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  • Fractured could have been much better if Heafy didn't do the vocals. Capharnaum are a death metal band, they're not a metalcore band like Trivium, therefore a death metal vocalist should be on the mic for Capharnaum, and Heafy should have stuck to his little niche. You wouldn't have Rob Halford singing for this band either. It doesn't have to be a debate of skill, but just a matter of what works for a band's sound, and Capharnaum needs death metal vocals.

  • When this album was recorded, the guitarist/vocalist was 17, and the drummer only 14. fucking awesome

  • And anyone that says Jason isn't as versatile as Matt obviously hasn't heard Crotchduster. But seriously, kids, success in the music business is like 80% business knowledge (or luck) and 20% actual musical talent. Are you forgetting about all the pop stars that you probably hate? "Trivium are better because they make more money," pffff, get real.

  • dude really? have you even listened to trivium? if you have you would know that theyre not better because they make more money... theyre better because they fucking shred almost any band out there today musically and yea maybe their singing doesnt follow the classic "death metal" shit but listen to the vocals here... i think thats why he doesnt sing death metal cuz its 1 tracked and all sounds the same. so fuck you. i hate all these fags that once a band gets a little recognition they hate on em

  • its still more badass than 99 percent of anything out there

  • I don't get how Trivium are more talented just because more people like them than they like Capharnaum. "Making it" in the music business is mostly about being at the right place at the right time. Catchy is such a subjective word. Anyone can consider anything "catchy". For the most part, I feel that basic and simple over played rhythms, song structures and overused teen screams make a band uninspiring. Which is pretty much a more valid reason that Capharnaum are better.

  • @faygohomie69

    @steerclear036

    Look at the end of the day this is an argument based on 2 peoples opinions, faygo you think Trivium are crap and steerclear obviously the opposite. As you said yourself faygo, you can't win an argument based on an opinion. Neither of you are going to convince each other any different so stop with the lame Internet arguing...

    That being said I love Trivium and couldn't care less if anyone thinks otherwise.

  • matt beefy SuuuXXxx

  • matt heafy has in no way ever contributed to technical death metal in any way, he's pretty much garbage

  • reminds me flattening of emotions of Death :)

  • I like how people who listen to Dethklok and ICP think they know shit about music.

  • Okay, Trivium has nothing to do with this video, please don't bring that shit into here. Plus, Matt has a great voice and has an amazing guitar ability.

  • if you think matt has an amazing voice you clearly never have seen him live

  • Great tech death metal \m/

    I would say above average compared to all these modern Technical Death metal bands, which, dispite a great musicianship and skill, have only little if nothing new to give.

    The intro drumming and guitar riff does resemble Death's Flattening of Emotion awfully lot. The influence of "Human" and other Death works is well heard here.

  • yeah trivium sucks but no vocalist can ruin the riiffs and general music on fractured

  • This is way more old school than their latest album, that's for sure.

  • you say he fuckd up Capharnaum but honestly he didnt do shit. its not his band to fuckd shit up in. plus look at trivium. they are way bigger then these guys so is heafy really fucking things up? im thinking he was making a million by the time he was 19 so your a fcuking idiot.

  • Bitch this is fucken death metal its different than that poser ass trivium bull shit that you listen to. Trivium is only bigger because of the shit they play everyone is into that gay shit. The reason why I said he fucked up capharnaum is because he sings all metalcore and carpharnaum is a death metal band you fucken douche bag. Go fucken die you fucken poser. Obviously you dont know shit because you would of fucken agreed with me you fucken pussy.

  • but you are not understanding what im saying, what im trying to get to your head is that heafy did not fuck anything up it was fuckd by Jason and Jordan Suecof because they allowd heafy in. i like this kind of music and i like triviums style too so dont call me a fucking poser and your a idiot if you dont agree to this because you kno it was there fault allowing a vocalist like heafy into a band like this.

  • yeah after making a point about the money u pretty much are a poser

  • @LordMorbid5 lol at calling Trivium posers, he sings all Metalcore? I fail to see how Matt sings like any other Metalcore singer, his screams are very unique and definitely fit Capharnaum.

  • @LordMorbid5 Trivium aren't really different - more guitar oriented with singing. He still screams a butt load and their recent song Shattering the Skies Above is on the verge of Death Metal. Trivium are just a more talented band overall, even though this stuff is absolutely immense Matt Heafy still writes better songs than Suecof does, much more catchy so more people listen to Trivium than Capharnaum.

  • you might be the dumbest person alive. obviously capharnaum thought matts vocals sounded pretty good or they wouldnt have recorded with him. so pretty much your sayin capharnaum are dumbasses for recording with that poser and ruining their band. hypocritical faggot. and sorry all us "posers" dont want to sit and listen to the same death metal sound all fucking day you faggot. death metal is badass in its own right but it gets old pretty damn quick because its the same shit so fuck you

  • It's not about hating a band for getting recognition. Your faggot ass needs to wake up and realize that Trivium's uninspiring and not-so shredding riffs can annoy people for a very legit reason. Sure they outshred a shitload of other POPULAR bands, but again, that's not saying much. I've given them and open minded chance, but that doesn't change the fact that they aren't any better than Divinity, Martyr, Enditol, No Return or a fuckload of better bands included in your 99% of anything.

  • I mean, seriously, I'M the closed minded one when I go out of my way to find more and more music that's better in every sense when you probably wont even check out those bands I just mentioned? Let me guess, rap is crap too, right? Guess what else I listen too, faggot. Rap. Quit pretending you know more than I do just because you got your dildo in a bunch as result of me being bored of some band you finger yourself to. Someone out there in the world dislikes what you're a fan of. Oh no.

  • @EvisceratorBand did i ever say rap was crap? no. sure its not my favorite kind of music by far but i listen to bits and pieces. you just wont admit that any band that is famous is good. you wanna pretend that your some badass cuz you only listen to underground shit. well bravo mr cool.

  • @whiteboy654654 I guess with that same logic, Twinkle Twinkle Little Star is fucking awesome because everyone knows it so well. Look, fanatic, not everyone's going to be able to relate to Trivium's oh so rebellious vocalist's screams of how "harsh" life is. I give everything an open minded chance. The thing is, if the song structure isn't ACTUALLY good enough (and it could be simple, complex, heavy or soft) then what's the point of trying to make myself like it?

  • Buckethead, Michael Romeo, Jeff Loomis are all popular musicians that I'm a fan of by the way. Flukes exist. So you can spare me the "You just hate on musicians for being famous," card that you play just because you don't want to admit to having the same mentality as the pop-star fans that you probably hate. Trust me, there are people out there that pay attention to the music itself. It's mainly why certain people don't like Trivium, I'm not kidding. It's possible. Grow up.

  • whatever man i really dont understand how you can relate anything im saying to being a pop star fan. im simply defending a band that i like. of course i dont expect everyone to like trivium just as im sure you dont expect everyone to like capharnaum. the point is you come out talkin shit about trivium; giving them no credit at all when they started in the exact place as capharnaum and are now more succesful. it obviously proves something. so have a nice day sir

  • @whiteboy654654 yeah, they're good business men. What does that have to do with music structure? How many times are you going to miss the point?

  • you are blind. theres no point in arguing over this anymore cuz neither of us are seeing the others point of view so im just gonna agree to disagree

  • @whiteboy654654 You're pretty much saying that a band is only good because they get famous when in reality, there's a ton of great musicians without any business knowledge.

  • dude thats not what im saying at all. i recognize that capharnaum is a greatly talented band; as are alot of other infamous bands. i liked trivium way before they became popular and its just when u come dissin on em just for the fact that theyre popular and capharnaum isnt is when i get pissed. obviously the music biz is based mostly on luck and hardly any on actual talent (look at almst ever pop star in the biz today) but that dont mean that some of the onz who made it made it basd on just that

  • all im sayin is dont just judge based on popularity. if you dont like trivium fine. i dont expect everyone to. but you cant deny the musical talent in the band and if you do then your just arguing just to argue.

  • @whiteboy654654 I'm pretty sure you were the one judging based on popularity in the first place since you're ONLY argument is that they're more popular, therefore better. I hated Trivium before they were popular too. I checked them out in a CD store when I was living in Japan and thought to myself "Hey these guys are kind of cheesy. Watch them get popular just like a bunch of other cheesy teenagery sounding bands".

  • @whiteboy654654 You're the one that's looking for an argument too. How can you deny that there are a shitload of other bands out there that musically slay the shit out of Trivium just because you haven't heard of them? You keep going off like "You're just hating on them because they're popular," and you're bring up almost nothing that has to do with musicianship. Oh Trivium are so popular, so there's no POSSIBLE way that there's better bands out there, right? Open your damn mind.

  • you keep bringing up shit that i never said. im not denying that there are other bands out there that are better. all im trying to get you to do is admit that they are musically talented. THATS IT! my whole argument has had nothing to do with trivium. yea i used them because it was part of the discussion. so what the fuck do you want. lets watch another fuckin 1000 character response of how i need to open my mind and see the better musicians. well cheer-i-ooooooooo motha fucka

  • @LordMorbid5 I agree that Trivium sucks but you know that Jason Suecof WRITES virtually all of Trivium's song right?

  • @llamalax117

    Wealth is not the way to measure. Tell me the name of a Trivium album you conciser worth a listen after hearing this? No offense to Trivium ;)

  • @llamalax117 I think it's a simple reality check. If someone totaly dislikes his vocals, it's arguable that because of him they don't like the sound of the band anymore. I like both albums. I like first one better.

    And your argument was that it's not possible to choose their old lineup over their new lineup because the dudes band Trivium makes a significant amount of cash?

    And I'm not commenting to compare the 2 bands, just to point out your comment lacked some ''reasoning''

  • matt heafy is better than this guy

  • I agree. He can actually sing, AND scream well. Matt pwns.

  • Matt heafy sucks and people are not just hating on him for no reason. But he fucked up Capharnaum. Thats why.

  • hes a shitty vocalist!!! vocal fry yells are the easiest ones to do other than inhales!!! matt prly hits lows as well as all the other metalcore fags. mixed vocals are for fucking fags. screaming to clean is not hard when u use vocal fry man. all u do is slow & redirect ur airflow & loosen up everything involved. besides if transitions were hard or respectable, would so many bands in mainstream music do it?

  • @dethklock1 If Trivium sucks, then why are they signed and you're not? :)

    And you're lack of good vocabulary, and over use of "fag" shows that you're really smart, by the way.

    And just F.Y.I., Brandon Small from Dethklok is a shitty vocalist, he doesn't even scream, he whispers. :] (not to say they're a bad band, but if you're going to be tossing stones at vocals, you should at least know the truth.)

  • @AndyAgony if you base the whether a band is good or not based on commercial success, you clearly don't know much

  • That's not what I base it on, dude.

    Off my nuts, please. Not all comments are added to provoke a response.

    That one was just to make a point.

    That point being someone with no talent has no say in a well established musician's music.

    Half the bands I listen to no ones even knows, so yeah. :s

  • Dude, Trivium fucking sucks.

  • Mkay.

  • Trivium sucks??? I'm sorry, but they have WAAAAY more talent than the Faygo drinking, inbred clown fucks you claim to call "music". Honestly man, comeback to me when you listen to some REAL rap or even REAL music and then we can argue about Trivium's talent/music ability.

    Yours truly.

  • @Fezetone Ignorance, 'tis truly funny. I don't listen to that shit, or ANY rap at all kid. So try again. Trivium is so generic and so poser it's not even funny.

  • How the hell are they poser? O_o

  • @faygohomie69 I like how you say "Ignorance. 'tis truly funny." Then the rest of your comment is you being ignorant. HYPOCRISY RULES.

  • @steerclear036 Okay moron, what is ignorant about it? Trivium IS generic and ARE posers. And I think rap is shit.

  • @faygohomie69 That comment backs up my statement.

  • @steerclear036 Are you fucking BRAIN DEAD!?!?! Trivium is VERY generic. MAybe you haven't heard enough metal in your life to realize that. And they ARE posers because they tried to scream and be hardcore, then tried to sound like Metallica on the Crusade.

    And I think Rap is SHIT.

    So PLEASE explain to me what is ignorant about those facts and opinion?

    Or maybe you're just so damn ignorant to music that calling other people ignorant makes you feel better about your own ignorance.

  • @faygohomie69 I fail to see how Trivium can be generic when they've made 4 completely different sounding albums.

    Also completely disregarding an entire genre of music is ignorant.

  • @steerclear036 Because whether or not the albums sounded different, they were all very generic. Basically, each was generic in it's own way. Maybe you just haven't heard enough music and metal to realize how generic they are.

    Sorry but I think rap is shit. I have heard everything from underground unknown rappers to mainstream bullshit, and it is ALL lame and shitty.

  • @faygohomie69 Maybe you just haven't heard enough rap.

    You aren't backing up your arguments with any facts, you're just stating your opinion. And that can't win an argument.

  • @steerclear036 I have heard more than enough. Can you even comprehend what you're reading? I said I have heard everything from underground to mainstream. And it all just sucks ass.

    What facts do I need to back my point up? The fact is in the music. Go listen to a wide variety of metal like I have and then tell me they aren't generic.

  • @faygohomie69 I'be been listening to Metal for almost 10 years. I think I've listened to enough to know. I laugh at how you keep saying shit that suggests I'm less intelligent than you. "Can you even comprehend what you're reading?", of course I can, you buffoon, or else I would be replying without reference to any of the things you're saying.

  • @steerclear036 Well then prove that you can comprehend what you're reading because your comment before this was just redundant. I said I have heard pretty much all rap, and then you reply saying maybe I haven't heard enough. That response was just ignorant and redundant.

    Well apparently after those 10 years you still aren't able to discern a band that is generic.

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  • I like this vocalist alot better then heafy, although he'z doing sum pretty brutal low vocals live with some trivium tracks

  • Before they made the fatal mistake of including Matt Heafy in the band. Cool stuff.

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