I don't have a doctor but there are 100's of clinics for free with less than 1/2 hour waits. And at the University UWO there is the Fowler Kennedy Sport medicine center, which treats athletes. The students use surgical phantoms, which were invented there by Dr. Leo Millon and lifelike bioprosthetics! America's schools are the ones that use live patients for their first tries at bypass surgery.
And on the last bit most Canadians hate America, they don't want to go; scared of the ignorance.
why don't they talk about the millions of american who are dissatisfied with our system because they can't afford to pay for care when the problem is small and then the ER bill is much larger than if they had just paid in the first place? Oh yeah, the GOP would fall. Don't fall for this BS from FAUXNEWS. I talked to a friend who is Canadian and their system has improved greatly since the reform passed under PM Martin.Won't hear that from FAUXNEWS. This guy's statements are obsolete.
and I sprained an ankle and got in right away. five years ago i cut my arm open and didn't get in for five hours. they thought the people from the car accident and the old guy having a heart attack took priority not how good my insurance coverage was.
love all this propoganda BS that American news shows about Canadian healthcare,poking a a country that provides a longer lifespan for its citizens by at least 3 years longer than the average American, 85%+of Canadian are satisfied with our healthcare,don`t believe the lies of waiting 4-6months to see a specialist etc,if you`ve got a serious disease or whatever you`re seen and treated right away.Find it arrogant for the American public to criticize another country before looking at yourselves
Fox News, You are describing Quebec health system. I know because the nurse in the video has a french accent and I am a french-Canadian from Quebec. The separatist screw the province health and education system don't blame it on the rest of Canada, blame it on Quebec only. Plus if your life is at Stake they will treat you faster, never herd of a lady losing her 2 legs, and believe me that will have make the news here.
fuck off Fox thats bullshit right thier i dont even wait 10 minutes in my hospital and im from canada dont blame canada on your dumb president corperations and wallstreet if you ask me thier all on the same side to take your money from thier healthcare nothing like that going on in canada.
Oh, now I understand. No one in the US dies or ever has to wait to see a doctor. As a 64 year old Canadian, who has had cancer (chemo and radiation), this is an extreme example - certainly not the norm. The other examples are BS. Likely Ontario. Health Care is a provincial responsibility - Aberta hospitals, clinics etc are first class. This nothing more than PROPOGANDA - FEAR MONGERING. Most Canadian doen't like the system?Surveys indicate 85% extremely satisfied, 10% satisfied 5% unsatisfied
@waynewin I'd love to see these "surveys." I'm sure those 85% who are "extremely satisfied" are probably not using the damn system in the first place. Perhaps we should ask those who need surgeries and are put on a wait list, sometimes for 6 months or more, whether they are "extremely satisifed." Anyone who would turn over part of their liberty so that an incompetent government can make health decisions on their behalf should be ashamed.
@mjn76 Get your facts straight, If you are talking about Quebec health system or the rest of Canada health system. Quebec health system sucks that's a fact thanks to the separatist, so before saying shit about the rest of the country get your facts straight. I can do the same think an make a video about an american white trash ghetto and say that this Represent the whole United-State.
@mjn76 Those 'surveys' showing 85% are people who HAVE received healthcare. I'll make it clear for you. The gov't has NO part of ANY healthcare decision in our system. Maybe you should ask the people in the U.S. who wait 'forever' for an operaton they'll never be able to afford. What liberty do they have??
@MadHabber93 - that is not my comment. You are responding to mjn76 who made those comments. I support Universal Health Care completely. Personally, I have cancer - received immediate treatment, no waiting, received chemo and radiation and am not doing OK now - didn't cost me anything (I did pay $8 per day for parking at the Cross Cancer Institute). I received this treatment from the Health system, not the gov't - Amercians are very badly informed on this subject.
@waynewin Grandma had cancer, had surgery the next week insurance paid for it aswell 60% of chemo. I can walk in right now into my medical care building, 20 min my docter will give me a 20$ check up. Most my finger at work, got it reattached after signing in the emergency room. You mad? canadian? Pet moose got frozen againe?
@MadHabber93 Which proves my point exactly. The Ontario government PREVENTS me from using MY OWN MONEY for healthcare. If I try to do it, I could go to jail. My options were to wait in line, or face fines or imprisonment. Government healthcare that prohibits me from using my own resources for my own health is immoral.
The fact that everyone talks about "getting in line" and "waiting behind others with more important problems" just shows how far gone we are in this country.
@RustyIronloins Actually you CAN use your own money in Ontario, it just won't get you in any faster. Those in need of more urgent surgery will get operated on before you and thank Christ for that. You'd rather have a system where your knee gets operated on first because you can afford to pay for it over someone who needs a bypass. And as I've posted in other video, average posted MRI wait times in Ontario is 32 days for elective MRI's. And the Fraser institute is a BS report.
I once waiting in a London Ontario hospital ER for 4 hours to get 6 Tylenol 3s for a broken tooth with an exposed root... 4 hours for 6 pills... retarded.
@RustyIronloins I was seen, x-rayed, splinted and out the door in 1 hour in London. Ever think you waited 4 hours because there were other people with worse conditions that were seen faster? Its an ER, not a dental surgeon.
This is the biggest crock of shit I've ever seen. I can go to a walk-in and get treated within 20 minutes. Complete bs. Who goes to a hospital for a sore hand after a skateboarding accident? Muppets.
@dompolblanka He's right. Check out the most recent Fraser Institute report on the state of healthcare in Canada... we are in a deep pile of sh*t.
Ours is the only system in the world the prohibits private insurance, other than North Korea and Cuba. All other OECD countries--even "socialist" Sweden (and the rest of Scandinavia), France, and the UK--allow private insurance... currently, it is only legal in QB because of the SCC decision in Chaoulli.
@dompolblanka You don't buy the facts? That's sad. You'd rather go down with the sinking ship than admit it is sinking? I hope you don't apply you non-scientific worldview to all of your life...
They still take care of you and make sure your condition doesn't worsen. It's prioritized bu how much danger your in, and who is in more danger than you.
@Fredjoe89 I torn my ACL in Nov 2009... MRI in 8 months... specialist 3 months later... surgical date? 2 years after the injury. In the meantime, I have an extremely unstable knee and cannot play ANY sports... Our healthcare system sucks. And to make matters worse, the government will fine me or imprison me if I try to buy the surgery I need from a doctor who is willing and qualified to do it. If this isn't the perfect example of immorality, I struggle to think of what "immoral" could mean.
what does wait time have to do with anything? at the end of the day my concern is what is going to happen to my wallet, if i can get free care then whocares how long I wait.
@thebestsumoeva I don't pay half my income in taxes... And Canada is not as bad in terms of taxes compared to other European countries. Ok... So my neighbors pay for my health and I pay for theirs, and I'll gladly keep doing that until I die at a nice old age after living a healthy life.
@007chucknorris007 Nope, he wanted to mislead the viewers by presenting with a b.s. 'sore wrist'. THe nurse told him to wait, so the TRULY hurt people will be seen FIRST. Crowder is a comedian, and a bad one at that. He should stick to that. Well, maybe he should just dig ditches, as his comedic career is probably not making him squat.
@007chucknorris007 And I had to wait 15 hours in a Dallas ER. The guy beside me, with a broken hand, was waiting even longer. Again a few stories here and there is called anecdotal evidence and means nothing. I've never waited more than maybe 3 hours and all the times I've had to go to an ER in Canada. Immediately seen when presenting with chest pains. You are buying the Crowder koolaide. Think for yourself instead of falling for cherry picked horseshit.
Give politicians power and it certainly will be abused eventually -- if not by today's politicians, then by their successors... The only true allegiance a politician has is to his own re-election
There ain't no ticks like poly-ticks. Bloodsuckers all.
Of course with the internet you can now see what the Russians are up to with their TV and they are less propogandist than this network.I never thought America would put out this kind of garbage.... shame on you!
@tindallpe So reporting the news and empirical evidence that doesn't support people you like is "propogandist"? You have a very strange definition of "propaganda", the only garbage here is the canadian socialized health care system which literally kills people after taxing them half their income for their entire life.
@thebestsumoeva What are you talking about empirical evidence?These media people have no experience with the Canadian health care sytem but 60.thousand Americans did when they crossed the border in 2008 as they try to do every year to us the system in Ontario. Does it kill people? Explain please.
@tindallpe Average wait times of a month, operations which are claimed to be postponable turn into life threatening conditions. Other countries with systems similar to Canada's deny life saving drugs because they claim to be to expensive even if the person is willing to pay out of their own pocket. People come from both countries to get treatment what is your point? In the US people aren't forced to pay into a failed healthcare system with over half their income.
@thebestsumoeva Our mariginal tax rates are 2 to 3% higher than yours.Certain provinces pay less tax than any State.Alberta for one. I was just in New York State and paid 13% on hotels. There is also a lot of unemployment there.I like Americans but we have a better lifestyle and universal coverage is a part of that piece of mind
@tindallpe Your marginal tax rate is significantly higher than just 2-3% and your personal tax is much higher. You do have a slightly lower corporate tax so congrats to you. On average Canadians pay 50% of their income to taxes while the highest taxed state in the US pays 30%. We have pretty similar unemployment rates as well so I don't see ur point in speaking about unemployment.
. There is a hurdle; private insurance companies and the propaganda behind it. The number of acute care hospital beds in Canada is 3.0 per 1000 people as a percentage of the population.In the US its 2.8 per1000. Administration costs are 38% ours is 31% I could go on Our system is more efficient than yours.We pay 10%GDP for health care .You pay16% GDP with incredible limitations. We have 9.9 qualified nurses per 1000 people The US has7.9
@tindallpe 50% average tax rate, lets say half of that is your health insurance so you are paying 25% of your income to health insurance. This means 25% of your GDP= health care cost. It is not my fault over half of the money you spend on it never actually ends up in a hospital and instead gets eaten up by bureaucrats and government mishandling of funds. Thanks for cherry picking the very few numbers which make you look slightly better, then again you probably don't understand statistical error.
@thebestsumoeva You are accusing tindallpe of making up numbers, yet you are still clinging to 50% average tax rate??? And your math is WAY off. Let's break it down. Someone making $60,000/year pays a TOTAL of 20% in federal & provinicial income taxes. In Ontario, $4000 (6.7%) would be provincial taxes. 40% of the Ontario budget goes towards healthcare or $1600. That means 2.7% GDP of someone making $60,000 goes towards healthcare costs. Now spare your CLEAR ignorance of our tax system.
@MadHabber93 Did I break it down by income? I said ON AVERAGE which means ON AVERAGE. Of course people in the bottom tax bracket may pay 0% to taxes, but does this mean everyone pays 0%? NO it doesn't, it means people in higher brackets are paying much more to make the AVERAGE right around 50%. Now please understand that even though the bottom tax bracket pays 0% they are still unemployed because anyone who could hire them is paying 90% of their income to taxes already.
@thebestsumoeva $5900 + $12000 is $17,900 in total tax on $60 grand or 29%. And this assuming they would spend all their money on taxable goods, which they wouldn't. A good proportion of that would be spent on a mortgage or rent, which is not taxed, and savings for retirement. Again, not taxed. It is therefore, much lower than 29%. In other words, YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT OUR TAX SYSTEM.
I've done the math for me, & I make $140,000/year, and I pay a total of 33% INCLUDING property taxes.
@MadHabber93 I am also talking OVER ALL taxes, not just federal or social security or provincial, over all means ALL YOUR TAXES added together. It's not my fault you pay taxes on taxes in Canada.
@thebestsumoeva Holy fuck are you clueless. THE AVERAGE salary in both our countries is about $60 grand/year. I have already pointed out that somone making that pays 20% in total income taxes before ANY write offs if single with no kids. 16.7% if married with no kids. 15.5% if married & 2 kids. Add another 3.5% for Social security. That leaves 45800 if you have no kids. Let's say you spend ALL of that money on goods & services and pay 13% tax on that in Onario. That is another $5900 cont'd
@MadHabber93 Holy fuck do you understand I am NOT talking about one tax but all your taxes combined. It's easy to figure out how much you pay on average by looking at how much your country takes in vs. your GDP.
@thebestsumoeva For taxes on taxes, that is in Quebec, not in the majority of the rest of the province with the exception of gasoline. Not to mention, the same is done in Michigan, and I'm sure other States.
Really, why do you keep making assertions that are clearly incorrect. YOU don't live here and don't pay taxes here. I find it comical that YOU are trying to tell ME how much taxes I pay. Get a grip already.
@MadHabber93 You don't live here and yet you keep telling me how we should run our system. This isn't a one way road and open debate is important from both sides. We will obviously have bias towards our own system but ignoring the statements of others doesn't help your situation.
@thebestsumoeva I don't believe I have 'told you how to run your system'. What I have done is clear up your gross misunderstanding of our system and our taxes. I find it funny that you state about ignoring things, when, after 2 of us have told you that we don't pay 50% in total taxes you still ignored the truth and STILL tried to tell us otherwise. If you don't want our system, that is fine, I'm not saying take it. But don't believe the bullshit from the likes of Hannity & Crowder about ours.
My mother had a tumor on her colan.three weeks for surgery. My uncle was diagnosed with severe arterial blockage two days. My next door neighbor 92 years old received a pacemaker in a week If you want to talk about a failed system the USA is a perfect example. 90 % of Canadians are happy or very satisfied with the system. 36% of US citizens are very satisfied, that is why they are trying to change it to be like ours
@tindallpe Once again you are making up numbers. I seriously can't debate you if the amount of numbers you make up keeps growing. Most everyone in the US is happy with their health insurance, I know its much past 50% in nearly ever poll. Perhaps you need to quit reading the activists numbers and look into reality. I've had many friends/family get sick and get great healthcare, what is your point?
We pay 15 % more for fuel and high taxes on booze although bars and restaurant prices are the same as the US. Your unemployment rate is 9.6 ours is7.2 It’s irrelivat .My mistake I brought it up Absolutley no care for surgery or medication is denied ,ever, as a result of cost. I live here I know what the wait times are not significanlty higher .it is 2 to 3% in the various margins.The info is easy enough to get.Taxes calculated are on "after Tax" dollars have us paying more..
@tindallpe You pay more in taxes, I already knew this. The US and Canada are pretty similar economically. The GDP per cap of the US is about 8,000 more and lower taxes are enjoyed, but the Canadian government isn't running as large of deficits so it's interesting to look into how the economics are playing out.
@thebestsumoeva On avg., Canadians pay less than 1/3 in total taxes. No where near 50%, unless you make well over 7 figures. The avg. fed. & provincial income tax paid in Canada is about 20%, personal sales & consumer taxes adds about another 5 to 10%, depending on how much you spend. I make $140 grand/year, and calculated out that I pay about 33% in total taxes after getting my income tax refund cheque. Canada also has a much lower corporate tax & unemployment is 7.2%, 2% less than the U.S.
@MadHabber93 Don't forget your employer pays half of your social security bill which is another tax on you. Just because you don't directly see it on your pay stub doesn't mean your not paying it. Suppose for a minute they raised this tax, do you honestly believe your pay would not decrease?
@thebestsumoeva Actually, if you are referring to old age or the canada pension, we do have that come off our cheque. Its visible on our pay cheques. It has a maximum for the year, which we stop paying for once it paid. You have social security come off yours, so they are both awash.
@MadHabber93 Your entire social security tax is not visible on your paycheck. They take it out from the employer so you are paying it without realizing it. Yes both of our countries do this so there isn't much point besides your average tax rates are right around 50%.
@thebestsumoeva Again, are average tax rates aren't even CLOSE to 50%. You are delusional. Why is 25 year old from the States trying to tell someone whose been paying tax in Canada for nearly the same amount of years what they are taxed at. Would you like an income tax calculator for proof??
And we don't have social security tax here. Show me the link on that one. Cripe.
@MadHabber93 Just Google "taxation of Canada" and you can see exactly what you pay for your health insurance. According to the article people making under 20k/year pay 300/month and people making over 20k/year can pay up to 900/month. In the US the cheapest plan is 48/month and the most expensive I found was 236/month and covered everything. Our most expensive plan is cheaper than your cheapest, I'm sure I can find even better plans for 300/month if I wanted.
@thebestsumoeva Oh my God, google what the average family of four pay for insurance in the U.S. It is 16 Grand, regardles of income. How does a family making 45 grand per year afford those kind of premiums?? Answer, they don't.
And YOU might get insurance for $300/month, you are young with no kids. Wait 20 years and talk to me.
And what does 48/month get you...jack shit in coverage.
We have no co-pays, no deductibles. MOST U.S> plans have high copays & deductibles.
@thebestsumoeva Personally, I have everything in regards to healthcare. If you are so convinced you have it better, keep it Your system couldn’t hold a candle to ours and you won’t be able to for at least ten to 15 years and that is only once you figure out how srewed up yours is. How long do you think that will take HHMMM?oh and thanks for the theencouragement about seeing a specialist No one I know has ever had an issue with proper access to specialists
@tindallpe Keep your screwed up system as well. I'll sadly keep laughing when your dogs and cats get better health care than you. Hearing of you speak of your system so highly and then reading about people losing legs because of basic clots exploding after having a surgery post poned 6 months or maternity wards full of patients shutting down due to funding problems I just hope you someday open your eyes.
Watch " He goes to a clinic on Sunday which is closed. Instead of looking up a clinic which is open on Sundays (many are in Quebec) he goes to the emergency room of the hospital and says "My hand is numb" (exact words) -- no pain, blood, scrape, can't feel it, etc.Sorry.. but the rest of us Canadians know how to use the yellow pages, Google, or ask for a list of open walk in clinics -- or pharmacy with a nurse. " Again this report is propoganda.
@tindallpe Go to a clinic in the US on Sunday with only a hurt hand and you get treatment that day. The US leads the world in cancer recovery rates, new drug development, and average wait times for service. BTW if you need to see a specialist in Canada good luck to you...
@thebest I've had to go to a walk in clinic on a Sunday, was seen in an hour. It is CLEAR you drink the koolaide coming from the far American right about our system. In addition, based on 2010 cancer rates, Canada's 5 year survival rates are virtually identical. Not to mention a British Medical Journal study showing that 2 MILLION Americans forgo cancer treatment due to cost. How long do they wait?
I've needed numerous specialists that I waited a few weeks for. Immediately when it was urgent
@MadHabber93 I've also read studies where they found the numbers of beds and doctors was decreasing over time while the number of administrators were increasing. They've even closed down maternity wards that were full of patients 24/7 due to lack of funding. Why are people in Britain ripping their own teeth out because their dental appointment is scheduled 7 months later?
@thebestsumoeva We are covered. You are not. Our system of healthcare delivery is superior to yours. Over 50% of bankruptcies in the US are due to trying to pay for healthcare .We have zero.One 6/th your population has NO coverage.Here everyone is covered.You have deductibles caps and denials for service .We have exactly zero of that activity. You are spending 16% of your GDP on healthcare.We are spending 10%. You are so far behind us you don’t even know you are in the race.
@tindallpe You claim we spend 16% of GDP and you spend 10%, but when I read your taxation I see you pay 300/month if you make under 20k/year and up to 900/month if you make more than 20k/year not to mention you have add prescription plans ontop of that. The most expensive plan I could find here was 236/month and covered everything we 0 deductible. THe only difference is I can choose not to buy it if I don't want to. 1/6 of our population is between 18-25 and doesn't want health insurance.
@thebestsumoeva Your numbers are soo far off. Quit wasting my time. What you don't even consider is those numbers don't even TOUCH the coverage we get. I've researched it, right from U.S. insurance websites. I checked for someone like me, 42 with 2 kids. The best I could find in the state of Michigan was a $1000 deductible, with 20% copays on all bills and doctor visits. It was over $800/month. So, a $100,000 hospital bill would cost $20 grand. Nice.
@thebestsumoeva That is not what happens here. 40 thousand people per year die in the US as a result of having no coverage at all.We are way more efficient as I have been trying to tell you. We as Canadians are right on your border.There has been massive criticism of our system by certain interest groups within the US.mainly private insurance companies. NO Canadian would trade your system for ours .Many millions of your people WOULD trade your system for ours
@tindallpe 100,000 Canadians die per year as a result of waiting for surgeries deamed not important. Countless others who have to choose between buying food or paying 300/month for health care are told to buy health care and starve to death. Many Canadians that have gone to your hospitals and seen first hand just how incompetent they are would trade your system for anything. I'm happy you enjoy your system, I just hope you never have to use it for your own sake.
@thebestsumoeva WHere the FUCK did you pull the 100,000 number from? Are you seriously that fucking stupid??? SHow me the study you dumb fuck. If not, go fuck yourself with your ignorant dumbass postings.
There isn't ONE study showing ANY, let alone that dumb number you pulled from your ass, that Canadians die waiting for care. What little credibility you have is now gone. Move on dipshit.
@MadHabber93 Fuck off, you stupid irresponsible fucking prick. You never quoted where your number came from so you have absolutely no fucking credibility pal. Don't go an babbling like your so high and mighty you dumb ape fucker. Millions of Canadians hate your system because they have had to use it and realized it sucks, so fuck off.
@thebestsumoeva SOmeone making $60,000 grand/year in Ontario pays $4000/year in provincial taxes. 40% of provincial taxes goes towards our system, or $1600/year or $133/month. And that covers 100% of doctor visits with no copays, no deductibles, no caps and we can NEVER be dropped or denied coverage. Your system CAN"T FUCKING touch that. Now go crawl back underneath your hillbilly rock you IGNORANT FUCK!!
@MadHabber93 Wrong, you are taxed 300-900 dollars per month directly for your health insurance. Just Google Taxation of Canada and find the "health and prescription insurance tax", btw this tax doesn't cover your entire system so you are paying a minimum of $300/month for shitty health care that you can't actually use because the average wait times are a month for basic visits.
@thebestsumoeva Basic visits? The vast majority of us get basic visits with our GP the same day. If they happen to be busy we can go to ANY walk in clinic and see a GP in, at most, an hour.
For your 'health & Perscription tax" that is in only Ontario and is PER YEAR. Like I told you a month ago, but you seem to just ignore, I know this BECAUSE I LIVE IN ONTARIO YOU STUPID FUCK!
Now, here is a income tax calculator that PROVES what we pay DUMBASS.
@thebestsumoeva Basic visits? The vast majority of us get basic visits with our GP the same day. If they happen to be busy we can go to ANY walk in clinic and see a GP in, at most, an hour.
For your 'health & Perscription tax" that is in only Ontario and is PER YEAR. Like I told you a month ago, but you seem to just ignore, I know this BECAUSE I LIVE IN ONTARIO YOU STUPID FUCK!
Now, here is a income tax calculator that PROVES what we pay DUMBASS.
@thebsts What in the hell are you talking about $300.00 per month As payroll tax I'll assume Income tax. Has that not just explained to you in minute detail? Our marginal tax rates are nearly identical 2to3% more in Canada.There are NO I repeat No out of pocket costs for doctors or hospitalization visits or insurance. Healthcare costs in the US are 16% to GDP ours is 10% published anywhere you chose to look.I just realized you are trolling.Keep your shit healthcare. The whole world knows but you
@tindallpe Your "Health and Prescription Insurance Tax" is $300/month for people under $20k/year and up to $900/month for people over $20k/year. This is taken separately from your other taxes hence why it is so easy to see how much you are spending on your healthcare. Your health system also receives money from your other taxes, but this one at least gives you an idea of how much your spending and let me tell you $300/month at the minimum is ridiculous.
@thebestsumoeva WHere do you get your horseshit info from. There is no such thing called a Health & Prescription Insurance Tax, as drugs aren't covered in our system for one. And I've already shown the someone making 20 grand/year pays $16/month for FULL health insurance. Someone making 60k/year pays about $170/month through taxes. You a FUCKING IDIOT. Our health system only takes the money from provinical taxes as I've pointed out. Stop speaking of something you CLearly know nothing about
@thebestsumoeva In addition, which I've linked, the average family now pays almost $20k/year on healthcare costs EVERY year. Not to mention, ALL Canadians are waiting a little bit for those elective procedures while MILLIONS of AMericans are simply not in line because THEY CAN'T AFFORD the insurance or the operations. Nice system. Time to wake up little boy.
Your taxes are only slightly lower than ours, yet doesn't give you ANY COVERAGE. Twit.
@thebestsumoeva Now I figured out where you are getting the Health and Insurance Tax info from. That is for Ontario and that is $300/YEAR not per month you fucking idiot. And its not $900 for those over 20k dipshit. I make $140k/year and I pay about $600/year which is incorporated right into the income tax rate that comes off my pay check which I have included in every calculation I've shown you. SOmeone making under 20K doesn't pay ANY extra. What's your next dumbass claim?
@thebestsumoeva Satisfaction rates for health care are way higher in Canada that's my point.
There is no comparison in that regard.90% in Canada you say 50% in the US. Then you say taxes are lost in the bureaucracy in Canada. Our administration costs are 31% yours are 38% for healthcareThe money for trusts in the US have been “Borrowed out” or stolen and are now not capable of funding medicare down there.That is abuse
@tindallpe I said they are greater than 50% in the US, I don't like to make up numbers so I was being safe when stating that, its easily in the high 80/ low 90 range. At any rate I'd wager 90% of your citizens haven't even used your system and don't quite understand the horrors of it.
@MadHabber93 Please back up your numbers as well. As long as we're making up bs can we at least have the government buy magical ponies for us? Google "Taxation of Canada" and then search for "health and prescription insurance tax", this is where you can find that you pay a minimum of $300/month for your health insurance per person all the way up to $900/month.
@thebestsumoeva I've been through most states and talked to many Americans about this issue.When I tell them the way our sytem works and I admit issues they can't believe it.I here nothing but screams of complaints about your system;that is why they are trying to change it.You knew we paid more in taxes but you thought it was more than 2to 3% in marginal tax rates so you pay 30% and we pay 50% you say.You are incorrect
@tindallpe You pay at least 300/month for your health care, we pay at the most 236/monthy if we want a top notch plan, but you can pay more if you want to. The cheapest plan was 48/month so I'm fairly sure what people were lured in by was you claimed your system is free which is complete and utter nonsense. Anyone likes free things, the sad part is that it isn't free and in fact you are paying much more than we are although you continue to believe the lie that it is free.
Doctors numbers of been increasing at about 8% annual, faster than our population.
We've never closed down maternity wards. In fact, in my city of London, ON., we just opened a state of the art, 75 bed maternity ward. Guess how much my wife's 2 c-sections cost, along with her stay? ZERO, NOTTA, zilch. Oh wait, parking. $8/day. We took out a loan for that one.
@MadHabber93 Take your age and multiply it by 3600 and that is what you have paid at the minimum for your wifes C-section. Now take all the millions of people that didn't use their health insurance and you get a gigantic number which you were fortunate enough to receive so your wife could have a c-section. Open your mind and start thinking, you might realize you've been scammed.
@thebestsumoeva Here's a newsflash, my wife's C section wouldn't have cost that much here if paying cash. Our billings are WAY less than yours. Of course I know that, BECAUSE I FUCKING LIVE HERE>
Why don't you tell me what you make a year, and we'll do some real math, not pull numbers out of our ass math.
The only one scammed here is your population. Twit.
@MadHabber93 Your on site cash payments for your wife's C-sections were cheap, but you have lived your entire working life paying almost half your income just so she could have that C-section. I just graduated college and only make $48k/year in to years it'll get a little better and I'll make $59k/year, then in another 2 years I'll be at $85k/year. Now what do you make and what is the point for asking?
@thebestsumoeva I made $140 grand last year and paid 33% in income taxes. After tax write offs I paid 25%. Why you come back a month later to talk about something YOU KNOW FUCK ALL about is very telling. I've concluded you have a degree in mental retardation. Good for you. I didn't think someone who is mentally handicapped can type. Your parents must be proud. Now tuck your dumb ass tail between your legs and go to bed retard boy.
@MadHabber93 Congrats, I'm 22 years old and just graduated college with a BS in Physics. Calling someone "retarded" while slobbering on your self and holding your nose in the air doesn't add anything to your argument. What exactly do you do anyways?
@thebestsumoeva Hey, I'm not trying to talk down to you based on age nor degree. If you actually do have that degree, then that's great, I commend you on it. Physics was my weakest science subject. However, I'm calling you retarded because you keep believing that we pay up 900 per month when we don't. The fact you keep holding on to that premise IS retarded. Now I've presented CLEAR evidence that we don't so just give it up already.
@thebestsumoeva Argument from authority. Logical fallacies don't make you right. Are you trying to argue against personal testimony and actual facts? Get off your high horse and actually learn a thing or two about the world. Then you don't have to look like such an idiot on places like youtube, a site the whole world uses. Right now, with the intelligence you're showing, any of claims you make don't seem very credible.
@MadHabber93 So your 5 year survival rates are similar? Gee I wonder why they'd pick the 1 group of survivor rates that makes you identical. 2 million Americans do not forgo cancer treatments, that is complete bs. I've known people without insurance get cancer treatment before. If I drink the koolaide from Fox News then you must be drowning in the koolaide spouted off from government funded research which will never find anything wrong with it self.
@thebestsumoeva I suggest you research my claim before calling B.S.
"One in six patients in the United States with cancer skips some of their continuing health care because of cost, concludes a new study. The authors conclude that more than two million of about 12 million Americans with a history of cancer “did not get needed medical services because of financial concerns.”
BMJ 2010; 340:c3312 doi: 10.1136/bmj.c3312 (Published 21 June 2010)
@MadHabber93 You get your information from the British Medical Journal? You do know if they ever proved a free market system works they'd all be out of business? Not to mention the UHS is eating Britain alive with their huge cost and fuzzy math for reporting cost. The people over there are pulling their own teeth out because their dental appointments are scheduled over a year out. I can make up propaganda just like BMJ, but it doesn't make me right.
@thebestsumoeva For 5 year survival rates, I was counting ALL cancers combined. I get the information right from the both countries Cancer care websites. I'll post them if you want.
5 year survival for all cancers, both men&women in Canada is 62%, and 64% in the U.S. As someone with a science degree, is NOT statisically significant. Not to mention, NO ONE goes bankrupt to get cancer treatment here, nor has to forgo NEEDED treatment due to cost.
@MadHabber93 What area of science is your degree in, I have a BS in Physics if you'd like to talk about science. As I've said you guys pay a minimum of $300/month for your health insurance which you have to add another plan for prescription drugs. That is simply a ridiculous price considering you are all forced to pay it. The only difference is that you have to pay this price and we can choose not to. Perhaps you prefer monopolies to freedom, but I do not.
@thebestsumoeva I have a MS in Biochemistry. You obviously don't know MATH. I've clearly shown you that we DO NOT just pay $300/month. Just like I proved we don't pay 50% in taxes, yet YOU still want to tell ME how much I pay. Get over yourself already. YOU ARE WRONG!! PERIOD!!
And we have WAY more freedom in our system than yours. I know this BECUASE I FUCKING LIVE HERE
@MadHabber93 I have a BS in Physics so I might know a little bit of math as well. Perhaps in Biochemistry you skipped tensor/vector analysis and differential equations, but I did not. AT any rate all you have to do is Google "Taxation of Canada" then search the article for "Health and Prescription Insurance Tax", this is a tax specifically taken out just for health insurance and it ranges from $300-900/month. This alone makes your healthcare more costly.
"The Ontario Health Premium is an additional amount charged on an individual's income tax that ranges from $300 for people with $20,000 of taxable income to $900 for high income earners."
NOWHERE does it say per month. BUt when you look at the Ontario website, you see what the actual per month charges are: $0 to $75/month THAT IS IT. PERIOD.
@thebestsum Here is the quote directly from what you cite: "The Ontario Health Premium is an additional amount charged on an individual's income tax that ranges from $300 for people with $20,000 of taxable income to $900 for high income earners." NOWHERE does it say per month. When you look at the Ontario website the actual monthly tax ranges from $0 to $75. THAT IS IT. Read it & weep.
ww w. rev. gov. on. ca/en/tax/healthpremium/rates. html
Now screw off already & stop embarrassing yourself.
@thebestsumoeva This from an American Mass. wouldn't have had as many problems if EVERY state had single payer, and the insurance co./middlemen were removed nationwide. Hey, got a couple of bills here from taking my kid to the ER when she bonked her head. X-ray & EKG (EKG...why?) About 10 min of Dr. time. Radiologic = 35.00, ER exam = 753.00, ER visit = 1701.07. Not worth filing on health insurance...2000.00 deductable, then they pay 80%. Turned out nothing was wrong with her, just a small cut
@tindallpe If you don't have health insurance it does get expensive, but according to Wikipedia if you make below 20k/year you are paying 300/month for health insurance while oe of the most expensive plans in the US is 236/month. The only difference is that you have longer wait times and we have a choice not to pay for health insurance if we choose not to get it.
In the US over 50% of personal bankrupcy is the result of having to PAY for health care.The average deductable is over $ 2000.00.In other words you pay for everything out of pocket unless it is serious at which time even the best insurance will cut you off . What kind of moron would attempt to defend a system like that. Fox news again. Just a bunch of lying retarted assholes. PS.They went to the US supreme court to demand the right to knowingly lie and they won
@tindallpe You aren't paying for your healthcare? Geez I thought you paid 50% of your income for roads and bridges. Where in the hell do you get the average deductible is $2000, that's a blatant lie. Deductibles on a $50/month health insurance plan are $2000 which is the cheapest plan. In Canada you don't get to choose what plan you get, the government takes your money and controls quality and quantity. Got a complaint, join the others in the corner.
@thebestsumoeva The gov't does not control the quality or quantity of healthcare. And why would we want another plan, we have NO deductibles, NO co-pays, NO caps. NOTHING. No insurance in the States can touch the coverage we get. PERIOD.
@MadHabber93 I have insurance that has no deductibles or caps or anything and it cost around $190/month. You easily pay more than that in taxes and I'd argue your quality of service is lower. The only difference is you are forced into your system no matter whether you like it or not. You have to pay double if you want private coverage so you have a 2 tiered system in which the majority of people can not even try and get quality coverage.
@thebestsumoeva You can argue that the quality of service is lower here, yet ACTUAL stats show otherwise.
And we are not forced into our system. We can opt out of using our insurance card and pay cash if we want.
I always find it comical that an American, whose probably never been to Canada let alone a Canadian hospital, tell us what the quality of our healthcare is like.
Really dude, get over yourself already.
And the average insurance for a family of 4 is $16 grand in the U.S.
@MadHabber93 Well I find it just as amusing that a bunch of Canadians enjoy telling ME my healthcare sucks because they watched that "documentary" by that fatass Moore...
@TheCatsLastWord Did I make the claim that your healthcare sucks?? THought not. Your system leaves millions behind, but the actual care you receive is very good. BIG difference.
@TheCatsLastWord and you are getting huge media feed about how "SOCIALIST systems don't work.They use that word and it's working. When in reality it's called UNIVERSAL COVERAGE which is cheaper and better and 'THE PEOPLE don't get fucked by insurance companies
@TheCatsLastWord I personally haven’t seen Michael Moores doc.Weird I know. What you are seeing from Canadians is our response to American versions and attacks on OUR healthcare system because the US is trying to bring in improvements ,eliminating private insurance companies,
@MadHabber93 What ACTUAL stats are you looking at? Activists websites that claim we should all live in caves? When you read a paper make sure to note where they got their information, then note how their data was collected. Supposedly the WHO reports Cubans have better healthcare, but anyone with half a brain or that lives there will tell you half their hospitals lack basic necessary drugs and are filled with dead cock roaches. The WHO only goes by what the Cuban Government says, not reality.
@MadHabber93 Peer reviewed research studies performed by the...you guessed it, the WHO. I've done peer reviewed meta materials research in physics and boy can I tell you just how much science really isn't that scientific. Peer reviewed = scientist only publishing bs that supports their views. Don't get me wrong, it's not all bad but at the end of the day we are all humans and we can and will fudge numbers to support our selves.
@thebestsumoeva Oh, I was wrong, its not $16 grand.....its almost $20 grand.
"American families who are insured through their jobs average health care costs of $19,393 this year, up 7.3%, or $1,319 from last year, according to independent actuarial and health care consulting firm Milliman Inc."
@thebes And boy you sure "Fudged" a few numbers there ya halfwit.90% approval of our healthecare in Canada .Say whatever you want.We have it. You don't .That is why you are trying to change yours to be like ours.Problem is you have this propaganda drool comming out of your media on behalf of private insurance companiesHannity is the catylist. 40 thousand Americans die every yearbecause they can't see a doctor.Do you think any American children died today because you wont let them see a doctor?
@tindallpe How many Canadians die per year due to wait lists for surgeries considered optional? Trust me, it happens a lot more than you think. It's like the FDA in the US, I guarantee the FDA has killed many more people than it has saved, by delaying the introduction of new medications/treatments it is literally killing people which need treatment now. I'm sure if given the choice between death and an experimental drug, they'd most likely choose experimental drug.
@thebestsumoeva ANd to answer your question on how many Canadians die waiting for optional surgery. NONE. There are no studies showing any die. As there are no wait times for urgent, life saving surgery here. Yet you make a claim you can't back up. WHile 45,000 AMericans die every year due to lack of access to healthcare due to cost. According to a study from the NUMBER ONE ranked University in the U.S., Harvard. Heard of them? Until you can back up any of your dumbass claims, FUCK OFF!
@MadHabber93 I'm not making a claim, just Google Canadian surgery wait times and you can find forums dedicated to people waiting for surgeries. An article from the ministry of health claim many have died, but they were smokers so who cares anyways, it's their fault they got cancer.
Your anger and ignorance are kind of laughable, the fact you have to resort to mind numbing cussing shows just how pathetic you are. For your sake I hope you never get cancer so your world isn't rocked.
@thebestsumoeva You have got to be one of the dumbest fucks I've ever come across on youtube. We have 'some' wait times for NON-urgent surgery as our system serves EVERYONE. When you take MILLIONS out of the line, like your system, wait times will be less but not FREE you FUCKING IDIOT!!!
@theba Why don't you just summarize your position.We have a very good working system for the delivery of health care.You do not.The propaganda about rediculous tax rates in Canada is irrevokable horseshit.Our financing is built into the system.We have wolrd class systems that can always be improved.Your country is not there.You will have record of how your private ins.industry has used media to block reform. The US has great things to offer but private insurance is a blight on your reputation
@tindallpe My position is your system is the worst kind of monopoly. It is nearly completely out of your control and you are forced to pay into no matter what. Doctors don't work for you, they work for the government and it shows in their lack of actually caring about you. You pay a minimum of $300/month for what I'd consider sub par service to which you have no choice as to who you see etc. Your government has used media to maintain it's powerhouse all with your money.
@thebestsumoeva it sounds like you work for private insurance because as was just pointed out to you via madhabbers explanation the three hundred dollars is a YEARLY tax not monthly that was specifically brought in by the province 6years ago.We dont pay monthly taxes for medicine other than that. You are DEAD wrong about Doctors pal. They work for us and only bill the government insurance I can change Drs any day .Use a walk in Clinic seen the SAME DAY.You have no clue what your talking about
@thebestsu Just saw an article today about a woman in Oregon that has bone cancer.Apparently she is in even more trouble because she is only allowed three garage sales a year because of bylaw restrictions ; that is how she was trying to pay for her treatment. Her name is Jan Cline. What a pathetic joke and there are people defending that system.Shame on you.As is common knowledge under any factsheet You pay nearly double what we do in your system16% of GDP to our 10%. Your numbers areBullshit
@MadHabber93 Unless you can opt out of paying taxes then you can't opt out of your system. I always find it comical you throw around the lie that your system is free when in reality it cost you 300/month at the minimum and up to 900/month when the cheapest plan in the US is 48/month and 236/month for a top tier plan. The average insurance for a family of four is not 16k, that is a blatant lie and you probably know it. Stop spreading around propaganda bs, we aren't as stupid as you.
@thebestsumoeva I've put up the numbers you FUCKING IDIOT. For the average Canadian in Ontario making $60 grand/year its $133/month. Someone making $20 grand, they would pay a TOTAL of $491 in provincial income taxes for a YEAR. 40% of that is $196 or $16/month. Keep posting horseshit sunshine, I'll bury you with facts.
Fact, average insurance rate for a family of four is over $16 grand/year. Look it up asshole!!!
@MadHabber93 I've already pointed you to the fact that they have a dedicated tax just for your health care called "Health and Prescription Insurance Tax" which is #300/month for incomes below $20k/year and up to $900/month on top of which you have to add your own prescription insurance plan. You are looking at one tax and claiming you only pay that, that's like me claiming I only pay 8% of my income to taxes because we have an 8% income tax. Your ignorance is quite stunning.
@thebestsumoeva I've already pointed out, quite clearly, that its 300 per YEAR not per month. You pulled your info from Wiki, but know where in there does it say per month. And I know its per year, AS I FUCKING LIVE HERE AND PAY THAT TAX. You telling me, a dumb ignorant Yankee who probably couldn't find Canada on a map, is a JOKE. Its beyond stunning to me that you keep posting horseshit. Tell ya what, go buy the biggest cucumber, stick it up your ass, then you won't pull numbers out of it.
@thebestsumoeva I can see Madhabbers frustation Any additional tax to the $300 per year to a max of $600.00 pre YEAR to the maximum income earners is at retail. There are NO dedutions whatsoever.NO deductions Whatsoever.So you either don't understand the postings or you are lying. You know ,we have an 85% approval rating for our system.We aren't limited in our understanding of the system.We are fine you are not fine with what happens down there,in fact it's a disgrace
@thebestsumoeva Ok .So you are drunk and you are smarter than me.Is that what this is about?Your approval rating is dismal .Across the population it is less than 50% "I approve "without changes If you are a "physicists" you would be better off focusing on your profession and and stay the hell out of taxation in Canada because you have no clue what you are talking about Einstein
@MadHabber93 You can opt out of using your insurance card, but can you opt out of paying taxes for it? It's only optional if you can opt out of paying for it. You'd have to be insane to opt out of receiving benefits from something you have to pay for by law.
Also, he said most Canadians don't like the system.... Surreeeeee, which is why we voted Tommy Douglas, the man who made the system, the greatest Canadian ever.
@ROBLOXIANgordonrox24 I don't recall ever saying most Canadians don't like it. If anything I'd say a lot of Canadians are upset when they go to the doctor and can't get good service even though they've paid outrageous taxes their whole life.
@thebestsumoeva Canadians don't pay outrageous taxes compared to other countries. We do quite well compared to places like Germany or France. I've also been to various private clinics, and I've never paid a dime. Not sure which clinics you go to...
@ROBLOXIANgordonrox24 300/month is the cheapest your insurance is so take your age and multiply it by 3600 and that is how much you paid into your system at the minimum. Congrats for being fooled by politicians that just want to buy your votes.
BTW I've gone to many clinics and have never had any problems getting service. Not so sure you can say the same about yours.
@thebestsumoeva I don't personally have insurance.... Government pays all my health care, and then my drugs are paid for by my employer through drug benefits. I've never paid a dime for healthcare in my life, except for the part of my taxes that go towards it...
@ROBLOXIANgordonrox24 You can't claim you haven't paid a dime when almost half your income goes towards taxes. Thats quite a bit of money if you ask me. At any rate you caught your logical fallacy at the end of your reply so I'll give you some credit. BTW the government is not a person with a job, it can not pay for stuff without stealing it from others so instead of saying the government paid for it you need to say your neighbors or you indirectly paid for it.
@ROBLOXIANgordonrox24 The private clinics are privately funded at the door, they may receive funding outside private funds but they are not totally publicly funded.
I don't have a doctor but there are 100's of clinics for free with less than 1/2 hour waits. And at the University UWO there is the Fowler Kennedy Sport medicine center, which treats athletes. The students use surgical phantoms, which were invented there by Dr. Leo Millon and lifelike bioprosthetics! America's schools are the ones that use live patients for their first tries at bypass surgery.
And on the last bit most Canadians hate America, they don't want to go; scared of the ignorance.
ThereAreNoUnionThugs 1 week ago
This guy can't even speak french or afford a translator to make his propaganda?
ThereAreNoUnionThugs 1 week ago
There's no "take a number" system in my Canadian hospital
ThereAreNoUnionThugs 1 week ago
Ya, you can get scabs from any country to sell out and lie for America. who would have guessed?
ThereAreNoUnionThugs 1 week ago
why don't they talk about the millions of american who are dissatisfied with our system because they can't afford to pay for care when the problem is small and then the ER bill is much larger than if they had just paid in the first place? Oh yeah, the GOP would fall. Don't fall for this BS from FAUXNEWS. I talked to a friend who is Canadian and their system has improved greatly since the reform passed under PM Martin.Won't hear that from FAUXNEWS. This guy's statements are obsolete.
Stidmatt1 1 month ago
and I sprained an ankle and got in right away. five years ago i cut my arm open and didn't get in for five hours. they thought the people from the car accident and the old guy having a heart attack took priority not how good my insurance coverage was.
cazyhorseworld 1 month ago
love all this propoganda BS that American news shows about Canadian healthcare,poking a a country that provides a longer lifespan for its citizens by at least 3 years longer than the average American, 85%+of Canadian are satisfied with our healthcare,don`t believe the lies of waiting 4-6months to see a specialist etc,if you`ve got a serious disease or whatever you`re seen and treated right away.Find it arrogant for the American public to criticize another country before looking at yourselves
iLuvBarRefaeli 1 month ago
Error below - am doing OK now (meant to say not afficted by cancer any more).
waynewin 2 months ago
Fox News, You are describing Quebec health system. I know because the nurse in the video has a french accent and I am a french-Canadian from Quebec. The separatist screw the province health and education system don't blame it on the rest of Canada, blame it on Quebec only. Plus if your life is at Stake they will treat you faster, never herd of a lady losing her 2 legs, and believe me that will have make the news here.
rs210 2 months ago
fuck off Fox thats bullshit right thier i dont even wait 10 minutes in my hospital and im from canada dont blame canada on your dumb president corperations and wallstreet if you ask me thier all on the same side to take your money from thier healthcare nothing like that going on in canada.
scottdog87 2 months ago
Oh, now I understand. No one in the US dies or ever has to wait to see a doctor. As a 64 year old Canadian, who has had cancer (chemo and radiation), this is an extreme example - certainly not the norm. The other examples are BS. Likely Ontario. Health Care is a provincial responsibility - Aberta hospitals, clinics etc are first class. This nothing more than PROPOGANDA - FEAR MONGERING. Most Canadian doen't like the system?Surveys indicate 85% extremely satisfied, 10% satisfied 5% unsatisfied
waynewin 2 months ago
@waynewin I'd love to see these "surveys." I'm sure those 85% who are "extremely satisfied" are probably not using the damn system in the first place. Perhaps we should ask those who need surgeries and are put on a wait list, sometimes for 6 months or more, whether they are "extremely satisifed." Anyone who would turn over part of their liberty so that an incompetent government can make health decisions on their behalf should be ashamed.
mjn76 2 months ago
@mjn76 Get your facts straight, If you are talking about Quebec health system or the rest of Canada health system. Quebec health system sucks that's a fact thanks to the separatist, so before saying shit about the rest of the country get your facts straight. I can do the same think an make a video about an american white trash ghetto and say that this Represent the whole United-State.
rs210 2 months ago
@mjn76 Those 'surveys' showing 85% are people who HAVE received healthcare. I'll make it clear for you. The gov't has NO part of ANY healthcare decision in our system. Maybe you should ask the people in the U.S. who wait 'forever' for an operaton they'll never be able to afford. What liberty do they have??
MadHabber93 2 months ago
@MadHabber93 - that is not my comment. You are responding to mjn76 who made those comments. I support Universal Health Care completely. Personally, I have cancer - received immediate treatment, no waiting, received chemo and radiation and am not doing OK now - didn't cost me anything (I did pay $8 per day for parking at the Cross Cancer Institute). I received this treatment from the Health system, not the gov't - Amercians are very badly informed on this subject.
waynewin 2 months ago
@waynewin Oooops, my apologies. Glad your doing well.
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@waynewin Grandma had cancer, had surgery the next week insurance paid for it aswell 60% of chemo. I can walk in right now into my medical care building, 20 min my docter will give me a 20$ check up. Most my finger at work, got it reattached after signing in the emergency room. You mad? canadian? Pet moose got frozen againe?
88pie88 3 weeks ago
I generally consider the source of those "facts" before accepting them blindly. Apparently, you don't.
dompolblanka 2 months ago
@MadHabber93 Which proves my point exactly. The Ontario government PREVENTS me from using MY OWN MONEY for healthcare. If I try to do it, I could go to jail. My options were to wait in line, or face fines or imprisonment. Government healthcare that prohibits me from using my own resources for my own health is immoral.
The fact that everyone talks about "getting in line" and "waiting behind others with more important problems" just shows how far gone we are in this country.
RustyIronloins 2 months ago
@RustyIronloins Actually you CAN use your own money in Ontario, it just won't get you in any faster. Those in need of more urgent surgery will get operated on before you and thank Christ for that. You'd rather have a system where your knee gets operated on first because you can afford to pay for it over someone who needs a bypass. And as I've posted in other video, average posted MRI wait times in Ontario is 32 days for elective MRI's. And the Fraser institute is a BS report.
MadHabber93 2 months ago
I once waiting in a London Ontario hospital ER for 4 hours to get 6 Tylenol 3s for a broken tooth with an exposed root... 4 hours for 6 pills... retarded.
RustyIronloins 2 months ago
@RustyIronloins I was seen, x-rayed, splinted and out the door in 1 hour in London. Ever think you waited 4 hours because there were other people with worse conditions that were seen faster? Its an ER, not a dental surgeon.
MadHabber93 2 months ago
This is the biggest crock of shit I've ever seen. I can go to a walk-in and get treated within 20 minutes. Complete bs. Who goes to a hospital for a sore hand after a skateboarding accident? Muppets.
dompolblanka 2 months ago
@dompolblanka He's right. Check out the most recent Fraser Institute report on the state of healthcare in Canada... we are in a deep pile of sh*t.
Ours is the only system in the world the prohibits private insurance, other than North Korea and Cuba. All other OECD countries--even "socialist" Sweden (and the rest of Scandinavia), France, and the UK--allow private insurance... currently, it is only legal in QB because of the SCC decision in Chaoulli.
RustyIronloins 2 months ago
@RustyIronloins Nothing like some notorious right-wing think tanks to "get the facts straight". Agenda city I'm afraid. Not buying it.
dompolblanka 2 months ago
@dompolblanka You don't buy the facts? That's sad. You'd rather go down with the sinking ship than admit it is sinking? I hope you don't apply you non-scientific worldview to all of your life...
RustyIronloins 2 months ago
They still take care of you and make sure your condition doesn't worsen. It's prioritized bu how much danger your in, and who is in more danger than you.
Fredjoe89 3 months ago
@Fredjoe89 I torn my ACL in Nov 2009... MRI in 8 months... specialist 3 months later... surgical date? 2 years after the injury. In the meantime, I have an extremely unstable knee and cannot play ANY sports... Our healthcare system sucks. And to make matters worse, the government will fine me or imprison me if I try to buy the surgery I need from a doctor who is willing and qualified to do it. If this isn't the perfect example of immorality, I struggle to think of what "immoral" could mean.
RustyIronloins 2 months ago
He had a fucking broken wrist!!!!! thats not important
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Americans are soo easily manipulated HAHAHA good luck USA your really gonna need it with media like this
TheRevolutionCanada 3 months ago
what does wait time have to do with anything? at the end of the day my concern is what is going to happen to my wallet, if i can get free care then whocares how long I wait.
crise1 3 months ago
@thebestsumoeva I don't pay half my income in taxes... And Canada is not as bad in terms of taxes compared to other European countries. Ok... So my neighbors pay for my health and I pay for theirs, and I'll gladly keep doing that until I die at a nice old age after living a healthy life.
ROBLOXIANgordonrox24 4 months ago
At least Van Sustren doesn't believe her own bullsh*t. Hannity is dumber than a Hasselbeck.
blaklodge 4 months ago
I seen the video that that dumbass he went to er with a fake injury and wanted them to take him in right away.
punkerleader 4 months ago
@punkerleader Nope, he wanted to show how long it takes in Canada to get treatment.
007chucknorris007 4 months ago
@007chucknorris007 Nope, he wanted to mislead the viewers by presenting with a b.s. 'sore wrist'. THe nurse told him to wait, so the TRULY hurt people will be seen FIRST. Crowder is a comedian, and a bad one at that. He should stick to that. Well, maybe he should just dig ditches, as his comedic career is probably not making him squat.
MadHabber93 4 months ago
@MadHabber93 Yep, BUT they did show that even the people who were truly hurt (i.e. the guy with a broken clavicle) had to wait 9+ hours.
007chucknorris007 4 months ago
@007chucknorris007 And I had to wait 15 hours in a Dallas ER. The guy beside me, with a broken hand, was waiting even longer. Again a few stories here and there is called anecdotal evidence and means nothing. I've never waited more than maybe 3 hours and all the times I've had to go to an ER in Canada. Immediately seen when presenting with chest pains. You are buying the Crowder koolaide. Think for yourself instead of falling for cherry picked horseshit.
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@MadHabber93 Yep, BUT they did show that even the people who were truly hurt (i.e. the guy with a broken clavicle) had to wait 9+ hours.
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Give politicians power and it certainly will be abused eventually -- if not by today's politicians, then by their successors... The only true allegiance a politician has is to his own re-election
There ain't no ticks like poly-ticks. Bloodsuckers all.
onstageagain 4 months ago
Canadians don't like their health care system...
... until they see how bad the average American has it.
xTheOxx 5 months ago
@xTheOxx False. Canadians have 91% approval rating for their healthcare system.
JackTheRipper8202 4 months ago
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Which comes after the "until" part of my post.
xTheOxx 4 months ago
Of course with the internet you can now see what the Russians are up to with their TV and they are less propogandist than this network.I never thought America would put out this kind of garbage.... shame on you!
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe So reporting the news and empirical evidence that doesn't support people you like is "propogandist"? You have a very strange definition of "propaganda", the only garbage here is the canadian socialized health care system which literally kills people after taxing them half their income for their entire life.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva What are you talking about empirical evidence?These media people have no experience with the Canadian health care sytem but 60.thousand Americans did when they crossed the border in 2008 as they try to do every year to us the system in Ontario. Does it kill people? Explain please.
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe Average wait times of a month, operations which are claimed to be postponable turn into life threatening conditions. Other countries with systems similar to Canada's deny life saving drugs because they claim to be to expensive even if the person is willing to pay out of their own pocket. People come from both countries to get treatment what is your point? In the US people aren't forced to pay into a failed healthcare system with over half their income.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva No they are not. These figures are easy to find.Our magimal tax rates are 2to3% higher than Americans that is all.
tindallpe 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Our mariginal tax rates are 2 to 3% higher than yours.Certain provinces pay less tax than any State.Alberta for one. I was just in New York State and paid 13% on hotels. There is also a lot of unemployment there.I like Americans but we have a better lifestyle and universal coverage is a part of that piece of mind
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe Your marginal tax rate is significantly higher than just 2-3% and your personal tax is much higher. You do have a slightly lower corporate tax so congrats to you. On average Canadians pay 50% of their income to taxes while the highest taxed state in the US pays 30%. We have pretty similar unemployment rates as well so I don't see ur point in speaking about unemployment.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
. There is a hurdle; private insurance companies and the propaganda behind it. The number of acute care hospital beds in Canada is 3.0 per 1000 people as a percentage of the population.In the US its 2.8 per1000. Administration costs are 38% ours is 31% I could go on Our system is more efficient than yours.We pay 10%GDP for health care .You pay16% GDP with incredible limitations. We have 9.9 qualified nurses per 1000 people The US has7.9
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe 50% average tax rate, lets say half of that is your health insurance so you are paying 25% of your income to health insurance. This means 25% of your GDP= health care cost. It is not my fault over half of the money you spend on it never actually ends up in a hospital and instead gets eaten up by bureaucrats and government mishandling of funds. Thanks for cherry picking the very few numbers which make you look slightly better, then again you probably don't understand statistical error.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva You are accusing tindallpe of making up numbers, yet you are still clinging to 50% average tax rate??? And your math is WAY off. Let's break it down. Someone making $60,000/year pays a TOTAL of 20% in federal & provinicial income taxes. In Ontario, $4000 (6.7%) would be provincial taxes. 40% of the Ontario budget goes towards healthcare or $1600. That means 2.7% GDP of someone making $60,000 goes towards healthcare costs. Now spare your CLEAR ignorance of our tax system.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 Did I break it down by income? I said ON AVERAGE which means ON AVERAGE. Of course people in the bottom tax bracket may pay 0% to taxes, but does this mean everyone pays 0%? NO it doesn't, it means people in higher brackets are paying much more to make the AVERAGE right around 50%. Now please understand that even though the bottom tax bracket pays 0% they are still unemployed because anyone who could hire them is paying 90% of their income to taxes already.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva $5900 + $12000 is $17,900 in total tax on $60 grand or 29%. And this assuming they would spend all their money on taxable goods, which they wouldn't. A good proportion of that would be spent on a mortgage or rent, which is not taxed, and savings for retirement. Again, not taxed. It is therefore, much lower than 29%. In other words, YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT OUR TAX SYSTEM.
I've done the math for me, & I make $140,000/year, and I pay a total of 33% INCLUDING property taxes.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 I am also talking OVER ALL taxes, not just federal or social security or provincial, over all means ALL YOUR TAXES added together. It's not my fault you pay taxes on taxes in Canada.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Holy fuck are you clueless. THE AVERAGE salary in both our countries is about $60 grand/year. I have already pointed out that somone making that pays 20% in total income taxes before ANY write offs if single with no kids. 16.7% if married with no kids. 15.5% if married & 2 kids. Add another 3.5% for Social security. That leaves 45800 if you have no kids. Let's say you spend ALL of that money on goods & services and pay 13% tax on that in Onario. That is another $5900 cont'd
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 Holy fuck do you understand I am NOT talking about one tax but all your taxes combined. It's easy to figure out how much you pay on average by looking at how much your country takes in vs. your GDP.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva For taxes on taxes, that is in Quebec, not in the majority of the rest of the province with the exception of gasoline. Not to mention, the same is done in Michigan, and I'm sure other States.
Really, why do you keep making assertions that are clearly incorrect. YOU don't live here and don't pay taxes here. I find it comical that YOU are trying to tell ME how much taxes I pay. Get a grip already.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 You don't live here and yet you keep telling me how we should run our system. This isn't a one way road and open debate is important from both sides. We will obviously have bias towards our own system but ignoring the statements of others doesn't help your situation.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva I don't believe I have 'told you how to run your system'. What I have done is clear up your gross misunderstanding of our system and our taxes. I find it funny that you state about ignoring things, when, after 2 of us have told you that we don't pay 50% in total taxes you still ignored the truth and STILL tried to tell us otherwise. If you don't want our system, that is fine, I'm not saying take it. But don't believe the bullshit from the likes of Hannity & Crowder about ours.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 Then stop believing the shit coming from Moore and biased WHO report which are oddly self serving.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva I've pulled NONE of my numbers from either Moore or the WHO you twit. You pull numbers our of your ass.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
My mother had a tumor on her colan.three weeks for surgery. My uncle was diagnosed with severe arterial blockage two days. My next door neighbor 92 years old received a pacemaker in a week If you want to talk about a failed system the USA is a perfect example. 90 % of Canadians are happy or very satisfied with the system. 36% of US citizens are very satisfied, that is why they are trying to change it to be like ours
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe Once again you are making up numbers. I seriously can't debate you if the amount of numbers you make up keeps growing. Most everyone in the US is happy with their health insurance, I know its much past 50% in nearly ever poll. Perhaps you need to quit reading the activists numbers and look into reality. I've had many friends/family get sick and get great healthcare, what is your point?
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
We pay 15 % more for fuel and high taxes on booze although bars and restaurant prices are the same as the US. Your unemployment rate is 9.6 ours is7.2 It’s irrelivat .My mistake I brought it up Absolutley no care for surgery or medication is denied ,ever, as a result of cost. I live here I know what the wait times are not significanlty higher .it is 2 to 3% in the various margins.The info is easy enough to get.Taxes calculated are on "after Tax" dollars have us paying more..
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe You pay more in taxes, I already knew this. The US and Canada are pretty similar economically. The GDP per cap of the US is about 8,000 more and lower taxes are enjoyed, but the Canadian government isn't running as large of deficits so it's interesting to look into how the economics are playing out.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva On avg., Canadians pay less than 1/3 in total taxes. No where near 50%, unless you make well over 7 figures. The avg. fed. & provincial income tax paid in Canada is about 20%, personal sales & consumer taxes adds about another 5 to 10%, depending on how much you spend. I make $140 grand/year, and calculated out that I pay about 33% in total taxes after getting my income tax refund cheque. Canada also has a much lower corporate tax & unemployment is 7.2%, 2% less than the U.S.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 Don't forget your employer pays half of your social security bill which is another tax on you. Just because you don't directly see it on your pay stub doesn't mean your not paying it. Suppose for a minute they raised this tax, do you honestly believe your pay would not decrease?
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Actually, if you are referring to old age or the canada pension, we do have that come off our cheque. Its visible on our pay cheques. It has a maximum for the year, which we stop paying for once it paid. You have social security come off yours, so they are both awash.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 Your entire social security tax is not visible on your paycheck. They take it out from the employer so you are paying it without realizing it. Yes both of our countries do this so there isn't much point besides your average tax rates are right around 50%.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Again, are average tax rates aren't even CLOSE to 50%. You are delusional. Why is 25 year old from the States trying to tell someone whose been paying tax in Canada for nearly the same amount of years what they are taxed at. Would you like an income tax calculator for proof??
And we don't have social security tax here. Show me the link on that one. Cripe.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 Just Google "taxation of Canada" and you can see exactly what you pay for your health insurance. According to the article people making under 20k/year pay 300/month and people making over 20k/year can pay up to 900/month. In the US the cheapest plan is 48/month and the most expensive I found was 236/month and covered everything. Our most expensive plan is cheaper than your cheapest, I'm sure I can find even better plans for 300/month if I wanted.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Oh my God, google what the average family of four pay for insurance in the U.S. It is 16 Grand, regardles of income. How does a family making 45 grand per year afford those kind of premiums?? Answer, they don't.
And YOU might get insurance for $300/month, you are young with no kids. Wait 20 years and talk to me.
And what does 48/month get you...jack shit in coverage.
We have no co-pays, no deductibles. MOST U.S> plans have high copays & deductibles.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Personally, I have everything in regards to healthcare. If you are so convinced you have it better, keep it Your system couldn’t hold a candle to ours and you won’t be able to for at least ten to 15 years and that is only once you figure out how srewed up yours is. How long do you think that will take HHMMM?oh and thanks for the theencouragement about seeing a specialist No one I know has ever had an issue with proper access to specialists
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe Keep your screwed up system as well. I'll sadly keep laughing when your dogs and cats get better health care than you. Hearing of you speak of your system so highly and then reading about people losing legs because of basic clots exploding after having a surgery post poned 6 months or maternity wards full of patients shutting down due to funding problems I just hope you someday open your eyes.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Here is a repost
Watch " He goes to a clinic on Sunday which is closed. Instead of looking up a clinic which is open on Sundays (many are in Quebec) he goes to the emergency room of the hospital and says "My hand is numb" (exact words) -- no pain, blood, scrape, can't feel it, etc.Sorry.. but the rest of us Canadians know how to use the yellow pages, Google, or ask for a list of open walk in clinics -- or pharmacy with a nurse. " Again this report is propoganda.
BW022
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe Go to a clinic in the US on Sunday with only a hurt hand and you get treatment that day. The US leads the world in cancer recovery rates, new drug development, and average wait times for service. BTW if you need to see a specialist in Canada good luck to you...
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebest I've had to go to a walk in clinic on a Sunday, was seen in an hour. It is CLEAR you drink the koolaide coming from the far American right about our system. In addition, based on 2010 cancer rates, Canada's 5 year survival rates are virtually identical. Not to mention a British Medical Journal study showing that 2 MILLION Americans forgo cancer treatment due to cost. How long do they wait?
I've needed numerous specialists that I waited a few weeks for. Immediately when it was urgent
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 I've also read studies where they found the numbers of beds and doctors was decreasing over time while the number of administrators were increasing. They've even closed down maternity wards that were full of patients 24/7 due to lack of funding. Why are people in Britain ripping their own teeth out because their dental appointment is scheduled 7 months later?
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva We are covered. You are not. Our system of healthcare delivery is superior to yours. Over 50% of bankruptcies in the US are due to trying to pay for healthcare .We have zero.One 6/th your population has NO coverage.Here everyone is covered.You have deductibles caps and denials for service .We have exactly zero of that activity. You are spending 16% of your GDP on healthcare.We are spending 10%. You are so far behind us you don’t even know you are in the race.
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe You claim we spend 16% of GDP and you spend 10%, but when I read your taxation I see you pay 300/month if you make under 20k/year and up to 900/month if you make more than 20k/year not to mention you have add prescription plans ontop of that. The most expensive plan I could find here was 236/month and covered everything we 0 deductible. THe only difference is I can choose not to buy it if I don't want to. 1/6 of our population is between 18-25 and doesn't want health insurance.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Your numbers are soo far off. Quit wasting my time. What you don't even consider is those numbers don't even TOUCH the coverage we get. I've researched it, right from U.S. insurance websites. I checked for someone like me, 42 with 2 kids. The best I could find in the state of Michigan was a $1000 deductible, with 20% copays on all bills and doctor visits. It was over $800/month. So, a $100,000 hospital bill would cost $20 grand. Nice.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva That is not what happens here. 40 thousand people per year die in the US as a result of having no coverage at all.We are way more efficient as I have been trying to tell you. We as Canadians are right on your border.There has been massive criticism of our system by certain interest groups within the US.mainly private insurance companies. NO Canadian would trade your system for ours .Many millions of your people WOULD trade your system for ours
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe 100,000 Canadians die per year as a result of waiting for surgeries deamed not important. Countless others who have to choose between buying food or paying 300/month for health care are told to buy health care and starve to death. Many Canadians that have gone to your hospitals and seen first hand just how incompetent they are would trade your system for anything. I'm happy you enjoy your system, I just hope you never have to use it for your own sake.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva WHere the FUCK did you pull the 100,000 number from? Are you seriously that fucking stupid??? SHow me the study you dumb fuck. If not, go fuck yourself with your ignorant dumbass postings.
There isn't ONE study showing ANY, let alone that dumb number you pulled from your ass, that Canadians die waiting for care. What little credibility you have is now gone. Move on dipshit.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 Fuck off, you stupid irresponsible fucking prick. You never quoted where your number came from so you have absolutely no fucking credibility pal. Don't go an babbling like your so high and mighty you dumb ape fucker. Millions of Canadians hate your system because they have had to use it and realized it sucks, so fuck off.
thebestsumoeva 4 months ago
@thebestsumoeva SOmeone making $60,000 grand/year in Ontario pays $4000/year in provincial taxes. 40% of provincial taxes goes towards our system, or $1600/year or $133/month. And that covers 100% of doctor visits with no copays, no deductibles, no caps and we can NEVER be dropped or denied coverage. Your system CAN"T FUCKING touch that. Now go crawl back underneath your hillbilly rock you IGNORANT FUCK!!
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 Wrong, you are taxed 300-900 dollars per month directly for your health insurance. Just Google Taxation of Canada and find the "health and prescription insurance tax", btw this tax doesn't cover your entire system so you are paying a minimum of $300/month for shitty health care that you can't actually use because the average wait times are a month for basic visits.
thebestsumoeva 4 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Basic visits? The vast majority of us get basic visits with our GP the same day. If they happen to be busy we can go to ANY walk in clinic and see a GP in, at most, an hour.
For your 'health & Perscription tax" that is in only Ontario and is PER YEAR. Like I told you a month ago, but you seem to just ignore, I know this BECAUSE I LIVE IN ONTARIO YOU STUPID FUCK!
Now, here is a income tax calculator that PROVES what we pay DUMBASS.
walterharder. ca/T1. asp Note the spacing
MadHabber93 4 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Basic visits? The vast majority of us get basic visits with our GP the same day. If they happen to be busy we can go to ANY walk in clinic and see a GP in, at most, an hour.
For your 'health & Perscription tax" that is in only Ontario and is PER YEAR. Like I told you a month ago, but you seem to just ignore, I know this BECAUSE I LIVE IN ONTARIO YOU STUPID FUCK!
Now, here is a income tax calculator that PROVES what we pay DUMBASS.
walterharderDOTca/T1DOTasp
MadHabber93 4 months ago
@thebsts What in the hell are you talking about $300.00 per month As payroll tax I'll assume Income tax. Has that not just explained to you in minute detail? Our marginal tax rates are nearly identical 2to3% more in Canada.There are NO I repeat No out of pocket costs for doctors or hospitalization visits or insurance. Healthcare costs in the US are 16% to GDP ours is 10% published anywhere you chose to look.I just realized you are trolling.Keep your shit healthcare. The whole world knows but you
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe Your "Health and Prescription Insurance Tax" is $300/month for people under $20k/year and up to $900/month for people over $20k/year. This is taken separately from your other taxes hence why it is so easy to see how much you are spending on your healthcare. Your health system also receives money from your other taxes, but this one at least gives you an idea of how much your spending and let me tell you $300/month at the minimum is ridiculous.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva WHere do you get your horseshit info from. There is no such thing called a Health & Prescription Insurance Tax, as drugs aren't covered in our system for one. And I've already shown the someone making 20 grand/year pays $16/month for FULL health insurance. Someone making 60k/year pays about $170/month through taxes. You a FUCKING IDIOT. Our health system only takes the money from provinical taxes as I've pointed out. Stop speaking of something you CLearly know nothing about
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva In addition, which I've linked, the average family now pays almost $20k/year on healthcare costs EVERY year. Not to mention, ALL Canadians are waiting a little bit for those elective procedures while MILLIONS of AMericans are simply not in line because THEY CAN'T AFFORD the insurance or the operations. Nice system. Time to wake up little boy.
Your taxes are only slightly lower than ours, yet doesn't give you ANY COVERAGE. Twit.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Now I figured out where you are getting the Health and Insurance Tax info from. That is for Ontario and that is $300/YEAR not per month you fucking idiot. And its not $900 for those over 20k dipshit. I make $140k/year and I pay about $600/year which is incorporated right into the income tax rate that comes off my pay check which I have included in every calculation I've shown you. SOmeone making under 20K doesn't pay ANY extra. What's your next dumbass claim?
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Satisfaction rates for health care are way higher in Canada that's my point.
There is no comparison in that regard.90% in Canada you say 50% in the US. Then you say taxes are lost in the bureaucracy in Canada. Our administration costs are 31% yours are 38% for healthcareThe money for trusts in the US have been “Borrowed out” or stolen and are now not capable of funding medicare down there.That is abuse
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe I said they are greater than 50% in the US, I don't like to make up numbers so I was being safe when stating that, its easily in the high 80/ low 90 range. At any rate I'd wager 90% of your citizens haven't even used your system and don't quite understand the horrors of it.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva You don't like to make up numbers?? Bwah hahahahahahahahaha
Everything you post is made up. Back up anyone of your claims with sources you fucking LIAR!!!
Especially the 100,000 dead Canadians every year. That's beyond comical.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 Please back up your numbers as well. As long as we're making up bs can we at least have the government buy magical ponies for us? Google "Taxation of Canada" and then search for "health and prescription insurance tax", this is where you can find that you pay a minimum of $300/month for your health insurance per person all the way up to $900/month.
thebestsumoeva 4 months ago
@thebestsumoeva I've been through most states and talked to many Americans about this issue.When I tell them the way our sytem works and I admit issues they can't believe it.I here nothing but screams of complaints about your system;that is why they are trying to change it.You knew we paid more in taxes but you thought it was more than 2to 3% in marginal tax rates so you pay 30% and we pay 50% you say.You are incorrect
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe You pay at least 300/month for your health care, we pay at the most 236/monthy if we want a top notch plan, but you can pay more if you want to. The cheapest plan was 48/month so I'm fairly sure what people were lured in by was you claimed your system is free which is complete and utter nonsense. Anyone likes free things, the sad part is that it isn't free and in fact you are paying much more than we are although you continue to believe the lie that it is free.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva You've read studies?? THen post them.
Doctors numbers of been increasing at about 8% annual, faster than our population.
We've never closed down maternity wards. In fact, in my city of London, ON., we just opened a state of the art, 75 bed maternity ward. Guess how much my wife's 2 c-sections cost, along with her stay? ZERO, NOTTA, zilch. Oh wait, parking. $8/day. We took out a loan for that one.
You are GROSSLY misinformed.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 Take your age and multiply it by 3600 and that is what you have paid at the minimum for your wifes C-section. Now take all the millions of people that didn't use their health insurance and you get a gigantic number which you were fortunate enough to receive so your wife could have a c-section. Open your mind and start thinking, you might realize you've been scammed.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Here's a newsflash, my wife's C section wouldn't have cost that much here if paying cash. Our billings are WAY less than yours. Of course I know that, BECAUSE I FUCKING LIVE HERE>
Why don't you tell me what you make a year, and we'll do some real math, not pull numbers out of our ass math.
The only one scammed here is your population. Twit.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 Your on site cash payments for your wife's C-sections were cheap, but you have lived your entire working life paying almost half your income just so she could have that C-section. I just graduated college and only make $48k/year in to years it'll get a little better and I'll make $59k/year, then in another 2 years I'll be at $85k/year. Now what do you make and what is the point for asking?
thebestsumoeva 4 months ago
@thebestsumoeva I made $140 grand last year and paid 33% in income taxes. After tax write offs I paid 25%. Why you come back a month later to talk about something YOU KNOW FUCK ALL about is very telling. I've concluded you have a degree in mental retardation. Good for you. I didn't think someone who is mentally handicapped can type. Your parents must be proud. Now tuck your dumb ass tail between your legs and go to bed retard boy.
MadHabber93 4 months ago
@MadHabber93 Congrats, I'm 22 years old and just graduated college with a BS in Physics. Calling someone "retarded" while slobbering on your self and holding your nose in the air doesn't add anything to your argument. What exactly do you do anyways?
thebestsumoeva 4 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Hey, I'm not trying to talk down to you based on age nor degree. If you actually do have that degree, then that's great, I commend you on it. Physics was my weakest science subject. However, I'm calling you retarded because you keep believing that we pay up 900 per month when we don't. The fact you keep holding on to that premise IS retarded. Now I've presented CLEAR evidence that we don't so just give it up already.
I work in the Pharma industry.
MadHabber93 4 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Argument from authority. Logical fallacies don't make you right. Are you trying to argue against personal testimony and actual facts? Get off your high horse and actually learn a thing or two about the world. Then you don't have to look like such an idiot on places like youtube, a site the whole world uses. Right now, with the intelligence you're showing, any of claims you make don't seem very credible.
urantivirus 3 months ago
@MadHabber93 So your 5 year survival rates are similar? Gee I wonder why they'd pick the 1 group of survivor rates that makes you identical. 2 million Americans do not forgo cancer treatments, that is complete bs. I've known people without insurance get cancer treatment before. If I drink the koolaide from Fox News then you must be drowning in the koolaide spouted off from government funded research which will never find anything wrong with it self.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva I suggest you research my claim before calling B.S.
"One in six patients in the United States with cancer skips some of their continuing health care because of cost, concludes a new study. The authors conclude that more than two million of about 12 million Americans with a history of cancer “did not get needed medical services because of financial concerns.”
BMJ 2010; 340:c3312 doi: 10.1136/bmj.c3312 (Published 21 June 2010)
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 You get your information from the British Medical Journal? You do know if they ever proved a free market system works they'd all be out of business? Not to mention the UHS is eating Britain alive with their huge cost and fuzzy math for reporting cost. The people over there are pulling their own teeth out because their dental appointments are scheduled over a year out. I can make up propaganda just like BMJ, but it doesn't make me right.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva FUzzy math?? Coming from you I find that comical. GIve it up already. You are a fool.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva For 5 year survival rates, I was counting ALL cancers combined. I get the information right from the both countries Cancer care websites. I'll post them if you want.
5 year survival for all cancers, both men&women in Canada is 62%, and 64% in the U.S. As someone with a science degree, is NOT statisically significant. Not to mention, NO ONE goes bankrupt to get cancer treatment here, nor has to forgo NEEDED treatment due to cost.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 What area of science is your degree in, I have a BS in Physics if you'd like to talk about science. As I've said you guys pay a minimum of $300/month for your health insurance which you have to add another plan for prescription drugs. That is simply a ridiculous price considering you are all forced to pay it. The only difference is that you have to pay this price and we can choose not to. Perhaps you prefer monopolies to freedom, but I do not.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva I have a MS in Biochemistry. You obviously don't know MATH. I've clearly shown you that we DO NOT just pay $300/month. Just like I proved we don't pay 50% in taxes, yet YOU still want to tell ME how much I pay. Get over yourself already. YOU ARE WRONG!! PERIOD!!
And we have WAY more freedom in our system than yours. I know this BECUASE I FUCKING LIVE HERE
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 I have a BS in Physics so I might know a little bit of math as well. Perhaps in Biochemistry you skipped tensor/vector analysis and differential equations, but I did not. AT any rate all you have to do is Google "Taxation of Canada" then search the article for "Health and Prescription Insurance Tax", this is a tax specifically taken out just for health insurance and it ranges from $300-900/month. This alone makes your healthcare more costly.
thebestsumoeva 4 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Oh my GOD YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT. ITS PER YEAR!!! NOW FUCK OFF ALREADY YOU DUMB FUCK!!!
MadHabber93 4 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Taken right from what you cite:
"The Ontario Health Premium is an additional amount charged on an individual's income tax that ranges from $300 for people with $20,000 of taxable income to $900 for high income earners."
NOWHERE does it say per month. BUt when you look at the Ontario website, you see what the actual per month charges are: $0 to $75/month THAT IS IT. PERIOD.
wwwDOTrevDOTgovDOTonDOTca/en/tax/healthpremium/ratesDOThtml
Now screw off already.
MadHabber93 4 months ago
@thebestsum Here is the quote directly from what you cite: "The Ontario Health Premium is an additional amount charged on an individual's income tax that ranges from $300 for people with $20,000 of taxable income to $900 for high income earners." NOWHERE does it say per month. When you look at the Ontario website the actual monthly tax ranges from $0 to $75. THAT IS IT. Read it & weep.
ww w. rev. gov. on. ca/en/tax/healthpremium/rates. html
Now screw off already & stop embarrassing yourself.
MadHabber93 4 months ago
@thebestsumoeva This from an American Mass. wouldn't have had as many problems if EVERY state had single payer, and the insurance co./middlemen were removed nationwide. Hey, got a couple of bills here from taking my kid to the ER when she bonked her head. X-ray & EKG (EKG...why?) About 10 min of Dr. time. Radiologic = 35.00, ER exam = 753.00, ER visit = 1701.07. Not worth filing on health insurance...2000.00 deductable, then they pay 80%. Turned out nothing was wrong with her, just a small cut
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe If you don't have health insurance it does get expensive, but according to Wikipedia if you make below 20k/year you are paying 300/month for health insurance while oe of the most expensive plans in the US is 236/month. The only difference is that you have longer wait times and we have a choice not to pay for health insurance if we choose not to get it.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
In the US over 50% of personal bankrupcy is the result of having to PAY for health care.The average deductable is over $ 2000.00.In other words you pay for everything out of pocket unless it is serious at which time even the best insurance will cut you off . What kind of moron would attempt to defend a system like that. Fox news again. Just a bunch of lying retarted assholes. PS.They went to the US supreme court to demand the right to knowingly lie and they won
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe You aren't paying for your healthcare? Geez I thought you paid 50% of your income for roads and bridges. Where in the hell do you get the average deductible is $2000, that's a blatant lie. Deductibles on a $50/month health insurance plan are $2000 which is the cheapest plan. In Canada you don't get to choose what plan you get, the government takes your money and controls quality and quantity. Got a complaint, join the others in the corner.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva The gov't does not control the quality or quantity of healthcare. And why would we want another plan, we have NO deductibles, NO co-pays, NO caps. NOTHING. No insurance in the States can touch the coverage we get. PERIOD.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 I have insurance that has no deductibles or caps or anything and it cost around $190/month. You easily pay more than that in taxes and I'd argue your quality of service is lower. The only difference is you are forced into your system no matter whether you like it or not. You have to pay double if you want private coverage so you have a 2 tiered system in which the majority of people can not even try and get quality coverage.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva You can argue that the quality of service is lower here, yet ACTUAL stats show otherwise.
And we are not forced into our system. We can opt out of using our insurance card and pay cash if we want.
I always find it comical that an American, whose probably never been to Canada let alone a Canadian hospital, tell us what the quality of our healthcare is like.
Really dude, get over yourself already.
And the average insurance for a family of 4 is $16 grand in the U.S.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 Well I find it just as amusing that a bunch of Canadians enjoy telling ME my healthcare sucks because they watched that "documentary" by that fatass Moore...
TheCatsLastWord 5 months ago
@TheCatsLastWord Did I make the claim that your healthcare sucks?? THought not. Your system leaves millions behind, but the actual care you receive is very good. BIG difference.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@TheCatsLastWord and you are getting huge media feed about how "SOCIALIST systems don't work.They use that word and it's working. When in reality it's called UNIVERSAL COVERAGE which is cheaper and better and 'THE PEOPLE don't get fucked by insurance companies
tindallpe 5 months ago
@TheCatsLastWord I personally haven’t seen Michael Moores doc.Weird I know. What you are seeing from Canadians is our response to American versions and attacks on OUR healthcare system because the US is trying to bring in improvements ,eliminating private insurance companies,
tindallpe 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 What ACTUAL stats are you looking at? Activists websites that claim we should all live in caves? When you read a paper make sure to note where they got their information, then note how their data was collected. Supposedly the WHO reports Cubans have better healthcare, but anyone with half a brain or that lives there will tell you half their hospitals lack basic necessary drugs and are filled with dead cock roaches. The WHO only goes by what the Cuban Government says, not reality.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva I don't get my info from 'newspapers' or the WHO. I get them from peer reviewed, researched STUDIES. I suggest you do the same.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 Peer reviewed research studies performed by the...you guessed it, the WHO. I've done peer reviewed meta materials research in physics and boy can I tell you just how much science really isn't that scientific. Peer reviewed = scientist only publishing bs that supports their views. Don't get me wrong, it's not all bad but at the end of the day we are all humans and we can and will fudge numbers to support our selves.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
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MadHabber93 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Oh, I was wrong, its not $16 grand.....its almost $20 grand.
"American families who are insured through their jobs average health care costs of $19,393 this year, up 7.3%, or $1,319 from last year, according to independent actuarial and health care consulting firm Milliman Inc."
moneyDOTcnnDOTcom/2011/05/11/news/economy/healthcare_costs_family/index.htm
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@thebes And boy you sure "Fudged" a few numbers there ya halfwit.90% approval of our healthecare in Canada .Say whatever you want.We have it. You don't .That is why you are trying to change yours to be like ours.Problem is you have this propaganda drool comming out of your media on behalf of private insurance companiesHannity is the catylist. 40 thousand Americans die every yearbecause they can't see a doctor.Do you think any American children died today because you wont let them see a doctor?
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe How many Canadians die per year due to wait lists for surgeries considered optional? Trust me, it happens a lot more than you think. It's like the FDA in the US, I guarantee the FDA has killed many more people than it has saved, by delaying the introduction of new medications/treatments it is literally killing people which need treatment now. I'm sure if given the choice between death and an experimental drug, they'd most likely choose experimental drug.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva ANd to answer your question on how many Canadians die waiting for optional surgery. NONE. There are no studies showing any die. As there are no wait times for urgent, life saving surgery here. Yet you make a claim you can't back up. WHile 45,000 AMericans die every year due to lack of access to healthcare due to cost. According to a study from the NUMBER ONE ranked University in the U.S., Harvard. Heard of them? Until you can back up any of your dumbass claims, FUCK OFF!
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 I'm not making a claim, just Google Canadian surgery wait times and you can find forums dedicated to people waiting for surgeries. An article from the ministry of health claim many have died, but they were smokers so who cares anyways, it's their fault they got cancer.
Your anger and ignorance are kind of laughable, the fact you have to resort to mind numbing cussing shows just how pathetic you are. For your sake I hope you never get cancer so your world isn't rocked.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva You have got to be one of the dumbest fucks I've ever come across on youtube. We have 'some' wait times for NON-urgent surgery as our system serves EVERYONE. When you take MILLIONS out of the line, like your system, wait times will be less but not FREE you FUCKING IDIOT!!!
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@theba Why don't you just summarize your position.We have a very good working system for the delivery of health care.You do not.The propaganda about rediculous tax rates in Canada is irrevokable horseshit.Our financing is built into the system.We have wolrd class systems that can always be improved.Your country is not there.You will have record of how your private ins.industry has used media to block reform. The US has great things to offer but private insurance is a blight on your reputation
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe My position is your system is the worst kind of monopoly. It is nearly completely out of your control and you are forced to pay into no matter what. Doctors don't work for you, they work for the government and it shows in their lack of actually caring about you. You pay a minimum of $300/month for what I'd consider sub par service to which you have no choice as to who you see etc. Your government has used media to maintain it's powerhouse all with your money.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva it sounds like you work for private insurance because as was just pointed out to you via madhabbers explanation the three hundred dollars is a YEARLY tax not monthly that was specifically brought in by the province 6years ago.We dont pay monthly taxes for medicine other than that. You are DEAD wrong about Doctors pal. They work for us and only bill the government insurance I can change Drs any day .Use a walk in Clinic seen the SAME DAY.You have no clue what your talking about
tindallpe 5 months ago
@thebestsu Just saw an article today about a woman in Oregon that has bone cancer.Apparently she is in even more trouble because she is only allowed three garage sales a year because of bylaw restrictions ; that is how she was trying to pay for her treatment. Her name is Jan Cline. What a pathetic joke and there are people defending that system.Shame on you.As is common knowledge under any factsheet You pay nearly double what we do in your system16% of GDP to our 10%. Your numbers areBullshit
tindallpe 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 Unless you can opt out of paying taxes then you can't opt out of your system. I always find it comical you throw around the lie that your system is free when in reality it cost you 300/month at the minimum and up to 900/month when the cheapest plan in the US is 48/month and 236/month for a top tier plan. The average insurance for a family of four is not 16k, that is a blatant lie and you probably know it. Stop spreading around propaganda bs, we aren't as stupid as you.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva I've put up the numbers you FUCKING IDIOT. For the average Canadian in Ontario making $60 grand/year its $133/month. Someone making $20 grand, they would pay a TOTAL of $491 in provincial income taxes for a YEAR. 40% of that is $196 or $16/month. Keep posting horseshit sunshine, I'll bury you with facts.
Fact, average insurance rate for a family of four is over $16 grand/year. Look it up asshole!!!
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 I've already pointed you to the fact that they have a dedicated tax just for your health care called "Health and Prescription Insurance Tax" which is #300/month for incomes below $20k/year and up to $900/month on top of which you have to add your own prescription insurance plan. You are looking at one tax and claiming you only pay that, that's like me claiming I only pay 8% of my income to taxes because we have an 8% income tax. Your ignorance is quite stunning.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva I've already pointed out, quite clearly, that its 300 per YEAR not per month. You pulled your info from Wiki, but know where in there does it say per month. And I know its per year, AS I FUCKING LIVE HERE AND PAY THAT TAX. You telling me, a dumb ignorant Yankee who probably couldn't find Canada on a map, is a JOKE. Its beyond stunning to me that you keep posting horseshit. Tell ya what, go buy the biggest cucumber, stick it up your ass, then you won't pull numbers out of it.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva I can see Madhabbers frustation Any additional tax to the $300 per year to a max of $600.00 pre YEAR to the maximum income earners is at retail. There are NO dedutions whatsoever.NO deductions Whatsoever.So you either don't understand the postings or you are lying. You know ,we have an 85% approval rating for our system.We aren't limited in our understanding of the system.We are fine you are not fine with what happens down there,in fact it's a disgrace
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe We have a 90% approval rating so suck it, and btw I'm drunk and I'm still smarter than you!! BUAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm a fucking physicists!
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Ok .So you are drunk and you are smarter than me.Is that what this is about?Your approval rating is dismal .Across the population it is less than 50% "I approve "without changes If you are a "physicists" you would be better off focusing on your profession and and stay the hell out of taxation in Canada because you have no clue what you are talking about Einstein
tindallpe 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 You can opt out of using your insurance card, but can you opt out of paying taxes for it? It's only optional if you can opt out of paying for it. You'd have to be insane to opt out of receiving benefits from something you have to pay for by law.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
Also, he said most Canadians don't like the system.... Surreeeeee, which is why we voted Tommy Douglas, the man who made the system, the greatest Canadian ever.
ROBLOXIANgordonrox24 6 months ago
@ROBLOXIANgordonrox24 I don't recall ever saying most Canadians don't like it. If anything I'd say a lot of Canadians are upset when they go to the doctor and can't get good service even though they've paid outrageous taxes their whole life.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva Canadians don't pay outrageous taxes compared to other countries. We do quite well compared to places like Germany or France. I've also been to various private clinics, and I've never paid a dime. Not sure which clinics you go to...
ROBLOXIANgordonrox24 5 months ago
@ROBLOXIANgordonrox24 300/month is the cheapest your insurance is so take your age and multiply it by 3600 and that is how much you paid into your system at the minimum. Congrats for being fooled by politicians that just want to buy your votes.
BTW I've gone to many clinics and have never had any problems getting service. Not so sure you can say the same about yours.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago
@thebestsumoeva I don't personally have insurance.... Government pays all my health care, and then my drugs are paid for by my employer through drug benefits. I've never paid a dime for healthcare in my life, except for the part of my taxes that go towards it...
ROBLOXIANgordonrox24 5 months ago
@ROBLOXIANgordonrox24 You can't claim you haven't paid a dime when almost half your income goes towards taxes. Thats quite a bit of money if you ask me. At any rate you caught your logical fallacy at the end of your reply so I'll give you some credit. BTW the government is not a person with a job, it can not pay for stuff without stealing it from others so instead of saying the government paid for it you need to say your neighbors or you indirectly paid for it.
thebestsumoeva 4 months ago
He didn't go to the private clinics. But the private clinics are paid for by tax dollars through the socialized system...
ROBLOXIANgordonrox24 6 months ago
@ROBLOXIANgordonrox24 The private clinics are privately funded at the door, they may receive funding outside private funds but they are not totally publicly funded.
thebestsumoeva 5 months ago