America founded on Christian values? NO DOUBT!

[tmywil1]

America wasn't founded on christian values.. These nutjobs just was to shove their religion down peoples throats..

[Jonathanedward2010]

I don't care what sort of mythology those dudes believed in. In this day and age, it's way past time to ditch such superstitious rubbish. Those fellas also had slaves and treated the common cold with leeches and "blood letting". The future of the U.S. , and the world, will be a positive one as long as humans let go of religion and it's superstitious dogmas.....Matthew 27:52-53....really?...really?.­...absolutely not.... Grow up.

[TheLivirus]

George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were all strongly sympathizing the Enlightment movement, which should be very clear if you take your time comparing the values promoted by the movement and the values embraced by the 'Declaration of Indepencence' and the 'Bill of Rights'.

But if you want to continue digging through historical documents in vain, I won't stop you. Although please keep in mind that our understanding should be shaped around reality, not the other way around.

[nsdtr01]

christian values- slavery and slaughter of the native american?

[lebeaubastion]

You might want to educate yourself on the Treaty of Tripoli.

[twistedfocus100]

We have more pagan influences than Christian in our founding documents..... The point of this country was to get out from under the thumb of the Christian wackos..

[HumbleVoice]

@twistedfocus100 No evidence of pagan influence at all in the beginning documents of this country. You're right about a major point of this country. Because of oppression the founders wanted to worship GOD freely and incorperated him into their everyday lives. They felt strongly about the importance of that foundation for this country.

[twistedfocus100]

@HumbleVoice I'm not pagan my self but I can see it more than Christian. Within Amendment XX, you will find the word "January" which comes from the Latin Janus which refers to our God Janus, the Roman god of doors and gateways. The Constitution also uses words like "Senate," "Justice," "Liberty" which describe Greek and Roman concepts, all of them Pagan to the very core, not to mention that our very concept of democracy came from the Pagan Greeks. I could show you more...

[HumbleVoice]

@twistedfocus100 Our english alphabet was derived from a modern form of the Latin alphabet, which derives it from the ancient Romans, who based theirs on that of the ancient Greeks. I guess you could dissect it down to the letter if you wanted. Still doesn't negate the fact that Christian values were instilled into this country from the beginning. You miss the point of the vedio.

[twistedfocus100]

non the less. more evidence than Christians have.... Also its using the Christians logic... So where does the Constitution say Christian or anything about the God of the christian bible?

[HumbleVoice]

@twistedfocus100 Christian logic?...just facts. Christian values and beliefs were part of common law back then...just part of everyday life for most. Not so much so today. No, God is not mentioned in the Constitution. Neither is He mentioned in the deed to my property, but His values and beliefs are instilled here. You MISSED the point.

[twistedfocus100]

@HumbleVoice "For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law. . . This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century...

[twistedfocus100]

But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it."

[twistedfocus100]

@HumbleVoice But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it." Thomas Jefferson

[HumbleVoice]

@twistedfocus100 Not worthy of comment. You missed the point. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[twistedfocus100]

Guess you need to research your " Common law..." Jefferson has some good insight as to why it was not common law... But what does he know....

[adler2adler]

Secularism protects the state from being corrupted by the churches and protects the churches from being corrupted by the state.

[nsdtr01]

and if the native population does not like or accept christianity - kill them?

[seekertrth]

James Madison,Father of the Constitution,Bill of Rights,,Founding Father;"The number, the industry and the morality of the priesthood& the devotion of the people have been manifesrtly increased by THE TOTAL SEPARTATION OF THE CHURCH FROM THE STATE."

Feb,1811,vetoed a bill to give Church funding for schools,etc b/c it violated the 1st amendment,Congress agreed. March,'11, vetoed giving a church governmt land,same reason. Congress debated,+ agreed.

[HumbleVoice]

@MarioSMB3 I guess this country just rose out of the ocean in "1787". You're missing the point of the vid.

[frostedflake25]

@HumbleVoice The point is that what determined the founding of the Virginia colony or Columbus to travel across the Atlantic doesn't equate with the framing of the Constitution. The quotes in the video that aren't non sequitur to the Constitution are people's opinions on the greatness of Christianity. The Founding Fathers thought Jesus was great (they also admired Mohammed & Confucius, but that's another can of worms). However, these things are NOT good reasons for a right-wing theocracy.

[Imhornydadcomeinside]

Nope, america was founded as a secular nation, sorry, just because the population and lawmakers are christian doesn't make the state automaticly christian.

I know it's hard for you to understand, you want america to be christian, sorry, atheists, muslims and buddhists are here to stay, we were meant to stay. :)

[NeroJoe83]

This is a huge logical fail. The Representative Democracy was invented by the Romans, does that mean America is founded on PAGAN principles? Just because America was founded by Christians, it doesn't mean it was founded on "Christian Principles."

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...except for slavery. There was plenty of slavery in early America, just like the in Bible!

[WILLTHEWGMAN]

Answer this, anyone.?..Evolution does not teach us that all men are created equal, as a matter of fact, natural selection teaches us otherwise... Without the notion that ALL MEN BY GOD ARE CREATED EQUAL where and how are your rights protected beyond a piece of paper wrote by mere men? If these rights are only assumed by mere men, cannot men take them away? Give me a logical argument as to why mankind is born to be and has the right be free without the notion of a creator granting these rights?

[xxxxkimoxxxx]

@WILLTHEWGMAN You obviously do not know the first thing about evolution. Yes rights are given to us by men and can equally be taken away. Look at the Holocaust, did the jews have god given rights to be treated equally? You would say yes, yet why didn't your god defend the rights he gave them? It doesn't matter if your magic sky god did give us rights because hes not here to enforce those rights. You have a useless god.

[Heretikus]

this video is total and utter FAIL HumbleVoice you seem 2 exalt your conclusion & then find facts 2 support it. Reality: this country was founded yes with a majority of people who were Christians but PURPOSELY with exclusions that that prohibit congress from making a law respecting religion. You twist the Mayflower compact as proof that the US was founded on Christianity but that was before the US was founded. Also the Treaty of Tripoli was VERY explicit stating that the US was NOT christian!

[iversonmatthew]

Our nation was founded on the separation of church and state. Not everybody here is christian, some do not believe in religion all together. To try and force a religion into government is wrong. Governments role is not to be in the business of fantasy and make believe.

Where I agree with this video is that religious figures have been trying to force their views into our government for centuries. It is wrong and I find it extremely offensive.

[magicmanofsteel2000]

hey i'm sorry to see so people have put up nasty and hateful comments, i for one would like to say thank you for the video, i enjoyed it, its definitely some food for thought.

[FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7]

i love how ppl cherry pick things the founders thought and wrote that they think proves we are a christian nation, and ignore the constituion. no gods are mentioned.

[Imaginefree69]

Anybody who is not a member of your religion

has no reason to take any notice whatsoever

of what is written in a Bronze-Age book of myth.

Aside from the unicorns and talking snakes and donkeys

and the requirement to practice ritualized cannibalism

we see that your god commanded his people

to rip little girls from the bloody arms of their dead mothers

and take them home to share them with YHVH's priests.

This is the book you are basing your morality on?

How obscene.

[berner]

If the U.S. was supposedly founded on Christian principles (which it's not) and is not a secular nation (which it is), then why aren't the laws based around the ten commandments, or even worded as such?

Theists: The only significance you have in the USA is that there's a lot of you, and that's where it ends. Stop trying to limit other peoples' freedoms (proposition 8) or committing acts of treason (house resolution 888) with your blasphemy towards your own history.

[titans797979]

!st line of the 1st Constitution "of our Lord...",  . In the Consititution " our creator" "God" 1st national Seal was of Moses. The USA was founded on Christianity but not enforced to all.

[brt929]

Perhaps you need to go back to school; because you are completely wrong.

Otherwise you are quite mistaken. Not only does the Constitution not mention God, either does the Articles of Confederation.

This country was NOT founded on Christianity, it was founded on the right to practice the religion of your choice.

The only place "Creator" is mentioned is the Declaration of Independence. That has nothing to do with the formation of this country.

[ProudHumanist]

And what SPECIFICALLY are those "Christian values" that are not found in other non-Christian countries????????

Please somebody name them.

[brt929]

Smug superiority.

[xfvkemosx]

i always thought the united states was founded on the ideas of the european enlightenment which is drown off of greco-roman humanism...

[deltapunk21]

Atheistis ignore a mountian of evidence for a inserted post passing "clause" in a treaty that says "Praise be to God" several times by a rabid atheist perv named Joel Barlow which the Congress after finding out this example of Orweillian disinformation REMOVED THE LANGUAGE during the renegoitiation.

[ProudHumanist]

Most "pervs", as you say are linked to Christianity........priests, pastors, former alter boys. youth ministers.

[williamstlj530]

Yeah, I would trust an Atheist more than a Christian. Are you stupid?

[brt929]

You ignore Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation.......

You also ignore the findings of the Supreme Court.

[ACOLLEGECONSERVATIVE]

@brt929 Read the more information. Article 11 was removed.

[Odyssey54]

If the US is and was founded as a christian nation then why is abortion perfectly legal here?

[CB563]

The US Constitution (Ratified 1789) and the Articles of Confederation (Ratified 1781), which are/were the ultimate law of the United States do NOT mention god. AT ALL. NOT EVEN ONCE between BOTH of them. The only other documents that can bind the US Government are treaties signed after the current government was founded, of which the Treaty of Tripoli is an example:

"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."

[rollingthunder1982]

Two lies here--the Constitution DOES mention God (read it to the end), and the Treaty of Tripoli quote was put in by a diplomat WITHOUT permission, and you neglect to mention the phrase was removed in 1805 when the treaty was revised.

[ProudHumanist]

The US Constitution DOES NOT mention God, Jesus, Christian, etc.

Go any online Constitution site and hit Ctrl F to do a word search.

Believing God is in there does not work!!

[williamstlj530]

It also does not say "Separation of Church and State".

[brt929]

God is never mentioned in the Constitution. You claim it is there, where? Post where.

Without permission? Do you need to go back to school? All treaties are subject to ratification by the Senate. This treaty was ratified unanimously. (With that wording)

Get your facts together.

[waltermh111]

sullivan-county(.)com/news/ffn­c/

This guy claims some to be unitarian. But aside from a sentence in the treaty of paris, none can be quoted, nor other law or declaration from the time, that this is a christian nation

Quoting a few founders does not make it so. They are balanced by more who say the opposite, and the compromise that became the constitution clearly states the standards by which the US will live by. Secularism for the protection of all religions and of people who are not religious

[waltermh111]

Benjamin Franklin was a christian in the sense that he believed in god, but he felt that jesus was a great teacher at best, and did not think much past that.

questioningchristian(.)com/200­4/11/benjamin_frankl.html

He even proposed prayer become a ritual in congress, but it was refused by all but 3-4 people.

John Adams seems to be misquoted as saying this is a christian nation when he clearly says opposite

[MizarShadow]

Part of the confusion here rests on the fact that when the Founding Fathers were alive...you had a choice. You were either religious, or you didn't have much of a chance in the spheres in which they traveled.

We must also acknowledge the fact that more than once we have seen evidence for the fact that the Founding Fathers were more deist in belief. On top of this, regardless of their religion, they set up a secular state to prefer no religion because theocracy is asinine.

[VenomFrogX]

The Tripoli treaty is probably all that's needed to debunk this video.

[HumbleVoice]

Click "(more info)" under 2008 (top right).

[katvilani]

the fact taht article 11 was removed from alater treaty doesn't invalidate the premise of the first one that the government of the US was not founded on the christian religion, as for the treaty of paris the trinity reference is how treaties were wordred by great britain Preface. Declares the treaty to be "in the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity," states the bona fides of the signatories. and declares the intentions of the nations involved.

[Vlaxerman343]

@HumbleVoice wow you sure showed him

[Vlaxerman343]

@VenomFrogX and when was that made?

[ph4rcyd3r]

our founding fathers were secular

[waltermh111]

I posted a link above, assuming it gets approved to a site which complains of your exact words.

I was hoping they were rare.

I am atheist, and I know that the Founders were deists or unitarian, and probably some orthodox christians.

Benjamin Franklin and I forget the other, believed in a GOD, seemingly the jewish one, but not in jesus as anything more then a great teacher. (They must not have heard of the chinese philosophers yet)

They clearly were not all secular, though some were.

[freedom0f5peech]

Comment pending aproval? Hmmm... when I see this from someone telling others about America, it scares me. I want more freedom, not less.

Ok, enough for now... I'll come back and watch the video soon. Thanks for the video reply to my video.

[freedom0f5peech]

What exactly is a "Christian Value"? Oppressing women and people born homosexual? War? Death Penalty? Racism? Slavery? Which "traditional american christian value" do you pick?

Didn't watch the video, just replying to the title... I'll watch it later, I can't play sound right now.

[MizarShadow]

Let's see...Most of the founding fathers ascribed to a Deist worldview (Christian in polite society to avoid faux pas). They abhorred the church and organized religion as a perversion of ideal. They created the constitution and America with a separation of church and state in mind, knowing what would happen if any faith got a hold of the reins.

America is founded on Secular Libertarianism, or at least, as close as one could get to it back in the 18th century.

[ludwigdergott]

The religious beliefs of our founding fathers are not the main issue here. Even if every one of them was christian, the fact remains that they all knew that if you separate religion from the state, it will promote and protect religion. Note that "God", "Jesus", and "The 10 Commandments" are all conspicuously absent from the Constitution and Bill of Rights. One of the bedrocks of our freedoms hinges on the fact that our government stays out of religion!

[Judacoth]

wow man.. just wow, quote mining sure seems to be a great feet for religious people trying to show proof of one of there belligerent arguments. (sigh) ok, first off anything before 1776 is invalid, because only after 1776 did this become a nation... sorta (not enough room to go into details). Our founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, among many many others were outspoken atheists, or bileaved in a cosmos "force" (kinda like star wars), and even made fun of Christianity

[HumbleVoice]

First off, your ridicule of me and religious people is no argument. That's just to make yourself feel smart. From the beginning, this country was settled by people with Christian values, so that does count. And I've heard the other sayings and quotes from the founding fathers. The vid counters overwhelmingly. It's amazing how you would completely ignore these facts.

[Judacoth]

no, the video dousent, it only aligns with your own blind faith. This looks to be a video from somone who has done absolutely no research on the contradictory bileafs. Our founding fathers were deists, the pilgrims who came here were ESCAPING Christianity, not EXPANDING it. The founding fathers would even go as far as to make fun of the "perverted christian religion" a quote from Thomas Jefferson btw. Get used to it, this is not a christian religion, and if it ever became one im leaving.

[HumbleVoice]

Many of the Founding Fathers were God-fearing Christian men. Before you spout your mouth, do some more research on this and learn about them, and about their intentions for a free country, with freedom to worship or not worship, and how they sought God to give them insight and direction in their leadership.

Our Founding Fathers, many, not all, were Christians. They had Christian beliefs and Christian values, and their Christianity was a spiritual way of life which affected decisions they made.

[ilovetheview47]

@HumbleVoice that doesnt mean its based on christian values. more of them were white than christian. does that mean we are a white nation?

[ACOLLEGECONSERVATIVE]

@ilovetheview47 Ignorant comment.

[TheEmilio16]

@ilovetheview47 We are not a white nation, but the founding fathers certainly wanted America to be for white people only. The Naturalization Act of 1790 said that nturalization was for free white persons only. I don't know if these Christian values are something to be bragging about. Was slavery a Christian value too? The Bible clearly says that its ok. So why did we do away with it. Even if those guys were Christians, it certainly does not mean that all of us have to be.

[williamstlj530]

Thank God for your intelligence. I wish more of these idiots would just pick up a book. 52 of the 55 signers of our Constitution were very strong Christians. Many think the "Separation of Church and State" is in the Constitutuion, and that it was put in place to build a wall to keep Christianity out! Further more it's not in the Constitution. Patrick Henry who is responsible for the "bill of rights", Said " Being a Christian is a character I prize far above what this world has or can Boast".

[ARDIT01993]

@HumbleVoice you cant piont to the religous beliefs of the founding as evidence that america was founded on christian values. the founding fathers we above all securalists who did not want the affairs of the church mangled with the affairs of the state. not only is the seperation of church and state keeping religous minorities from being abused by christians, but this seperation keeps the state from telling you how to worship.

[highwater03]

@HumbleVoice

"Article 11 of the original Treaty of Tripoli, 1797, is a hypocritical statement ment to ease tentions from radical muslim's piracy."

lol

You want to claim the Founders, then claim what they said is hypocritical. Good luck with your Christian nation. Might want to read the first Amendment.

[Vlaxerman343]

@HumbleVoice wait i looked at a copy of the treaty online and can't find the words "in the name of the most holy and unidvided trinity" anywhere :(

[Vlaxerman343]

@HumbleVoice i can't find the words "in the name of the mosr holy and undivided trinity anywhere on the treaty" :(

[Lokivoid]

@Judacoth

You left out the fact that a large number of the founding father's followed a followed polyamorous lifestyle, this includes John Adams aswell and Ben Franklin (the biggest swinger of them all of them) last i checked Orgy/Sex/Fetish parties and facinations with the occult was not considered to be a "Orthodox Christian".

[williamstlj530]

Many are afraid of Christianity and the Ten Commandments. To become a Christian would mean that their would be consequences for ones actions.

[williamstlj530]

Judacoth! Wow! What professor taught you this? They were not Atheists. You and many like you choose to believe this because believing in Christ and the 10 Commandments would mean consequences for ones actions.

[YanStevenUT]

Bible is the best book in the world ...

[TallSky]

Here's a metaphor:Someone wearing a beautiful expensive suit with one stain on it gets more criticism from others than does the bum who is wearing a smelly trashed "suit" full of spots and stains. People with itching ears just look for excuses to live out their own filthy pleasures. Christians aren't perfect, but they get hated, as does HumbleVoice and all those who stand for the truth. Such is the reason Jesus was crucified. Rewriting history cannot justify immorality, and as the Romans fell...

[YanStevenUT]

Ratings disabled ...WHY ...???

[FranklyMisterShankly]

Evangelical mythology! The Founding Fathers were Deists who denied an interventionalist God: Washington: a lapsed Episcopalian who never took communion, deist ideas found in writings. John Adams: admitted deist, paper proof. Jefferson, wrote Decl of Independence: deist, borderline agnostic influenced by French philosophes. Madison, author of US Constitution: became a deist due to Jefferson's influence. Benjamin Franklin: a confessed deist, adored by French deist philosophes & French whores.

[HumbleVoice]

"Evangelical mythology!" - Your entitiled opinion.

I've heard these before. The video counters.

[FranklyMisterShankly]

Those are very valuable quotes - but taken completely out of a historical context - they were public statements for the masses, not private writings. Read what the French deist philosophes (who thoroughly influenced the American Founding Fathers) said about the role of religion in society, especially the separation of church & state. Voltaire, the greatest & most influential of the philosophes, summed up this sentiment in his cynnical best: "Philosophy for the classes, religion for the masses."

[ssnsailor]

Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11. Approved unanimously by 339 of the Senate members at the time. Signed by John Adams, a founding father.

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."

Imagine a Country doing their part for the greater good of all instead of the, sometimes oppressive ideals of some. America was founded as a secular country by wise men who cared about every citizen. Not just the ones they went to church with.

[HumbleVoice]

So true. These men who would (and did) die for their belief of freedom saw to it that government suppression upon peoples freedoms be virtually eliminate. These Christian men, the fathers of this country. Its not unlike a father today passing on his moral values to his children.  It would be kind of hypocritical if he didnt.

[ssnsailor]

Did you even read my comment? I'm a little confused why you are agreeing with me when I've given a contradictory viewpoint.

Point is America was founded by some Cristian men who were above all, secularists, who wanted a truly free country. Not a free country for those that share the same faith but for ALL.

[HumbleVoice]

I do agree that these men (the founding fathes) wanted as much freedon for the people as possible including to worship or not worship freely. What I'm saying is that we all do hypocritical things from time to time (Treat of Trip) but that the values they LIVED by were infused into this country. Did you look at my vid?

[ssnsailor]

I did look at your video. I'm tired of Christians claiming that doing the right thing is a Christian value. America was founded secular and to muddy it with religion is not what the founding fathers intended. Separation of church and state, albeit not part of the Constitution, is a model for all Governments.

[HumbleVoice]

"...Christians claiming that doing the right thing is a Christian value." ? Never said that and wouldn't say that.

All I'm saying is that America's VALUES stem from Christian heritage, which you refuse to give any credit to.

[Wolfrodda]

Erm, how is doing 'our' interpretation of morally good not a value of our religion? For that matter, the same goes for any religion. EVERY religion depicts their idea what what you are suppose to do to enduce 'good' [From lack of better word]. Muslims think morally good is killing nonbelievers. Doing anything can be the value of any group. And if there's suppose to be separation, why did we change our pledge of allegiance? It was fine before.

[modernlifechews]

Christian values sounds like a contradiction these days.