I've been inspired by your video and I've built a stock for my 5 years stallion. it is the best draft horse ever but we have a big work for shoeing.I wish to be so patient like this.
They shouldn´t have put new shoes under these terrible damaged hooves. They should have waited and given the hooves the time to heal. This is the worst job ever. I´d be ashamed taking a horse with such bad hooves to a market for demonstration.
I wonder who the owner of this horse is and if someone told him to take his horse to the farrier weeks earlier. Letting it come to this is pure animal abuse.
It may not be the farriers fault for the condition of the hoofs.I have never used stocks to shoe a draft,but i don't think it would be a problem if the horse was calm.You should not burn a shoe on for more then 5 seconds.the heat will transfer to live sole.The shoes were to long at the toe and to tight at the heels.He left better then he arrived,but not much better
I can't believe how terrible this horses feet were before the work - and AFTER bleh, it was literally a hack job.... poor horse. The farrier school should be embarrassed.
To be fair, if you look all the horses hooves looked to be in a terribly unattended state for at least some time. Is this not more an initial trimming and fixing up?
I didn't know putting the horse shoes in Heat was a technicle also used in other countries besides the mine. Too bad so many people here have no idea about the technicles for putting the shoes in horses' hooves.
the travaille is a really common way to use with a heavy draft horse.. they are used to it, and from my experience, a big draft horse usually finds it more comfortable to lay his hoof on the frame. and also, do you know how heavy his foot is ? if he couldn't use that he wouldn't even last 2 years as a farrier because his back would just be shattered.
This demonstration is really unacceptable. This so called shoer should be cleaning stalls. The hooves on the sweet horse should have been attended to way before this demo. Didn't like the in-accurate trimming and then the long burn in to seat the shoe was because he butchered the hoof by chopping away at it. Give this guy a manure fork and a rake and send me the horse and I will get it done right,,ken
@kenparrillo You have no idea about what's going on here. There are two technicles to put the shoes on a horse' hooves. One is called "in Cold", and I guess it's the one you know. The other one is called "in heat" and it's this one: basically the dead hoove tissues are burned and the shoe catches the hoove' shape. When it happens: it is DESINFECTATED. Bacteria and other parasites in hooves are killed, and the shoe catches the hoove' shape perfectly. Of course the horse feels nothing.
@Laikangarou I'm afraid I do. I have had horses since 1957 and have never seen such a more miserable display of shoeing.You look like you are chiseling a tree rather than shoeing a horse. The uneven chiseling, the burn time and the lousy fitting I think you out to seek another trade and that's my Honest Opinion of what I watched. Maybe you could tutor with someone that knows how to do the job properly
All my life I've seen draft horses shoed like this. There is nothing wrong with it. The horses don't mind being tied up or the hot iron. It's tradition, done for ages. Obviously the draft doesn't mind. The travaille(or whatever the english word is) makes it easier for a farrier to do multiply horses in a day. But I do agree that the horse should have gone to the farrier sooner.
@TheSqueenie Hmm yeah look a bit cruel, but I think its for the safty of the horse and the people. It dosn´t look like the horse feel unwell or is stressed. Cows get no other treatment when they get their claws cut and no one seams to commiserate them. At least a horse is not more for a farmer than a good cow.
Really be angry that no one makes the hooves earlier. Hope this Freak must pay good money for the shoes.
All I can say is I'm very, very glad my horses are shod in England! There is no way I would let anyone like this even LOOK at my horses feet! And as for the contraption and ropes? I am not a farrier, but my horses have been shod every 7-8 weeks for twenty years, so you get to know what is and what isn't acceptable!
YES this horses feet should have been done MONTHS ago. Im from the US & I have never in my life seen something like that. that there is no reaction to an entire crowd seeing a horses hooves cracked so horribly, a crowd supposedly either training to be farriers or are farriers or WORSE are teaching OTHERS how to shoe as this is a demonstration at a farrier school! absolutely unthinkable. in america we treat our animals MUCH different and I had no idea this kind of behavior is acceptable, ANYWHERE
@horsesaremylife31899 I've watched this demo for several years running. The horses don't react to this step when it seems they are seating the shoe. They don't kick against the rope or the frame they are in. It does smell terrible when it smokes.
@drjohnson98 there is nothing dangerous about the hot shoe. It DOES smell horrible but it doesn't hurt the horse. I've talked to a ferrier who used both cold and warm shoeing about the pros and cons, the only thing was the smell vs. having to hit the shoe harder to shape it. I hope you understand what I mean (I'm from Sweden and can't really come up with perfect translations)
@horsesaremylife31899 yes because then the farreir can see if the burn mark fits the shape of the horse hoof and can see if it is in the correct shape
@horsesaremylife31899 yes it should smoke, the reason for hot fitting a shoe is to seat the clips of the shoe, it also helps level the foot and shows how the shoe fits the foot
my horse would throw a hissy fit if she was tyed up like that. and he feet still look bad when they were finished! my horses feet looked pretty bad but the guy who is doing her feet know is amazing!
He is using what we call in the UK a toeing knife. Why the hell is he cutting off the heel buttress?!! I shoe Shires and Suffolk Punches on a regular basis using my own handmades, 1''1/4 X 1/2 steel proper job! It can be done! Some education is obviously needed in Belgium!
Thanks for both comments. Around here draft horses are very common. Having watched this demo for years, had no idea the video get so much criticism.. I should say that the first 6 or 7 years we saw this demo it was the same, older guy doing it. Maybe his technique would have been more acceptable than of the new young guys. As for the beer - didn't catch it on video but the farriers also have one close to hand - never saw one pause for a drink of water. Hope you can get your drafts shoed.
@drjohnson98 -- I grew up in Belgium. I know about there being lots of drafts there. :) I'm compaining about how hard it is to find farriers for them in the states, and farriers that aren't what I call 'Farrier Lite" who just trims and puts on pre-sized manufactured shoes. There's a lot of moaning about how these guys operate, and criticism is flowing about the school, but I'll take one of those guys over a 'lite' farrier any day.
@drjohnson98 I was born in the Ardennes, Ardennais always get shoed that way. I guess the so called experts have never worked with draft horses working all day long in the woods.
I hear a lot of grumping about this farrier job, but it's odd to me that living in the states (after growing up in Belgium and having well-trained traditional European farriers who actually do smithing), I am finding it difficult to find a farrier that 1) isn't afraid to do drafts, and 2) that doesn't use pre-made manufactured shoes. I wish could find one of these 'experts' around here who knows so much, does great work and who can smith shoes--let alone one who doesn't charge CA prices
ya they should of been seen sooner but "farrier school" that put the demonstration on must relly suck if they send people like that to do a demonstration i have been a farrier for ten years and i can tell you that these guys have no idea whats going on i really feel sorry for their clients it kind of scary i wonder if the amish that charge 15 dollars for new shoes around where i live went to the same school.
This is one of the worst trimmings and shod jobs I have seen! No nippers! WHAT? He also shaves off one side past the hoof wall (that's gonna hurt for awhile!) to make the hoof fit the shoe! With the cracks you can't just keep taking off hoof. You have to go by the hoof wall. If the crack is up too far you notch it and shoe, and reset the shoe in 4-6 weeks. You have to let the cracks and chips grow out. Even after seating the shoe (hot shoeing) you can see how uneven and sloppy this is.
guys i waz at school wf them, it waz a mad house!i arrived in the last year and final exam without shoeing a horse by myself! i could list a feew thing like that, the school is in bruxells belgium
If fastcob is a farrier (I'm not) then three experts have said what a poor job was done on this horse. Surprising - demo is done by a farrier school. We watch it every year & I decided to record & post purely for interest. Given how bad a job this is, I'm considering taking the video down. On the other hand, the expert comments may be helpful for others. Meanwhile, the hooves looked bad (cracked, etc) at the start - any comments on the before hooves? Should they have been seen to sooner?
has mentioned in a comment i was at that school, just glad it over it pointed me out where i wanted to go! one thing i noticed in the video is that they could of taking off another inch off the hooves whitch would of limit the cracks
thats disgraceful poor horse he has left him no support on the outside of the front foot and he then butchered him at the heal to make the hoof fit the shoe wrong wrong wrong
Ronny, they are just handmade shoes with a toe clip and quarter clips. Pretty standard on drafts.
There are SO many things wrong with how this guy is shoeing that poor horse its not even funny. If a farrier comes to your horse like this...run far, far away. I've shod drafts quite a bit bigger than that one with a simple rope over my shoulder (no help holding the animal) and going at it with tools that wont cut half the foot off if I slip.
I dont even get the time to tell you how bad this is.
First off, few horses will let you crank out their legs like that. Its uncomfortable!! Next, you dont really notch out the hoof wall for a clip, that should burn in. His forging is alright, but not spectacular. His clips arent any better than mine. The really sad part is that he does not even attempt to shape the hoof. To keep it nice and tight which is very important on those big drafts. Since they have a lot more weight on the foot, the hoof wall tends to splay and crack apart.
I know a lot of people would be appalled at the burning the shoe in, but its very helpful for a level fit. Also you need the clips to be flush with the wall. However, this guy burns the crap out the hoof. Waaay too much. To the point that the sole is higher than the hoof wall when the hoof wall should be the only thing (along with the frog) touching the ground. Once you burn on the shoe you can tell his shoe shape is terrible. And worst of all instead of reshaping the shoe, he reshapes the foot
I've been inspired by your video and I've built a stock for my 5 years stallion. it is the best draft horse ever but we have a big work for shoeing.I wish to be so patient like this.
horsewhisperer76 1 week ago
i'm sure that guy ate a lot that day :D
HoffmannMoritz 1 month ago
he is so lucky that that horse is docile, if it has panicked with its foot tided up it could have broken its leg x
IrisMaeConn 2 months ago
horses hooves are not supposed to be cracked like that
LeslieWest224 2 months ago
What IDIOTS......
ThePENNY1999 3 months ago
They shouldn´t have put new shoes under these terrible damaged hooves. They should have waited and given the hooves the time to heal. This is the worst job ever. I´d be ashamed taking a horse with such bad hooves to a market for demonstration.
Saartje05 3 months ago
I wonder who the owner of this horse is and if someone told him to take his horse to the farrier weeks earlier. Letting it come to this is pure animal abuse.
Saartje05 3 months ago
It may not be the farriers fault for the condition of the hoofs.I have never used stocks to shoe a draft,but i don't think it would be a problem if the horse was calm.You should not burn a shoe on for more then 5 seconds.the heat will transfer to live sole.The shoes were to long at the toe and to tight at the heels.He left better then he arrived,but not much better
54cowdog 6 months ago
I can't believe how terrible this horses feet were before the work - and AFTER bleh, it was literally a hack job.... poor horse. The farrier school should be embarrassed.
GoodRedBlackRatio 7 months ago
For all the experts, why does no-one comment on the bad condition the hooves are in before, anyway?
feathers666 7 months ago
To be fair, if you look all the horses hooves looked to be in a terribly unattended state for at least some time. Is this not more an initial trimming and fixing up?
feathers666 7 months ago
I didn't know putting the horse shoes in Heat was a technicle also used in other countries besides the mine. Too bad so many people here have no idea about the technicles for putting the shoes in horses' hooves.
Laikangarou 8 months ago
the travaille is a really common way to use with a heavy draft horse.. they are used to it, and from my experience, a big draft horse usually finds it more comfortable to lay his hoof on the frame. and also, do you know how heavy his foot is ? if he couldn't use that he wouldn't even last 2 years as a farrier because his back would just be shattered.
MrMetalandrock 8 months ago
This demonstration is really unacceptable. This so called shoer should be cleaning stalls. The hooves on the sweet horse should have been attended to way before this demo. Didn't like the in-accurate trimming and then the long burn in to seat the shoe was because he butchered the hoof by chopping away at it. Give this guy a manure fork and a rake and send me the horse and I will get it done right,,ken
kenparrillo 8 months ago
@kenparrillo You have no idea about what's going on here. There are two technicles to put the shoes on a horse' hooves. One is called "in Cold", and I guess it's the one you know. The other one is called "in heat" and it's this one: basically the dead hoove tissues are burned and the shoe catches the hoove' shape. When it happens: it is DESINFECTATED. Bacteria and other parasites in hooves are killed, and the shoe catches the hoove' shape perfectly. Of course the horse feels nothing.
Laikangarou 8 months ago
@Laikangarou I'm afraid I do. I have had horses since 1957 and have never seen such a more miserable display of shoeing.You look like you are chiseling a tree rather than shoeing a horse. The uneven chiseling, the burn time and the lousy fitting I think you out to seek another trade and that's my Honest Opinion of what I watched. Maybe you could tutor with someone that knows how to do the job properly
kenparrillo 8 months ago
All my life I've seen draft horses shoed like this. There is nothing wrong with it. The horses don't mind being tied up or the hot iron. It's tradition, done for ages. Obviously the draft doesn't mind. The travaille(or whatever the english word is) makes it easier for a farrier to do multiply horses in a day. But I do agree that the horse should have gone to the farrier sooner.
Supeleytje 9 months ago
WTH?!... poor horse, seems so gentle too... why the hell do they need to tie up it's feet like that, it's so dangerous...
TheSqueenie 10 months ago
@TheSqueenie Hmm yeah look a bit cruel, but I think its for the safty of the horse and the people. It dosn´t look like the horse feel unwell or is stressed. Cows get no other treatment when they get their claws cut and no one seams to commiserate them. At least a horse is not more for a farmer than a good cow.
Really be angry that no one makes the hooves earlier. Hope this Freak must pay good money for the shoes.
Esolver 6 months ago
I'm sorry, but has anyone else noticed the cracks and chips in those badly trimmed hooves? I'm glad there was a Feirrer, but still..
Wolfgirl2help 10 months ago
Uuuuuuuuum we don't need to restrain our Belgian giants to be shod or trimmed.
afriskyfilly 11 months ago
Are those custom Air Jordans for a horse?
StreetArtillery 11 months ago
All I can say is I'm very, very glad my horses are shod in England! There is no way I would let anyone like this even LOOK at my horses feet! And as for the contraption and ropes? I am not a farrier, but my horses have been shod every 7-8 weeks for twenty years, so you get to know what is and what isn't acceptable!
Crecybowman 11 months ago
he was cutting into the frog your not supposed to do that!
meisuyato03 1 year ago
@meisuyato03
you can to keep it level and down. Because it can and does over grow. It is like trimming your cuticle it is good as long as you dont trim to far.
DarkNinjaXD 11 months ago
YES this horses feet should have been done MONTHS ago. Im from the US & I have never in my life seen something like that. that there is no reaction to an entire crowd seeing a horses hooves cracked so horribly, a crowd supposedly either training to be farriers or are farriers or WORSE are teaching OTHERS how to shoe as this is a demonstration at a farrier school! absolutely unthinkable. in america we treat our animals MUCH different and I had no idea this kind of behavior is acceptable, ANYWHERE
booksandbooze 1 year ago
what a poor job was done on this horse this is not how u shoe a horse poor baby.
27KAT2727 1 year ago
wow the horse has cracked hooves really badly!
meisuyato03 1 year ago
wait he started ahckig into the moste sensetive part of the hoof!!!- the frog!!!!!
meisuyato03 1 year ago
Why are his hooves tied with robes actually? To prevent kicking or something?
Alishondra 1 year ago
Yes it's supposed to smoke, but I don't like that the legs are tied. I've seen it done when the legs are free with no problem.
luvdin 1 year ago
was it supposed to be smoking like that
horsesaremylife31899 1 year ago
@horsesaremylife31899 I've watched this demo for several years running. The horses don't react to this step when it seems they are seating the shoe. They don't kick against the rope or the frame they are in. It does smell terrible when it smokes.
drjohnson98 1 year ago
@drjohnson98 there is nothing dangerous about the hot shoe. It DOES smell horrible but it doesn't hurt the horse. I've talked to a ferrier who used both cold and warm shoeing about the pros and cons, the only thing was the smell vs. having to hit the shoe harder to shape it. I hope you understand what I mean (I'm from Sweden and can't really come up with perfect translations)
BrownLill99 1 year ago
@horsesaremylife31899 Yes and it doesn't hurt them
lovekisseslots 1 year ago
@horsesaremylife31899 yes because then the farreir can see if the burn mark fits the shape of the horse hoof and can see if it is in the correct shape
meisuyato03 1 year ago
@horsesaremylife31899 yes it should smoke, the reason for hot fitting a shoe is to seat the clips of the shoe, it also helps level the foot and shows how the shoe fits the foot
confederaterocker89 1 year ago
@horsesaremylife31899 NO... IT WAS NOT supposed to be like that... these guys are IDIOTS.
ThePENNY1999 3 months ago
@horsesaremylife31899 yes, they were fitting the shoes and the heat agains the hoof forms a mold to better the fit.
jmaritz328 2 months ago
my horse would throw a hissy fit if she was tyed up like that. and he feet still look bad when they were finished! my horses feet looked pretty bad but the guy who is doing her feet know is amazing!
THismydream12 1 year ago
don't know much about the actual quality of the shoeing, but personally, the way the horse's legs are tied makes me both frustrated and nervous :-\
lilacwinteraire 1 year ago
this video sends shivers down my spine haha! strange place to place your clips!
tmacatthelodge 1 year ago
So many idiot commentators. Horse isn't lame and he's used to it. This farriers work is fine.
Europeans were shoeing horses before Americans even had horses so don' tell your elders how to the suck eggs.
I have a Java pony imported from Indonesia- it does not need shoes.
Year upon year- still do mountain climbing with me on him- no shoes.
How many stupid "educated opinion" I hear from idiot vets or farrier?
If only they pay one euro per comment- I can buy us all drinks for life.
SignoroIncognito 1 year ago
are you a farrier son?
tmacatthelodge 1 year ago
to begin with this horses feet were HORRRIBLEE!
bellatink89 1 year ago
He is using what we call in the UK a toeing knife. Why the hell is he cutting off the heel buttress?!! I shoe Shires and Suffolk Punches on a regular basis using my own handmades, 1''1/4 X 1/2 steel proper job! It can be done! Some education is obviously needed in Belgium!
womblefarrier 1 year ago
wow... that would take forever
BridlePath977 2 years ago
I don't like very much the way they shoe a horse... it's hard or a horse to be inside that kinda cage...
ZahiraSejmet 2 years ago
@ZahiraSejmet it's for safety, and the drafts are used to it. it's tradition
Supeleytje 1 year ago
As an aside, it's so Belgian to see people standing around with glasses of beer. LOL
HerOdyssey 2 years ago 6
Thanks for both comments. Around here draft horses are very common. Having watched this demo for years, had no idea the video get so much criticism.. I should say that the first 6 or 7 years we saw this demo it was the same, older guy doing it. Maybe his technique would have been more acceptable than of the new young guys. As for the beer - didn't catch it on video but the farriers also have one close to hand - never saw one pause for a drink of water. Hope you can get your drafts shoed.
drjohnson98 2 years ago
@drjohnson98 -- I grew up in Belgium. I know about there being lots of drafts there. :) I'm compaining about how hard it is to find farriers for them in the states, and farriers that aren't what I call 'Farrier Lite" who just trims and puts on pre-sized manufactured shoes. There's a lot of moaning about how these guys operate, and criticism is flowing about the school, but I'll take one of those guys over a 'lite' farrier any day.
HerOdyssey 2 years ago 2
@drjohnson98 I was born in the Ardennes, Ardennais always get shoed that way. I guess the so called experts have never worked with draft horses working all day long in the woods.
oliderid 1 year ago
I hear a lot of grumping about this farrier job, but it's odd to me that living in the states (after growing up in Belgium and having well-trained traditional European farriers who actually do smithing), I am finding it difficult to find a farrier that 1) isn't afraid to do drafts, and 2) that doesn't use pre-made manufactured shoes. I wish could find one of these 'experts' around here who knows so much, does great work and who can smith shoes--let alone one who doesn't charge CA prices
HerOdyssey 2 years ago 2
ya they should of been seen sooner but "farrier school" that put the demonstration on must relly suck if they send people like that to do a demonstration i have been a farrier for ten years and i can tell you that these guys have no idea whats going on i really feel sorry for their clients it kind of scary i wonder if the amish that charge 15 dollars for new shoes around where i live went to the same school.
wooddell3250 2 years ago
This is one of the worst trimmings and shod jobs I have seen! No nippers! WHAT? He also shaves off one side past the hoof wall (that's gonna hurt for awhile!) to make the hoof fit the shoe! With the cracks you can't just keep taking off hoof. You have to go by the hoof wall. If the crack is up too far you notch it and shoe, and reset the shoe in 4-6 weeks. You have to let the cracks and chips grow out. Even after seating the shoe (hot shoeing) you can see how uneven and sloppy this is.
buckinfun 2 years ago
guys i waz at school wf them, it waz a mad house!i arrived in the last year and final exam without shoeing a horse by myself! i could list a feew thing like that, the school is in bruxells belgium
thelouloublue 2 years ago
i have no knowledge in horses.. and judging from this video compared to others.. .this guy does a wackjob job.
boomlightsout 2 years ago
i agree with most of the comments it was hard to watch. i have a percheron and i would never let him be shod tis way.
toriannbkamp1 2 years ago
thats a disgrace!!!
JokessOnYouu 2 years ago
its a bad job but it will keep the horse up off the road.
fastcob 2 years ago
what a butcher
fastcob 2 years ago
If fastcob is a farrier (I'm not) then three experts have said what a poor job was done on this horse. Surprising - demo is done by a farrier school. We watch it every year & I decided to record & post purely for interest. Given how bad a job this is, I'm considering taking the video down. On the other hand, the expert comments may be helpful for others. Meanwhile, the hooves looked bad (cracked, etc) at the start - any comments on the before hooves? Should they have been seen to sooner?
drjohnson98 2 years ago
@drjohnson98
has mentioned in a comment i was at that school, just glad it over it pointed me out where i wanted to go! one thing i noticed in the video is that they could of taking off another inch off the hooves whitch would of limit the cracks
thelouloublue 2 years ago
thats disgraceful poor horse he has left him no support on the outside of the front foot and he then butchered him at the heal to make the hoof fit the shoe wrong wrong wrong
tommyhot100 2 years ago
Ronny, they are just handmade shoes with a toe clip and quarter clips. Pretty standard on drafts.
There are SO many things wrong with how this guy is shoeing that poor horse its not even funny. If a farrier comes to your horse like this...run far, far away. I've shod drafts quite a bit bigger than that one with a simple rope over my shoulder (no help holding the animal) and going at it with tools that wont cut half the foot off if I slip.
I dont even get the time to tell you how bad this is.
JCaizn 2 years ago 3
First off, few horses will let you crank out their legs like that. Its uncomfortable!! Next, you dont really notch out the hoof wall for a clip, that should burn in. His forging is alright, but not spectacular. His clips arent any better than mine. The really sad part is that he does not even attempt to shape the hoof. To keep it nice and tight which is very important on those big drafts. Since they have a lot more weight on the foot, the hoof wall tends to splay and crack apart.
JCaizn 2 years ago 2
I know a lot of people would be appalled at the burning the shoe in, but its very helpful for a level fit. Also you need the clips to be flush with the wall. However, this guy burns the crap out the hoof. Waaay too much. To the point that the sole is higher than the hoof wall when the hoof wall should be the only thing (along with the frog) touching the ground. Once you burn on the shoe you can tell his shoe shape is terrible. And worst of all instead of reshaping the shoe, he reshapes the foot
JCaizn 2 years ago 8
All in all, Ive gotta say....poor horse. He stood so well and has horrible feet to show for it.
JCaizn 2 years ago
interesting shoes wat type r they
Ronnymack100 2 years ago
hermoso ejemplar !!!!!!
toksa1000 2 years ago