@corngrohlio i believe he is letting the clutch out slowly... so it does not feel like he is being thrown forward as if he let the clutch out all at once.
@existenz55 ...good job on showing everyone how knowledgeable you are when it comes to motorcycles... maybe if you did some research you would understand that the tranny on a car and on a bike are like apples and oranges... or carrots and potatoes... or ying and yang... easter bunny and the tooth fairy....... 32 characters remaining 87654321
Dude, I don't know how you can downshift like that without blipping - must feel like you're going to be thrown over on every downshift... I'm only just getting used to my ZX6R slipper clutch and still don't feel comfortable doing that!
I don't understand why you don't blip on the down change? All blipping does is save wear on your clutch by matching the speed of the engine side and gearbox side thus prolonging the life of your clutch.
@tomikmhovo Probably not, he is very skilled with the throttle. I learned to do this with throttle hit, is easy once you understand what happens on the gearbox when you are accelerating.
@tomikmhovo dont need a quick shifter to change up gears, when your going along get your foot under the gear lever gently put pressure on and when your ready to change gear quickly blip the throttle and push the lever up ;) i do it all the time works at any speed
@Detc0re No rev matching or blipping. As soon as I roll off I want to click my down shifts and I do this early. I want them done and not wait until I'm tipping in.
@existenz55 I've been riding a CBR250R for a couple months now and i'm only 17yrs old, I use a technique called "powershifting" and it allows to shift without using the clutch and does not harm the transmission. It is also a widely known technique. But I learned not to powershift on downshifts because it grinds the gears pretty hard.
@Shoyukun89123 Powershifting is a car shifting technique in which you don't take your foot off the gas when shifting gears. You might be doing proper clutchless upshifts, but I wouldn't call it powershifting.
@Shoyukun89123 Yes, you are totaly right. I know you can do it (in a race for money...) but sooner or later it will crumble your gearbox and will break it.
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You always should use the clutch to shit up. Dont listen to this guy. You will break your transmisions if you dont use the clutch. You can do it in extreme ocesions (like if you have braked your clutch handle) but only so you can get to a garage. ALWAYS USE YOUR CLUTCH FOR UP and DOWN SHIFTING.
@existenz55 not true. Upshifting without a clutch when done properly is not hard on the tranny. I would recommend using the clutch on downshifts however. So you are 50% correct in your statement. But, by all means, if you feel more comfortable using the clutch for every upshift, then use it. I have no problem either way.
I am not saying that it will break your transmision imediantly. I am saying that if you always do it that way you will break your transmision very fast. I had a Suzuki GSXR 750 from 92 and never done anything for the transmision for 10 years by using the clutch for changing the gear up or down. Ask any one that rides bike for at least 2 years and they will tell you to ALWAYS use the clutch for changing gear. Take the course for a driver license and they will say the same.
@existenz55 I have an '02 GSXR750 with over 25k miles of clutchless upshifts, and the tranny still engages perfectly. Motorcycle transmissions are SIGNIFICANTLY different than car transmissions, and are designed to deal with clutchless shifts. By "the course for a driver license" do you mean cars? Cuz yea.....its hard on cars to shift that way, but motorcycle transmissions don't have synchros like a car does.
@kickblake In my country, if you want to ride biger bikes then 50cc you have to go to a course and take a exam. I was talking about license to drive a bike. There the instuctor always tells you to shift gears using the clutch if you want to keep your gearbox and clutch in good condition. Also they tell you to always use the kill switch on the bike so you get to know where its located in case of a emergency.
@existenz55 Its the same with the cars. Because we always shift gears with the clutch but if you are skilled you can get gear out and gear in without the clutch.
@existenz55 downshifting yeh, for the most part use the clutch, but i pretty much never use the cluctch for upsifting, never needed a new gear box of clutch. it not gonna brake anything. you do know about constant mech boxes and alikes dont you??
@existenz55 I dont know for sure but alot of sport atvs/mx bikes, and motorcycles have straight cut gears?upshifting clutchless, does no damage to the transmission, just need smooth shifts.
@barcaj1288 Shifting into higher gears can also shift without the clutch by applying a gentle upward pressure to the shift lever and then backing off on the throttle slightly. The transmission should then shift into the next gear. (DOING THIS INCORRECTLY COULD SHRED YOUR GEAR SO IT ISNT ADVISED UNTIL YOU ARE COMFORTABLE AND BE ABLEi TO SHIFT GEARS NORMALLY)
FROM MY DRIVER LICENSE TECHER THAT HAS BEEN RIDING FOR 30 YEARS.
@HALILYILMAZ2010 No. you just roll off throttle briefly and simultaneously move the shift lever with your foot. It will move into the next gear effortlessly. If you read thru the other comments I have explained in more detail somewhere else in here. It's very easy to do and it is easy on your clutch and transmission when done right. Try it!
@123kensi If your bike is in first gear, before you turn it on you need to have the clutch in... otherwise it needs to be in neutral... so yes u still need the clutch to go..
@123kensi Not sure I understand your first question. If I'm street riding, and come to a stop, I keep the bike in first gear and watch my mirrors in case I need to move. Shifting down you need to use the clutch, shifting up you may or may not use the clutch. I don't use the clutch on up shifts.
@Trojan020 like when you stop in first gear and shut off the motor then you turn it back on do u still like need the clutch to go or can u just go be cause ur in first gear
so highering gears are on right hand and downshift is on left foot ? and clutch is on left hand ?? if im not right please tell and one more thing where is throhle (gas pedal or smth )
What? Upshifting and downshifting is handled with the left foot. The right food controls the rear brake. The left hand controls the clutch. The right hand controls the front brake. The right hand (by twisting) controls the throttle.
Is there a reason when you downshift that you let the clutch out slow? What I thought your suppose to do is dump the clutch after you blip the throttle
@shalukuttan letting the clutch out slow on the last downshift allows you to stay in control. If we were to just drop the clutch, we can't manage the rear wheel as it tries to match engine speed. Even with slipper clutches we should try to control the rear wheel with our left hand. Also, think about if you are leaned over and need to make a downshift. Be smooth with the clutch.
Hey man do you work for the california superbike school, because they teach us this technique, finally a man on youtube that knows what he is doing! :D
@hollywoodblueprint I think I need to run 2 cameras. One on my left foot and on my left hand that are synched so you can see exactly what is happening when. But unfortunately I don't have that set-up.
@hollywoodblueprint You are able to do it by letting off the gas for a brief moment to let the RPMs drop and then you shift into the next higher gear. It is critical to match the RPMs just right in-order to successfully shift into the next gear or risk grinding them. You can do it in cars too, it took me several months to become familar what the RPMs are at what speeds and in what gear. It's possible to downshift too, but it is harder to do.
@BMXBOBO you can upshift without the clutch because when you briefly roll off the throttle, it unloads the transmission and you can seamlessly snick into the next gear. It causes no harm to the transmission when done correctly.
you seem to know what your talking about (whether i don´t understand everything :D)
so I´d like to ask you sth. I´m driving a 125 yzf-r for half a year now and of course im trying to be rossi ;D but to be like him i also should be able to ride my bike pretty good. I understood the clutch partly yet and i think my shifting is okay but not as fast as i want it to be. so I´m asking u is it possible to clutchless upshift and doing clutch bombs at wheelies with a 125ccm without damaging anything?
for the most part you are downshifting pretty well by letting out the clutch smoothly, but you really should blip the throttle when you downshift. and use the fucking clutch when you upshift! like goddamn, id hate to be the one paying every time you need a new clutch. i do clutchless upshifts in wheelies and thats it. not trying to hate on you man, im just sayin.
@theHansinator when done correctly clutchless upshifts do not damage anything. He clearly is revmatching when he downshifts or he would be locking the rear tire and crashing.
@EugeneF15 unfortunately I do not rev match or blip. Check out the video of Jason Pridmore and his downshifting. I am utilizing the same technique as him, just in a more lazy fashion. You are correct about the upshifts.
@Trojan020 so this technique is probly bad for your clutch since it is not a slipper but will help you on the track because you can be more smooth with the throttle? the video does not really explain anything
@EugeneF15 What this video is trying to explain is how to pull in and release the clutch. It shows that you do not need to pull the lever all the way in to downshift. It shows how to be smooth with the release of the clutch lever. It helps people understand that the clutch is a very important aspect of riding a motorcycle fast. Many just disregard the clutch and do not perfect control of it. Every time I go out i try to advance my knowledge of the clutch.
@theHansinator clutchless upshifts done correctly do not harm the transmission. In fact, when it comes to the clutch, it's easier on the plates to perform clutchless upshifts when you are at full throttle. I cannot do an upshift fast enough to use the lever to then have the clutch catch up with the wheels/motor/transmission. THAT will harm a clutch. I owned this bike for 5 years and never needed to replace the clutch. It was always within spec.
@theHansinator why dont you take your infinite wisdom to Dynojet and tell them about why you should use the clutch. and while youre there get directions to Bazzaz and let him know hes doing it wrong too. Hes Mladins former crewchief btw.
@yoonghan13 not necessarily. Ideally T1 in this video would be 3 downshifts, T4 would be 1 downshift, T7 would be 2 downshifts, T9 would be 1 downshift.
@yoonghan13 the blue lever is to adjust how far away or close the clutch lever is to the bar. It allows smaller hands or larger hands to have a more comfortable clutch pull.
@kray2511 Wie geht's, kray2511? No, you do not need to use the clutch when upshifting. By rolling off the throttle briefly and simultaneously shifting as the transmission is unloaded, you can shift without the clutch. It is fast and it does no damage to the transmission when done correctly. Viel spass. Tschuss....
@crazyphilly555 your timing could be off and you try to rush your upshift prior to unloading the transmission by rolling off. You could "grind" the gears. Most of the time you just can't move to the next gear, but, sometimes it doesn't engage fully and you get false neutral.
@crazyphilly555 when you slightly roll off the throttle, the engine is no longer driving the bike forward and it briefly unloads the transmission and it will allow you to snick it into the next gear.
yes when you blip the gas a little to down shift basically all you are doing is matching the higher RPM for the lower gear. if you down shift an no gas and let the clutch out it will almost feel like you apply the break and what that is doing is the gears are turning the motor to a higher RPM when you down shift and when you get good at it you will know how much to blip the throttle to match the RPM of the lower gear
so if I do understand completely, I dont have to pull the clutch at all when I'm shifting gear up. Only when I'm comin down the shifts that I have to use my clutch? I'm a first time rider so things are not sitting well for me yet. I'm hearing so many controversies when it comes to everyone's riding style and techniques. Honestly I like yours so far. So should I keep it for street ridding as well? no clutch going up the gears?
The term blipping the throttle is slightly confusing to me. What I've found recently is that when I down shift I can do them near perfectly by having the throttle at about 10% (cruising throttle, no deceleration or acceleration) and then pulling the clutch and down shifting and letting the clutch out. A blip is a really small amount of throttle right?
@BlackFlag94 it becomes a feel thing. It's not like you need to rev it to the moon, but it's usually about 500-1000rpm for you blippers. I generally dont blip, only in very tricky situations. Most normal downshifts that I do are without blipping.
I could blip the throttle on 50s easy, but on my 125 i just cant get it right, it's as if it doesn't need it but going from 2nd to 1st it'll lock up under heavy braking. And I also cant keep the braking constant when i blip the throttle.... thanks though
@BlackFlag94 it's always going to be difficult to go into 1st gear no matter what bike you are riding, unless first gear is really tall, or you have the ability to change your gearbox for specific tracks. That's the why you have to be diligent with the left hand and not just drop the clutch on release. FYI, I can't blip either, so I don't. What you see in the video is all I'm doing. I'm not blipping, just squeezing the brake.
Well that depends if you're blipping to match speeds between the selector and the gear... or if you're blipping to match speeds between the clutch basket and the inner hub. That means if you're tryna keep the gearbox intact, or if you're tryna keep from locking up the rear wheel. If it's the former, the blip before touching the shift pedal. If it's the latter, then shift before you re-engage the clutch.
Makes me feel good to know I'm not the only person in the world who uses four fingers on the clutch B-) BTW what track is PIR? I tried googling it but I found a lot of tracks that fit the acronym.
@Trojan020 Thanks! Wanted to know so I could find the track map, that place looks like FUN. Just got off of Virginia International Raceway North course this past Monday so I'm still hyped about tracks B-)
@Islandsoundzz it is safe when done correctly. It might take a few times for you to get the timing and hang of it, but it is not difficult nor hard on the tranny/engine. In fact it is easier on the clutch plates, especially when going fast with hard acceleration. Using the clutch on upshifts like that each time the clutch plates must catch up to the motor and it slips while trying to do so. Quick shifters do the same thing I'm doing here, except the electronics retard the timing.
so it like what i do in my car i just let off the gas a little take it outta gear, rest it on the next gear up till it falls in nice and smooth. am i right?
nice vid:D it would be cool to see what is going on with the right hand at the same time. but what is a slipper cluch? and if you don't have a slipper cluch, what kind of cluch do you have then?
like is all bikes the same and i mean shifting wise, what is the gears because people tell me different things....like when u have your bike off how do u know it is in neutral i mean wud it say it on the rpm....
alright, i keep hearing different things. some people say, "you have to clutch when upshfiting or you will ruin your engine" and some say "no you only have to use the clutch coming from first, or downshifting" then i see this guy not clutching when he upshifts... whats the real answer?
You do not have to use the clutch on upshifts. When I am on the street, I will use the clutch on upshifts, because I'm just not going fast enough to warrant the clutchless upshifts. When riding fast it is actually easier on the transmission and clutch pack. Every time you pull in the clutch while accellerating the clutch plates have to catch up to the speed of the bike/tire when the clutch re-ingages. Time it right and you can do CLess downshifts as well.
hey..got a question...wen im on da 5th gear ( my bike's got 5 gears )...nd my rpm is pretty high...nd i wanna slow down...do i ease of da throttle nd den wen da rpm drops pull the clutch in nd drop down a gear...or do i jus directly hold da clutch in nd shift a gear down...da other day ..i was on da 5th gear ..i eased of da throttle nd held da clutch in ..da rpm jus dropped to 0 all of a sudden..nd dere was dis weird engine noise...the noise u get wen u noe ur done sumtin wrong..plz help! .....
Just pulling in the clutch and having the RPMs drop to zero should not have a weird engine noise. But to answer your first question the object is to know your gear and know your RPMs at all times in all conditions. A bike likes higher RPMs it works better in the higher RPM range. So in 5th gear and I want to click to 4th gear, I would just begin to roll off and simultaneously pull in the clutch and drop the one gear shift and gently release the clutch. The object is to not lose your RPMs.
@Trojan020 hey can u help me out on the whole gear thing cuz i have ride mii friend bike and i was ok but i didnt know what i was doing...like i knew it was in first when i started it up and but after that i was confused....
Good question. When riding around a parking lot it is very important. But, I'm still letting it out slowly around the track, especially the last shift in each sequence. I do not just let go. In fact I'm holding it in the friction zone all the way to the apex in most areas. This allow for much more control. Go to the 5:05 mark and watch the subsequent 3 downshifts. The first 2 are very quick, the third one is held to modulate my entry speed as I'm still braking. Does that help?
I know what you mean.... I was doing 60 in 5th gear on a 125 and DOWN shifted too quickly and the back wheel seized up for about 1.5 seconds IT WAS BLOODY SCARY
Nope. You can hear the shifts on the front straight as I exit the last corner. Notice my hand is not using the clutch on these up shifts, only on the downshifts. To do a clutchless upshift, you must unload the transmission. To do this you briefly roll off the throttle, while simultaneously shifting up a gear. It's a coordinated effort and will take some practice. I'll do it on the street in the taller gears, but the lower gears are difficult on the street. Going too slow! ;)
Clutchless upshifts all day on my dirt bike. Also on supermoto. Definitely use it when downshifting for those nice controled slides into the corner. Nothing sweeter than the sound of a bike engine doing work. Great vid!!
yeah well i can do it in my car, just go into neutral, and push a bit into next gear, and revmatch, the gear enguage itselft easily... but on a bike, i don't know... its a sequential tranny... you dont go in neutral... Well I'll try it next time I ride, we'll see!
No it is not hard on the tranny, it's a timing issue. All I'm doing is slightly rolling off the throttle and simultaneously upshifting. As the transmission unloads breifly when i roll off, the next gear can be selected very easily. You might be a little jerky the first few times, but once you figure out the timing it will become second nature. I will use it on the street when accelerating hard on the on ramps etc, but it really works well on the track. Try it. You wont harm it.
When you're hard on the brakes and downshifting at the same time, are you blipping the throttle between each gear on the way down? If so do you simply roll the throttle with your thumb?
I use I use 2 fingers on my brake, but find it very hard to "blip" the throttle with just my thumb when downshifting.
whilst racing i blip per downshift. its not a blip as such, you only have to move the throttle a couple of mm! you only have to do it very slightly to get it right. also, the higher the gear your in, the less you need to blip.
its like riding a bicycle, once you have done it once, its effortless. it also helps to use all of your engine braking. you will find you will stop a lot quicker in a lot shorter distance with the same amount of brake pressure appiled whilst using engine braking.
regarding my above comment, the reason I ask about blipping, is if I cant' always blip, and Im downshifting, is it better to slam it down 2 gears, then blip for that gear? or is it better to gear down between each gear on the brakes?
I get a bit of wheel "chatter" on the rear when braking hard because my wheel isn't quite rev matched a lot of the time. A slipper would fix this, but I'd rather get used to downshifting properly.
Nope, I'm not blipping. I'm using 1 finger for braking. As you pull in the clutch slightly each time for each downshift, the RPMs come up, like a blip, but you don't have to blip. It is the smoothness that you release the clutch that will keep you from chatter. I do not pull in the clutch and drop 2 gears then release. Engage each gear. Give it a try next time on the track...or better yet take a Jason Pridmore Star school...and you'll get this technique dialed
More difficult on the clutch plates than the transmission. But, I race on a single clutch pack a year, check it halfway through the season and it is still fine for the full season. Sometimes they can get too hot and warp the steels. But that is just general maintainence. Gearbox has been fine.
so u dont have to pull in the clutch wen shiffting up gears?
joshua17hernandez 14 hours ago
@corngrohlio i believe he is letting the clutch out slowly... so it does not feel like he is being thrown forward as if he let the clutch out all at once.
@existenz55 ...good job on showing everyone how knowledgeable you are when it comes to motorcycles... maybe if you did some research you would understand that the tranny on a car and on a bike are like apples and oranges... or carrots and potatoes... or ying and yang... easter bunny and the tooth fairy....... 32 characters remaining 87654321
TwistedRoots1 1 week ago
Dude, I don't know how you can downshift like that without blipping - must feel like you're going to be thrown over on every downshift... I'm only just getting used to my ZX6R slipper clutch and still don't feel comfortable doing that!
corngrohlio 2 weeks ago
PIR?
Dinkymod 2 weeks ago
here's a secret, you don't need a clutch. you just got to match revs but for 95% this is not doable
junkano 3 weeks ago
I don't understand why you don't blip on the down change? All blipping does is save wear on your clutch by matching the speed of the engine side and gearbox side thus prolonging the life of your clutch.
MrDJDomR 3 weeks ago
I have 05 gsxr600
LightningMAS 3 weeks ago
clutchless shifting
LightningMAS 3 weeks ago
how about if your bike has slipper clutch?
bilalsolmaz555 1 month ago
He has a quick shifter
tomikmhovo 2 months ago
@tomikmhovo nope. I don't have a QS
Trojan020 2 months ago
@tomikmhovo Probably not, he is very skilled with the throttle. I learned to do this with throttle hit, is easy once you understand what happens on the gearbox when you are accelerating.
lrojasma 2 months ago
@tomikmhovo dont need a quick shifter to change up gears, when your going along get your foot under the gear lever gently put pressure on and when your ready to change gear quickly blip the throttle and push the lever up ;) i do it all the time works at any speed
petrolhead1987 1 month ago
Does he match Revs when downshifting in this video? sounds like he doesn't or he's absolutley fluent :D
Detc0re 2 months ago
@Detc0re No rev matching or blipping. As soon as I roll off I want to click my down shifts and I do this early. I want them done and not wait until I'm tipping in.
Trojan020 2 months ago
@Trojan020 so while you're releasing the clutch, you downshift without turning the throttle? dont u feel the bike jerk foward?
WRCGC8 3 weeks ago
@WRCGC8 If you're braking you wont feel it much
Scamdal 3 weeks ago
@existenz55 I've been riding a CBR250R for a couple months now and i'm only 17yrs old, I use a technique called "powershifting" and it allows to shift without using the clutch and does not harm the transmission. It is also a widely known technique. But I learned not to powershift on downshifts because it grinds the gears pretty hard.
Shoyukun89123 2 months ago
@Shoyukun89123 Powershifting is a car shifting technique in which you don't take your foot off the gas when shifting gears. You might be doing proper clutchless upshifts, but I wouldn't call it powershifting.
kickblake 2 months ago
@Shoyukun89123 Yes, you are totaly right. I know you can do it (in a race for money...) but sooner or later it will crumble your gearbox and will break it.
existenz55 2 months ago
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You always should use the clutch to shit up. Dont listen to this guy. You will break your transmisions if you dont use the clutch. You can do it in extreme ocesions (like if you have braked your clutch handle) but only so you can get to a garage. ALWAYS USE YOUR CLUTCH FOR UP and DOWN SHIFTING.
existenz55 2 months ago
@existenz55 not true. Upshifting without a clutch when done properly is not hard on the tranny. I would recommend using the clutch on downshifts however. So you are 50% correct in your statement. But, by all means, if you feel more comfortable using the clutch for every upshift, then use it. I have no problem either way.
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@Trojan020
I am not saying that it will break your transmision imediantly. I am saying that if you always do it that way you will break your transmision very fast. I had a Suzuki GSXR 750 from 92 and never done anything for the transmision for 10 years by using the clutch for changing the gear up or down. Ask any one that rides bike for at least 2 years and they will tell you to ALWAYS use the clutch for changing gear. Take the course for a driver license and they will say the same.
existenz55 2 months ago
@existenz55 I have an '02 GSXR750 with over 25k miles of clutchless upshifts, and the tranny still engages perfectly. Motorcycle transmissions are SIGNIFICANTLY different than car transmissions, and are designed to deal with clutchless shifts. By "the course for a driver license" do you mean cars? Cuz yea.....its hard on cars to shift that way, but motorcycle transmissions don't have synchros like a car does.
kickblake 2 months ago
@kickblake In my country, if you want to ride biger bikes then 50cc you have to go to a course and take a exam. I was talking about license to drive a bike. There the instuctor always tells you to shift gears using the clutch if you want to keep your gearbox and clutch in good condition. Also they tell you to always use the kill switch on the bike so you get to know where its located in case of a emergency.
existenz55 2 months ago
@existenz55 Its the same with the cars. Because we always shift gears with the clutch but if you are skilled you can get gear out and gear in without the clutch.
Svili0 1 month ago
@existenz55 downshifting yeh, for the most part use the clutch, but i pretty much never use the cluctch for upsifting, never needed a new gear box of clutch. it not gonna brake anything. you do know about constant mech boxes and alikes dont you??
grapes008 1 month ago
@grapes008 shifting up, and powering hard is perfectly fine clutch less... let off throttle - switch gear. smooth
rickygsxr7501 1 month ago
@existenz55 you can't shit upwards with gravity and all
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existenz55 1 month ago
@hahaahahahaahaha The dude abides
0235681956 4 weeks ago
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akshooter762 3 weeks ago
@akshooter762 yeah i couldn't think of anything so i took the least original name, lol
hahaahahahaahaha 3 weeks ago
@existenz55 I dont know for sure but alot of sport atvs/mx bikes, and motorcycles have straight cut gears?upshifting clutchless, does no damage to the transmission, just need smooth shifts.
akshooter762 3 weeks ago
@existenz55 wow you are an idiot. If you dont know what you are talking about please keep your comments to yourself.
barcaj1288 2 weeks ago
@barcaj1288 Shifting into higher gears can also shift without the clutch by applying a gentle upward pressure to the shift lever and then backing off on the throttle slightly. The transmission should then shift into the next gear. (DOING THIS INCORRECTLY COULD SHRED YOUR GEAR SO IT ISNT ADVISED UNTIL YOU ARE COMFORTABLE AND BE ABLEi TO SHIFT GEARS NORMALLY)
FROM MY DRIVER LICENSE TECHER THAT HAS BEEN RIDING FOR 30 YEARS.
existenz55 2 weeks ago
do you not use clutcning when you upshifting ??
HALILYILMAZ2010 3 months ago
@HALILYILMAZ2010 No. you just roll off throttle briefly and simultaneously move the shift lever with your foot. It will move into the next gear effortlessly. If you read thru the other comments I have explained in more detail somewhere else in here. It's very easy to do and it is easy on your clutch and transmission when done right. Try it!
Trojan020 3 months ago
@Trojan020 thank you very much my frind :-)
but can you tell me aczagetly where is neutral speed (gear) ?
HALILYILMAZ2010 3 months ago
how are you upshifting with no clutching?
THEDrummerofTought 3 months ago
@THEDrummerofTought yeah ^^ that was ma first question too ... i mean u can ...but idk if ur moto likes this very much
0oChiLLeDKrOeTeo0 3 months ago
@0oChiLLeDKrOeTeo0 Yeah cuz you know my bike complains when i dont cltuch in upshifting, it´s a cb300
THEDrummerofTought 3 months ago
@THEDrummerofTought guess u need the right rpm ...
0oChiLLeDKrOeTeo0 3 months ago
@0oChiLLeDKrOeTeo0 that's what i thought, like you do it in cars, but i aint gonna risk it lool
THEDrummerofTought 3 months ago
@123kensi If your bike is in first gear, before you turn it on you need to have the clutch in... otherwise it needs to be in neutral... so yes u still need the clutch to go..
TwistedRoots1 3 months ago
when u stop do u put it in 2 neutral?? and like when u shift ether down or up do u need 2 hold the cluch
123kensi 3 months ago
@123kensi Not sure I understand your first question. If I'm street riding, and come to a stop, I keep the bike in first gear and watch my mirrors in case I need to move. Shifting down you need to use the clutch, shifting up you may or may not use the clutch. I don't use the clutch on up shifts.
Trojan020 3 months ago
@Trojan020 like when you stop in first gear and shut off the motor then you turn it back on do u still like need the clutch to go or can u just go be cause ur in first gear
123kensi 3 months ago
Are you blipping the throttle on the down change?
GeneralMaDMaN 3 months ago
@GeneralMaDMaN Nope
Trojan020 3 months ago
so highering gears are on right hand and downshift is on left foot ? and clutch is on left hand ?? if im not right please tell and one more thing where is throhle (gas pedal or smth )
111seeit 4 months ago
@111seeit
What? Upshifting and downshifting is handled with the left foot. The right food controls the rear brake. The left hand controls the clutch. The right hand controls the front brake. The right hand (by twisting) controls the throttle.
opmike343 4 months ago
So you don't blip the throttle?
shalukuttan 4 months ago
Is there a reason when you downshift that you let the clutch out slow? What I thought your suppose to do is dump the clutch after you blip the throttle
shalukuttan 4 months ago
@shalukuttan letting the clutch out slow on the last downshift allows you to stay in control. If we were to just drop the clutch, we can't manage the rear wheel as it tries to match engine speed. Even with slipper clutches we should try to control the rear wheel with our left hand. Also, think about if you are leaned over and need to make a downshift. Be smooth with the clutch.
Trojan020 4 months ago
Hey man do you work for the california superbike school, because they teach us this technique, finally a man on youtube that knows what he is doing! :D
stevieman38 5 months ago
how is he shifting into a higher gear with using the clutch???
hollywoodblueprint 6 months ago
@hollywoodblueprint I think I need to run 2 cameras. One on my left foot and on my left hand that are synched so you can see exactly what is happening when. But unfortunately I don't have that set-up.
Trojan020 6 months ago
@hollywoodblueprint You are able to do it by letting off the gas for a brief moment to let the RPMs drop and then you shift into the next higher gear. It is critical to match the RPMs just right in-order to successfully shift into the next gear or risk grinding them. You can do it in cars too, it took me several months to become familar what the RPMs are at what speeds and in what gear. It's possible to downshift too, but it is harder to do.
aoshima6566 5 months ago
Dont u need 2 do something w/ the gear shift too n not jus the clutch? N yea y is he upshifting w/ NO clutch?
DINGOS30 6 months ago
@DINGOS30 the shifter, your left foot, has to be moved to select the next higher gear in timing with the quick roll-off of the throttle.
Trojan020 6 months ago
@DINGOS30 Dude you don't need to use the clutch on up shifts just roll of the gas for a split second. Thats what most racers do! :P
stevieman38 5 months ago
Are you able to upshift on a dirtbike without using the clutch?
propaintaller1995 7 months ago
@propaintaller1995 you bet. In fact, I find it is easier than on the street/roadrace bikes.
Trojan020 7 months ago
I know nothing about bikes I just drive cars, why doesn't he use the clutch to upshift?
BMXBOBO 7 months ago
@BMXBOBO you can upshift without the clutch because when you briefly roll off the throttle, it unloads the transmission and you can seamlessly snick into the next gear. It causes no harm to the transmission when done correctly.
Trojan020 7 months ago
you seem to know what your talking about (whether i don´t understand everything :D)
so I´d like to ask you sth. I´m driving a 125 yzf-r for half a year now and of course im trying to be rossi ;D but to be like him i also should be able to ride my bike pretty good. I understood the clutch partly yet and i think my shifting is okay but not as fast as i want it to be. so I´m asking u is it possible to clutchless upshift and doing clutch bombs at wheelies with a 125ccm without damaging anything?
progification 8 months ago
What's the comparison between slipper clutch? and if you use slipper clutch what will when downshifting like that?
kiokua7x 9 months ago
@spokelse0
nope
Trojan020 9 months ago
for the most part you are downshifting pretty well by letting out the clutch smoothly, but you really should blip the throttle when you downshift. and use the fucking clutch when you upshift! like goddamn, id hate to be the one paying every time you need a new clutch. i do clutchless upshifts in wheelies and thats it. not trying to hate on you man, im just sayin.
theHansinator 9 months ago
@theHansinator when done correctly clutchless upshifts do not damage anything. He clearly is revmatching when he downshifts or he would be locking the rear tire and crashing.
EugeneF15 9 months ago
@EugeneF15 unfortunately I do not rev match or blip. Check out the video of Jason Pridmore and his downshifting. I am utilizing the same technique as him, just in a more lazy fashion. You are correct about the upshifts.
Trojan020 9 months ago
@Trojan020 so this technique is probly bad for your clutch since it is not a slipper but will help you on the track because you can be more smooth with the throttle? the video does not really explain anything
EugeneF15 9 months ago
@EugeneF15 What this video is trying to explain is how to pull in and release the clutch. It shows that you do not need to pull the lever all the way in to downshift. It shows how to be smooth with the release of the clutch lever. It helps people understand that the clutch is a very important aspect of riding a motorcycle fast. Many just disregard the clutch and do not perfect control of it. Every time I go out i try to advance my knowledge of the clutch.
Trojan020 9 months ago
@theHansinator clutchless upshifts done correctly do not harm the transmission. In fact, when it comes to the clutch, it's easier on the plates to perform clutchless upshifts when you are at full throttle. I cannot do an upshift fast enough to use the lever to then have the clutch catch up with the wheels/motor/transmission. THAT will harm a clutch. I owned this bike for 5 years and never needed to replace the clutch. It was always within spec.
Trojan020 9 months ago
@theHansinator why dont you take your infinite wisdom to Dynojet and tell them about why you should use the clutch. and while youre there get directions to Bazzaz and let him know hes doing it wrong too. Hes Mladins former crewchief btw.
BKEJP 8 months ago
Would you NOT using the clutch to upshift ruin anything?
Mkeffer13 9 months ago
@trojan020 how come u dont use the clutch?
omarrckzs77 11 months ago
are u using auto clutch or clutchless upshifting method?
yoonghan13 11 months ago
@yoonghan13 just clutchless upshifts. I do not have a quickshifter on this bike.
Trojan020 11 months ago
each turn u downshift 2 gears???
yoonghan13 11 months ago
@yoonghan13 not necessarily. Ideally T1 in this video would be 3 downshifts, T4 would be 1 downshift, T7 would be 2 downshifts, T9 would be 1 downshift.
Trojan020 11 months ago
hey newbie here.. may i know. what is tht blue thing on ur clutch?
the thingy infront of ur pass shift button
yoonghan13 11 months ago
@yoonghan13 the blue lever is to adjust how far away or close the clutch lever is to the bar. It allows smaller hands or larger hands to have a more comfortable clutch pull.
Trojan020 11 months ago
whats the pass button?? and turn right too hard we get punched in the eye haha :)
Dubbledeehonkey 1 year ago
@Dubbledeehonkey pass button is just a botton tht flashes ur head lights like wen ppl do in cars to let some1 pass or give way
yamumsbum66 1 year ago
@Dubbledeehonkey pass button flashes your high beams.
skratchhh 1 year ago
do i got to use the cluth when i upshift?
greets from germany :)
kray2511 1 year ago
@kray2511 Wie geht's, kray2511? No, you do not need to use the clutch when upshifting. By rolling off the throttle briefly and simultaneously shifting as the transmission is unloaded, you can shift without the clutch. It is fast and it does no damage to the transmission when done correctly. Viel spass. Tschuss....
Trojan020 1 year ago
@Trojan020 What do you mean, "done correctly" ? How can it be wrong?
crazyphilly555 1 year ago
@crazyphilly555 your timing could be off and you try to rush your upshift prior to unloading the transmission by rolling off. You could "grind" the gears. Most of the time you just can't move to the next gear, but, sometimes it doesn't engage fully and you get false neutral.
Trojan020 1 year ago
@Trojan020 what do you mean, unloading the transmission?
crazyphilly555 1 year ago
@crazyphilly555 when you slightly roll off the throttle, the engine is no longer driving the bike forward and it briefly unloads the transmission and it will allow you to snick it into the next gear.
Trojan020 1 year ago
@Trojan020 okay let say, we're in half throttle, how much should i roll off? all of the way or 1/2 or ?
crazyphilly555 1 year ago
@Trojan020 does that also works with 50cc?
Turkish42 1 year ago
@Turkish42 sure, but I think the 50cc bikes like the little Honda dirtbikes are automatics, where there is no clutch, just a shifter.
Trojan020 1 year ago
@Trojan020 hmm oke. Lets say a yamaha TZR or aprillia rs. Those have automatics or clutch?
Turkish42 1 year ago
yes when you blip the gas a little to down shift basically all you are doing is matching the higher RPM for the lower gear. if you down shift an no gas and let the clutch out it will almost feel like you apply the break and what that is doing is the gears are turning the motor to a higher RPM when you down shift and when you get good at it you will know how much to blip the throttle to match the RPM of the lower gear
93yota93lude 1 year ago
smooth bike
julingy 1 year ago
so if I do understand completely, I dont have to pull the clutch at all when I'm shifting gear up. Only when I'm comin down the shifts that I have to use my clutch? I'm a first time rider so things are not sitting well for me yet. I'm hearing so many controversies when it comes to everyone's riding style and techniques. Honestly I like yours so far. So should I keep it for street ridding as well? no clutch going up the gears?
g9concept 1 year ago
The term blipping the throttle is slightly confusing to me. What I've found recently is that when I down shift I can do them near perfectly by having the throttle at about 10% (cruising throttle, no deceleration or acceleration) and then pulling the clutch and down shifting and letting the clutch out. A blip is a really small amount of throttle right?
Dennissays 1 year ago
@Dennissays
Yes the blip is giving it gas for a fraction of a second, or a second... it depends, As long as you reach a desired RPM.
corotor12345 1 year ago
I always here people talk about "Blipping" the throttle when Down Shifting. Are you to blip as you pull the clutch in?
1. pull in clutch, blip
2. shift down
3. let out clutch
? obviously it is done quickly.
Quagmire88 1 year ago
@Quagmire88 correct.
Trojan020 1 year ago
@Trojan020
how do you know how much to blip the throttle?
BlackFlag94 1 year ago
@BlackFlag94 it becomes a feel thing. It's not like you need to rev it to the moon, but it's usually about 500-1000rpm for you blippers. I generally dont blip, only in very tricky situations. Most normal downshifts that I do are without blipping.
Trojan020 1 year ago
@Trojan020
I could blip the throttle on 50s easy, but on my 125 i just cant get it right, it's as if it doesn't need it but going from 2nd to 1st it'll lock up under heavy braking. And I also cant keep the braking constant when i blip the throttle.... thanks though
BlackFlag94 1 year ago
@BlackFlag94 it's always going to be difficult to go into 1st gear no matter what bike you are riding, unless first gear is really tall, or you have the ability to change your gearbox for specific tracks. That's the why you have to be diligent with the left hand and not just drop the clutch on release. FYI, I can't blip either, so I don't. What you see in the video is all I'm doing. I'm not blipping, just squeezing the brake.
Trojan020 1 year ago
@Quagmire88
Well that depends if you're blipping to match speeds between the selector and the gear... or if you're blipping to match speeds between the clutch basket and the inner hub. That means if you're tryna keep the gearbox intact, or if you're tryna keep from locking up the rear wheel. If it's the former, the blip before touching the shift pedal. If it's the latter, then shift before you re-engage the clutch.
corotor12345 1 year ago
Makes me feel good to know I'm not the only person in the world who uses four fingers on the clutch B-) BTW what track is PIR? I tried googling it but I found a lot of tracks that fit the acronym.
XH1927 1 year ago
@XH1927 PIR in this video is Portland International Raceway in Portland Oregon
Trojan020 1 year ago
@Trojan020 Thanks! Wanted to know so I could find the track map, that place looks like FUN. Just got off of Virginia International Raceway North course this past Monday so I'm still hyped about tracks B-)
XH1927 1 year ago
is it safe on the engine and transmission to shift up without the clutch?
Islandsoundzz 1 year ago
@Islandsoundzz it is safe when done correctly. It might take a few times for you to get the timing and hang of it, but it is not difficult nor hard on the tranny/engine. In fact it is easier on the clutch plates, especially when going fast with hard acceleration. Using the clutch on upshifts like that each time the clutch plates must catch up to the motor and it slips while trying to do so. Quick shifters do the same thing I'm doing here, except the electronics retard the timing.
Trojan020 1 year ago
Can u upshift without using the clutch on all bikes?
supdud1 1 year ago
@supdud1 don't see why not. Unless the motorcycle is some old variety that has some crazy transmission.
Trojan020 1 year ago
@Trojan020 Just making sure because i am planing to get a 600 or 750 gsxr.
supdud1 1 year ago
you just wanted to show off your new levers, dont lie :)
IzzualYamakawa 1 year ago
@IzzualYamakawa you caught me! My vanity has been compromised....;)
Trojan020 1 year ago
I love sound at 1:03 1:04 ;)
milleaccendinifan 1 year ago
so it like what i do in my car i just let off the gas a little take it outta gear, rest it on the next gear up till it falls in nice and smooth. am i right?
AllAmerican574 1 year ago
@AllAmerican574 yep.....
Trojan020 1 year ago
I am not blipping. Throttle goes completely shut. Sequential downshifts. Each gear is selected and engaged.
Trojan020 1 year ago
Are you blipping the throttle or controlling the rev's with only the clutch?
a2birdcage 1 year ago
nice vid:D it would be cool to see what is going on with the right hand at the same time. but what is a slipper cluch? and if you don't have a slipper cluch, what kind of cluch do you have then?
rockguitarZTOFFE 1 year ago
@rockguitarZTOFFE just a stock GSXR750 clutch. 06 model years and on, Suzuki equipped them with slipper clutches as standard equipment
Trojan020 1 year ago
You don't need the clutch to shift up it's speed shifting jus let off the throttle shift up an get back on the throttle
lilstevieyadig 1 year ago
Do you keep on the throttle when clutchless upshifting?
ptaraschi 1 year ago
i dont get it :S how he swifting up?
someone to explain me thanks :P
A7XBilly 1 year ago
like is all bikes the same and i mean shifting wise, what is the gears because people tell me different things....like when u have your bike off how do u know it is in neutral i mean wud it say it on the rpm....
BoonKoon1 1 year ago
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were u speed shifting new to the whole thing???
spikedad11 1 year ago
were u speed shifting new to the whole thing???
spikedad11 1 year ago
alright, i keep hearing different things. some people say, "you have to clutch when upshfiting or you will ruin your engine" and some say "no you only have to use the clutch coming from first, or downshifting" then i see this guy not clutching when he upshifts... whats the real answer?
TheAmazingTTOCS 1 year ago
You do not have to use the clutch on upshifts. When I am on the street, I will use the clutch on upshifts, because I'm just not going fast enough to warrant the clutchless upshifts. When riding fast it is actually easier on the transmission and clutch pack. Every time you pull in the clutch while accellerating the clutch plates have to catch up to the speed of the bike/tire when the clutch re-ingages. Time it right and you can do CLess downshifts as well.
Trojan020 1 year ago
Great instructional video :) 5*
nitrosray 1 year ago
hey..got a question...wen im on da 5th gear ( my bike's got 5 gears )...nd my rpm is pretty high...nd i wanna slow down...do i ease of da throttle nd den wen da rpm drops pull the clutch in nd drop down a gear...or do i jus directly hold da clutch in nd shift a gear down...da other day ..i was on da 5th gear ..i eased of da throttle nd held da clutch in ..da rpm jus dropped to 0 all of a sudden..nd dere was dis weird engine noise...the noise u get wen u noe ur done sumtin wrong..plz help! .....
flashmustain 2 years ago
Just pulling in the clutch and having the RPMs drop to zero should not have a weird engine noise. But to answer your first question the object is to know your gear and know your RPMs at all times in all conditions. A bike likes higher RPMs it works better in the higher RPM range. So in 5th gear and I want to click to 4th gear, I would just begin to roll off and simultaneously pull in the clutch and drop the one gear shift and gently release the clutch. The object is to not lose your RPMs.
Trojan020 2 years ago
thnx!
flashmustain 2 years ago
@Trojan020 hey can u help me out on the whole gear thing cuz i have ride mii friend bike and i was ok but i didnt know what i was doing...like i knew it was in first when i started it up and but after that i was confused....
BoonKoon1 1 year ago
yea its a problem, you have use actual words and full sentences or else your rear wheel may lock up
SoldierCyfix 1 year ago
@flashmustain you type like a retard... just sayin'.
Wasko750 1 year ago
@flashmustain ya its youtube, but at least attempt to type somewhat normal.
givuhcky22 1 year ago
Hmm, I thought you were supposed to let the clutch out very slowly or risk stalling the bike.
mouse743 2 years ago
Good question. When riding around a parking lot it is very important. But, I'm still letting it out slowly around the track, especially the last shift in each sequence. I do not just let go. In fact I'm holding it in the friction zone all the way to the apex in most areas. This allow for much more control. Go to the 5:05 mark and watch the subsequent 3 downshifts. The first 2 are very quick, the third one is held to modulate my entry speed as I'm still braking. Does that help?
Trojan020 2 years ago
Thanks for the reply. I'm just starting to learn to ride myself, and this video is a great learning tool.
mouse743 2 years ago
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nitrosray 1 year ago
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@mouse743
I know what you mean.... I was doing 60 in 5th gear on a 125 and DOWN shifted too quickly and the back wheel seized up for about 1.5 seconds IT WAS BLOODY SCARY
nitrosray 1 year ago
Clutchless upshift.. i love that. I was wondering how come he's not popping the clutch when needed.
ismailandmarsha 2 years ago
i know this may sound like a dumb question but can u do a clutchless upshift with a slipper clutch installed in the bike?
doggyxwoo 2 years ago
yep, no difference
Trojan020 2 years ago
What's a slipper clutch ? thanks
RossiTheDoctorR1 2 years ago
Do u pull in the clutch when you're speeding up also?
FATSIFATSI 2 years ago
Nope. You can hear the shifts on the front straight as I exit the last corner. Notice my hand is not using the clutch on these up shifts, only on the downshifts. To do a clutchless upshift, you must unload the transmission. To do this you briefly roll off the throttle, while simultaneously shifting up a gear. It's a coordinated effort and will take some practice. I'll do it on the street in the taller gears, but the lower gears are difficult on the street. Going too slow! ;)
Trojan020 2 years ago
Clutchless upshifts all day on my dirt bike. Also on supermoto. Definitely use it when downshifting for those nice controled slides into the corner. Nothing sweeter than the sound of a bike engine doing work. Great vid!!
elsunn 2 years ago
Phoenix international raceway?teacher at mmi?cool im at uti in avondale
knownasO 2 years ago
Sorry, it's Portland intnl Raceway in Portland, Oregon. I teach for PSSR trackday school. Good luck with your school.
Trojan020 2 years ago
yeah well i can do it in my car, just go into neutral, and push a bit into next gear, and revmatch, the gear enguage itselft easily... but on a bike, i don't know... its a sequential tranny... you dont go in neutral... Well I'll try it next time I ride, we'll see!
turmat01 2 years ago
can you explain the proper technique to upshift without the clutch please? is it hard on the tranny?
turmat01 2 years ago
No it is not hard on the tranny, it's a timing issue. All I'm doing is slightly rolling off the throttle and simultaneously upshifting. As the transmission unloads breifly when i roll off, the next gear can be selected very easily. You might be a little jerky the first few times, but once you figure out the timing it will become second nature. I will use it on the street when accelerating hard on the on ramps etc, but it really works well on the track. Try it. You wont harm it.
Trojan020 2 years ago
When you're hard on the brakes and downshifting at the same time, are you blipping the throttle between each gear on the way down? If so do you simply roll the throttle with your thumb?
I use I use 2 fingers on my brake, but find it very hard to "blip" the throttle with just my thumb when downshifting.
mcnab32 2 years ago
whilst racing i blip per downshift. its not a blip as such, you only have to move the throttle a couple of mm! you only have to do it very slightly to get it right. also, the higher the gear your in, the less you need to blip.
its like riding a bicycle, once you have done it once, its effortless. it also helps to use all of your engine braking. you will find you will stop a lot quicker in a lot shorter distance with the same amount of brake pressure appiled whilst using engine braking.
racerjosh2006 2 years ago
regarding my above comment, the reason I ask about blipping, is if I cant' always blip, and Im downshifting, is it better to slam it down 2 gears, then blip for that gear? or is it better to gear down between each gear on the brakes?
I get a bit of wheel "chatter" on the rear when braking hard because my wheel isn't quite rev matched a lot of the time. A slipper would fix this, but I'd rather get used to downshifting properly.
mcnab32 2 years ago
Nope, I'm not blipping. I'm using 1 finger for braking. As you pull in the clutch slightly each time for each downshift, the RPMs come up, like a blip, but you don't have to blip. It is the smoothness that you release the clutch that will keep you from chatter. I do not pull in the clutch and drop 2 gears then release. Engage each gear. Give it a try next time on the track...or better yet take a Jason Pridmore Star school...and you'll get this technique dialed
Trojan020 2 years ago
does't this wreck the gearbox ?
RossiTheDoctorR1 2 years ago
More difficult on the clutch plates than the transmission. But, I race on a single clutch pack a year, check it halfway through the season and it is still fine for the full season. Sometimes they can get too hot and warp the steels. But that is just general maintainence. Gearbox has been fine.
Trojan020 2 years ago