@Narutocoolest No they haven't.. 10, 0 is yammy 9 is Aaroniero 8 is Sayel 7 is Zommari 6 is Grimmjow 5 is Nnoitra 4 is Ulquiorra 3 is Harribel 2 is Barragan and 1 is starrk..... If you read the description.. you see that it says on quote "The video is ranking who is the most proficient user in sonido."
you left out one for aaroniero...he did it twice(in an obvious manner and nto combat) when ruckia first entered his quarters...the same moment when he asked her to follow him inside....now thats fast...aaroniero + sonido = major creeper
@sixsixalex1 The description says on quote "I just used the clips that I happened to have on my computer. I KNOW that they have better examples of sonido use than the ones i used in the video."
@saiyanmage so..... So that means that they are not in the video... Because they are not espada..... How can I forget Ichigo and Aizens Sonido when they aren't even espada..?
@MrYamiBakura he was talking about when ichigo turned into a 100% hollow, and when aizen used the hogyoku to turn hollow-ish in his final beastly transformation.
@RothrilSectolith I see. Aizen however, wasn't a hollow after his transformation. He himself claimed that he was "a being that surpasses both Hollow and Shinigami". So we can't call his technique neither a Sonido nor a Flash Step.
@MrYamiBakura Just cause he was above them doesn't mean he wasn't capable of sonido.. When he performed it, it made the sonido "boom" sound, and he had the same dispersing animation. And as I was saying to saiyanmage.. Even if they did do sonido, they are not espada.. and thus are not in this video.
@RothrilSectolith Technically, Sonido and Shunpou are the same technique. The only difference between these two techniques is their name. Aizen was a Shinigami.. At these times it was a Shunpou. But he also never went under hollowfication, but fused himself with the Hougyoku. Since he had never any hollow-ish aspects, we cant talk about a Sonido in his case.
@MrYamiBakura Shunpo and Sonido are not the same thing. Shunpo goes from point A to point B in a straight line and makes a swishing noise. However Sonido makes a booming sound, and the individual dissipates upwards, able to travel to any destination he/she wishes. As show by starrk when he takes orihime from the dome room to aizens throne room. In order to do that, he would have to navigate through many paths. And aizen had to have hollow in him in order to transcend.
@MrYamiBakura Comment 2: In Aizen final form, he was sporting many hollow-like masks, as well, his face had turned mask like. He also had Hollow holes in his chest. As well he was fused with his zanpakuto. This hogyoku form was not some mythical form, It was merely aizen destroying the boundaries between hollow, shinigami, and zanpakuto. He was all 3. He was like a Visored, but at the same time like an Arrancar. Maintaining Hollow and shinigami traits, as well his zanpakutos'.
@manaburn You are incorrect. The only sonido that is in question, is sayel apporo Granz side-step sonido. The rest are all sonido, as they make the sonido 'boom' sound. And the video isn't about the clips. Its about the ranking. I don't know how you call it inaccurate, when the clips are just their for aesthetic pleasure.
@RothrilSectolith It's funny how you go that I'm incorrect, then you go on to justify a subjective ranking by saying... it's mainly to be aesthetically pleasing. You are a moron; your parents were incorrect in giving birth to you. Don't ever respond to me again, you stupid shit.
@manaburn The clips are meant for aesthetic pleasure, yes.. I could have just done the ranking, and didn't even add the clips in. But I used what clips I had of each respected espada performing a sonido, so that the audio could would have something to watch, instead of just seeing names flash by. It helps in elaborating upon the ranks in the video, by adding the aesthetic pleasure of seeing the sonido actually being performed.
You're being too literal, like I said. Scientific method won't work here, because this can't really happen. You can't use measurements of time to try and figure out what they're doing, because what fits one time won't make any sense when you try and apply it somewhere else. It's a form of art, it's meant to look cool, not be accurate. You can't be that precise, because the rules of that universe aren't as specific as ours. It's called artistic liscense.
@rock21611 You can't prove that this is just a form of art.. perhaps tite kubo did it like that on purpose.. This is explaining that Sonido is dispersing ones self into soundwaves. not trying to prove science. Im not denying their powers, im only rationalizing their power. There is no major science going on here. When stark disappeared, he did not disappear forward in preparation of motion, he dispersed upward, and re-appeared with his essence going up and down by re-materializing.
@rock21611 Comment 2: You are here talking about art and forms of art, when nothing you are doing is proving that sonido is a simple go from point A to point B through speed.. if it was simple speed, they would not become invisible. If it was speed, how come barragan disappeared and re-appeared in the same location?... Because when soi-fon went in to attack him, he dispersed into soundwaves, and re-formalized back at the location he was previously standing.
@RothrilSectolith Rock21611 is right - it's the anime unvierse. All we can go by is our subjective and relative estimations of their strength. There's no way to accurately rank them - what seems like a second to us could be much longer to them and vice-versa. Just appreciate the story and move on.
@RothrilSectolith Found it. When sonido was named, it was when Rangiku was fighting Nakeem, Grimmjow's fraccion. After they release the limit, she remarks that earlier in the fight, he had come at her much faster (speaking in relation to her own, of course). When asked what it was called, he replied with "Sonido". Her response was that they called it shunpo. It wasn't until the anime that it was really defined as a seperate technique, because it added a seperate sound.
@RothrilSectolith Comment 2: Just to make sure that there's no room for mistake, she specifically said that he "shot towards us with amazing speed". And, as we've already established, the speed of sound doesn't qualify at that level.
@rock21611 The speed of sound qualifies at that level. Im going to estimate that Karakura town is only a few miles from one side to the other. At the speed of sound it would only take a matter of seconds to get from one end of town to the other. And if Sonido and shunpo were the exact same thing, there is no reason why it would make different sounds, nor is there any reason why the animations to them are different.
@RothrilSectolith It doesn't qualify FOR THEM. We already discussed this, remember? At that point, they're already at a level where where the speed of sound isn't that impressive. And I just said that it was the anime that gave them that. The manga, which is the source material, treated them as the same technique with a different name, which is what Rangiku was saying. And are you just going to ignore her essentially defining the technique for you?
@rock21611 Yeah, we discussed this, and as I already said, the speed of sound then, and now, does qualify for it. Look at starrks sonido at 3:19 again.. If he was really going at a high speed than that sonido would have been instantaneous. But no, there is a delay, for the de-materialization and re-materialization process. And when rangiku says "shot towards us with amazing speed" This is cause she detected the Reiatsu of them comming towards them at over 1,126 feet per second.
@RothrilSectolith Okay, I'm done. I surrender in the face of your overwhelming arrogance. You have come up with an extremely unusual explanation for a technique whose use and application is the exact same as other techniques, a technique whose definition is so obvious that everyone takes it for granted, apply principles that are far too specific for an anime to try and prove your theory, and in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, remain convinced you could not possibly be wrong.
@rock21611 If the techniques were exactly the same then they would operate the same. But Sonido and Shunpo are very different. There is no reason why the activation would be different, and why the sound would be different if it was a simple motion. Shunpo makes a swish sound as if the air was being push away for something moving at high speeds. But Sonido makes a very odd boom. If its high speed, it makes no sense why barragan would activate sonido, and then re-appear in the same spot
@RothrilSectolith Okay, I'll go for one more round of this. First, consider Occam's razor. Every other high speed technique works in just that way: high speed movement. Why would this one be different.
@RothrilSectolith Second, give me a single piece of solid evidence. Aesthetic or anime exclusive things, like the way it sounds, don't count. Neither does something as flimsy as the amount of time between disapearance, which A: doesn't happen at all within the source material and B: is designed for appearance, not accuracy.
@RothrilSectolith Finally, I want to know where you got this idea anyway. It's completely out of left field, it makes no sense for Kubo to design, and so far, the only evidence you have been able to provide are incomplete calculations of occurances designed to look good from a secondary adaptation.
@rock21611 You have never answered my question iv asked many times. Why does barragan activate sonido, and re-appear in the same spot? It would be a simple explanation if he simply dispersed into soundwaves and the re-materialized at his old location. And the speed of sound isn't consistent by the way, If they heat up the air as they are traveling, they can increase the speed of sound. If molecules are being pulled together and condensed while in motion, it can reach higher speeds.
@RothrilSectolith And you're avoiding mine. If you think about it the answer is simple. Just because they're moving at high speed doesn't mean that they have to move in a straight line. He dodged, turned around, and went back. And you might be able to add to the speed of sound, but multiply it to the levels nessesary? Somehow I doubt it. Now, I've answered your question, so answer mine. Evidence. Hard evidence.
@rock21611 I already gave you all the evidence you need. If you can't see It as valid enough than re-access it. And yes the speed of sound does change. Sound travels at 1,126 ft per second in 68 °F. The hotter the temp, the faster sound goes. Just like sound travels 10x faster through a solid object. And what would be the point of dodging it, and going back to the same spot? Iv taken my evidence from what is actually seen, you just assume sonido is like shunpo. where is your evidence?
@rock21611 Comment 2: And I point to Zommari for more proof. If he was simply spinning around the room at high speed, how could byakuya not see him if 3 seconds is 30 seconds as you previously said. If it was as simple as going from point A to point B, how does zommari make clones that can bleed? I find it easier to suggest that If his initial disappearance was the dispersion into sound waves, then he can re-appear wherever he wishes in the room. With his original source undetected.
@rock21611 Comment 3: As well, To create the clones, he could only be transferring a limited amount of his essence to a certain location, mixed in with Reiatsu to create mirage-effect clones, whilst still being physically present enough to attack. But being no real enough to be attacked and bleed, whilst the real zommari takes no damage.
@RothrilSectolith Byakuya couldn't see him because he wasn't fast enough. A more powerful opponent, like Barragan, could have tracked his movements. And, since this started with Zommari, I feel compelled to bring up the final point. I will respond to no arguments after this, so if it doesn't convince you, don't waste your time. In every single adaptation, be it manga, subbed, or dubbed, when he explains the gemmelos sonido, he says the same thing. He adds an extra STEP. Explain that away.
@rock21611 He adds extra steps in, yes. He while in the state of sonido can step down bringing a limited amounted of his materialized self at a location, mixed with his reiatsu to create a clone. If he was simply going at high speed, his clone wouldn't bleed. Byakuya kills 3 of the clones, slashing 2 of them, and shooting another through the chest. These wounds showed up on the clones, but not the actual zommari.
@RSKorosiya No.. Iv seen conclusive enough evidence that the vasto lordes level hollows were able to use sonido, as well as adjunchas level hollows.. and aizen didn't give them that power, the arrancarification that the hogyoku enhanced gave them their powers.
I'm sorry, but I have to equate Zommari to DBZ's Burter. He talks about being the fastest, but lacks the raw power to make it a reality. He might be the fastest comparitavely, IE, if all the espada were equal, but I just can't see him keeping up with Ulquiorra, Barragan or Starrk. They're on a level of power that he just can't reach.
@RothrilSectolith Ah, I see. I thought that you were ranking them on the speed of their sonido, not their level of skill with the technique. My mistake.
@rock21611 You can't rank sonido on speed, thats impossible. When they disappear its impossible to measure the mph that they are traveling. Nor can we figure its speed by how long it takes them to get from point A to point B, because its impossible to know the path they took. Technically speeking, all sonido are the same speed. And the user just has a different Activation Time, Rate, Energy consumption, Distance, and General Ability level, such as zomari creating gemelos sonido.
@RothrilSectolith Are you serious? Okay, just stop. It's an anime, the laws of physics do not apply. You rank things like this like a logic puzzle. A is faster than B, B is slower than C, so C must be faster than A. Also, like I said before, people like Starrk just operate on a higher level than people like Zommari. And finally, just because you can't figure out their speed, doesn't mean that they're all the SAME speed. Some sonido ARE faster than others.
@rock21611 "the laws of physics do not apply." yes they do. you can clearly see all the basic aspects of physics apply. You have weight, velocity and gravity in bleach don't you? And no, people like starrk don't operate on a different level regarding a single skill such as sonido. And yes, you must assume they are the same speed until proven otherwise if you have a logical scientific mind. You test. Activation Time, Rate, Energy consumption, Distance, and General Ability
@RothrilSectolith Please calm down. And no, you don't have to assume that. I never said that Starrk operated on a different level of skill. I was referring to a different level of power. The more spiritual energy they have to power the technique, the faster they are. Let me ask you something. If all sonido move at the same speed, then how could Ichigo follow Ulquiorra's movements with his sword sealed, but not in his ressurreccion, or his segunda etapa? The answer is power.
@rock21611 Comment 1: Please calm down? lol. when did I ever use an exclamation mark? And power has nothing to do with sonido. Yes, power can make them faster, but it doesn't necessarily change their sonido. Yes, ulquiorra and starrk may have been faster then zommari, but this does not mean that their sonido was better than his. Sonido is spanish for sound, the theory is that when in sonido, the arrancar converts into soundwaves, and then re-materialized afterwards.
@rock21611 Comment 2: If you go to 2:44 on the video, you will notice barragan used sonido to vanish and re-appear in the same location. Almost as if he simply converted into soundwaves, and then re-materialized in his former location. If the sonido-sound theory is correct, than this would imply all sonido are the same speed, but have different levels of activation, and re-materialization time. As well as time spent in sonido-state, which would translate into distance capability.
@rock21611 Comment 3: Another thing that supports the sonido-sound theory is zommaris ability to talk to byakuya even though he was still in the state of sonido. When he disappears and starts making clones, he is not simply moving around the room at a high speed, for like when barragan used it, is almost as if he has dispersed himself into sound waves and permeates the entire room, allowing his clones to appear where he wishes them too by adding extra steps in to create gemelos sonido
@RothrilSectolith Incorrect. Sonido is only a high speed movement technique, not a teleportation or anything of the sort. What Zommari is doing is the same as what Ichigo did to Byakuya the first time he used bankai. Zommari is just better at it. Sonido is the arrancar version of a flash step, he can't use it to "disperse himself". He is, in fact, simply moving around the room at high speed.
@rock21611 Comment 1: "Incorrect. Sonido is only a high speed movement technique" prove it. And sonido and shunpo are nothing alike really. When someone uses shunpo you can see that when the shunpo is over their clothing is moving, and their hair is moving forward, as if they just left a state of high speed. However, In every case of sonido, the individual did not exit sonido in motion, the exited the state of sonido without even so much as moving a muscle.
@RothrilSectolith You'll find that that happens alot. Sonido and flash step are supposed to move faster than the eyes can see, but there's a definate delay most times they're used. The fact of the matter is that you're trying to apply the rules of reality to something that simply doesn't follow them if it doesn't want to. You need to look up the term "willing suspension of disbelief". It's the only way most anime will make sense.
@rock21611 Comment 2: If sonido was as simple as shunpo, then byakuya would have been able to detect zommari, but he was not able too, he only knew zommari could probably make more than two clones, and guessed it would appear behind him in his blind spot. Sonido is almost undetectable, but shunpo is. This is reinforced more when ulquiorra was used to fighting shunpo vizard ichigo, but could not read the movements of 100% hollow ichigo because he was using "a sonido" in ulquiorras word
@rock21611 Comment 3: When starrk grabbed orihime, and sonidoed back into aizen throne room, he maneuvered through several obstacles. leaving the dome room, going into the central tower, and entering the throne room. This means that individuals using sonido can turn and maneuver at will whilst in the state of sonido. However, with shunpo, the person moves from point A to Point B in a straight line at a very high speed.
@rock21611 Comment 4: Your "Sonido high-speed idea" is a hypothesis. the "sonido-sound" theory, is a theory. Theory implies that much evidence suggests that it is true, and evidence for it I have presented to you. Your hypothesis, though a well founded idea, has yet to have any real evidence point to it as being absolute, as to where the sonido-sound theory has had many conclusive observations shine light upon it factual integrity. However, we could both be wrong, only kubo knows.
@RothrilSectolith Actually, it's not a hypothosis. That wasn't a guess, that's the definition of sonido. There are three high speed techniques within bleach. Flash step, or shunpo, for soul reapers, sonido, for arrancar, and hirenkyaku, for quincy's. This isn't my guess, it's official canon.
@rock21611 No, yours is still a Hypothesis, because that proves nothing. "high speed techniques" Yes, sonido is high speed, the speed of Sound is a high speed compared to normal arrancar speed is it not? So therefor, mine still goes in place with official canon.
@RothrilSectolith Actually, it isn't. If a human moved at the speed of sound they would be visible to the naked eye. Now, look at this. First episode, Ichigo moves faster than the eye can see, probably already moving faster than sound. Later, Byakuya moves faster than Ichigo can see, without releasing his sword. Ichigo then gains bankai and moves faster than Byakuya can see. Grimmjow moves faster than Ichigo can react to with his bankai.
@rock21611 "speed of sound they would be visible to the naked eye" Are you forgetting what I said earlier.. they convert into soundwaves and travel. This is why they are so hard to detect, and this is why the exit the state of sonido without any of their clothing or hair moving forward from the momentum. And no, ichigo didn't move faster than sound cause if he did we'd hear the sound barrier break. There is a difference between speed, shunpo, and sonido..
@RothrilSectolith What I'm saying is that soundwaves move too slowly. If sonido worked like that, they wouldn't be able to use it to surprise anyone, since the speed of travel would be pathetic. High speed techniques are useless if they're slower than you could go otherwise. And yes, they've broken the sound barrier many times over. The reason there's no sonic boom? IT'S A FREAKING ANIME! THE LAWS OF SCIENCE ONLY APPLY WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT, AND YOU CAN'T TRY AND QUANTIFY WHAT THESE PEOPLE DO!
@rock21611 You have no proof that they break the sound barrier. And no, the speed of sound isn't completely pathetic. Traveling an entire kilometer in 3 seconds is not that slow.. Most bleach fights occur in a radius of half a kilometer. To go from one end of the battlefield to other in 1.5 seconds, is not slow. Not to mention, if the arrancar converts his physical being into a soundwave to travel across, they become mighty hard to detect.
@RothrilSectolith Your forgetting something. When Byakuya stabbed Ichigo in the human world, we couldn't even see him move. When Ichigo fought him without the gentai rein, (x5), in bankai, (x5-10), we could follow a good portion of the battle. That's a minimum of 25 times the speed that he was going when he was introduced. Possibly more, considering his senkai. So why could we follow him? The answer is that we watch from their perspective.
@RothrilSectolith Battles that take place over the course of half an episode are moving faster than we can comprehend, at that point. Three seconds might not seem like much to you, but to them it's an eternity. If the espada tried to use your technique, their oppenents would have what would seem like forever to prepare for their arrival. I direct you to DC comics, specifically the flash. His reaction time is on a level we can't even understand. But to him, three seconds is like an hour.
@rock21611 That still isn't a good enough compensation. I said 1.5 seconds for half a kilometer. the distance that byakuya traveled to stab ichigo would be less that 0.1 seconds. his sword stab would be less that 0.01 seconds at the speed of sound. Minute distances are almost instantaneously to sound. if you punch your wall, everyone in the house will hear it pretty much instantly.
@RothrilSectolith Three seconds in real life would probably be equivalent to at the very least thirty seconds by the end of the invasion arc. You keep trying to use scientific process to support your theory, but you are blatently ignoring several key factors. Being undetectable doesn't make your arrival surprising if your oppenent has what seems like forever to prepare. You are underestimating their speed.
@rock21611 Comment 2: And even with the support of an Epinephrine and Dopamine boost, the human mind would need over 800 billion neurons to comprehend 30 seconds out of just one second. ichigo's human brain only has 100 billion neurons.. such a drastic comprehension of time isn't possible, unless aided by ungodly amount of epinephrine to the brain. Similar to mayuri's superhuman drug that he infected sayel apporo granz with. I mean 1 to 30... thats a 3,000% increase in time perception
@rock21611 oh sorry, 3 seconds to 30. I overlooked the word three. 3 to 30. thats still a 1,000% increase in time perception. which is.. rather.. way too much. I mean, iv heard of soldiers in the battlefield getting into an adrenaline state, where everything slows down, where 1 seconds becomes about 1.3 seconds. a 30% increase in time perception.. but not something so rash as a 1,000% increase going from 1 second to 10 seconds.
@RothrilSectolith It's not too much. You're forgetting a crucial factor. They're not human. Not a single part of these battles is fought at a human level. They're way more than ten times faster than we are, that, I think, we can at least agree upon. If their speed can increase that much, why not their perception. I have to apologize, by the way, for snapping. I got frustrated, and let my temper get the better of me, and I hate it when someone I'm talking to gets too invested in the conversation.
@rock21611 Regardless of whether or not they are human, they do not have the cranial capacity to have a brain with 800 billion neurons.. regardless of how fast they are going, time perceptions occurs in the brain. And we know they have brain in shinigami and arrancar form, because mayuri took his brain out and made a clone of it in the 3rd movie. Plus they bleed. So this means that even in spiritual form, they have working organs, a respiratory system, and a brain.
@RothrilSectolith Okay, here's the problem. You're being too literal. They have brains, yes, but this is an anime. You have to follow simpler logic because none of this is really possible on a scientific level. What you should look at instead is, how do they move that fast without being able to percieve it? Keep in mind, it isn't like DBZ's super speed, where they're moving faster than they can see. Byakuya has shown that they're capable of attacking in the middle of a flash step.
@RothrilSectolith At some point you have to let go of the laws of science. Willing suspension of disbelief, remember? It may not be possible scientifically, but it's the only way the show works.
@rock21611 No... I do have willing suspension of disbelief... we all know its impossible to convert yourself into soundwaves.. but that is the power of sonido.. go to 3:19-3:20. Starrks sonido took 1 second.. and he covered a distance of.. what, about 30 feet? So if 1 second is 10 seconds to them, it took him 10 seconds to go 30 feet? If he was simply traveling at a fast speed, we'd be able to see him when you compare 1 second to 30 ft. But somehow he disappeared.
@RothrilSectolith You can't quite understand people traveling faster than light but you can understand people shooting energy bolts out of their fingers by saying magical incantations...?
@RothrilSectolith Later, Ulquiorra moves faster than Ichigo can see, even though Ichigo can now keep up with Grimmjow's ressurreccion. By the time the espada come around, we've surpassed the speed of sound many times over. Your average espada's sonido is probably moving somewhere around mach 60, on the low end. Moving at the speed of sound, at that point, is begging to have your head cut off.
@RothrilSectolith And if you want evidence, look at Ichigo vs Ulquiorra. As much as Ulquiorra beat down Ichigo using sonido early on in the fight, why didn't he use it later. The answer is that he did, but this time Ichigo could keep up with his speed.
@RothrilSectolith When Ulquiorra released his sword, his spiritual pressure skyrocketed. With more power, he got considerably faster. You have to remember that these are souls fighting. And while the basic rules of physics may apply, anything that you would learn beyond a third grade level can be thrown out the window at the authors convenience. You can't assume that concepts like velocity work the same way they do in real life.
I don't know it sounds in the actual episode, but in some of those clips there was no sonido sound nor did it look like sonido but simply moving really fast.
@xemnas238 All of them had the sonido sound except the harribel one, because that particular clip had no audio. Sayel Apporo Granz Sonido is in question however.
@SeanRowland131 There is no evidence to suggest the Sonidos have different speeds. other than zommari saying that his sonido is the fastest. However, this may be referring to the speed at which he can activate sonido, or even the speed of the rate in which is uses sonido. Other than that, there is no way to gauge the speed of sonido, unless tite kubo himself gave the numbers.
@antlerman1357 No, they were sonido as they made the sonido sound. And barragans power does not work that way, he can not slow down all of time. His time dilation field only slows down time for things that get near him.
@husdelgado Did you miss the description... that says "I just used the clips that I happened to have on my computer. I KNOW that they have better examples of sonido use than the ones i used in the video".... there were a lot of sonidos that were not shown... the showing of the sonidoes were just eye candy...it served no practical purpose, all that matters in the ranking....
I have a question, if sónido is only used by arrancars and full-hollow vizards, then what are the thing that is used by many hollows that looks and sounds exactly like sónido?
@BigizPerez It is a "top 10" video ranking the espada's proficiency in sonido. 10 being the least proficient sonido user, 1 being the most proficient.
@padlotaska lol you completely don't know that the title says "top 10 espada sonido" and you completely dont know that the description says "The video is ranking who is the most proficient user in sonido. as in, who is the most skilled, and who has the most ability with sonido." xD lol -.-
If this is exactly how you stated in the description then yeah, your list is probably correct, but if this is by the fastest user, then please, go re-do your list.
Zommari is far from even Barragan's speed, let alone Ulquiorra's, Grimmjow's and Stark's speed LoL.
@grimm6jack Speed is out of the question when dealing with sonido, as all sonido's are relatively the same speed. You can not say otherwise, because we can not see exactly how fast they are going, nor can we make measurements of this. making "Zommari is far from even Barragan's speed, let alone Ulquiorra's, Grimmjow's and Stark's speed LoL." Incorrect, as sonido has no measurable speed. Only Rate, Energy consumption, Distance, Ability, and activation time can be monitored.
@RothrilSectolith The fact is: They can't have all the same speed, that's basically impossible, you are saying all the arrancars have the same speed while using sonido and that's incorrect. Of course we can't measure correctly who's the fastest but we can have an idea based on how they do in battle, like blitzing other characthers and such. And please don't mix up reality with a manga. Like manga has any logic to begin with ...
@grimm6jack "They can't have all the same speed, that's basically impossible," No it is not. Example A: If sonido (spanish for sound) was actually a move where the arrancar moves at the speed of sound, and or converts their body temporarily into sound waves, then they would all be moving at a constant. "you are saying all the arrancars have the same speed while using sonido and that's incorrect" Saying the dont have the same speed is equally incorrect, as you have ZERO evidence to base it on..
@RothrilSectolith sonido is the arrancars version of shunpo.....and there are varying degrees of shunpo, ie yoruichi's shunpo is much faster than rangikus. the biggest fact to show that sonido changes speed from user to user is that zammori said he had the fastest sonido of all the espada, even if he doesnt have the fastest, him stating this makes it canon that there are different speeds
@jimmyheinssssss Yes, but that does not mean he was referring to direct speed that his body was traveling, or speed as the speed of the rate the he can perform sonido. Fastest, can have more than one meaning. It could also mean the speed in which he De-materializes, and re-materializes if the Sonido-sound wave theory is correct.
@RothrilSectolith wow.... De-materializing is when every atom in an object breaks down and then materializing is when that object re-forms. when characters use sonido/shunpo they just move very quickly, they dont de-materialize. so your actually telling me that a fraccion's shunpo is the same as starks, as in the primera espada???? you obviously have no idea what you are talking about if you think that.
@jimmyheinssssss Can you please prove to me that they are simply moving from point A to point B? And if it was as simple as that, how come you can see at 2:44 barragan uses the sonido, but re-appears at the same location, almost as if he was using it to De-materialize. And no, your "De-materializing is when every atom" is wrong, its called the "Sonido-sound" theory. That the arrancar de-materializes into sound waves, and then re-forms. Sonido being spanish for "sound"
@SuperSquishy1011 He never displayed anymore than just regular sonido. to be the best he must have mastered sonido to the level to add new steps to it. the gemelos sonido for example.
@RothrilSectolith i didn't it, if he's moving so fast that he has clones of himself how come when the clones got hit and blood and things came out he was alright??
@SuperSquishy1011 Because they are clones. He added those extra steps into the sonido, making the gemelos sonido, allowing the variations of himself to be realistic.
It's an illogical explanation. It would've been more logical if combined with the speed and his reiatsu gemelos sonido would create a mirage of sorts. If the clones are created with speed alone you can't really say they are clones to begin with. They are just an optical illusion. Hence the "clones" should only get hurt if the original user of gemelos sonido also got hurt.
@AceyBlade That would be inferring that sonido is as simple as moving from point A to point B. Which is not the case with sonido. As barragan can be seen using sonido to disappear, and re-appear in the same location. Is is because of this, and the fact that the name of sonido in english is "sound", that when they engage into sonido, they are converting themselves into sound waves, or something along those lines. and perhaps zommari has the ability to make variations in these waves.
And what makes you deduce point B can't be the same as point A? That's just not a very convincing conclusion.
You're also making a lot of assumptions based on speculation. We do not know if the name implies they actually transform into sound waves or if it is the high-speed movement that causes the sound in itself. Even if they were to transform into sound waves that doesn't explain the ability to creat illusions that mimic injuries.
@AceyBlade If Point B was the same as Point A, why would he disappear? And if it was as simple as going from point A to point B, par say in a straight line like shunpo, how would starrk be able to use sonido to capture orihime, and then instantly get back to aizen? As you and I both know, between Point A and Point B in that instance, was several turns, doors, and hallways in order to get back to aizens throne room. and orihime's arms would have ripped off if he suddenly moved at that velocity.
There are flaws in your argument, like Flash Steps being limited to straight vectors. Which is obviously not true as otherwise it could not be used to get behind your opponent.
The other one is Starrk returning instantly to Aizen. We do not know how many "Sonido" steps he took or what the distance is or the actual time it took. We also don't know what kind of effect anyone carried by a Sonido user has. One might argue Starrk's spiritual force protected Orihime from harm.
@AceyBlade Shunpo has been seen moving in not straight lines when in close combat range, however, shunpo has always been shown in straight vectors at long distances, or doing slight turns. As in, maneuvering around a tree, or small building. But never has shunpo been seen maneuvering past many obstacles.
and yes, we dont know how many steps he took, but we can assume he just made one sonido.
as well, all that we know about reiatsu, particular a hollow reiatsu can't allow them to protect others
@AceyBlade No natural reiatsu can protect others, Shinigami however, can manifest their reiatsu into certain kidous and use it to protect others, this is why i said "particularly hollow"
"We have as much reason to assume he did multiple sonidos. There is nothing but speculation to back this up so it's a moot point." what is the reason to assume that he did? you see, you are throwing out speculation as well.
Where is this established in canon? Spiritual force can be used to protect someone from someone else's spiritual force, so I'd say it's not that farfetched to make it protect you from physical phenomena. Ichigo has also used his spiritual force to protect his body from physical harm before.
"you see, you are throwing out speculation as well."
But that's exactly my point. You're presenting assumptions based on nothing, meaning it's a moot point to argue.
"It cant until proven otherwise."
This response along with your arguments based on assumptions alone which you seem to present as facts makes me think you're not really interested in the truth of things but rather in being right. As such discussing canon with you will be tiresome.
@AceyBlade "But that's exactly my point. You're presenting assumptions based on nothing, meaning it's a moot point to argue."
You are also presenting assumptions based on nothing. Whether starrk used one, or multiple sonido whilst capturing orihime is speculation, on both ends. There is zero to base it on. as well, saying it is speed based, sound based, or teleport based, also has zero base to it aswell, since we cant see what is happening while they are engaging in sonido.
@AceyBlade Just because rangiku said it was movement with amazing speed, does not mean that it can not be sound based. the speed of sound could be considered an amazing speed. Shunpo has never achieved the speed of sound, or else there would be a boom from the breaking of the sound barrier.
"For a guy bragging about being of above average intellect you sure seem to be extremely thick. I can't bother to repeat myself."
How is this comment, in any way shape manner or form, regarding sonido??
And because it has been established in the canon as high speed movement I can't come to believe otherwise considering you've yet to show any canonical (or even non-canonical) evidence for your claims.
@AceyBlade aswell, Whenever sonido is used, their clothing does not move. If you were to move at a high speed, and then suddenly stop, wouldnt your hair, and loose clothing fly forward or sway? with sonido, this does not happen, as their bodies, hair, and clothing remains completely stationary. And when exiting the state of sonido, the image of the reappearing is distorted, not from just one direction, but from many directions. This is not what something looks like exiting high speed.
Why complicate with the arrancar actually transforming into sound waves instead of just high speed movement? Moreover, if they transformed into sound waves how are the shinigami able to perceive their movement? The simplest answer is often the correct one, anyway. And if I retrace this back into the original topic how, even if hypotetically sonido was the act of transforming into sound waves, does it explain Zoummari's clones having physical form and act as original?
OMG LOL 'Don't be such a spoon'. Well played.
angrynightowl 1 week ago
Gantenbaine has the fastest Sonido!!!!!
MrPikachuKING 3 weeks ago
lol obviously the black guy is the fastest
Corruxt 3 weeks ago
the espadas have changed!!
Narutocoolest 3 weeks ago
RothrilSectolith 3 weeks ago
Realy???
Pinto1070 1 month ago
you left out one for aaroniero...he did it twice(in an obvious manner and nto combat) when ruckia first entered his quarters...the same moment when he asked her to follow him inside....now thats fast...aaroniero + sonido = major creeper
sixsixalex1 1 month ago
@sixsixalex1 The description says on quote "I just used the clips that I happened to have on my computer. I KNOW that they have better examples of sonido use than the ones i used in the video."
RothrilSectolith 1 month ago
And Ichigo's Sonido in his Hollow Form.
saiyanmage 1 month ago
You forgot about Aizen's Sonido when the Hogyoku turns him into a monstrosity.
saiyanmage 1 month ago
@saiyanmage What does the title say.... It says top 10 ESPADA..... Ichigo and aizen are not espada.
RothrilSectolith 1 month ago
@RothrilSectolith
So?
saiyanmage 1 month ago
@saiyanmage so..... So that means that they are not in the video... Because they are not espada..... How can I forget Ichigo and Aizens Sonido when they aren't even espada..?
RothrilSectolith 1 month ago
@RothrilSectolith RACISM
saiyanmage 1 month ago
@saiyanmage Espada isn't a race.. its a title.. a rank.
RothrilSectolith 1 month ago
@RothrilSectolith RACIST!
saiyanmage 1 month ago
@saiyanmage Really smart aren't you?
RothrilSectolith 1 month ago
@RothrilSectolith
Thank you :)
saiyanmage 1 month ago
@saiyanmage lol
RothrilSectolith 1 month ago
@RothrilSectolith Aizen and Ichigo are both Shinigami. Did you ever see a Shinigami perform SONIDO? o_o
MrYamiBakura 1 month ago
@MrYamiBakura he was talking about when ichigo turned into a 100% hollow, and when aizen used the hogyoku to turn hollow-ish in his final beastly transformation.
RothrilSectolith 1 month ago
@RothrilSectolith I see. Aizen however, wasn't a hollow after his transformation. He himself claimed that he was "a being that surpasses both Hollow and Shinigami". So we can't call his technique neither a Sonido nor a Flash Step.
However, I agree with you about Ichigo.
MrYamiBakura 1 month ago
@MrYamiBakura Just cause he was above them doesn't mean he wasn't capable of sonido.. When he performed it, it made the sonido "boom" sound, and he had the same dispersing animation. And as I was saying to saiyanmage.. Even if they did do sonido, they are not espada.. and thus are not in this video.
RothrilSectolith 1 month ago
@RothrilSectolith Technically, Sonido and Shunpou are the same technique. The only difference between these two techniques is their name. Aizen was a Shinigami.. At these times it was a Shunpou. But he also never went under hollowfication, but fused himself with the Hougyoku. Since he had never any hollow-ish aspects, we cant talk about a Sonido in his case.
MrYamiBakura 1 month ago
@MrYamiBakura Shunpo and Sonido are not the same thing. Shunpo goes from point A to point B in a straight line and makes a swishing noise. However Sonido makes a booming sound, and the individual dissipates upwards, able to travel to any destination he/she wishes. As show by starrk when he takes orihime from the dome room to aizens throne room. In order to do that, he would have to navigate through many paths. And aizen had to have hollow in him in order to transcend.
RothrilSectolith 1 month ago
@MrYamiBakura Comment 2: In Aizen final form, he was sporting many hollow-like masks, as well, his face had turned mask like. He also had Hollow holes in his chest. As well he was fused with his zanpakuto. This hogyoku form was not some mythical form, It was merely aizen destroying the boundaries between hollow, shinigami, and zanpakuto. He was all 3. He was like a Visored, but at the same time like an Arrancar. Maintaining Hollow and shinigami traits, as well his zanpakutos'.
RothrilSectolith 1 month ago
@RothrilSectolith Hmm...you got a point there. Geez, Tite Kubo is confusing :D Let's just say, Aizen is a godlike creature with a badass Sonido.
MrYamiBakura 1 month ago
@007fragkill The real name of it is Bleach OST 3 - Track 17 - Soundscape to Ardor, it isn't morning remembrance.
RothrilSectolith 1 month ago
I stil think Stark is better at making clones with his sonido
profskitty 1 month ago
@profskitty Starrk didn't make clones, he made after-images.
RothrilSectolith 1 month ago
What's the name of the music?
007fragkill 2 months ago
@007fragkill It's Bleach Ost Morning Remembrance :D
13SeeYou 1 month ago
@13SeeYou No it isn't. Its Soundscape to Ardor.
RothrilSectolith 1 month ago
@RothrilSectolith Hmm..Both are right and I'm confused now :P
13SeeYou 1 month ago
@13SeeYou I'd know.. Im the bleach OST guy... Look at my /rothril channel for proof of that..
RothrilSectolith 1 month ago
Half of the time you're classifying simple dodging as sonido. This video is extremely inaccurate.
manaburn 2 months ago
@manaburn You are incorrect. The only sonido that is in question, is sayel apporo Granz side-step sonido. The rest are all sonido, as they make the sonido 'boom' sound. And the video isn't about the clips. Its about the ranking. I don't know how you call it inaccurate, when the clips are just their for aesthetic pleasure.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith It's funny how you go that I'm incorrect, then you go on to justify a subjective ranking by saying... it's mainly to be aesthetically pleasing. You are a moron; your parents were incorrect in giving birth to you. Don't ever respond to me again, you stupid shit.
manaburn 2 months ago
@manaburn The clips are meant for aesthetic pleasure, yes.. I could have just done the ranking, and didn't even add the clips in. But I used what clips I had of each respected espada performing a sonido, so that the audio could would have something to watch, instead of just seeing names flash by. It helps in elaborating upon the ranks in the video, by adding the aesthetic pleasure of seeing the sonido actually being performed.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@manaburn lol are you serious? fighting over a fucking cartoon? You are the moron.
JuicYouS 2 months ago
@JuicYouS Yeah, it takes so fucking long to type up three sentence... What a fucking moron you are. Go sterilize yourself - right now.
manaburn 2 months ago
@manaburn Getting so worked up over a fucking cartoon!! Lol. Me a moron? I wonder what that makes you...
JuicYouS 2 months ago
You're being too literal, like I said. Scientific method won't work here, because this can't really happen. You can't use measurements of time to try and figure out what they're doing, because what fits one time won't make any sense when you try and apply it somewhere else. It's a form of art, it's meant to look cool, not be accurate. You can't be that precise, because the rules of that universe aren't as specific as ours. It's called artistic liscense.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 You can't prove that this is just a form of art.. perhaps tite kubo did it like that on purpose.. This is explaining that Sonido is dispersing ones self into soundwaves. not trying to prove science. Im not denying their powers, im only rationalizing their power. There is no major science going on here. When stark disappeared, he did not disappear forward in preparation of motion, he dispersed upward, and re-appeared with his essence going up and down by re-materializing.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@rock21611 Comment 2: You are here talking about art and forms of art, when nothing you are doing is proving that sonido is a simple go from point A to point B through speed.. if it was simple speed, they would not become invisible. If it was speed, how come barragan disappeared and re-appeared in the same location?... Because when soi-fon went in to attack him, he dispersed into soundwaves, and re-formalized back at the location he was previously standing.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith I'm sorry to say thisa, but rock21611 is right.
Tekkai50 2 months ago
@Tekkai50 Ill believe he is right when there is evidence enough using the shows logic to prove that I am wrong.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Rock21611 is right - it's the anime unvierse. All we can go by is our subjective and relative estimations of their strength. There's no way to accurately rank them - what seems like a second to us could be much longer to them and vice-versa. Just appreciate the story and move on.
manaburn 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Found it. When sonido was named, it was when Rangiku was fighting Nakeem, Grimmjow's fraccion. After they release the limit, she remarks that earlier in the fight, he had come at her much faster (speaking in relation to her own, of course). When asked what it was called, he replied with "Sonido". Her response was that they called it shunpo. It wasn't until the anime that it was really defined as a seperate technique, because it added a seperate sound.
rock21611 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Comment 2: Just to make sure that there's no room for mistake, she specifically said that he "shot towards us with amazing speed". And, as we've already established, the speed of sound doesn't qualify at that level.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 The speed of sound qualifies at that level. Im going to estimate that Karakura town is only a few miles from one side to the other. At the speed of sound it would only take a matter of seconds to get from one end of town to the other. And if Sonido and shunpo were the exact same thing, there is no reason why it would make different sounds, nor is there any reason why the animations to them are different.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith It doesn't qualify FOR THEM. We already discussed this, remember? At that point, they're already at a level where where the speed of sound isn't that impressive. And I just said that it was the anime that gave them that. The manga, which is the source material, treated them as the same technique with a different name, which is what Rangiku was saying. And are you just going to ignore her essentially defining the technique for you?
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 Yeah, we discussed this, and as I already said, the speed of sound then, and now, does qualify for it. Look at starrks sonido at 3:19 again.. If he was really going at a high speed than that sonido would have been instantaneous. But no, there is a delay, for the de-materialization and re-materialization process. And when rangiku says "shot towards us with amazing speed" This is cause she detected the Reiatsu of them comming towards them at over 1,126 feet per second.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Okay, I'm done. I surrender in the face of your overwhelming arrogance. You have come up with an extremely unusual explanation for a technique whose use and application is the exact same as other techniques, a technique whose definition is so obvious that everyone takes it for granted, apply principles that are far too specific for an anime to try and prove your theory, and in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, remain convinced you could not possibly be wrong.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 If the techniques were exactly the same then they would operate the same. But Sonido and Shunpo are very different. There is no reason why the activation would be different, and why the sound would be different if it was a simple motion. Shunpo makes a swish sound as if the air was being push away for something moving at high speeds. But Sonido makes a very odd boom. If its high speed, it makes no sense why barragan would activate sonido, and then re-appear in the same spot
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Okay, I'll go for one more round of this. First, consider Occam's razor. Every other high speed technique works in just that way: high speed movement. Why would this one be different.
rock21611 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Second, give me a single piece of solid evidence. Aesthetic or anime exclusive things, like the way it sounds, don't count. Neither does something as flimsy as the amount of time between disapearance, which A: doesn't happen at all within the source material and B: is designed for appearance, not accuracy.
rock21611 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Finally, I want to know where you got this idea anyway. It's completely out of left field, it makes no sense for Kubo to design, and so far, the only evidence you have been able to provide are incomplete calculations of occurances designed to look good from a secondary adaptation.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 You have never answered my question iv asked many times. Why does barragan activate sonido, and re-appear in the same spot? It would be a simple explanation if he simply dispersed into soundwaves and the re-materialized at his old location. And the speed of sound isn't consistent by the way, If they heat up the air as they are traveling, they can increase the speed of sound. If molecules are being pulled together and condensed while in motion, it can reach higher speeds.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith And you're avoiding mine. If you think about it the answer is simple. Just because they're moving at high speed doesn't mean that they have to move in a straight line. He dodged, turned around, and went back. And you might be able to add to the speed of sound, but multiply it to the levels nessesary? Somehow I doubt it. Now, I've answered your question, so answer mine. Evidence. Hard evidence.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 I already gave you all the evidence you need. If you can't see It as valid enough than re-access it. And yes the speed of sound does change. Sound travels at 1,126 ft per second in 68 °F. The hotter the temp, the faster sound goes. Just like sound travels 10x faster through a solid object. And what would be the point of dodging it, and going back to the same spot? Iv taken my evidence from what is actually seen, you just assume sonido is like shunpo. where is your evidence?
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@rock21611 Comment 2: And I point to Zommari for more proof. If he was simply spinning around the room at high speed, how could byakuya not see him if 3 seconds is 30 seconds as you previously said. If it was as simple as going from point A to point B, how does zommari make clones that can bleed? I find it easier to suggest that If his initial disappearance was the dispersion into sound waves, then he can re-appear wherever he wishes in the room. With his original source undetected.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@rock21611 Comment 3: As well, To create the clones, he could only be transferring a limited amount of his essence to a certain location, mixed in with Reiatsu to create mirage-effect clones, whilst still being physically present enough to attack. But being no real enough to be attacked and bleed, whilst the real zommari takes no damage.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Byakuya couldn't see him because he wasn't fast enough. A more powerful opponent, like Barragan, could have tracked his movements. And, since this started with Zommari, I feel compelled to bring up the final point. I will respond to no arguments after this, so if it doesn't convince you, don't waste your time. In every single adaptation, be it manga, subbed, or dubbed, when he explains the gemmelos sonido, he says the same thing. He adds an extra STEP. Explain that away.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 He adds extra steps in, yes. He while in the state of sonido can step down bringing a limited amounted of his materialized self at a location, mixed with his reiatsu to create a clone. If he was simply going at high speed, his clone wouldn't bleed. Byakuya kills 3 of the clones, slashing 2 of them, and shooting another through the chest. These wounds showed up on the clones, but not the actual zommari.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
The irony of there only being 10 Espada.
robotchickenfan 2 months ago
@robotchickenfan Yeah xD it makes top 10 videos easier to make :o
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
its so funny to see people debate anime logic ^_^
CloudBomber9 2 months ago
@CloudBomber9 I find it amusing when people try to apply logic to anime at all. (Not that it stops them from trying...)
rock21611 2 months ago
nononononoo ulquiorra is nr 4 and aizen nr 1
TheDestruckter 2 months ago
@TheDestruckter Aizen is not an espada... nor does he even have the ability to use sonido...
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Aizen is the one who gave the Espada "power" including Sonido...
RSKorosiya 2 months ago
@RSKorosiya No.. Iv seen conclusive enough evidence that the vasto lordes level hollows were able to use sonido, as well as adjunchas level hollows.. and aizen didn't give them that power, the arrancarification that the hogyoku enhanced gave them their powers.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
I'm sorry, but I have to equate Zommari to DBZ's Burter. He talks about being the fastest, but lacks the raw power to make it a reality. He might be the fastest comparitavely, IE, if all the espada were equal, but I just can't see him keeping up with Ulquiorra, Barragan or Starrk. They're on a level of power that he just can't reach.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 Burter uses speed, zommari uses sonido. Zommari isn't the 'fastest' espada... he is just the most proficient user in sonido.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Ah, I see. I thought that you were ranking them on the speed of their sonido, not their level of skill with the technique. My mistake.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 You can't rank sonido on speed, thats impossible. When they disappear its impossible to measure the mph that they are traveling. Nor can we figure its speed by how long it takes them to get from point A to point B, because its impossible to know the path they took. Technically speeking, all sonido are the same speed. And the user just has a different Activation Time, Rate, Energy consumption, Distance, and General Ability level, such as zomari creating gemelos sonido.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Are you serious? Okay, just stop. It's an anime, the laws of physics do not apply. You rank things like this like a logic puzzle. A is faster than B, B is slower than C, so C must be faster than A. Also, like I said before, people like Starrk just operate on a higher level than people like Zommari. And finally, just because you can't figure out their speed, doesn't mean that they're all the SAME speed. Some sonido ARE faster than others.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 "the laws of physics do not apply." yes they do. you can clearly see all the basic aspects of physics apply. You have weight, velocity and gravity in bleach don't you? And no, people like starrk don't operate on a different level regarding a single skill such as sonido. And yes, you must assume they are the same speed until proven otherwise if you have a logical scientific mind. You test. Activation Time, Rate, Energy consumption, Distance, and General Ability
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Please calm down. And no, you don't have to assume that. I never said that Starrk operated on a different level of skill. I was referring to a different level of power. The more spiritual energy they have to power the technique, the faster they are. Let me ask you something. If all sonido move at the same speed, then how could Ichigo follow Ulquiorra's movements with his sword sealed, but not in his ressurreccion, or his segunda etapa? The answer is power.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 Comment 1: Please calm down? lol. when did I ever use an exclamation mark? And power has nothing to do with sonido. Yes, power can make them faster, but it doesn't necessarily change their sonido. Yes, ulquiorra and starrk may have been faster then zommari, but this does not mean that their sonido was better than his. Sonido is spanish for sound, the theory is that when in sonido, the arrancar converts into soundwaves, and then re-materialized afterwards.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@rock21611 Comment 2: If you go to 2:44 on the video, you will notice barragan used sonido to vanish and re-appear in the same location. Almost as if he simply converted into soundwaves, and then re-materialized in his former location. If the sonido-sound theory is correct, than this would imply all sonido are the same speed, but have different levels of activation, and re-materialization time. As well as time spent in sonido-state, which would translate into distance capability.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@rock21611 Comment 3: Another thing that supports the sonido-sound theory is zommaris ability to talk to byakuya even though he was still in the state of sonido. When he disappears and starts making clones, he is not simply moving around the room at a high speed, for like when barragan used it, is almost as if he has dispersed himself into sound waves and permeates the entire room, allowing his clones to appear where he wishes them too by adding extra steps in to create gemelos sonido
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Incorrect. Sonido is only a high speed movement technique, not a teleportation or anything of the sort. What Zommari is doing is the same as what Ichigo did to Byakuya the first time he used bankai. Zommari is just better at it. Sonido is the arrancar version of a flash step, he can't use it to "disperse himself". He is, in fact, simply moving around the room at high speed.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 Comment 1: "Incorrect. Sonido is only a high speed movement technique" prove it. And sonido and shunpo are nothing alike really. When someone uses shunpo you can see that when the shunpo is over their clothing is moving, and their hair is moving forward, as if they just left a state of high speed. However, In every case of sonido, the individual did not exit sonido in motion, the exited the state of sonido without even so much as moving a muscle.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith You'll find that that happens alot. Sonido and flash step are supposed to move faster than the eyes can see, but there's a definate delay most times they're used. The fact of the matter is that you're trying to apply the rules of reality to something that simply doesn't follow them if it doesn't want to. You need to look up the term "willing suspension of disbelief". It's the only way most anime will make sense.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 Comment 2: If sonido was as simple as shunpo, then byakuya would have been able to detect zommari, but he was not able too, he only knew zommari could probably make more than two clones, and guessed it would appear behind him in his blind spot. Sonido is almost undetectable, but shunpo is. This is reinforced more when ulquiorra was used to fighting shunpo vizard ichigo, but could not read the movements of 100% hollow ichigo because he was using "a sonido" in ulquiorras word
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@rock21611 Comment 3: When starrk grabbed orihime, and sonidoed back into aizen throne room, he maneuvered through several obstacles. leaving the dome room, going into the central tower, and entering the throne room. This means that individuals using sonido can turn and maneuver at will whilst in the state of sonido. However, with shunpo, the person moves from point A to Point B in a straight line at a very high speed.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@rock21611 Comment 4: Your "Sonido high-speed idea" is a hypothesis. the "sonido-sound" theory, is a theory. Theory implies that much evidence suggests that it is true, and evidence for it I have presented to you. Your hypothesis, though a well founded idea, has yet to have any real evidence point to it as being absolute, as to where the sonido-sound theory has had many conclusive observations shine light upon it factual integrity. However, we could both be wrong, only kubo knows.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Actually, it's not a hypothosis. That wasn't a guess, that's the definition of sonido. There are three high speed techniques within bleach. Flash step, or shunpo, for soul reapers, sonido, for arrancar, and hirenkyaku, for quincy's. This isn't my guess, it's official canon.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 No, yours is still a Hypothesis, because that proves nothing. "high speed techniques" Yes, sonido is high speed, the speed of Sound is a high speed compared to normal arrancar speed is it not? So therefor, mine still goes in place with official canon.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Actually, it isn't. If a human moved at the speed of sound they would be visible to the naked eye. Now, look at this. First episode, Ichigo moves faster than the eye can see, probably already moving faster than sound. Later, Byakuya moves faster than Ichigo can see, without releasing his sword. Ichigo then gains bankai and moves faster than Byakuya can see. Grimmjow moves faster than Ichigo can react to with his bankai.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 "speed of sound they would be visible to the naked eye" Are you forgetting what I said earlier.. they convert into soundwaves and travel. This is why they are so hard to detect, and this is why the exit the state of sonido without any of their clothing or hair moving forward from the momentum. And no, ichigo didn't move faster than sound cause if he did we'd hear the sound barrier break. There is a difference between speed, shunpo, and sonido..
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith What I'm saying is that soundwaves move too slowly. If sonido worked like that, they wouldn't be able to use it to surprise anyone, since the speed of travel would be pathetic. High speed techniques are useless if they're slower than you could go otherwise. And yes, they've broken the sound barrier many times over. The reason there's no sonic boom? IT'S A FREAKING ANIME! THE LAWS OF SCIENCE ONLY APPLY WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT, AND YOU CAN'T TRY AND QUANTIFY WHAT THESE PEOPLE DO!
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 You have no proof that they break the sound barrier. And no, the speed of sound isn't completely pathetic. Traveling an entire kilometer in 3 seconds is not that slow.. Most bleach fights occur in a radius of half a kilometer. To go from one end of the battlefield to other in 1.5 seconds, is not slow. Not to mention, if the arrancar converts his physical being into a soundwave to travel across, they become mighty hard to detect.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Your forgetting something. When Byakuya stabbed Ichigo in the human world, we couldn't even see him move. When Ichigo fought him without the gentai rein, (x5), in bankai, (x5-10), we could follow a good portion of the battle. That's a minimum of 25 times the speed that he was going when he was introduced. Possibly more, considering his senkai. So why could we follow him? The answer is that we watch from their perspective.
rock21611 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Battles that take place over the course of half an episode are moving faster than we can comprehend, at that point. Three seconds might not seem like much to you, but to them it's an eternity. If the espada tried to use your technique, their oppenents would have what would seem like forever to prepare for their arrival. I direct you to DC comics, specifically the flash. His reaction time is on a level we can't even understand. But to him, three seconds is like an hour.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 That still isn't a good enough compensation. I said 1.5 seconds for half a kilometer. the distance that byakuya traveled to stab ichigo would be less that 0.1 seconds. his sword stab would be less that 0.01 seconds at the speed of sound. Minute distances are almost instantaneously to sound. if you punch your wall, everyone in the house will hear it pretty much instantly.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Three seconds in real life would probably be equivalent to at the very least thirty seconds by the end of the invasion arc. You keep trying to use scientific process to support your theory, but you are blatently ignoring several key factors. Being undetectable doesn't make your arrival surprising if your oppenent has what seems like forever to prepare. You are underestimating their speed.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 Comment 2: And even with the support of an Epinephrine and Dopamine boost, the human mind would need over 800 billion neurons to comprehend 30 seconds out of just one second. ichigo's human brain only has 100 billion neurons.. such a drastic comprehension of time isn't possible, unless aided by ungodly amount of epinephrine to the brain. Similar to mayuri's superhuman drug that he infected sayel apporo granz with. I mean 1 to 30... thats a 3,000% increase in time perception
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@rock21611 oh sorry, 3 seconds to 30. I overlooked the word three. 3 to 30. thats still a 1,000% increase in time perception. which is.. rather.. way too much. I mean, iv heard of soldiers in the battlefield getting into an adrenaline state, where everything slows down, where 1 seconds becomes about 1.3 seconds. a 30% increase in time perception.. but not something so rash as a 1,000% increase going from 1 second to 10 seconds.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith It's not too much. You're forgetting a crucial factor. They're not human. Not a single part of these battles is fought at a human level. They're way more than ten times faster than we are, that, I think, we can at least agree upon. If their speed can increase that much, why not their perception. I have to apologize, by the way, for snapping. I got frustrated, and let my temper get the better of me, and I hate it when someone I'm talking to gets too invested in the conversation.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 Regardless of whether or not they are human, they do not have the cranial capacity to have a brain with 800 billion neurons.. regardless of how fast they are going, time perceptions occurs in the brain. And we know they have brain in shinigami and arrancar form, because mayuri took his brain out and made a clone of it in the 3rd movie. Plus they bleed. So this means that even in spiritual form, they have working organs, a respiratory system, and a brain.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Okay, here's the problem. You're being too literal. They have brains, yes, but this is an anime. You have to follow simpler logic because none of this is really possible on a scientific level. What you should look at instead is, how do they move that fast without being able to percieve it? Keep in mind, it isn't like DBZ's super speed, where they're moving faster than they can see. Byakuya has shown that they're capable of attacking in the middle of a flash step.
rock21611 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith At some point you have to let go of the laws of science. Willing suspension of disbelief, remember? It may not be possible scientifically, but it's the only way the show works.
rock21611 2 months ago
@rock21611 No... I do have willing suspension of disbelief... we all know its impossible to convert yourself into soundwaves.. but that is the power of sonido.. go to 3:19-3:20. Starrks sonido took 1 second.. and he covered a distance of.. what, about 30 feet? So if 1 second is 10 seconds to them, it took him 10 seconds to go 30 feet? If he was simply traveling at a fast speed, we'd be able to see him when you compare 1 second to 30 ft. But somehow he disappeared.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith You can't quite understand people traveling faster than light but you can understand people shooting energy bolts out of their fingers by saying magical incantations...?
CianCQ 2 months ago
@CianCQ They aren't traveling faster than light... otherwise their movements would be instantaneous unless traveling worldwide....
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith Later, Ulquiorra moves faster than Ichigo can see, even though Ichigo can now keep up with Grimmjow's ressurreccion. By the time the espada come around, we've surpassed the speed of sound many times over. Your average espada's sonido is probably moving somewhere around mach 60, on the low end. Moving at the speed of sound, at that point, is begging to have your head cut off.
rock21611 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith And if you want evidence, look at Ichigo vs Ulquiorra. As much as Ulquiorra beat down Ichigo using sonido early on in the fight, why didn't he use it later. The answer is that he did, but this time Ichigo could keep up with his speed.
rock21611 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith When Ulquiorra released his sword, his spiritual pressure skyrocketed. With more power, he got considerably faster. You have to remember that these are souls fighting. And while the basic rules of physics may apply, anything that you would learn beyond a third grade level can be thrown out the window at the authors convenience. You can't assume that concepts like velocity work the same way they do in real life.
rock21611 2 months ago
I don't know it sounds in the actual episode, but in some of those clips there was no sonido sound nor did it look like sonido but simply moving really fast.
xemnas238 2 months ago
@xemnas238 All of them had the sonido sound except the harribel one, because that particular clip had no audio. Sayel Apporo Granz Sonido is in question however.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
Barragan Stark Zommari Harrible but Nniotra Would have owned all!!!!!
MrAmicobello 2 months ago
@MrAmicobello What are you talking about..
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@SeanRowland131 There is no evidence to suggest the Sonidos have different speeds. other than zommari saying that his sonido is the fastest. However, this may be referring to the speed at which he can activate sonido, or even the speed of the rate in which is uses sonido. Other than that, there is no way to gauge the speed of sonido, unless tite kubo himself gave the numbers.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
baaragan only really used sonido once in the clip you showed the other times was him just slowing everything else down
antlerman1357 2 months ago
@antlerman1357 No, they were sonido as they made the sonido sound. And barragans power does not work that way, he can not slow down all of time. His time dilation field only slows down time for things that get near him.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith you missed one sonido and it's ulquiorra's sonido using ressurection
husdelgado 2 months ago
@husdelgado Did you miss the description... that says "I just used the clips that I happened to have on my computer. I KNOW that they have better examples of sonido use than the ones i used in the video".... there were a lot of sonidos that were not shown... the showing of the sonidoes were just eye candy...it served no practical purpose, all that matters in the ranking....
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
@RothrilSectolith oops sorry about that but either way good vid
husdelgado 2 months ago
@husdelgado thank you.
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
I have a question, if sónido is only used by arrancars and full-hollow vizards, then what are the thing that is used by many hollows that looks and sounds exactly like sónido?
RandomVideos1425 2 months ago
@RandomVideos1425 Vasto lordes And Adjunchas level hollows can use Sonido
RothrilSectolith 2 months ago
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F0NAT0 2 months ago
Wtf is this..... Fuqn stupid
BigizPerez 3 months ago
@BigizPerez It is a "top 10" video ranking the espada's proficiency in sonido. 10 being the least proficient sonido user, 1 being the most proficient.
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
Lol u completely dont know how the espadas are counted xD
padlotaska 3 months ago
@padlotaska lol you completely don't know that the title says "top 10 espada sonido" and you completely dont know that the description says "The video is ranking who is the most proficient user in sonido. as in, who is the most skilled, and who has the most ability with sonido." xD lol -.-
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
If this is exactly how you stated in the description then yeah, your list is probably correct, but if this is by the fastest user, then please, go re-do your list.
Zommari is far from even Barragan's speed, let alone Ulquiorra's, Grimmjow's and Stark's speed LoL.
grimm6jack 3 months ago
@grimm6jack Speed is out of the question when dealing with sonido, as all sonido's are relatively the same speed. You can not say otherwise, because we can not see exactly how fast they are going, nor can we make measurements of this. making "Zommari is far from even Barragan's speed, let alone Ulquiorra's, Grimmjow's and Stark's speed LoL." Incorrect, as sonido has no measurable speed. Only Rate, Energy consumption, Distance, Ability, and activation time can be monitored.
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
@RothrilSectolith The fact is: They can't have all the same speed, that's basically impossible, you are saying all the arrancars have the same speed while using sonido and that's incorrect. Of course we can't measure correctly who's the fastest but we can have an idea based on how they do in battle, like blitzing other characthers and such. And please don't mix up reality with a manga. Like manga has any logic to begin with ...
grimm6jack 3 months ago
@grimm6jack "They can't have all the same speed, that's basically impossible," No it is not. Example A: If sonido (spanish for sound) was actually a move where the arrancar moves at the speed of sound, and or converts their body temporarily into sound waves, then they would all be moving at a constant. "you are saying all the arrancars have the same speed while using sonido and that's incorrect" Saying the dont have the same speed is equally incorrect, as you have ZERO evidence to base it on..
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
@RothrilSectolith sonido is the arrancars version of shunpo.....and there are varying degrees of shunpo, ie yoruichi's shunpo is much faster than rangikus. the biggest fact to show that sonido changes speed from user to user is that zammori said he had the fastest sonido of all the espada, even if he doesnt have the fastest, him stating this makes it canon that there are different speeds
jimmyheinssssss 3 months ago
@jimmyheinssssss Yes, but that does not mean he was referring to direct speed that his body was traveling, or speed as the speed of the rate the he can perform sonido. Fastest, can have more than one meaning. It could also mean the speed in which he De-materializes, and re-materializes if the Sonido-sound wave theory is correct.
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
@RothrilSectolith wow.... De-materializing is when every atom in an object breaks down and then materializing is when that object re-forms. when characters use sonido/shunpo they just move very quickly, they dont de-materialize. so your actually telling me that a fraccion's shunpo is the same as starks, as in the primera espada???? you obviously have no idea what you are talking about if you think that.
jimmyheinssssss 3 months ago
@jimmyheinssssss Can you please prove to me that they are simply moving from point A to point B? And if it was as simple as that, how come you can see at 2:44 barragan uses the sonido, but re-appears at the same location, almost as if he was using it to De-materialize. And no, your "De-materializing is when every atom" is wrong, its called the "Sonido-sound" theory. That the arrancar de-materializes into sound waves, and then re-forms. Sonido being spanish for "sound"
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
You got it all wrong ulquiorra is 4 not 3
uchihaboy246 3 months ago
@uchihaboy246 he's ranking them on their ability to use sonido not their actual espada ranking
crzune 3 months ago
Actually, Nnoitra used Sonido when fighting with Neliel, but he didn't seem to be good at it...
flamesofthelord 3 months ago
@flamesofthelord Did it make the sonido sound?
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
stark is the best! he can use sonido to travel the whole of hueco mundo!!!!
SuperSquishy1011 3 months ago
@SuperSquishy1011 He never displayed anymore than just regular sonido. to be the best he must have mastered sonido to the level to add new steps to it. the gemelos sonido for example.
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
@RothrilSectolith i didn't it, if he's moving so fast that he has clones of himself how come when the clones got hit and blood and things came out he was alright??
SuperSquishy1011 3 months ago
@SuperSquishy1011 Because they are clones. He added those extra steps into the sonido, making the gemelos sonido, allowing the variations of himself to be realistic.
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
@RothrilSectolith
It's an illogical explanation. It would've been more logical if combined with the speed and his reiatsu gemelos sonido would create a mirage of sorts. If the clones are created with speed alone you can't really say they are clones to begin with. They are just an optical illusion. Hence the "clones" should only get hurt if the original user of gemelos sonido also got hurt.
AceyBlade 3 months ago
@AceyBlade That would be inferring that sonido is as simple as moving from point A to point B. Which is not the case with sonido. As barragan can be seen using sonido to disappear, and re-appear in the same location. Is is because of this, and the fact that the name of sonido in english is "sound", that when they engage into sonido, they are converting themselves into sound waves, or something along those lines. and perhaps zommari has the ability to make variations in these waves.
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
@RothrilSectolith
And what makes you deduce point B can't be the same as point A? That's just not a very convincing conclusion.
You're also making a lot of assumptions based on speculation. We do not know if the name implies they actually transform into sound waves or if it is the high-speed movement that causes the sound in itself. Even if they were to transform into sound waves that doesn't explain the ability to creat illusions that mimic injuries.
AceyBlade 3 months ago
@AceyBlade If Point B was the same as Point A, why would he disappear? And if it was as simple as going from point A to point B, par say in a straight line like shunpo, how would starrk be able to use sonido to capture orihime, and then instantly get back to aizen? As you and I both know, between Point A and Point B in that instance, was several turns, doors, and hallways in order to get back to aizens throne room. and orihime's arms would have ripped off if he suddenly moved at that velocity.
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
@RothrilSectolith
There are flaws in your argument, like Flash Steps being limited to straight vectors. Which is obviously not true as otherwise it could not be used to get behind your opponent.
The other one is Starrk returning instantly to Aizen. We do not know how many "Sonido" steps he took or what the distance is or the actual time it took. We also don't know what kind of effect anyone carried by a Sonido user has. One might argue Starrk's spiritual force protected Orihime from harm.
AceyBlade 3 months ago
@AceyBlade Shunpo has been seen moving in not straight lines when in close combat range, however, shunpo has always been shown in straight vectors at long distances, or doing slight turns. As in, maneuvering around a tree, or small building. But never has shunpo been seen maneuvering past many obstacles.
and yes, we dont know how many steps he took, but we can assume he just made one sonido.
as well, all that we know about reiatsu, particular a hollow reiatsu can't allow them to protect others
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
@RothrilSectolith
"But never has shunpo been seen maneuvering past many obstacles."
That does not mean it can't happen.
"yes, we dont know how many steps he took, but we can assume he just made one sonido."
We have as much reason to assume he did multiple sonidos. There is nothing but speculation to back this up so it's a moot point.
"particular a hollow reiatsu can't allow them to protect others"
And the basis for this argument is presented where in the canon?
AceyBlade 3 months ago
@AceyBlade No natural reiatsu can protect others, Shinigami however, can manifest their reiatsu into certain kidous and use it to protect others, this is why i said "particularly hollow"
"We have as much reason to assume he did multiple sonidos. There is nothing but speculation to back this up so it's a moot point." what is the reason to assume that he did? you see, you are throwing out speculation as well.
"That does not mean it can't happen."
It cant until proven otherwise.
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
@RothrilSectolith
"No natural reiatsu can protect others,"
Where is this established in canon? Spiritual force can be used to protect someone from someone else's spiritual force, so I'd say it's not that farfetched to make it protect you from physical phenomena. Ichigo has also used his spiritual force to protect his body from physical harm before.
AceyBlade 3 months ago
@RothrilSectolith
"you see, you are throwing out speculation as well."
But that's exactly my point. You're presenting assumptions based on nothing, meaning it's a moot point to argue.
"It cant until proven otherwise."
This response along with your arguments based on assumptions alone which you seem to present as facts makes me think you're not really interested in the truth of things but rather in being right. As such discussing canon with you will be tiresome.
AceyBlade 3 months ago
@AceyBlade "But that's exactly my point. You're presenting assumptions based on nothing, meaning it's a moot point to argue."
You are also presenting assumptions based on nothing. Whether starrk used one, or multiple sonido whilst capturing orihime is speculation, on both ends. There is zero to base it on. as well, saying it is speed based, sound based, or teleport based, also has zero base to it aswell, since we cant see what is happening while they are engaging in sonido.
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
@RothrilSectolith
"You are also presenting assumptions based on nothing."
For a guy bragging about being of above average intellect you sure seem to be extremely thick. I can't bother to repeat myself.
"as well, saying it is speed based, sound based, or teleport based, also has zero base to it aswell"
I said it already before but Rangiku has already referred Sonido as "moving with amazing speed". Specificly in Bleach Manga Chapter 210.
AceyBlade 3 months ago
@AceyBlade Just because rangiku said it was movement with amazing speed, does not mean that it can not be sound based. the speed of sound could be considered an amazing speed. Shunpo has never achieved the speed of sound, or else there would be a boom from the breaking of the sound barrier.
"For a guy bragging about being of above average intellect you sure seem to be extremely thick. I can't bother to repeat myself."
How is this comment, in any way shape manner or form, regarding sonido??
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
@RothrilSectolith
And because it has been established in the canon as high speed movement I can't come to believe otherwise considering you've yet to show any canonical (or even non-canonical) evidence for your claims.
AceyBlade 3 months ago
@AceyBlade And where exactly, is is canonically established?
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
@AceyBlade aswell, Whenever sonido is used, their clothing does not move. If you were to move at a high speed, and then suddenly stop, wouldnt your hair, and loose clothing fly forward or sway? with sonido, this does not happen, as their bodies, hair, and clothing remains completely stationary. And when exiting the state of sonido, the image of the reappearing is distorted, not from just one direction, but from many directions. This is not what something looks like exiting high speed.
RothrilSectolith 3 months ago
@RothrilSectolith (1)
Why complicate with the arrancar actually transforming into sound waves instead of just high speed movement? Moreover, if they transformed into sound waves how are the shinigami able to perceive their movement? The simplest answer is often the correct one, anyway. And if I retrace this back into the original topic how, even if hypotetically sonido was the act of transforming into sound waves, does it explain Zoummari's clones having physical form and act as original?
AceyBlade 3 months ago