@Turandot29 Dr. Abdus Salam belonged to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. He is the first ever Muslim nobel laureate in Science. Read up on this community and you will see the difference between us and the Muslims belonging to other sects. Why members of other sects of Islam have failed to produce anyone of any significance in scientific field is something that they can answer for themselves and not us.
1.5 billion muslims gives you a grand total of 8 Nobel Prize winners
13 million jews gives you 166 Nobel Prize winners.
Make of this what you will, but the difference is staggering, and some of the reasons are pretty much apparent for everyone to see. One of the clearest and less controversial would have to be the fact of how far too many muslims obsess over certain groups of people and create conspiracy theories, blaming all their faults on them rather than working to grow better as people.
@XSAlexio As Ahmadiyya Muslims this is our firm belief that true science (work of God) and Quran (word of God) can never have any contradiction between each other. Those who take the word of God too literally certainly fall into error, however those who try to understand the wisdom behind the words find no contradiction in the work of God and the word of God. In contrast, the wonders of nature makes their faith firmer than ever before.
hey didn't kill him nor could they crucify him (meaning they could neither kill Jesus on the cross as one is only declared as one being CRUCIFED if the attempt to kill him on the cross is successful. If one is put on the cross but he survives death on the cross, you call such a person being crucified.) but it was appeared to them so (he went into a state of unconciousness and his enemies thought that he was killed). They killed him not for sure. Simple as that.
then this verse of Holy Quran: "And We made the son of Mary and his mother a SIGN, and gave them REFUGE on an ELEVATED LAND OF GREEN VALLEYS AND SPRINGS OF RUNNING WATER." (Ch. 23:50/51)
..then this verse of Holy Quran: "And We made the son of Mary and his mother a SIGN, and gave them REFUGE on an ELEVATED LAND OF GREEN VALLEYS AND SPRINGS OF RUNNING WATER." (Ch. 23:50/51)
Anybody who has seen the valleys of Kashmir knows the above mentioned description by Quran of the land where Jesus with Hadhrat Maryam found refuge matches with Kashmir valleys. This is where we believe Jesus went after a long journey that he took in search for the 10 lost tribes of Israel.
@bsfrombsk From what I understood, you believe Iblis is a "best creation of Allah SWT". I feel no need to engage in a debate with you now. Shirk? If Prophet Muhammad (SAW) as it say's in the Quran is not the father of any of us, but a prophet of the Lord, a prophet for whom this universe was made, is dead, how can a ISA ibn Mariam (PBUH) a prophet confined to only the twelve tribes of Israel still be alive in heaven, waiting to descend...?
Why is it a surprise Jesus is alive for such a long time if Satan the enemy of Allah is allowed to be alive for such a long time why can't one best creations of Allah stay alive for 2000 years?? Stop commitin shirk and doubting Allah's power
@bsfrombk Allah's power has not been doubted, you are saying just because someone believes a more scientifically possible outcome to Isa (as) it is shirk?! If you are going to argue, to it with a rational mind and a pure heart, as Allah commands you to.
i understand why your trying to prove Jesus died a natural death because than for you this will mean Jesus cant come back again, why you doubting Allah's power? even if i agree with your beliefs all of this is suppose to happen at the end of time, Jesus is suppose to kill Dajjal, did your guy kill dajjal? your guy came and has gone but nothing has happened, thats why these beliefs of your's are so ridiculous.
@bsfrombk Please stop putting your words in my mouth. I am not doubting Allah's power, just want to find the proof of your irrational beliefs from Quran that Jesus is alive for the last 2000 years in the most supernatural circumstances. Please go slowly, we will come to the "end days" and the "Dajjal" etc. too. One by one, finish this discussion that is already in progress.
grammar nor are you. i also checked tafsir same thing no tafsir agrees with you saying if there is please give me the reference.
And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.(4:157)
@bsfrombk They didn't kill him nor could they crucify him (meaning they could neither kill Jesus on the cross as one is only declared as one being CRUCIFED if the attempt to kill him on the cross is successful. If one is put on the cross but he survives death on the cross, you call such a person being crucified.) but it was appeared to them so (he went into a state of unconciousness and his enemies thought that he was killed). They killed him not for sure. Simple as that.
Please give the reference for you ferry tale from Quran or authentic hadith, forget authentic give it from fabricated hadiths because i want to see where this non sensical belief of your's is documented because this belief of your's is completely contradicting the Quran. i did a little research and found out that all the translators translate the verse exactly in this way with a few word changes. give me one translator who agrees with your translation because i am not an expert in arabic
@bsfrombk I thought I gave you references from Quran and hadith explaining Jesus' death but you refused to accept any hadith that went against your beliefs. There you go again, and I know you will still not accept truth. Watch this 1 minute video that I made that gives reference of Jesus' death from one Quranic verse and then supporting hadith: /watch?v=Zcjqyp1Lhi4
...another hadith for you: God directed Jesus '0 Jesus! Move from one place to another' go from one country to another lest thou shouldst be recognised and persecuted. (Kanz-ul-Ummal Volume 2, p. 34) Then in the same book of hadiths: "Jesus always used to travel; he went from one country to another, and at nightfall wherever he was he used to eat the vegetation of the jungle and to drink pure water." (p. 71)
...then this verse of Holy Quran: "And We made the son of Mary and his mother a SIGN, and gave them REFUGE on an ELEVATED LAND OF GREEN VALLEYS AND SPRINGS OF RUNNING WATER." (Ch. 23:50/51)
Anybody who has seen the valleys of Kashmir knows the above mentioned description by Quran of the land where Jesus with Hadhrat Maryam found refuge matches with Kashmir valleys. This is where we believe Jesus went after a long journey that he took in search for the 10 lost tribes of Israel.
The reason he is the only prophet is because he is the only prophet of god whose people thought he claimed divinity. He will be coming again to testify what he says in 5:116
@bsfrombk This is what you think. I can give you links where even Muslims of today have indulged in great acts of Shirk. Jews indulged in acts of Shirk and this is even mentioned in hadith when Holy Prophet said in the hadith: "Curse be upon Jews and Christians who made the graves of their prophets places of worship" (Bukhari, Kitab as-Salat, p. 296) Krishan Kanahiya was a true prophet of God and he is worshipped by Hindus: /watch?v=9EBqlk4OiUE Why should they all not come back physically?
@bsfrombk Please enlighten us with the verse that talks about literal ascent of Jesus in the Quran. Remember when I will put the counter argument, please don't try to change the topic. It is a discussion going on between us, it is not a one way thing whre you keep on calling me a non-Muslim without having any ability to prove your point. I have not denied any fact in the Quran, I as an Ahmadi Muslim deny your absurd irrational understanding of Quran. There is a hell of difference between the two
When u try to quote a Hadith u give a reference. I know where you headed with the argument so y not go straight there. I already said you trying to prove his ascension dead or Alive is not even relevant because the main point his 2nd coming. Than u start telling me a ferry tale that he never died which was completely obnoxious. Why don't you answer my hadith I quoted from sahih Bukhari??
@bsfrombk Its amazing to see in 21st century people like yourself consider Jesus' death like all other humans a "fairy tale" but his "literal flight somewhere up in the skies" and his supernatural life for the last 2000 years and God knows how many more, the truth. The sad part is that you hold such absurd views and then associate them with the Quran and hadith. The "second coming" is metapharical or literal, that will be decided after knowing if Jesus is dead or literally ascended to heaven.
@bsfrombk What about Jesus? His literal return? Oh yes kindly enlighten me as to why Jesus has been singled out as a prophet to be left dangling in some heaven for the last 2000 years for a flight back sometime in future. Why has he alone been stipped off his prophethood?
@bsfrombk Your try number 2 to change the topic when can't debate an issue with the help of Quran and supporting hadith. You come up with all these big words but without any reference from Quran. Once a counter argument is presented to you, you simply run away. Is this the way of a true Muslim. Ask yourself with pure heart.
your absolutely right, nobody can exclude shia sunni doebande ahle-hadith whabbi etc from Islam because they are Muslims but people that are not even inside the religion i dont see any problem. your beliefs are like saying my book is bible but i am Muslim, its pretty laughable to say the least. Jesus will not come as a prophet he will come as a ummati of Prophet(pbuh), his book will be Quran and his messenger will be Prophet, as i told you prophethood has ended.
@bsfrombk Oh, you are unable to provide a single reference from Quran to back your absurd beliefs but you have become custodian of Quran! You keep on coming up with these baseless comments and then "throw me" out of Islam! Hatoo Burhanakum (Bring your proof) from Quran where Jesus' prophethood has been declared to be "temporary"! Secondly in one single hadith of Muslim, Holy Prophet declared the coming "Jesus" as Nabiullah (prophet of Allah) four times. Who are you to say otherwise?
even if you give me hadiths where it proves Jesus death that is still irrelevant because the main arguement is his second coming and that is clearly proven. that he will come at the end of time from authentic hadith and Quran. well when you dont believe in the Holy Prophet(pbuh) as being the last prophet than you cannot be called a Muslim. "72 out of 73 sects of ISLAM", first you have to qualify to be part of Islam to be part of those 73 sects.
@bsfrombk Your arrogance surprises me. Anyway, on one instance you say that PROPHET Jesus is to come AFTER Holy Prophet again and on the other hand you say that no prophet of anykind could ever come now. It is not a matter of an old prophet returning or new prophet, you see a need of a PROPHET OF GOD AFTER HOLY PROPHET. What makes you a Muslim and you or your Mullahs the "custodians" of this faith and the ones who have the audacity to include or exclude anyone from "Islam" as they like!
All Muslims agree upon the events i have stated about Jesus there is not a single sect of Islam who agrees with your beliefs of Jesus or some other beliefs of yours. even in your religion people have different opinions
@bsfrombk My religion is Islam. Ahmadiyya Jamaat in Islam is very clear on the subject and there are no two openions about and our belief is very clear. Jesus is dead like all other prophets of God. "Anyone alive today will be dead before a hundred years have passed over it." (Muslim, Kanz Ummal, vol. 7, p. 170) If Jesus was alive at the time when Holy Prophet said this, he should have been dead in 100 years. Then this hadith: "Had Moses or Jesus been alive, they would have had to follow me."
first of all i have very much knowledge of this stuff but when i hear something contrary to the view point of all Muslims than it has to be called a mere belief of oneself. The experts of Arabic who translated Quran all say it appeared to be but you say otherwise who should i believe? i go into tafsir it states the same thing and when i go to hadith i see the same thing.
@bsfrombk According to the hadith of Holy Prophet 72 sects out of 73 had to be on the wrong path. So if one stands against the 72 it should make you research into the subject with a pure and unprejudiced heart rather than just discarding it as a fabrication. I can give you many hadiths proving Jesus' death, but I want you to first open your heart. There is this BBC4 Documentary that you should watch: /watch?v=zqp2bgB5DmE
this can be a mere belief of yours but it has no place in the books of Islam. Quran in numberous places says Jesus was taking up to Allah, and also talks about the crucifixion saying that wasnt Jesus but it appeared to be so, meaning it was somebody else who Allah made to look like him.
@bsfrombk Please don't pass judgements on issues that you don't have any knowledge of. Nowhere does it say in the verse that he wasn't even put on the cross and somebody else being put in his place. Verse only denies his death on the cross or killing by any other means. It only says that "walakin shubbiha lahum" (it was made to them as one dead) meaning that he went into a state of unconciousness and to onlookers it seemed as if Jesus had died. Even Quran and hadith mention his migration.
for arguement sake even if i agree with you he was taken up dead how does that prove anything? the hadith clearly state the return of Jesus(as) at the end of time.
@bsfrombk I think you are still not clear about our beliefs as to what happened to Jesus after his ordeal on the cross. We don't believe that he died or he was taken up dead at the time of crucifixion. Our belief is that Jesus was put on the cross but he didn't die of his injuies on the cross. When he was taken off the cross he was in a state of unconciousness and this was taken as his death. He was treated for his injuries by his disciples in hiding, he recovered and then migrated Eastwards.
...He died a natural death in Kashmir after a very good old age, but not before he had completed his mission and reached to all the 12 tribes of Israel he was meant for. So the one who was awaited in ummah of Holy Prophet as "Jesus" and Imam Mahdi was actually an ummati of Holy Prophet who had to come in the likeness and character of Jesus at a time when Muslims had to become like Jews of the time of Jesus. Watch these amazing similarities between Jesus and Promised Messiah: /watch?v=muawGnCeZJ4
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established (1) till two big groups fight each other whereupon there will be a great number of casualties on both sides and they will be following one and the same religious doctrine, (2) till about thirty Dajjals (liars) appear, and each one of them will claim that he is Allah's Apostle...
@bsfrombk Keep to the topic please You are running away from the topic at hand. We will come to the signs of the latter days too, but we things will be taken one by one. I wouldn't allow you to move to another topic unless first issue is resolved and you like a true Muslim accept the folly in your beliefs. Otherwise provide evidence from Quran to disprove my point.
completely different. All of hadith books and scholars are anonymous of Jesus return. give me one reference for your belief. its funny how your whole religion is based on this small verse of the Quran on which all Muslims of today and past agree on he was taken up alive and will return at the end of time. You have to come to the true path to be called a Muslim.
@bsfrombk Watch this small video in which I quoted the verse of Quran where the word "Tawaffa" was used in reference of Jesus and supporting hadith makes it clear that this tawaffa can mean nothing but Jesus's death: /watch?v=Zcjqyp1Lhi4
My religion is Islam and it is based on the true teachings of Quran and supporting ahadith. If Majority of Muslims today oppose us then how can that is a proof of their truthfulness? Infact it shows our truthfulness: /watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo (A must watch)
in Arabic there is something called the study of taking into context, you yourself is saying in other places in the Quran it a different meaning. Moula has 25 different meanings but when taken into context can mean friend, slave, master or etc. Imam as we all know means a person whose head of a mosque but in the Quran the torah has been called a imam. Your claim of Jesus not coming back is no where to be found in the Quran or hadith, you claim these are your two sources but your beliefs are
@bsfrombk I have explained to you the two meanings of Tawaffa in their context from the Holy Quran. If you can provide me even a single example from Quran (other than the mention of Jesus) where word Tawaffa has been used and it means other than death (without having qualifying words to explain its meaning) bring it up and I will agree with your interpretation as being true. I have never denied the coming of Promised Messiah (infact I believe he has already come) only his identity differs frm u.
where it says Allah takes away the souls of humans when they are in sleep metaphorically. 99% scholars throughout the history of Islam have agreed that Jesus was taken up alive so this not even a question. I don’t understand how this is so important though. Let’s move on to mirza ghulam because this is the main point where people including me and others call you people kafir, clarify this for me what is mirza ghulam is he a prophet and a mahdi or just a prophet or etc…
@bsfrombk The issue of Jesus is very important in Islam because there is clear reference of a "Jesus" in the ummah of Holy Prophet who has also been called Imam Mahdi by Holy Prophet in his ahadith. If you don't believe Jesus died like all other prophets, then you are waiting for the same Jesus of Nazareth to literally descend from the skies, and that is never going to happen, and as a result you reject the one who truly has come in his likeness.
Hold your horses before you accuse anyone of a crime because these are translators who understand Arabic from inside out whereas me and you don’t know a word of Arabic. The word is Mutawaffi and the root word is tawaffa which means “to take and to receive” or “to seize the soul” in the metaphorical meaning, so in this sense it means Allah recalled Isa (as) from his mission. The word tawaffa is used in another verse of the Quran,
@bsfrombk Well I don't know about you, but I have studied this word tawaffa in great length. The word "tawaffa" or words with same root have been mentioned 25 times in Quran. No less than 23 times it is taken in the meaning of "death". The only two times when it is taken in the meaning of "taking away of soul at the time of sleep" is when qualifying words "Naum" (sleep) and "Lail" (night) have been used to clarify its meaning. There is no such word used in case of Jesus' tawaffa. Open you heart!
I never said Isa(as) is alive I said he was taking up alive, there is no evidence what happened to him after his ascension, we also know he will return at the end of time. He told Jesus, "I will save you from your enemies, raise you to Myself, keep you clean from the association with the disbelievers, and give superiority to your followers over the unbelievers until the Day of Judgment. On that day you will all return to Me and I shall resolve your dispute. (3-55)
@bsfrombk You translated the word "Mutawaffeeka" in this verse (3:55/56) as ""I will save you from your enemies". This is a translation that is nowhere to be found for this word in Arabic. "Mutawaffeeka" (I will give you wafaat/natural death) never ever means to say "save you from your enemies". So the person who translated this verse as such has done a great crime by changing its meaning. So this verse actually is talking about Jesus' natural death. Please bring some other proof from Quran.
Jesus taken up alive and his come back I agree with, there is no disagreement there. I need clarification from u, u didn't mention the believe in hadith, is that true?? If u do than which Hadith books u take. Let me mention some Your Kalima? How many namaz's your pray?
@bsfrombk As I mentioned earlier, Quran remains first and ultimate source of guidance for us. Sunnah comes second and then the hadith. Sunnah and hadith have to be read and understood in light of Quranic teachings. Hadith of our beloved Prophet (pbuh) can never contradict Quran. If there seems some contradiction between Quran and hadith, then either we are misunderstanding the issue, hadith is misunderstood, mistranslated, read out of context or simply fabricated. Isa is alive? Quranic evidence?
@bsfrombk I thought we can start with any belief of your liking but if you wish, we can start with the non-Ahmadiyya belief that Jesus was literally ascended to heaven and he is alive for the last 2000 years or so waiting for his literal return/descent. Bring your proof from Quran because according to my Ahmadiyya beliefs Jesus just like all other prophets of God has died. All prophets who come for the guidance of mankind come as Bashar (humans). They don't fly around etc.
This claim of your's raises a lot of questions, when imam Mahdi is suppose to come there are some obvious things that are suppose to happen but it seems with Mirza Ghulam it wasn't the case. You claim Your books are Quran and Hadith, prove it from these books because they are crystal clearly contradicting what you guys believe.
@bsfrombk You are claiming that our beliefs contradict with the teachings of Quran and hadith, so onus of proof lies on your shoulders. Lets take our beliefs one by one and see whose beliefs truly are in line with the teachings of Quran and hadith. Remember Quran remains our first and ultimate source of guidance and hadith has to be read in light of the teachings of Quran. To me my beliefs as an Ahmadi Muslim are the true representation of Islam on earth today with the grace of Allah.
@bsfrombk To us Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) is the same Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah whose advent was prophesised by our beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) more than 1400 years ago. Holy Prophet declared the coming Messiah (Jesus metaphorically) and Imam Mahdi titles of one and the same person and a Nabiullah & Khalifatullah. So the Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah had to be a non-lawbearing prophet within the ummah of Holy Prophet in his subordination fo the purpose of Islam's revival today
@bsfrombk Our religion is Islam, our Prophet is Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) and our Book is Holy Quran. Ahmadiyyat is nothing but Islam in its most prestine form today in this age of utter spiritual darkness.
He was a great brain in science and a no-brain in religion...For the record,Ahmadis or Qadianis or Mirzais are non-muslims as declared in the constitution of Pakistan 1973.Anyone who does not accept Hazrat Muhammad(S.A.W.)as the last prophet of Allah cannot be a muslim.And Mirza Qadiyani was a sick crook.
@ninasabin Majority of non-Ahmadi Muslims believe in the coming of Prophet Jesus AFTER Holy Prophet. Regardless if he is new or old prophet, they see a need of a prophet AFTER Holy Prophet. Does that mean that there is not a single Muslim in the world as none of them believe in Holy Prophet being the last prophet of all kinds. For God's sake, come out of your hypocrisy and try to learn Islam with wisdom and rationality. Don't make Islam a laughing stock with your absurdities.
@ninasabin I will only quote a Hadith on the definition of a Muslim. Let me know please if you take this as inferior to the Constitution of Pakistan.
"Whoever prays like us and faces our Qiblah and eats our slaughtered animals is a Muslim and is under Allah’s and His Messenger’s protection. So do not betray Allah by betraying those who are in His protection." [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8 Salat, Number 386]
@dosonodo You are just leaving ignorant, hateful and prejudiced statements without any authority. Discuss the issue with me in light of Quran and see who is a curse and who is a blessing!
Syed, There is a big communication gap between us unfortunately. Either I am not able to put my point accross to you or you are not getting my point at all. I never suggested that I don't know the history, rather I was reffering to your lack of knowledge (not in any arrogance ofcourse) on the subject.
@IslamAhmadiya ,,u r pakistani and i am pakistani so we r brothers,,it does,nt matter that i am shia and u r ahmadia,,sunni ..........just think we pakistani,and 1 more,,,,,,,,,,,, i wanna say that ,,when u come to youtube just say i am muslim and pakistani because other religion is watching this video,,i mean hindu christian ,and more
Brother Syed, I totally agree with you that as Pakistani we are brothers and it doesn't matter if you are shia, sunni, hindu, jew or whatever as long as you don't impose your way of thinking on others by force. This is what ISLAM teaches me. I am originally a Pakistani and a loyal citizen of that country because this is what ISLAM teaches me. The reason why I prefer to put Ahmadiyya Muslim as my true identity is to distinguise myself from others who also call them Muslims but they do not...
" The reason why I prefer to put Ahmadiyya Muslim as my true identity is to distinguise myself from others who also call them Muslims but they do not.. "
...come even close to the true values that Islam teaches. They don't even know what humanity means. Ahmadiyya Community is the only Jamaat in Islam or even any other sect of any other religion that works tirelessly under one leadership of Khilafat as a unit to represent the true picture of Holy Prophet (peace be on him) and Islam to the world. We not only say these things, we show the true picture of Islam through our character Alhamdolillah. Watch this 3 part video: /watch?v=lWVqtk_pkLI
@MrSyedzulfiqar.... What do you mean, you should say just pakistani and muslim, I am a christian and a Pakistani, we and our whole community serve pakistan and will continue our services, how you dare to speak like this to belong pakistan just for muslim...you have pathatic mind
@rithi05 ,,if u r pakistani christian ,,so i will respect u too much,,we r brothers,,i dont like europian christian,because they r not good with pakistan,,,,,,but christian is a good religion
he is a famous person of pakistani history,,and i wanna say just write his name ,,dr abdus salam,,,don,t say,, ahmadia abdus salam,,,b,cause we r pakistani ,,,it does,nt matter that he is ahmadiya ,sunni ,shia ,hindu,,muslim,,,we r pakistani and proud to be a pakistani
Mrzulfiqar, He was not only the first Pakistani to have ever been awarded with nobel prize but also the first ever Muslim too. So his religious identity is very very important. Above all, he always quoted the Holy Quran in order to back his scientific discoveries. He is the only person in the history of Nobel Prize ceremonies who quoted the Holy Quran in his speech at the time of his prize ceremony. So I feel the special need of putting his identity as Ahmadi Muslim in the title.
@IslamAhmadiya ,,,so u mean he is ahmadiya thats why he quoted the holy Quran,,,,,,no sir,,,,u know that abdul sattar edhi and osama bin laden belong to same religion,,,osama is a big tererist and edhi is a good person who helping poor people,,,don,t think that he is ahmadi ,,think that he is pakistani and muslim ,,,,, he is scientist because of pakistan not because of ahmadia
MrSyed, I have no problem if Abdus Sattar Edhi is called a Pakistani Muslim if his actions telly with the teachings of Islam. Late Dr. Abdus Salam always used to say that Quran inspired him to the theory that led him to win the noble prize. So he was a scientist and such a successful one because he was an Ahmadi Muslim. So I am very glad and proud to call him as Ahmadi Muslim Pakistani Scientist. If this title hurts you, then you can upload your own video with a title of your liking!
Syed, He is not in Pakistan now because he has passed away. He wasn't appreciated by the Pakistanis though when he was alive because of his religious background. I don't think you know the history though.
Its very shameful that pakistan did not respect Pro.Salam (a world renowned scientist). I think Pro.Salam should have born in England or America where those people admire their scientist.
People like Pro.Abdus Salam are born once in 1000 years.
he got a nobel prize because he was born in india even though he was to die a pakistani. that is the magic of india. if he were born in fata or some f... up place in pakistan he would have been a suicide bomber.
olebaj, What do you know of him by the way? He was born before the partition but in Jhang. Jhang resides in the Pakistani part of indian subcontinent. Dr. Salam always kept PAKISTANI passport, didn't even accept dual nationality offered to him by some western countries. I am a Pakistani and an Ahmadi Muslim. I am not a suicide bomber. Please don't leave such ignorant, stupid and extremist comments here. This is certainly not a very nice way of representing your country.
A muslim calling me stupid??? that's ridiculous. Muslims are the most ignorant, stubborn, fanatical living beings walking planet earth. They cannot think for themselves as they have been programmed not to by a fake prophet who has drilled scare into them of after life. So STFU
olebaj, I can only see you here showing complete ignorant, fanatical and stubborn behaviour. It seems to me that you have let yourself be programmed not to think for yourself and be blinded by the prejudice spread by those who thrive on keeping the truth being hidden. Listen to these non-Muslims who know the facts about this Muslim community and who are blinded like yourself:
He was wearing the same turban here that he wore as a kid at the age of 14 when he was graduating....He never saw a light bulb till the age of 15! - amazing man
hes the only one wearing his national dress, what an ill fated country that denied oppurtunity to a man of such distinction and such love and patriotism, what a sad moment for Pakistan for him to die in another country.
And as far as youre say that this is not relative to Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmads (as) claim as the Promised Messiah than please, by all means list some contributions worth comparing with Ahmadis that the Muslim population has bestowed upon mankind post Promised Messiahs (as) prophecy.
MashAllah, your intelligence is clearly visible from the childish question you pose. Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmads (as) prophecy was that his followers will excel in knowledge and wisdom. That does not at all mean each and everything new to mankind will be inaugurated by the hands of Ahmadis. In fact, thats the most lame assumption one can make. He was a Muslim and thus his followers EXCELED in various fields of knowledge, as an example, achieving the Noble Peace Prize as the first Muslim.
You Ahmedi guys are blinded by your love to Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. He was a Normal man juist like you and me. He took advanatage of teh situation and served the british rulers like a good humble servant serves his master. There is nothing but falsehood and blind belief on Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. First Mirza ghulam claimed to be Hazrat Esa then when he realized this won't work he became a Mehdi. and then he became a branched Prophet, lol. WAKE UP AHMEDIS.
LaraAkram, You have not responded correctly to even a single question that I posed at you. You have contineously been coming up with new ill informed accusations. Why don't you do a civilised, educated and intelligent discussion with me rather than leaving these fabricated, out of context and prejudiced filled anti-Ahmadiyya filth. If you are a Muslim then better act like a Muslim too and do a humble arrogant free discussion with be that is based on Taqwah and honesty.
LaraAkram, Thank you for appreciating Dr. Salam's achievements. However, why do you say that we are not Muslims? We do believe in Holy Prophet PBUH more than any other Muslims because we have listened and obeyed to his words to recognise and accept the truth of his Ummah's Messiah when he comes. It were the words of Holy Prophet PBUH that when the Mahdi and Messiah comes one must pass his PBUH salam to him and do bait on his hands even if one has to travel through glaciers on one's knees.
Yes i know you believe in the Holy Prophet S.A.W but you don't believe in him as the last Messenger. As for me, i don't believe in the second coming of the Messiah just like you guys believe. But you guys believe Mr Mirza to be the Mehdi and you guys also believe him to be the last prophet.
LaraAkram, We do believe Holy Prophet PBUH to be the Last law-bearing Prophet. We believe Promised Messiah/Imam Mahdi to be the subordinate prophet of Holy Prophet whose purpose was to revive the true spirit of Islam at the time when Islam was just in name and not in its spirit according to the prophecy of Holy Prophet. We don't believe that Promised Messiah is the last prophet, you have been misinformed. As for your belief about Messiah's return I would like to know more. Jazak Allah.
one of the thing u guys do not really understand! to have a Messiah raised in the Ummah of the Holy Prophet (saw) is a great honor for the Holy Prophet (saw) himself! WHY? since the Holy prophet's spiritual eminence was so powerful that one of his followers was so influenced by him that he was Raised in the Status of a prophet and more precisely as the Muhammadan messiah! That is a huge honor for the Holy Prophet as Mirza Saheb (as) being a Muslim Prophet proves the greatness of the Holy Prophet
also, one thing that should be noted is that the Holy Prophet (saw) is the Highest in the Hierarchy of all prophets as he has brought Islam as the Final Religion for mankind, and the Holy Quran as the Final and Perfect book which will be the ONLY book whereby one may attain nearness to GOD. Being a servant of the Holy prophet (saw), Mirza Sahib's task is to make Islam Victorious over other religion and also to make the Flag of the Holy prophet (saw) float Gloriously around the World. AMEEN.
Now i don't understand you guys. There will be no prophet after Muhammad PBUH. And for the coming of the mehdi, i m not sure about that as well. Even if we believe that Mehdi will come than the signs of the coming of the Mehdi haven't been fullfilled yet and Mr Mirza died in 1905 i think.
Mr mirza did not finish the dajjal, Mr mirza did not come into this world when the there should have been a majority of muslims, In Mr Mirza time the muslims were still better off and had a khilafah and respect, now is the time nearing the coming of a Mehdi if there has to come any( i have my doubts). I think the mehdi will come somewhere near 2025 because at that time Muslims will be the majority in the world, but as to the present the so called christians are in Majority.
LaraAkram, Can you also tell me what exactly do you understand by the term Dajjal and how do you want it to be killed by the Mahdi (of your understanding)? What sort of Khilfat and respect are you talking about before the coming of Promised Messiah (AS), please explain? watch w w w . youtube . c o m / watch?v=exQG3H589qg and there you will see the time of the coming of Mahdi according to the Hadith explained by a non-Ahmadi Molvi Tahir-ul-Qadri.
myownmedia, Ahmadi Muslims believe that the Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah of the latter days has already come in the person of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian. He is subordinate prophet of Holy Prophet PBUH. We also believe that the true Islamic Caliphate has been revived by God Almighty after the demise of the Promised Messiah. We are presently headed by the fifth Khalifa of the Promised Messiah. For more information visit W W W . A L I S L A M . O R G
All non-muslim minorities living in Pakistan have equal right on this country and everyone who has brought good name for his homeland is appreciable regardless of his religion or faith.
I contend that Dr. Abdus Salam won his Nobel Prize in 1979 *despite* being a Muslim.
And, pray tell, where are all the Muslims walking away with all the Nobel Prizes in the 33 years since? Hmmm?
Turandot29 2 weeks ago
@Turandot29 Dr. Abdus Salam belonged to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. He is the first ever Muslim nobel laureate in Science. Read up on this community and you will see the difference between us and the Muslims belonging to other sects. Why members of other sects of Islam have failed to produce anyone of any significance in scientific field is something that they can answer for themselves and not us.
IslamAhmadiya 2 days ago
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1.5 billion muslims gives you a grand total of 8 Nobel Prize winners
13 million jews gives you 166 Nobel Prize winners.
Make of this what you will, but the difference is staggering, and some of the reasons are pretty much apparent for everyone to see. One of the clearest and less controversial would have to be the fact of how far too many muslims obsess over certain groups of people and create conspiracy theories, blaming all their faults on them rather than working to grow better as people.
ogith 2 weeks ago
@XSAlexio As Ahmadiyya Muslims this is our firm belief that true science (work of God) and Quran (word of God) can never have any contradiction between each other. Those who take the word of God too literally certainly fall into error, however those who try to understand the wisdom behind the words find no contradiction in the work of God and the word of God. In contrast, the wonders of nature makes their faith firmer than ever before.
IslamAhmadiya 1 month ago
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hey didn't kill him nor could they crucify him (meaning they could neither kill Jesus on the cross as one is only declared as one being CRUCIFED if the attempt to kill him on the cross is successful. If one is put on the cross but he survives death on the cross, you call such a person being crucified.) but it was appeared to them so (he went into a state of unconciousness and his enemies thought that he was killed). They killed him not for sure. Simple as that.
TheLivepeacelove 1 month ago
then this verse of Holy Quran: "And We made the son of Mary and his mother a SIGN, and gave them REFUGE on an ELEVATED LAND OF GREEN VALLEYS AND SPRINGS OF RUNNING WATER." (Ch. 23:50/51)
TheLivepeacelove 1 month ago
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..then this verse of Holy Quran: "And We made the son of Mary and his mother a SIGN, and gave them REFUGE on an ELEVATED LAND OF GREEN VALLEYS AND SPRINGS OF RUNNING WATER." (Ch. 23:50/51)
Anybody who has seen the valleys of Kashmir knows the above mentioned description by Quran of the land where Jesus with Hadhrat Maryam found refuge matches with Kashmir valleys. This is where we believe Jesus went after a long journey that he took in search for the 10 lost tribes of Israel.
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TheLivepeacelove 1 month ago
@bsfrombk Read my previous post, as it was @ you :)
FaithFullMemory 10 months ago
@bsfrombsk From what I understood, you believe Iblis is a "best creation of Allah SWT". I feel no need to engage in a debate with you now. Shirk? If Prophet Muhammad (SAW) as it say's in the Quran is not the father of any of us, but a prophet of the Lord, a prophet for whom this universe was made, is dead, how can a ISA ibn Mariam (PBUH) a prophet confined to only the twelve tribes of Israel still be alive in heaven, waiting to descend...?
FaithFullMemory 10 months ago
Why is it a surprise Jesus is alive for such a long time if Satan the enemy of Allah is allowed to be alive for such a long time why can't one best creations of Allah stay alive for 2000 years?? Stop commitin shirk and doubting Allah's power
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk Allah's power has not been doubted, you are saying just because someone believes a more scientifically possible outcome to Isa (as) it is shirk?! If you are going to argue, to it with a rational mind and a pure heart, as Allah commands you to.
NebulousEsoteric 8 months ago
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Give me one translator who translates it in your ways
004.158
YUSUFALI: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
PICKTHAL: But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.
SHAKIR: Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
bsfrombk 1 year ago
i understand why your trying to prove Jesus died a natural death because than for you this will mean Jesus cant come back again, why you doubting Allah's power? even if i agree with your beliefs all of this is suppose to happen at the end of time, Jesus is suppose to kill Dajjal, did your guy kill dajjal? your guy came and has gone but nothing has happened, thats why these beliefs of your's are so ridiculous.
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk Please stop putting your words in my mouth. I am not doubting Allah's power, just want to find the proof of your irrational beliefs from Quran that Jesus is alive for the last 2000 years in the most supernatural circumstances. Please go slowly, we will come to the "end days" and the "Dajjal" etc. too. One by one, finish this discussion that is already in progress.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
grammar nor are you. i also checked tafsir same thing no tafsir agrees with you saying if there is please give me the reference.
And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.(4:157)
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk They didn't kill him nor could they crucify him (meaning they could neither kill Jesus on the cross as one is only declared as one being CRUCIFED if the attempt to kill him on the cross is successful. If one is put on the cross but he survives death on the cross, you call such a person being crucified.) but it was appeared to them so (he went into a state of unconciousness and his enemies thought that he was killed). They killed him not for sure. Simple as that.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
Please give the reference for you ferry tale from Quran or authentic hadith, forget authentic give it from fabricated hadiths because i want to see where this non sensical belief of your's is documented because this belief of your's is completely contradicting the Quran. i did a little research and found out that all the translators translate the verse exactly in this way with a few word changes. give me one translator who agrees with your translation because i am not an expert in arabic
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk I thought I gave you references from Quran and hadith explaining Jesus' death but you refused to accept any hadith that went against your beliefs. There you go again, and I know you will still not accept truth. Watch this 1 minute video that I made that gives reference of Jesus' death from one Quranic verse and then supporting hadith: /watch?v=Zcjqyp1Lhi4
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
...another hadith for you: God directed Jesus '0 Jesus! Move from one place to another' go from one country to another lest thou shouldst be recognised and persecuted. (Kanz-ul-Ummal Volume 2, p. 34) Then in the same book of hadiths: "Jesus always used to travel; he went from one country to another, and at nightfall wherever he was he used to eat the vegetation of the jungle and to drink pure water." (p. 71)
Would you accept the truth now?
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
...then this verse of Holy Quran: "And We made the son of Mary and his mother a SIGN, and gave them REFUGE on an ELEVATED LAND OF GREEN VALLEYS AND SPRINGS OF RUNNING WATER." (Ch. 23:50/51)
Anybody who has seen the valleys of Kashmir knows the above mentioned description by Quran of the land where Jesus with Hadhrat Maryam found refuge matches with Kashmir valleys. This is where we believe Jesus went after a long journey that he took in search for the 10 lost tribes of Israel.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
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bsfrombk 1 year ago
There no more than authentic 70 Hadith that talk about Jesus second coming but when you have your own religion it is not very hard to reject them
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk The dispute is not on the point of "second coming". The question is is if it is literal or metaphorical.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
The reason he is the only prophet is because he is the only prophet of god whose people thought he claimed divinity. He will be coming again to testify what he says in 5:116
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk This is what you think. I can give you links where even Muslims of today have indulged in great acts of Shirk. Jews indulged in acts of Shirk and this is even mentioned in hadith when Holy Prophet said in the hadith: "Curse be upon Jews and Christians who made the graves of their prophets places of worship" (Bukhari, Kitab as-Salat, p. 296) Krishan Kanahiya was a true prophet of God and he is worshipped by Hindus: /watch?v=9EBqlk4OiUE Why should they all not come back physically?
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
The Quran clearly says he was taken up but u denie that fact
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk Please enlighten us with the verse that talks about literal ascent of Jesus in the Quran. Remember when I will put the counter argument, please don't try to change the topic. It is a discussion going on between us, it is not a one way thing whre you keep on calling me a non-Muslim without having any ability to prove your point. I have not denied any fact in the Quran, I as an Ahmadi Muslim deny your absurd irrational understanding of Quran. There is a hell of difference between the two
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
When u try to quote a Hadith u give a reference. I know where you headed with the argument so y not go straight there. I already said you trying to prove his ascension dead or Alive is not even relevant because the main point his 2nd coming. Than u start telling me a ferry tale that he never died which was completely obnoxious. Why don't you answer my hadith I quoted from sahih Bukhari??
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk Its amazing to see in 21st century people like yourself consider Jesus' death like all other humans a "fairy tale" but his "literal flight somewhere up in the skies" and his supernatural life for the last 2000 years and God knows how many more, the truth. The sad part is that you hold such absurd views and then associate them with the Quran and hadith. The "second coming" is metapharical or literal, that will be decided after knowing if Jesus is dead or literally ascended to heaven.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
have you ever pondered on the question why Jesus out of all the prophets???
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk What about Jesus? His literal return? Oh yes kindly enlighten me as to why Jesus has been singled out as a prophet to be left dangling in some heaven for the last 2000 years for a flight back sometime in future. Why has he alone been stipped off his prophethood?
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
the man you follow has contricdictions in his own beliefs and made 12 or more claims throughout his life.
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk Your try number 2 to change the topic when can't debate an issue with the help of Quran and supporting hadith. You come up with all these big words but without any reference from Quran. Once a counter argument is presented to you, you simply run away. Is this the way of a true Muslim. Ask yourself with pure heart.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
your absolutely right, nobody can exclude shia sunni doebande ahle-hadith whabbi etc from Islam because they are Muslims but people that are not even inside the religion i dont see any problem. your beliefs are like saying my book is bible but i am Muslim, its pretty laughable to say the least. Jesus will not come as a prophet he will come as a ummati of Prophet(pbuh), his book will be Quran and his messenger will be Prophet, as i told you prophethood has ended.
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk Oh, you are unable to provide a single reference from Quran to back your absurd beliefs but you have become custodian of Quran! You keep on coming up with these baseless comments and then "throw me" out of Islam! Hatoo Burhanakum (Bring your proof) from Quran where Jesus' prophethood has been declared to be "temporary"! Secondly in one single hadith of Muslim, Holy Prophet declared the coming "Jesus" as Nabiullah (prophet of Allah) four times. Who are you to say otherwise?
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
even if you give me hadiths where it proves Jesus death that is still irrelevant because the main arguement is his second coming and that is clearly proven. that he will come at the end of time from authentic hadith and Quran. well when you dont believe in the Holy Prophet(pbuh) as being the last prophet than you cannot be called a Muslim. "72 out of 73 sects of ISLAM", first you have to qualify to be part of Islam to be part of those 73 sects.
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk Your arrogance surprises me. Anyway, on one instance you say that PROPHET Jesus is to come AFTER Holy Prophet again and on the other hand you say that no prophet of anykind could ever come now. It is not a matter of an old prophet returning or new prophet, you see a need of a PROPHET OF GOD AFTER HOLY PROPHET. What makes you a Muslim and you or your Mullahs the "custodians" of this faith and the ones who have the audacity to include or exclude anyone from "Islam" as they like!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
All Muslims agree upon the events i have stated about Jesus there is not a single sect of Islam who agrees with your beliefs of Jesus or some other beliefs of yours. even in your religion people have different opinions
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk My religion is Islam. Ahmadiyya Jamaat in Islam is very clear on the subject and there are no two openions about and our belief is very clear. Jesus is dead like all other prophets of God. "Anyone alive today will be dead before a hundred years have passed over it." (Muslim, Kanz Ummal, vol. 7, p. 170) If Jesus was alive at the time when Holy Prophet said this, he should have been dead in 100 years. Then this hadith: "Had Moses or Jesus been alive, they would have had to follow me."
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
first of all i have very much knowledge of this stuff but when i hear something contrary to the view point of all Muslims than it has to be called a mere belief of oneself. The experts of Arabic who translated Quran all say it appeared to be but you say otherwise who should i believe? i go into tafsir it states the same thing and when i go to hadith i see the same thing.
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk According to the hadith of Holy Prophet 72 sects out of 73 had to be on the wrong path. So if one stands against the 72 it should make you research into the subject with a pure and unprejudiced heart rather than just discarding it as a fabrication. I can give you many hadiths proving Jesus' death, but I want you to first open your heart. There is this BBC4 Documentary that you should watch: /watch?v=zqp2bgB5DmE
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
this can be a mere belief of yours but it has no place in the books of Islam. Quran in numberous places says Jesus was taking up to Allah, and also talks about the crucifixion saying that wasnt Jesus but it appeared to be so, meaning it was somebody else who Allah made to look like him.
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk Please don't pass judgements on issues that you don't have any knowledge of. Nowhere does it say in the verse that he wasn't even put on the cross and somebody else being put in his place. Verse only denies his death on the cross or killing by any other means. It only says that "walakin shubbiha lahum" (it was made to them as one dead) meaning that he went into a state of unconciousness and to onlookers it seemed as if Jesus had died. Even Quran and hadith mention his migration.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
for arguement sake even if i agree with you he was taken up dead how does that prove anything? the hadith clearly state the return of Jesus(as) at the end of time.
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk I think you are still not clear about our beliefs as to what happened to Jesus after his ordeal on the cross. We don't believe that he died or he was taken up dead at the time of crucifixion. Our belief is that Jesus was put on the cross but he didn't die of his injuies on the cross. When he was taken off the cross he was in a state of unconciousness and this was taken as his death. He was treated for his injuries by his disciples in hiding, he recovered and then migrated Eastwards.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
...He died a natural death in Kashmir after a very good old age, but not before he had completed his mission and reached to all the 12 tribes of Israel he was meant for. So the one who was awaited in ummah of Holy Prophet as "Jesus" and Imam Mahdi was actually an ummati of Holy Prophet who had to come in the likeness and character of Jesus at a time when Muslims had to become like Jews of the time of Jesus. Watch these amazing similarities between Jesus and Promised Messiah: /watch?v=muawGnCeZJ4
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
A serious look at what you believe in
Volume 9, Book 88, Number 237:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established (1) till two big groups fight each other whereupon there will be a great number of casualties on both sides and they will be following one and the same religious doctrine, (2) till about thirty Dajjals (liars) appear, and each one of them will claim that he is Allah's Apostle...
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk Keep to the topic please You are running away from the topic at hand. We will come to the signs of the latter days too, but we things will be taken one by one. I wouldn't allow you to move to another topic unless first issue is resolved and you like a true Muslim accept the folly in your beliefs. Otherwise provide evidence from Quran to disprove my point.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
completely different. All of hadith books and scholars are anonymous of Jesus return. give me one reference for your belief. its funny how your whole religion is based on this small verse of the Quran on which all Muslims of today and past agree on he was taken up alive and will return at the end of time. You have to come to the true path to be called a Muslim.
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk Watch this small video in which I quoted the verse of Quran where the word "Tawaffa" was used in reference of Jesus and supporting hadith makes it clear that this tawaffa can mean nothing but Jesus's death: /watch?v=Zcjqyp1Lhi4
My religion is Islam and it is based on the true teachings of Quran and supporting ahadith. If Majority of Muslims today oppose us then how can that is a proof of their truthfulness? Infact it shows our truthfulness: /watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo (A must watch)
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
in Arabic there is something called the study of taking into context, you yourself is saying in other places in the Quran it a different meaning. Moula has 25 different meanings but when taken into context can mean friend, slave, master or etc. Imam as we all know means a person whose head of a mosque but in the Quran the torah has been called a imam. Your claim of Jesus not coming back is no where to be found in the Quran or hadith, you claim these are your two sources but your beliefs are
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk I have explained to you the two meanings of Tawaffa in their context from the Holy Quran. If you can provide me even a single example from Quran (other than the mention of Jesus) where word Tawaffa has been used and it means other than death (without having qualifying words to explain its meaning) bring it up and I will agree with your interpretation as being true. I have never denied the coming of Promised Messiah (infact I believe he has already come) only his identity differs frm u.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
where it says Allah takes away the souls of humans when they are in sleep metaphorically. 99% scholars throughout the history of Islam have agreed that Jesus was taken up alive so this not even a question. I don’t understand how this is so important though. Let’s move on to mirza ghulam because this is the main point where people including me and others call you people kafir, clarify this for me what is mirza ghulam is he a prophet and a mahdi or just a prophet or etc…
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk The issue of Jesus is very important in Islam because there is clear reference of a "Jesus" in the ummah of Holy Prophet who has also been called Imam Mahdi by Holy Prophet in his ahadith. If you don't believe Jesus died like all other prophets, then you are waiting for the same Jesus of Nazareth to literally descend from the skies, and that is never going to happen, and as a result you reject the one who truly has come in his likeness.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
Hold your horses before you accuse anyone of a crime because these are translators who understand Arabic from inside out whereas me and you don’t know a word of Arabic. The word is Mutawaffi and the root word is tawaffa which means “to take and to receive” or “to seize the soul” in the metaphorical meaning, so in this sense it means Allah recalled Isa (as) from his mission. The word tawaffa is used in another verse of the Quran,
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk Well I don't know about you, but I have studied this word tawaffa in great length. The word "tawaffa" or words with same root have been mentioned 25 times in Quran. No less than 23 times it is taken in the meaning of "death". The only two times when it is taken in the meaning of "taking away of soul at the time of sleep" is when qualifying words "Naum" (sleep) and "Lail" (night) have been used to clarify its meaning. There is no such word used in case of Jesus' tawaffa. Open you heart!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
I never said Isa(as) is alive I said he was taking up alive, there is no evidence what happened to him after his ascension, we also know he will return at the end of time. He told Jesus, "I will save you from your enemies, raise you to Myself, keep you clean from the association with the disbelievers, and give superiority to your followers over the unbelievers until the Day of Judgment. On that day you will all return to Me and I shall resolve your dispute. (3-55)
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk You translated the word "Mutawaffeeka" in this verse (3:55/56) as ""I will save you from your enemies". This is a translation that is nowhere to be found for this word in Arabic. "Mutawaffeeka" (I will give you wafaat/natural death) never ever means to say "save you from your enemies". So the person who translated this verse as such has done a great crime by changing its meaning. So this verse actually is talking about Jesus' natural death. Please bring some other proof from Quran.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
Jesus taken up alive and his come back I agree with, there is no disagreement there. I need clarification from u, u didn't mention the believe in hadith, is that true?? If u do than which Hadith books u take. Let me mention some Your Kalima? How many namaz's your pray?
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk As I mentioned earlier, Quran remains first and ultimate source of guidance for us. Sunnah comes second and then the hadith. Sunnah and hadith have to be read and understood in light of Quranic teachings. Hadith of our beloved Prophet (pbuh) can never contradict Quran. If there seems some contradiction between Quran and hadith, then either we are misunderstanding the issue, hadith is misunderstood, mistranslated, read out of context or simply fabricated. Isa is alive? Quranic evidence?
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
Good list ur beliefs one by one and I'll prove ur beliefs are out of the line of Islam
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk I thought we can start with any belief of your liking but if you wish, we can start with the non-Ahmadiyya belief that Jesus was literally ascended to heaven and he is alive for the last 2000 years or so waiting for his literal return/descent. Bring your proof from Quran because according to my Ahmadiyya beliefs Jesus just like all other prophets of God has died. All prophets who come for the guidance of mankind come as Bashar (humans). They don't fly around etc.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
This claim of your's raises a lot of questions, when imam Mahdi is suppose to come there are some obvious things that are suppose to happen but it seems with Mirza Ghulam it wasn't the case. You claim Your books are Quran and Hadith, prove it from these books because they are crystal clearly contradicting what you guys believe.
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk You are claiming that our beliefs contradict with the teachings of Quran and hadith, so onus of proof lies on your shoulders. Lets take our beliefs one by one and see whose beliefs truly are in line with the teachings of Quran and hadith. Remember Quran remains our first and ultimate source of guidance and hadith has to be read in light of the teachings of Quran. To me my beliefs as an Ahmadi Muslim are the true representation of Islam on earth today with the grace of Allah.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
that what is the position of mirza ghulam??
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk To us Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) is the same Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah whose advent was prophesised by our beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) more than 1400 years ago. Holy Prophet declared the coming Messiah (Jesus metaphorically) and Imam Mahdi titles of one and the same person and a Nabiullah & Khalifatullah. So the Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah had to be a non-lawbearing prophet within the ummah of Holy Prophet in his subordination fo the purpose of Islam's revival today
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@islamAhmadiya
I want to know what are the divine books in your religion?
bsfrombk 1 year ago
@bsfrombk Our religion is Islam, our Prophet is Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) and our Book is Holy Quran. Ahmadiyyat is nothing but Islam in its most prestine form today in this age of utter spiritual darkness.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
He was a great brain in science and a no-brain in religion...For the record,Ahmadis or Qadianis or Mirzais are non-muslims as declared in the constitution of Pakistan 1973.Anyone who does not accept Hazrat Muhammad(S.A.W.)as the last prophet of Allah cannot be a muslim.And Mirza Qadiyani was a sick crook.
ninasabin 1 year ago
@ninasabin Majority of non-Ahmadi Muslims believe in the coming of Prophet Jesus AFTER Holy Prophet. Regardless if he is new or old prophet, they see a need of a prophet AFTER Holy Prophet. Does that mean that there is not a single Muslim in the world as none of them believe in Holy Prophet being the last prophet of all kinds. For God's sake, come out of your hypocrisy and try to learn Islam with wisdom and rationality. Don't make Islam a laughing stock with your absurdities.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
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@ninasabin I will only quote a Hadith on the definition of a Muslim. Let me know please if you take this as inferior to the Constitution of Pakistan.
"Whoever prays like us and faces our Qiblah and eats our slaughtered animals is a Muslim and is under Allah’s and His Messenger’s protection. So do not betray Allah by betraying those who are in His protection." [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8 Salat, Number 386]
KJAK007 1 year ago
who says he was a Muslim.Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is alo a curse n his followers a curse as wel ultimately
dosonodo 1 year ago
@dosonodo You are just leaving ignorant, hateful and prejudiced statements without any authority. Discuss the issue with me in light of Quran and see who is a curse and who is a blessing!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
He was a Pakistani but at the same time a curse as wel.hate foes of Islam.
dosonodo 1 year ago
@dosonodo Sorry, who are you calling a "foe of Islam" here? Lets discuss this rationally in detail with humility!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
Fuck All Of Qadianissss..
Tum Logo Pe Allah Ki Lanat hay
sobarbacha 1 year ago
@sobarbacha To you your "Islam" and to me My Islam.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
he is a pakistan
mark12345678965 1 year ago
the greatest Ahmadi pakistan Dr. Abdus Salam in noble prize ceremony 1979.
ahsan6778 1 year ago
he was a pakistani ... dats it ! it doesnt matter what is his ethnicity
PROUD TO HAVE SUCH A GREAAAAAT PEOPLE IN PAKISTAN
PROUD TO BE A PAKISTANI
Dr.Abdus Salam is my inspiration
he should be our nation's inspiration !
NabiNaseem143 1 year ago
i proud abdus salam is Ahmadiyya and i also ahmadiyya
saraali200914 1 year ago
i am not ahmadiyya
but im incredibly proud to have abdus salam associated with our country; those who are going against them inshallah will be defeated
gjack80 1 year ago
I feel proud of being Pakistani. Does not matter who he was. But he is the one who raised Green & White Flag on top of the knowledge world.
shaikhsb 1 year ago
u said that u don,t know the history
MrSyedzulfiqar 2 years ago
Syed, There is a big communication gap between us unfortunately. Either I am not able to put my point accross to you or you are not getting my point at all. I never suggested that I don't know the history, rather I was reffering to your lack of knowledge (not in any arrogance ofcourse) on the subject.
IslamAhmadiya 2 years ago
@IslamAhmadiya ,,u r pakistani and i am pakistani so we r brothers,,it does,nt matter that i am shia and u r ahmadia,,sunni ..........just think we pakistani,and 1 more,,,,,,,,,,,, i wanna say that ,,when u come to youtube just say i am muslim and pakistani because other religion is watching this video,,i mean hindu christian ,and more
MrSyedzulfiqar 2 years ago 7
Brother Syed, I totally agree with you that as Pakistani we are brothers and it doesn't matter if you are shia, sunni, hindu, jew or whatever as long as you don't impose your way of thinking on others by force. This is what ISLAM teaches me. I am originally a Pakistani and a loyal citizen of that country because this is what ISLAM teaches me. The reason why I prefer to put Ahmadiyya Muslim as my true identity is to distinguise myself from others who also call them Muslims but they do not...
IslamAhmadiya 2 years ago
@IslamAhmadiya
" The reason why I prefer to put Ahmadiyya Muslim as my true identity is to distinguise myself from others who also call them Muslims but they do not.. "
The do not...What??
sahabji 1 year ago
sahabji, Check my other comment in the continuation of my previous comment. It starts with ...
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago 2
@IslamAhmadiya
I did. But I still didn't get what do you mean by "They do not".
sahabji 1 year ago
...come even close to the true values that Islam teaches. They don't even know what humanity means. Ahmadiyya Community is the only Jamaat in Islam or even any other sect of any other religion that works tirelessly under one leadership of Khilafat as a unit to represent the true picture of Holy Prophet (peace be on him) and Islam to the world. We not only say these things, we show the true picture of Islam through our character Alhamdolillah. Watch this 3 part video: /watch?v=lWVqtk_pkLI
IslamAhmadiya 2 years ago
@MrSyedzulfiqar.... What do you mean, you should say just pakistani and muslim, I am a christian and a Pakistani, we and our whole community serve pakistan and will continue our services, how you dare to speak like this to belong pakistan just for muslim...you have pathatic mind
rithi05 1 year ago
@rithi05 ,,if u r pakistani christian ,,so i will respect u too much,,we r brothers,,i dont like europian christian,because they r not good with pakistan,,,,,,but christian is a good religion
MrSyedzulfiqar 1 year ago
he is a famous person of pakistani history,,and i wanna say just write his name ,,dr abdus salam,,,don,t say,, ahmadia abdus salam,,,b,cause we r pakistani ,,,it does,nt matter that he is ahmadiya ,sunni ,shia ,hindu,,muslim,,,we r pakistani and proud to be a pakistani
MrSyedzulfiqar 2 years ago
Mrzulfiqar, He was not only the first Pakistani to have ever been awarded with nobel prize but also the first ever Muslim too. So his religious identity is very very important. Above all, he always quoted the Holy Quran in order to back his scientific discoveries. He is the only person in the history of Nobel Prize ceremonies who quoted the Holy Quran in his speech at the time of his prize ceremony. So I feel the special need of putting his identity as Ahmadi Muslim in the title.
IslamAhmadiya 2 years ago
@IslamAhmadiya ,,,so u mean he is ahmadiya thats why he quoted the holy Quran,,,,,,no sir,,,,u know that abdul sattar edhi and osama bin laden belong to same religion,,,osama is a big tererist and edhi is a good person who helping poor people,,,don,t think that he is ahmadi ,,think that he is pakistani and muslim ,,,,, he is scientist because of pakistan not because of ahmadia
MrSyedzulfiqar 2 years ago
MrSyed, I have no problem if Abdus Sattar Edhi is called a Pakistani Muslim if his actions telly with the teachings of Islam. Late Dr. Abdus Salam always used to say that Quran inspired him to the theory that led him to win the noble prize. So he was a scientist and such a successful one because he was an Ahmadi Muslim. So I am very glad and proud to call him as Ahmadi Muslim Pakistani Scientist. If this title hurts you, then you can upload your own video with a title of your liking!
IslamAhmadiya 2 years ago
u know that ,,why abdus salam is not in pakistan now,,just because of some shit people,who calls him ahmadia
MrSyedzulfiqar 2 years ago
Syed, He is not in Pakistan now because he has passed away. He wasn't appreciated by the Pakistanis though when he was alive because of his religious background. I don't think you know the history though.
IslamAhmadiya 2 years ago
u know where he got his noble prize???
MrSyedzulfiqar 2 years ago
Syed, He got his noble prize where it is given!
IslamAhmadiya 2 years ago
@IslamAhmadiya ,,i know ,,from sweden he got his noble price,,
MrSyedzulfiqar 2 years ago
Syed, So what is your point brother?
IslamAhmadiya 2 years ago
Its very shameful that pakistan did not respect Pro.Salam (a world renowned scientist). I think Pro.Salam should have born in England or America where those people admire their scientist.
People like Pro.Abdus Salam are born once in 1000 years.
tomkibble55 2 years ago
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he got a nobel prize because he was born in india even though he was to die a pakistani. that is the magic of india. if he were born in fata or some f... up place in pakistan he would have been a suicide bomber.
olebaj 2 years ago
olebaj, What do you know of him by the way? He was born before the partition but in Jhang. Jhang resides in the Pakistani part of indian subcontinent. Dr. Salam always kept PAKISTANI passport, didn't even accept dual nationality offered to him by some western countries. I am a Pakistani and an Ahmadi Muslim. I am not a suicide bomber. Please don't leave such ignorant, stupid and extremist comments here. This is certainly not a very nice way of representing your country.
IslamAhmadiya 2 years ago
A muslim calling me stupid??? that's ridiculous. Muslims are the most ignorant, stubborn, fanatical living beings walking planet earth. They cannot think for themselves as they have been programmed not to by a fake prophet who has drilled scare into them of after life. So STFU
olebaj 2 years ago
olebaj, I can only see you here showing complete ignorant, fanatical and stubborn behaviour. It seems to me that you have let yourself be programmed not to think for yourself and be blinded by the prejudice spread by those who thrive on keeping the truth being hidden. Listen to these non-Muslims who know the facts about this Muslim community and who are blinded like yourself:
/watch?v=ayLE246pVC8
IslamAhmadiya 2 years ago
الي الامام يا خدام الامام المهدي والمسيح الموعود.......انتم امل الامة الاسلامية وعدتها......جاء المسيح عيسي ابن مريم والناس غافلون....الله المستعان
afafsoliman5 2 years ago
He was wearing the same turban here that he wore as a kid at the age of 14 when he was graduating....He never saw a light bulb till the age of 15! - amazing man
linmgo 2 years ago 3
Islam Ahmadiyyat Zinda Baad.
jhelummi 2 years ago 4
that da bless of all!!
MrDeen1991 2 years ago
hes the only one wearing his national dress, what an ill fated country that denied oppurtunity to a man of such distinction and such love and patriotism, what a sad moment for Pakistan for him to die in another country.
SIGH! when will we learn!
umistarian 2 years ago
@umistarian
why did he have to die in another country?
olebaj 2 years ago
And as far as youre say that this is not relative to Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmads (as) claim as the Promised Messiah than please, by all means list some contributions worth comparing with Ahmadis that the Muslim population has bestowed upon mankind post Promised Messiahs (as) prophecy.
RehanTanvir 2 years ago
MashAllah, your intelligence is clearly visible from the childish question you pose. Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmads (as) prophecy was that his followers will excel in knowledge and wisdom. That does not at all mean each and everything new to mankind will be inaugurated by the hands of Ahmadis. In fact, thats the most lame assumption one can make. He was a Muslim and thus his followers EXCELED in various fields of knowledge, as an example, achieving the Noble Peace Prize as the first Muslim.
RehanTanvir 2 years ago
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You Ahmedi guys are blinded by your love to Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. He was a Normal man juist like you and me. He took advanatage of teh situation and served the british rulers like a good humble servant serves his master. There is nothing but falsehood and blind belief on Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. First Mirza ghulam claimed to be Hazrat Esa then when he realized this won't work he became a Mehdi. and then he became a branched Prophet, lol. WAKE UP AHMEDIS.
LaraAkram 2 years ago
LaraAkram, You have not responded correctly to even a single question that I posed at you. You have contineously been coming up with new ill informed accusations. Why don't you do a civilised, educated and intelligent discussion with me rather than leaving these fabricated, out of context and prejudiced filled anti-Ahmadiyya filth. If you are a Muslim then better act like a Muslim too and do a humble arrogant free discussion with be that is based on Taqwah and honesty.
IslamAhmadiya 2 years ago
I'm Extremely sorry. I will get back to you with Taqwah and honesty.
LaraAkram 2 years ago
Dr. Abdus Salam zindabad! But he was not a Muslim, neither are you. Stop believing Mr. Mirza Saab as your prophet and only believe in Muhammad S.A.W.
LaraAkram 2 years ago
LaraAkram, Thank you for appreciating Dr. Salam's achievements. However, why do you say that we are not Muslims? We do believe in Holy Prophet PBUH more than any other Muslims because we have listened and obeyed to his words to recognise and accept the truth of his Ummah's Messiah when he comes. It were the words of Holy Prophet PBUH that when the Mahdi and Messiah comes one must pass his PBUH salam to him and do bait on his hands even if one has to travel through glaciers on one's knees.
IslamAhmadiya 2 years ago
Yes i know you believe in the Holy Prophet S.A.W but you don't believe in him as the last Messenger. As for me, i don't believe in the second coming of the Messiah just like you guys believe. But you guys believe Mr Mirza to be the Mehdi and you guys also believe him to be the last prophet.
LaraAkram 2 years ago
LaraAkram, We do believe Holy Prophet PBUH to be the Last law-bearing Prophet. We believe Promised Messiah/Imam Mahdi to be the subordinate prophet of Holy Prophet whose purpose was to revive the true spirit of Islam at the time when Islam was just in name and not in its spirit according to the prophecy of Holy Prophet. We don't believe that Promised Messiah is the last prophet, you have been misinformed. As for your belief about Messiah's return I would like to know more. Jazak Allah.
IslamAhmadiya 2 years ago
one of the thing u guys do not really understand! to have a Messiah raised in the Ummah of the Holy Prophet (saw) is a great honor for the Holy Prophet (saw) himself! WHY? since the Holy prophet's spiritual eminence was so powerful that one of his followers was so influenced by him that he was Raised in the Status of a prophet and more precisely as the Muhammadan messiah! That is a huge honor for the Holy Prophet as Mirza Saheb (as) being a Muslim Prophet proves the greatness of the Holy Prophet
sadjid19 2 years ago
also, one thing that should be noted is that the Holy Prophet (saw) is the Highest in the Hierarchy of all prophets as he has brought Islam as the Final Religion for mankind, and the Holy Quran as the Final and Perfect book which will be the ONLY book whereby one may attain nearness to GOD. Being a servant of the Holy prophet (saw), Mirza Sahib's task is to make Islam Victorious over other religion and also to make the Flag of the Holy prophet (saw) float Gloriously around the World. AMEEN.
sadjid19 2 years ago
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Now i don't understand you guys. There will be no prophet after Muhammad PBUH. And for the coming of the mehdi, i m not sure about that as well. Even if we believe that Mehdi will come than the signs of the coming of the Mehdi haven't been fullfilled yet and Mr Mirza died in 1905 i think.
LaraAkram 2 years ago
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Mr mirza did not finish the dajjal, Mr mirza did not come into this world when the there should have been a majority of muslims, In Mr Mirza time the muslims were still better off and had a khilafah and respect, now is the time nearing the coming of a Mehdi if there has to come any( i have my doubts). I think the mehdi will come somewhere near 2025 because at that time Muslims will be the majority in the world, but as to the present the so called christians are in Majority.
LaraAkram 2 years ago
LaraAkram, Can you also tell me what exactly do you understand by the term Dajjal and how do you want it to be killed by the Mahdi (of your understanding)? What sort of Khilfat and respect are you talking about before the coming of Promised Messiah (AS), please explain? watch w w w . youtube . c o m / watch?v=exQG3H589qg and there you will see the time of the coming of Mahdi according to the Hadith explained by a non-Ahmadi Molvi Tahir-ul-Qadri.
IslamAhmadiya 2 years ago
That is true. We are quite different from the rest of the Muslims of today.
bilalbusy 2 years ago
myownmedia, Ahmadi Muslims believe that the Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah of the latter days has already come in the person of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian. He is subordinate prophet of Holy Prophet PBUH. We also believe that the true Islamic Caliphate has been revived by God Almighty after the demise of the Promised Messiah. We are presently headed by the fifth Khalifa of the Promised Messiah. For more information visit W W W . A L I S L A M . O R G
bilalbusy 2 years ago
All non-muslim minorities living in Pakistan have equal right on this country and everyone who has brought good name for his homeland is appreciable regardless of his religion or faith.
PakMehran 2 years ago
he was a ahmadiyya
23sfrb 2 years ago
Mashallah.. He was a great Hero
Basalatahmad12 2 years ago 7
Mashallah!
aahmed2990 3 years ago 8
Dr. Salaam, whatever ur religion is, We, Pakistani are proud of you. Dr. salaam, ur one of my physicist hero!
thnk you, im becomin an astrophysicist.
ironstealer87 3 years ago 5
Allhumdolillah
AhmadiyyaTrueIslam 3 years ago 2