A 48 point patchbay has 96 jacks in it. You should also write notes about what is plugged in. Don't trust some pesky stickers... Also, you must relist every input and output on the patchbay for every new piece of gear you buy...
What would I need if I just want to record lets say a few different instruments into a sound card, and have everyone able to hear the mix through headphones. So it could be used for jamming as well as recording.
I've heard that if you have say a two channel interface, and you want to record drums (7 mics - 7 channels) you can use a patchbay to record all of them. Can you explain that? or is that not possible?
@cristianokeller the bottom row rear outputs (some of them) are sent to mixer channels, and the mixer is handling instrument signals in and monitor siglnals out.
The mixer outs and monitor ins can also be going through patch bay channels.
Cool video. I am looking for more of an in-depth explanation as I am making a patchbay from scratch for someone. So your saying all of the wiring, coming to the TOP row of the BACK of the patchbay are inputs correct? You have a device sending a signal to the TOP and BACK row? Then in the front, the top row becomes an output yes?
@dglowack yes. The rear is top in spliced to bottom out. The front top row acts as a set of outputs alternative to the bottom rear outputs. The front bottom row are inputs which replace & disconnect the rear top row (in) and the rear bottom row (out).
@jaydavee Thanks. When you make one, how do you determine beforehand if you need it wired normaled, half-normaled, or non-normaled? I saw in some pics elsewhere there are a few ways of wiring it. Of the the jacks in the bay have normals, and some don't.
Also, since the bottom row in the FRONT of the bay is input, I'm taking it that the wires in the back are outputs, sending the signals to various places, yes?
@dglowack Each row should have a switch for at least normal and half-normal options. Even though half-normal might be the mode almost everything uses, it would be constricting for there to be no normal option. It sounds like you are looking at diagrams of connection examples which don't show the switch.
Some of the back bottom row will be going to mixer channel ins. Some of the back bottom row will be going to amplifier ins.
Why not buy a ready-made one? They are always low-cost.
I'm sure you know what you're talking about... But, in this video...you sound kind of arcane. Pretty much a patchbay is a device that can not only have everything wired properly, but can take on experimental or temporary hook ups...with three different configurations... Okay..wonderful.. Great!
@dhollseed A patch bay makes it to where everything still has a useable input or an output even while plugged in. It is useful for redirecting ins and outs already in the patch bay, and things not already in the patch bay can be plugged in to take over a signal. It's for flexibility without having to unplug the usual studio connections.
Question..... So can i plug compressors, exciters, etc in the patch bay? If so, then after plugging those, that would give me the ability to route compressor to vocals or guitars right?
that's a good tutorial. but i want to know this...if i have a condenser, how I'm supposed to plug it in and how i give it the 48v that it needs to work?
condenser mics that require phantom power are always only plugged in at the preamp or the mixer (if the mixer has good enough preamps). The outputs of the preamp would be the kind of component that goes in the input of a patch bay. But, I personally never felt it necessary or desirable to have the condenser mic channel through the patch bay.
Great video! i look around on you tube and you are the clearest so far.Please do more on how to connect gears of all sort; monitor,keyboards,compressors,EQs,and the whole works.I really do think you should take the time out to teach us more on the topic.Please send me your new ones when you add them.Thanks again!
Hey great tutorial my man. I've been bewildered by these simple pieces of studio equipment for a very very long time. I feel like I've just discovered fire.......lol. Just a quick question if I may. Is it possible to have ins &/or outs plugged into the back without having them paired to any other in or out in the back, and would they still be patchable in the front? I hope my question makes sense.
I'm only partially sure that what you're asking about might be "Thru mode" on the switches. Thru or through mode. Through mode won't be on all patch bays though. Have to find one that does have it. It's not a very useful mode to use a patch bay for.
It might. But on the other hand, the fact that the words come out slow made it easier for me to understand the whole thing. And it may be that it was this slow character that you felt as boring rather than the voice.
Mouser is a good place if you know what you're looking for. Typically you'd be using XLR and/or 1/4" stereo jacks (for TRS connections), but you can wire up whatever you want. You wire them together differently depending on if you want open (non-normalled), normalled or half-normalled operation or make it switchable between a combination. Hammond makes good quality aluminum rackmount enclosures (RM_U series), but in small quantity they're over $100 each. You only need that, knowledge and solder.
Not realy, This video doesn't hit very hard on the conection of signal processors which is what a patchbay is more typicaly used for. Say you have a rack with a nice mic pre and an LA-2A and then a Lexicon reverb unit. You can have them all hooked up to the patch bay and route all your signals however you need to, ex. Output 6 into Mic Pre, from Pre to LA-2A and then out of the LA-2A to the Reverb and out of the Reverb into Input 4 on your interface. That's "patching" FX. Peace
the phrase "send a few mic's signals to a" indicates the job of a mixer not a patch bay. Even though it's possible to plug a bunch of mics into a patch bay, you could really only patch one thing at a time to an EQ's jack(s). Patch bay is for a premium sort of splicing where 1 connection is intended to always be 1 connection: not to be used as a splitter.
It sounds like you should get a mixer plenty of extra channels to use for recorded track mixdowns. Plenty of extra tracks will eliminate the unplugging from recording tracks and will be less confusing too.
Hey man... great video. Very entertaining too. I recently picked up a patch bay, but I'm having an issue with unbalanced equipment through my balanced patchbay. I have balanced patch cables, balanced patch bay, and balanced connections to my audio interface, but half of my equipment is unbalanced. If I plug it in, I get nothing. From what I've read, this should work. Do you have any input on the issue? It's very appreciated! Thanks.
this patch bay is also balanced. It is model PX3000. I have all unbalanced connections working in it. If I were to plug a balanced cable into an output, I would then have to correctly split the two signals to go into correct receiving mono inputs.
balanced is very convenient if both sides of the connection are balanced. It's one extra step of converting if one side is not really balanced. Messing with the stereo out of a synth or drum machine with one balanced cable was sorta fun with stereo headphones.
it all begins by treating the back like a bunch of splicers. It all makes sense from there especially once you have one in your possession to mess around with. Treat half-normal like the default.
Thank you for this video. I keep playing it to help me figure out my Behringer Patchbay and my myriad of rack effects and drum machines. I hope to one day get it right and you have been and continue to be a great resource.
Clear as mud
brizzyroz 1 week ago
I should get this for connecting my pedal and effects arrays so I can shorten up my chains or repatch as needed.
BlackGnosis 1 month ago
THE REAR
subliminaldecibel 1 month ago
SLIP HER THE BUDDY YEAH... STICK ITTO EM
subliminaldecibel 1 month ago
you jus stick em in YEAH HAHA HA
subliminaldecibel 1 month ago
willis
SGwizard1 2 months ago
I can't tell weather you are High, Stoned or Drunk?
But for some strange reason, I actually understand exactly what you are telling me.
THANK YOU!
2SugarsPleeze 3 months ago
You're cool
FaulconbridgeStudio 4 months ago
I understand what a patchbay does thanks to this vid but it is VERY unclear and chaotic.
PhotonVision 5 months ago
great video, thanks mate
DeRex9 5 months ago
Ok great! now would you stop doing crack cocaine? just saying LOL
checkabreak 5 months ago
I finally undserstand patchbays!!! Thanks.
WaxDat8800 6 months ago
ha ha. I have that exact same patch bay!
fooloof 7 months ago
A 48 point patchbay has 96 jacks in it. You should also write notes about what is plugged in. Don't trust some pesky stickers... Also, you must relist every input and output on the patchbay for every new piece of gear you buy...
mr4y 7 months ago
Just spit it out. Youve got to stop repeating yourself. Otherwise good video
MrKofkon 9 months ago
Thanks dude that was a really informative video. Made me laugh with your intro hahaha
daxwax1 9 months ago
tx man!! check our newest original music video on my music channel bbuteo!! i just get a patchbay and your video was veru useful, and tx 4 that!!
guitargamery 11 months ago
lol
Robfalcon501 1 year ago
Good vid. Thanks!!
jimnihil 1 year ago
What would I need if I just want to record lets say a few different instruments into a sound card, and have everyone able to hear the mix through headphones. So it could be used for jamming as well as recording.
raremess 1 year ago
I've heard that if you have say a two channel interface, and you want to record drums (7 mics - 7 channels) you can use a patchbay to record all of them. Can you explain that? or is that not possible?
Johnfrooshlover 1 year ago
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And how to monitor everything that is connected to the back? ie. If you want to monitor that synthesizer? What to do? Nice video!
cristianokeller 1 year ago
And how to monitor everything that is connected to the back? ie. If you want to monitor that synthesizer? What to do? Thanks for the video!
cristianokeller 1 year ago
@cristianokeller the bottom row rear outputs (some of them) are sent to mixer channels, and the mixer is handling instrument signals in and monitor siglnals out.
The mixer outs and monitor ins can also be going through patch bay channels.
jaydavee 1 year ago
@cristianokeller I Got The Rack Shelf!
TheeAldeen 2 months ago
@TheeAldeen I sold that 3 years ago. It took long enough to get there :D I hope it arrived the same year I sent it. I remember sending that to Texas.
jaydavee 1 month ago
Cool video. I am looking for more of an in-depth explanation as I am making a patchbay from scratch for someone. So your saying all of the wiring, coming to the TOP row of the BACK of the patchbay are inputs correct? You have a device sending a signal to the TOP and BACK row? Then in the front, the top row becomes an output yes?
Hope I explained myself properly,....
dglowack 1 year ago
@dglowack yes. The rear is top in spliced to bottom out. The front top row acts as a set of outputs alternative to the bottom rear outputs. The front bottom row are inputs which replace & disconnect the rear top row (in) and the rear bottom row (out).
jaydavee 1 year ago
@jaydavee Thanks. When you make one, how do you determine beforehand if you need it wired normaled, half-normaled, or non-normaled? I saw in some pics elsewhere there are a few ways of wiring it. Of the the jacks in the bay have normals, and some don't.
Also, since the bottom row in the FRONT of the bay is input, I'm taking it that the wires in the back are outputs, sending the signals to various places, yes?
dglowack 1 year ago
@dglowack Each row should have a switch for at least normal and half-normal options. Even though half-normal might be the mode almost everything uses, it would be constricting for there to be no normal option. It sounds like you are looking at diagrams of connection examples which don't show the switch.
Some of the back bottom row will be going to mixer channel ins. Some of the back bottom row will be going to amplifier ins.
Why not buy a ready-made one? They are always low-cost.
jaydavee 1 year ago
Thanks brother, looking at getting my first patch bay. This was very useful.
BenyaminTieh 1 year ago
I'm sure you know what you're talking about... But, in this video...you sound kind of arcane. Pretty much a patchbay is a device that can not only have everything wired properly, but can take on experimental or temporary hook ups...with three different configurations... Okay..wonderful.. Great!
Shaded07 1 year ago
Yeah but, what does a patchbay do?
dhollseed 1 year ago
@dhollseed A patch bay makes it to where everything still has a useable input or an output even while plugged in. It is useful for redirecting ins and outs already in the patch bay, and things not already in the patch bay can be plugged in to take over a signal. It's for flexibility without having to unplug the usual studio connections.
jaydavee 1 year ago
thanks men...!
acetatostereo 1 year ago
That's it, I gotta go urethra out to urinal in.
jasonyonanturlock 1 year ago
how do you connect a SSL aws 900 to a patch bay?...what other gears from the producer's desk do you suggest?
JCfallarah 1 year ago
"What'chu say" GAGAGHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAGAFDHFdghdfg
Gunn1Tromm 1 year ago
Question..... So can i plug compressors, exciters, etc in the patch bay? If so, then after plugging those, that would give me the ability to route compressor to vocals or guitars right?
mrjadams 2 years ago
that's a good tutorial. but i want to know this...if i have a condenser, how I'm supposed to plug it in and how i give it the 48v that it needs to work?
GALLERYSTUDIO 2 years ago
condenser mics that require phantom power are always only plugged in at the preamp or the mixer (if the mixer has good enough preamps). The outputs of the preamp would be the kind of component that goes in the input of a patch bay. But, I personally never felt it necessary or desirable to have the condenser mic channel through the patch bay.
jaydavee 2 years ago
Thanks a lot man; very clear and GOOD info and it is much appreciated.
Muggwhumpp 2 years ago
Great video! i look around on you tube and you are the clearest so far.Please do more on how to connect gears of all sort; monitor,keyboards,compressors,EQs,and the whole works.I really do think you should take the time out to teach us more on the topic.Please send me your new ones when you add them.Thanks again!
dekarateman 2 years ago
Hey great tutorial my man. I've been bewildered by these simple pieces of studio equipment for a very very long time. I feel like I've just discovered fire.......lol. Just a quick question if I may. Is it possible to have ins &/or outs plugged into the back without having them paired to any other in or out in the back, and would they still be patchable in the front? I hope my question makes sense.
DaggaJGM 2 years ago
I'm only partially sure that what you're asking about might be "Thru mode" on the switches. Thru or through mode. Through mode won't be on all patch bays though. Have to find one that does have it. It's not a very useful mode to use a patch bay for.
jaydavee 2 years ago
Crystal clear. Really helpful. I like your way of explaining things. Hope to see more! Thanks very much.
MichaelBelfast 2 years ago
Thank's. Now I finally understand what a patch bay does and how it works. After 20 years of a wrong vision about what it was.
astonishingCarpet 2 years ago
on the back of the patch bay, where do the outputs on each channel go to?
keiran110 2 years ago
It depends on how your wiring was before you had the pach bay.
Let's take an example.
Before you had the patch pay, your synth was plugged directly in your amp.
Now you have your patch bay, and you plug your synth in a rear input.
The pupose of the output is to connect your synth to your amp.
So you put another cable in the corresponding rear output (below) and connect it with your amp.
So it works as it always did.
But you now have freedom to change the signal paths (with front part).
astonishingCarpet 2 years ago
thank you for this video, it helped me. but your voice sounds so boring
MarcoKessi 2 years ago
It might. But on the other hand, the fact that the words come out slow made it easier for me to understand the whole thing. And it may be that it was this slow character that you felt as boring rather than the voice.
astonishingCarpet 2 years ago
anyone know of where I can find parts to build a custom patchbay, so that my entire system and run through it?
ReadyTape 2 years ago
Mouser is a good place if you know what you're looking for. Typically you'd be using XLR and/or 1/4" stereo jacks (for TRS connections), but you can wire up whatever you want. You wire them together differently depending on if you want open (non-normalled), normalled or half-normalled operation or make it switchable between a combination. Hammond makes good quality aluminum rackmount enclosures (RM_U series), but in small quantity they're over $100 each. You only need that, knowledge and solder.
coreyyoung78 2 years ago
Does the firewire cable make those rear connections redundant now?
buskerbuoy 2 years ago
Not realy, This video doesn't hit very hard on the conection of signal processors which is what a patchbay is more typicaly used for. Say you have a rack with a nice mic pre and an LA-2A and then a Lexicon reverb unit. You can have them all hooked up to the patch bay and route all your signals however you need to, ex. Output 6 into Mic Pre, from Pre to LA-2A and then out of the LA-2A to the Reverb and out of the Reverb into Input 4 on your interface. That's "patching" FX. Peace
necusrocus 2 years ago
Really great tutorial! Thank you VERY much!
RyuBlade1980 2 years ago
Hey man thanks for this i appreciate it very much.
tomsmirk 2 years ago
You sound like Wade Phillips (Dallas Cowboy Coach)
ColdGripHandle 2 years ago
smoke weed much? :D
athox 2 years ago
I don't smoke anything, but I do use a vaporizer or e-cigs to vape instead. It's a habit, but it's a real clean one.
jaydavee 2 years ago
Great video, I really appreciated the thoroughness. :)
Question: so does it mean that a patchbay contains normalized signal paths?
Animatronica 2 years ago
does this plug in 1/4 cables
Krimynal0Intent 2 years ago
yes. That's a PX3000 Balanced patchbay. 1/4" balanced or 1/4" mono plugs can be used in it.
jaydavee 2 years ago
thanks
Krimynal0Intent 2 years ago
For mixing how is it setup?
How would I have it so I could easily send a few mic's signals to a EQ, a compressor or maybe some different PREAMPS?
I send my SM57 to top on the back and back out through the bottom to the back. Then use the front to connect in an EQ/EFFECT like a FX loop?
thanks
UberTroll13 2 years ago
the phrase "send a few mic's signals to a" indicates the job of a mixer not a patch bay. Even though it's possible to plug a bunch of mics into a patch bay, you could really only patch one thing at a time to an EQ's jack(s). Patch bay is for a premium sort of splicing where 1 connection is intended to always be 1 connection: not to be used as a splitter.
jaydavee 2 years ago
It sounds like you should get a mixer plenty of extra channels to use for recorded track mixdowns. Plenty of extra tracks will eliminate the unplugging from recording tracks and will be less confusing too.
jaydavee 2 years ago
I got an old patch bay.. thanks for breaking it down.
Captnuendo 3 years ago
thanks dude.. very good explanation..!!!
pramodmeee 3 years ago
i always wondered what these things were in the college studio lol. takes someone who talks really slow and simply to explain it well.
cheers
mtrickett1 3 years ago
thanks, you helped me out for my coursework
daboos86 3 years ago
thx for the info. setting up my studio in the summer!
thedrewandbenshow123 3 years ago
Very good and simple explanations. Keep it up. It's good that someone is actually explaining things clearly.
proctor940 3 years ago
Hey man... great video. Very entertaining too. I recently picked up a patch bay, but I'm having an issue with unbalanced equipment through my balanced patchbay. I have balanced patch cables, balanced patch bay, and balanced connections to my audio interface, but half of my equipment is unbalanced. If I plug it in, I get nothing. From what I've read, this should work. Do you have any input on the issue? It's very appreciated! Thanks.
TheOriginalSpaceman 3 years ago
this patch bay is also balanced. It is model PX3000. I have all unbalanced connections working in it. If I were to plug a balanced cable into an output, I would then have to correctly split the two signals to go into correct receiving mono inputs.
jaydavee 3 years ago
balanced is very convenient if both sides of the connection are balanced. It's one extra step of converting if one side is not really balanced. Messing with the stereo out of a synth or drum machine with one balanced cable was sorta fun with stereo headphones.
jaydavee 3 years ago
im so confused, but it did help
jhook6d9her 3 years ago
oh my god, im so confused, kind of got the idea but not really
KingGoreGoth 3 years ago
it all begins by treating the back like a bunch of splicers. It all makes sense from there especially once you have one in your possession to mess around with. Treat half-normal like the default.
jaydavee 3 years ago
oh okay I see now, Yeah cause I was thinking of buying one but I didn't understand what the hell they were for, thanx man
KingGoreGoth 3 years ago
Thanks man!
TheDriveMaster 3 years ago
Thanks for the infoe well exspaind.
slimmivy 3 years ago
Complicated!!? Nah. Very strange way of explaining it.
smash4686 3 years ago
This was good, you broke it all down very well.
MBRHIndustries 4 years ago
Thanks for the explanation, with a bit of research finally understood it!!!
jblopez 4 years ago
This is kind of what I do for a living! Thanks for posting! Pat :o)
patman2112 4 years ago
After trying to understand you J.D. I'm feeling completely disconected from myself!
Great equipment, machine man! Um dia eu chego lá...
Loved your last original vídeo "Welcome Back..."
Veralucy 4 years ago
that looks so complicated with all those wires and stuff, baby ... is it?
Lyekka3000 4 years ago
flexibility to the MAX
PositiveLogic 4 years ago
Interesting stuff.
snouter 4 years ago
Thank you for this video. I keep playing it to help me figure out my Behringer Patchbay and my myriad of rack effects and drum machines. I hope to one day get it right and you have been and continue to be a great resource.
75shovel61 4 years ago
Very cool, I would probably short something out and catch the house on fire. Looking forward to more, curious how your mixer and DAW fit in.
criticallanding 4 years ago 2
Nice toys you have there Dave!
Take care ;)
Skrapper 4 years ago 2
Damn babe! That shit was driving me mad on your face! Thank you!
Now I feel like a learned person. Now, make vids using your equipment! ;)
Stalota 4 years ago 2