royal navy new type 45 destroyer

[goyacc]

what is the music? tkx

[boosra]

Righto, that's me done ( told ya it might take a few posts, lol ). I overstated, and probably still overstate the case.

Remember though, this is not an emotional issue to me, I just like ships lol, and genuinely think there is a bizarre culture of complacency and mutual back-slapping developing between British and American dudes about their respective navies - both of which in fact need a major rebuild soon.

sorry if I bored you :)

Cheers!

[rvfharrier]

@boosra That's me done too :p. A few posts one way require a few posts back, think we've filled up two whole pages between us.

For what it's worth, I agree that it's ridiculous for some to be saying on here 'RN is the most powerful navy in the world!', I consider that to be pride overwhelming both knowledge and logic, but I also think the flip side to be just as ridiculous when some, not you in this case, come and moan/gloat about how the RN is now nothing more than a coast guard.

[boosra]

@rvfharrier

A persuasive and well-informed response.

Been fun arguing with ya.

Cheers!

[rvfharrier]

@boosra I prefer the term 'debate', even if the line between them does get very thin at times :P. Thanks for the exchange though, youtube naval videos do seem tragically short of people who actually know very much about navies so it's nice to come across one every now and again.

[boosra]

Oh, I should probably acknowledge: The idea of 45's with their AA and combat carrying ability projecting force, while 23's bop around looking for subs makes thorough operational sense, based on the experience of the last 20 years - which consisted mostly of long range force projection and batting the occasional land based missile out of the sky.

It is assuming the next 20 years will be just like the last though, which is a pretty big assumption.

[boosra]

Maybe it dosen't matter. The shoe will be on the other foot when the US and RN building cycles come round to replacing the main fleet, and everybody else's stuff is getting creaky, this is the way of things with ship life cycles and whatnot. However, it still doesn't merit the blind pretense from many that old stuff isn't old. It is old, and if the RN were allowed replace it, they would do it yesterday.

[boosra]

Ok, so I fell short of my "5th by 2015" assertion :P. Certainly third though, maybe even 4th.

The point is not this imaginary rank of course though, the point it that everybody else in the first world are furiously building a new generation of ships for this new technological era, while the UK ( and US ) are mostly cramming new technology arbitrarily into 20th century buckets. And its not by choice - the government cash hasn't been allocated for it, and won't be for a while.

[rvfharrier]

@boosra Well consider that the UK has already built a new generation of ships in the Type 45, and is currently engaged in building new generation aircraft carriers and submarines. The UK isn't sitting idly back while others crack on with shipbuilding, right now what will be some of the most capable vessels of their type are being built at shipyards across the UK and once done, Type 26s and Type 27s(?) will immediately start taking their places. Ark Royal and Type 22s or no, the RN is still here.

[boosra]

Turkey: Used cast-offs from other navies, and MEKO's until very recently, but if their new building project delivers half of what it intends, it will be very large, and very advanced, very quickly. With 12-15 TF2000's and Milgem derivatives, some LPD/HC thingy's, and plenty of other fairly moden vessels apparently sticking around, it may be right up there. Mostly talk so far though.

[rvfharrier]

@boosra The Turkish Navy has a bright looking future assuming current projects can go to plan, although let's not get too far ahead of ourselves and raise it above its capability to deliver a force rivalling the major navies of Western Europe. It's made a step in the right direction with the modernisation of the G class frigates with the GENESIS combat mangement system and, for four of them, ESSM, but it has a long way to go yet until possible 2018-2020 acquisition of the TF-2000 AAW frigates.

[boosra]

Netherlands: Some fantastic kit, as already mentioned, an apparently genuinely cutting edge in some homegrown technology. Have no ambitions for immediate numerical growth though - quality over quantity for the Dutch apparently.

Not at all overtaking the RN, and have no aspirations of that scale.

[boosra]

Damn Spanish, I almost had you down to a potential 5th place :P

k, clearing up the rest:

Germany: With 12 spanking new Saschens, F125's and Braunschweigs, added to a couple of surviving Brandenburgs, Germany's fleet is going to be majorly strong majorly quickly, particularly when the HC support ships are done.

Won't be anywhere near overtaking RN by 2015 - wouldn't be so sure about 2035 though.

[rvfharrier]

@boosra Germany and the Netherlands have excellent navies, even if both are facing unfortunate budget constraints (I saw a horrific article in 'De Telegraaf' referring to cuts for the Dutch Navy of the entire submarine force, two of the four Holland class OPVs, and retiring of the remaining M class frigates without replacement - I genuinely hope that's media sensationalism from what is apparantly a very poor newspaper for military matters). As noted though, they're medium-sized regional fleets.

[boosra]

Italy: Two fixed wing carriers sure make a difference, with 12 Horizon and FREMMS, a few other old frigates, and HC's.

Not going to actually overtake the RN in fairness, but depending how things go from here, it could be razor close.

Spain: Spain have let me down :(. A check on what they will actually have come 2015 is less than I expected. The 5 Bazan's are good Arleigh Burke clones, but the Santa Maria's are old school. 1 fixed wing and 1 (weird looking) vstol carrier, but not enough.

[rvfharrier]

@boosra Italian Navy. Only one carrier really, Cavour is currently a secondary carrier to Gariboldi and only actually acts as one when Gariboldi is unavailable, otherwise she performs as an amphibious assault vessel and task force flagship. Once Gariboldi is retired, then Cavour will take over as the primary carrier.

Spain are the same, Juan Carlos is subordinate to Asturias. And yes, while the F100s are admirable multi-role ships their AAW is found lacking to that of Type 45/Horizon/DZP/F124.

[boosra]

France: Well, allowing all the 45's gives a british fleet of six 45's, thirteen 23's, a HC and an LPD. To which France, allowing their FREMMS, can reply with its Carrier, thirteen Horizon and FREMM frigates, 5 capable Fayette corvettes, 2 Mistral HC's, and a couple of LPD's. All, excepting the LPD's and Carrier, are the latest generation in design and loadout.

Until the RN's next building cycle at least, France will be clearly ahead.

[rvfharrier]

@boosra Marine Nationale. If you're going to give France until 2022 to get all of its FREMMs into service, then also factor in that by then Queen Elizabeth will be in service and Prince of Wales, under current plans, likely fitting out for ER. By then the first Type 26 should have been delievered and work on the C2 aspect of FSC, a medium-sized patrol frigate that the RN so badly needs, much more so than a new ASW vessel many would argue, should be well underway. Don't forget the Astutes either.

[rvfharrier]

@boosra Also just a tidbit on France's amphibious forces, current plans are for the two Foudre class LPDs to be replaced by Mistrals 3 and 4, France has already tried to off-load Foudre herself to Argentina.

So a realistic major surface force structure for France for 2022 would be four AAW vessels (2 x Horizon, 2 x FREDA), nine ASW/GP frigates (split between the remaining FREMMS, most will be the ASW variant), four Mistral LHDs and either one or two carriers. In all honesty, most likely one.

[boosra]

Ok, what was my other over-the top assertion? Ah, 5th strongest navy in Europe.

Exaggeration probably, but not too far off, and for a period of a few years at least, may well be true.

Lets have a look at the contenders.. ( this is fun )

Russia: Doubtful operational capability right now, but probably never stopped being the No:2 navy in the world through sheer volume. When they finish churning out the 50 or so brand new frigates they have on the go, they will effortlessly regain their place.

[rvfharrier]

@boosra Russian Navy. Still large but almost entirely made up of Soviet ships built for the Soviet era. Doubtful operational capability is an understatement, the Russian Navy is in desperate need of replacement vessels but its rundown or lost shipyards, not least of which Sevastopol, seem unable to build them at the required rate. Of the limited shipbuilding Russia still has, much of it is currently engaged almost entirely in Submarine projects 677, 885 and 955; at the cost of its surface fleet.

[boosra]

Some disregard the important of the stealth features on the latest generation ships, but that is always from people who lack them. The type 45 is thoroughly stealthed up, like all new ships.

How much difference it makes is debatable, but its safe to say at least a little, and in an age where a dingy with a vls can sink any ship on the sea - a little is a lot.

The 23 is of course not "totally outclassed", but its uncontroversial to say its not up with the latest generation.

[rvfharrier]

@boosra This is also a fact that surprises many, given that it doesn't have the stereotypical 'look' of a stealth ship, but the Type 23 is a highly effective Signature Attenuation design; its 7° slope gives optimal radar deflection from the horizon.

Able to sprint to 30+ knots to get ahead of the fleet, that it's fully able to transit long ranges with, to start screening for possible submarine threats and then switch to an extremely quiet electric propulsion once there to more efficiently hunt.

[rvfharrier]

@boosra Hunting with what you, yourself, described as a 'cutting edge' system. I'd not only argue against the Type 23 being utterly outclassed, but would go so far as to argue FOR it being one of the best, if not the best, dedicated ASW ships of any Navy on Earth. We never even mentioned the Merlin it operates, which could even be considered to be an ASW platform in its own right.

It has the speed, it has the equipment, it has the hull, it has the aircraft. All that's missing is CAMM, for now!

[boosra]

The radar is not bad, and the sonar will be cutting edge when the upgrading programme is carried out, suited to its presumable future role as dedicated AS frigates. It is still however, new tricks on a old dog. A pre-technological revolution dog.

And this is important. One of the reasons given for the 42's retirement was its lack of space and unsuitability for upgrades and accommodating modern weapon systems. This is an issue for all ships of this vintage.

[boosra]

The Type 23 with its 32 Seawolfs and 8 Harpoons dosen't match up well with the 70-80 tube loadout of the Provinciens or Saschens. Horizon has a PAAMS Aster set up, which is obviously superior, as the Type 45 adopted it.

23 also lacks a dedicated CIWS, and the Sea Wolfs themselves are outranged by Sea Sparrows etc on the others.

[boosra]

Ok, the Type 23.

Of course "utterly outclassed" is hyperbolic and ( successfully :P) attention seeking.

It is, however, an old ship, simple as that.

Comparing it to the " Latest Dutch, German and French Destroyers" - The Dutch Provincien class, German Saschen class, or French Horizon class - it is behind the times.

Size is unimportant, they all have similar speed, and the French and British have more range, as befitting true blue water navies. When it comes to armament though...

[rvfharrier]

@boosra The Type 23 is a superior ASW platform to all of the ships you mentioned, given that you gave a list of primarily AAW vessels. A much better comparison would be the still relatively new F123 Brandenburg class, built to also be ASW ships. I would still give it to the Type 23 based on its towed Type 2087 Sonar, extremely quiet propulsion and excessive range. Also consider that its one, relative, weakness is to be phased out around 2018 and replaced with a hugely exciting quad-packed CAMM.

[boosra]

Some misplaced pride going on in this thread.

The British navy is perhaps the finest fighting force in history, but right now, as far as hardware goes - you have virtually nothing. Your complacency is bizarre.

The 22 are obsolete, and the 42 and 25 are utterly outclassed by the latest Dutch, German, and French destroyers. The 45 are the best AA frigates around, but you have only 2 of them. And your carrier dosen't work.

That leaves a nice sub fleet, the best personnel,and that's it.

[rvfharrier]

@boosra Hmmm?

Type 22; all four being retired as of April... so their apparant obselence is pretty irrelevent. As ASW platforms they were outclassed by more modern designs, of course, but their C3I capabilities gave them fine flagship capabilities.

Type 42; also in the process of being replaced and I should hope that modern European destroyers can outclass a thirty+ year old design.

Type 25??? Doesn't even exist in RN service.

Type 45; 6, not 2, are being procured and all have been launched.

[boosra]

@rvfharrier

Pardon me, I meant Type 23 of course. ( a lotta "types" - they begin to blur lol )

Yes, two of your classes are being replaced - by one class. One class of 6 ( eventually ) ships with superb AA ability and absolutely nothing else.

I'm not trying to wind anyone up here - I'd probably bet on the British Navy to win a battle in row boats - but the facts are clear as day. Unless you get a move on with that Carrier, you will be perhaps the 5th strongest navy in Europe by 2015.

[rvfharrier]

@boosra So wait, you were asserting that Type 23s are 'utterly outclassed by the latest Dutch, German and French destroyers'? Very interesting, please do elaborate on that.

5th strongest in Europe? Also highly interesting, elaborate on that too.

You say the facts are clear as day so then go ahead and present them, all you've given so far has been rather vague opinion.

[boosra]

@rvfharrier

Harsh - can't a man throw wild seeping assertions these days without someone asking him to back it up with evidence? :P

Well, I doubtless overstated the case, but I will try to explain what I am getting at. I'll try to avoid comparisons of statistical minutae, as they always lead into endless number wars. It will still take a few posts though...

[rvfharrier]

@boosra Much better. I don't mind, in fact very much enjoy, having a good debate on an issue, it's just tiresome to see people all too often merely state some RN bashing opinions and treat them as given fact.

Type 23 - You said it yourself, it's an ASW platform and currently one of the best out there. Seawolf is an adequate point defence system, let's not pretend it's anything more than that, but one that shouldn't need to be used if the area (or even local area) defence vessels do their jobs.

[nrjelley]

Britannia will always rule the waves, always has and always will!

[gringo5866279]

what is the major difference between a cruiser, destroyer and a frigate.

What roles these ships play while in combat.

[HelmutVillam]

I'm not too phased about the downsizing of the Royal Navy because I think we have been far too interventionist and overstretched with our Navy in the past decades. We should move towards a smaller but much more elite force with fantastic vessels like T-42, T-28, Astute, C2/3 and Queen Elizabeth, and an excellent maritime-based Royal Marines, and a first class Fleet Air Arm.

[HMSDaring1]

Type 45 destroyer, THE BEST DESTROYER IN THE WHOLE NAVAL SERVICES!!!! No doubt about it!, Pity the Royal Navy is only ordering a small amount of the Destroyers, but then again you only need 1 of these babies to kick a whole countries arse! I wanna see the Argentine forces try take over the Falklands with this baby hunting them down!

[alex471996]

The navy and all our armed forces are very professional the MoD lets them down. The fact that we can leave the security of our nation and dependencies in the hands of such a terrible department is amazing. By the time a ship is planned and built it is out of date. There are more civil servants managing our army in the MoD then there are actual personell in our army. Now that says something. If anything needs reform it is the Ministry of Defense!

[mancity1000]

Britain have the best trained forces, I can confidently say that. The fact American admirals thought that retaking the Falklands was impossible sums it up really

[marks9591]

@mancity1000 as for the best trained ,blah blah blah .i hope there well trained because other navys when they see the rn coming they say here come the flintstones .

so what does some it up is that on all these videos its full of brits putting down the usa but if you go to american videos we dont put other allies down .the reason is simple we are secure in our abilitys and capabilities and we are second to none

[mancity1000]

@marks9591 The fact American admirals believed the Falklands War was an impossible task sums up how good the Royal Navy. Don't knock the British Navy, it's history is second to none

[marks9591]

@mancity1000 well i think its cos they were4 looking at the equipment you had at the time.but you are right you have a great history

[nrjelley]

@marks9591 Well America has, well DID have a very good economy and you could afford to build nice big fancy things! We used to back in the day, before we joined the piece of shit that is the EU which pretty much fucked up all of our industry! Message to MPs and all loyal Brits, DEATH TO THE EU!

[Nupetiet]

US Captain: "How does it feel to be in the world's *second* biggest navy?"

UK Captain: "How does it feel to be in the world's *second* best?"

[Swordsman52]

Unlike RN ships, USN vessels tend to go on deployment with everything functional. I know of RN vessels that have gone on deployment with their surface search not working.

In any event, the RN isn't the second biggest. Don't know what is right off the top of my head, but the Japanese Navy(JMSDF) is bigger than the RN.

[loliamapie]

the people look funny :P

[critanime]

To see this thing in the water makes you feel proud.

[ShitMovies2000]

Hell yeah.

[01822852491]

2nd Biggest Navy in the World

[matthewjez]

2ND BIGGEST NAVY IN NATO :D and from a proud brit id say the best lol

[glynhoyland]

2nd biggest but 1st most powerful

[MuppetV2]

I live in Gosport next to Pompey, have worked in pompey dockyard recently. The royal navy may be the best trained but that only goes so far. Our new proposed Queen Elizabeth class carriers, are bloody diesel powered (shit), instead of nukes. Just cause pompey (where carriers gonna be built and based possibly) has no nuclear evacuation plan. America and its ships have the better capabilities full stop, and won't run outta fuel in the middle of the pacific ocean.

[Longs81]

They arn't going to be power by diesels they will be powered by gas turbines like all our other surface ships. A nuclear evacuation plan for pompey has nothing to with the carriers not being nuclear. The RNs SSNs visit pompey all the time and that's not a problem. The carriers not being nuclear is due to the horrendous operating costs and maintenance costs. Nuclear warships require vast expensive facilities and highly trained shore based personnel.

[cra83]

Gas turbines run on kerosene which is similar to diesel and can be used in diesel engines

Maybe he that's what he meant, rather than a piston engine...

On the type 42 the Tyne diesel engine was more powerful than the Olympus (Concorde) gas turbine engine and gas turbines are quite thirsty (bit random info for you!))

[numba1danman]

the queen elizabeth class are gonna be great! the gas turbines will be fine, nuclear reactors are not cost effectice, only the US can afford to maintain them and i for one believe it is only a matter of pride why they will not retract to gas turbines.

[toane]

tomfromscotland.

tonyoffpompey.

Great to see the loyalty to the RN and yes we are the best.

PLUS also as we know, RN is the senior service cotrary to the RAF beliefs. Which was formed from the Army Air Corp after WW1

[fayik123]

mr rambo realized the military turned out to be a big dissapointment. It won't be any better than life at home. THey promise adventure and travel but that is just in the brochures. Its alot like a commercial holiday brochure. the actual experience wasn't how they said it would be. THey will just use you and throw you away like a piece of rubbish when the are done with you. Basically don't think the military will make you're life any better. u may find its not for u wen its 2 late

[scarff94]

rule britania

[doysh121]

uk a slave country of america? erm i think at one point britan owned america u were are little bitches lol now who is the slave

[shudra14]

uk a slave country of america

[tomfromscotland]

its the best yes  but its called that cos its the oldest of the uk forces theres been the organised royal navy seince henry VIII (though afreid the great also had a national navy)

[geordie07legend]

briain has the best navy in the world thats why its called the senior service

[phillymorris]

briain must be tuff place to take on then, we mite have to bring up the hood eh to take briain on. maybe even go and nick the bizmark!!.

[marks9591]

@phillymorris lol the brits on here are funny .must be hard going from a powerful country to what they are today.

truth is the rn is in such bad shape that half of its fleet are in mothballs because of the costs of the current wars and because of expenditure over runs.

today the powerful royal navy is made up of 22 frigates and destroyers.the type 42 have lost a third of there fleet over the last 10 years and today the rn only has 8 destroyers left.

[multicaal2]

@phillymorris I'm sorry but what country is called briain?

Do you mean Britain?

If so please learn how to spell my country before you talk about "taking it on".

[iain075]

@geordie07legend I think rather that the Royal Navy is referred to as the Senior Service in terms of it's seniority within the British armed forces.

[Akxel]

No, Toostonedtopee is right, Britain has the second largest navy of around 92, with the first being america with 230 roughly.

[phillymorris]

they do have a big fleet but only a third of those are actualy worth bragging about. included in that total are small costal boats, right down to tugs and harbour taxi's.

[GamingLeeLee]

@phillymorris aye that does include patrole vessels like coastal boats but not all the way down to tugs,,,those are largely commercial vessels

[user321]

Does Britain really have the 2nd biggest navy? I didn't think this was the case. Is there anyway you can substantiate this claim?

[TooStOnEdToPee]

Yes the uk does have the second biggest navy on the Planet.

But the best.

Look on my videos and see for your self.

[arissystems]

wondering why everyone is picking on the british navy..just curious,,,they usually are with us so my guess is that they are number one..combined..and russia 2 unless russia and china team up...

[elbeaner2009]

hmmm South S1D3

X3

[lfm091]

Oh really Oso1G, it didnt do you much fucking good in Vietnam, where i beleive a few farmers hiding in holes killed at least 60,000 US troops and then sent the rest home with their tails between their legs. So get it up ye.

[Oso1G]

Oh really Oso1G, it didnt do you much fucking good in Vietnam, where i beleive a few farmers hiding in holes killed at least 60,000 US troops and then sent the rest home with their tails between their legs. So get it up ye.

ANOTHER FUCKING GENIUS. LIVING PROOF THAT STUPID PEOPLE SHOULDN'T REPRODUCE. STUPID FUCKING MORON.

[qwerty2144]

hey Oso1G u know wat u need to do? u need to get a FUCKING LIFE! seriously how sad, looking for a royal navy video just so u can rip on British people how fucking sad u probably do this every day u have no fucking life u r gonna wake up 50 years old with no wife, no kids, no money, basicly no life cause ur fucking sad and have nothing better to do u make me sick u should be ashamed of urself and GET A FUCKING LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[infullscholarship12]

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[madbob73]

You mean the worlds only superpower with a defence budget 15 times that of the UK has a better navy? Fuck me - no shit sherlock!!!

[3645as]

Tomooseisinthehoose - best aircraft usa, best submarine - russian kursk, best assoult rifle - russian ak - 47, best destroyer - i might agree to england

[MRD4N]

Thats a load off crap.

ak-47 lol?

Anyways, so what about equipment, it's the people who use them thats important. Britain has the best, most intense training ;)

[TheDuke1066]

No the best submarine is actually British,The Astute class submarine,No other sub on the planet can match it,Check it out.

[Oso1G]

No the best submarine is actually British,The Astute class submarine,No other sub on the planet can match it,Check it out.

Seawolf is the most advanced/lethal attack submarine currently in production.

[TheDuke1066]

True Oso1g,You make a good point,when you said "Seawolf is the most advanced/lethal attack submarine currenty in production.

But only because the Astute isnt in service yet,and only one has been made,But when they have been accepted bt the RN,then my statment stands,The Astute will also be stealth and have the smallest readings(That of a small dolphine)You can Google it if you like.

[Oso1G]

If you are implying the Astute is a better than a seawolf, you are sadly mistaken.

[TheDuke1066]

I am implying that,And im correct.

[Oso1G]

I am implying that,And im correct.

Here's reality for you kid.....

Here's how your royal navy compares to the US navy submarine wise.... UK 4 attack subs USA 18 attack subs UK 14 trident ballistic subs, USA 49.

I won't even mention surface ships as the UK's combat surface ship total doesn't even equal the amount of USA Arliegh Burke class destroyers. Now run along kid.

[TheDuke1066]

Osgo1g,your getting your figures from old reports,As i keep telling you,that the growth of the Royal Navy is happening now,in 2008/9 it will be a differant picture,And size doesnt equall to ability,thats why the Royal navy and the ARN,kicked the Americains navy arse in the last international war games,Google it and check it out kiddy.

[Oso1G]

Growth of the Royal Navy ? Right, instead of 2 20,000 ton aircraft carriers, they are upsizing to 40,000 ton carries. In the mean time the US Navy has 12 carriers, 10 of those over 100,00 tons. Now give it a rest kid, your royal navy is a joke compared to the US navy.

[TheDuke1066]

All the gear no idea,That is the common phrase used when talking about the US military,Look at the facts,not just brainwashed Americain views.The Americain Navy is the Biggest,The Royal Navy is the second biggest and its the best.This is a fact historically,and even today,Google it and see.Americain military are seen as gun hoe yahoos

[Oso1G]

,The Royal Navy is the second biggest and its the best.This is a fact historically,and even today,Google it and see.Americain military are seen as gun hoe yahoos

Hey dumbfuck, the royal navy is not the second biggest, the russian navy is. The American military is the superpower of the worlds military. It is supreme in equipment/training/capability. You fucking low life limeys are nothing more than USA puppets. Now run along kid, you're boring me.

[TheDuke1066]

No Oso1G, the Britsih Navy is the seond biggest,Have you got nothing better to do than go through all the British posted vidoes and leave childish in acurate comments( dont get me wrong your entertaining me,like a retared jester),But dont you have a girlfreind or something?

[qwerty2144]

LOL i just read ur comment "the russian navy is the second biggest in the world" L O L who is using the only retarded inbred brain cell in ur family at the moment? the British navy is OFFICIALY the world's second biggest, check RN homepage, UN website, wikipedia, man u r FUCKING RETARDED please, get a fucking education before u come up with any more false comments and make urself look any more retarded. and one more thing, GET A FUCKING LIFE!!!!!!

[Strettger]

Quoted for truth.

Reason number one for USA wanting Britian to be it's main militry partner - we are powerful, even the US navy would be hard pressed to land on British soil should the two go to war each other.

Just because USA throws billions of Dollars at its military makes it good

[TheDuke1066]

Kid.

[tonyoffpompey]

true story.

American Admiral and British Admiral met a while back now.

American Admiral "Whats it like being the 2nd biggest Navy in the World?"

British Admiral "Good, what's it like being second best?"

Learn some humility my friend. We're on the same side. The fact is most of your forces take lessons from ours, very rarely the other way round. Enjoy being big mate and we'll enjoy being best. Thank You

[Levesque999]

Ouch!

[calumknight1984]

LMAO love it. But its true the americans have numbers on there size along with the technology the british are more specialized to certain tasks e.g the us marines operate more like an army were the british royal marines are a more specialized assault force more on par with special forces than an army. Its the same throughout the british military cos of its size theyve had to specialize

[calumknight1984]

Riiiiight......the ak47......the best assault rifle newsflash ive seen vids of ppl shooting those things and they couldnt shoot a barn door from a few metres away with the full auto on the thing has such bad kickback only thing going for it is the reliability (read some s.a.s stories of them finding dead rats in em and they still fired)

[TheDuke1066]

The Astute can Detect a ship leaving Newyork while its sitting in the English Channel,It can also hit N.Africa also while sitting in the English channel,As well as not having to Refuel/surfice (if it had no crew to worry about)Ive mentioned the Stealth.And has knew Fish (Torpeos)That will be unmatched for range etc.

[calumknight1984]

Doubt the fish torps will beat the russian torp (its design makes it the fastest torp in the world and is designed to rip right through the hull of the u.s supercarriers, forgot name of em though)

[cra83]

yeah, but they don't have to engage the russian torpedoes, just the sub... I know which ones you mean though, i think they're called vikhr and i'm sure they were cancelled

[calumknight1984]

think they were sold to chinese, the kursk was demonstrating them to the chinese milatary when it went down so whether the deal went through or not is another matter the thing was finished though and was working american navy was terrified of the things why they "supposedly" sent 2 subs to tail the kursk and get info

[cra83]

yeah, it's widely believed a peroxide leak caused an explosion in the torp room. who knows! Im not surprised the Russians blamed everyone else but themselves for the accident though..

[chrthiel]

Shkval torpedo entered service around 1977 and they're exporting a lite version.

[cra83]

Thats the one! i couldn't remember the name

[60degreesnorth]

and who formulated the modular design/build principle, would it be the US?.

[CLVASHJBHWFS]

It's was a Sunderland shipyard, Laig's, or J.l. Thompson's who built a convoy type ship in WW1, using modular construction. Cammell Laird were using a sub assembly technique before WW2, and built the worlds first all welded ship.

[Tomooseisinthehoose]

Best surface combat ship in the world + best submarine in the world + best radar in the world + best tank in the world + best assault rifle in the world + best training in the world + best special forces in the world = best in the world by a fucking mile.

Yay 4 Britain :D

[in990207]

I STRONGLY AGREE APART FROM THE ASSULT RIFLE-ITS NOT THAT GUD BUT STILL A MINTER LOL...god save the queen!

[koolkinger]

no im sorry but ur wrong

[dd452]

...or biggest ego in the world?

[calumknight1984]

THe rifle aint that good.... the scope however makes the rifle outstanding :)

[chillkill1192]

britania rules the waves

[truebrit1989]

i thought that HMS.daring has been launched (2:50 in clip) but is being outfitted... they show that we still kings of the waves, so dont f**k with us lol

[boyasaka]

looks a lot better than the type 42 batch 3 i was stuck on for 5 years lol

[ieuz123]

CAn't wait for the 1st to be launched. All the ships in the Navy will be new by 2015.

[Toolpusher]

HMS Daring was launched well over a year ago ;)

[ieuz123]

It wasn't the finished piece though was it?

[fmjkevlar]

CHAT SHEET

[lewisneilparker]

Looks like a game of tetris to me! Love the new PAAMS system on those Ive seen tests and they are sooooo cool.

[Basilona]

Whats the craic with the PAAMS system i thought it was really good till i found out the Americans can squeeze four ESSMS into a single cell VLS while we can only manage to fit 1 Aster 15 into the crappy French made VLS. I think we've been short changed again.

[lewisneilparker]

It's still much more accurate and efficient so the numbers don't matter

[thefiredream]

No,there's always monkeys in the Op's room.

[mulacnucnud]

reminds me of star wars :)

[Toolpusher]

You'd look like a Baboon too if you were wearing an anti-flash mask with breathing filter ;)

[ludocrat]

Great film, but it looks like they've got baboons working fire control!