Koreans make one thousand year tradition in a day! Ah hahahahahaha! What a Korean crap! When did you think of this stupid dancing with fake Japanese sword?
I´m so sick of the constant argument of Japanese and Korean swords, katana, hwando and others are all theyr all swords, who cares which influenced which? If we start arguing about that we might as well say that neither cultures invented sword as such. Both cultures are too great to be contempted by ridiculous argument. Japanese and Korean swords are like sabre and scimitar, just because one might have been influenced by other dosen´t mean that they shouldn´t be recogniced as unique.
@MsDjessa So true right there... People don't realize that they had their own swords even before even coming in contact with one and another. Katana and Hwando existed even before knowing each other's existence.
i like the the video. The woman is very graceful. The techniques she is using are interesting. I would love to incorporate some of these in my demo sword forms. Thanks Tassadar2k3 for pointing out we should enjoy instead of argueing about the sword origins. The best part is the dancers are dancing with razor sharp swords that would take only a slip to make things scary.
Well, some Japanese may not want to believe, but it is true that Korean history is longer than Japan. Also curved sword wasn't unique only to japan too.
you koreans should blame your grandparents for loseing the war and getting taken over by japan , too mee you guys just look like cry babys that did nothing to help yourself, japan got nuked on yeah they did cry but that was the past they moved on. revenge will always fail
@ogauku your an idiot the reason korea lost their country to japan isn't because they lost a war. Do some research before you go slandering others. Also did you know that at least a third of the people that died in japan due to the bomb were korean and chinese brought over for slave labor. Also did you know that the Japanese held secret inhumane experiments on various korean and chinese people and that the number of people who died in their labs is 4 times the number of victims from the bomb.
본국검 本国劒 (Bon Guk Gum) From 무예도보통지(武藝圖譜通志): "It appears Wubei Zhi ( 武備志) written by Mao Yuanyi (茅元儀) acquired the book of sword combat from Chosun considering he compared Chosun sword methods with Dang Un's. It is obvious Chosun Had already developed the manual of Bon Guk Gum ( 본국검 本国劒) as they were compared to Japanese Ssangsu." Chinese Bubishi is comparing Chosun's methods with Japanese!
Ironically his killer An Jung-geun strongly believed in a union of the three great countries in East Asia, China, Korea, and Japan in order to counter and fight off the "White Peril", being the European countries engaged in colonialism, restoring peace to East Asia.
Komei, who was strongly opposed to radical political changes, died at the age of 35. The official cause of death was smallpox. But there has been a theory widely believed at the time that the emperor was actually poisoned by the anti-Bakufu clique. See for example Chung (1910/2004, p.61), Jansen (1961, p.282), Nam (1999, p.111), and Ravina (2004, p.135).
them to arm themselves. Another point I want to indicate is that some of the Japanese user like Ebutuoy2004 are just spitting words out. If you wanna be respected, you should respect others. Kleeeenex1 is saying in a sort of respecting way, while you are just insulting his country. The last thing you guys are saying is "Korean is a liar." LOL, are you an elementary kid? what kind of logic is that? Bring True evidence to this conversation.
It is no problem at all that Korean had copied Japanese culture and created the modern martial art "Kumdo (or Gumdo)" of imitation of Kendo
But Koreans of Kumdo (or Gumdo) have insisted these big lies, "Kumdo (or Gumdo) is a Korean traditional martial art that existed from over 1000 years ago." "The Origins of Japanese Kendo is Kumudo (or Gumdo) in Korea." "Japanese Kendo is a sport which derived from Kumudo (or Gumdo) of Korea. "
@Ebutuoy2004 dude.. who cares what they say, theres ganna be crackheads in every country thinking everything originated in their own country , what matters is what the world thinks. and i already told you that it is derived from japanese kendo.
@Ebutuoy2004 it seems like you are just repeating yourself, what you dont seem to understand is, koreans never "stole" anything from japan, whereas japan took thousands of thousands of items wrongfully and forcefully. and made it into their "own"
@Ebutuoy2004 I am not sure who say those things, but I just checked korean websites and all koreans say that Gumdo DERIVED from Kendo. I don't think we need to argue about that.
know the technical term), which was really good but time consuming, while Hwando masters used "normal way", which was less time comsuming work. It doesn't mean that Korea didn't have the "folding" technique. They had the skill to do it, but they found it not needed. As you guys know, true fact that everyone agrees, is that Japan was in feudal system, while Korea was a centralized country (no offense intended). That meant that each lords in Japan needed their own "power" or soldiers, which caused
logically, in an objective view, China, Korea, and Japan each country had their unique swords.
China's sword is called Tai Chi, Korea's sword is called Hwando, and Japan's sword is called Katana. Of course they had other kinds of sword, but I think those are the swords that have similar looks. Concentrating on Korea, and Japan, which is the main focus of this discussion( or rather quarrel :D), The process of making swords were different. the Katana master used a way of folding (sorry I dont
One of the comments below says that Koreans are liar... when you discuss something, you bring an evidence that supports your opinion...to me you don't have any "proves".. you are just insulting koreans.
@Kleeeenex1 You are so digusting. Well, aren't we racist!? Righteousness, you say? Don't get conceited, mongrel! I can claim that the other country are shameless and Japan is righteous and I dare say some people will agree to what I say, as long as they aren't neutral or the same useless species who blabber nonsense like you. Or what? Are you some preacher man or some shit? Because God ain't gonna do you no good in this world.
@Exorcistkanda im sorry if i offended you in any way shape or form, i dont mean to disrespect as that is not my intentions , i simply copy and paste from sources that are internationally accepted, i never claimed to be a preacher nor a teacher . if youd like to discuss something you may but if you cant accept the truth then you will never succeed in anything
@Kleeeenex1 Truth, well the truth is Japanese, French, Germans and whatsoever, they are all equal. I just don't like how you are potraying Japan as the villian by saying "righteousness" as internationally might mean a certain combination of country not including the country in question. However, I will say, you are more reasonable than the majority and I will apologise for my insults.
@Exorcistkanda i agree, we are all humans and are equal. but the argument that was taking in place sparked by japanese nationalist who claimed that koreans copied japanese sword as shown above, the fact is most of korean artifacts were either destroyed or confiscated during jap occupation and that i dont really see how thats fair for japanese to claim korea stole the katana when in fact japanese are the ones that brought them over to korea along side with judo and kendo.
@Exorcistkanda im not a sword expert of any kind but it doesnt take much to realize that everything gains their influence and evolved from one another. such as the use of ring pommels,ie which first dates far back to chinese history.
and the Migration of Chinese and Korean swordsmiths to Japan where they transmitted their skills. is completely ignored.
and i just dont appreciate most of the japanese people claim that korea stole everything, and i just take my time to refute these accusations,
@Kleeeenex1 Well, this kind of things happen everytime. Let's just leave it at Japan and Korea created their own weapon, it is just that they are similar. Not like they are going to strife over this issue, so I don't see a problem with that. I mean if we talk about weapons, I am sure Katana would be associated with the Samurai but the Korea themselves have made a powerful weapon by right, the Singijeon, which is unique to them.
@Exorcistkanda Nowaday, the young people in any country won't even bother about who stole which weapon and the only one who would argue about it would be the middle age and above.
@Exorcistkanda i agree , i just hope that asians can unite and accept that as close neighbors we had major influences on one another, and use this energy to fight off the real enemy , imperialist white nations such as russia and gain our original homeland territory.
@Kleeeenex1 Not to mention, what we now know as "Japanese Fencing," or Kendo, was a swordsmanship style that was originally created in Korea, but found indifference in its native land and instead found much popularity in its migration to Japan.
Also, the Chinese stole the craft of porcelain making from the Koreans during medieval times.
you japanese keep contradicting yourself, how the fuck am i lying? im using western sources. written and researched by white people. i can barely even read korean to be honest, please stop lying and tell the truth.
@hosozoku umm, katana was produced in Muromachi period (1392–1573), curved swords existed throughout the Muslim world from at least the Ottoman period, with early examples dating to Abbasid era (9th century) Khurasan. We can say that the japanese stole ideas from the middle eastern countries then. shall we continue?
Japanese swords had already been exported to Song in the 11th century (during the Heian period). "欧陽修" (Ouyang Xiu, 1007 - 1072 years) who was a poet of the Song era got Japanese sword, and composed "日本刀歌 (Japanese sword song)".
Features of the Japanese swords is in the steelmaking process.
The curved sword had already existed even in ancient Egyptian dynasties, so curve of sword is not a feature of Japanese swords.
You should learn the correct historical knowledge more and more.
@Ebutuoy2004 i dont know what your arguing about? you say korean stole japanese curved sword, but i just proved to you , curved sword wasnt unique only to japan, alone that , steel curved sword, so what has korea stole? you tell me, and also give us back the 100,000 items that japanese stole from korea and continues to deny even to this day, japanese are the main thieves of korea.
@Ebutuoy2004 i agree , japanese mostly gained knowledge from china by way of korea, and honestly i dont know much about swords nor did i upload this video, but korea also developed japanese culture whether they liked it or not.
examples are sson soo do sword which derived from the katana, and also gumdo which derived from kendo.
i dont think you can say we stole , when japanese are the one that brought katanas over to korea. and i agree katana is unique and developed in japan.
There was no need to "steal" something from Korea. Annexation means Korea was unified with Japan, though it may still not mean a single state like Hawaii as the 51th state of U.S. But the Japanese and Korean assets were interchangeable without "stealing" or "robbing." In fact, over 1 million Japanese books are still in Korean libraries and universities. The Korean assets now in Japan are never the result of looting or robbery. You are too stupid to understand this.
Japan and Korea were not two separate states at the time. It isn't that Korean assets were transferred to Japan against law. Or are you saying Japanese government officers did "looting" or "robbery" from Korean museums or temples? OMG! They were not stolen or forcibly robbed. Your argument is based on your dream that Japan and Korea were two separate states at the time.
It isn't that the transfers of assets were something to be blamed as crimes committed by the Japanese government. And who knows? It's likely that Koreans were happy when they knew their treasures were brogut to the Japanese Imperial House and prestigious museums, just as today's K-poop groups look very happy when they make hits in Japan because they can make it a good selling point for the rest of the world. Use your brain.
"There was no need to "steal" something from Korea. Annexation means Korea was unified with Japan"
You mean like how Hitler annexed Poland? Iraq annexed Kuwait?....Korea was forcfully annexed which means anything taken was stealing or are "You are too stupid to understand this" Love to see what history books your reading from. Japan has been critized for decades for rewriting its own history. I am neither Japanese, Korean or Asian, so I am not biased.
Annexation was initially proposed from the Korean side (JoongAng Ilbo, Aug. 27, 2001). Here is a message from former Korean president Pak Jeong-hui:
"Annexation was our choice. It isn't that Japan invaded our land. It was our forefathers' decision to admit annexation. If we had chosen Quing (清), we would have seen a bigger turmoil as Quing fell very soon.
"If we had chosen Imperial Russia, the whole peninsula would have been turned into a communist state as Imperial Russia also died out very soon. The entire peninsula, both north and south, would have been communized in the end. I wouldn't say that Japan was the best option. But we had to make our choice anyway, and I think Japan was the only option left to us."
Korea was on the brink of bankruptcy and Japan paid off their debts. She'd have been a part of Russia otherwise.
Your not convincing me. In January 1876 Japan employed gunboat diplomacy to pressure Korea to sign the Treaty of Ganghwa, an unequal treaty which opened three Korean ports to Japanese trade and granted extraterritorial rights to Japanese citizens.
The Empress Myeongseong of Korea was assassinated on 8 October 1895 by Japanese agents.
After Japans defeat of Russia in 1905 and under the Treaty of Portsmouth, signed in September 1905, Russia acknowledged Japan's "paramount political, military, and economic interest" in Korea
In May 1910, the Minister of War of Japan, Terauchi Masatake, was given a mission to finalize Japanese control over Korea (Mind you "The Minister of WAR")....Again I say your sources are wrong and biased...I wont even get into the forced learning of the Japanese language, The forced conscription of koreans into the Japanese Army and the taking of Korean women to serve as Prostitutes for front line Japanese soldies or do you deny that too?
@MrBooRadly theres no point arguing with this kid, hes stubborn as they come, even top japanese elites agree with koreans, as with the rest of the world,
I have no idea about the Treaty of Ganghwa, but I believe that has no direct connection with later annexation. As for the assasination of Empress Myeongseong, I would say she was a Kim Jong-Il of the time - the worst enemy of the people. She sold a Korean port to Russia to make money for her luxuary. Japan hastened to buy back the port to prevent Russia from getting an unfrozen port on the peninsula. She was the enemy of Japan's national security, too.
At the time, the public opinion of Korea was divided into the open-country and exclusionist factions. That of Japan was also divided into pro- and anti-annexation factions. Ito Hirobumi was in opposition to annexation, while Terauchi Masatake was in favour of annexation. When Ito was assasinated by An Jung-geun, the pro-annexation faction got power over the anti faction, eventually managing annexation into reality.
If An Jung-geun hadn't killed Ito, Korea might have been saved from annexation. Why do you Koreans glorify him as the symbol of independence? It's absolutely opposite, isn't it?
As for coerced comfort women, I'm fed up with repeating the same argument here. I just stop by saying: at the time there were over 240,000 Korean volunteer soldiers and civilians in the Japanese Army. You could've been real mother f**kers if Korean sex slavery had been the case.
@iganinja375 these are 15 reason why An Jung Geun, Our brave hero got rid of ito. 1. Assassinating the Korean Empress Myeongseong 2. Dethroning the Emperor Gojong. 3. Forcing 14 unequal treaties on Korea.[12] 4. Massacring innocent Koreans. 5. Taking the power of Korean government by force. 6. Plundering Korean railroads, mines, forests, and rivers. 7. Forcing the use of Japanese banknotes. 8. Disbanding Korean armed forces. 9. Obstructing education of Koreans.
12. Spreading a rumor to the world that Koreans wanted Japanese protection.
13. Deceiving the Japanese Emperor by saying that the relationship between Korea and Japan was peaceful when in truth it was full of hostility and conflicts.
14. Breaking the peace of Asia.
15. Assassinating the Emperor Komei.[13] those are 15 reason why , an jung geun wrote why he took out ito
@iganinja375 it is known he did delayed the annexation, but does not change the fact how poorly koreans were treated.
Gojong and the Joseon government believing in these claims, agreed to help the Japanese military. However, the opinion of Joseon soon turned against Japan as many Japanese actions were considered to be too brutal and barbaric including confiscation of lands and drafting civilians for forced labor, even executing those that resisted.
The list of your denunciations is too long (wrong) to refute one by one, but that's basically what annexation was all about. More than half of the list are, however, lies and slanders. You still don't seem to realize that you'd been taught full of bullshit back in Korean school. People who write about the true history of Korea are indicted there.
There are not a few Koreans here in Japan who wrote books about the true history of Korea.
But those books will never be published in Korea. Some of my arguments are based on the book of those Koreans who realized the truths of Korea outside Korea. Some Koreans are, however, too bumb to realize the truths even after getting out of Korea, just like you.
Just think, why are the Koreans and Taiwanese are so opposite in what they say about Japanese? They got through almost the same experiences under Japanese rule. There must be something wrong with Koreans, definitely.
I forgot to add one thing. The sex slavery case was not on your list. Where is it? You've given it up? We are going to demand apology for spreading the shameless lie all over the world if you admit it's a lie.
The rest of the condemnations in your list will have the same fate.
@iganinja375 i just hear bullshit, how come you dont write anything countering my argument? i see you give up trying to argue with me, like i said in the end righteousness shall prevail, .
"You still don't seem to realize that you'd been taught full of bullshit back in Korean school"
oh actually , i was born in the states and went to american schools my entire life, meaning my 1st language is english.
like i said keep your stubborn mouth closed, and save your kind from embarassment
@iganinja375 "The sex slavery case was not on your list. Where is it? You've given it up? "
if you actually took the time to research what your arguing about, you'll soon come to realize that the list was written after Ito Hirobumi's death in 1909. written by An Jung Geun following his death in 1910. and if your dumbass researched when japan occupation of korea was , you'll also find out it was ..29 August 1910 to 15 August 1945..
@iganinja375 so far... you havent won a single argument with me, just shows how far japanese goes to hide their bullshit. its pretty sad.. just keep your mouth closed.
@hosozoku actually its you guys that should be shameful , it is known that at least 100,000 Korean artifacts were looted and stolen during Japanese rule. and this was continuously denied by the japanese government, during the excavation of royal japanese imperial family, sources found korean artifacts within the royal graves, furious, the japan immediately closed off the site, also the korean idu writing system was found in the burial sites engraved on Inariyama Sword.
It was my pleasure to serve as a missionary to Korea and see this type of sword dance in person..(such beauty & grace)..then to earn my 2nd degree BlackBelt in HDK while there in Korea added to love & appreciation I now enjoy in my retirement years here in the States....blessings on the young woman in this video.
and throughout this whole argument, you havent once gave me a solid source besides the 'japanese' wiki, of course japan would tell you only what you want to hear.
You are contradicting yourself. You say Buddhism was introduced into China in the 1st century, and yet they didn't migrate to northan India till the middle of the 7th century (so they didn't introduced Buddhism till the middle of the 7th century????).
@iganinja375 what are you talking about?? how am i contradicting myself? just cause chinese monks didnt migrate to india till later doesnt mean that they werent introduced to buddhism earlier. same thing with japan they were introduced buddhism around 552 ad, they didnt migrate out to india until (607-645) what are you talking about? seems like your the one contradicting yourself
@iganinja375 you just keep trying to bring up chinese monks and you say that they brought the sutras over from india, you act like thats all it matters ,when in fact Indian monks continued to travel along the Silk Road to teach Buddhism, and translation work was primarily done by foreign monks rather than Chinese. so i dont know why it matters who migrates to india and collects the sutras , when they were already influencing china via the silk road
@iganinja375 i dont know why im arguing with you, you wont admit that your wrong, so stubborn, just type in "japanese buddhism' in google and read that shit yourself , youll understand i wasnt making up anything. i really dont know why you would continue to argue with me.
What you ultimately want to say is that you once brought Buddhism to Japan, right? But you are bragging about something you never created by yourselves. Buddhism originated in India. I suppose you haven't even translate a single Buddism sutra from Sanskrit into Chinese by youselves, have you? You just handed them over to us. Why do you want to make us feel indebted much to you for just an errand?
@iganinja375 im sorry if i offend you or your country but i am just pasting information based on highly intellectual sources, i do not know what you mean by bragging, i never said we created buddhism? if you actually take the time to read my messages then maybe you'd understand. dude , the chinese didnt even make the first translation themselves , they received the same way as korea and japan, what you need to understand is
@iganinja375 now what you need to do is accept it and move on. unless you more information to back up your theory, honestly im grateful the chinese hooked korea up with buddhism and writing system. i dont get why you japanese have a hard time accepting that korea civilized japan?
It may look as if "Korea civilized Japan", but actually, as in the case of Buddhism, what reached to Japan were rarely originated on the Korean Peninsula but came from somewhere beyond the Peninsula in most cases. The Confucian phylosophy, iron making, to name a few. The Korean Peninsula was just the passage way of culture and technology - you tube.
@iganinja375 i apologize if i may said it wrong, but korea had a major influence on japan. and i agree those things did not originate in korea, maybe this will make it more clear,
In any case, these Koreans, diplomats and royal relatives or not, brought to Japan knowledge of the Chinese writing system, Buddhism, iron processing for weapons, and various other technologies.[19][20] In exchange, Japan provided military support.[
@iganinja375 Japan was a confederation of local tribes without sophisticated iron weapons, while the Three Kingdoms of Korea were fully developed centralized powers with modern iron weapons and were already utilizing horses for warfare. It is very unlikely that a developing state such as Yamato had the capacity to cross the sea and engage in battles with Baekje and Silla
@iganinja375 The first documented translation of Buddhist scriptures into Chinese occurs in 148 CE with the arrival of the Parthian prince-turned-monk An Shigao (Ch. 安世高).
Do you also mean you Koreans travelled to India, fetched Sanskrit sutras and translated them into Chinese by yourselves, instead of receiving Chinese-translated sutras from the Chinese between 1st and 4th centry? What resources are you refererencing in saying this?
Buddhism first arrived in Japan in the 6th century from the Southern part of the kingdom of Baekje on the Korean peninsula. The Baekje king sent the Japanese emperor a picture of the Buddha and some sutras. Japanese aristocrats built Buddhist statues and temples in the capital at Nara, and then in the later capital at Heian (now Kyoto)
This is so ridiculous. Retaining one's culture is very important, but it is just as important to share and incorporate ideas that would advance our nations. That is what our ancestors did. There is no "stealing" or "copying", there is only a sharing of ideas, a practice that carries on today. It makes sense. What doesn't make sense is you people being so hateful towards each other. Please use that energy to for something other than hiding behind your computer screen flaming people.
The emperor, himself proclaimed, he is of Korean descent. So to be honest Koreans, and the Japanese should get along. Even though they may have a rough past, they are still brother countries.
@bankaikun94 No, we aren't brothers. We Japanese would be far better off if we were thousands miles away from you. If that happened, we'd be relieved from hundreds of burdens you are putting on us today by making false accusations about bygones and demanding appologies and compensations endlessly. We'd no longer need to worry about culture robbery, either. We are sincerely hoping for the day to come.
@iganinja375 Wow, you're really radical. Not thinking about the whole picture, but thinking narrow minded. As HolyHealingSmokes mentioned, every nation shares ideas amongst each other. Buddhism, which is a huge part of the Japanese culture, came from China through Korea. Japan also, had chosen to absorb the western culture, in order to be "modernized". Also Japan's occupation in Korea, has influenced Korea's and Japan's cultures. Furthermore China and Korea were influenced by the Mongolians.
I'd better have said "robbery of the origin of culture" rather than "culture robbery." You can share culture, technology, Buddism, blue jeans design and so on among people. However, you can't share the origin of something. Can you share the origin of Buddism? No, it is credited to India and nowhere else. I mean you cannot share the origin of kendo or kimchi between Koreans and Japanese. That's what I mean.
Japan and korea are very alike. Both are very close to each other, and have had many contacts in the past. However during the three korean kingdoms. The baekje empire was being overthrown. But with its connections to Japan, Japan aided them and gave the noble families homes in Japan. Later on these noble korean families gained political power, (many clans derive from this korean empire, a famous one, the Kudura clan). It is also most likely the Japanese culure has mixed with korean blood.
The Japanese Katana is not exclusive to Japan. Originally, China hold claim to the curved sword design. Look to the South of China and you will see this.
For example, in Vietnam they also have a curved sword calls a "Guom". The pronunciation is exactly the same as Korean "Geom". A famous Vietnamese Guom is called "Heaven's Will". It is a national legend in fact. Coincidence? No.
Now, it is rather foolish for Japan to say that Vietnam stole their sword since they never had any contact.
@expedition60 Actually during the time Korea was occupied by Japan (1910-1945) Japan tried to exterminate Korean culture and, in lack of better words, make Korea Japanese. That's why Korea might seem similliar to Japan these days
Review of Korea and Her Neighbours by Isabela Bird on Amazon:
This book presents an insightful account of Korea (in particular, Seoul) during the final years of the Lee Dynasty.
We learn that Seoul in those days bore striking resemblance to present-day North Korea, i.e. a total hell hole. I find this fascinating because most, if not all, Koreans speak fondly of this period and lambast the Japanese for destroying their "culture".
@iganinja375 Not being rude in any way, but I do have a friend that is... very determined... in saying that Korea is the basis of everything... I do mean everything. Like she is a bit brainwashed if you listen to her. She says that Japan and China were once Korea, Native Americans are Korean... It gets pretty ridiculous. But I have noticed that a lot of things in Korea is Japanese like. When I tell her that what you stated above, she just says that Koreans are recovering their culture. -__-
@dragon12234 Well, do you mean that Korean culture is an imitation of Japanese culture because of the occupation by Japan, and Koreans can't distinguish their own culture from Japanese culture?
to the people on the comments here, please take the time to read the information stated below before resuming to trolling and pointlessly arguing over the cultures again. Don't just say tl;dr and go on to fight about the exact things i mentioned below. Thank you.
@koyykdy You can't tell whether the dancer in the video is using Korean or Japanese swords since she wears no scabbards. If the scabbards have suspension fittings, they are Korean swords. If not, they are Japanese swords. We call the Korean-style sword "tachi" in Japanese, not "katana." Koreans never have the tradition of katana-style sword intended to be thrusted under the sash with cutting edge facing up.
@koyykdy There's a definite difference between the traditional Korean and Japanese swords in the ways they were worn, which certainly demand different sword techniques. And the names by which you call your swords indicate their origins. koyykdy, don't justify your plagiarism through evasive arguments. We are not trolls. Not only Japanese, but Thai people are also very resentful against Koreans who have plagiarized their Muay Thai calling it "Kyuktooki."
As a final note, yes, Korean history was much lost when the Japanese took over. But before that Korea had never been completely taken over, and yes, not even by Mongolians, although at the time it was mutually acknowledged that the Mongolians Could crush Korea if they had pressed with full force. But Korea, in the past, did have times when it had taken over some 1/6th of China, and never was ever a truly "weak" country.
So, in conclusion, the Katana is, in fact, a Japanese symbol now, and Japan has much historical claim over it. But the Korean arts necessarily using these are not plagiarized, but merely using them as props. Ideas may not belong to s specific group, but an idea could be symbolic of one. In that regard, it is true that the Japanese "own" the Katana. But please do refrain from using this fact as an excuse to try and devalue the Korean culture which remains to be seen today.
But, even with the "trademark" sword, there weren't many of these, as in Korea, blades were manufactured customized to each perfection, to fit the person perfectly for their use. In fact, Koreans did favor martial arts over sword arts, in terms of the popularity with the general populace. Examples include spear arts, nun chucks, and plain old fist fighting. Cavalry was also an important aspect, as was in any country during the time.
From the start, Korea had been a culture more concentrated on philosophy and the arts, more of the state of mine in a person as he lives life. Therefore, sword technology was hard to find. But that doesn't mean there wasn't any fanatics or families of blacksmiths who did this type of work. The more "trademark" type of blade in Korea is, in fact, a straight, double edged blade with a point and a hand guard lying same direction as the blade.
It is true the the Katana is now a Japanese trademark icon, but within history, they were also used in other countries. Now, as for Korea, which had been in contact and conflict with Japan for a long time (due to Japan looking for a foothold on the mainland to attack China from,), naturally had obtained some Japanese technology, therefore explaining the similar blade works from some of its dances from the past. But Korea didn't favor the blades as much, and did not delve too deep into it.
While it is true that the Japanese favored and even obsessed over the katana, therefore polishing the technology to make curved, one sided, pointed blades, that same technology was passed around in the neighboring countries. Same as in example, how the nuclear technology originating from America was so quickly passed around the world. Korea, China, and Japan all had used katanas, but Korea and China had placed less cultural importance on the katana, unlike Japan.
China had also been exposed to many ideas from its own surrounding countries, as China had a fairly large border and reached out to more lands. Thus, the origin of the technology became obsolete, but rather which country preferred and used a certain technology and developed it further to their iconic symbol becomes a more suitable example as to how the cultures are seen today.
And, same as any other country in Europe, Americas, or within the Asian continent, neighboring countries tend to have technology leaked to both sides, which in term is usually changed to fit the country's tastes. Japan, Korea, and China is a very good example as technology had pretty much been almost equally shared sue to the constant contact of the countries.
Thus, the American versions of information on Japanese/ Korean things have a tendency to be biased towards the Japanese, even if one of the chief reason is that Japanese culture is much better known and researched in America. Korea has been a more modern discovery in comparison, so not much is known compared to Japan.
The bias towards Japanese culture in America has been large from the start, and has had a chance to grow since the Japanese had been in contact with America much longer than Korea. In fact, when the first American diplomats/traders came by sea to Korea, the Koreans fires upon the ship, and after trading a few shots, the Americans withdrew and moved South to Japan, where they made first contact.
@1987Toeiii actually koreans daily life is surrounded by technology and internet, the world wide web gives enough information to look up whatever they please, as long as its not firewalled like china.
She'd be screwed you ducked.
Tiwaking 2 days ago
she is amazin...dancin with swords...sexy
TheGeronimogirl 2 weeks ago
Beautiful and lethal......(in love...) Will you marry me?....
Seishiro1989 2 weeks ago
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i'm going to make a presentation can i guys use your video as one of my prefences and i'll write my prefences on the video
OUMAYMAmejri 2 weeks ago in playlist AU HAZARD ?
@OUMAYMAmejri i meant refrence
OUMAYMAmejri 2 weeks ago in playlist AU HAZARD ?
insert oppenent here
TheWingedDragonOfRaw 2 weeks ago
japanese copied the korean sword fool
japantruthify001 1 month ago
don't feed the trollz!
hu87k 1 month ago
Wow, amazing.
Greenacres88 1 month ago
Koreans make one thousand year tradition in a day! Ah hahahahahaha! What a Korean crap! When did you think of this stupid dancing with fake Japanese sword?
NoNoSpice 1 month ago
Can anyone tell me the name of the music piece in the background?
Sanhadrian 1 month ago
I want to learn this. What is it called, where do I search?
tanguerafeliz 1 month ago
what the...
moveonbabe 1 month ago
I´m so sick of the constant argument of Japanese and Korean swords, katana, hwando and others are all theyr all swords, who cares which influenced which? If we start arguing about that we might as well say that neither cultures invented sword as such. Both cultures are too great to be contempted by ridiculous argument. Japanese and Korean swords are like sabre and scimitar, just because one might have been influenced by other dosen´t mean that they shouldn´t be recogniced as unique.
MsDjessa 2 months ago
@MsDjessa
Well said!
Furthermore, it's just a video of a girl dancing, not a news segment or whatnot. This king of argument has nothing to do here...
PammieBrux 1 month ago
@MsDjessa So true right there... People don't realize that they had their own swords even before even coming in contact with one and another. Katana and Hwando existed even before knowing each other's existence.
SinnerJ 1 month ago
i like the the video. The woman is very graceful. The techniques she is using are interesting. I would love to incorporate some of these in my demo sword forms. Thanks Tassadar2k3 for pointing out we should enjoy instead of argueing about the sword origins. The best part is the dancers are dancing with razor sharp swords that would take only a slip to make things scary.
TheCorgiWoman 2 months ago
Why don't you just all enjoy this great performance? ... I really like her style :)
Tassadar2k3 2 months ago
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“There is no sword art which has continued without breaking off from ancient times in Korea.”
朝鮮王朝實録：The Annals of the Korean Dynasty
【June 11, 1480】矧惟國人, 不慣槍劍, 專業弓矢, 爲禦敵之備
The people are not accustomed to use of sword or spear, defended from enemies only by archery...
【October 13, 1592】上敎政院曰“我國絶無劒手”
The king said “There is no swordman in our country at all...”
【July 11, 1594】我國自古劍術不傳
The king said “Any sword art has not been succeeded from ancient time in our country...”
enushisama 2 months ago
Why does she swing Japanese samurai swords?
centraltheorem2076 2 months ago
Can't believe this. Japan VS Korea again?
Well, some Japanese may not want to believe, but it is true that Korean history is longer than Japan. Also curved sword wasn't unique only to japan too.
Please don't try to insult other's culture.
BB2087 2 months ago
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you guys should just watch and be amazed by this beautiful video instead of arguing with each other
canadianloser1 2 months ago
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canadianloser1 2 months ago
That was awesome :) Replay button :D
Xerode1 2 months ago
you koreans should blame your grandparents for loseing the war and getting taken over by japan , too mee you guys just look like cry babys that did nothing to help yourself, japan got nuked on yeah they did cry but that was the past they moved on. revenge will always fail
ogauku 2 months ago
@ogauku your an idiot the reason korea lost their country to japan isn't because they lost a war. Do some research before you go slandering others. Also did you know that at least a third of the people that died in japan due to the bomb were korean and chinese brought over for slave labor. Also did you know that the Japanese held secret inhumane experiments on various korean and chinese people and that the number of people who died in their labs is 4 times the number of victims from the bomb.
412356 2 months ago
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본국검 本国劒 (Bon Guk Gum) From 무예도보통지(武藝圖譜通志): "It appears Wubei Zhi ( 武備志) written by Mao Yuanyi (茅元儀) acquired the book of sword combat from Chosun considering he compared Chosun sword methods with Dang Un's. It is obvious Chosun Had already developed the manual of Bon Guk Gum ( 본국검 本国劒) as they were compared to Japanese Ssangsu." Chinese Bubishi is comparing Chosun's methods with Japanese!
HDGDisnotfromkendo 2 months ago
emuseum.go.kr/relic.do?action=view_d&mcwebmno=95046 Here is picture of curved sword from Korea from Won Sam Guk era 원삼국(原三國)
(300-57BC) It is nearly 1,000 years older than the 童子切安綱 Dōjigiri Yasutsuna from 9th century Japan.
HDGDisnotfromkendo 3 months ago
I was expecting a premature applause as people usually do at 2:03
Vladswell 3 months ago
Hey you guys, nobody cares. Get back to this cool video.
Kamikazebutterfly 3 months ago
beautiful dance!!
ninbazi 3 months ago
anyways check out the sword dance ^^ we only heard it about 500 times
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
Yeah, let's check this crap out. (^^)
iganinja375 3 months ago
Also, China, Korea, and Japan each country has their own martial arts that uses sword...No one can objects this fact....
michpascha 3 months ago
Ironically his killer An Jung-geun strongly believed in a union of the three great countries in East Asia, China, Korea, and Japan in order to counter and fight off the "White Peril", being the European countries engaged in colonialism, restoring peace to East Asia.
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
Komei, who was strongly opposed to radical political changes, died at the age of 35. The official cause of death was smallpox. But there has been a theory widely believed at the time that the emperor was actually poisoned by the anti-Bakufu clique. See for example Chung (1910/2004, p.61), Jansen (1961, p.282), Nam (1999, p.111), and Ravina (2004, p.135).
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
them to arm themselves. Another point I want to indicate is that some of the Japanese user like Ebutuoy2004 are just spitting words out. If you wanna be respected, you should respect others. Kleeeenex1 is saying in a sort of respecting way, while you are just insulting his country. The last thing you guys are saying is "Korean is a liar." LOL, are you an elementary kid? what kind of logic is that? Bring True evidence to this conversation.
michpascha 3 months ago
@michpascha
It is no problem at all that Korean had copied Japanese culture and created the modern martial art "Kumdo (or Gumdo)" of imitation of Kendo
But Koreans of Kumdo (or Gumdo) have insisted these big lies, "Kumdo (or Gumdo) is a Korean traditional martial art that existed from over 1000 years ago." "The Origins of Japanese Kendo is Kumudo (or Gumdo) in Korea." "Japanese Kendo is a sport which derived from Kumudo (or Gumdo) of Korea. "
These Koreans are big liars.
Ebutuoy2004 3 months ago
@Ebutuoy2004 dude.. who cares what they say, theres ganna be crackheads in every country thinking everything originated in their own country , what matters is what the world thinks. and i already told you that it is derived from japanese kendo.
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@Ebutuoy2004 it seems like you are just repeating yourself, what you dont seem to understand is, koreans never "stole" anything from japan, whereas japan took thousands of thousands of items wrongfully and forcefully. and made it into their "own"
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@Ebutuoy2004 I am not sure who say those things, but I just checked korean websites and all koreans say that Gumdo DERIVED from Kendo. I don't think we need to argue about that.
michpascha 3 months ago
know the technical term), which was really good but time consuming, while Hwando masters used "normal way", which was less time comsuming work. It doesn't mean that Korea didn't have the "folding" technique. They had the skill to do it, but they found it not needed. As you guys know, true fact that everyone agrees, is that Japan was in feudal system, while Korea was a centralized country (no offense intended). That meant that each lords in Japan needed their own "power" or soldiers, which caused
michpascha 3 months ago
logically, in an objective view, China, Korea, and Japan each country had their unique swords.
China's sword is called Tai Chi, Korea's sword is called Hwando, and Japan's sword is called Katana. Of course they had other kinds of sword, but I think those are the swords that have similar looks. Concentrating on Korea, and Japan, which is the main focus of this discussion( or rather quarrel :D), The process of making swords were different. the Katana master used a way of folding (sorry I dont
michpascha 3 months ago
One of the comments below says that Koreans are liar... when you discuss something, you bring an evidence that supports your opinion...to me you don't have any "proves".. you are just insulting koreans.
michpascha 3 months ago
japanese are so shameless, its sickening, in the end , righteousness shall prevail.
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago 2
@Kleeeenex1 Finally, someone answering these "wannabe Japanese" from Australia.
arashipower 2 months ago
@Kleeeenex1 You are so digusting. Well, aren't we racist!? Righteousness, you say? Don't get conceited, mongrel! I can claim that the other country are shameless and Japan is righteous and I dare say some people will agree to what I say, as long as they aren't neutral or the same useless species who blabber nonsense like you. Or what? Are you some preacher man or some shit? Because God ain't gonna do you no good in this world.
Exorcistkanda 2 months ago
@Exorcistkanda im sorry if i offended you in any way shape or form, i dont mean to disrespect as that is not my intentions , i simply copy and paste from sources that are internationally accepted, i never claimed to be a preacher nor a teacher . if youd like to discuss something you may but if you cant accept the truth then you will never succeed in anything
Kleeeenex1 2 months ago
@Kleeeenex1 Truth, well the truth is Japanese, French, Germans and whatsoever, they are all equal. I just don't like how you are potraying Japan as the villian by saying "righteousness" as internationally might mean a certain combination of country not including the country in question. However, I will say, you are more reasonable than the majority and I will apologise for my insults.
Exorcistkanda 2 months ago
@Exorcistkanda i agree, we are all humans and are equal. but the argument that was taking in place sparked by japanese nationalist who claimed that koreans copied japanese sword as shown above, the fact is most of korean artifacts were either destroyed or confiscated during jap occupation and that i dont really see how thats fair for japanese to claim korea stole the katana when in fact japanese are the ones that brought them over to korea along side with judo and kendo.
Kleeeenex1 2 months ago
@Exorcistkanda im not a sword expert of any kind but it doesnt take much to realize that everything gains their influence and evolved from one another. such as the use of ring pommels,ie which first dates far back to chinese history.
and the Migration of Chinese and Korean swordsmiths to Japan where they transmitted their skills. is completely ignored.
and i just dont appreciate most of the japanese people claim that korea stole everything, and i just take my time to refute these accusations,
Kleeeenex1 2 months ago 13
@Kleeeenex1 Well, this kind of things happen everytime. Let's just leave it at Japan and Korea created their own weapon, it is just that they are similar. Not like they are going to strife over this issue, so I don't see a problem with that. I mean if we talk about weapons, I am sure Katana would be associated with the Samurai but the Korea themselves have made a powerful weapon by right, the Singijeon, which is unique to them.
Exorcistkanda 2 months ago
@Exorcistkanda Nowaday, the young people in any country won't even bother about who stole which weapon and the only one who would argue about it would be the middle age and above.
Exorcistkanda 2 months ago
@Exorcistkanda i agree , i just hope that asians can unite and accept that as close neighbors we had major influences on one another, and use this energy to fight off the real enemy , imperialist white nations such as russia and gain our original homeland territory.
Kleeeenex1 2 months ago
@Kleeeenex1 Not to mention, what we now know as "Japanese Fencing," or Kendo, was a swordsmanship style that was originally created in Korea, but found indifference in its native land and instead found much popularity in its migration to Japan.
Also, the Chinese stole the craft of porcelain making from the Koreans during medieval times.
darkpen 1 week ago
you japanese keep contradicting yourself, how the fuck am i lying? im using western sources. written and researched by white people. i can barely even read korean to be honest, please stop lying and tell the truth.
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago 2
even if this is katana, that is only 1 of 100,000 items you stole from korea
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
koreans always steal chinese and japanese cultures
hosozoku 3 months ago 2
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@hosozoku your stupid
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
why do this woman have "JAPANESE sword"???
in fact,korean sword is "STRAIGHT" like CHINESE sword
LOL
hosozoku 3 months ago
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@hosozoku umm, katana was produced in Muromachi period (1392–1573), curved swords existed throughout the Muslim world from at least the Ottoman period, with early examples dating to Abbasid era (9th century) Khurasan. We can say that the japanese stole ideas from the middle eastern countries then. shall we continue?
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago 9
@Kleeeenex1
Japanese swords had already been exported to Song in the 11th century (during the Heian period). "欧陽修" (Ouyang Xiu, 1007 - 1072 years) who was a poet of the Song era got Japanese sword, and composed "日本刀歌 (Japanese sword song)".
Features of the Japanese swords is in the steelmaking process.
The curved sword had already existed even in ancient Egyptian dynasties, so curve of sword is not a feature of Japanese swords.
You should learn the correct historical knowledge more and more.
Ebutuoy2004 3 months ago
@Ebutuoy2004 i dont know what your arguing about? you say korean stole japanese curved sword, but i just proved to you , curved sword wasnt unique only to japan, alone that , steel curved sword, so what has korea stole? you tell me, and also give us back the 100,000 items that japanese stole from korea and continues to deny even to this day, japanese are the main thieves of korea.
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago 13
@Kleeeenex1
You're confused other people's comments.
Japan has learned a lot of historical Chinese culture, but hadn't learned Korean culture except for the pottery.
That's because outstanding historical culture of Korea their own is very few.
There was no good manufactured swords in Chosun Dynasty, because Korea had disdained martial arts historically.
You should not justify the theft of cultural using many wrong knowledges.
You should learn the correct historical knowledge.
Ebutuoy2004 3 months ago
@Ebutuoy2004 i agree , japanese mostly gained knowledge from china by way of korea, and honestly i dont know much about swords nor did i upload this video, but korea also developed japanese culture whether they liked it or not.
examples are sson soo do sword which derived from the katana, and also gumdo which derived from kendo.
i dont think you can say we stole , when japanese are the one that brought katanas over to korea. and i agree katana is unique and developed in japan.
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
There was no need to "steal" something from Korea. Annexation means Korea was unified with Japan, though it may still not mean a single state like Hawaii as the 51th state of U.S. But the Japanese and Korean assets were interchangeable without "stealing" or "robbing." In fact, over 1 million Japanese books are still in Korean libraries and universities. The Korean assets now in Japan are never the result of looting or robbery. You are too stupid to understand this.
iganinja375 3 months ago
@iganinja375 sounds like you are too stupid to understand this.
Definition of Steal: to take the property of another wrongfully or forcefully.
Korea never brought japan stuff over to korea, it was japan that brought everything over there.
Korea never brought korean stuff to japan, it was japan that took it back to japan from korea.
Koreans never stole property from japan, if they have, enlighten me.
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
Japan and Korea were not two separate states at the time. It isn't that Korean assets were transferred to Japan against law. Or are you saying Japanese government officers did "looting" or "robbery" from Korean museums or temples? OMG! They were not stolen or forcibly robbed. Your argument is based on your dream that Japan and Korea were two separate states at the time.
iganinja375 3 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
It isn't that the transfers of assets were something to be blamed as crimes committed by the Japanese government. And who knows? It's likely that Koreans were happy when they knew their treasures were brogut to the Japanese Imperial House and prestigious museums, just as today's K-poop groups look very happy when they make hits in Japan because they can make it a good selling point for the rest of the world. Use your brain.
iganinja375 3 months ago
@iganinja375
"There was no need to "steal" something from Korea. Annexation means Korea was unified with Japan"
You mean like how Hitler annexed Poland? Iraq annexed Kuwait?....Korea was forcfully annexed which means anything taken was stealing or are "You are too stupid to understand this" Love to see what history books your reading from. Japan has been critized for decades for rewriting its own history. I am neither Japanese, Korean or Asian, so I am not biased.
MrBooRadly 3 months ago
@MrBooRadly
Annexation was initially proposed from the Korean side (JoongAng Ilbo, Aug. 27, 2001). Here is a message from former Korean president Pak Jeong-hui:
"Annexation was our choice. It isn't that Japan invaded our land. It was our forefathers' decision to admit annexation. If we had chosen Quing (清), we would have seen a bigger turmoil as Quing fell very soon.
iganinja375 3 months ago
@MrBooRadly
"If we had chosen Imperial Russia, the whole peninsula would have been turned into a communist state as Imperial Russia also died out very soon. The entire peninsula, both north and south, would have been communized in the end. I wouldn't say that Japan was the best option. But we had to make our choice anyway, and I think Japan was the only option left to us."
Korea was on the brink of bankruptcy and Japan paid off their debts. She'd have been a part of Russia otherwise.
iganinja375 3 months ago
@iganinja375
Your not convincing me. In January 1876 Japan employed gunboat diplomacy to pressure Korea to sign the Treaty of Ganghwa, an unequal treaty which opened three Korean ports to Japanese trade and granted extraterritorial rights to Japanese citizens.
MrBooRadly 3 months ago
@MrBooRadly
Have you read this?
Search: "NBR'S JAPAN FORUM (POL) Taiwanese and the Japanese Spirit"
iganinja375 3 months ago
@iganinja375
The Empress Myeongseong of Korea was assassinated on 8 October 1895 by Japanese agents.
After Japans defeat of Russia in 1905 and under the Treaty of Portsmouth, signed in September 1905, Russia acknowledged Japan's "paramount political, military, and economic interest" in Korea
MrBooRadly 3 months ago
@iganinja375
In May 1910, the Minister of War of Japan, Terauchi Masatake, was given a mission to finalize Japanese control over Korea (Mind you "The Minister of WAR")....Again I say your sources are wrong and biased...I wont even get into the forced learning of the Japanese language, The forced conscription of koreans into the Japanese Army and the taking of Korean women to serve as Prostitutes for front line Japanese soldies or do you deny that too?
MrBooRadly 3 months ago
@MrBooRadly theres no point arguing with this kid, hes stubborn as they come, even top japanese elites agree with koreans, as with the rest of the world,
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@MrBooRadly
I have no idea about the Treaty of Ganghwa, but I believe that has no direct connection with later annexation. As for the assasination of Empress Myeongseong, I would say she was a Kim Jong-Il of the time - the worst enemy of the people. She sold a Korean port to Russia to make money for her luxuary. Japan hastened to buy back the port to prevent Russia from getting an unfrozen port on the peninsula. She was the enemy of Japan's national security, too.
iganinja375 3 months ago
@MrBooRadly
At the time, the public opinion of Korea was divided into the open-country and exclusionist factions. That of Japan was also divided into pro- and anti-annexation factions. Ito Hirobumi was in opposition to annexation, while Terauchi Masatake was in favour of annexation. When Ito was assasinated by An Jung-geun, the pro-annexation faction got power over the anti faction, eventually managing annexation into reality.
iganinja375 3 months ago
@MrBooRadly
If An Jung-geun hadn't killed Ito, Korea might have been saved from annexation. Why do you Koreans glorify him as the symbol of independence? It's absolutely opposite, isn't it?
As for coerced comfort women, I'm fed up with repeating the same argument here. I just stop by saying: at the time there were over 240,000 Korean volunteer soldiers and civilians in the Japanese Army. You could've been real mother f**kers if Korean sex slavery had been the case.
iganinja375 3 months ago
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@iganinja375
10. Banning Koreans from studying abroad.
11. Confiscating and burning Korean textbooks.
12. Spreading a rumor to the world that Koreans wanted Japanese protection.
13. Deceiving the Japanese Emperor by saying that the relationship between Korea and Japan was peaceful when in truth it was full of hostility and conflicts.
14. Breaking the peace of Asia.
15. Assassinating the Emperor Komei.[13] those are 15 reason why , an jung geun wrote why he took out ito
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@iganinja375 it is known he did delayed the annexation, but does not change the fact how poorly koreans were treated.
Gojong and the Joseon government believing in these claims, agreed to help the Japanese military. However, the opinion of Joseon soon turned against Japan as many Japanese actions were considered to be too brutal and barbaric including confiscation of lands and drafting civilians for forced labor, even executing those that resisted.
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
The list of your denunciations is too long (wrong) to refute one by one, but that's basically what annexation was all about. More than half of the list are, however, lies and slanders. You still don't seem to realize that you'd been taught full of bullshit back in Korean school. People who write about the true history of Korea are indicted there.
There are not a few Koreans here in Japan who wrote books about the true history of Korea.
iganinja375 3 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
But those books will never be published in Korea. Some of my arguments are based on the book of those Koreans who realized the truths of Korea outside Korea. Some Koreans are, however, too bumb to realize the truths even after getting out of Korea, just like you.
Just think, why are the Koreans and Taiwanese are so opposite in what they say about Japanese? They got through almost the same experiences under Japanese rule. There must be something wrong with Koreans, definitely.
iganinja375 3 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
I forgot to add one thing. The sex slavery case was not on your list. Where is it? You've given it up? We are going to demand apology for spreading the shameless lie all over the world if you admit it's a lie.
The rest of the condemnations in your list will have the same fate.
iganinja375 3 months ago
@iganinja375 i just hear bullshit, how come you dont write anything countering my argument? i see you give up trying to argue with me, like i said in the end righteousness shall prevail, .
"You still don't seem to realize that you'd been taught full of bullshit back in Korean school"
oh actually , i was born in the states and went to american schools my entire life, meaning my 1st language is english.
like i said keep your stubborn mouth closed, and save your kind from embarassment
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
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@iganinja375 "The sex slavery case was not on your list. Where is it? You've given it up? "
if you actually took the time to research what your arguing about, you'll soon come to realize that the list was written after Ito Hirobumi's death in 1909. written by An Jung Geun following his death in 1910. and if your dumbass researched when japan occupation of korea was , you'll also find out it was ..29 August 1910 to 15 August 1945..
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@iganinja375 so far... you havent won a single argument with me, just shows how far japanese goes to hide their bullshit. its pretty sad.. just keep your mouth closed.
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@iganinja375 your own people would slap you against the face, for making their kind look like dumbasses
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
Sorry, I may be wrong.(^^)
May righteousness prevail.
iganinja375 3 months ago
@iganinja375 i apologize also for the inappropriate language
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
Oh, just one more thing. Don't you thank us for getting rid of a Kim Jong-Il of old Korea? That made your people much like human and happier. (^^)
iganinja375 3 months ago
@iganinja375 just stop... your making yourself look stupid...
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@Kleeeenex1 I find it funny and ironic that this argument is being held in English.
OmegaDragoon 2 months ago
@OmegaDragoon what else are we suppose to use?
Kleeeenex1 2 months ago
@hosozoku Are u kidding me? Japanese culture has build up by Baeje dynasty(Korea)
darkpla2 3 months ago
@darkpla2
a part of koreans like you always lie
typical korean sword is NOT curved like japanese sword
why do you koreans wanna become japanese and chinese?
you are shame of east asia
you should be ashamed of yourself
hosozoku 3 months ago
@hosozoku actually its you guys that should be shameful , it is known that at least 100,000 Korean artifacts were looted and stolen during Japanese rule. and this was continuously denied by the japanese government, during the excavation of royal japanese imperial family, sources found korean artifacts within the royal graves, furious, the japan immediately closed off the site, also the korean idu writing system was found in the burial sites engraved on Inariyama Sword.
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
you koreans like to lie
hosozoku 3 months ago
@hosozoku dude, im using western sources
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
it is famous that koreans lie
i don't belive your sayings
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iganinja375 3 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
Stop barking shitty lies.
It appears true that you're what you eat.
iganinja375 3 months ago
@darkpla2
You're a liar.
It has been proven in history academically that Baeje dynasty was the vassal state of Japan.
Baeje dynasty sent some their royal families to Japan as a hostage.
Ebutuoy2004 3 months ago
@Ebutuoy2004 too bad the whole world thinks otherwise
Kleeeenex1 3 months ago
It was my pleasure to serve as a missionary to Korea and see this type of sword dance in person..(such beauty & grace)..then to earn my 2nd degree BlackBelt in HDK while there in Korea added to love & appreciation I now enjoy in my retirement years here in the States....blessings on the young woman in this video.
MokSaNim7 3 months ago
Please watch this video.
watch?v=uQ5zOKB3yzw
武藝圖譜通志Muye Dobo Tongji (1790) : Comprehensive Illustrated Manual of Martial Arts in Korea
【It is The official document at Korean Dynasty 】
Introductory chapter :
我國練兵之制三軍練于郊，衛士練于禁苑，其禁苑練兵盛自 光廟朝，然止弓矢一技而已如槍劍法技，既未之聞焉，
“Archery was the only martial art that had been practiced by Korean soldiers. They have no skills of sword or spear fighting”
It is plagiarism from Japan that Gumdo is traditional martial arts in Korea 1000years or more.
enushisama 4 months ago in playlist waveman618 さんのその他の動画
@enushisama *yawn*
Wow I care so much.
Kamikazebutterfly 4 months ago
朝鮮王朝實録：The Annals of the choson Dynasty (The True Record of the Korean Dynasty)
【June 11, 1480】矧惟國人, 不慣槍劍, 專業弓矢, 爲禦敵之備
The people are not accustomed to use of sword or spear, defended from enemies only by archery...
【October 13, 1592】上敎政院曰“我國絶無劒手”
The king said “There is no swordman in our country at all”...
【July 11, 1594】我國自古劍術不傳
Any sword art has not been succeeded from ancient time in our country...
enushisama 4 months ago in playlist waveman618 さんのその他の動画
Ye all are some butthurt people :\ why cant we just enjoy the video without the entire korea/japan thing? Also kinda jumpy there when shes cutting?
Xiox047 4 months ago
and throughout this whole argument, you havent once gave me a solid source besides the 'japanese' wiki, of course japan would tell you only what you want to hear.
Kleeeenex1 4 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
You are contradicting yourself. You say Buddhism was introduced into China in the 1st century, and yet they didn't migrate to northan India till the middle of the 7th century (so they didn't introduced Buddhism till the middle of the 7th century????).
iganinja375 4 months ago
@iganinja375 what are you talking about?? how am i contradicting myself? just cause chinese monks didnt migrate to india till later doesnt mean that they werent introduced to buddhism earlier. same thing with japan they were introduced buddhism around 552 ad, they didnt migrate out to india until (607-645) what are you talking about? seems like your the one contradicting yourself
Kleeeenex1 4 months ago
@iganinja375 you just keep trying to bring up chinese monks and you say that they brought the sutras over from india, you act like thats all it matters ,when in fact Indian monks continued to travel along the Silk Road to teach Buddhism, and translation work was primarily done by foreign monks rather than Chinese. so i dont know why it matters who migrates to india and collects the sutras , when they were already influencing china via the silk road
Kleeeenex1 4 months ago
@iganinja375 i dont know why im arguing with you, you wont admit that your wrong, so stubborn, just type in "japanese buddhism' in google and read that shit yourself , youll understand i wasnt making up anything. i really dont know why you would continue to argue with me.
Kleeeenex1 4 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
What you ultimately want to say is that you once brought Buddhism to Japan, right? But you are bragging about something you never created by yourselves. Buddhism originated in India. I suppose you haven't even translate a single Buddism sutra from Sanskrit into Chinese by youselves, have you? You just handed them over to us. Why do you want to make us feel indebted much to you for just an errand?
iganinja375 4 months ago
@iganinja375 im sorry if i offend you or your country but i am just pasting information based on highly intellectual sources, i do not know what you mean by bragging, i never said we created buddhism? if you actually take the time to read my messages then maybe you'd understand. dude , the chinese didnt even make the first translation themselves , they received the same way as korea and japan, what you need to understand is
Kleeeenex1 4 months ago
@iganinja375 now what you need to do is accept it and move on. unless you more information to back up your theory, honestly im grateful the chinese hooked korea up with buddhism and writing system. i dont get why you japanese have a hard time accepting that korea civilized japan?
Kleeeenex1 4 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
>i dont get why you japanese have a hard time accepting that korea civilized japan?
Because we have this account from the Book of Sui (隋書):
「新羅百済皆以倭為大国多珍物並敬仰之恒通使往来」
"Shilla and Baekje have a high regard for Japan as a major power rich in rarities and constantly send their missions."
iganinja375 4 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
It may look as if "Korea civilized Japan", but actually, as in the case of Buddhism, what reached to Japan were rarely originated on the Korean Peninsula but came from somewhere beyond the Peninsula in most cases. The Confucian phylosophy, iron making, to name a few. The Korean Peninsula was just the passage way of culture and technology - you tube.
iganinja375 4 months ago
@iganinja375 i apologize if i may said it wrong, but korea had a major influence on japan. and i agree those things did not originate in korea, maybe this will make it more clear,
In any case, these Koreans, diplomats and royal relatives or not, brought to Japan knowledge of the Chinese writing system, Buddhism, iron processing for weapons, and various other technologies.[19][20] In exchange, Japan provided military support.[
Kleeeenex1 4 months ago
@iganinja375 Japan was a confederation of local tribes without sophisticated iron weapons, while the Three Kingdoms of Korea were fully developed centralized powers with modern iron weapons and were already utilizing horses for warfare. It is very unlikely that a developing state such as Yamato had the capacity to cross the sea and engage in battles with Baekje and Silla
Kleeeenex1 4 months ago
@iganinja375 and i dont know how to say this without insulting you, but koreans were always in high places in japan.
Kleeeenex1 4 months ago
@Kleeeenex1
No comment.
iganinja375 4 months ago
@iganinja375 The first documented translation of Buddhist scriptures into Chinese occurs in 148 CE with the arrival of the Parthian prince-turned-monk An Shigao (Ch. 安世高).
Kleeeenex1 4 months ago
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@Kleeeenex1
Do you also mean you Koreans travelled to India, fetched Sanskrit sutras and translated them into Chinese by yourselves, instead of receiving Chinese-translated sutras from the Chinese between 1st and 4th centry? What resources are you refererencing in saying this?
iganinja375 4 months ago
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You think this asian bitch is cool? Check out some of *my* vids.
AcAwSk8Vids 4 months ago
Buddhism first arrived in Japan in the 6th century from the Southern part of the kingdom of Baekje on the Korean peninsula. The Baekje king sent the Japanese emperor a picture of the Buddha and some sutras. Japanese aristocrats built Buddhist statues and temples in the capital at Nara, and then in the later capital at Heian (now Kyoto)
Kleeeenex1 4 months ago
All those people that are saying Korea borrowed Japanese culture,
Please do remember that Japan once borrowed Korean culture too back when people from Korea and China immigrated to Japan.
Every Culture shares with other cultures and there is no need to fight over which is what, Just be proud of your own culture.
I love both Koreans and Japanese ^_^ Both are cool in their own ways !
forgottenmemories63 4 months ago
This is so ridiculous. Retaining one's culture is very important, but it is just as important to share and incorporate ideas that would advance our nations. That is what our ancestors did. There is no "stealing" or "copying", there is only a sharing of ideas, a practice that carries on today. It makes sense. What doesn't make sense is you people being so hateful towards each other. Please use that energy to for something other than hiding behind your computer screen flaming people.
HolyHealingSmokes 4 months ago 5
The emperor, himself proclaimed, he is of Korean descent. So to be honest Koreans, and the Japanese should get along. Even though they may have a rough past, they are still brother countries.
bankaikun94 4 months ago
@bankaikun94 No, we aren't brothers. We Japanese would be far better off if we were thousands miles away from you. If that happened, we'd be relieved from hundreds of burdens you are putting on us today by making false accusations about bygones and demanding appologies and compensations endlessly. We'd no longer need to worry about culture robbery, either. We are sincerely hoping for the day to come.
iganinja375 4 months ago
@iganinja375 Wow, you're really radical. Not thinking about the whole picture, but thinking narrow minded. As HolyHealingSmokes mentioned, every nation shares ideas amongst each other. Buddhism, which is a huge part of the Japanese culture, came from China through Korea. Japan also, had chosen to absorb the western culture, in order to be "modernized". Also Japan's occupation in Korea, has influenced Korea's and Japan's cultures. Furthermore China and Korea were influenced by the Mongolians.
bankaikun94 4 months ago
@bankaikun94
I'd better have said "robbery of the origin of culture" rather than "culture robbery." You can share culture, technology, Buddism, blue jeans design and so on among people. However, you can't share the origin of something. Can you share the origin of Buddism? No, it is credited to India and nowhere else. I mean you cannot share the origin of kendo or kimchi between Koreans and Japanese. That's what I mean.
iganinja375 4 months ago
Japan and korea are very alike. Both are very close to each other, and have had many contacts in the past. However during the three korean kingdoms. The baekje empire was being overthrown. But with its connections to Japan, Japan aided them and gave the noble families homes in Japan. Later on these noble korean families gained political power, (many clans derive from this korean empire, a famous one, the Kudura clan). It is also most likely the Japanese culure has mixed with korean blood.
bankaikun94 4 months ago
Well, Korean and Japanese sword arts.. whatever pheww.
They don't stand a single chance against Chinese art of sword.
I think Japanese and Korean art of sword is so rigid and strength-based, and are unaware of the flexibility.
AME9516 4 months ago
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AME9516 4 months ago
The Japanese Katana is not exclusive to Japan. Originally, China hold claim to the curved sword design. Look to the South of China and you will see this.
For example, in Vietnam they also have a curved sword calls a "Guom". The pronunciation is exactly the same as Korean "Geom". A famous Vietnamese Guom is called "Heaven's Will". It is a national legend in fact. Coincidence? No.
Now, it is rather foolish for Japan to say that Vietnam stole their sword since they never had any contact.
EntranceDenied 4 months ago
偽剣流が我が物顔でのさばっているなんて・・・・
crapengine1990 4 months ago
Now THAT'S sword dancing in my opinion! Fluid and graceful, but also has some serious combative probability!
Swordsquire 4 months ago
Koreans envy Japanese culture. So they are trying to deprive it. Japan should demand compensation and apology from Korea.
expedition60 4 months ago
@expedition60 Actually during the time Korea was occupied by Japan (1910-1945) Japan tried to exterminate Korean culture and, in lack of better words, make Korea Japanese. That's why Korea might seem similliar to Japan these days
dragon12234 4 months ago
@dragon12234
Review of Korea and Her Neighbours by Isabela Bird on Amazon:
This book presents an insightful account of Korea (in particular, Seoul) during the final years of the Lee Dynasty.
We learn that Seoul in those days bore striking resemblance to present-day North Korea, i.e. a total hell hole. I find this fascinating because most, if not all, Koreans speak fondly of this period and lambast the Japanese for destroying their "culture".
iganinja375 4 months ago
@iganinja375 Not being rude in any way, but I do have a friend that is... very determined... in saying that Korea is the basis of everything... I do mean everything. Like she is a bit brainwashed if you listen to her. She says that Japan and China were once Korea, Native Americans are Korean... It gets pretty ridiculous. But I have noticed that a lot of things in Korea is Japanese like. When I tell her that what you stated above, she just says that Koreans are recovering their culture. -__-
BlakOpzDragon 4 months ago
@BlakOpzDragon
Yes, Koreans are telling stories that Jesus Crist was Korean, the Big Bang started on the Korean peninsula, etc., etc. :)
>she just says that Koreans are recovering their culture.
Please tell her that it's a good idea unless they claim the origins of other nations' cultures.
iganinja375 4 months ago
@dragon12234 Well, do you mean that Korean culture is an imitation of Japanese culture because of the occupation by Japan, and Koreans can't distinguish their own culture from Japanese culture?
expedition60 4 months ago
why so many koreans are trying to become like japanese???? I heard they hate Japan.
Silverstein1883 5 months ago
much easyer to find a katana than a korean sword
kokolenin 5 months ago
This sounds like Arab music...
808thampire 5 months ago
to the people on the comments here, please take the time to read the information stated below before resuming to trolling and pointlessly arguing over the cultures again. Don't just say tl;dr and go on to fight about the exact things i mentioned below. Thank you.
koyykdy 5 months ago
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iganinja375 5 months ago
@koyykdy You can't tell whether the dancer in the video is using Korean or Japanese swords since she wears no scabbards. If the scabbards have suspension fittings, they are Korean swords. If not, they are Japanese swords. We call the Korean-style sword "tachi" in Japanese, not "katana." Koreans never have the tradition of katana-style sword intended to be thrusted under the sash with cutting edge facing up.
iganinja375 5 months ago
@koyykdy There's a definite difference between the traditional Korean and Japanese swords in the ways they were worn, which certainly demand different sword techniques. And the names by which you call your swords indicate their origins. koyykdy, don't justify your plagiarism through evasive arguments. We are not trolls. Not only Japanese, but Thai people are also very resentful against Koreans who have plagiarized their Muay Thai calling it "Kyuktooki."
iganinja375 5 months ago
As a final note, yes, Korean history was much lost when the Japanese took over. But before that Korea had never been completely taken over, and yes, not even by Mongolians, although at the time it was mutually acknowledged that the Mongolians Could crush Korea if they had pressed with full force. But Korea, in the past, did have times when it had taken over some 1/6th of China, and never was ever a truly "weak" country.
koyykdy 5 months ago
So, in conclusion, the Katana is, in fact, a Japanese symbol now, and Japan has much historical claim over it. But the Korean arts necessarily using these are not plagiarized, but merely using them as props. Ideas may not belong to s specific group, but an idea could be symbolic of one. In that regard, it is true that the Japanese "own" the Katana. But please do refrain from using this fact as an excuse to try and devalue the Korean culture which remains to be seen today.
koyykdy 5 months ago
But, even with the "trademark" sword, there weren't many of these, as in Korea, blades were manufactured customized to each perfection, to fit the person perfectly for their use. In fact, Koreans did favor martial arts over sword arts, in terms of the popularity with the general populace. Examples include spear arts, nun chucks, and plain old fist fighting. Cavalry was also an important aspect, as was in any country during the time.
koyykdy 5 months ago
From the start, Korea had been a culture more concentrated on philosophy and the arts, more of the state of mine in a person as he lives life. Therefore, sword technology was hard to find. But that doesn't mean there wasn't any fanatics or families of blacksmiths who did this type of work. The more "trademark" type of blade in Korea is, in fact, a straight, double edged blade with a point and a hand guard lying same direction as the blade.
koyykdy 5 months ago
It is true the the Katana is now a Japanese trademark icon, but within history, they were also used in other countries. Now, as for Korea, which had been in contact and conflict with Japan for a long time (due to Japan looking for a foothold on the mainland to attack China from,), naturally had obtained some Japanese technology, therefore explaining the similar blade works from some of its dances from the past. But Korea didn't favor the blades as much, and did not delve too deep into it.
koyykdy 5 months ago
While it is true that the Japanese favored and even obsessed over the katana, therefore polishing the technology to make curved, one sided, pointed blades, that same technology was passed around in the neighboring countries. Same as in example, how the nuclear technology originating from America was so quickly passed around the world. Korea, China, and Japan all had used katanas, but Korea and China had placed less cultural importance on the katana, unlike Japan.
koyykdy 5 months ago
China had also been exposed to many ideas from its own surrounding countries, as China had a fairly large border and reached out to more lands. Thus, the origin of the technology became obsolete, but rather which country preferred and used a certain technology and developed it further to their iconic symbol becomes a more suitable example as to how the cultures are seen today.
koyykdy 5 months ago
And, same as any other country in Europe, Americas, or within the Asian continent, neighboring countries tend to have technology leaked to both sides, which in term is usually changed to fit the country's tastes. Japan, Korea, and China is a very good example as technology had pretty much been almost equally shared sue to the constant contact of the countries.
koyykdy 5 months ago
Thus, the American versions of information on Japanese/ Korean things have a tendency to be biased towards the Japanese, even if one of the chief reason is that Japanese culture is much better known and researched in America. Korea has been a more modern discovery in comparison, so not much is known compared to Japan.
koyykdy 5 months ago
The bias towards Japanese culture in America has been large from the start, and has had a chance to grow since the Japanese had been in contact with America much longer than Korea. In fact, when the first American diplomats/traders came by sea to Korea, the Koreans fires upon the ship, and after trading a few shots, the Americans withdrew and moved South to Japan, where they made first contact.
koyykdy 5 months ago
I think it's Korean who know nothing but what they were forced to know from their government.
Please do learn from other sources like wikipedia etc., not only from text books provided by the government.
1987Toeiii 5 months ago
@1987Toeiii actually koreans daily life is surrounded by technology and internet, the world wide web gives enough information to look up whatever they please, as long as its not firewalled like china.
Kleeeenex1 5 months ago
koreans love to make fairy stories
expedition60 5 months ago