kata Passai Dai-Yamashita Shorin Ryu Suibukan

[shftyswtchblade2]

Very similiar to the Pasai Dai we're taught here in Okinawa (Shorin-ryu Reihokan)... footing is a little different, as are some of the punches. Very cool though.

[gojuryukarateka]

Looks like a hybrid of Bassai Dai and Tomari Passai ... and done well.

[Manukaratekid]

well..i think its my fault..i was looking for some other kata..sory for disturbing..

hey can anyone tell me where I could find passai Dai(shorin ryu kobayashi) ?

[Manukaratekid]

rather than that..we should discuss is this kata all rite?

I think the first step is wrong..the left hand is not fully in contact with the right hand..

[Manukaratekid]

Well I think the fight for this should b stopped..karate was originated in China but It's now accepted as japanese art..

[robertvoice]

Very Good, I hope the karatecas admit the chinese origins.

[Koryuhoka]

@robertvoice - We do... SOME of the kata are Chinese origin and others are Chinese influenced. The Chinese don't even take the full credit. I just wish people would stop associating karate with Japan. It is Okinawan.

[MrNickjannini]

@Koryuhoka While you have a point, after Funakoshi Sensei brought Shotokan to the mainland, the Japanese enthusiasts began making their own styles to suit their needs like the Okinawans did.

[ronin752]

@MrNickjannini

The real question is... What was that need? Was is the defense of their lives, or to support their egos.

Japanese juijutsu was used to defend the lives of the samuari, and so it character was a lot more practically based. Not at all like Japanese karate.

[MrNickjannini]

@ronin752 Egos? You're an idiot. The need was for Matsumura to protect the king and dignitaries. It was his job to get them out of Shuri Castle.

[ronin752]

@MrNickjannini

Seek to understand before you comment. My question was directed at the Japanese derivatives, not the original Okinawan art. My point was that the Japanese changed the karate for egotistical reasons, and not practical ones. Matsumura did not discard Chinese techniques. The Chinese influence is still obvious in Okinawan karate, even the Shuri lineage, although not as directly as goju. It is the concepts and the principles that are Chinese.

[OkinawaShorinryu]

@ronin752 Funakoshi was a school teacher, he wanted to introduce Karate into the school system in Japan, so he had to make it more sport oriented, less combative. Bascially Japan took off with that.

[ronin752]

@OkinawaShorinryu

It really wasn't Funakoshi, but Itosu who created the school system karate. Japan took off with it without seeking to understand the original okinawan art.

[OkinawaShorinryu]

@ronin752 Ok, right, Itosu intoduced the modified karate to the Okinawan schools but Funakoshi introduced that to the Japanese school systems. Right?

[tommotomt]

@Koryuhoka okinawa is in japan mate

[Koryuhoka]

@tommotomt - really? Is Hawaii in the US? is Guam? NO! They are a US State and a US Territory that at one time independent, having nothing to do with the US. But through conquest and military strength was taken by the US government. The Hawaiians and People of Guam had no say in the matter. In the same way Okinawa had nothing to do with Japan. It was INVADED by Japan. So something that is invaded, all of the sudden is "in" Japan? Educate yourself in the history of Okinawa.

[tommotomt]

@Koryuhoka i wouldnt worry about it too much. why should something have any more or less value according to where it is from? yes, guam and hawaii are in the us, and okinawa is in japan. maybe you are confusing "is" and "was". to say "okinawa had nothing to do with japan" is a bit silly; and to say karate should not be associated with japan is like saying cheese should not be associated with america, because it originated in europe. there is cheese in america, and the cheese is GOOD.

[Koryuhoka]

@tommotomt - Sure. I have to stop wasting time on people who choose to accept inaccuracies.

[ronin752]

@robertvoice

And embrace it!!! Remember the original name for karate was tode, or China hand.

[robertvoice]

@ronin752 Kodete = The Chinese Hand.

[MrNickjannini]

@robertvoice Alternate kanji for the term "kara" does in fact mean Chinese.

@ronin752 And the name before tode was te.

@robertvoice Matsumura discarded Chinese techniques. You won't find many in Shuri-te. You'd have to go to Goju-ryu, Uechi-ryu, kempo or similar to find strong Chinese influence.

[OkinawaShorinryu]

@MrNickjannini Matsumura discarded the Chinese techniques? You do not know much about Matsumura Seito do you. Where did you come up with that?

[MrNickjannini]

@OkinawaShorinryu Where did I come up with that? You're telling me Matsumura Seito has the exact same techniques as chuan fa? You're a loony.

[OkinawaShorinryu]

@MrNickjannini One thing you need to watch your comments of calling people looney or idiots. Tuff behind a screen aren't we. Two, Chuan fa was not in this context to begin with. Yes, you know nothing of Matsumura Seito much less Bushi Matsumura teachings.

[MrNickjannini]

@OkinawaShorinryu I have nothing to prove by arguing with people that have no idea what they're talking about.

[OkinawaShorinryu]

@MrNickjannini You don't think I know anything about Matsumura Karate and it lineage and history. You're the one not knowing my friend. I've been in this business a long time and had talked with some of the older masters pass gone. Either someone has pump you with the wrong info or you have read someones BS. I rather help you with this than argue like you say. You seem knowledgable on much of this but there is a lot of misinformation and speculations in books or by folks with little clue.

[Melissadef]

Very nice.

[ronin752]

It is funny to me. I have heard a lot of criticism of some of Nakazato Hanshi's older students, including Yamashita sensei. However, the rhythm and pacing of your kata seems more consistent with budo then the 1count performances that I currently see many of the detractors practice.

Nice Post! Kind of brutal with the kokegi though.