Response to: Atheists are good people too :-)

[483091]

i don't know where that so called "atheists club" is, but please, do not hold that stereo type too close, not all atheists are like that. that room was what, filled with like what 30 people probably, yah, total population of atheist are much more than that, and remember, for everything in the world, there are going to be a few who are extremists, you just happened to be unlucky to find a concentration of extremists

[alueshen]

Yes the world would be a much better place without the the superstition and mythology of ALL of the worlds predominate religions as the evidence in the post below demonstrates.

You said "but the over all majority of atheists I have seen exhibit the absolute worst traits I have ever seen in humanity on a regular basis."

U need to get out more often. Your statement about Churches in Saudi Arabia and comment about atheists are of course your opinion and you fail to offer any evidence 2 ur claim

[ironcross66106]

@alueshen

How is this for evidence: Pol Pot. Joeseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong, all of which were atheists, and combined killed around 177 million people.

How is that for evidence?

Do you have any idea what would happen if a Christian decided to build a Church in Saudi Arabia or Iran?

By nightfall that Church would be burnt to the ground and the people would be either put in prison, or killed.

[alueshen]

Part 2...Third: You have pointed out 3 people and allege their atheistic beliefs caused their actions, I have pointed out that from 1/3 to 2/3’s of several countries are atheistic in their views. Your retort only strengthens my argument. MILLIONS of atheists in the same place should be a HORRIBLE place, yet the evidence is exactly the opposite. Sweden, Japan, Finland, Denmark, Norway, France and South Korea to name just a few (see stats below)

[alueshen]

Part 1..First: merely citing common denominators does not establish the cause of their actions.

Second: Can you say the Inquisition or the Salem witch trials? Not that, unlike you, I can admit that these events, carried out in the name of Christendom, represent your values any more then Pol Pot, Stalin or Mao represent even a tiny fraction of the world atheists. The fact is, is that a person’s character is not determined by their beliefs.

[ironcross66106]

@alueshen

How many witches died? 1 or 2?

Do you really want to compare the Salem with witch trials, to Pl pot, Stalin, and Mao?

[alueshen]

@ironcross66106 I noticed you didn't touch the Inquisition, and though the witch trials were a bad example in that context, the point of bringing up the Salem which trials wasn't the death toll, but the religious superstitions of the time. Perhaps I should have included the Crusades? or wait, let me guess, they weren't true Christians either?

I noticed you evaded the comment I made about predominantly atheistic countries. I know it doesn't support you view, but the evidence doesn't lie.

[alueshen]

@ironcross66106 Oh, and BTW, it was 19 people hanged, one person pressed to death and 13 died in prison. Another 140 were accused of being witches. This doesn't sound like a lot, but when you consider the trials last just over two months in a tiny village.....

[alueshen]

@ironcross66106 Part 3 (sorry out of order) What would happen if a Christian decided to build a Church in Iran or Saudi Arabia? Religious extremists would prevent it (not sure what your poit was with this question). What happened when Muslims tried to build a Mosque in New York? Christians nationwide were outraged. If it wasn’t for the rule of law we enjoy, Muslims would be persecuted by Christians the way Christians are persecuted by Muslims.

[ironcross66106]

@alueshen

Your point would be valid about the mosque in New York if there wasn't 300 Mosques already in New York.

However there is, so the argument fails.

You clearly don't know much about what it is to be a true Christian.

If a so-called Christian attacks and kills a muslim, they are NOT following the teachings of Christ.

However if a Muslim persecutes a Jew or a Christian, or an atheist for that matter they ARE following what their book teaches them to do.

Can you see the difference?

[alueshen]

@ironcross66106 "You clearly don't know much about what it is to be a true Christian". Neither do most Christians apparently. Let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're a "true" Christian. Though 80% or so of Americans identify themselves as Christian, I bet less then 10% are "true" Christians as you portray it. But who the heck would know anyway as any Christian that does something another "true" Christian says s/he shouldn't they are cast out of the lot of "true" Christians.

[alueshen]

If I had to define a single reason why I debate against Christianity, and not that there is just one, I would have to say that making the world a better place for my friends and my children are a pretty big motivation for me to debate Christianity. If I can help you to what I know as the truth, great. If I pull someone to my side of the "fence" great.

Lastly the debate expands my understanding of the world and is always an attempt to glean knowledge from it.

[ironcross66106]

@alueshen

You said: The reason you debate Christianity is: making the world a better place for my friends and my children.

What!?

Do you have any idea what a world dominated by atheism would look like?

It would look much like a Church recently built in Saudi Arabia.

There are of course exceptions, but the over all majority of atheists I have seen exhibit the absolute worst traits I have ever seen in humanity on a regular basis.

[alueshen]

@ironcross66106 Do you really believe this stuff that you write? Without exception the lowest rates of:

Murder (source Wikipidia)

Rape (Source nationmaster)

Teen Pregnancy (source Wikipidia)

Science literacy (Source nationmaster)

Are ALL, without exception better in countries where people identify as atheist (source Source: Zuckerman, Phil. "Atheism: Contemporary Rates and Patterns")

Your claims just don't stand up to the according to the evidence. Feel free to Google to double check.

[reeceboy1000]

non stamp collector made a good video on this topic. titled atheists secretly believe I yahweh. check it out.

[tex959]

I know this is an old vid, but I just found your channel and made many comments on your most recent vid related to proof and evidence. I couldn’t agree with you more about the “debate faith” room. I’ve been there and have experienced the same thing. Although I realize many Atheists are not that belligerent, it was an embarrassment to those of us that identify as atheists.

[ironcross66106]

@tex959

Tex I will say this, if you are not that way you are in the minority.

I only had one time in about 20 visiting that chat where there wasn't at least 8 atheists just waiting and wanting a Christian to enter the chat so they could attack them, step all over them while their speaking and be as rude as possible.

They do this in order to either bully the Christian, or get the Christian to stand up for themselves, then they can say: wow your not a very good Christian.

[tex959]

@ironcross66106 I agree with you.  But I also feel that the owner of that room feeds that attack mentality and the atheists that don’t want a part of that usually feel out of place and leave. I consider that room to mainly consist of atheists who also identify as anti-theists. I have a lot of respect for atheists like ReligiousFiction, Evid3nc3, bewarethelizards42, TheraminTrees, TheoreticalBullshit and Christians like papafox, Veritas48, Epydemic2020 and RationalRoundtable.

[ironcross66106]

@tex959

I completely agree.

I came in there one night, and I told them what had happened to me in there the night before.

They said we will let you speak and won't step on you.

So I asked a question, and the atheists I was talking to said, that is a good point, at that point a guy stepped on the mic and asked: ARE YOU A YOUND EARTHER?

I responded, I will answer your question as soon as we are done with the topic at hand.He screams ANSWER THE F&^*ING QUESTION!!!

Then I got kicked out.

[tex959]

@ironcross66106 You must have run into the Rev.Dawgma.. lol.. he's one piece of work. It could have been the rooms owner, but I have a feeling that was Rev.Dawg. Those militant anti-theists are hard to take seriously. I may be unusual in my atheistic beliefs. I don’t believe that theism is necessarily a bad thing, and would go as far as to say that some people actually benefit from religion; Although, I can see far more human benefit from a religion like Buddhism than for one like Islam.

[ironcross66106]

@tex959

It wasn't him that did it, but BOY! do I know what you mean about him. lol

One day that man is going to blow his top.

[tex959]

@ironcross66106 One day? I'd say everyday. The first time I met him, I asked him to try a little more honest dialogue and a little less verbal attacks. His response was a cross between Good Fellas meets Scarface. I’ll try to keep it PG rated, but Dawgma’s reply involved sexual acts with farm animals and my immediate family. So after about 10 minutes of that verbal abuse where it was impossible for me to get a word in, I simply logged out.

[ironcross66106]

@tex959

Yep I agree, that is how he operates.

It starts out ok, but as he goes on, and on and you sit and listen and don't step on him while he is talking you think, he will treat you the same way. WRONG!

As soon as you start talking he interrupts you, and he makes it very clear he is not at all interested in a discussion.

All he wants to do is talk over you, and attack, that's it.

God bless

Ron

[tex959]

@ironcross66106 It’s nice when a theist and an atheist agree :)

[ironcross66106]

@tex959

Yes this guy is a good friend of mine.

I subscribed to his channel back when I first came onto you tube.

He was maybe my second sub.

[darkvixenkillu]

aw come on guys back off. peopel have a right to beleive in WHATEVER they want (even if it's nothing at all) i feel sorry for atheists, think how tough it must be to have nobody to pray to when times get hard, or maybe watching a relative die and not thinking they're going anywhere, but into eternal blackness. and this is coming from someone who's a catholic. if atheists are happy with who they are then leave them alone (also athiests should also do the same for other religions-AKA back off.)

[ironcross66106]

darkvixenkillu

Being a catholic yourself I understand why you don't see why it's so very important to witness to the lost.

Because as a Catholic you believe in purgatory, which is completely un-Biblical.

See for me it's very clear, the G-d rejecting world is headed straight for hell, and I care enough to warn them of where their headed.

They can love me, or hate me, but when all is said and done, they will know I cared enough to tell them the truth.

IC

[darkvixenkillu]

whoa hold on i do not believe in purgatory pal, thats one part of my religion that i don't believe in. it's only because i believe in all the other stuff that i call myself a catholic. and come on can you honestly tell me that your really don't feel sorry for atheists and the fact that don't believe in anything. XC (to any atheists out there I know at least ten of you guys and i don't care if you believe in god or not if you're happy then, more power to ya XD)

[ironcross66106]

darkvixenkillu

Ok, you don't believe in purgatory.

Do you believe in praying to Mary, and to dead saints?

Do you say hail mary's?

Do you believe the Church was built upon Peter?

All these are catholic beliefs, and all are completely un-Biblical.

You act as if you love atheists.

If you believe what G-d's word say's you know where there headed, and if you know where there headed, how can you claim to love them, and not at the very least warn them of where there headed?

IC

[darkvixenkillu]

OH FORGET IT!! I would need a much larger paragraph to explain myself to an empty-headed, narrow-minded ATHEIST HATER like you, but you know what SOMEONE SOMEWHERE is watching you and i really hope they take pity on you and don't give you a really sorry punishment for the way you're acting.

P.S. EVERY SINGLE PERSON OUT THERE i don't give a damn if you have different beliefs than me or anyone else. IF you're a good person at heart then yes...I DO LOVE YOU. AND YES THAT INCLUDES ATHEISTS. XD XD

[ironcross66106]

darkvixenkillu

The truth is, the truth weather you,or I believe it, or not.

Do you believe the truth will be affected at all, if we believe it, or not?

Of course not.

We do have to go to an authority outside of ourselves.

And that is the word of G-d.

And G-d's word makes it VERy clear, unless a man be born again, he cannot enter into the kingdom of G-d.

If you truely love people, and you believe G-d's word is true, how can you love them, and not tell them where their headed?

IC

[darkvixenkillu]

because THEY PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT. okay look; (and please note: IAM TRYING TO BE FREINDLY HERE!!) yes the truth is the truth, but i won't force THE TRUTH I BELIEVE IN onto others! if they ASKED me to TELL them what i belive in (or if i offer my advice and they take it) i'd be more than happy to tell them. I'm just not the kind of person to upset someone by telling them what they may not want to hear (if you don't agree with that then FINE, but that's just the way Iam) so deal with it D

[ironcross66106]

darkvixenkillu

WHAT?!!!!!!!!

YOUR THE TYPE OF PERSON NOT TO TELL SOMEONE THEIR GOING TO HELL, BECAUSE IT MIGHT UPSET THEM???

Do you think they might be a bit more upset on judgement day?

And what would be your response to G-d, if G-d asked you, why didn't you warn them?

IC

[lovethfallen]

What proof is there that there will be a heaven or hell. the bible doesn't count, because man written it, meaning man could have lied. i want massive proof before you tell me anything because there seems to be a bunch of you "Warning for a lost cause". what will happen if you are wrong. there is no way you can take it back then.

[ironcross66106]

darkvixenkillu

Let's examine a few things.

If you actually believe the word of G-d, you know without a doubt that all those not found written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire.

This means all the atheists you claim to love so much is headed there.

You love them, yet don't care enough to warn them.

You claim I am an atheist hater, yet I care enough to warn them.

With that evidence in mind, I suppose you love them enough, NOt to help, is this right?

IC

[lovethfallen]

that athiest comment you said to her. yes she does love athiests because she dated ME.

[darkvixenkillu]

oh for goodness sake wait a minute! now I STAND BY WHAT I SAID IN Y LAST COMMENT, but it's pretty clear to me that both YOU and I are EXTREMELLY stubborn people who have strong beliefs (fair enough), but REALLY we're both being ridiculous don't you think (arguing in a COMMENTS section) you do make some good points (but at the risk of inflating your ego i won't point out what they are XD).my point is i'm hoping you and I can just AGREE TO DISAGREE (i hope you're fair enough to agree to THAT) :D

[ironcross66106]

darkvixenkilluI will say about me, I will never say to you: you may be right, when I know what you say is contrary to G-d's word.

I don't think it's ridiculous at all, G-d's word say's: that all scripture is given by inspiration of G-d, and is profitable for doctrine, for rebuke, and for correction.

You said you were catholic, but that you didn't believe in purgatory.

I asked many other questions, why didn't you answer?

IC

[darkvixenkillu]

OMG i was trying to be nice last time i commented to you but to answer your question it would take too long to explain myself to you (which to me is a waste of time, since i don't have to explain anything to a stranger) but to put it shortly...I NEVER PRAY.okay when i was a kid i used to pray all the time, but i DO still believe in GOD and that he can make miracles happen. I even go to confesion ocassionaly. that's the one and only answer your gonna get from me so don't ask again.

[ironcross66106]

Do you even realize you contradict yourself?

You said if they ASKED me to TELL them what i belive in i'd be more than happy to tell them.

Me: Do you believe in praying to Mary and to dead saints?

Do you say hail mary's?

Do you believe the Church was built upon Peter?

You OMG i was trying to be nice last time i commented to you but to answer your question it would take too long to explain myself to you which to me is a waste of time, since i don't have to explain anything to a stranger.

IC

[TheVoid]

i hate islam more than christianity...but it's close

[darkvixenkillu]

whats wrong with christians and islams?

i've known both who are REALLY great people.

[ironcross66106]

TheVoid

That statement is very telling.

Hate.

That is a very common theme in atheism isn't it?

Why do you think atheists hate so much?

G-d's word tells us exactly why, man's heart is wicked.

The only way you will ever get rid of all that hate is thru Jesus Christ, there is no other way.

He, and only He can change your heart.

IC

[TheVoid]

4 months back i was a bit naive. I don't HATE the hope religion gives to people. Even if it is a false hope. What i do hate though is the penalty for apostisy in Islam. If you don't know what it is look it up. Also, please tell me what your evidence is in "That is a very common theme in atheism isn't it?". Also Christianity is no less viable than Norse mythology, the Romans, the greeks or the pagans...in which christianity nit picked the good bits of it from.

Peace

[FutureRealitiy]

Ron, cool vid

Thanks for your kind words :-), I'm sorry to hear about the crap you had to put up with in that chat room.

Anyway, the only thing that I dissagree with most of your commentators on is that atheists 'hate god', while i thinks that it is likely that a lot of them hate religion, I think believers do not understand the concept of not believing in a god at all !. I personaly do not think we have a god and therefore it is a moot point, I cannot hate that which does not exist.

FR

[TheWheatForce]

whitemisa

In all fairness though, Futurereality is completely different from the Unamazing atheist.

He and I have become good friends.

So he is a good guy.

God bless

Ron

[whitemisa]

PS : I wish Atheists would not attack a sweet guy like you though..people need to not jump to conclusion to quickly and not judge so much on someone's believes,.....but get to know them first..

[ironcross66106]

whitemisa

That is very kind of you to say. ; )

Back in 1999, I use to spend hours debating in a room where there was about a 10 to 1 debate going on, me against all 10, well it wasn't much of a debate really, it was more like 10 people cursing at me and throwing out insults.

I on the other hand tried my very best to be polite.

But growing older we learn : let those who have ears to hear...hear.

God bless

Ron

[whitemisa]

I can't stand the "UNamzing Atheists" he is so very extremely negative and depressing...you can tell he is a depressed guy...funny I have 2 Christian and 2 Atheists Friends the are both the best people you can have as friends, and I am the "neutral" in the middle of this having all the fun.. they do respect each other though, but I am guessing that's because the want to behave in front of me ...lol...but i can see what your saying..

[ironcross66106]

whitemisa

I agree lol about the UN amazing atheist.

Most Christians I have ever known always try to be as nice as they can.

Howevr most atheist I have come in contact with seem very mean spirited, and angry.

God bless

Ron

[ironcross66106]

2222554

Very true.

I couldn't believe they kicked me out of the room for trying to explain free will to them.

The room was called "Debate faith".

I guess what they mean is, they want to attack you, but you cannot defend the faith or they will kick you from the room.

God bless

Ron

[ShadowReubenKee]

Heya Ron, long time no see! ^.^

Just came to see how you were doing, glad you're doing well and still are making videos!

Onto why we "hate/dislike" Christians/Muslims.

Now, let me clarify that. We do not hate you people, those people didn't either. We hate/dislike Religion as a whole. The entire subject that is religion.

Again, we do not hate the people, we hate/dislike the whole lie that is religion.

Take care Ron, until next time! ^.^

[ironcross66106]

ShadowReubenKee

Thank you, I pray your doing well.

I do disagree with you, that they don't hate God, and those who serve Him.

Take some time and go look at this room, and you will see the hatred, and mean spiritedness coming from them.

They hate the sound of scripture so bad that if you quote it very much while making a point, they will kick you for that as well.

God bless

Ron

[ironcross66106]

Neoignis

If I seen any believer do that to a non-believer they would ge a huge scolding from me.

I believe what makes someone that professes atheism is someone who has either had a bad experience in church, or someone who went to church did them wrong...so they develope a hatred for God as a result.

In a way blaming God because of what happened to them.

God bless

Ron

[jesusrules2012]

I feel there is a lot of atheist that are demon possessed. Now I'm not saying every atheist is. The ones that say some very vile things about Jesus. I have had to delete some of the stuff they would say on my youtube page in my comment sec. And also had to block those people. I am seeing more of these types everyday. When you watch a exorcism and you see the same stuff spew out their mouths you can't help but see the same pattern.

[Gunwacko]

I totally agree with the demon possession thing. I have a gift, or curse..whatever it is God gave it to me. I can see demons within people.

[ironcross66106]

jesusrules2012

Sister I would have to agree.

I have seen a few people who are non-believers that I can have a conversation with about Jesus without them going completely nuts.

But many who call themselves atheists hate God, His word, and all who love God.

And it shows in their comments.

God bless you

Ron