AudioMulch Tutorial - Using the LoopPlayer to Create Mashups 3 of 3

[shinybbq]

A couple questions: Can you add the loop player so it automatically connects to your L/R outputs and auto connect to your channel mixer? Also let's say you're doing a live mix, do you keep adding new loop players and load a sample or re-use your old ones? I understand the whole process but want to know if that is possible. I'd also like to control this with a midi controller. Thanks for the tutorial.

[lllatomlll]

@shinybbq not aware of any shortcuts that automatically connect the loop player to a mixer or sound out. i don't expect there to be, either. if i'm doing a live mix i will have everything pre-arranged. in the event i absolutely need to import a new sample i would recycle an old loop player since it will be the fastest approach. you can definitely link this up to a midi controller for sure if you take the time to map it out.

[10120003]

I want to know who you can put this on amp3 you know how do you make a song out of what you got. like "Girl Talk" does.

[Xtrasmallspacer]

Thanks!

[ralbach24]

Great tutorial, but I am having an issue with Audiomulch. Do you pick songs that have perfectly matched BPMs or is there a process that matches them perfectly that I have missed. The issue I am having is that the beats per minute of the tracks in Audiomulch are off even though bars are compatible. (Ex. 4,8,16...)

Thanks for the help!

[lllatomlll]

@ralbach24 i don't pick songs that have the same BPM, although it's ideal if they are within the same range of 10-15bpm or so they don't sound off. Audiomulch lacks pitch correction. It just sounds like you cut your samples to the incorrect bar length. If you put in 4 as a bar value in audiomulch, you better have cut 4 bars in your source sample.

[ralbach24]

@lllatomlll Alright that makes since. But my friend who knows much about music theory, is confused by what a bar is. Or how to calculate them at that. Thanks for the swift reply!

[ralbach24]

@lllatomlll Alright that makes sense. My friend and i however are quite confused by what a "bar" is or is composed of. And at that how it is measured. Thanks for the swift reply!

[Bizzypissick]

for your mp3's do you get them from Itunes or a cd? i heard getting them from cd's makes it sound better when theyre blasting from speakers. Is there any truth behind that?

[lllatomlll]

@Bizzypissick i don't rip from CDs, although it is probably best practice. There's definitely some truth to ripping from the original source (CD) directly to .WAV or other lossless audio formats. I'm not an audiophile on the level that I can hear a significant difference so I do not go this route at all.

[Bizzypissick]

@lllatomlll thanks man. another thing, how do you decide which samples of songs to use with other samples? i also have the new version of audiomulch which has so much more controls on the loop player. i dont know if that has anything to do with it but any help would be appreciated

[lllatomlll]

@Bizzypissick trial and error process where you just mix and match till you find what you like. you could probably use software that calculates BPM/key that might put you in a certain direction. i don't use that version of audiomulch, but the added controls should not take away from the core purpose of the loopplayer.

[har1ey00]

Wow so girl talk isn't a dj after all.. just a super nerd

[lllatomlll]

@har1ey00 I'd probably say it depends on your definition a DJ. You definitely don't need to be a nerd to create samples...common practice in my opinion for those that create music using whatever medium they like.

[exojoc02]

great tutorial man!! but the only question that i have is how do u figure out what songs go good with eachother? i mean i've been trying to line up some songs that have the sam bpm, but they still end up not fitting???lol is it that i just have to cut my samples more precisely and "on-beat"?

[lllatomlll]

@exojoc02 most of it is through trial and error. you could analyze all your songs BPM and use that as a guide if you would like. There is software like beaTunes that I thought worked well. If similar BPM samples are not fitting, you will want to rethink how they were cut like you suggested. You may also need to adjust the phase of the sample to shift where it starts as well. Audiomulch is very much a trial and error process...

[TheFaceMeIter]

Thanks for taking the time to make this. You've taught me a lot. \m/

[lpavin2]

This was awesome! Thanks for all the great info

[paralelSun]

i thought audiomulch 2 had a sequencer.. i swear ive seen it

[lllatomlll]

@paralelSun i don't think there is a sequencer, but it's possible you may be thinking of Automation within Audiomulch?

[paralelSun]

@lllatomlll ah yes probs be true... you would know!

[AdamGotIt]

Thank You!

[itisawyattful]

is there any sort of sequencer to organize transitions and stuff????

[lllatomlll]

@itisawyattful nahh you just use mute/unmute for the transitions. i'm sure you could probably incorporate some plugins if it helps you but...i try to keep it as simple as possible.

[golferwerd]

thanks man.

[electrobrain]

Thanks for demystifying this process a bit, I really found these videos helpful. Cheers!

[tripletroubletilidie]

So I assume when Girl Takl plays he remembers all of the bar speeds?

Really good tutorial though, just what I needed!

[lllatomlll]

Well he has all his loops lined up already so the bar values are always set. He changes the tempo on the fly if he needs to.

[raoul2077]

Excellent tutorial, thanks for doing it.

[blacklineinspace]

CHEERS MAN well explained nice use of songs ....well ????? weezer anyway

[anthropreneur]

You rock. Cheers for the tutorials, Also I know audition doesn't exist for Macs but is Soundbooth a viable alternative?

[lllatomlll]

You are welcome. I had high hopes for Soundbooth...You can definitely use it as an alternative but I found it to be inferior to Audition. I was not impressed by it, unfortunately. I'm using Amadeus Pro for OSX now..which is about as close as I can get to Audition.

[Dustin52456]

great tutorial, thanks!

[WestbamVVVV]

Wow, this was one good tutorial!! (and the previous 2 parts), really much thanks!!

You make it look soo easy.... :)

[JaX401]

when you finish everything, is there a way to record it and make it into an mp3 or something?

[lllatomlll]

double click the sound out to bring up the recorder. you'll have to convert it to mp3 afterwards.

[TomR0909]

when i use audacity i do exactly what the video says and i listen to the clip and the loop flows and everything, then when i save it to desktop and open audiomulch and run the loop player it plays more than i have highlighted and my loop gets messed up help please!

[Thecorrectopinion]

Great tutorial. I just got AudioMulch and I felt lost. This cleared a lot of things up and I'm well on my way to making some mashups. My only question is regarding how once you have all your mashups good to go you record it into a full track.

[lllatomlll]

Good question..simple answer! Double click on the sound out contraption to pull up the recorder.

[aligboyakasha]

oh man... i'm going to have no life now and just use this all day

[adamguarneri]

Also, I know this creates one big loop when you combine all the tracks, but how do you make a whole song out of this? Is there a part of Audiomulch where you lay it out on a timeline?

[lllatomlll]

@adamguarneri Ya definitely. It's called Automation. I have a brief video that goes over how one might use it for that situation. I've also got a few videos up that showcase how I personally used it for a few mixes I made.

[adamguarneri]

Where do you get your acapella and instrumentals from?

[lllatomlll]

I just search on google.

[laxgoalie5115]

if im looping a specific part is it possible for me to stop the loop during the song?

[lllatomlll]

You can stop any loop by pressing the mute button!

[shanegedekoh]

Okay, so say you have everything setup in Audiomulch like you want it, and know when to mute your different samples. How do you record it? Like make it into one track, to send to people, or put on your ipod / CDs, etc...

[lllatomlll]

double click on the soundout contraption to open up the recorder.

[shanegedekoh]

ok, thank you. I'm new too all of this. Nice tutorials btw.

[emarus]

Amazingly helpful, much appreciated work!

[FrankdeJong]

great tutorials indeed, but what I want to do is create a 'liveset' like Girl Talk does... so a tutorial about the automation bar would be great, since now I'm just clicking the mute/unmute buttons like an idiot

[lllatomlll]

well a live set like girl talk would actually not use the automation feature. he is, in fact, clicking the mute/unmute buttons like an idiot. laying out your samples in the right order is the difficult process that takes a lot of time.

automation is more along the lines of creating a track off one of his albums (read: more complex. muting/unmuting multiple samples at the same time)

[FrankdeJong]

But I already have 10 loopplayers for just a few minutes of work mixing, how can fill up to two hours without making a mess out of your Audiogulch screen?

I would say Ableton is better for this then, since you can map out your samples on a timeline, making it easier to see what you're actually mashing up.

[lllatomlll]

Well you have to organize your samples in mulch. I do it in groups of 8. It is not bad at all. It is very linear and I just go down the list in order.

I have used Ableton for a few hours and would probably agree that it may be easier to set up a timeline. You spend enough time with both applications and they all end up producing similar results.

[djog10]

lol, yeah i've seen him and its a lot of fun watchin how he is just jumping and clickin at the same time.

[hanso815]

I doubt that, for an album, he would use automation -- instead he would just record from AM and edit all the recordings in Adobe Audition. I say this because there are a lot of parts in Night Ripper and FTA that have reverb and a change in tempo but not a change in pitch which is what AM would tend to do. And also, it seems like recording and editing in Audition would be easier than programming in automation.

[lllatomlll]

i can't argue w/ you there. I have no idea how he really does it. it definitely goes through audiomulch at first...but i have a hard time understanding how he would create his album manually triggering all his samples. There are parts on his albums where I can't explain how he would fire everything off in the small window of time he has.

you are right though, it goes through audition or other software after passing through AM. Whether girl talk uses automation is certainly questionable.

[cpricejones]

awesome tutorials! thanks a lot it taught me how to get started

[fooentes]

Hi there, nice tutorial!

I was wondering, how can I record the entire song? I mean, like a timeline. First you start with weezer riff, than comes a capella, etc..

[lllatomlll]

Automation in Audiomulch can achieve this. Just use the mute/unmute automation and you can set it up like a timeline. I am eventually putting a video together on that...

[bo5ton]

Look forward to this!

[pfowler68]

is there a way to put it all together to make it into a song like girl talk does it

[lllatomlll]

I am not sure how girl talk produces his songs, however I can create something similar using the Automation feature in Audiomulch. You lay out your entire timeline of samples and when you want them to mute/unmute. This gives you the ability to control multiple samples simultaneously. The drawback is the process can be tedious...

[djog10]

what i would do is just to record as many sessions as needed to put a complete cd cuz to make it in just one session is like what, 300, 400 samples? so that's how i would do it .

[freship]

Nice tutorial, I'm going to try Audiomulch when I get some time. I would recommend Amadeus Pro to use instead of Audacity. It's not as elaborate as Audition, but it is for the Mac and you can scrub through a clip. It has some other good features as well. Costs only 40 bucks and you can try it for free.

[lllatomlll]

thanks for the tip, i will definitely check it out. not being able to scrub in audacity (at least i don't know how to) is a huge limitation for this process. appreciate the comment for sure!

[amart7]

Do you know if there is a limit to the length of a sample in Audiomulch?

[lllatomlll]

i don't...i highly doubt it, though. the limit would be more applicable to the size of the file and how your computer can handle it...

beyond that, i don't see any limitation in sample length.

[EndRightInCircles]

...my fault...i meant to type 8 16 64

[EndRightInCircles]

right now i have incubus wish you were here- under the milli verse---and the run this town jz beat--and i want you back jackson 5

[EndRightInCircles]

so i have all of my loop in audio mulch and the tempo is set to 315 and all the measures in the loops are multiples of each other...8 12 64...but they dont line up the tempos seem to be different for each one

[lllatomlll]

a lot of it is trial and error at times. sometimes the samples are not meant for each other. some songs are 3/4 and some are 4/4 which means they won't work, even though the bars are set right. what songs are you using?

[WhataboutMichaelG]

How do you get your samples to sound correct on the even number bars? I would have to set them on for example like 3.7, 6.3, or 5.8 just to get them to sound right. Do you have any more advice (beyond this video) on how to fix this?

[lllatomlll]

i don't understand where you would get 3.7 or 6.3...etc.? your samples should always be some sort of multiple of each other. I don't do anything special to the sample..just cut them correctly.

change 6.3 to 6. change 5.8 to 6. they should match up quite nicely so long as they are cut properly. By that I mean they start and end promptly, making a seamless loop.

[WhataboutMichaelG]

It was an example, because if I used a 3 second sample with a chorus that's 17 seconds they wouldn't sound right if I rounded them to the nearest whole number.

Like 6. would be to fast and 7. would be too slow and I would have to set it somewhere in between just to jet it to sound right. Do you know any way to fix this?

I have the tempo set at 315. Do I need to change that?

By the way, thank for your responses :)

[lllatomlll]

Yeah don't worry about the length of the sample. For the most part, the length is arbitrary. The important thing is to make sure they are cut properly. You are not going to get the same pitch as the original track most of the time, which makes sense since you are stretching two samples to work together.

Set your bars to multiples of each other...and you can adjust the overall pitch/speed via the tempo (along the top). So yes..you may have to change the tempo to 280...or higher than 315.

[d2jenkin]

Thanks a bunch. I was having trouble with navigating audiomulch, but you have cleared it all up. Awesome posts

[LUXZ0R]

I find this effective but not entirely...I personally hate how the play button plays every loop, not just one. I think it would help if you could play one loop at a time seeing that you cant tell what portion of the loop is playing while its on mute. Is there anyway to fix this? Or is it always like this because I'm pretty sure Girl Talk dosent just unmute a loop when he dosent know what part its at.

[lllatomlll]

While I can't say for 100% sure the science behind Girl Talk, this is how the Audiomulch works. Once you practice this enough, you build up enough cues to know where the sample is at any time (with some exceptions with extremely long samples). For example...a 4 bar sample instrumental and a 16 bar acapella. You keep a mental tally that the 4bar instrumental needs to play 3 times then you press the unmute button on the acapella. It is very natural after you work with the samples day in day out.

[lllatomlll]

You will also notice that in live girl talk shows he sometimes miscues and starts an acapella in the middle of the verse....it just happens sometimes.

[LUXZ0R]

Ok thanks. Just wondering. Ive been using fruity loops and edison for a while to make mashups and having each loop sample on a channel on the mixer which has been going smoothly but its a pain to get the bars aligned so I've just been trying new programs. Do you have any idea what program Super Mash Bros. use? Im not sure if youve heard of them.

[lllatomlll]

I'm sorry, I don't. I have yet to try other software...I've been enjoying my time with Audiomulch for now. I do hear many good things about Ableton...

[beutowerr]

from this video i learned how to create mashups, thank you for that by the way..

but now i'm wondering, how do you record the mashups (as your making them)? i dislike going through adobe audition for actually getting the tracks made as a recorded version

[lllatomlll]

Double click on the sound out contraption. It will bring up a recorder..very simple.

You can record on the fly or setup automation to make the recording extra "clean".

I'm going to put up a video of me using Automation in the near future...just need to re-install my screen capture software.

[bdbrown3889]

Great tutorial dude. I almost gave up on audiomulch.

That full sample you toyed around with about halfway through was fucking G.

Keep it up yo!

[DanthaFodder]

Loved the tutorial.

Would love you for you to show us how to create a full 3-4 minute song like in your other demo.

[lllatomlll]

I'm considering it, actually. I would not be able to show you a 3 minute ensemble most likely, because the entire process is rather tedious. YouTube limits to 10 minutes so it's whatever I can fit. I would go over using automation for maybe a handful of samples.

[DanthaFodder]

Cool, looking forward to it!

[desire178]

Great tutorial!

[still4mo]

just wachted the tutorials, have a question:

In the tutorial you just mute and un-mute the songs, how can i make it go automaticly?

thanks

[lllatomlll]

You can do this through Automation. It is a bit of a tedious process, but it's pretty much how you would start multiple samples at the same and create CD like tracks. I prefer just doing everything on the fly...but if you want clean cut transitions etc., use the automation tool built into Audiomulch

[lllatomlll]

I used automation in my other video that is a mockup of girltalk. The video title is called "Audiomulch Loops".

[IanGS91]

good timing putting this up i just watched rip! a remix manifesto and was pumped to start some of my own mixing.

[aidaja]

thanks man that was a big help.