Missing Persons in Pakistan - [1/3]

[strange1stranger]

left tears in my eyes...

[jawadahmadgill]

some still wants musharaf back son of bitch and son of pork (sour) he is.and still wants him back. rember it when u go for wotting,

[Jai666666666]

The answer will come from above.  They will fall from the sky, as great black vaultures of doom, on a banquet from hell and devour their way to a new tomorrow... Bon Appetit!!! :)

[terajasoos]

wasi zafar---gandhooka baccha

[kohi101]

This is nothing comparing what this Porkistani military doing in Balochistan

[saqaaf]

Dont you fuckers even think for a second why these assholes were arrested or picked up. they werent anti mush or anything but are all traitors working for foreign agencies and terrorist groups.

And WTF is wrong with u ppl? grow a sack get used to these things countries around the world do these things for their survival.

[kaych686]

o bhai...aafia saddiki kaysay US ponch gayi..can you answer that..even if she is guilty she should have a trial in Pakistan...i think you are forgetting that Musharraf claimed himself in his book that they took bounty money for giving people to US...

[saqaaf]

@kaych686 Duh! from Baghram to the US on a C17. And please also remember that she holds a US passport as well. In my eyes she was no longer a Pakistani the day she took the oath to get the US's passport.

[awaiskhantanoli]

ab be jo musharaf ko support kerte hain un ka ALLAH he hafiz....une perte wakat kabhi kalma naseeb nahi hoo ga...sharam hai hamare liay ke hamare country ko kia bana dia musharaf ne her jaga aag laga di hai...siasatdan be chor aur dictators be choor....Khuda ke liay logo khub be socho aur apne dousray bhaion ko be samjao ke une vote na dain jo pehlay azmai gahay hain..aur dua kerain ke yea sare log jino ne country ko luta hai wo aur Mushraraf hamaray samne pansey per latkey....

[EsotericDesi]

Everyone knows Pakistan's a shithole... I'm not suprised at all...

[usmannaseer751]

propoganda against musharraf

[adeel492]

bastard... u r still not convinced tht musharaf was a real lunatic bastard dictator in the history of pakistan.... jab tumhare ghar ka koi uthega na phr pochunga..... maderchood sala ....

[usmannaseer751]

bout choti soch haye meri jann

zara vision broad kar.......

app tou koush haye na teraa baap president lag gaya ahye.........

mOUJ kar.......

[klause13]

100 people found in illegal pakistani detention and yet some guys think they have gone for jihad :O??

[nobi04]

now a days Jihad definition has been changed...so we everyone think that Jihad is terriesm, but Jihad is one of the fundamental, to help ppl like these is Jihad.

[Hamdard80]

Allah S.W.T say that rulers of a nation are a reflection of itself.. Watch the videos and know that its merely a reflection of how deep we plunged and what has been bestowed upon us resultantly!

When Musharraf talks about the evil and the chaos in the country I totally believe him......... for if HE is what has come to be our DESTINY, we couldn't have been worse!

[guru2007006]

Good someone replied to my comments. I am not saying that they are terrorists as a fact, what I am saying is that why police have to capture few hundreds out of 160 million population of Pakistan? What government have to achieve to capture innocent peoples. I think they must have some kind of suspicion. It is a fact that all over the world many innocent peoples got involved in police suspicion, that's the way police work is.

[Ali801115]

cant understand your point mate. so if they have suspicion that a person is involved in some illegal activity, they can abduct him? "thats the way police work"? where? in democracies? there is a proper way of putting people to trial. there are courts and legal system. bypassing already established norms points to ill-intentions of govt.

[guru2007006]

Well I guess if does not matter what I say, U will just disagree. I can give you many examples by names in which peoples were detained for months just because of suspicion,. And yes it happened in democracies. And yes, that's how police work is.

[Ali801115]

bro its because u r saying something totally irrational and heart-breaking for all of us who think the issue of missing persons is heart-grieving and should be solved on priority basis through legal system. People disagree but they do have some basis for their arguments. you are saying something that even musharraf and agencies deny.

[guru2007006]

Please tell me what I said which is so wrong that even Musharraf denies it? USA has kept hundreeds of peoples in Guantanamo bay ? right

Do you beleive that USA has democracy. They let go baitullah mahsud and we all know what he has done later. These all guys are terrorists, and getting what they deserve. If they succeed people will losse life, as they are, so they have to be nip in the bud with a iron fist.

[defaultuser1983]

Yes I do agree it happens sometimes in democracies. But that is not a question yaar, The thing is... should it happen (even in democracies.)? And you will agree that in front of dictatorship the numbers will be negligible.

[guru2007006]

In principle, it should never happened, but as I said police is that way. In US, as you might know, may be year or two back many state governors put a stop on death penalty. They wanted a DNA test before the execution. After DNA many peoples were let go after 10-20 years in jail. So believe me it happens, its bad but it happens , and i don't think there is any other way. If you do, please let me know.

[defaultuser1983]

Please consult Shariyah Law.

[guru2007006]

Shariah law? For what?

Please watch "Live with Ghamadi" on Aaj TV.

[nobi04]

ghamdi just show his own perceptions, his own interpretation about Islam, he thinks modify Islam according to the situation, but real thing is to modify ourselves according to Islam and Sharia.

[guru2007006]

don't u think all ulema do the same thing. That is provide their own perception for one reason or other. No one is getting diretion from allah

[nobi04]

i dont think all Ulema r the same and i dont even think that ghamdi is Alim. every persception souldnt be against Quran and Hadith.

[guru2007006]

You are a typical bigot. That is, you believe that anything which is against you own thoughts is against Quran. Ths is destroying pakistan, since everone think that is is alam and can decide fate of others.

[nobi04]

why dont you think about urself same that, something is according to ur point of veiw you ppl said that this islam, Ghamdi Said, a girl just can wear cloak there is no need to hide face, if u see Al Ahzab 53, see translation, and if u can find Tafsee of Abdull Bin Abas RA. what they said. what others like Ibe Kaseer, a lot other say in the description of that Aya. hope so, u will find the difference between Mush-ghamdi enlightn modrate Islam and the true Islam.

[nobi04]

its a long story, but in short,his bothers asked to Ch. Bro. and that person lived in unknown prison for 1 and half year. just bcoz he disagree what they r doing for Ch. bro. so tell me,(they killed Ch. B's enemies, )what is suspicioness in it? yes just that i try to change his life. so plz do understand the realties, we dont try to like in fools paradise

[nobi04]

i dont think so u r living in Pakistan, u don't have an idea why police capture ppl, i know a person, he was a tarriest a real tarriest, he killed a lot of ppls, he captured and got death penalty, but due to some reasons, he had released, after that he totally changed, he left everything, even he was against his brothers, what they were doing is wrong, looting and murders are no good,his brothers was his step bothers and they had (still have) relations with Ch. Bothers Gujrat,

[guru2007006]

I have heard about this incident in which a shalwar of a guy was taken off by police, but after seeing this video, police never took it off deleberately, it just happened in grabbing, as a matter of fact cops were giving him the torn shalwar so that he can cover. Its all bad, but citizens have to bevae and don't do anything against their own people and government.

[atiqmalik]

I agree that while grabing him his shalwar probably went down; fine. But Polcie had the power, and out numbered protestors 1 to 10. Police was fully capable of leaving the poor boy alone for 5 seconds to let him pull the shalwar and re-capture. In fact police is at a level of indecency/brutality you either ignored or are not aware; just search for "Pakistan Police" on youtube and you will find plenty.

[guru2007006]

I just did some research in the net and I have found that the missing guy use to travel between Rawalpindi and bunnu often. I wonder what he was doing in bannu ?

[atiqmalik]

Well, maybe some pathan was his lover and the guy loved a f**k; but what does it prove? if you travel b/w Delhi & Amritsar frequently does it mean something? what a nonsense. I tell you something, you've got a sardar's mind :-) and we are not here for a chat. Gotta go; it is already 12 ... Goodbye!

[guru2007006]

Well let's keep this talk respectful.

If u travel fom Amritsar to delhi, it means nothing , but if u travel from amitsar or delihi ko kandhar, that mean something. I am not here to convinve, becasue i know you mind is already set.

[Ali801115]

the last line is great:) it applies to everyone including you:) you are thinking like mush or his family, here to defend their point of view. you have so many facts why dont you make a video too. here we saw around 28min video, you make a 10 min one about "abducting people without their consent is ok"

[Ali801115]

even if he was having an affair in bannu or making a bomb.. still it does not give anyone a right to make him disappear altogether.. kindly focus your research to "freedom" "human rights" "dictatorship" "democracy" and "law"

[guru2007006]

Where you want to look for democracy, freedom, human rights law ...etc. We never had these things. Its like cooking dal and expect chicken just because you heard about it from your neighbor. These things you mentioned are earned over time. We never had it and it will take time to get them.

[Ali801115]

for a start try wikipedia and answers dot com)! but kidnly dont say we never had it as you dont know about it.. add another focal point to your research "History of Pakistan". may i know your age plz?

[guru2007006]

Well please tell me when we had democracy. I am old enough to know that, but i guess u only had heard info. Only elections do not bring you to democracy.

[Ali801115]

you do seem old enough to know but not old enough to understand. now you are getting into the debate that "do elections bring democracy" stick to the point plz. you havent answered the fundamental question "do you think abducting anyone from his home, keeping him at a secret location, without contact with his family, without any judicial process, without giving him a fare trial, is ok?"

[guru2007006]

Yes, I will keep my words "Do elections bring democracy". My stand is absolutely not. If democracy is that easy US and GB must be wasting their time for last three hundred years. Yes it is one of the many steps towards democracy. You never mentioned your stand. Would you please? When we "Pakistanis" had democracy. I know your answer, but like to hear from you, because my answer is ready.

[Ali801115]

you are expecting me to answer your questions while you are holding back your answers:) i dont know your stand point on democracy or whether you want it or not or in which form you want it (actually i am not interested).

[guru2007006]

You are not interested since you are have no good arguments. As far as democracy is concerned , Winston churchill, who can be said father of democracy said about democracy, "It is the worst system of government except all others".

[guru2007006]

One of the presidents of United States said (can't remember name) said about democracy "Democracy means mobs on the streets" (actually he was aginst democracy just because of that reason. This is the kind of democracy we have in pakistan. As I said before, its not a right its a process.

[guru2007006]

As far as your question goes, I don't think governments like to abduct peoples for some kind of entertainment. I believe that if governments have enough suspicion , they can keep peoples before those peoples can commit something big. See my previous posting about Baitullah Mahsud.

[guru2007006]

Ok, you are just another guy. I give to good arguments and u ran way.

well good luck.

[Ali801115]

haha an argument out of place is an argument lost my dear friend. Its just that, i am not interested in your thoughts on basic human rights and democracy, you seem devoid of human emotions for the abducted "civilians" and their families(not all of them are terrorists and they should be tried for that, in court). your bias has made me think that u r in armed forces or related to it.

[guru2007006]

Well Again you are totally wrong. I am not in armed forces. No one in my whole family in armed forces, but I respect what they day everyday. I am sure you are punjabi. So guys did not said a single word when army took action against sindhis, balochis or mohajirs. But when it came to punjab, u all crying foul, as they say what goes around comes around. Now deal with it.

[nobi04]

thats not really true. Army is ever respectable.. but just bcoz of some decision makers they creating a bad image of Army. im from Punjab. i not appricate what they done in Baluchistan, what they are doing in wasirstan and swat and what so ever. there are law inforcement agencies, its there duty to bring suspect in the court. but where is court???

[Ali801115]

as for your other question .. before "in the line of fire" musharraf never admitted to missing persons issue and even this August, he denied that any pakistanis are under the custody of agencies on Geo Jawabdeh.

[guru2007006]

Please do tell me the page number where Musharraf said whatever you are claiming, any any link to Jawabdeh program. As far as I know, he mentioned somewhere (I guess when he was doing late night TV programs, not 100%) that the peoples are kept because the system is not there, and I totally agree what he is talking about. I will try to find that cliping for you.

[Ali801115]

so now its about page numbers and links :) sorry my friend i dont have time to get those for you. especially when you are shifting away from the real issue. issue of morality that should a person be held without his consent and a proper trial.

[guru2007006]

Yes it is page number otherwise you are just making up arguments. When you say something stick to it please.

[defaultuser1983]

In my personal opinion quite sensible arguements you have give and I really appreciate them. We are in a process of nation building. Be patient, have a firm belief and try (If you can't struggle).

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[defaultuser1983]

The proper way is just to arrest them and take them to the court. This is what everyone wants. Thats it. Nothing else. I'm unable to understand what do you want exactly.

[guru2007006]

Well the way you are telling should be the proper way. Unfortunately, it is only in books and theories. USA has Guantanamo bay to detain terrorists, and all the other European countries have special rules to handle terrorists including keeping them without charge for months (equal to disappearance). Tell me which country is doing well in dealing terrorists. I can give a list of the countires can't do anything to handle them.

[defaultuser1983]

But anyways I do respect your opinion but Totally disagree with you.

[guru2007006]

I feel bad about this lady, but her husband is responsible for bringing all this to his family. participating in terrorism is like playing with fire, which can even some time burn yourself. My question is why the govt of pak is interested in arresting few hundred peoples our of 160 million. There is got to be something. I am sure there are a vary minute number of innocent got involved.

[atiqmalik]

This is interesting. How do u know if these guys r terrorists? Were you one of them ;-) I mean did a court convicted them? Makes no sense to blame others w/o knowing and that's what this video is all about that there r ppl missing in Pakistan which is against civilization, democracy, civil liberty, & freedom we talk about everyday. If they are terrorists, bring them to court, trial them, and execute them ... no one will make such videos. BTW I'm now worried about these guys who've made this vid