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[gazthefunky39]

Whatever, this is really old. Do you know how long I served for? In fact I might have recently left, let me put it like this I was 25 when I joined and you have no idea when I left or where I have been.

Bored of the whole roman/german thing you believe what you want. I'll believe what I've read. I'm quoting Caesar and your saying the opposite. The fact that the legions wouldn't fight at first doesn't seem to indicate anything to you. I give up. It's pointless.

[gazthefunky39]

@redpunk I was talking about Germania and you know this. What about the sacking of rome by the Goths? Germanic again.

I was talking to a curator in the National War Museum who was wearing full plate. So what he told me counts a lot more than some guy waffling online. Have you ever wore full plate? No I didn't think so. So I will listen to the curator thanks. Compared to what a modern soldier carries it's not a lot, plus they would not be wearing armour 24 hours a day. Wagon wheels?

[redpunk]

@gazthefunky39 are you sure you actually read that book? and passed selection?

[gazthefunky39]

@redpunk Ofc I never just read a book you just came up with, why would I do that?? Some guy I'm arguing with online suggested a book, let me get my credit card and go to Amazon. I would have to be mental. And yes I passed selection obviously, seems you have had a change of tune. I thought I would have just had the same training as a Norgie regular? 2nd longest training of any nato country, first is Royal Marine Commandos. Although you don't call it selection, that's the SAS, P-company for Paras

[redpunk]

@gazthefunky39 referencing the conquest of gaul isn't really a random namedrop if you're talking about romans and gauls and germans. pretty good example of a primary source seeing how julius caesar wrote the damned thing.

i call it selection and so do other people. the only tune i've changed is that i don't believe you actually made it into an SAS unit unless i'm mistaking you for some sort of a ranger

[gazthefunky39]

@redpunk I have wrote what Caesar wrote about the germanic tribes earlier, he named them after all. The Romans never crossed the Rhine after they got slaughtered, the lost legions of Varus in the Teutonberg forest if I'm not mistaken.The Romans ultimately never succeeded in putting the north and east of Germany under direct Roman rule.

I never said anything about me being in the sas, LOL. I was a British Paratrooper, don't mix them up with your 101. Look them up and milling.

[redpunk]

@gazthefunky39 deciding that it's not worth it to push through the mountains and a forest that goes out to the ukraine isn't really the same thing as deciding that the prospect of fighting some 4" taller than you is too scary.

if you wanna know what the romans thought about the germans while julius caesar was campaigning through gaul then go read his memoir. fighting the germans didn't seem to scare them that much, but unending heavy forest did

[redpunk]

@redpunk and wouldn't being 41 basically mean you were peacetime?

[isamudyson001]

ill have to remember that next time someone shoots a power double on me

[Calimantalkin]

Anybody that learns a set amount then refuses to learn more, is just foolish. Of course he updates the art, just as it was updated over time in the past to reach it's current form.

[nofatchxplzthx]

ninjitsu is not ninjutsu

[borobei]

very nice and effective wrist locks transitions.

[MrOphachew]

A Japanese Martial Arts Historian on a doc. once commented on Hatsumi saying. "Does he have an authentic jap warrior art? Yes, it is that. He does have that. But is it an 'old' authentic jap warrior art? Frankly the jury is still out on that. Now is it a Ninja art? These are not and where not honorable things for Samurai to engage in. It was not honorable to declare you overtook the Castle because you bought the floor plan from the upstarir chambermaid or bribed a cook to poison their General".

[gazthefunky39]

Muscular strength is directly related to muscle size simple as that, so my argument still stands that a 5"4 8st roman soldier will not be as strong as a 6" 13st modern soldier. I think it would have been a very small percentage trained from the age of 6 and not many countries had standing armies so the soldiers would have been taken from the civilian populace, who would not have trained from the age of 6. If you train from 6 and I start at 15 but I am larger I will get stronger than you. Simple.

[Nordrian]

@gazthefunky39 the martial arts were designed to train those people who started learning at the age of 6, so yes, my argument is valid. You aren't larger, just taller, there was large people back then too, some stuffs that people back then did, we don't even know how they managed to do it, because yes, back then, strength was important, first, because the weak wouldn't survive, second, because what you do for pleasure, the sport you do, they were doing for survival.

[Nordrian]

@gazthefunky39 and finally, as this will be my last post, you can have muscles as large as you want, your body dynamic is the same, each and every of your muscle as the same function as for any other human being, it has the same faults. It is not even a matter of strength. I have applied the same techniques to a small girl and to a guy who's way taller and bigger than me. Finally, those techniques are from Japan, developed at a time of war, so yes, there was constant danger.

[gazthefunky39]

@Nordrian I never said anything about constant danger but you said everyone was trained for war from the age of 6, which is nonsense. I actualy posted saying people are bigger, stronger and faster than they were which you now seen to agree with. The thing is I actually know what I'm talking about, I have trained since I was 16, been a profesional soldier, visited war museums, spoke to the staff at these places and have other sources of information not just the internet. What I have said is fact.

[redpunk]

@gazthefunky39 ninjas in feudal japan are analogous to the arab mafia today, they kicked the crap out of you guys in central asia and they would have paraded your guts like streamers if it had been back when they were supposedly small, slow and weak.

even your typical childfucking athenian soldier could make you his bitch

[gazthefunky39]

@redpunk What are you talking about you dick head? Arab mafia, ninjas and greek soldiers kicking my ass. I think you watch too much 300 my friend. German tribes that scared the shit out of the Romans because the were considered huge and aggressive, average Roman height 5' 2, German 5' 6. I'm quite small 5' 8 and quite stocky 76 kilos of muscle no fat, served in the British paras, ran several marathons (got it's name from the battle), do BJJ and Muay Thai, kick your ass and theirs, no problems

[redpunk]

@gazthefunky39 the romans were so scared of the german tribes that they hacked them to pieces on the banks of the rhine and the meuse.

speaking of which those germans probably would have gangfucked you for fun. even if you were from some sort of a uk special forces unit you'd probably have the same training as a norweigian regular

[gazthefunky39]

@redpunk You don't know what the fuck your talking about.I tell you one thing that's certain your my bitch. Don't know who the Paras are, what a douche. There were only parts of Germany (little parts) that were part of the Roman Empire, have a look at a Roman map at the time, but I know you won't because your a little twat from the US with a big fucking mouth and no balls. 26 and a complete cunt, wonder where you will be in 10 years, it won't matter though you'll still be a cunt.You know nothing

[redpunk]

@gazthefunky39 rome fell more than 1000 years before germany existed. and with your superioir grasp of geography and history can you maybe eek out a little idea why it might be difficult to approach from the south?

go read conquest of gaul. it's propagandized, but you probably should if you wanna go yammering on about what the romans thought.

also wearing plate armor and learning about it in a museum are two different things. there's a reason the japanese threw wagon wheels

[gazthefunky39]

@redpunk Caesar described the differences between the Germanic tribesmen, the Romans, and the Gauls. He said that the Gauls, although warlike, could be civilized, but the Germanic tribesmen were far more savage and were a threat to Roman Gaul and so had to be conquered. Caesar's accounts portray the Roman fear of the Germanic tribes and the threat they posed. The perceived menace of the Germanic tribesmen proved accurate. Look up lost legions of Varus, 3 legions killed.

[seanyglass]

You know Hayes gets slack from the Bunjikan community the same way that Carlos and Helio Gracie did from the Japanese, the same way that Bruce Lee did from the "traditional" kung fu masters in China, and the same way that Eddie Bravo gets slack from the Brazilian's for NO-GI training, even though he never threw the gi away. Look, the arts were developed to WORK; men are faster, stronger, and bigger now. Some techniques will always work and those are kept; some don't work as well anymore.

[Nordrian]

@seanyglass So you are saying that a guy who trained all day, with constant danger, risking his life on a battlefield, wearing an armor, reinforcing his body in ways that today would be considered crazy, were less efficient than people that train is a safe room, fighting with rules, and taking NO real risk? Men aren't faster stronger and bigger, there was always strong men, fast men, and big men. Except that before, they were in danger at war.

[gazthefunky39]

@Nordrian Actual men and women are stronger, bigger and faster these days. People through history have got taller thats a fact. Average height of a roman was 5"4 with the average height of the tribes in Germany being 5"8. Just as an example.

[Nordrian]

@gazthefunky39 That's only height, doesn't account for strength, back then, people were training harder and at an earlier age, why? Because at an early age, they were going on the battlefield. They were trained essentially on empty handed, and melee weapons, hence, had to have extremely sharp reflexes, and be strong enough to carry their armor, and their entire gear to the battlefield (they didn't have cars), so yes, they had to be stronger.

[gazthefunky39]

@Nordrian That's rubish I was talking to the staff at the royal armories and national war museum talkling about the weight of full plate armour which they said weighed around 35lbs. I was very surprised as I was a modern soldier and on operations you can be carrying 75lbs of gear easily. As for not having cars, if you had a full set of plate you would not be poor and you would not be on foot. Your saying a guy weighing 8st and being 5"4 is stronger than a 6" 13 st soldier now? Sounds silly to me

[Nordrian]

@gazthefunky39 Not as silly as saying that someone who was almost entirely trained for hand to hand/melee fighting, armored, from the age of 6 or less, going to war at the age of 15, would be weaker than people now a day. Rich people had the fancy armors, but the soldiers would pick up parts of armors from the dead, and make-up their own armor, which they had to carry at war. Also, back then, a fight was on the field, hitting each other until the end of the fight, not pushing a button

[Nordrian]

@gazthefunky39 Also, when training back then, health wasn't their main concern, they didn't care about the consequences that would be noticed 10-20 years later, they had to be ready to fight at 15. They were swinging with metal weapons, hence needed the strength to handle it, today, army people don't use pole-arms. And finally, this doesn't change anything, you can be as strong as you want, your skeleton is the same, your muscles are at the same place, your general body dynamic is the same.

[Nordrian]

He mainly had to change it to make money out of it, the way people were made isn't any different from 10 centuries ago, the bones, the muscles, the nerves are the same, weapons, apart from fire guns, were the same, a knife is a knife, etc, so no, there was no need to "update" it, the way Hayes did. The art is still as efficient.

[seanyglass]

@Nordrian To compare athletes today or fighters today with those of feudal japan is ridiculous. They are taller, bigger, stronger, faster, smarter, and many more of them trained in some kind of art whether it be collegiate wrestling, BJJ, boxing, or some other martial art. Arts should keep rudimentary principle,s and the pure tradition should be taught for prosperity reasonss, but it is harder to pull the same techniques off on fighters today than it was back then.

[BagginNinja]

to many Bujinkan are close minded and need to know facts and crawl out there own ass.

[MrAlphyn]

It's Ninjutsu, not Ninjitsu. Hayes is awesome though.

[RenascentRyan]

Most of being relaxed is having peace. 

[TheUltimateGC]

HAHAHAHA!!

[Erickito17]

i got one word for this VID: BULLSHIT! :)

[superpigforlife]

@Erickito17 o ye buss shit thats why the U.S specal forces use a art made by steavan k heys and a to shin do 3rd dagree blackbelt

[dolldaggabuzz]

@Erickito17 you sure you a lot of words for one word xD

[niloneske]

He was kicked out of Bujinkan for a reason...

[fardisghomeshi]

hayes is so fail.most of the stuff he does is wrong anyway.

[Erickito17]

It doesn't matter from what century Ninjutsu was invented from, it's all about learning to stay relaxed in violent situations, and back in the day (about 2000 years ago) was when these techniques culminated because of the high level of necessity. In other words, he's full of shit.

[Obiwan198]

I tought Hayes just theaches the traditional Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu so that american people can understand it. I don't say Americans are stupid or something, just that they have very different mentality than Japanese and Chinese.

He ADDS something? UPDATES it?? I tought Hatsumi Sensei does that part (adding new techniques, passing the old ones). Strange. Hayes does use registered names like Togakure Ryu, so he IS under Bujinkan Dojo.

What exactly does he do?

[TheAndersHolm]

No. He has started ToShinDo. He's using the things he learnt in Bujinkan and adds his own flavouring to it.

There's also other arts which teaches Togakure ryu and others. It's not limited to just Bujinkan.

[jbravo41]

Is there anywhere I can watch the full version of this program ?

[ninjanerd8]

All the aforementioned having been said, ultimately there is no adaptation as time changes. Human beings are human beings and they fight instinctually today as they did 1000 years ago. Old martial arts like ninpo and jujutsu have been developed in real life situations, on the battlefield, over hundreds, even thousands of years. There's nowhere to go and fight to see who lives and who dies today. To change them today is to reduce their purity.

[bujin21]

Problem is that Hayes is not adapting the art to make it more applicable to modern times, rather he is dumbing it down for the masses. Give me the old style training any day.

[SuperKixxx]

The only value in maintaing an art exactly as it was is in aesthetics. Todays fighters are more knowledgeable than the fighters of a thousand years ago, adapt or get your ass kicked.

[bujin21]

@ Superkixxx - Wow, you didn't think that idea through very thoroughly did you? You think a bunch of dorks training for a sport in a ring know more about combat that ancient warriors who had to rely on their training to survive? Think again...

[SuperKixxx]

No, you think again, look at the old tapes, look at the old fighters, todays top martial artists are more rounded and in better shape. Do you think knowledge is a stagnant sacred thing? Sport will always be sport and combat will always be combat, and I never said anything about sport being better. A smart ninja of old would adapt to his situation, not expect his situation to adapt to him.

[HaydenMorison]

Bruce Lee reinvented a martial art. The core concepts of JKD are derived from Wing Chun. So why does Hayes cop so much grief over this? I think it is essential that MA's get updated for modern attackers, when have you seen someone punch traditionally in a street fight?

I'm greatful for anyone who has devoted their lives to this art from my Sensei, to Hayes, Hatsumi, right back to the people that died on the battlefield and in training to improve, and prove that these techniques are effective.

[KJW9]

I just know that once again, a ******** american is stealing/altering something someone else ''brought to the table'' first. I hate how americans always do that shit. Honestly. Like once there was a german who somehow found a way to make wind mills more effective, then suddenly an american corporation came and patented what he invented. F****** americans.. .

[apryor2006]

Are you really that much of an idiot? An American invented the car, Japanese and Germans took it and improved it. An American discovered electricity but it is being used worlwide. Americans also invented the airplane but they are also built worldwide as well as many inventions. What an F****** dumbass!

[SuperKixxx]

do you also flame alll the BJJ guys for stealing jujitsu?

[TakashiMiike17]

@KJW9 America has been a country for a little over two centuries. What should we do, forget everything the human race has learned in the last 10 mellenia? Grow up. Human developement is all about "stealing/altering something someone else 'brought to the table first'" as you say. BTW, americans created the internet, so if you don't like it GTFO.

[mdkvtmc]

yes, you do!! update!

I went to your seminar years ago. you the man, Steve. you the man.

[shadowman45810]

To Shin Do, Bujinkan,Gembukan, Jinkan who cares what you call it as long as it works?!

[MrSASUKEFAN]

can they do the summoning jutsu or shadow clown jutsu?

[dfpoe]

An-Shu Hayes...the real ninja magic...

[simonbigballs]

what more important, sausages or pudding

[skull60000]

masaaki hatsumi is the real master of ninjutsu steven hayes was only one pupil who said Masaaki go their own way but can never be truly recognized as the master of Ninjutsu please check before you say anything to not make mistakes

[psychoticprankster01]

One of the full authentic things about Ninjitsu is also Adapting to the times....

[AshidaKlown]

If he followed thru on what he said he would be dead on, but he still uses dead patterns to try to teach. You need "aliveness" to learn in a manner that will be useful when the time comes to apply your knowledge.

[haniffali]

i totally agree with him