. And God is who I follow.
Now that I know this, it's much easier to address the question of choice in homosexuality; I don't have to question the fact that God loves us.
It's hard to really talk about these things on YouTube with short comments. If you are interested, send me a PM and I can link you to some interesting stuff.
@dmcn19 also, plz dont use the Bible to say homosexuality is ok because you hav the whole Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox Church against you. thats because it doesnt say its ok to be gay in the Bible. ppl use the excuse that there was no word for homosexuality back when the Bible was written but that doesnt mean that its ok just because there isnt a word for it. God said to Adam and Eve "be fruitful and multiply". there is no word of homosexuality in that phrase but its clear he wants us to
I do not follow the Roman Catholic or Greek Orthodox church. They are men, and are subject to all the imperfections of man. If every church in the world told me God's word was wrong, I would still follow God.
I follow God, and God's word. I worship God, not a church.
Jesus taught us this.
If you are interested, send me a private message. I want to stop flooding this video with my comments.
@slowtoyotaecho Stupidity, Consumerism, Narrow-mindedness, etc - this are things we can choose to be. Your eyes colour, your skin colour, your stature, your finger prints, etc. are things we can't choose, because this are characteristics of our human existence. is it possible for your free will to change your eye colour? I think it's not possible.. Is it possible for your mind to extend your poind of view and avoid stupidity? i think yes and it's a metter of free will. Clear?
@gentguddah what the hell does physical appearance have to do with homosexuality? God didn't say its a sin to have brown eyes or have black skin or be skinny or fat. but he said its a sin to do homosexual acts. so before you call someone stupid, take a look at your own views first.
@sadmachine Sex was God' idea- he created it to be done within his boundaries. Like the speaker said, we create our own belief systems and shun God's so that we can justify the way we live. We become our own God's when in truth, you can't even control whether you will wake up tomorrow.
@JHP717 It probably won't help to harp on people's shortcomings/sin. Just continue to love him, build a deep relationship with him and don't back down from explaining how Christ has changed your life in regular conversation. That way Christ will shine through in your deeds. Just present the Gospel to him, the amazing sacrifice of JC. Repentance from sin will be realized later. Let God convict his heart first. Remember, it's not your responsibility to "save" people, just love them.
Hey fat ass! Men aren't suppose to have tits! When was the last time you saw your penis? I mean other than in your boyfriend's ass. I bet you're the type of guy, that won't even give your boyfriend a reach around while you're pumping his ass!
You can't just pray the gay away, you have to pray and turn to Jesus and you have to make the change in your life. God is there to take the burden away, but you have to make the choice to live right, whether it feels right or not. It didn't feel right for me not to drink because I was an alcoholic but that doesn't mean I'm supposed to turn back to what "feels right and natural ". God gave us free will, in this way we must make the choice to change our lives.
johntrentrawks 2 weeks ago
Thats all very well to say but it is written in the bible and if you want I will write here the things in the bible that jesus said that are just as rediculous. In case it is reasonable to assume that at least one of the deciples was Gay and in fact several of them probably are including jesus
coomadoug 3 weeks ago
The bible says that we should be stoned to death for collecting sticks on Sunday.
if you cant explain this away, then you are full of crap in this video also
coomadoug 1 month ago
@coomadoug people have corrupted the bible through the ages but they will never corrupt Jesus because Jesus isn't written in paper he is written in your heart god would never stone you for collecting sticks on Sunday would you stone your child for such a trivial thing... sounds like someone that doesn't agree with god would write that for their own benefit
bellhairrat1 3 weeks ago
You are not just stupid. You are a heartless imbecile
coomadoug 1 month ago
He speaks truth. But homosexuality will be the last thing we have to worry about when the end comes. The bible tells me that homosexuality, just like many other sins is wrong and will be punished accordingly. Don't try and fit bible the to suit you. Adjust your life to fit the Bible. Sin is sin. No matter how great or small. But Jesus died and rose again so that we all could be saved. He gave his life for all sinners like murders, thieves, prostitutes, and yes, even homosexuals. God is love.
OPTIMUSMOOSE 2 months ago
TRUE!
MrKeys57 3 months ago
"Shall surely be put to death"?
I wonder if Matt Slick knows deep down just how disgusting his 'worldview' really is.
Hufflewaffle 4 months ago
@Hufflewaffle What about "Thou shalt not kill"? This guy is twisting verses to say what he wants them to.
smurfboywv 3 months ago
You're a very good-looking guy; have you ever tried gay sex before? I doubt it. Just as you (probably) have no attraction to men, I have no attraction to women. You should realize that homosexuality is not a preference, it is an orientation.
I tried praying the gay away for 12 years and nothing changed. I was forced to face the realization that there is no god, and there's no reason for me to be ashamed of the way I feel towards men.
tatooa 4 months ago
He used Leviticus because the new testament is the new covenant and considering this statement in Levitucus is restated he could use it (For simplicity just go to Romans)
To explain away homosexuality as not a sin would mean you would have to consciously make yourself not see the obvious facts right in front of you.
vaan7777 4 months ago
yes sir that right
kemuel1000 6 months ago
ive been trying to pray "the gay" away for 8 years. its not going away!
guitargleek89 6 months ago
ok... so now what do us gays do?? you are being very ignorent.
guitargleek89 6 months ago
@guitargleek89 Go get Jesus.
JewForJesusAlways 5 months ago
Great video. I'm tired of people saying oh you just need to take the bible into context....blah blah blah. It says it more than once so it's surly true. Adam and eve are the greatest example. Thanks.
eth6706 7 months ago
If you're gonna use leviticus to condemn gays, what about these? Exodus 21:7 says we can sell our daughters into slavery, What is a good price for her? Lev. 15:19-24 states we're not to have relations with women during her menstrual uncleanliness. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. Exodus 35:2 clearly states working on the sabbath is a cause to put anyone working on sunday to death,
who shall kill them?
sweetbasil2010 7 months ago
And lets not forget these verses either idiot. Lev. 11:10 states we shall not eat shellfish, its an abomination, do you eat shrimp? If so its
an abomination. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect
in my sight. Lev.19:27 Do not trim off the hair on your temples or trim your beards.
Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean. Lev.24:10-16 Do not plant
different crops together, and do not wear garments of different fabrics.
sweetbasil2010 7 months ago
Leviticus 20:13 also speaks of the men raping people. 1st Corinthians 6-9 in my Bible says NOTHING about homosexuals. Romans 1 26-28 is also speaking about rape, idol worshiping ect..... I love how this idiot thinks he can use God to back up his lies.
sweetbasil2010 7 months ago
Leviticus 18:22 speaks of the men who were raping other men against their will, the Bible does not say homosexuality is a sin. So if it says we're to be put to death, who is going to kill us gays? The Bible says also "Thou shalt not kill" well right there is a contradiction, God at no point in verse says gay men and women shall die and go to hell.
sweetbasil2010 7 months ago
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MrSupernova890 8 months ago
Well, these are some other things the bible says.
The bible forbids: shaving, cursing, telling rude jokes, gossiping, eating lobster, eating pork, touching a woman within 7 days after her period, round haircuts (sorry Beatles), eating or touching anything related to a pig - including their hides, fortune telling, pulling out before you ejaculate, tattoos, mixed fabric like polyester,
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divorce, letting men without testicles and/or a penis into church, masturbation, wearing gold or other expensive clothing or jewelry, eating shellfish, and... a wife defending her husband's life in a fight by grabbing the attacker's genitals.
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A married couple having intercourse during a woman's period should be put to death, if a married person has sex with someone's husband/wife both should be put to death, if a bride is discovered not to be a virgin, she should be put to death, and sodomy is condemned (anal or oral sex).
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If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
Marriage is oftentimes undesirable as it distracts from the service of the Lord. You are also not allowed to have sex with angels. Darn. Was really looking forward to that one.
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You also can never eat fat, witches should be killed, children of a bastard (child of unmarried parents) cannot enter a church up to the tenth generation, handicapped people are not allowed in church because their presence profanes his sanctuary, women are officially second class citizens and also can be owned, false prophets are to be killed by their own parents, and the parents of a stubborn child must stone their own child.
Good thing everybody knows these and follows them all.
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@TheLulio907 "Those who don't understand books written for grown-ups shouldn't comment on them - C.S. Lewis
ronathanedwards 7 months ago
@ronathanedwards
“To Follow by faith alone is to follow blindly.” Benjamin Franklin
And are you saying that the bible does not say these things that I've listed? I could easily use your quote to argue against this video, otherwise.
TheLulio907 7 months ago
@TheLulio907 Faith is supported by understanding. You don't understand the Bible, nor the verses you quoted, nor the REASON those verses are given, NOR the Covenantal reasons for those verses. You can not use my quote to argue against this video, you are only proving your lack of understanding of the Bible, being unregenerate you only prove 1 Cor 2:14. You must be born again to understand these things. Repent while you are under the grace of God giving you life before He takes it from you.
ronathanedwards 7 months ago
@ronathanedwards
Well, let's omit any Old Testament verses referring to homosexuality. The Old Testament holds the old laws, which were fulfilled through Christ. In the New Testament, to my knowledge, there are only three references to homosexuality. Let's first look at 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Homosexuals are listed, but no special emphasis is placed on them. They are mentioned simply in passing, almost in a miscellaneous catalog of unacceptable behavior. (continued)
TheLulio907 7 months ago
@ronathanedwards
These miscellaneous lists are very common in the New Testament and Christian literature, along with Mesopotamian writings, Egyptian, Greek, etc. They are most commonly shown as stereotypical in nature, throwing out a laundry list of negative behaviors used primarily for rhetorical purpose and with little attention on the individual items. Furthermore, historians believe that authors often took over and adapted such lists from earlier documents. (continued)
TheLulio907 7 months ago
@ronathanedwards
So this means that the New Testament writers may not have actually composed these entire lists, but may simply be conventional lists taken (and adapted) from earlier works used in this case for rhetorical purposes. If so, then include how the words can be translated from Greek in 1 Corinthians. Two translations are "male prostitutes" and "sodomites" which may be little more than coincidental now. In any case, it does not single it out, but merely lists it. (continued)
TheLulio907 7 months ago
@ronathanedwards
However, in the case of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, they may not be the most appropriate translations of the underlying Greek in the text. The Greek word that has been translated as "male prostitutes" is malakoi (malakos plural). It literally means "soft," as in "soft" bed, but when applied to people, it can mean lazy, self-indulgent, cowardly, lacking in self-control and what not. Applied to males, it generally refers to feminine-like "weaknesses." (continued)
TheLulio907 7 months ago
@ronathanedwards
So, men that are regarded as soft, flabby, weak, cowardly, unmanly, or effeminate. But to call a male "effeminate" may or may not imply homosexuality. In some cases, but not all. In the circumstances that it did, it also may refer to the passive or effeminate partner in the relationship. But we can't be in any way certain that malakoi refers to homosexuality as opposed to softness or even effeminacy in some other sense. (continued)
TheLulio907 7 months ago
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People generally assumed that it does refer to homosexuality in 1 Corinthians mostly because it is next to the term arsenokoitai (defined later on). The assumption is, of course, that the two words are somehow linked in meaning. But that is not at all necessarily the case, as "the greedy" and "drunkards" are adjacent in the list, and it's difficult to find any link between them. Even if malakoi and arsenokoitai are somehow linked... (continued)
TheLulio907 7 months ago
@TheLulio907 Greediness and drunkenness are adjacent, however it is NOT difficult to find a link between them, the link is they are sinful acts. Malakoi isn't in a vacuum, it directly precedes arsenokoitas. There is no reference to prostitution here, it is the ACTs that are being rendered, prostitution is not being implied here, but rather the abomination of homosexuality. Effeminacy is being implied here BECAUSE of the word that follows it. I will PM the rest.
ronathanedwards 7 months ago
@ronathanedwards
Link between them meaning the interpretations of the words together. Regardless, response to this comment and to your PM has been sent in messages.
TheLulio907 7 months ago
@ronathanedwards
...it still isn't clear just how arsenokoitai should be translated. It comes from two Greek words: arsen (male, as opposed to female) and koite (literally meaning bed, but with extension, can be a euphemism for sexual intercourse, as in going to bed). That would suggest the word refers to males who "go to bed" with other males. But many language analysts point out that the meaning of a compound word cannot necessarily be understood by breaking it apart... (continued)
TheLulio907 7 months ago
@ronathanedwards
(by breaking it apart)... looking at the meaning of each part, and recombining the meanings. The linguists point out examples like the English word "understand" which as nothing to do with being under, or standing. There are many other examples, but particularly, the vulgar term "mother-f***er." Literally, we know what it means, but when used, it typically does not refer to intercourse with one's mother. My argument can continue in private messages if you wish to continue it.
TheLulio907 7 months ago
@TheLulio907
Not to be contentious, but just as a note, "understand" has to do with comprehension in that a student or listener who stands under a tutor or speaker is able to grasp his/her meaning or substance (another word meaning "stand under"). Bless you
OKandNOWwhat 7 months ago
@OKandNOWwhat
That is not a true etymological interpretation.
The exact origin is unclear to etymologists. It is suggested that under is not a literal interpretation of beneath, but rather among, or to be close to. One suggestion as to the interpretation of 'stand' is from the Greek phrase, I stand on, often used to say "I know how" or "I know."
Regardless, the point I was making previously was that the immediate literal interpretation is not always correct, as stated by certain linguists.
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derek4ur 5 months ago
Jesus doesn't mention it--apparently he views it as an unpleasant subject unworthy of public discussion. Kind of like bank robbery or incest. Something to be kept to one's self, exercising wisdom. No use upsetting the peace of the whole neighborhood, right?
buzzclick500 8 months ago
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The old testament is the old law. Actually, it shows just what Christ came here and died for. He fullfilled the old law. You can be gay all you want to, no laws against it, but you have to repent and turn your life over to Christ if you want to gain eternal life. I guess a lot of people still want that old law from the old testament around huh? Leviticus 20:13 is always used as a "trump card". I'm a believer in Christ, and I sure dont to see that penalty from that old law. Seeing people SAVED!!
eightway1 8 months ago
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@MultiGreenpen : "Let he among you who has not sinned cast the first stone." --Jesus Christ.
buzzclick500 8 months ago
This is the type of crap that causes people to be racist.
smurfboywv 8 months ago
@smurfboywv : So, now, homosexuals are a race? Now, THAT'S "news".
buzzclick500 8 months ago
@buzzclick500 No they are people, and christians are racist against gats.
smurfboywv 8 months ago
Sure, carmvideos....Just keep on reading that mistranslated Bible.
cmdrkoenig67 8 months ago
All dem faggots is going to hell i reck'n!
gajda1984 9 months ago
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ANOTHERHOLEINYOHEAD 9 months ago
What about Ancient Roman Catholics within the age of the roman empire?
Re6elRSC 9 months ago
Nobody In The Comment Section Can Or Has Provided Scriptures That State Homosexuality Is Not A Sin,However There R Plenty Of Scriptures That State Homosexuality Is A Sin.So Basically The Pro Homosexuals That Subcribe 2 The Bible R Speaking Purely From An Emotional Standpoint,Rather Than From The Scriptures.And As Far As U Anti Homosexuals U Have A Problem Aswell,Because The Scriptures State That Noone Is Without Sin & Theres Only 1 Sin That Will Not Be Forgiven & That Sin Is Not Homosexuality.
MrHead1972 10 months ago
Since when is it a sin to love another human being?????
luis502078 10 months ago
Right, so homosexuality is a sin? Just like any other? and every human sins right? And according to the Bible, all sin is equal and only forgiven by Christ alone through repentance!
I think the social pressures that most homosexuals feel (from the church) come from denial from involvement in the church, under the grounds of "they are sinners and therefore cannot be a part of the leadership team" = This is a huge problem in the church that must be addressed!
Warlowisnumberone 10 months ago
Religion is belief. Meaning ideas within that religion are also belief, not fact.
Definition of Belief: an opinion or conviction.
Far from the meaning of fact.
It is not fact that homosexuality is sin. It is not fact that homosexuality is condemned.
Sin? Condemned? From what? God?
Conclusion - It is not fact that "god" exists. He is a belief, as are his said "ideas."
-Drew Griffith (11:16 - April 4, 2011 - Butler, MO)
muscleDEMON1 10 months ago
So man on man, woman on woman, man on woman, man on multiple woman, all types of fornication, polygamy, etc any sexual things outside the covenant of marriage is a sin. One man and One woman married is the covenant.
YaHuWaHservant 11 months ago
All fornication is a sin. Fornication is the act of having marriage outside the covenant of marriage. The covenant of marriage, according to the Messiah, Mark 10:5-8 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh."
YaHuWaHservant 11 months ago
I have listened to Arnold Murray for years and he has said many times that there was mostly extreme perversion in Sodom and Gomorrah void of any type of love. It was all sexual lust. They were not in love with the angels. They just wanted their bodies to use!
rev66blessu 1 year ago
God loves all, but hates your sin...
We love our neighbors, but just as if one of my straight friends proclaims she is a Christian is about to cheat on her husband, I will tell her not to.. because salvation is more important than feeling good, I will also tell my friend how is gay, live for God, and let to of fleshly desires to do what God hates (i.e. sleeping with the same sex)
God hates the sin.. not the sinner
God wants to save the sinner from the sin that will kill
gay and straight.
mochateebrown 1 year ago
3:30, "...dont compromise your witness for a socially acceptable opinion that is void of Godliness...". That is a profound statement. That is, dont say something just to be politically correct at the cost of sharing God's message.
bigvoltron 1 year ago
And my opinion? Some Christians are cock-babbling, bible-quoting bigots who use the bible to attempt to justify their unjustifiable homophobia.
*The bible is ,in fact, written by men and not God.
*I thought the bible said 'Love thy neighbour', that didn't mean just love the straight neighbour.
eliotraincloud 1 year ago
@eliotraincloud Didn't the bible also say to help your friends in sin? Also the Bible was written by humans but inspired by God (2 Timothy 3:16)
funnyent 1 year ago
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If Jesus was accepting of homosexuality, why would he say in in Matthew 11:23"And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in SODOM, it would have remained until this day". So in other words, if the Sodomites were righteous, they would not be destroyed. The practise of "homosexuality" is described in Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.”
AlexzandrSpringvale 1 year ago
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If Jesus was accepting of homosexuality, why would he say in in Matthew 11:23"And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in SODOM, it would have remained until this day". So in other words, if the Sodomites were righteous, they would not be destroyed. The practise of "homosexuality" is described in Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.”
AlexzandrSpringvale 1 year ago
The Bible also says that women shall not teach man, that a son who swears at his father should be stoned to death, that man should not eat shrimp, that adulterers should be killed, etc.
Clarrisani 1 year ago
@t4qesd1 Right. I do not have any religious beliefs, and therefore do not understand the full power of the video. However, you say that homosexuality is a temptation and nothing else, whereas, in truth, it is genetic in that person. If someone was lame due to genetics, you would not tell them to resist temptation and walk. So how can you say this for homosexuality, when it is clearly unavoidable?
I do not believe homosexuality is a sin, or is in any way wrong. So what IS wrong with it?
oliverw3 1 year ago
@oliverw3 If its genetic then its a defect , as there is no future in it and if it were how we were SUPPOSE to be our race would have died out thousands of years ago. Right or wrong are irrelevant , , if its a choice its an illogical one ..if its genetics its a defect . Sodomy is much more likely to spread STD's than vaginal intercourse , so long as a Homosexual male doesn't mate with hetro females its not a threat tho. Its a dead end however no reason to praise it. MTV isn't law
Wonglow 1 year ago
@Wonglow I agree, if it's genetic then it's a defect. But my point was that you can't choose your genetic structure. The video was about homosexuality being wrong, but if God purposefully caused a person to be homosexual, without even a possibility of overcoming it, then how is it wrong?
And are you saying that everyone that can't carry on the human race should be classed as sinners? Because anyone with infertility problems cannot either. Just saying.
oliverw3 1 year ago
@t4qesd1 dmcn basically twists God's words and in my opinion that is just about the worst sin you can commit. so if hes able to twists God's words without fear of being sent to Hell, then he isnt even a Christian to begin with and he has bigger problems than just believing that homosexuality is ok.
slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
@t4qesd1 dmcn will never understand. i've been debating him through personal messages this whole week and he still believes homosexuality is okay. He says to follow God's word yet God never said homosexuality is okay. Maybe you can get through to him. I know i couldnt.
slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
@t4qesd1 Jesus in Mark 7:18-23 chided his disciples for their lack of spiritual understanding and their unquestioning belief in the spiritual leaders of their time.
Worship God not your church.
dmcn19 1 year ago
@t4qesd1
3) We can stop telling homosexuals that they must make an impossible change to join us on Christ's path. The mistaken belief that homosexuality is sinful has turned hundreds of people away from the salvation they deserve.
The truthful word of God is in the Bible, but Man wrote the Bible, and Man's imperfections are contained therein. It is our responsibility to find God's word in the Bible, and live by it.
I follow God. Not a pastor, preacher, priest, church, pope or sect.
dmcn19 1 year ago
@dmcn19 It is not an impossible change at all. Researches Mather and Johnson, and Francis Collins have stated this. Before 1973 when it became "unacceptable" to do so they were successfully treating homosexuals. Also, if it was unchangeable how would Exodus International have over 1,000,000 signatures of homosexuals that have since changed in their lifestyle?
funnyent 1 year ago
@funnyent "The evidence we have at present strongly supports the proposition that there are hereditary factors in male homosexuality ... But the fact that the answer is not 100% also suggests that other factors besides DNA must be involved. That certainly doesn’t imply, however, that those other undefined factors are inherently alterable." - Dr. Francis Collins
Collins has publicly complained about how his (and others') work has been distorted to promote an anti-gay agenda.
dmcn19 1 year ago
@t4qesd1
2. Once you see this, it affects the issue of choice:
a) Not important; Homosexuality is not a sin, but is subject to the same restrictions as heterosexuality.
b) Truly examine and weigh the evidence through an unbiased lens. Coming to the conclusion that sexuality is not a choice no longer puts God's love or motives into question. (God wouldn't create someone who is incapable of salvation)
dmcn19 1 year ago
@t4qesd1
1. My biblical studies have shown me the Bible does not actually condemn homosexuality. That 'homosexuality is a sin' comes from Man's false interpretation and translation of God's perfect word.
If you are interested to learn more about this, send me a PM and I can link you to some interesting stuff.
dmcn19 1 year ago
@t4qesd1 These analogies are silly; I can just choose a different example and prove the opposite. The overwhelming scientific and psychological evidence points to homosexuality NOT being a choice. But I understand why you are so sure that it is a choice (for a long time I would have agreed with you). I think we could argue about this indefinitely.
dmcn19 1 year ago
@t4qesd1
It is a fact that infants are born with innate general temperaments that control their desires, and the way they interact with the environment. For example: One innate temperament present from birth involves sociability. Some infants are born with a stronger desire for social interaction. This inborn desire leads to social behavior.
They chose to engage in social behavior, but they were born with the desire.
dmcn19 1 year ago
@t4qesd1 You are right, the environment affects what we do, what we desire, and how we think. The environmental effects have varying levels of influence on different phenomena. That still doesn't equate to choice.
That would mean anything that is not 100% genetically controlled is a choice. That people with fetal-alcohol syndrome chose to be that way. That people with lung cancer from second hand smoke chose to be that way. That you chose your personality traits.
dmcn19 1 year ago
@t4qesd1 4) Thought can lead to desire, but desire also leads to thought. Right now, I can choose to think about money and evoke a desire for money, which leads to money-getting behavior. Inversely, my hunger (automatic desire for food) will evoke thoughts of food, and leads to food-getting behavior. 4) Sexuality is fundamentally different from most other desires, so these analogies are a bit silly (my own included)
dmcn19 1 year ago
@t4qesd1 1) Studies still show that homosexuality is not (statistically) significantly predicted by culture, religion, or law. 2) The only sexual act possible in prison is homosexual. The act satisfies a general sexual urge, it doesn't change sexual orientation. Homosexuality is not more prevalent in released prison populations. 3) "People are in total control of their minds" is an inherently false statement.
dmcn19 1 year ago
@t4qesd1 It is not a choice.
About ten percent of a given population is homosexual, irrespective of cultural, societal, or religious values. If it was a choice, cultural and societal values would have a huge influence on the percentage of homosexuals; significantly lower numbers where homosexuality is severely condemned, and higher numbers where it is viewed less negatively.
dmcn19 1 year ago
God made Adam and Eve - This argument is invalid. There are many things and behaviors that God did not make that are not sinful or abominations today.
Jesus never once condemns homosexuality or denounces it as a sin. He never even makes reference to sexual orientation. He does, however, condemn his disciples for their lack of spiritual understanding and for their unquestioning adherence to the Bible (Mark 7:18 - 7:23). Perhaps this is important to consider.
dmcn19 1 year ago 9
@dmcn19 But Jesus commanded us that if we want to marry, we should do it in a right way between male and female.
flameboy1236 1 year ago
@flameboy1236 Amen
frnzkuester 1 year ago
@dmcn19 1) This assumes that the gospels are more authoritative than the other books in the Bible. 2) It also assumes that the gospels are more comprehensive than they really are. Jesus did not say a lot of things, he did not speak on axe murdering, or raping women. 3) In Mark 10 and Matthew 19 Jesus speaks of being fruitful and multiplying the earth. How is the homosexual going to do that. 4) The Bible says that men and women become one in flesh, clearly taking on a heterosexual view.
funnyent 1 year ago
Cor. 6:9 and 6:10 - Both "effeminate" and "homosexual" are incorrect translations of the original text. The Biblical Greek word "arsenokoite" literally means "male bed" and is not found anywhere else in the Bible. It probably refers to the male prostitutes (who had female customers) that were common at this time. Arsenokoite was translated into "homosexual" for the first time in the Revised Standard Version of the Bible in 1946 and represents an unfounded interpretation of the word.
dmcn19 1 year ago 26
@dmcn19 exactly !!! at last I find someone who is intelligent and normal. I agree with you.. that´s to say, to the reality.
1pen2books 1 year ago
@dmcn19 So you are promoting homosexuality I presume?
bigboy135g 11 months ago
@bigboy135g What does that even mean? That I am lobbying for more people to be gay? That's ridiculous. That I have an agenda because I am gay? I am not. Your presumption is incorrect.
I'm just giving you some information about that particular passage. If anything, I am promoting an understanding that the Bible has been misinterpreted and mistranslated; that, while God may be perfect, man is inherently not.
dmcn19 11 months ago
@dmcn19 Look these guys are pro Ok? They spend hours finding something to talk about then more putting together a script. They make sure everything is perfect. So, Id like to see you do better and make a video of YOUR explanation.
One more thing: Are you saying that God thinks homosexuality is right? If you are, surely you are a homo sexual
bigboy135g 11 months ago
@bigboy135g What I am saying is that the Bible, and therefore God, never condemns homosexuality as a sin. The people who have interpreted and translated the Bible that we see today made some mistakes; the Bible that we read today is not the Bible that God intended us to be reading.
You can choose to believe this man if you want. Or you can choose to find God yourself, instead of asking someone else to find Him for you.
And I am not a homosexual, if that offers any comfort for you.
dmcn19 11 months ago
@dmcn19 Yes but they did not make a mistake. I strongly believe that God does not agree with homosexuality. If he did he would have made two guys or two girls instead of Adam and Eve.
And yes I have found faith for myself I just like to see what these guys say because they are professianal
bigboy135g 11 months ago
@bigboy135g The Bible has been translated and interpreted many different ways. Of course mistakes were made; consider the multiple different versions of the Bible. Consider the many different languages, and the difficulty of rewriting the Bible in these languages. Each time this happens, it is subject to interpretation. This is exactly the point I was making with the example from Cor 6:9 and 6:10.
dmcn19 11 months ago
@bigboy135g
God made a man and a woman because a man and a woman are necessary to make children. But that doesn't mean God condemns homosexuality. Had God made 50 people instead of 2, then 5 of them may very well have been homosexual.
I absolutely respect your belief. It would make me very happy if you analyzed why you believe these things, though. If you believe it because the professionals told you it is true, then you are making a mistake that Jesus himself warned us against.
dmcn19 11 months ago
@dmcn19 I guess we are both right in some way and thank you for tht very interesting debate.
Keep the Catholic on!
bigboy135g 11 months ago
@bigboy135g Why did he make hermaphrodites/inter-sexed people for? If he made male for female? Why did your god of the bible simply make a attraction that you couldn't go against?
blackangel5555 10 months ago
@blackangel5555
1. YOUR God what do you mean YOUR God?
2. Gos isn't just going to hand life to us on a silver plate thats why
3. When Adam and Eve ate the fruit they comitted a sin, if they wouldn't of we wouldn't have to worry.
bigboy135g 10 months ago
@bigboy135g Sin is a moral on which going against a "supposed" god's law, it's subjective. When I say your god I am referring to the god that you believe in - in the bible. I know of Hebrew & Greek. Let me tell you the bible mainly is a myth with no empirical/tangible evidence. The word God from the Hebrew language is "El" or "El Eloh" & the plural is "Eloheem". The bible talks about "these beings" that walked the earth not a god in the sky. I can give empirical evidence for that.
blackangel5555 10 months ago
@blackangel5555 No you cant you dont even know what your talking about. If there is no empirical evidence then what do you belive in and give me examples of there being "No God"
bigboy135g 10 months ago
@bigboy135g I never stated there is "No god" I stated I know of the Greek and Hebrew language. In which the language of Hebrew the word for god was "El" and the plural was "Eloheem" which meant "these beings". This is why the bible has many mistranslation and contradictions. The most close version of the right translations would be the William Tyndale bible whom translated before King James authorized 46 of his best scholars to translate incorrectly of what would be the correct version.
blackangel5555 10 months ago
@blackangel5555 You keep switching things up...obviously you dont know what your taking about
bigboy135g 10 months ago
@bigboy135g How? When I just told you when you asked? I replied by what I stated. Obviously, you cannot find a refute. As I stated once you prove god exits then you can prove what he likes, how he acts etc.
blackangel5555 10 months ago
@blackangel5555 If you can prove that he doesnt exist and what he likes and how he acts then I will accept your input...
bigboy135g 10 months ago
@bigboy135g That is my point exactly. No human on earth can prove or disprove a god. This is the reason why your thoughts of how good god is, acts or what he does is SUBJECTIVE. IF a god can be proven or disproven then we as humans would have facts. Thus this is the reason why humans create what they want god to be act etc. When people "speak" to god or heard him say something, then how does his voice sound? IT is all subjective because each person will say differently. Illogical.
blackangel5555 10 months ago
@blackangel5555 Yes we can prove he exist and we dont have to anyways...we just know hes there, like you know your retarded.
bigboy135g 10 months ago
@bigboy135g I am knowledgeable. How can I be retarded? Do you know what retarded means by definition? Wow. However, you are mad because you cannot refute what I stated. You know what I stated are facts and undeniable. Yet you let your subjective thought overrule your critical thinking. This is another way religion controls by social conditioning to create less logical thinking and proof behind things stated.You said "we" can Prove god exists then what are you waiting on prove there is a god?
blackangel5555 10 months ago
@blackangel5555 No you are not knowledgable. Yes I do know what it means. I am not mad Im just surprised that someone can me this belligerent. You stated no facts so yes they cnt be denied, because they are not there. You have no thought you just look things up online and use other peoples words to state your point, which again, you have none. I can prove he exist, but can you prove he doesn't exist? What do I have to prove to you when I know you are wrong? Nothing.
bigboy135g 10 months ago
@bigboy135g I don't look stuff online I read/research. If there is empirical/tangible or undeniable evidence how is that not logic/reasoning? You cannot know I am wrong unless you prove it. Think logical for once. It is purely subjective. No one can prove or disapprove. Unless you know about the creation of a atom then I can go into details of how there COULD be a MOST HIGH. However, there is no undeniable evidence. You KNOW there is a "God" and what this god wants, likes etc? PROVE IT.
blackangel5555 10 months ago
@blackangel5555 Exactly you have no opinion or facts you just use somone elses and try to prove your right with that. I know you are wrong because I know God exists. Just like you know you have no point.
bigboy135g 10 months ago
@bigboy135g You want to debate on using logic/reasoning and undeniable evidence? So, If you told John that he inhales and exhales out his nose according to science, How is that proving you are right? It just proves a fact with evidence. It is not proving John wrong it is giving a fact/evidence. However, what do you use to disapprove it? I know I have a point because you have not refuted it yet, only stating subjective thought. Prove God exists then? What do you use for your information?
blackangel5555 10 months ago
@blackangel5555 I debate on pure fact and truth. In fact this isnt really a debate because you are wrong. You cannot prove God isnt real but there are MANY, many, many, many, things that PROVE he is real. I have refuted it many many times you just do not listen becaus you know you are wrong. I asked you to prove he doesnt exist and you fire a question asking me to prove he exist. Clearly you only do that because you have no evidence and know you are wrong.
bigboy135g 10 months ago
@bigboy135g You don't listen. I stated I have no evidence to disapprove or approve. I am Gnostic theist/Deist. This is why I accept THE MOST HIGH as who would be HIGHER than the MOST HIGH? I don't use "God" as the greek term it can be anyone. I stated that I can go into the science of the atom to POSSIBLE PROVE that there is a MOST HIGH. I just said I cannot approve or disapprove. However, If you have proof of a god then you have proof of what this god likes or wants as well? PROVE IT.
blackangel5555 10 months ago
@blackangel5555 I do listen you do not. You are being ignorant. Yes you cant disapprove him so your argument is invalid. Exactly you are Gnostic theist/Deist, that explains a lot. Well we are not Greek and we dont speak Greek. We are in America and we speak English. So why are you even bringing Greek into this? Ok how did everything start if there was no God then?
bigboy135g 10 months ago
@bigboy135g Ignorant? Just intellectual. Using the etymological dictionary is the only way to show you the WORD. When the hebrew is "El" or plural is "Eloheem" which means "these beings" thus the reason why in Leviticus it talks about feeding these gods/beings NOT a "sky god". English is not your language it is Algo-Saxon stemming from those two tribes who were divided and words go back to it's original state. I cannot tell you how everything started besides the energies combustion.
blackangel5555 10 months ago
Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 - Nobody can claim that Leviticus represents God's word and laws; they are an obvious reflection of the cultural practices at the time the authors were recording the word of God. Leviticus also states that eating shrimp, rabbit and clams is an abomination (20:25). And that one cannot trim one's beard, get a tattoo, or wear mixed materials.
dmcn19 1 year ago 7
@gentguddah physical appearance is obviously something you don't choose, BUT YOU DON'T ACT ON IT EITHER. Desires, or your emotions, feelings, etc... can be fulfilled if one chooses to do so. The Color of skin,eyes or hair is not something that CAUSES YOU TO ACT A CERTAIN WAY homosexuality CAN/DOES. I believe that is the difference @slowtoyotaecho is trying to show. Narrow-mindedness might go both ways.
Pursuitofwisdom 1 year ago
I'm tired of debating with people like you. You disgust me, that's all I can say.
SuperFantasticFox 1 year ago
I was truly impressed with the truth that you spoke of, it was elequently expressed and you showed compassion towrds the gays. Keep up the good work.
TruthAlwaysHerts 1 year ago
Love is love!!! whether you are a female and love a Female or a Male who loves a Male. God created love to spread around. He is our creator and he knows why we are the way we are. He made us this way for a reason. So the day i get to be in front of him i will say "You are my creator, i was what you made me and i am proud!" Im GAY and thats because god made me this way. I cant change who i was designed to LOVE.
MsDeGeneresFan 1 year ago
@MsDeGeneresFan God made us to have freewill. That means youre choosing to be gay which is wrong. He isnt making you gay. Stop blaming God for your sinful acts.
slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
@slowtoyotaecho I actually thank God for making me the way i am. Being gay is not a choice.
MsDeGeneresFan 1 year ago
@MsDeGeneresFan being gay is a choice. and like i said before, stop saying God made you gay. he didnt. you have the freewill to change your sinful ways. at least if youll accept that homosexuality is wrong you will finally be able to live. remember that the truth will set you free.
slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
@slowtoyotaecho I suppose you made the choice to be hetero, right? Because I know I didn't, it just happened.
nakallo 1 year ago
@nakallo what about people that are straight but they do "stuff" with the same sex. for example, a girl likes guys but when she parties with her girlfriends she makes out with them which does happen because ive seen it happen. is God making them do it? its wrong to do anythin sexual with the same sex. lets pretend someone is born gay. well, if that person commits a homosexual act, then that is a sin. but if the person doesnt commit a homosexual act then that person is not commiting a sin even
slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
@slowtoyotaecho
If homosexuality is a choice, imagine this situation and really think about it:
Imagine the Bible/God were exactly the same, but we found out heterosexuality, not homosexuality, is a sin.
What do you think would happen to christians? What would they do?
What would you do?
Would you choose to become homosexual? Try imagining that right now.
Or would you decide not to engage in any acts of heterosexual sex? Does that mean you are not heterosexual anymore?
dmcn19 1 year ago
@dmcn19 how about you think about this? does the Bible say heterosexuality is a sin? if it were a sin, would either of us be here arguing with eachother if it were a sin? would there be anyone living right now? God said to Adam and Eve "be fruitful and multiply". you cant multiply with the same sex. homosexuality is a temptation, just like stealing. i sometimes get tempted to steal in a walmart because it looks so easy and my friends do it but i dont because i resist the temptation to do it.
slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
@slowtoyotaecho
Rates of theft vary predictably according to societal, cultural, and legal factors. (ie: A community that views stealing as very wrong will exhibit lower levels of theft than a community that views it more lightly.)
Rates of homosexuality remain extremely constant, regardless of societal, cultural, and legal factors. (ie: A country where gay marriage is legal, or where religion is less comdemning of homosexuality, has the same % of population reporting homosexuality.)
dmcn19 1 year ago
@dmcn19 rates of homosexuality are not constant. there may be gay people all over the world but the percentage is not the same. incest is nasty and rape hurts other ppl and both are not gauranteed to produce babies either. and there is an end result to the temptation of homosexuality. the result is your with another person of the same sex which might make you happy but is still wrong. and also, sex is only allowed through marriage so if a man never has sex with a woman it means hes not married
slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
@slowtoyotaecho
Every sexual encounter after Adam and Eve was incest...
My point about rape and incest was that you can't say homosexuality is wrong simply because it doesn't produce babies.
Rates of homosexuality (as measured by confidential surveys) show no significant variation. They remain essentially constant throughout history and between countries. (You can look this up yourself, but you will have to understand a bit about stat analysis).
dmcn19 1 year ago
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slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
@slowtoyotaecho I was just trying to make you see that you cannot spontaneously choose to be gay, even if the bible commands it (which in, in the original Greek and Hebrew, it doesn't).
So I'm not saying heterosexuality is a sin; that's ridiculous. You can't claim that homosexuality is wrong because it doesn't produce babies; then I could say that rape and incest are okay because they doe produce babies.
dmcn19 1 year ago
@slowtoyotaecho
Homosexuality is not "a temptation just like stealing."
You are tempted to steal because of the result. If you could achieve the same effect without stealing (getting free stuff), you wouldn't steal.
You are tempted to have sex because the action is inherently desirable. Orgasm can be achieved in both gay and straight sex... In fact, HIV+ homosexuals who choose not to engage in any sexual activity (out of concern for others) still prefer emotional intimacy with the same sex.
dmcn19 1 year ago
@slowtoyotaecho
Man... there's so many things wrong with what you said. You can't compare sexuality with stealing... they are not even almost on the same level.
If you never steal (even though you want to), you are not a thief.
If a man never has sex with a woman (even though he wants to), that doesn't mean he isn't heterosexual. Therefore the inverse is also true.
Your behavior determines if you are a theif, but your behaviors don't determine if you are gay.
dmcn19 1 year ago
@dmcn19 darn i removed one of my comments its the second one i did can you plz send it to me so i can re-post it?
slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
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slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
@slowtoyotaecho its the act of homosexuality thats a sin is what im saying. and also, if you think its ok for ppl who are gay to commit homosexual acts, then is it ok for a girl who isnt gay to commit a homosexual act with her friend? she isnt born gay so would that then make it wrong if she makes out with another girl? because that obviously happens, i see it on facebook of my friends making out with their friends but they are not lesbians.
slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
@slowtoyotaecho
"is it ok for a girl who isnt gay to commit a homosexual act with her friend"
If the girl is performing a sexual act outside of a loving, committed relationship, (personally) I don't think it is okay. If she was having indiscriminate heterosexual sex, I think that would be equally wrong. I believe sex should be respected, be committed between two consenting partners, and be a product of romantic love. (Regardless of gender).
dmcn19 1 year ago
@dmcn19 refuse him. gay ppl need to be able to do the same thing. every bad thing we do is a temptation caused by satan ie. stealing, killing, lying etc. and the problem is the more ppl say its ok to be homosexual, the more ppl will become it. i live in Toronto and here so many ppl thinks its ok to be gay or are gay and all over the media they praise gay ppl for what they are doing but thats wrong. you shouldnt praise something thats wrong jus cuz some1 might call u "close minded".
slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
@slowtoyotaecho I never said that being born gay makes homosexuality okay; that's a different issue.
I'm saying that someone does not choose to be gay or straight.
But I understand why you are committed to the belief that homosexuality is a choice; if it wasn't a choice, God would have created people who are incapable of salvation. And that is not what the Bible teaches us.
dmcn19 1 year ago
@dmcn19 also, you can live through life without marrying someone. just because you are gay, it doesnt mean that you have to marry someone. there are plenty of heterosexuals that end up never marrying even though they would like too. so just because someone is attracted to the same sex, doesnt mean that person has to get together with the other person. they need to fight the temptation because it is satan that tempts us to do evil. remember, satan tried to tempt Jesus but Jesus was able to
slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
@slowtoyotaecho From my own biblical studies, though, I have found that neither God nor Jesus condemn homosexuality. God's message is perfect and truthful, not man's. And God is who I follow.
Now that I know this, it's much easier to address the question of choice in homosexuality; I don't have to question the fact that God loves us.
It's hard to really talk about these things on YouTube with short comments. If you are interested, send me a PM and I can link you to some interesting stuff.
dmcn19 1 year ago
@dmcn19 also, plz dont use the Bible to say homosexuality is ok because you hav the whole Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox Church against you. thats because it doesnt say its ok to be gay in the Bible. ppl use the excuse that there was no word for homosexuality back when the Bible was written but that doesnt mean that its ok just because there isnt a word for it. God said to Adam and Eve "be fruitful and multiply". there is no word of homosexuality in that phrase but its clear he wants us to
slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
@slowtoyotaecho
I do not follow the Roman Catholic or Greek Orthodox church. They are men, and are subject to all the imperfections of man. If every church in the world told me God's word was wrong, I would still follow God.
I follow God, and God's word. I worship God, not a church.
Jesus taught us this.
If you are interested, send me a private message. I want to stop flooding this video with my comments.
dmcn19 1 year ago
@dmcn19 so youve just admitted that your not baptized.
slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
@nakallo though that person is "supposedly" born gay.
slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
@slowtoyotaecho Stupidity, Consumerism, Narrow-mindedness, etc - this are things we can choose to be. Your eyes colour, your skin colour, your stature, your finger prints, etc. are things we can't choose, because this are characteristics of our human existence. is it possible for your free will to change your eye colour? I think it's not possible.. Is it possible for your mind to extend your poind of view and avoid stupidity? i think yes and it's a metter of free will. Clear?
gentguddah 1 year ago
@gentguddah what the hell does physical appearance have to do with homosexuality? God didn't say its a sin to have brown eyes or have black skin or be skinny or fat. but he said its a sin to do homosexual acts. so before you call someone stupid, take a look at your own views first.
slowtoyotaecho 1 year ago
"They shall surely be put to death" NB. PUT TO DEATH - as in purposefully killed. As in murdered!
Now go watch one of Matt Slick's videos about 'moral absolutes' and decide if you really want to give up your conscience to ideas like this.
Hufflewaffle 1 year ago
@sadmachine Sex was God' idea- he created it to be done within his boundaries. Like the speaker said, we create our own belief systems and shun God's so that we can justify the way we live. We become our own God's when in truth, you can't even control whether you will wake up tomorrow.
Salsaloquita 1 year ago
@JHP717 It probably won't help to harp on people's shortcomings/sin. Just continue to love him, build a deep relationship with him and don't back down from explaining how Christ has changed your life in regular conversation. That way Christ will shine through in your deeds. Just present the Gospel to him, the amazing sacrifice of JC. Repentance from sin will be realized later. Let God convict his heart first. Remember, it's not your responsibility to "save" people, just love them.
Salsaloquita 1 year ago
this is sad these things are the things that gets me thinking a lot! :(
16ladygirl 1 year ago
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charliesballbag 1 year ago
This video has cracked me up. I'm going to look for more vids like this. This is better than the very best comedy.
trixxxy100 1 year ago
I bet you a million bucks that this guy has sucked cock at some stage in his life.
trixxxy100 1 year ago 3