Is China a better partner for Africa than Europe and the West?

[maxlol0]

@arronnov no.your wrong.gun powder was from the chinese.the use of gunpowder spread from east to west.if moors invented it.how come it was the chinese who m used gunpowder to make fireworks.

[russiangymfan]

White racists talk "democracy" and "human rights" all the time but they NEVER practice democracy in the world!  Forcing one's ideology and values on other nations are NOT democracy. Africans, Chinese and all non-white nations have every "human right" to decide whom they want to trade with and how they want to run their own countries. Racists don't care about Africans or Chinese, they put their evil interests above all human beings'.

[sosokjl]

@russiangymfan HOW DARE you telling colored people the truth about White peoples strategy. Please do not educate colored people about how the white people use psychological warfare in order to fool every color people against each other. One day when the white race succeed in their strategy in slowly and painlessly destroy all color people then the world will be theirs.If I was the devil and have an evil intelligent mind, this is exactly how I will play the GREAT GAME against GOD

[madmanjshum]

Go my African brothers, grow grow grow and be a economic and military power and protect African brothers from colonialist who raped, slaved and distroyed beautify African cultures.

[SonnyGoten89]

In other words, he's saying that the Chinese get things done and the traditional donors don't.

[maxlol0]

@belzondium capitalist(upper class),"you'll have found me by those that surround me." is now a commie quote but a capitalist one.

[maxlol0]

@belzondium the west is the real communists.democratic socialism coz your gov is controlled by the people.the majority of lower and middle class fight for the right of themselves and leaves the minority of upper class out in the cold. lol china=real capitalist is a good place for the upper class.the boss of the world will give us the job and not the damn commie like u.haha commies commies u are dead without the upper class(boss) isn't it?

[belzondium]

@maxlol0 You're all over the place with that comment pal, that was pure gibberish.

[maxlol0]

@belzondium LOL i don't find anything wrong with the CCP.they are doing a good job.upper class of the world likes us is a good thing.people of middle class and lower class can get jobs from them.isn't that a good thing? while the west is collapsing coz your upper class all allied with China.while the single party grips on the power is a good way to suppress the economic empires.Great isn't it?

[belzondium]

@maxlol0 Yeah, it's great. It's really charming... the Sudanese and Zimbabweans (arms deals to their dictators), and Tibetans & Uighurs get fucked up the ass; ordinary Chinese can't organize a simple labor union; Beijing acts as the patron and protector of brutal govts in Burma and in North Korea; and the rest of the world chokes on cheap plastic junk Made In China. Great stuff pal.

[maxlol0]

@belzondium what for?people are living happily and fine.there isn't a need for innovation as long China is doing ok.who knows wtf will happen if theres a innovation as such?we have jobs which many people are lack of today.don't be too greedy

[belzondium]

@maxlol0 LOL the funny thing is you haven't disproven anything I said yet. To recap: 1) China tramples on workers rights, lacks innovation, and it is a one-party state; 2) China's tech and infrastructure are a foreign import (from the West); 3) China's power is based on force of numbers (sheer size).

I have nothing against China, I'm just stating some basic facts. That's all buddy!

[maxlol0]

@belzondium yea?foreign firms?are they state owned?they are private and they don't need to and does not represent any governments.they can get any citizenship if they wanted to.They likes to give jobs to the chinese are their choices.it's not my problem that u are losing job coz u are a loser.LOL this also proves that private enterprise allied with China.such a pity for people like u.

[maxlol0]

@belzondium im just talking about the fact. u are just trying to distort the truth.HA EU what EU?if u are taling about alliances,the states of the the former USSR formed an alliance with China called the SCO.what is EU?are u talking about the stupid france that did not get the financial aid from china coz it boycotts China? don't make me laugh..if EU is a whole,why some welcomes China some don't?lol

[belzondium]

@maxlol0 Is China growing 8-9% annually because of compasses and water clocks? Or is it because foreign firms hire you to mass-produce the goods that they themselves design? Most people know the answer... haha

[belzondium]

@maxlol0 Settle down there, of course the EU is not a nation (though it does have a common currency) I was just countering your pointless assertion that China is "stronger than most western countries" - you've got 1.3 billion people, the States have 0.3 mil, France 0.06, that is pretty much your only asset - raw numbers and brutal efficiency (guaranteed by a one-party system). I don't blame you for lack of innovation, though, innovation never thrives in autocratic societies.

[maxlol0]

@belzondium ha.China has the second largest purchase power.while the rest of the world is in recession.China still grows in 8-9% annually.btw china is a communist state.not capitalist.

[maxlol0]

@belzondium shouldn't europe became much stronger if those "western" things are all it takes to be modernized.China became what it is today WITHOUT anybody's help so stop your BS.

[belzondium]

@maxlol0 No, stop your hyper-nationalistic BS defensive pride; it's obscene and ridiculous. You did not become a society with modern technology through compasses and water-clocks.

[maxlol0]

@belzondium ha.so from your point of view.isn't those trains,planes,etc from the past is all it takes to develop modernity.how did china became a superpower today?so much stronger than most western nations?

[belzondium]

@maxlol0 "stronger" meaning what? If you're talking about your nominal GDP, then it's still a third of the EU's (which has a third of your population). On a per capita basis, China's GDP is similar to that of the most backward countries in Europe, like Albania or Montenegro. Did you have some other criteria of "strength"? If so, what? Innovation? Freedom of expression? Explain please...

[maxlol0]

@belzondium all the modern weapons originated from china with the use of gun powder.China also was the first to use rockets.your opinion is so not true when u abuse chinese weapon technologies to generate your economy development.thus,west cound be faster in development coz u stole from others!

[belzondium]

@maxlol0 You really can't see the 'bigger picture' can you? I know that the compass and gun powder came from China. Pointing out that a few things here and there emerged outside of Europe is not much of a counterpoint. Your examples are contingent rather than essential. If gunpowder is all it takes to develop modernity, then by your logic, China should have developed centuries ago. Is this what your school system taught you? Good grief...

[arronnov]

@maxlol0 The Ancient Egyptian had gun powder first. The Moors who where blacks cared what was called fire sticks now today called guns.

[maxlol0]

@belzondium no.it is not.the printing. gun powder.compass water clock etc were from china.

[belzondium]

@maxlol0 Risible delusion, again. The Gutenberg printing press was a German invention with no linkage to China at all. The Chinese used woodblock printing, which also had a vogue in Europe for a while before Gutenberg invented modern printing. Any suggestion otherwise is on the level of conspiracy theory worthy of your Gavin Menzies.

[maxlol0]

@belzondium to be more specific.i think that the problem lies with engine and fuel.british were the ones that industralized first and the whole west copied from it.

[maxlol0]

@belzondium nope.those planes,trains, tec are not 100% from west.we integrated it...just look at the train 50 years ago and compare.u cannot say that those things are 100% western

[belzondium]

@maxlol0 And I forgot to mention telecommunications, radio, & the computer revolution.

Oh and just to be clear, of course Asian engineers have had a role in the development of technology in the past 25 years or so (mostly the Japanese, and recently the Koreans), but that's not the point. My point is: to deride and bash the West when your whole world in founded on science and infrastructure that were initiated by Western contact is pitiable.

[Duqsi]

Africa should keep on doing buzz with China and kick the west out all together,The west has ruined Africa and should never be trusted with their Human rights crap,The west is the worst thing that ever happened to the world ,They ruined the world.

[belzondium]

@Duqsi Then why are you now enjoying Internet access and electricity?

[Duqsi]

@belzondium What kinda question is this?be more clearer!!!!

[belzondium]

@Duqsi Isn't my point obvious? You said "the west is the worst thing that ever happened to the world".. .so I wondered why you choose to enjoy these Western technologies

[Duqsi]

@belzondium I use Japanese technologie,I have never own a pc which was made by the west and never driven a western made car and never will as long as i live.this is my way of boycotting the west, and i ask all my friends and everyone i know to do so and they will.

[belzondium]

@Duqsi That's OK with me; I don't mind if your car is made in Japan or not. But your car, computer, etc are still Western technologies (invented in the West). So I was just pointing out that this must be an uncomfortable position for someone who thinks the West was "the worst thing that ever happened to the world" (your words).

[Duqsi]

@belzondium Let us be honest,The West has done more bad things than good and still doing bad ,So dont tell me about Who invented what! I am talking about who made the technologie which I use,All made by Japan will also use Korean Chinese made products but never ever buy Western made products.

[belzondium]

@Duqsi No, I don't think you're being honest at all. Most people in the world would still have an average life expectancy of about 35 if Western civilization had kept itself to itself.

[belzondium]

@Duqsi Also, you can't pick and choose whom your purchases will benefit. The interconnectivity of the global market doesn't allow that. You may opt for a Japanese or Korean car, but the executives of those car firms are going to use your cash to purchase Western-made luxuries for themselves. That's only one, tiny little example of the way it's impossible to withdraw yourself from the interconnectivity of the global market.

[maxlol0]

@belzondium ha.check it out on utube about that.how come the european dude said that it is true?china did not promote that theory.it is that european dude who proposed it

[maxlol0]

@belzondium back then.europeans got those foundations from china.u can check it out on wiki.so it is fair for china to obtain them. according to wiki why china did not industrialize is bcoz of high equilibrum trap.rise and fall of great civilizations were very common.btw the europeans are no more strong,it is the americans that broke away from europe became the strongest.china btw is the oldest surviving civilization and u can't deny that.westerners did not destroy us.we still hav our cultures.

[belzondium]

@maxlol0 Your entire worldview if built on conspiracy theories. People like you are good for a belly laugh. Yes, we have tons and tons of conspiracy theorists in the West, too - for example that Gavin Menzies clown. You think the 1421 theory is proven to be true, because of ONE pseudo-scholar who happens to be European? Since you're fond of "wiki", this is from Menzies' "wiki" entry: "Mainstream historians dismiss Menzies' theories and assertions as fictitious.[2][3][4][5][6][7] "

[belzondium]

@maxlol0 As for your notion that the West is built on a Chinese foundation: unless you consider the cultivation of silk and tea to be the foundation of Western civilization, then you are mistaken in a most silly way. Poor guy.

"so it fair for China to obtain them" I did not say that was unfair; that was never the question; simply pointing out that you owe about 90percent of your modern civilization to Western contact. And that's OK with me, too, as long you as you fess up to it.

[belzondium]

@maxlol0 The examples I gave "Trains, planes, modern medicine, cinema, Westernized art, assemply-line production, capitalism"

None of those things started in China; none of them. There was some Arabic influence in the development of algebra - but that had nothing to do with China either. The West and China had scarcely any contact whatsoever before the 16th century - before which, the theoretical patterns and dialectical processes of the West been laid long before.

[khepraseti]

Actually ! today very few western financial organisations(IMF ,EURO, FED ...)are able to survive without chinese intervention .Many oversized economies on paper tend to beg money to the chinese to stabilise their economies.

[maxlol0]

@belzondium when china was strong in the past during ming dynasty.zheng he treasure ships sailed around the world to seek diplomatic relations and trades.why didn't china colonize any nations like the westerners did?zheng he fleets were very powerful by then

[belzondium]

@maxlol0 Oh, you're a proponent of the "Chinese discovered America" theory? You realize that fairy-tale is not accepted by historians outside of China, don't you?

[maxlol0]

@belzondium BS go check out science and technology of ancient china.The westerners were only strong in their military.so they abused their powers 8 western nations vs china in the opium war.

[belzondium]

@maxlol0 Yes, "ancient" is the keyword. China might've been a "pure" Chinese society 1,000 years ago, but not anymore. You know perfectly well that China today is a Westernized society. You're so used to it that that you don't realize it anymore. Trains, planes, modern medicine, cinema, Westernized art, assemply-line production, capitalism; China acquired all of these things from the West. There isn't any controversy in this stuff. This is basic world history.

[oporciuncula]

I believe so!

[Davincciable]

when the chinese invented gunpowder their use it for firecracker for celebration while the west stole it and dominated the world . white people is the evil race as u can see from youtube they are the most racist people 

[ziontrain12]

Those Western Europena guys talking don't give a damn Africa development...he is talking about its 1% how much they get back in resource. African nations must start send back their Aid. NORWAY HAS THE HIGHEST INCOME PER CAPTIA IN THE WORLD BECAUSE THE STATE OWNS IT ONLY WEALTH ..OIL.SO WHY EVERY AFRICAN COUNTIRES SHOULD HAVE HIGHER INCOME PER CAPITA BECAUSE THE COUNTRY WITH THE LEAST WEATH IS MUCH MORE THAN NORWAY. GET THE WEST OUT OF AFRICA THEY ARE MURDERERS AND THEIVES. .

YET IT DOES

[carlos64041]

SHT UP WHITIE HOW LONG TIME HAVE YOU BEEN SAYING THT ?

[Szekler11]

africa doenst have the power to chose who fucks it up the ass. at least the west uses lube. once the chinese get in, you're gonna bleed.

[peacemaker788]

to truly help others you need also to help yourself.

that is what bilaterrial relation is all about. other wise it is simply aid.what africans need to keep an eye is what the west is planning to do to to spoil this

promising start to the future.

[gaoasiadragon]

African economy has been growing at 5-6% recently and according to the African Economic Outlook report, Africa’s trade with China has multiplied by 10 between 2001 and 2008.

[SonicGeneration]

@gaoasiadragon Countries like Angola are booming, but only a small minority benefit. 

[zd768]

I definately agree..the black guy tought..chines they just start relationship with africa like 10 years ago and there progress is so owesome..they work hard..they dont talk hard ....and some ppl comment ,they dont trust chaina..ok then go trust ur mom..

[Microglia1]

I don't trust China but I think it's a good relationship...so far. They haven't bombed us yet :-)

[Xinyuan12345]

@Microglia1 Dude can I get something straight? Are you really south african?

[Microglia1]

@Xinyuan12345 Actually, no. I'm from Sudan but I live in S. Africa now.

[blackpythonsc]

@Microglia1 china havent bombed or invaded any countries now and in the past throughout the history.. they only defend, they are very protective over their own country..

[efesmith1]

europians,americans,asia they are all here for reasons africans should look out not to be fooled again

[j0n52]

The Western concept of "freedom"and "democracy" involves invasions, genocides, and occupation of sovereign states. When they leave, they ensure a dictator sympathetic to Western corporate gangsterism is in place.

I am so glad to see Africans have finally turned the page on Western imperialism.

[khepraseti]

Well said brother ! i love you !!

[zweeterion]

Its so hypocritical that the same very European countries that saw to it that Africa is kept poor, in crisis and in want are the ones feigning "concern" about Africa's developmental trade with China.Europe has nothing good to offer Africa.They don't care about African and Africans know it.Worst still,they imagine they can deceive Africans into rejecting the Chinese who are helping her build critical infrastructure that the west REFUSED to help build for some 500 years !

[HybridD91]

@zweeterion Their attempts to deceive aren't working :P. The local Africans are loving the Chinese.

[MultiAlpha111]

the white power is declining and no longer able to exploit Africa for free. So now they start bitching Africa-China relationship and being so jealous to see the others developing so fast.

Ask yourself white ppl, since you would love to talk about human rights and freedom, so who slaved African ppl? who stole the wealth from Africa? who abused color skinned ppl? The most disgusting thing on the earth is the hypocrisy of the west

[HybridD91]

@MultiAlpha111 True. They are threatened that people are getting things done without their say so. When the Europeans went into Africa, they destroyed it. The Chinese go into Africa, relationships are formed. I really believe race is a key issue in this. I honestly do. They always say "We give money to Africa, why can't they progess?" but when progress happens, it's now colonialism and exploitation? Negro please. The Chinese are showing themselves to be the better people.

[belzondium]

@HybridD91 How silly. Europeans exploited Africa because they were able to: they had the navies and the technology. China was not industrialised and had not yet become a global presence. Now, today, thanks to Western technology and infrastructure, the Chinese are able to do these nice investment projects in Africa, which would be impossible it they had never come into contact with the West. It's a simple matter of opportunity.

[SonicGeneration]

@HybridD91 Comparing the events hundreds of years ago to the 21st century is unfair. Europe gives Africa billions to develop but they don't, because most of the money goes into the pockets of corrupt African leaders. I hope China does make changes in Africa, but really, it's unfair to blame Europe for all its problems when none of us were even alive.

[Legitimatemuffins]

@MultiAlpha111 im fairly sure their was never any wealth in africa.

[khepraseti]

Yes ! and Hitler was born in Africa his birth certificate was found in Madagascar!!!

[lebleugg]

@MultiAlpha111 And you believe the Chinese will be different? Just asking.

[MultiAlpha111]

@lebleugg All the world powers want African resources, the difference is the west get it by using guns, China get it by doing trade.

[lebleugg]

@MultiAlpha111 It's nice that the Chinese are coming in building infrastructure in Africa, but they are not teaching you how to build your own. That is the same thing the West did and when they left the knowledge went with them. It seems that eventually you will be left in the same position. You may end up with no resources left and no ability to maintain or duplicate the work the Chinese left. Why not sell your resources and build yourself? It confuses me. Just saying.

[SonicGeneration]

@lebleugg For some reason, people are under the illusion that China is saving Africa. Uh, hello, China is a corrupt communist state that is highly undemocratic and is brutal to its OWN people. Why do you think China cares about Africa but not Chinese people themselves? You foolish idiots, you complain about racism yet you are racist yourselves, blaming all of Africa's problems on white men when in fact it is your black leaders that is the reason why Africa is so poor, corrupt, theiving bastards.

[Africaunite2020]

@iafp39 A monkey is humping your mother right now...her white pusssy is looose you can see your new brothers coming out....what a clown

[LotN2]

China: You are most welcome to Africa. More China-Africa trade thank you!

[MsMe1001]

God wipe these Chinese and the West at the end of the day they all after africa natural resources, they have to say we here to bulid Africa all bullshit. All these Chinese and Europen should leave Africa and stop the lies, they benefit more than they give Africa. Even the Indians wann make relation with Africa .... fuck them all

[choikyo]

@MsMe1001 Hi British, China didn't say they are not for resources, however, it is through trade and business and do not force political shit and extra condition or sanctions on these countries. Do not make you sound like you are from africa. On the other hand, if you really concern about Africa, these countries have their needs based on their lvl or development. Do not make some silly statement and make it sounds like you are worried. You know what, fuk british first.

[topkualamu166461]

poor white man english hardly could be comprehended, compare with african's english he just like a kindergarden graduate.

[ImTheRainYoureTheSun]

I like Africa

[sklsm3]

Concrete fact is ... China is a better business partner than WEST for Africa.

[DegahbourCity]

@sklsm3 TRUE!

[glennboy28]

@hslayerm helping doesnt have guns pointing at innocent people. dumb fuck

[Bofta1]

All partnership are important as long as they add value to Africa & are made on the principles of give-and-take, fairness, equity & justice. The West has been a long term partner of Africa, all right , but it tended to focus less on what matters most for Africa. Development in Africa can only emanate from agriculture: irrigation & development of agri-buisness enterprises & not on food aid. Africa does not need Aid any more BUT needs FAIRE TRAID & technological transfer. Tell it like it is!!!

[Barrackobama1000]

Why china,Africa and south America prosperity make so many people mad ? I believe china,Africa,s.America will succeed in this century..the world without poverty.why Americans and Europeans mad about ?

[vernontrumpet2000]

@Barrackobama1000 europe and america are mad because they now realize that they have lost africa and their ability to exploit .China gives africa a better deal 4 their natural resources thus leaving the europeans without. europe still needs those resources 4 survival and plans to take them by force.this is why NATO is attacking Libya,it wants to use Libya as a launching pad to go into subsaharan africa to seize its resources,especially that of zimbabwe who england hates. beware da europeans

[showlink]

N O

[Loudensll]

No brained for sure

[edwardtang1977]

NATO bombs africa.

China brings money and build stuff for you.

It's a no brainer

[JTsky100]

China and Africa 4 ever one :DD fuck the W E S T

[WavesOfTrolls]

europeans are a bunch of lying pigs

[eastern2western]

fuck the europeans. when they were raping and robing africa, did they gave a fucken shit about human rights and democracy? now china works with africa, the white people trid to block them with the ristrictions that they did not had to work with during their colonic days.

[WavesOfTrolls]

@eastern2western i agree

they are making excuses for their hypocrisy

[lolumad82]

@eastern2western Your stupid man, china is not their to help africa, their there to help themselves.

[Bofta1]

@lolumad82 There is nothing wrong with that as long as we are also helping ourselves in that regard. Technology transfer is the future of Africa!

[hotmail2101]

@uupiinarms crazy?WE R CHINA'S NEIGHBOUR. N having a 1000 year old relationship, is good enuff proof tat China is some1 u can trust!y can't u b happy tat we all get along?we r after all brothers n sisters descendants of the first humans, africans!

[richardhaw]

it is time for africa to rise up

[DedicatedOne2]

I know what people are going to say. But to the Chinese if you work with us WE WILL WORK WITH YOU!! Don't work against us. Work with us. Together we can both be great. You're just different from the Europeans (more humane). Read what they have done and what they're still doing to us!!

Africa has a horrific past with the Western/European nations. So they dug themselves in a ditch a long time back!! I believe the Chinese would call that Karma? No?

Peace!!

[WavesOfTrolls]

@uupiinarms this proves that not only westerners are delusional, but don't know anything about history. east asian countries had to pay a tribute to china, but in exchange china gave them gifts of greater value LOL. this was just a symbolic thing.

[tinurieaa]

China y Europa son lo mismo hoy en día, pero creo que por lo menos podríamos estar seguros de que Europa NO es bueno para Africa (ni para nadie). Deberían establecer lazos con America Latina.

[xjuhox]

"When we want something concrete we go to China."

I can assure that idioit than when you are full of debts and all goods going to China without money coming in, then you will start feeling something pretty concrete.

[WavesOfTrolls]

@xjuhox Europeans are good are colonizing other countries and siphoning wealth out of these countries. History shows that. China is following the same development strategy as Japan did during its colonial period.

[Barrackobama1000]

Hahaha...if Africa want something to be done and done quickly.goes to China.if you need the theory of aid,development,democracy,gove­rning system.etc.etc goes to the West.. it is very clear picture.the west want oil and raw materials from poor Africa . China want the peace, strong,prosperous Africa and Latin America.it is benefit China to sell their products .instead to North American and European Market.