Really? How do you know this guy really needs a procedure? He doesn't have insurance but he does have a computer! And a web camera? His family won't generate the funds? How many people you think will see this video? What procedure would cost that little? If you're such a believer then why wouldn't you make a video calling on people to join together in prayer for the raising of money...or even for healing for that matter!
@G3org3Master I can assume whenever I want. We don't know for sure what he is motivated by. I am sure it's a mixture of both. He can also be motivated by fear. But who the fuck cares. This isn't something political, so if I want to assume that one person has a heart, I will do it, so shut the fuck up and leave me alone.
what about faith or prayer? so, this is one of those times magic man in the sky is not able to deliver!!!! he can manufacture a million different animals on the planet, a billion stars but can not send a few bucks to his "followers"....
i think tommy can ask for himself if he wants it, i think u just want to keep the money to ur self ,why do that men thats not right i click one of ur links and it's not there it loks like u was tryin to screw tommy dude ur fraud!!!!!
To be honest, Im not sure I can trust this guy, he has a history of being fairly against collaboration with people that hold nontheistic beleifs, those his cause seems noble, I think hes more or less trying to glamorize his faith, listen to him speak. Then he tries to squander around saying "Oh, atheists are ok too" after ranting aabout how amazing his faith is, a bit fishy, but nopt much we can do
I hate to sound cruel or that I'm using someone's misfortune to make my argument,but isn't what Tommy needs right now(a decent,not for profit healthcare system)EXACTLY what the Repubs(who are the party supported by the majority of bornagain and fundie Christians)rally so much against?Isn't trying to help Tommy and people like him the very definition of socialist?Yes,helping the poor and needy does seem like something Jesus would support,but sadly not most of his professed followers.
I'd have to disagree with your assessment that we need a healthcare system here in the US. We ALREADY have a social security network and Medicare/medicaid. And what does the govt do? They SELECTIVELY pay out Medicare to those who need it. What makes you think a NHS system wouldn be different? We don't NEED a new healthcare system. Let's fix the one we have in place. Besides that, we simply cannot AFFORD one with our govt being in debt to the tune of 12 TRILLION dollars. It's suicide...
That 12 trillion dollars doesn't even take into account the TRILLIONS that are promised in the future by our govt to Social Security and Medicare/medicaid recipients. And you want to add another program to the equation such that we as taxpayers are strapped with even more debt? What about your grandchildren and great grandchildren? They'll never know a time when we weren't out of debt. It's amazing to me that KNOWing how in debt we are we still think we can spend our way out of it. Ugh! Wake up!
Okay,TexAtheist,this is how we pay for a quality healthcare system that actually treates everyone without forcing them to decide between paying their mortage or seeking medical care:use the tax money being wasted on the two wars we're fighting and the insane taxbreaks given to the rich and use it for healthcare.I'll known too many people who are hard working,barely getting by,but too "wealthy"for Medicaid.If we're really against socialized healthcare,why not end Medicare?Because the elderly vote
The real problem is not the idea of NHS, but the implementation of it, run under the control of govt bureaucrats who have already shown the same proclivities as any insurance company currently practicing here in the US, or around the world. What makes you think that our govt, who have already run Social Security, Amtrak and Medicare into the ground, will be ANY more effective at taking 1/7th of our economy and running it?! Doing the same thing over expecting a different result is insanity.
Seriously, they're crooks who have voted themselves automated cost of living raises and given themselves a special healthcare plan and lifetime benefits once they leave office. And you want to trust them with MORE of my and your money? Nevermind though because pretty soon the creditors will come calling and we'll REALLY be in a pickle. I bet that even if we were to run surpluses for the next 50 years we'd STILL have trouble paying off our current, and future promised payments to SS and Medicare
@help4343 They also commit more crime... so what does that mean, they're all Robin Hood? Take your junk stats elsewhere, or provide links to sound scientific studies. What you'll likely find is Republicans donate more because 98% of wealthy people vote Republicans because they protect the rich and shaft the poor. However, if you look at a PERCENTAGE of gross income donated to charity, you'll see Democrats donate more. There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Paint it how you like.
...so if you really believe in God/Jesus in the bible, GO HEAL THE GUY.
I know I look like a horrible person using someone's sickness to make a point, but YouTube Christians preaching and pretending to "tell the truth", and "know the truth"---and yet, when push comes to shove, you know you're faith is hollow, the bible is bullshit, and it's HUMANS helping humans that makes our world a better place.
So what are you deep down? A bible believing Christian? Or a Humanist? Be honest for once.
Why are you trying to get Tommy money? That's a HUMANIST way of thinking, and goes completely against what the bible teaches.
(1) You're suppose to hate/convert or kill Atheists.
(2) Even if you decided to only take the gospels as "truth" in the bible, then why aren't you just going over there and healing him yourself? Jesus said many times, that his followers can heal the sick, and anyone who prays in his name will be answered....
so let me get this straight...all I hear from conservative Christians is how "health care is communist/socialist/the devil's work" and how it's so evil...I guess that only lasts until someone you know is sick and can't afford health care.
i would help but choose not to because there is healthcare for the poor I know about it because i was on it at a young age. even had surgery that I needed on it. have those options been exuasted?
Christians are kind only to try and get favour with God, Atheists are kind because they want to be, I don't think they're on even ground at all in terms of moral standards.
To be honest, I wouldn't donate anything unless I knew what the surgery was for. I don't think too much for people that have self inflicted health issues, and I wouldn't be surprised if his surgery was for smoking or similar.
"Christians are kind only to try and get favour with God, Atheists are kind because they want to be"
Contemporary Christian Morality has little to do with the bible, though the bible is often used to justify their morality. Atheists and Christians get their morals from the same source; their parents and culture. While it's true that some Christians are only behaved because they fear hell or love Christ, I suspect those are the minority. The carrot on the stick is cheapening, but not defining.
To suggest that Christians are only good to curry favor with their proclaimed savior is merely a rehash of that old bullshit argument many theists have pulled claiming that atheists are liars, murdered, thieves, and other flavors of bastard without a foundation in Christ.
Truth is, the only difference morally is that scripture as a rigid dogma can clumsily be used to endorse atrocities if the alternative means criticizing scripture. Mostly past atrocities as well, that we've all learned from.
Usually, the most evil done in the name of Christ (such as intolerance of gays, or abortion clinic bombings) have strong secular and else-wise theistic factions lending support. Most of those issues are, beyond Christianity, still social taboos within our greater shared culture.
I have a lot to gripe about in regards to Christian behavior, but what you suggest is just inaccurate and asinine as a broad generalization.
'Christian morality' wouldn't be Christian morality if it didn't involve doing something because of a belief in the Christian God, whether this be good or bad within society.
I believe if you wish to have 'Christian morality' you are only being moral because OF Christianity, if you aren't then there's no need for the Christian label.
I also have a problem with 'contempory Christians', like it or not the religion is the same, if you don't follow what is written in the bible you aren't Christian..
But that isn't accepted within our 'greater shared culture', or in other words our secular, God free, consistant reality. These 'contemporary Christians' don't accept what is in the bible yet don't want to completely reject it as they fear death and the wrath of God.
Anyway basically what i'm trying to say is if someone has to be kind in the name of 'Christ' then they are not being kind because they wish to but because they believe that they have to, some Christians are kind for the sake of it..
Life is priceless, basic health care isn't something that should empty a person's wallet. So sad that people need to essentially beg for money in order to pay for an operation to save their life.
Well if atheist can help people, and Christians can help people, then why need a god to tell you to help people?? Technically JF777 should wish, or provoke, Tommy's death according to the bible (Deut 13:5). I think JezuzFreek777 is showing his atheistic side. He is not following God's word. lol
Most people don't smoke through their asshole, though I have seen a couple talented ladies on the net. Regardless, why does it matter? Nobody is going to care if you don't help out because he's a smoker, and the only one who's going to care if you do is Tommy.
I smoke a pack a day, so I'll see about trying to go smoke free for a day and donate the money I save from that.
He says he knows atheists can be kind and loving people...yet he believes in a book that says atheists are vile and can do no good. So which ones right?
i think people should relise that athiests arn't god haters, we just don't belive in a god, but that dosn't meen that we hate religeous people, live and let live thats what i say
@dardraa dude jezuzfreak is not billy graham. If you are going to insult people insult the right people. This type of thing is what unites us as humans. Human compassion is as innate in us as hate so we should respect one trying to exercise the positive and not the negative.
I won't argue with that. The american political system is extremely flawed in that regard; it allows just about anyone with a fat wallet to openly lobby politicians to gain their favor.
The problem is, if you look at opinion polls, a lot of average americans oppose healthcare reform as well.
thx free thinker for helping show that atheist are just as caring, sympathetic and moral people, we dont judge anybody at all, a person in need is a person in need ...... ive never donated before but i think this time i will
What makes you think I was "questioning his heart" in this? I said that he mentions the hurricane like it's a current event. So no, I didn't "diss" him. Also yes, I CAN "question his heart" if I really wanted to for some reason. I support what he is saying, that we should help people that need it when the time comes. Just please don't make broad/ignorant assumpions about what I am saying or what point I am trying to make. Thanks.
Man, out of work and needs a surgery...too bad we don't have that pesky universal health care thing conservatives despise because it will help all those lazy, good-for-nothing pot smokers.
I'm sorry you find your freedom to let sick people, who aren't as well off as others, get sicker or die to be so important to you. Others like myself have a sense of morality and strive to reduce the suffering of our fellow man and find that to be more important than being greedy. We find the well being of people to be more important than the superficial things of this world.
That's the exact definition of selfishness. Not only does it make you a twatty asshole cockfart of a person, but in this case, it is a hindrance to furthering the good of humankind.
there not conservatives, there a bunch of mindless drone that suck the dick of politicians whom bend over and take it in the ass for bank's, drug companies and big corporation's.
I dont want to sound like a d1ck but why is it that everytime a human is in need he only gets help from other humans and not from GOD? This is a good example, why cant prayer help? Why we need to collect money to help this guy ? What happened to the good old prayer? It does not work? Religious people always defend how good GOD is and he always helps when in need, yet when people are in need the only hand they get is from another human person...
It's simple, really. Most religious people know that folding their hands and talking to the ceiling doesn't do anything, but when they've given all the practical help they can and/or actually helping the situation is too difficult, prayer acts as a psychological consolation. It lets them think that they've done something to help, to ease their own conscience.
Bravo jezusfreak, thanks for putting aside your differences aside. Regardless of what anyone says and regardless of the debate, we can get together and help.
He does have insurance, but his deductible is 5000 dollars should he have the surgery. You should check out his latest video for info on his opinions on all of this
My respect for the individual has increase dramaticly, both for Jesusfreak, and for FFreethinker. Anyone who would and does choose compassion over argument lines deserves at least some respect.
I just watched his video. He does not want donations. I agree with him. He is not in the situation to have this kind of help to survive. Donations will make him uncomfortable. I offer him my best wishes.
Is there a mechanism set up (pay pal etc) to send money? Also how much so we need? In addition to giving are there any other services we could hook up with? I find it surprising that the hospitals are not offering services free. I know in RI hospitals will treat for free if there is no way you can pay for it.
This speaks to the issue of health care, I know I often hear the Christian Right talking about how evil the health care bill is. I hope they think about this real life example.
Why can't christians ever mind their own buisiness and keep their nose out of places where it doesn't belong.
It's too bad that the guy needs surgery but he specifically says he wants to earn the money instead of begging for it. Just respect his wishes instead of begging in his place.
I donated to the Katrina catastrophe, and I've donated a couple hundred to Haiti.
I'll not be donating to Tommy. Not because I think I've done my part, but because there's thousands of individuals, each needing my five bucks. I won't pick one. Causes I'll help. Individuals, especially unknown individuals... yeah, not so much.
Just be thankful this is one Christian showing compassion. Tommy needs all the help he can get, so it's stupid to tell him to F off just because he's a Christian. If anything it shows he's a bigger man then you.
According to his own video, this Tommy dude has $20,000 in alcohol collectables. Tell me, do you think he was considering other people while he wasted money on such junk? Reminds me of a crack addict who spends all their money on crack and then goes begging to buy food.
Wow, thanks for showing what a heartless prick you are. However, Tommy often donates to people who need it. Which from your attitude it's quite clear that's more then you.
@manhunt48 Oh please, I regularly donate money via direct debit to a couple of charities despite being a poor student myself. And as for collectables or smoking cigarettes, I certainly can't afford any.
@thorkyll So he has a collection?, some people like collecting things!, its probably something he has built up gradually over several years, no crime there.
And he aint asking for jack shit, in fact he is refusing donations, ... also, apparently he has thought about others in the past, ... so perhaps your words were a little unfair?
@M0THERKN0WSBEST My words are aimed that the douche bag, Jezuzfreak rather than personally at Tommy. I mean, the guy has spent on collectables, but what irritates me is this Jezuzfreak --- who is acting against Tommy's own wishes --- coming here and selling his tripe about how wonderful he is.
Yup!, ... and then you have a lot of people mirroring this video despite of Tommys words, but then I guess they just want to show their support for the guy.
Its funny thing the internet, peoples intentions and what they say can often be misunderstood.
@BlueWaveOfLight Get over it, if it wasn't for these dimwit brainwashed conservative Christians then Tommy would be getting free healthcare and this video wouldn't need to have been made in the first place.
lol, I'm not telling people not to donate to Tommy. I'm just giving constructive criticism which hopefully Tommy will read and take into consideration next time he has a job.
i have hard time believing that Jezuzfreek777 is a nice guy since his conservativ views on us gay people. would he help tommyfromthebronx if he was gay? or would he consider it? i know i a sound like an ass, but honestly?
@DrowningArt94 Agreed. I'm not gay but I have a hard time considering people to be "nice" when they have such a poor view of LGBT people. The same way I have a hard time considering people to be "nice" when they're racist.
well... he certainly wouldn't help if the bible didn't tell him to.
This is where the moral high ground gets shaken up. Most christians do "good deeds" because they think that if they do, they get into heaven, and if they don't, they go to hell. That isn't kindness or generosity, its more like making a purchase/ being extorted.
Secularists help people for the sake of helping people. We realize that this is our only life, and we want it to be as pleasant as possible, for ourselves and for others.
I can't believe your health care system. :( It would be enough for me to move away from there. I would not want to live where I had to choose between living or being financially ruined.
If I was a surgeon, and a Christian needed my skills to save his life, I would operate on him for free...but first he'd have to accept me as his lord and savior...otherwise, forget it.
I work for the nhs, and while part of what you say is true, it's only part of the story. The other part is my mum's just had quadruple heart bypass free at the point of delivery, no bills to pay at the end of November and is doing bloody marvellously! My son was born 5.5 weeks early and did not have the feed reflex, I did not have to pay anyone to save my son's life! and he's just about to have his 9th birthday. There is much that is good about the nhs!
@mireah Your mum didn't get her operation for free. Someone paid some taxes (including your mum and you) which paid for her surgery. Your sons life was saved by the taxes paid by someone else. NOTHING is free in life so don't equate the fact that nothing came out of your pockets at the point of surgery as that meaning that the operation was free. The doctors who performed the operations were paid by government who were funded by taxes extruded from SOMEone.
Yes that was ME paying MY TAXES, and since I work on a ward I also know it costs £400 a day to have a patient on the ward with us doing nothing more than feeding them! Tests, Operations and meds cost A LOT MORE. My pt is that my mum didn't get a bill for £1000's at the end of her stay! and some one didn't think she was a risk because she might not be able to pay. My mum's birthday is next month, and she'll still be alive to see it because of the nhs!
It's a shame that you trust someone else with the hard earned dollars you work for when there is ample evidence that governments more often than not spend the taxes garnered from you in irresponsible ways. Such as scams like $5000 wrenches, and poorly built roads etc because we ALL know that government run industries suck ass. Their budgets always go up year after year and who do they turn to pay for these increases? The saddle you with bigger and bigger taxes until there is only pulp.
and why do the really rich people in your country, even the not so rich, often go to other countries like the US where the free market is in play and medical procedures and knowledge have excelled? the REAL reason costs are so high in the US is that everyone sues everyone. doctors, who literally have your life in their hands, if they screw up even a LITTLE, they get sued. So they charge more to pay for the insurance premiums that they are forced to pay to ward off the suits that come their way
and those lawsuits aren't limited to the doctors themselves. most people sue the doctor, the manufactureres of medicines and support technology and the hospitals which act as the playing field for said operations, etc...
costs are also so high because of government intervention. It's like the housing market. If the government didn't have section 8 housing, then rental prices would be lower.
EVERY medical "section" that doesn't have government interference has gone down in price and up in quality. Breast enhancements, plastic surgery etc. etc.
I may be missing something and I will say here I am only responding to the comment above.
I am a disabled american who is on medicare and I say fuck anyone who would want to take away the only thing keeping my medicine and any possible medical care I need from beiong so expensive I couldn't afford them.
I need medicine for my psychological disorders and psychiatrists and therapy costs tens of thousands of dollars annualy EASY.
I don't earn $ I earn £. And I trust the nhs for the things that count as I've worked for it for over 15 years. I bet we give better value for money than your hospitals and bloody good care too!. And at least at the end of a horrible time in hospital (you're not on holliday m8) at least you're not handed a wopping bill of £40,000!
Yeah I'd like less taxes, but then I'd rather put up with the taxes and have the nhs we have than hear the horror stories of people NOT getting ops they need like we hear from people over in the states, or having to sell their home! How barbaric is that!
Aw come on! $ instead of lbs. You've GOT to be kidding Mireah! Pardon me but its constant stories I hear from people in Canada and Britain and other places with NHS that they wait months and months because some government handler decides that the bunyon that you're suffering from is JUST GONNA HAVE TO WAIT (and that's a light example). In America, if you want an operation tomorrow, you GET an operation tomorrow. What is your tax rate? 25-30% less than what I pay here.
I put money away for that rainy day that I plan for MYSELF. Not allowing some government handler to decide that the operation I want or need is really necessary. I'm sure there are plenty of god docs and nurses in the British NHS but I bet they'd be a WHOLE lot better if they had their own wealth earning power in their OWN hands. They spend YEARS studying, making a pittance, and then they get rewarded with good earning power over here. My dad is a Ped. and spent 14 years studying.
Or maybe it was 12 but whatever. My dad put himself through college working 3 jobs and studying to be a pediatrician. It took years for him to put together a practice that earned him good money. Doctors nowadays are scared shitless of being docs because of lawsuits run rampant and the grief they get for the prices they charge but that was 12 years of their life that they weren't earning good money... SHOULDnT their be a reward for hard work? NHS breeds mediocrity.
You don't know enough about our tax system and less about the way the modern nhs works. Find out first then come back to me and tell me it's broken. It isn't!
The nhs does not bread mediocrity, you've been listening to Americans that own or part own private hospitals that see potential earnings slipping away from them.
I work on a ward that deals with Cancer. Pancreatic, stomach, oesophageal ect. Once they've been seen by the GP they're refered to one of our consultants. That's al faxed now a days. Then they're seen that (we leave slots for suspected cases) by the time they reach us for operations or tests, their heads are spining it's taken that little time. it depends on when the patient goes first to see the gp! I still say we give good value for care
there are two sides to every coin. it may WORK but does it really WORK or does the government keep throwing more and more money into the system. I heard that back in the 40's or 50's when NHS was instituted in Britain that the government was putting in like 30% of their budget into it and nowadays it something like 60-70%. I could look it up but I suspect that you'd slough it off as propaganda. The same happens here with government run industries. It doesn't work so they throw more money at it.
Good Video.. Thanks for shared. Very-very Infomative.
Spasatcom 2 weeks ago
Really? How do you know this guy really needs a procedure? He doesn't have insurance but he does have a computer! And a web camera? His family won't generate the funds? How many people you think will see this video? What procedure would cost that little? If you're such a believer then why wouldn't you make a video calling on people to join together in prayer for the raising of money...or even for healing for that matter!
JennyCeasar 2 weeks ago
i think would rather die than get help from jezuzfreek. i fucking hate this guy
luxfero 6 months ago
This is why I actually like Jezuzfreek777. He might be unreasonable but he sure as hell has a heart.
glassessn 9 months ago
@glassessn Is his heart from within or from fear of Hell?
G3org3Master 5 months ago
@G3org3Master How the hell should I know?
glassessn 5 months ago
@glassessn Exactly, so don't assume that he has a heart, he could just be motivated by fear.
G3org3Master 5 months ago
@G3org3Master I can assume whenever I want. We don't know for sure what he is motivated by. I am sure it's a mixture of both. He can also be motivated by fear. But who the fuck cares. This isn't something political, so if I want to assume that one person has a heart, I will do it, so shut the fuck up and leave me alone.
glassessn 5 months ago
@glassessn I assume you are a tranny.
G3org3Master 5 months ago
@G3org3Master alright
glassessn 5 months ago
@glassessn lol sorry man
G3org3Master 5 months ago
what about faith or prayer? so, this is one of those times magic man in the sky is not able to deliver!!!! he can manufacture a million different animals on the planet, a billion stars but can not send a few bucks to his "followers"....
lapiz1969 1 year ago
i think tommy can ask for himself if he wants it, i think u just want to keep the money to ur self ,why do that men thats not right i click one of ur links and it's not there it loks like u was tryin to screw tommy dude ur fraud!!!!!
mysteryman2781 1 year ago
It's a loving god who answers all prayers if your faith is strong enough. Just pray for him! :P
mythinktube 1 year ago
The beard is cute, but the hair transplanting has to go <3
SteeveeStrange 1 year ago
that guy looks like my religion teacher who got blood cancer. I hope he learnt his lesson.
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?
helvet666 1 year ago
To be honest, Im not sure I can trust this guy, he has a history of being fairly against collaboration with people that hold nontheistic beleifs, those his cause seems noble, I think hes more or less trying to glamorize his faith, listen to him speak. Then he tries to squander around saying "Oh, atheists are ok too" after ranting aabout how amazing his faith is, a bit fishy, but nopt much we can do
HogJuice66 1 year ago
If god is so powerful...why doesn't he just pray for him??? No need for doctors at all.
rjurban101 1 year ago 7
I hate to sound cruel or that I'm using someone's misfortune to make my argument,but isn't what Tommy needs right now(a decent,not for profit healthcare system)EXACTLY what the Repubs(who are the party supported by the majority of bornagain and fundie Christians)rally so much against?Isn't trying to help Tommy and people like him the very definition of socialist?Yes,helping the poor and needy does seem like something Jesus would support,but sadly not most of his professed followers.
bkelsey4 1 year ago 10
I'd have to disagree with your assessment that we need a healthcare system here in the US. We ALREADY have a social security network and Medicare/medicaid. And what does the govt do? They SELECTIVELY pay out Medicare to those who need it. What makes you think a NHS system wouldn be different? We don't NEED a new healthcare system. Let's fix the one we have in place. Besides that, we simply cannot AFFORD one with our govt being in debt to the tune of 12 TRILLION dollars. It's suicide...
TexAtheist 1 year ago
That 12 trillion dollars doesn't even take into account the TRILLIONS that are promised in the future by our govt to Social Security and Medicare/medicaid recipients. And you want to add another program to the equation such that we as taxpayers are strapped with even more debt? What about your grandchildren and great grandchildren? They'll never know a time when we weren't out of debt. It's amazing to me that KNOWing how in debt we are we still think we can spend our way out of it. Ugh! Wake up!
TexAtheist 1 year ago
Okay,TexAtheist,this is how we pay for a quality healthcare system that actually treates everyone without forcing them to decide between paying their mortage or seeking medical care:use the tax money being wasted on the two wars we're fighting and the insane taxbreaks given to the rich and use it for healthcare.I'll known too many people who are hard working,barely getting by,but too "wealthy"for Medicaid.If we're really against socialized healthcare,why not end Medicare?Because the elderly vote
bkelsey4 1 year ago
The real problem is not the idea of NHS, but the implementation of it, run under the control of govt bureaucrats who have already shown the same proclivities as any insurance company currently practicing here in the US, or around the world. What makes you think that our govt, who have already run Social Security, Amtrak and Medicare into the ground, will be ANY more effective at taking 1/7th of our economy and running it?! Doing the same thing over expecting a different result is insanity.
TexAtheist 1 year ago
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TexAtheist 1 year ago
Seriously, they're crooks who have voted themselves automated cost of living raises and given themselves a special healthcare plan and lifetime benefits once they leave office. And you want to trust them with MORE of my and your money? Nevermind though because pretty soon the creditors will come calling and we'll REALLY be in a pickle. I bet that even if we were to run surpluses for the next 50 years we'd STILL have trouble paying off our current, and future promised payments to SS and Medicare
TexAtheist 1 year ago
@bkelsey4
No, trying to helpTommy is not socialist. Taking someone else's money through coercion to Tommy is socialist.
help4343 1 year ago
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help4343 1 year ago
@bkelsey4
BTW studies show that Rupublicans donate more money to charity than Democrats.
help4343 1 year ago
@help4343 They also commit more crime... so what does that mean, they're all Robin Hood? Take your junk stats elsewhere, or provide links to sound scientific studies. What you'll likely find is Republicans donate more because 98% of wealthy people vote Republicans because they protect the rich and shaft the poor. However, if you look at a PERCENTAGE of gross income donated to charity, you'll see Democrats donate more. There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Paint it how you like.
OrthodoxAtheist 1 year ago
@OrthodoxAtheist
Nope, democrats also make more money.
help4343 1 year ago
Maybe the pope is watching, he's loaded!
Lots of stolen gold in his basement...
arends2106 1 year ago
...so if you really believe in God/Jesus in the bible, GO HEAL THE GUY.
I know I look like a horrible person using someone's sickness to make a point, but YouTube Christians preaching and pretending to "tell the truth", and "know the truth"---and yet, when push comes to shove, you know you're faith is hollow, the bible is bullshit, and it's HUMANS helping humans that makes our world a better place.
So what are you deep down? A bible believing Christian? Or a Humanist? Be honest for once.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
I feel for anyone in need as well...however...
Why are you trying to get Tommy money? That's a HUMANIST way of thinking, and goes completely against what the bible teaches.
(1) You're suppose to hate/convert or kill Atheists.
(2) Even if you decided to only take the gospels as "truth" in the bible, then why aren't you just going over there and healing him yourself? Jesus said many times, that his followers can heal the sick, and anyone who prays in his name will be answered....
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
so let me get this straight...all I hear from conservative Christians is how "health care is communist/socialist/the devil's work" and how it's so evil...I guess that only lasts until someone you know is sick and can't afford health care.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
Vote Democrat and push for health reform legislation. Then everyone will be able to afford to go to the doctor.
ozweblogs 1 year ago
i would help but choose not to because there is healthcare for the poor I know about it because i was on it at a young age. even had surgery that I needed on it. have those options been exuasted?
oblufire 1 year ago
Why doesn´t he just pray to his god?
namnack 1 year ago
Tommy pray to his god? He doesn't have one!
xchampbearx 1 year ago
Not bad jezuzfreek. Humanity comes first, everything else is trivial.
PakistaniAtheist 1 year ago
lets put religion aside... and help the suffering.
religion is not an issue,your point is good
and there is no way to argue with that.
Im´m an atheist,and that term is just good for religios people not for me.
I can not deny something that does not exist.
jhbdfbksdhgfjldsnglg 1 year ago
@jhbdfbksdhgfjldsnglg Being an atheist could aswell include "i do not believe that there is a giant tomato
with high IQ living on a planet named wulderitz and that this tomato told humans how to use wax on a mustache"
If there was a term denying this creature like "evonger",I´m an evonger.
I´m an evonger and an atheist...but let´s help those in need ok.
jhbdfbksdhgfjldsnglg 1 year ago
How the hell do you remember your name when you have to log in?
iSOBigD 1 year ago
Jezuz is retarded
Kougeki1000 1 year ago
Christians are kind only to try and get favour with God, Atheists are kind because they want to be, I don't think they're on even ground at all in terms of moral standards.
To be honest, I wouldn't donate anything unless I knew what the surgery was for. I don't think too much for people that have self inflicted health issues, and I wouldn't be surprised if his surgery was for smoking or similar.
XainSF 1 year ago
"Christians are kind only to try and get favour with God, Atheists are kind because they want to be"
Contemporary Christian Morality has little to do with the bible, though the bible is often used to justify their morality. Atheists and Christians get their morals from the same source; their parents and culture. While it's true that some Christians are only behaved because they fear hell or love Christ, I suspect those are the minority. The carrot on the stick is cheapening, but not defining.
Sinuev1 1 year ago
To suggest that Christians are only good to curry favor with their proclaimed savior is merely a rehash of that old bullshit argument many theists have pulled claiming that atheists are liars, murdered, thieves, and other flavors of bastard without a foundation in Christ.
Truth is, the only difference morally is that scripture as a rigid dogma can clumsily be used to endorse atrocities if the alternative means criticizing scripture. Mostly past atrocities as well, that we've all learned from.
Sinuev1 1 year ago
Usually, the most evil done in the name of Christ (such as intolerance of gays, or abortion clinic bombings) have strong secular and else-wise theistic factions lending support. Most of those issues are, beyond Christianity, still social taboos within our greater shared culture.
I have a lot to gripe about in regards to Christian behavior, but what you suggest is just inaccurate and asinine as a broad generalization.
Sinuev1 1 year ago
'Christian morality' wouldn't be Christian morality if it didn't involve doing something because of a belief in the Christian God, whether this be good or bad within society.
I believe if you wish to have 'Christian morality' you are only being moral because OF Christianity, if you aren't then there's no need for the Christian label.
I also have a problem with 'contempory Christians', like it or not the religion is the same, if you don't follow what is written in the bible you aren't Christian..
XainSF 1 year ago
But that isn't accepted within our 'greater shared culture', or in other words our secular, God free, consistant reality. These 'contemporary Christians' don't accept what is in the bible yet don't want to completely reject it as they fear death and the wrath of God.
Anyway basically what i'm trying to say is if someone has to be kind in the name of 'Christ' then they are not being kind because they wish to but because they believe that they have to, some Christians are kind for the sake of it..
XainSF 1 year ago
..but then that would be no different than an Atheist, so to say it's a Christian trait to be good etc is wrong and elitist.
XainSF 1 year ago
Let's all band together to help jezusfreak by voting for healthcare reform.
FuturePants 1 year ago
There we go. Private insurance serving your medical needs, right? :)
polysmart 1 year ago
Life is priceless, basic health care isn't something that should empty a person's wallet. So sad that people need to essentially beg for money in order to pay for an operation to save their life.
njb444 1 year ago 2
Well if atheist can help people, and Christians can help people, then why need a god to tell you to help people?? Technically JF777 should wish, or provoke, Tommy's death according to the bible (Deut 13:5). I think JezuzFreek777 is showing his atheistic side. He is not following God's word. lol
funkyplayer4212 1 year ago
How about everyonr who sees this write congress and demand a one payer system. That would help more than just tommy.
cujomade101 1 year ago 3
Hehe. If i was Tommy i would stay a few hundred blocks away from jesusfreek. But i am sure he is touched in any case.
TheSpankymonkey 1 year ago
lol, tough cookies.
Justinfhtube 1 year ago
He doesn't seem like a horrible guy, but I still can't get over the fucked up way he tried to justify biblical slavery...
WerewolfOfTheWater 1 year ago
I just clicked on your TOMMYfromtheBRONX vid link...
Sorry, this might be sounding harsh but the sick guy that needs money is the dude with a cigarette in his hands?
EVITPOF 1 year ago
He's getting his lower intestines removed. It has nothing to do with smoking. Maybe Tommy is trying to quit as far as you know.
Justinfhtube 1 year ago
@Justinfhtube : a lot of intestine problems are caused by smoking.
EVITPOF 1 year ago
Oh...well....I didn't know that. What are some of those problems?
Justinfhtube 1 year ago
I think he is making that up about smoking causing intestinal problems.
theshadowify 1 year ago
duodenal cancer, colon cancer, stomach cancer...
much much more check out medical procedure channels here on youtube - real yummy!
EVITPOF 1 year ago
Does he have cancer?
JamUpAndJellyTIght 1 year ago
Most people don't smoke through their asshole, though I have seen a couple talented ladies on the net. Regardless, why does it matter? Nobody is going to care if you don't help out because he's a smoker, and the only one who's going to care if you do is Tommy.
I smoke a pack a day, so I'll see about trying to go smoke free for a day and donate the money I save from that.
Sinuev1 1 year ago
what? Your surgery cost you money?
thank god i dont live in USA
Avatarrokuu 1 year ago 4
Yes, that is one reason I am a vocal critic of the US Healthcare system (which I am luckily not subject to.)
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
So, basically, nothing useful at all to add to this discussion at all huh? Thanks!
ArranoGris 1 year ago
ya, we have a horribly corrupt freemarket system...
64caloriesofawesome 1 year ago
If you want to help this poor close-minded guy, stop supporting the republicans and let Obama do his job on Health Care.
justtoseeit 1 year ago 2
I'm glad he's being honest. He says that he's helping because the bible tells him to.
But regardless of his reasons, I appreciate his help. Too bad I don't have any way of donating.
JimHisself 1 year ago
He says he knows atheists can be kind and loving people...yet he believes in a book that says atheists are vile and can do no good. So which ones right?
teamhex 1 year ago
i think people should relise that athiests arn't god haters, we just don't belive in a god, but that dosn't meen that we hate religeous people, live and let live thats what i say
superstrok99 1 year ago
Well said.
tdp1909 1 year ago
WHAT? WHY SUPPORT HAITI? i thought god was punishing Haiti! HOW DARE YOU DENY GODS POWER! DONT GIVE HAITI MONEY! IT WILL ONLY ANGER GOD!
dardraa 1 year ago 2
Just because we love God does not mean we all feel that way!
smoothsailing07 1 year ago
@dardraa dude jezuzfreak is not billy graham. If you are going to insult people insult the right people. This type of thing is what unites us as humans. Human compassion is as innate in us as hate so we should respect one trying to exercise the positive and not the negative.
lolmos 1 year ago
@lolmos you deny gods will? burn in hell.
dardraa 1 year ago
@dardraa u'r barking at the wrong atheist dude.
lolmos 1 year ago
im an atheist too, did u not see any of the sarcasm?
dardraa 1 year ago
@dardraa touché.
lolmos 1 year ago
Watching this video sickened me, not because of the video itself, but because it was necessary to make it at all.
I don't understand the american opposition to universal healthcare. This seems almost nonsensical to me.
ISDP1337 1 year ago 5
most people want healthcare reform, but american people does not run the government. banks and companies do.
mosniper831 1 year ago
I won't argue with that. The american political system is extremely flawed in that regard; it allows just about anyone with a fat wallet to openly lobby politicians to gain their favor.
The problem is, if you look at opinion polls, a lot of average americans oppose healthcare reform as well.
ISDP1337 1 year ago
thx free thinker for helping show that atheist are just as caring, sympathetic and moral people, we dont judge anybody at all, a person in need is a person in need ...... ive never donated before but i think this time i will
TaNgLeD2121 1 year ago
He acts like Katrina hit just the other day or something.
seanThree16 1 year ago
@seanThree16 don't diss him for wanting to help so his wording was a little off but you cant question his heart in this
abominableangel 1 year ago
What makes you think I was "questioning his heart" in this? I said that he mentions the hurricane like it's a current event. So no, I didn't "diss" him. Also yes, I CAN "question his heart" if I really wanted to for some reason. I support what he is saying, that we should help people that need it when the time comes. Just please don't make broad/ignorant assumpions about what I am saying or what point I am trying to make. Thanks.
seanThree16 1 year ago
"...it is a great christian attitude, eh, it is a quality of a christian to be giving and loving"
Wow he is really trying not to get money from clear thinking people.
fergy1982 1 year ago
@fergy1982 his theology may be different from tommy's but he states at 1:56 that the theology isnt important
abominableangel 1 year ago
@mathmexican4234: EXACTLY,
NUGNESS123 1 year ago
Nnnope, I'd rather see people suffer.
Ragecleaver 1 year ago
Give the guy a break. I don't agree with his beliefs, for certain, but he's doing a good thing here. Good for FFreeThinker for sharing this.
jfesmire 1 year ago 3
Were all are in need of help now a days. Wheres my handouts.
LBTennis 1 year ago
Man, out of work and needs a surgery...too bad we don't have that pesky universal health care thing conservatives despise because it will help all those lazy, good-for-nothing pot smokers.
mathmexican4234 1 year ago 9
This comment has received too many negative votes show
i dispise universal health care because it infringes on my freedom, plain and simple, i don't really care how many people it helps.
bradmanthethird 1 year ago
@bradmanthethird
I assume you feel the same way about Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, unemployment insurance, and the like.
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
Really, how? Personally I smell some BS about to roll in. Prove me wrong.
ivnuzi 1 year ago
@bradmanthethird
I'm sorry you find your freedom to let sick people, who aren't as well off as others, get sicker or die to be so important to you. Others like myself have a sense of morality and strive to reduce the suffering of our fellow man and find that to be more important than being greedy. We find the well being of people to be more important than the superficial things of this world.
mathmexican4234 1 year ago 3
@bradmanthethird
You're a dick. I hope you die a horrible death.
xccmx 1 year ago
@bradmanthethird
still waiting for the punctline...
Warcraftinator 1 year ago
@bradmanthethird
That's the exact definition of selfishness. Not only does it make you a twatty asshole cockfart of a person, but in this case, it is a hindrance to furthering the good of humankind.
JimHisself 1 year ago
there not conservatives, there a bunch of mindless drone that suck the dick of politicians whom bend over and take it in the ass for bank's, drug companies and big corporation's.
mosniper831 1 year ago
I dont want to sound like a d1ck but why is it that everytime a human is in need he only gets help from other humans and not from GOD? This is a good example, why cant prayer help? Why we need to collect money to help this guy ? What happened to the good old prayer? It does not work? Religious people always defend how good GOD is and he always helps when in need, yet when people are in need the only hand they get is from another human person...
gskowal 1 year ago 6
@gskowal
It's simple, really. Most religious people know that folding their hands and talking to the ceiling doesn't do anything, but when they've given all the practical help they can and/or actually helping the situation is too difficult, prayer acts as a psychological consolation. It lets them think that they've done something to help, to ease their own conscience.
JimHisself 1 year ago
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ganggreensoldier 1 year ago
Here's the deal: I'll donate however much Jesus is donating.
LOL
thorkyll 1 year ago 5
just move to canada then move back to us after surgery. nub.
Mrxb0x 1 year ago 3
I should add that I think JF's heart is in the right place here.
M0THERKN0WSBEST 1 year ago
Bravo jezusfreak, thanks for putting aside your differences aside. Regardless of what anyone says and regardless of the debate, we can get together and help.
MrEnrique223 1 year ago
Haha, we're on mutual ground...when you want money. How pathetic.
Dgc2003 1 year ago
Thanks i appreciate this !!
TOMMYfromtheBRONX 1 year ago 9
Tommy should move to Canada.
ChaosmanOne 1 year ago 2
doesn't he have insurance?
he should save some money from his pay packet for things like this.
Philip0209 1 year ago 2
He does have insurance, but his deductible is 5000 dollars should he have the surgery. You should check out his latest video for info on his opinions on all of this
divick630 1 year ago
Wow, when people's opinion of someone increases so much........ it kind of lowers my opinion of the person, lol.
thorkyll 1 year ago
what a joke Go to the state for free medical thats what welfare is for
machippy 1 year ago 2
My respect for the individual has increase dramaticly, both for Jesusfreak, and for FFreethinker. Anyone who would and does choose compassion over argument lines deserves at least some respect.
shoopoop21 1 year ago
I just watched his video. He does not want donations. I agree with him. He is not in the situation to have this kind of help to survive. Donations will make him uncomfortable. I offer him my best wishes.
ganggan 1 year ago 2
We need socialized health care now.
The public option is the only way.
judoyodan 1 year ago 7
bah, no human is worth my daily lunch.
loturos 1 year ago 2
So what kind of surgery does he need?
espn1337 1 year ago
Something to do with his small intestine being removed, according to his own video
thorkyll 1 year ago
Is there a mechanism set up (pay pal etc) to send money? Also how much so we need? In addition to giving are there any other services we could hook up with? I find it surprising that the hospitals are not offering services free. I know in RI hospitals will treat for free if there is no way you can pay for it.
This speaks to the issue of health care, I know I often hear the Christian Right talking about how evil the health care bill is. I hope they think about this real life example.
educatedAtheist 1 year ago
Why can't christians ever mind their own buisiness and keep their nose out of places where it doesn't belong.
It's too bad that the guy needs surgery but he specifically says he wants to earn the money instead of begging for it. Just respect his wishes instead of begging in his place.
Maaike2356 1 year ago 3
Jezuzfreek is irrelevant to the issue.
I donated to the Katrina catastrophe, and I've donated a couple hundred to Haiti.
I'll not be donating to Tommy. Not because I think I've done my part, but because there's thousands of individuals, each needing my five bucks. I won't pick one. Causes I'll help. Individuals, especially unknown individuals... yeah, not so much.
jmthetank 1 year ago 3
Jezuzfreek777, why are you turning to atheists for help? Go f-ck off and pray to Jesus for help, see how much he cares. ^_^
thorkyll 1 year ago
Just be thankful this is one Christian showing compassion. Tommy needs all the help he can get, so it's stupid to tell him to F off just because he's a Christian. If anything it shows he's a bigger man then you.
manhunt48 1 year ago
According to his own video, this Tommy dude has $20,000 in alcohol collectables. Tell me, do you think he was considering other people while he wasted money on such junk? Reminds me of a crack addict who spends all their money on crack and then goes begging to buy food.
thorkyll 1 year ago
....and he can obviously afford to smoke cigarettes, which are not cheap.
thorkyll 1 year ago
Wow, thanks for showing what a heartless prick you are. However, Tommy often donates to people who need it. Which from your attitude it's quite clear that's more then you.
Tommy has collectable, OH NOES, so what?
manhunt48 1 year ago
@manhunt48 Oh please, I regularly donate money via direct debit to a couple of charities despite being a poor student myself. And as for collectables or smoking cigarettes, I certainly can't afford any.
thorkyll 1 year ago
And neither can tommy afford them SINCE HE LOST HIS JOB, hence why he's selling them.
manhunt48 1 year ago
not to mention he bought them years ago and their value increased over time since they were kept in mint shape.
dawn0293 1 year ago
@manhunt48 Well, next time he's in a job, perhaps he won't spend on useless crap in case he loses his job. People don't seem to think ahead.
thorkyll 1 year ago 2
@thorkyll So he has a collection?, some people like collecting things!, its probably something he has built up gradually over several years, no crime there.
And he aint asking for jack shit, in fact he is refusing donations, ... also, apparently he has thought about others in the past, ... so perhaps your words were a little unfair?
M0THERKN0WSBEST 1 year ago
@M0THERKN0WSBEST My words are aimed that the douche bag, Jezuzfreak rather than personally at Tommy. I mean, the guy has spent on collectables, but what irritates me is this Jezuzfreak --- who is acting against Tommy's own wishes --- coming here and selling his tripe about how wonderful he is.
thorkyll 1 year ago
Yup!, ... and then you have a lot of people mirroring this video despite of Tommys words, but then I guess they just want to show their support for the guy.
Its funny thing the internet, peoples intentions and what they say can often be misunderstood.
But I know what you mean.
M0THERKN0WSBEST 1 year ago
@thorkyll As an Atheist I condemn your opinion as pathetic and meanspirited
BlueWaveOfLight 1 year ago
@BlueWaveOfLight Get over it, if it wasn't for these dimwit brainwashed conservative Christians then Tommy would be getting free healthcare and this video wouldn't need to have been made in the first place.
thorkyll 1 year ago 3
Some people are just cunts and he happens to be one of them - let it go/ It's not like such people can be talked into having empathy.
dawn0293 1 year ago
Whatever dude, I bet I've given more to charity than you have.
thorkyll 1 year ago
Stop with the dick waving contest already and go troll elsewhere.
dawn0293 1 year ago
Ofcourse you have . . . You finding any BS excuse to make people not help tommy really shows you to be charitable a charitable.
FFS, you're nearly as intellectually dishonest as fundies.
manhunt48 1 year ago
lol, I'm not telling people not to donate to Tommy. I'm just giving constructive criticism which hopefully Tommy will read and take into consideration next time he has a job.
thorkyll 1 year ago
@qbe9584 Why is Frrethinker showing this video? Unless to show you this good will gesture, im not falling for it
shawndimery 1 year ago
i have hard time believing that Jezuzfreek777 is a nice guy since his conservativ views on us gay people. would he help tommyfromthebronx if he was gay? or would he consider it? i know i a sound like an ass, but honestly?
DrowningArt94 1 year ago
@DrowningArt94 Agreed. I'm not gay but I have a hard time considering people to be "nice" when they have such a poor view of LGBT people. The same way I have a hard time considering people to be "nice" when they're racist.
Robin12340 1 year ago
well... he certainly wouldn't help if the bible didn't tell him to.
This is where the moral high ground gets shaken up. Most christians do "good deeds" because they think that if they do, they get into heaven, and if they don't, they go to hell. That isn't kindness or generosity, its more like making a purchase/ being extorted.
Secularists help people for the sake of helping people. We realize that this is our only life, and we want it to be as pleasant as possible, for ourselves and for others.
JimHisself 1 year ago
I don't have nothing against a charitable cause. So, good for you jesusfreak. I'm not a christian, though. But this time, you make sense.
TheBeyonder77 1 year ago 2
USA! USA! USA! USA!
I can't believe your health care system. :( It would be enough for me to move away from there. I would not want to live where I had to choose between living or being financially ruined.
bleunt 1 year ago 6
Charity Begins At Home
lodevijk 1 year ago
Who is this? And what have you done with Jezuzfreek?!?!?
:)
AtheistdotEDU 1 year ago 2
If I was a surgeon, and a Christian needed my skills to save his life, I would operate on him for free...but first he'd have to accept me as his lord and savior...otherwise, forget it.
DarkMatter2525 1 year ago 7
@DarkMatter2525
or at least his savior ;D
JimHisself 1 year ago
:'( no religious debate makes me sad. OK, let's get this chap back on his feet so we can shout at eachother again.
wimscheers 1 year ago
m8 the NHS is ok at times but its usually over crowded least near me and you go in for 1 sickness and come out with 5 lol
homer004 1 year ago
I work for the nhs, and while part of what you say is true, it's only part of the story. The other part is my mum's just had quadruple heart bypass free at the point of delivery, no bills to pay at the end of November and is doing bloody marvellously! My son was born 5.5 weeks early and did not have the feed reflex, I did not have to pay anyone to save my son's life! and he's just about to have his 9th birthday. There is much that is good about the nhs!
mireah 1 year ago 4
@mireah Your mum didn't get her operation for free. Someone paid some taxes (including your mum and you) which paid for her surgery. Your sons life was saved by the taxes paid by someone else. NOTHING is free in life so don't equate the fact that nothing came out of your pockets at the point of surgery as that meaning that the operation was free. The doctors who performed the operations were paid by government who were funded by taxes extruded from SOMEone.
TexAtheist 1 year ago
Yes that was ME paying MY TAXES, and since I work on a ward I also know it costs £400 a day to have a patient on the ward with us doing nothing more than feeding them! Tests, Operations and meds cost A LOT MORE. My pt is that my mum didn't get a bill for £1000's at the end of her stay! and some one didn't think she was a risk because she might not be able to pay. My mum's birthday is next month, and she'll still be alive to see it because of the nhs!
mireah 1 year ago
It's a shame that you trust someone else with the hard earned dollars you work for when there is ample evidence that governments more often than not spend the taxes garnered from you in irresponsible ways. Such as scams like $5000 wrenches, and poorly built roads etc because we ALL know that government run industries suck ass. Their budgets always go up year after year and who do they turn to pay for these increases? The saddle you with bigger and bigger taxes until there is only pulp.
TexAtheist 1 year ago
and why do the really rich people in your country, even the not so rich, often go to other countries like the US where the free market is in play and medical procedures and knowledge have excelled? the REAL reason costs are so high in the US is that everyone sues everyone. doctors, who literally have your life in their hands, if they screw up even a LITTLE, they get sued. So they charge more to pay for the insurance premiums that they are forced to pay to ward off the suits that come their way
TexAtheist 1 year ago
and those lawsuits aren't limited to the doctors themselves. most people sue the doctor, the manufactureres of medicines and support technology and the hospitals which act as the playing field for said operations, etc...
TexAtheist 1 year ago
costs are also so high because of government intervention. It's like the housing market. If the government didn't have section 8 housing, then rental prices would be lower.
EVERY medical "section" that doesn't have government interference has gone down in price and up in quality. Breast enhancements, plastic surgery etc. etc.
Get rid of medicare/medicaid imo
RikaKazak 1 year ago
@RikaKazak. Good points, Rika.
Intellisecular 1 year ago 2
I may be missing something and I will say here I am only responding to the comment above.
I am a disabled american who is on medicare and I say fuck anyone who would want to take away the only thing keeping my medicine and any possible medical care I need from beiong so expensive I couldn't afford them.
I need medicine for my psychological disorders and psychiatrists and therapy costs tens of thousands of dollars annualy EASY.
Try NEEDING medicare THEN make that statement.
FuturePants 1 year ago
I don't earn $ I earn £. And I trust the nhs for the things that count as I've worked for it for over 15 years. I bet we give better value for money than your hospitals and bloody good care too!. And at least at the end of a horrible time in hospital (you're not on holliday m8) at least you're not handed a wopping bill of £40,000!
mireah 1 year ago
Yeah I'd like less taxes, but then I'd rather put up with the taxes and have the nhs we have than hear the horror stories of people NOT getting ops they need like we hear from people over in the states, or having to sell their home! How barbaric is that!
mireah 1 year ago
Aw come on! $ instead of lbs. You've GOT to be kidding Mireah! Pardon me but its constant stories I hear from people in Canada and Britain and other places with NHS that they wait months and months because some government handler decides that the bunyon that you're suffering from is JUST GONNA HAVE TO WAIT (and that's a light example). In America, if you want an operation tomorrow, you GET an operation tomorrow. What is your tax rate? 25-30% less than what I pay here.
TexAtheist 1 year ago
I put money away for that rainy day that I plan for MYSELF. Not allowing some government handler to decide that the operation I want or need is really necessary. I'm sure there are plenty of god docs and nurses in the British NHS but I bet they'd be a WHOLE lot better if they had their own wealth earning power in their OWN hands. They spend YEARS studying, making a pittance, and then they get rewarded with good earning power over here. My dad is a Ped. and spent 14 years studying.
TexAtheist 1 year ago
Or maybe it was 12 but whatever. My dad put himself through college working 3 jobs and studying to be a pediatrician. It took years for him to put together a practice that earned him good money. Doctors nowadays are scared shitless of being docs because of lawsuits run rampant and the grief they get for the prices they charge but that was 12 years of their life that they weren't earning good money... SHOULDnT their be a reward for hard work? NHS breeds mediocrity.
TexAtheist 1 year ago
You don't know enough about our tax system and less about the way the modern nhs works. Find out first then come back to me and tell me it's broken. It isn't!
The nhs does not bread mediocrity, you've been listening to Americans that own or part own private hospitals that see potential earnings slipping away from them.
mireah 1 year ago
I work on a ward that deals with Cancer. Pancreatic, stomach, oesophageal ect. Once they've been seen by the GP they're refered to one of our consultants. That's al faxed now a days. Then they're seen that (we leave slots for suspected cases) by the time they reach us for operations or tests, their heads are spining it's taken that little time. it depends on when the patient goes first to see the gp! I still say we give good value for care
mireah 1 year ago
there are two sides to every coin. it may WORK but does it really WORK or does the government keep throwing more and more money into the system. I heard that back in the 40's or 50's when NHS was instituted in Britain that the government was putting in like 30% of their budget into it and nowadays it something like 60-70%. I could look it up but I suspect that you'd slough it off as propaganda. The same happens here with government run industries. It doesn't work so they throw more money at it.
TexAtheist 1 year ago