America - I am a Canadian and we have great health care. Don't believe the crap they are trying to sell you. Cut out your insurers, government pays doctors and hospitals directly and you will do fine.
US medical care is excellent. Except nobody can afford it and get screwed by insurance companies, LOL. But I won't say anything else on this video, I don't want the Americans to stop clinging on to their desperate lies as it would burst their bubble.
@portlanddem I have a friend in Washington state who is in a very bad way right now because he did not have medical insurance for a long time and so couldn't go for treatment. He finally has insurance but now his condition seems quite degraded. :( Makes me feel guilty because I can go and see a doctor any time I wish to at no charge but avoid going. My friend on the other hand did not have that choice and is suffering because of it. :(
I dont think these guys are payed actors since it would be illegal (it would fall under false advertisement etc)(there are other laws but I don't feel like writing 300 words...) but what I do think is that, I only saw If I recall, 3 different people interviewed?, I'll bet you anything they asked 50, 100 maybe ven hundreds of people. So just like every other commercial and such they always take the answers that would help them out the most
@portlanddem: Ditto. We Canadians sometimes wait for our turn, but hey I don't have to file for bankruptcy if I have a major surgery... :) Is this failing?!
Also Remember: My work PAYS for my medial... do your corporate leaders care to pay that for you? You (US) have a corporate problem... a capitalist problem.... Good luck solving it.
@waynewin Yep, and out of 300 million folks in the US here, when you throw in the 50+ million who are uninsured, and lets give just a 5% conservative estimate of those who don't like what they have and want a universal or even single-payer health care plan, there are about a total of roughly 60-65 million who do not like the current health insurance they're dealing with here in the US. Our health care is a joke, and though "Obamacare" isn't anywhere near Canada's insurance, I say bring it on....
44000 people in Windsor dont have a family doctor because they dont need one. There are lots of clinics you can go to any time. As people get older they start needing a family doctor but young people dont need one. What Canadians are going to the US??? I dont know one person who has ever gone to the US for treatment and i have a big family and lots of friends.
@FuckThatShitBitch100 Thank you for pointing this link out and yes, I wouldn't doubt these people are all paid actors, or as "waynein" correctly points out, the less than 1% of Canadians who hate their health care.
I made a public commitment when I said I am willing to trade *anyone* straight up--my home, job and insurance ( I have no insurance ) ---anyone, straight up for theirs in Canada, and I said this 4 yrs ago--I have YET to find any takers. None, and guess what, there's MORE like me!!
It saddens me to see how gullible our american brothers and sisters are to right wing myths and propaganda from lobbyists. Canada has among the highest quality health care in the g20 and over 86% of Canadians rate our system as good.
@vistarox I would venture to say that the # of Canadians who like their health care would be over 90% ( even as a conservative estimate. )
Several types of illnesses or injuries means automatic bankruptcy for folks here in the US. I don't think anyone files bankruptcy over medical bills in Canada. Here in the US, medical bills are most of the bankruptcy filings...
Jeff's only treatment option in Saskatchewan was chemotherapy so the Lukyes turned to the Mayo Clinic. Specialists there told them his only option for survival was extremely radical surgery..The 30-year-old from Estevan has endured 55 hours of extreme surgery during the past month...Jeff consistently rated his pain an eight out of 10 prior to the surgeries..Now he ranks his pain at three or four..(DUH..HIS ONLY CHANCE FOR SURVIVAL) complicated cases in canada get no help.
@WCBvictim THE SAME anecdotal bullshit that MEANS nothing you pathetic fuck. For every Jeff there are thousands upon thousands of Canadians saved EVERY year with their cancer treatment. You are a fuckin idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@MadHabber93 well said, this video is nothing but insurance industry funded propaganda. If only Americans knew how much they get ripped off, they would be rioting in the streets right now.
Fenwick’s report revealed that the patient “Christopher,” changed name, had gone to numerous doctors and specialists in Saskatchewan for getting treated his migraine headache, vision loss and low blood pressure but all went in vain. Then at Mayo clinic in US he was diagnosed with the brain tumour and was offered to get his surgery done within few days. He then went under surgery there as he had not been treated in his own country, Canada;;(NUMEROUS DOCTORS / SPECIALISTS; were they in denial?
@FIXWCBCANADA ...,In December 2010, 41-year-old Marlene Stephens died after waiting an hour and a half at the William Osler Health Centre emergency room in Toronto. According to family members, she was experiencing respiratory problems, and crying out that she couldn't breathe, but was ignored. (but i guess you psychopaths think it's okay)...UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IS CANADA'S BIGGEST LIE;
what a load of tripe. an american who knows nothing of canadians. under the canadian system I have had three angioplasties, 3 years of dialysis, a double organ transplant, after enduring 41 years of type 1 diabetes I have nothing but praise. as one who also designs medical facilities as an architect specializing in health care I can speak with authority. the canadians system is great.
@UpstairsMaid I lived in Canada for 4 years and can testify that the wait times are indeed beyond acceptable by anyone's measure! My many Canadian friends and relatives all agree with my previous statement. You are obviously lying and based on your stated profile age of 25 verses your 41 years of diabetes you are a chronic lair! If Canadian health care is so good then why do they come here for treatment while virtually no Americans go their?
@dsmith6289 well when you have no means to refute someone's statements a boor attacks the person rather than debate the message. as of now you are blocked and I will summarily delete sll further comments from you without reading them. I am a walking medical miracle who has suffered greatly yet done it all with grace. and the hope that canada has given me.without the canadian medical system I would have died long ago.
@UpstairsMaid I meant no offense to you but your profile age shows 25 so how could you have suffered an illness for 41 years? I assure you as a person who has lived in both countries your suffering would have most likely been less in the USA. I however will pray for your medical miracles to continue for many years to come.
@dsmith6289 I decided to watch this video again, and came across your posts. I would never give my age or any other factual personal data on the internet that could lead to identity theft. I design hospitals for a living. I will never go to the us, ever. Your insurance companies have a little clause called pre-existing condition. as diabetes is known to cause renal failure and heart disease I would not be covered by american insurance. as I said - I would be dead already if I lived in the usa.
@UpstairsMaid Thanks for the advice but that was my approximate age intentionally off as are any other details I give close but not accurate for obvious reasons. No one is ever denied emergency service they will be sued later but you will not go untreated. I am quite familiar with Hospitals in Ontario and Quebec as I lived there for years and also visited there many times along with Canadian friends and relatives that still live there.
@UpstairsMaid While the American system is not perfect it is the finest in the world. The Capitalist model always brings out the best quality unfortunately there is always the issue with funding for the poorest amongst us. I am confident that once the Conservatives get in power and through out the unsustainable Socialist modeled Obamacare it will be replace with the best possible Conservative/Socialist compromise possible. Thanks for the civil discussion as i rarely get that from Libs.
What is wait list insurance? Just another thing that has been spun? Canadians don't wait years for surgery although Americans do wait that long and even longer. In fact, some Americans never live to see surgery. There are far more Americans travelling out to get surgery than there are going to the US for surgery. People don't enter lotteries to get a doctor, they enter to get a regular family doctor. They can get a doctor any time tey like. Americans enter a lottery to get health care.
This Is BULLSHIT Maybe it is a bit slow but at least we have a health system. The US DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. Like I said, this is a piece of FUCKING BULLSHIT.
@hinglopl ,,,WOW another ignorant and oblivous CANUCK. pay attention dummy, some day you'll be exactly were many canadians are at; DENIED UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE; even the head of the canadian medical assoc, is calling for change look it up, due some research before you spew your venomous lies;
The Canadian system is just one giant health insurance plan that covers everyone. So I don't see how a doctor shortage is related to national health insurance. As I understand, in 1992 they felt they had too many doctors so to save money provincial governments reduced the number of spots at medical schools. They are also very slow at extending accreditation to foreign doctors. So their problems are significant, but exist outside of their universal system of coverage for all its citizens.
@juxtn Well said. Another thing is in Canada, everyone is covered under the *SAME* health care plan---it isn't like here in the states where your neighbor might have better health coverage than you have, or they have less of a co-pay than you have to pay, etc. It is all about financial status for health care in the US, plain and simple. If you don't have the $ to pay for all your services you need done, the medical facilities don't give a shit about you--there are *very rare* exceptions to this
@dnganga Are you serious? It sounds like all you're doing is repeating right-wing talking points. I am sure I can name a lot more things the gov't does * right * than you can naming things they do wrong.
I've been waiting 6 months to just get an appointement with a specialist. Havent heard from them yet, called them twice they say try again in another couple months. Have a medical problem I'd rather have fixed- piss myself everytime I cough/sneeze/bend over. Try living in fucking diapers at the age of 34. Like I want to wait, I want treatment!!
I am from Canada and have lived here for over 50 years including a hip transplant. I have had great health care, never been told what doctor to see and never had to worry about losing my house if I get sick. I guess I am one of the lucky ones. Oh wait Tommy Douglas voted by Canadians as the greatest Canadian ever (he brought Universal Health Care to Canada) and the vast majority of Canadians when surveyed are satisified with out system.
To break it down to you all who don't understand Canada's health care plan let me break it down for you: The worse off you are the higher up you are on the list in ER or surgery. They have a shortage of SPECIALISTS in Canada just like we do in the US. Now it's a bit crazy, I'm in the middle of moving up there and I found out I have to get a referal for an OBGYN, but my PCP could deliver my baby for me. Plus Canadian moms get 50 weeks maternity leave that's 44 more than US moms. But every1 has HC
@Cerridwen247 i'd still trade...i'm from new york and i know how both systems run...now for the last time i don't think americas system is perefect! far from it...but i'd take it over canadian health care...but overall both are world class systems! if you're a bum with no who can't get a job canada is the place to go...but if you has half a brain and goals america is better
This video is total BS. I know people in Canada--in a city as well as small towns and it is NOTHING like the people in this right-wing propaganda video portray it out to be!
@dirksilver True, but I'll tell you what. Tell that one guy in Canada--any guy--who is dissatisfied with his insurance up there, that I will glady trade him w/ what I have here. I don't have any vision or dental insurance either, but that's ok, just the health insurance, and I'm sure there are 50 million+ other Americans ( just that are uninsured--not including the ones who are under-insured or just fed up w/ their insurance ) that would change spots too.
@portlanddem i'd trade with you...and you just saif that you don't have dental or vision? canadian health care doesn;t cover vision or dental!!!!!!! you have to have supplementary insurance through your job! canada wouldn't fix your problem man!
also there are soooo many people who choose "things" over health care insurance and responsibility and i think your number would go way down if that was taken into acount...oh and 23 million will still be uninsured after obamacare fully comes through
@dirksilver You'd trade with me huh? I hope you don't have a family or plan on having a family because if your spouse or kids get hurt or sick, and you are laid off still from a job, guess what? you still owe for that several thousand $ bill, and it won't matter if you waited 4 hrs or 6 hrs in an ER to come out w/ a bill that high.
The US health care is better *if you can afford it*. Unless you have a trust fund or you're well-off financially, you better stay up there, because you'll age.
@dirksilver Hope you're preggers. That's the only thing that'll speed up the process in NY where I live. I know about vision and dental from my inlaws (all Canucks) but I'm a health care worker so I get a govt plan. I also know that it won't take the same amount of time that it takes down here to get covered.
Also, what about caps? My GRANDPARENTS have a 1K cap and they have to spend another 1k before their insurance will cover their meds again. Still want to trade?
and just because i was really thinking about if i wanted you to know i think this who issue is over hyped...canadian healthcare is good but so is american health care...the truth of the whole argument is some where in the middle...there are good aspects of both...i just would prefer a free market approach
@dirksilver Don't have any problem w/ free market approach to business, but still goes w/o saying: healthcare should *NEVER* be a "for profit" business. I agree we have the best health care in the world, but *only* for those who can afford it. It is ill-minded and sick to not care for those who are sick or injured and just let them suffer or die because they don't have the funds themselves.
@portlanddem Procedures in countries that have socialized medicine are not "cheaper" they are subsidized by their tax payers & usually a of a lower quality. Thats why the Canadian prime minister came to the U.S. & paid more for his heart procedure because he wanted the best not the cheapest. Plus, many of those "procedures" were developed in the capitalist U.S. healthcare system (90% of new breakthrus are U.S. Yes greed & $ motivate it) once that motivation stops we stall our progress.
@applejuiced Ya helping my self stay healthy and being responsible for my own healthcare decisions in life. If everyone did that no one would need to juice others for tax money to fix the decisions in life that resulted in their health care predicament. If everyone fixed their own shit they wouldn't need others to fix it for them.
@javari I agree, staying healthy is individual responsibility; regardless of which country one lives in, but what if you were to get something like cancer? Did you know that is where most private health insurance co. here in the US drop people?!? You know how much cancer treatment costs? Try 7 figures over a lifetime. If you aren't making that kind of $, who is going to pay for your services? There are things out of your control and for most people, this turns into bankruptcy. Our HC is flawed
@portlanddem I know. My wife works for the #1 Cancer center in the world "MD Anderson". The majority of cancers are a result of lifestyle decisions = Personal & individual choices. Those Cancers & ailments not the fault of the ind. still fall under the category of "no one can't guarantee crap wont happen or that you will have a safe life". Its nature; get insurance or let mother nature take its course. If our HC is flawed now then it has been flawed since the dawn of time cuz "Crap Happens"
@dirksilver i'd trade with you...and you just saif that you don't have dental or vision? canadian health care doesn;t cover vision or dental!!!!!!! you have to have supplementary insurance through your job! canada wouldn't fix your problem man!
also there are soooo many people who choose "things" over health care insurance and responsibility and i think your number would go way down if that was taken into acount...oh and 23 million will still be uninsured after obamacare fully comes through
@dirksilver I think you meant to reply to me here so I'm just catching it.
Of course I know you guys don't cover dental or vision--that is why I meant I'm fine with that. Just gimme the health coverage and I'll be thrilled with that!
Yes, & "Obamacare" won't cover those 23 million and you know why? because the loophole in the bill will not cover independent contractors. Most employers have been resorting to that ( or temp services ) just to not pay benefits here, so that will increase in 3 yrs
@portlanddem i think you're being silly when you say that some many people believe it's actually called obamacare...that just happens to be the common vernacular maing it understandable for people to say it
@dirksilver No, I'm not kidding. People *actually* think that is the name of the bill.
They *actually* think that they'll lose their insurance all together, Obama ( or whoever is president ) will send them a blue pill in the mail when they reach 55 y/o to end their life early--crazy shit! I know it sounds stupid, but you listen to the news some of the batshit crazy folks they interview--especially the Tea party folks, OMG!
This is why the world says "Americans are an utter joke!"
@portlanddem Actually YES America used to do physical exams for immigrants at the turn of the century but do not do it now. That is part of a bigger immigration problem we and actually Canada has too. The Bankrupting kind of medical bills are catastrophic stuff and is actually cheap to get insurance for since the deductible is so high. But regardless I dont care. If someone gets their house burned down or cancer it sucks but its not everyone else s responsibility they didn't have insurance.
@javari That's true--we are in agreement there. But, I also don't care if some CEO is crying and wimpering about how being regulated following laws and such is going to hurt their business. I'm not for welfare states either--whether it be the taxpayers or corporations. Corporate welfare is MUCH more expensive and just as much a waste of $ as "socialized" welfare is.
I'm an American w/o healthcare. I'd rather have some damn health care. The problem they have in Canada is that they don't have enough specialists. They have the other shortages that everyone else has. News flash, we don't have regular Dr's in the States either. My daughter just went for a check up and she sees a Nurse practitioner not a Dr. 80% of Canadians don't want our health care, but if you 20% want to trade with some of us
@Cerridwen247 actually, I'm sure that it would be even higher than 80% of Canadians wouldn't want our health care. Most Canadians won't even come to visit in the states unless they purchase a "travel health insurance" that protects them just in case of an unforeseen accident or illness. I'd be willing to bet it's closer to 90% or higher who would not want to trade insurance options with the US.
@portlanddem Yeah it may be closer to 90%. From what my fiancè says most of the disgruntled Canadians are the rich ones who don't think they should have to wait in lines like everyone else because that's just how it is in Can. B/c when my pregnant self comes in the ED in labour you'd better believe I'm getting seen before that millionare with the sliver in his pinky. Also I've heard about the travel health insurance, but from what I understand provincial is excepted in the US, but just temp.
@Cerridwen247 Yes, that is correct. What is odd is that the travel insurance that Canadians can get in Canada to visit the states is MUCH easier to obtain than it is for us to get the same thing that would be valid if something went wrong in Canada on a visit up there.
Must be all that "socialized" and "communistic" health care you guys have that makes things easier for folks who travel between the two countries ;-)
@Cerridwen247 Yep, correct. I had actually just sent you a youtube email a few min ago.
If you're marrying a Canadian citizen, it will make it much easier to reach the "point" system that Canada has up there, but yes, I sent you a youtube email with some questions and such in it :-)
@portlanddem Yeah I got that. Well if you have a skilled job where you have a lot of experiance or can get someone to get you a work visa, maybe that would work?
@Cerridwen247 Yep, the skilled job I looked into as well. I know someone else that lives in BC and he said teachers is one skill that is really high in demand up there now.
I'm sorry but you wait to see the doctor in America too. It takes me a month to see the dentist...a week to two weeks to see the doctor...long wait in the ER and I even have insurance that forces me to go to a SPECIFIC ER...in an EMERGENCY or I pay completely out of pocket and yes, it is healthcare through my employer and I had NO choice on which insurance I got.
@samala5793 Yep, I had a hernia surgery done in March 2010. I had seen the doctor before so I didn't need to see another referral they commonly send you to, but took me 2 1/2 weeks to see the doctor again & another FULL month for the surgery to be scheduled ( and this was a hernia in my chest ) and I live in a very large US city. 8 hrs total in hospital= $22,000 bill w/ no insurance.
We've been getting fed FAR TOO MUCH BULLSHIT FOR FAR, FAR TOO LONG when it comes to Canadian healthcare!!
@jordler I obtained a 6K hospital bill being in 1 a few weeks ago, right now all my bills are on hold since I'm preggers w/o health care and have to meet w/ medicare. However my fiancè's a Canadian and I'm working on being able to move. I can NOT wait for my 50 week Maternity leave. Even the 1st 15 weeks pwns the 6 we get here.
@Cerridwen247 You're smart to move up there now. The health care reform bill here in the states will not end up being implemented,and come 2014 when it is due to be implemented, there will be THOUSANDS trying to flee up there to get cheaper health care ( because you know LOTS of other employers by then will drop coverage for their employees--or retain them as independent contractors ( a loophole in the bill ) only and Canadian Parliament will make it even tougher to move up there I'm sure...
@heather27774 you already paid a lot more than 200$ in your tax for those services. So you paid more AND you wait in line. I think we are not winner about that in canada.
@heather27774 actually, many places here in the states, you'll pay a LOT more than $200 USD for a check-up, because the doctor would want to run tests, and more tests, and more tests, and by the time you get out of there, you're looking at a $500-1000 bill, easily!
The people in this video were obviously carefully selected so the most one-sided viewpoint could be presented. Forget logic and hard numbers, anecdotal whining is apparently definitive proof that the Canadian system sucks.
#1. Canadians outlive Americans by SEVERAL years and have much lower infant mortality rates. It´s always been this way since for-profit medical care was replaced with socialized medical care.
#2. Even Sarah Palin sneaks into Canada for treatment as revealed 2 days ago.
#3. We have no CAPS, we have at times line ups BUT we don´t endanger lives and that proof is in the pudding....again, we outlive Americans and always will.
That's not because of your health care system. It's because many more Americans are lazy and obese, living off garbage fast food and not taking care of their bodies.
I honestly don't understand why Americans are so threatened by the concept of providing healthcare to every citizen free of charge. Canadian here, used the system all my life, including through 2 serious illnesses and I would be afraid to be in the States and be ill. I have friends there who tell me they can't go see the doctor because they can't afford it... very scary in my opinion.
@silkentresses Yep, and there are over 50 million folks here in the US and counting now who are without health insurance....
Problem is most American's say they are for "watching out their neighbor" and coming together when things aren't going well in the country. BS. They only care about themselves, and if it cost them $10 or even $20 more per month in their insurance so everyone in the country would be covered, they'd rather say screw it and keep what they have. That is a totally true story!
I spent 24 years of my life in Canada and never once did I have any problems with the healthcare. That included when I broke my arm and when my friend's wife had a child.
The only people in Canada who want an American style system are people who stand to make money from a private system. As far as doctor and nurse shortages go, every country in the world has the same problem.
@Johnbizzen Well if they have a shortage in every country... Why are they getting treated faster in the US? But your wrong... A lot of Canadians don't like the health care system... Like the Premier of Newfoundland.
@davidmesaaz 97% of Canadians think that Canadian health care is great & we REFUSE to change to an inferior American style one. Newsflash: There are no lotteries for anything medical in Canada, & there is no waiting for anything remotely serious. Yes, if you have surgery for an ingrown toenail, you might wait a couple of weeks. This video is garbage & the negative issues it pretends occur in Canada are false & American propaganda. We REFUSE to change to American style heathcare.
@davidmesaaz Danny Williams having surgery in Florida had nothing to do with the access or quality of healthcare in Canada. Danny Williams had his surgery in FEBRUARY, & it's impossible to golf in Canada in February. He had surgery in Florida because he OWNS A CONDOMINIUM in Florida & belongs to a GOLF CLUB there, so he had his surgery in Florida because he could stay at his condo and play GOLF during his recuperation. Danny Williams would have had surgery in Canada is it weren't for GOLF.
@davidmesaaz Well, I'll tell you what. Get ahold of the Premier of Newfoundland and tell them that 50 other million Americans ( besides myself ) will GLADLY trade spots in regards to health care. Name the time and place.
@portlanddem So your saying that when Obamacare is implemented people will got to Canada for cheaper care? What your implying is that Obamacare won't work it will be a colossal failure and people will be running to Canada for cheaper care. I would agree with that. The problem with heatlh care is not too little government restrictions but too much.
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves for posting this video. Like the US system is perfect and takes care of everyone! I'm not familiar with Canada, but it seems like they try. And if Canada is not the way to go, look at other places, like Spain. We have an excellent health care system which is run by the government and free of charge... even for American tourists should they need to use it! And if you WANT to pay more for private insurance, we have that too. It's your money after all.
@scryerofold Talk about being screwed. Wanna trade spots when it comes to health care coverage? I'll look for a doctor in BC and you can have my no-insurance policy I have here in the states.
Should the Canadians be hosting the olympics if they can't provide safe facilities as seen with the death of the Georgian luger? Canada is like a third-world nation. Have you driven on their roads?
...but looking at the life expectancy data, you´d realize how meaningful those 9 places are. We outlive Americans by many many years. Our infant mortality rate is far better. I don´t want to sell them on socialized medicine but I simply despise profiteers of medical care who place profit before life while they off load the sick and dying to the taxpayer while cherry picking the healthy. Where´s the fairness?
We no longer have the power to vote for or against proposed laws. A full police-state is on its way, a new by-law in BC will dictate that police have the right to infiltrate and confiscate property as seen fit, and law charges for those who place anti-Olympics signs in their windows. The freedom of speech mandate was reviewed and modified in 2008 to limit public opinion and free expression. Soon the public will be disarmed and only a corrupt government and criminals will have the power..
agreed. to bad thier taking away freedom's lest we forget and how quickly people do. but I tell you this if they take little freedoms such as thou's away the freedom to say and think whatever you want and to express what you beleivie in on your OWN property well thats fighting words and if they don't listen well my friend all fight for them. sad isn't it, I never thought I'd have to fight another canadian in my life but maybe there not IF YOU THROW AWAY FREEDOM YOUR NOT A PERSON NOT CANADIAN
often you are put on a list for an oncologist... and those spots mostly come from someone else dying. Again, not every Hospital treats cancer, most patients have to travel hundreds of miles for treatments. Many cancer treatments in Canada are listed as 'elective surgery', again, people in the USA are not equipped to wait for either a doctor or a cancer treatment, and rightfully so.
Canada imposes a limit on how many patients a doctor may have 1 too many and the doctor is fined big time. It took me months to find a family doctor who had room for me... but didn't have room for my two children. Also, Canada does NOT duplicate service, example, CAT scans are not in every hospital or town. When a patient is RX'd with cancer there is no 'get you treatment right now' instead,
I was lucky enough to be able to live 3 years in Germany and Canada. And I will say, most medical staff, in both countries are wonderful, caring people. German medicine is about 10-15 years behind USA in medical treatments. They give new born babies 'a bottle of tea' for their first meal, all flowers and plants must be removed from your hospital room at night so the patient can get clean air while sleeping, their emergency rooms are packed with patients always.
I was lucky enough to be able to live 3 years in Germany and Canada. And I will say, most medical staff, in both countries are wonderful, caring people. But the truth is German medicine is about 10-15 years behind USA in medical treatments. They give new born babies 'a bottle of tea' for their first meal, all flowers and plants must be removed from your hospital room at night so the patient can get clean air while sleeping, their emergency rooms are packed always.
while doctor office/ outpatient care is more entrepreneurial. Hospitals are not free market, they are run by the provinces so Canada has more than just a government provided insurance program as it is simply described.
Canada should allow some hospitals to go private & form networks. Additionally Canada needs to be more competitive with the US by attracting doctors with incentives, including better compensation. Otherwise the patient-to-doctor ratio will stay low.
And, yes, I was born and raised in America. Doesn't mean I have to like it; does it? Nope. So, all of you flag worshipers can kiss my non-patriotic butt. -slaps it-
Hey, Carlton... Looks like your Republican friends took it up the ass, this time around. :) We may not be fully socialized as far as healthcare is concnered, yet, but we're closer. So, how about you GTFO? Turdsniffing conservative failcake.
I'm a Libertarian, I have no allegiance to the Republican party, or any party for that matter you twit. I vote based on which candidate I believe is A. More Qualified and B. Who represents viewpoints in the best interest of my country, not myself, unlike yourself. Oh, and I'm not going anywhere. Not a pussy-ass liberal. I don't cut and run with my tail between my legs like a little bitch. See you when the revolution begins. ; )
Frankly, let me say this: At least Canadians ALWAYS have an option for treatment available to them, even if it means having to wait for it. Not all Americans can claim the same. Some suffer for months on end with no light at the end of the tunnel, in America. Some people are forced to rely on emergency services, for which they are raped, financially. If they could pay for it, I'm sure they'd have done so happily instead of being slapped with huge debts they have no hope of paying. Boo USA.
Solialized INSURANCE which is what our system really is works. I broke a clavical and spent 2 hours in emerge to get it looked at, but this was 2 in the morning and I live in a rural area anyway so my wait wasn't that bad. Plus two guys came in after me but need more urgent care. Im fine with that, Saw a specialist 1 week later and I was set. What did it cost me? $12 for a sling. Let's compare that to any emergency room visit in the US. I dare you!
@buttercrust24 Yep, the cost of your procedure here in the US? Try about $600-1000 in an E.R. or wait a week or so to see a family physician and pay about $200-400.
@buttercrust24 Almost! Actually that Canadian procedure would cost minimal $1500-2000 in an ER here in the states. That would be minimal amount it would cost just because of the xrays that would have to be done.
An injury or serious illness in Canada? Less than $100 TOTAL in an ER
An injury or serious illness in the US? At least $1000 on up
The result: NO medical bankruptcies in Canada. THOUSANDS per year every year here in the US.
That's true. Medicare and Medicade are huge factors in the the cost of healthcare in the US. A family member of mine works in a not for profit community hospital, and they rely on private insurance to compensate for what little they get from the gov't. In other words, private insurance pays more *because* of gov't. The operators there know that the hospital would go bankrupt if they had to rely solely on what the gov't pays out.
@simontimon2 Don't forget about the millions of folks each year, who use the E.R. for something like a common cold, while all of us pay for it ( even folks such as myself w/ no health insurance ) which REALLY drives up the costs! The hospital and doctors have to get paid somehow.
@simontimon2 Yep, the hospitals here in the states have to treat you too, but if someone doesn't have the $ to pay it, the taxpayers ( including those w/o health insurance themselves ) foot the bill.
@simontimon2 and when I go see a doctor, dentist or optician, I'm going to pay for it too, but guess what, I am ALSO paying for everyone else to use a doctors services who can't afford it, and I don't even have health insurance myself!
Plus, you will *NEVER* have a million $ dentist bill, but million $ hospital bills are quite common. Get cancer or have open heart surgery and look what the cost is then.
@simontimon2 Yes, I am well aware that it is very cheap to have surgery in India. Problem is getting there from the US & the expenses that come not only in travelling there, but once your there.
Regulating the industry is what would keep the prices down. I think we've got a pretty good look at what deregulating industries here in the states has done the last half a dozen year; especially when it comes to the economy.
You've heard of the FCC haven't you? ( a gov't entity that regulates the electronic industry )
Remember the summer of '08--the gas prices? The oil industry is one of the least regulated services in the country and that summer was a good example of what happens when something isn't regulated.
No, health care is not regulated in the US. If it were, than insurance co's couldn't run amok with fees.
Free trade was deregulated, look what happened to jobs.
I said the electronic industry is one of the least regulated industries. I didn't say that there weren’t any regulation. I said that there was a significantly less regulations then in the health care industry.
I said the electronic industry is one of the least regulated industries. I didn't say that there weren’t any regulation. I said that there was a significantly less regulations then in the health care industry.(stupid liberal)
But there are no regulation that prevent companies from charging those prices. It's a thing call compatition that keeps those prices down. (Stupid liberal)
In China, life is cheap, so I wouldn't use them as a yardstick. For example, their record in mining accidents is atrocious - hundreds of Chinese coal miners die every year.
I like this better then they amarican health care system, witch is the worst in the world for developed countrys
IndestructiblePug 3 days ago
Most of the developed world has universal healthcare. America's system is simply run on greed
LCenterR 1 month ago
America - I am a Canadian and we have great health care. Don't believe the crap they are trying to sell you. Cut out your insurers, government pays doctors and hospitals directly and you will do fine.
saltnlightful 1 month ago
US medical care is excellent. Except nobody can afford it and get screwed by insurance companies, LOL. But I won't say anything else on this video, I don't want the Americans to stop clinging on to their desperate lies as it would burst their bubble.
TheMarksmenCat 3 months ago
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@portlanddem I have a friend in Washington state who is in a very bad way right now because he did not have medical insurance for a long time and so couldn't go for treatment. He finally has insurance but now his condition seems quite degraded. :( Makes me feel guilty because I can go and see a doctor any time I wish to at no charge but avoid going. My friend on the other hand did not have that choice and is suffering because of it. :(
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lanied55 6 months ago
I dont think these guys are payed actors since it would be illegal (it would fall under false advertisement etc)(there are other laws but I don't feel like writing 300 words...) but what I do think is that, I only saw If I recall, 3 different people interviewed?, I'll bet you anything they asked 50, 100 maybe ven hundreds of people. So just like every other commercial and such they always take the answers that would help them out the most
lanied55 6 months ago
@portlanddem: Ditto. We Canadians sometimes wait for our turn, but hey I don't have to file for bankruptcy if I have a major surgery... :) Is this failing?!
Also Remember: My work PAYS for my medial... do your corporate leaders care to pay that for you? You (US) have a corporate problem... a capitalist problem.... Good luck solving it.
hose11 6 months ago
Amazing that they were able to find the 10 people in Canada that don't like the Universal Health Care provided out of the 36,000,000 that do like it.
waynewin 10 months ago 2
@waynewin Yep, and out of 300 million folks in the US here, when you throw in the 50+ million who are uninsured, and lets give just a 5% conservative estimate of those who don't like what they have and want a universal or even single-payer health care plan, there are about a total of roughly 60-65 million who do not like the current health insurance they're dealing with here in the US. Our health care is a joke, and though "Obamacare" isn't anywhere near Canada's insurance, I say bring it on....
portlanddem 10 months ago
ww.ontariodoctordirectory.ca/top-rated/Windsor list of all doctors in Windsor. More than half of them are accepting new patients
FuckThatShitBitch100 10 months ago
These are all payed American actors
FuckThatShitBitch100 10 months ago 2
44000 people in Windsor dont have a family doctor because they dont need one. There are lots of clinics you can go to any time. As people get older they start needing a family doctor but young people dont need one. What Canadians are going to the US??? I dont know one person who has ever gone to the US for treatment and i have a big family and lots of friends.
FuckThatShitBitch100 10 months ago 2
@FuckThatShitBitch100 Thank you for pointing this link out and yes, I wouldn't doubt these people are all paid actors, or as "waynein" correctly points out, the less than 1% of Canadians who hate their health care.
I made a public commitment when I said I am willing to trade *anyone* straight up--my home, job and insurance ( I have no insurance ) ---anyone, straight up for theirs in Canada, and I said this 4 yrs ago--I have YET to find any takers. None, and guess what, there's MORE like me!!
portlanddem 10 months ago
It saddens me to see how gullible our american brothers and sisters are to right wing myths and propaganda from lobbyists. Canada has among the highest quality health care in the g20 and over 86% of Canadians rate our system as good.
vistarox 11 months ago 5
@vistarox I would venture to say that the # of Canadians who like their health care would be over 90% ( even as a conservative estimate. )
Several types of illnesses or injuries means automatic bankruptcy for folks here in the US. I don't think anyone files bankruptcy over medical bills in Canada. Here in the US, medical bills are most of the bankruptcy filings...
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FIXWCBCANADA 11 months ago
Jeff's only treatment option in Saskatchewan was chemotherapy so the Lukyes turned to the Mayo Clinic. Specialists there told them his only option for survival was extremely radical surgery..The 30-year-old from Estevan has endured 55 hours of extreme surgery during the past month...Jeff consistently rated his pain an eight out of 10 prior to the surgeries..Now he ranks his pain at three or four..(DUH..HIS ONLY CHANCE FOR SURVIVAL) complicated cases in canada get no help.
WCBvictim 11 months ago
@WCBvictim THE SAME anecdotal bullshit that MEANS nothing you pathetic fuck. For every Jeff there are thousands upon thousands of Canadians saved EVERY year with their cancer treatment. You are a fuckin idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MadHabber93 11 months ago 3
@MadHabber93 well said, this video is nothing but insurance industry funded propaganda. If only Americans knew how much they get ripped off, they would be rioting in the streets right now.
TheMarksmenCat 3 months ago
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Fenwick’s report revealed that the patient “Christopher,” changed name, had gone to numerous doctors and specialists in Saskatchewan for getting treated his migraine headache, vision loss and low blood pressure but all went in vain. Then at Mayo clinic in US he was diagnosed with the brain tumour and was offered to get his surgery done within few days. He then went under surgery there as he had not been treated in his own country, Canada;;(NUMEROUS DOCTORS / SPECIALISTS; were they in denial?
FIXWCBCANADA 1 year ago
watch this video; A True Tale of Canadian Health Care: Why some patients need to go to the U.S. for surgery
FIXWCBCANADA 1 year ago
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@FIXWCBCANADA ...,In December 2010, 41-year-old Marlene Stephens died after waiting an hour and a half at the William Osler Health Centre emergency room in Toronto. According to family members, she was experiencing respiratory problems, and crying out that she couldn't breathe, but was ignored. (but i guess you psychopaths think it's okay)...UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IS CANADA'S BIGGEST LIE;
WCBvictim 11 months ago
@WCBvictim meanwhile, there are dozens of Marlene Stephens in US waiting rooms every day, LOL.
TheMarksmenCat 3 months ago
what a load of tripe. an american who knows nothing of canadians. under the canadian system I have had three angioplasties, 3 years of dialysis, a double organ transplant, after enduring 41 years of type 1 diabetes I have nothing but praise. as one who also designs medical facilities as an architect specializing in health care I can speak with authority. the canadians system is great.
UpstairsMaid 1 year ago
@UpstairsMaid I lived in Canada for 4 years and can testify that the wait times are indeed beyond acceptable by anyone's measure! My many Canadian friends and relatives all agree with my previous statement. You are obviously lying and based on your stated profile age of 25 verses your 41 years of diabetes you are a chronic lair! If Canadian health care is so good then why do they come here for treatment while virtually no Americans go their?
dsmith6289 1 year ago
@dsmith6289 well when you have no means to refute someone's statements a boor attacks the person rather than debate the message. as of now you are blocked and I will summarily delete sll further comments from you without reading them. I am a walking medical miracle who has suffered greatly yet done it all with grace. and the hope that canada has given me.without the canadian medical system I would have died long ago.
UpstairsMaid 1 year ago
@UpstairsMaid I meant no offense to you but your profile age shows 25 so how could you have suffered an illness for 41 years? I assure you as a person who has lived in both countries your suffering would have most likely been less in the USA. I however will pray for your medical miracles to continue for many years to come.
dsmith6289 1 year ago
@dsmith6289 I decided to watch this video again, and came across your posts. I would never give my age or any other factual personal data on the internet that could lead to identity theft. I design hospitals for a living. I will never go to the us, ever. Your insurance companies have a little clause called pre-existing condition. as diabetes is known to cause renal failure and heart disease I would not be covered by american insurance. as I said - I would be dead already if I lived in the usa.
UpstairsMaid 4 months ago
@UpstairsMaid Thanks for the advice but that was my approximate age intentionally off as are any other details I give close but not accurate for obvious reasons. No one is ever denied emergency service they will be sued later but you will not go untreated. I am quite familiar with Hospitals in Ontario and Quebec as I lived there for years and also visited there many times along with Canadian friends and relatives that still live there.
dsmith6289 4 months ago
@UpstairsMaid While the American system is not perfect it is the finest in the world. The Capitalist model always brings out the best quality unfortunately there is always the issue with funding for the poorest amongst us. I am confident that once the Conservatives get in power and through out the unsustainable Socialist modeled Obamacare it will be replace with the best possible Conservative/Socialist compromise possible. Thanks for the civil discussion as i rarely get that from Libs.
dsmith6289 4 months ago
What is wait list insurance? Just another thing that has been spun? Canadians don't wait years for surgery although Americans do wait that long and even longer. In fact, some Americans never live to see surgery. There are far more Americans travelling out to get surgery than there are going to the US for surgery. People don't enter lotteries to get a doctor, they enter to get a regular family doctor. They can get a doctor any time tey like. Americans enter a lottery to get health care.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
This Is BULLSHIT Maybe it is a bit slow but at least we have a health system. The US DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. Like I said, this is a piece of FUCKING BULLSHIT.
hinglopl 1 year ago
@hinglopl ,,,WOW another ignorant and oblivous CANUCK. pay attention dummy, some day you'll be exactly were many canadians are at; DENIED UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE; even the head of the canadian medical assoc, is calling for change look it up, due some research before you spew your venomous lies;
WCBvictim 11 months ago
@WCBvictim Fuck off asshole
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hinglopl 1 year ago
The Canadian system is just one giant health insurance plan that covers everyone. So I don't see how a doctor shortage is related to national health insurance. As I understand, in 1992 they felt they had too many doctors so to save money provincial governments reduced the number of spots at medical schools. They are also very slow at extending accreditation to foreign doctors. So their problems are significant, but exist outside of their universal system of coverage for all its citizens.
juxtn 1 year ago
@juxtn Well said. Another thing is in Canada, everyone is covered under the *SAME* health care plan---it isn't like here in the states where your neighbor might have better health coverage than you have, or they have less of a co-pay than you have to pay, etc. It is all about financial status for health care in the US, plain and simple. If you don't have the $ to pay for all your services you need done, the medical facilities don't give a shit about you--there are *very rare* exceptions to this
portlanddem 1 year ago
What else does a Govt do well for it to run your healthcare? Why do people have this blind faith in an organization such as the Govt?
dnganga 1 year ago
@dnganga Are you serious? It sounds like all you're doing is repeating right-wing talking points. I am sure I can name a lot more things the gov't does * right * than you can naming things they do wrong.
portlanddem 1 year ago
In short, the system doesn't work.Hospital ships could be an alternative.
xxwzaebd 1 year ago
The Canada Healthcare system is a disgrace.
It is horrific that you have to wait for surgerys, in this rich country.
I had to go to the United States to get diagnosed with blood cancer.
The Canadian doctors were unable to find the problem.
It is no wonder the elite refuse to have surgery in Canada.
We are a nothing but a number to the Government.
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fightingforjustice10 1 year ago
I've been waiting 6 months to just get an appointement with a specialist. Havent heard from them yet, called them twice they say try again in another couple months. Have a medical problem I'd rather have fixed- piss myself everytime I cough/sneeze/bend over. Try living in fucking diapers at the age of 34. Like I want to wait, I want treatment!!
piglatin2 1 year ago
I am from Canada and have lived here for over 50 years including a hip transplant. I have had great health care, never been told what doctor to see and never had to worry about losing my house if I get sick. I guess I am one of the lucky ones. Oh wait Tommy Douglas voted by Canadians as the greatest Canadian ever (he brought Universal Health Care to Canada) and the vast majority of Canadians when surveyed are satisified with out system.
AboveBelowBetween 1 year ago 3
I waited 3 weeks for an fucking EMG test. I've waiting nearly 6 hours with a fucking fish hook in my god damn head in an AMERICAN ER.
Also had to wait nearly 2 months to see a neurologist to talk about the EMG results.
Waiting times aren't just some magical thing that only affects UHC.
mecher3k 1 year ago
To break it down to you all who don't understand Canada's health care plan let me break it down for you: The worse off you are the higher up you are on the list in ER or surgery. They have a shortage of SPECIALISTS in Canada just like we do in the US. Now it's a bit crazy, I'm in the middle of moving up there and I found out I have to get a referal for an OBGYN, but my PCP could deliver my baby for me. Plus Canadian moms get 50 weeks maternity leave that's 44 more than US moms. But every1 has HC
Cerridwen247 1 year ago
@Cerridwen247 i'd still trade...i'm from new york and i know how both systems run...now for the last time i don't think americas system is perefect! far from it...but i'd take it over canadian health care...but overall both are world class systems! if you're a bum with no who can't get a job canada is the place to go...but if you has half a brain and goals america is better
dirksilver 1 year ago
Wow....just found out....the maker of this film lives in the good ole USA!! Must work for an insurance company or a pharmaceutical company.
teka2u 1 year ago
@teka2u
It seems the Mackinac Center is a free market think tank, so yep they work for the corps that have no problem screwing us all over to make a buck.
mecher3k 1 year ago
@mecher3k go to cuba then
dirksilver 1 year ago
@dirksilver
"go to cuba then"
Why would I when one, I have BMC Masshealth, and two I could go to Canada?
But retards like you can't think much.
mecher3k 1 year ago 2
This video is total BS. I know people in Canada--in a city as well as small towns and it is NOTHING like the people in this right-wing propaganda video portray it out to be!
portlanddem 1 year ago 2
@portlanddem except for the one guy who lives in canada who says there are real problems here
dirksilver 1 year ago
@dirksilver True, but I'll tell you what. Tell that one guy in Canada--any guy--who is dissatisfied with his insurance up there, that I will glady trade him w/ what I have here. I don't have any vision or dental insurance either, but that's ok, just the health insurance, and I'm sure there are 50 million+ other Americans ( just that are uninsured--not including the ones who are under-insured or just fed up w/ their insurance ) that would change spots too.
portlanddem 1 year ago
@portlanddem i'd trade with you...and you just saif that you don't have dental or vision? canadian health care doesn;t cover vision or dental!!!!!!! you have to have supplementary insurance through your job! canada wouldn't fix your problem man!
also there are soooo many people who choose "things" over health care insurance and responsibility and i think your number would go way down if that was taken into acount...oh and 23 million will still be uninsured after obamacare fully comes through
dirksilver 1 year ago
@dirksilver You'd trade with me huh? I hope you don't have a family or plan on having a family because if your spouse or kids get hurt or sick, and you are laid off still from a job, guess what? you still owe for that several thousand $ bill, and it won't matter if you waited 4 hrs or 6 hrs in an ER to come out w/ a bill that high.
The US health care is better *if you can afford it*. Unless you have a trust fund or you're well-off financially, you better stay up there, because you'll age.
portlanddem 1 year ago 2
@dirksilver Hope you're preggers. That's the only thing that'll speed up the process in NY where I live. I know about vision and dental from my inlaws (all Canucks) but I'm a health care worker so I get a govt plan. I also know that it won't take the same amount of time that it takes down here to get covered.
Also, what about caps? My GRANDPARENTS have a 1K cap and they have to spend another 1k before their insurance will cover their meds again. Still want to trade?
Cerridwen247 1 year ago
@portlanddem
and just because i was really thinking about if i wanted you to know i think this who issue is over hyped...canadian healthcare is good but so is american health care...the truth of the whole argument is some where in the middle...there are good aspects of both...i just would prefer a free market approach
dirksilver 1 year ago
@dirksilver Don't have any problem w/ free market approach to business, but still goes w/o saying: healthcare should *NEVER* be a "for profit" business. I agree we have the best health care in the world, but *only* for those who can afford it. It is ill-minded and sick to not care for those who are sick or injured and just let them suffer or die because they don't have the funds themselves.
We're all in it together.
portlanddem 1 year ago 6
@portlanddem this is a good vid and the kind of thing i wouyld like to see happen in the states
paul ryan:it's not too late to reclaim the american idea
paste that in the search engine and watch
dirksilver 1 year ago
@portlanddem Procedures in countries that have socialized medicine are not "cheaper" they are subsidized by their tax payers & usually a of a lower quality. Thats why the Canadian prime minister came to the U.S. & paid more for his heart procedure because he wanted the best not the cheapest. Plus, many of those "procedures" were developed in the capitalist U.S. healthcare system (90% of new breakthrus are U.S. Yes greed & $ motivate it) once that motivation stops we stall our progress.
javari 1 year ago
@javari ORRRR you find proper motivation like simply fucking helping. holy shit don't justify greed and bullshit. fix it.
applejuiced 1 year ago
@applejuiced Ya helping my self stay healthy and being responsible for my own healthcare decisions in life. If everyone did that no one would need to juice others for tax money to fix the decisions in life that resulted in their health care predicament. If everyone fixed their own shit they wouldn't need others to fix it for them.
javari 1 year ago
@javari I agree, staying healthy is individual responsibility; regardless of which country one lives in, but what if you were to get something like cancer? Did you know that is where most private health insurance co. here in the US drop people?!? You know how much cancer treatment costs? Try 7 figures over a lifetime. If you aren't making that kind of $, who is going to pay for your services? There are things out of your control and for most people, this turns into bankruptcy. Our HC is flawed
portlanddem 1 year ago
@portlanddem I know. My wife works for the #1 Cancer center in the world "MD Anderson". The majority of cancers are a result of lifestyle decisions = Personal & individual choices. Those Cancers & ailments not the fault of the ind. still fall under the category of "no one can't guarantee crap wont happen or that you will have a safe life". Its nature; get insurance or let mother nature take its course. If our HC is flawed now then it has been flawed since the dawn of time cuz "Crap Happens"
javari 1 year ago
@javari Yep, I totally agree with that.
portlanddem 1 year ago
@dirksilver i'd trade with you...and you just saif that you don't have dental or vision? canadian health care doesn;t cover vision or dental!!!!!!! you have to have supplementary insurance through your job! canada wouldn't fix your problem man!
also there are soooo many people who choose "things" over health care insurance and responsibility and i think your number would go way down if that was taken into acount...oh and 23 million will still be uninsured after obamacare fully comes through
dirksilver 1 year ago
@dirksilver I think you meant to reply to me here so I'm just catching it.
Of course I know you guys don't cover dental or vision--that is why I meant I'm fine with that. Just gimme the health coverage and I'll be thrilled with that!
Yes, & "Obamacare" won't cover those 23 million and you know why? because the loophole in the bill will not cover independent contractors. Most employers have been resorting to that ( or temp services ) just to not pay benefits here, so that will increase in 3 yrs
portlanddem 1 year ago
@portlanddem i think you're being silly when you say that some many people believe it's actually called obamacare...that just happens to be the common vernacular maing it understandable for people to say it
dirksilver 1 year ago
@dirksilver No, I'm not kidding. People *actually* think that is the name of the bill.
They *actually* think that they'll lose their insurance all together, Obama ( or whoever is president ) will send them a blue pill in the mail when they reach 55 y/o to end their life early--crazy shit! I know it sounds stupid, but you listen to the news some of the batshit crazy folks they interview--especially the Tea party folks, OMG!
This is why the world says "Americans are an utter joke!"
portlanddem 1 year ago
@portlanddem Actually YES America used to do physical exams for immigrants at the turn of the century but do not do it now. That is part of a bigger immigration problem we and actually Canada has too. The Bankrupting kind of medical bills are catastrophic stuff and is actually cheap to get insurance for since the deductible is so high. But regardless I dont care. If someone gets their house burned down or cancer it sucks but its not everyone else s responsibility they didn't have insurance.
javari 1 year ago
@javari That's true--we are in agreement there. But, I also don't care if some CEO is crying and wimpering about how being regulated following laws and such is going to hurt their business. I'm not for welfare states either--whether it be the taxpayers or corporations. Corporate welfare is MUCH more expensive and just as much a waste of $ as "socialized" welfare is.
portlanddem 1 year ago 3
this is total bs
SPARTANDUDE123 1 year ago 2
I'm an American w/o healthcare. I'd rather have some damn health care. The problem they have in Canada is that they don't have enough specialists. They have the other shortages that everyone else has. News flash, we don't have regular Dr's in the States either. My daughter just went for a check up and she sees a Nurse practitioner not a Dr. 80% of Canadians don't want our health care, but if you 20% want to trade with some of us
Cerridwen247 1 year ago
@Cerridwen247 actually, I'm sure that it would be even higher than 80% of Canadians wouldn't want our health care. Most Canadians won't even come to visit in the states unless they purchase a "travel health insurance" that protects them just in case of an unforeseen accident or illness. I'd be willing to bet it's closer to 90% or higher who would not want to trade insurance options with the US.
portlanddem 1 year ago
@portlanddem Yeah it may be closer to 90%. From what my fiancè says most of the disgruntled Canadians are the rich ones who don't think they should have to wait in lines like everyone else because that's just how it is in Can. B/c when my pregnant self comes in the ED in labour you'd better believe I'm getting seen before that millionare with the sliver in his pinky. Also I've heard about the travel health insurance, but from what I understand provincial is excepted in the US, but just temp.
Cerridwen247 1 year ago
@Cerridwen247 Yes, that is correct. What is odd is that the travel insurance that Canadians can get in Canada to visit the states is MUCH easier to obtain than it is for us to get the same thing that would be valid if something went wrong in Canada on a visit up there.
Must be all that "socialized" and "communistic" health care you guys have that makes things easier for folks who travel between the two countries ;-)
portlanddem 1 year ago
@portlanddem I can't find your other comment, but I'm marrying a Canadian citizen so hopefully Parliment wouldn't make it too hard for me.
Cerridwen247 1 year ago
@Cerridwen247 Yep, correct. I had actually just sent you a youtube email a few min ago.
If you're marrying a Canadian citizen, it will make it much easier to reach the "point" system that Canada has up there, but yes, I sent you a youtube email with some questions and such in it :-)
portlanddem 1 year ago
@portlanddem Yeah I got that. Well if you have a skilled job where you have a lot of experiance or can get someone to get you a work visa, maybe that would work?
Cerridwen247 1 year ago
@Cerridwen247 Yep, the skilled job I looked into as well. I know someone else that lives in BC and he said teachers is one skill that is really high in demand up there now.
portlanddem 1 year ago
This vid. BS right-wing propaganda.
dave19941000 1 year ago
Don't blame the doctors...its not their fault!
safarsafar1234 1 year ago
I'm sorry but you wait to see the doctor in America too. It takes me a month to see the dentist...a week to two weeks to see the doctor...long wait in the ER and I even have insurance that forces me to go to a SPECIFIC ER...in an EMERGENCY or I pay completely out of pocket and yes, it is healthcare through my employer and I had NO choice on which insurance I got.
samala5793 1 year ago 6
@samala5793 Yep, I had a hernia surgery done in March 2010. I had seen the doctor before so I didn't need to see another referral they commonly send you to, but took me 2 1/2 weeks to see the doctor again & another FULL month for the surgery to be scheduled ( and this was a hernia in my chest ) and I live in a very large US city. 8 hrs total in hospital= $22,000 bill w/ no insurance.
We've been getting fed FAR TOO MUCH BULLSHIT FOR FAR, FAR TOO LONG when it comes to Canadian healthcare!!
portlanddem 1 year ago
Sarah Palin would not agree with this video. lol
America Fail.
liam2317 1 year ago
Americans are so freaking stupid is not funny . Have fun paying for a 80,000$ hospital bill .
jordler 1 year ago 2
@jordler I obtained a 6K hospital bill being in 1 a few weeks ago, right now all my bills are on hold since I'm preggers w/o health care and have to meet w/ medicare. However my fiancè's a Canadian and I'm working on being able to move. I can NOT wait for my 50 week Maternity leave. Even the 1st 15 weeks pwns the 6 we get here.
Cerridwen247 1 year ago
@Cerridwen247 You're smart to move up there now. The health care reform bill here in the states will not end up being implemented,and come 2014 when it is due to be implemented, there will be THOUSANDS trying to flee up there to get cheaper health care ( because you know LOTS of other employers by then will drop coverage for their employees--or retain them as independent contractors ( a loophole in the bill ) only and Canadian Parliament will make it even tougher to move up there I'm sure...
portlanddem 1 year ago
for anyone with diabetes. thank Canada.
Ive never gone to the USA for healthcare. Id rather wait in line, than fork out $200 for a checkup.
heather27774 1 year ago 14
@heather27774 you already paid a lot more than 200$ in your tax for those services. So you paid more AND you wait in line. I think we are not winner about that in canada.
patapoufapouf 1 year ago
@heather27774 actually, many places here in the states, you'll pay a LOT more than $200 USD for a check-up, because the doctor would want to run tests, and more tests, and more tests, and by the time you get out of there, you're looking at a $500-1000 bill, easily!
portlanddem 1 year ago
The people in this video were obviously carefully selected so the most one-sided viewpoint could be presented. Forget logic and hard numbers, anecdotal whining is apparently definitive proof that the Canadian system sucks.
gbambino 1 year ago
Lets cut to the chase and end the debate.
#1. Canadians outlive Americans by SEVERAL years and have much lower infant mortality rates. It´s always been this way since for-profit medical care was replaced with socialized medical care.
#2. Even Sarah Palin sneaks into Canada for treatment as revealed 2 days ago.
#3. We have no CAPS, we have at times line ups BUT we don´t endanger lives and that proof is in the pudding....again, we outlive Americans and always will.
ASK SARAH!
Rata4You 1 year ago 4
That's not because of your health care system. It's because many more Americans are lazy and obese, living off garbage fast food and not taking care of their bodies.
Pendragon1717 1 year ago
I honestly don't understand why Americans are so threatened by the concept of providing healthcare to every citizen free of charge. Canadian here, used the system all my life, including through 2 serious illnesses and I would be afraid to be in the States and be ill. I have friends there who tell me they can't go see the doctor because they can't afford it... very scary in my opinion.
silkentresses 1 year ago
@silkentresses Yep, and there are over 50 million folks here in the US and counting now who are without health insurance....
Problem is most American's say they are for "watching out their neighbor" and coming together when things aren't going well in the country. BS. They only care about themselves, and if it cost them $10 or even $20 more per month in their insurance so everyone in the country would be covered, they'd rather say screw it and keep what they have. That is a totally true story!
portlanddem 1 year ago
because Canada's system is really so much worse than the US's.. I've never had trouble with it haha
Petethebatman 1 year ago
The fuck is this?
I spent 24 years of my life in Canada and never once did I have any problems with the healthcare. That included when I broke my arm and when my friend's wife had a child.
This is some propaganda bullshit... one star
shadowmare97 2 years ago 3
The only people in Canada who want an American style system are people who stand to make money from a private system. As far as doctor and nurse shortages go, every country in the world has the same problem.
Johnbizzen 2 years ago 16
canada has 2.4 doctors per 1000 people america has 2.5 . America does not have way more doctors like they make it out to be .
jordler 1 year ago 2
@jordler Yep, it's just more bullshit our right-wing media propaganda loves to feed us.
portlanddem 1 year ago
@Johnbizzen Well if they have a shortage in every country... Why are they getting treated faster in the US? But your wrong... A lot of Canadians don't like the health care system... Like the Premier of Newfoundland.
davidmesaaz 1 year ago
@davidmesaaz 97% of Canadians think that Canadian health care is great & we REFUSE to change to an inferior American style one. Newsflash: There are no lotteries for anything medical in Canada, & there is no waiting for anything remotely serious. Yes, if you have surgery for an ingrown toenail, you might wait a couple of weeks. This video is garbage & the negative issues it pretends occur in Canada are false & American propaganda. We REFUSE to change to American style heathcare.
murphyj87 1 year ago
@davidmesaaz Danny Williams having surgery in Florida had nothing to do with the access or quality of healthcare in Canada. Danny Williams had his surgery in FEBRUARY, & it's impossible to golf in Canada in February. He had surgery in Florida because he OWNS A CONDOMINIUM in Florida & belongs to a GOLF CLUB there, so he had his surgery in Florida because he could stay at his condo and play GOLF during his recuperation. Danny Williams would have had surgery in Canada is it weren't for GOLF.
murphyj87 1 year ago
@davidmesaaz Well, I'll tell you what. Get ahold of the Premier of Newfoundland and tell them that 50 other million Americans ( besides myself ) will GLADLY trade spots in regards to health care. Name the time and place.
portlanddem 1 year ago
@portlanddem So your saying that when Obamacare is implemented people will got to Canada for cheaper care? What your implying is that Obamacare won't work it will be a colossal failure and people will be running to Canada for cheaper care. I would agree with that. The problem with heatlh care is not too little government restrictions but too much.
davidmesaaz 1 year ago
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves for posting this video. Like the US system is perfect and takes care of everyone! I'm not familiar with Canada, but it seems like they try. And if Canada is not the way to go, look at other places, like Spain. We have an excellent health care system which is run by the government and free of charge... even for American tourists should they need to use it! And if you WANT to pay more for private insurance, we have that too. It's your money after all.
dparcerisas 2 years ago 2
I'm in B,C. and my doctor retired, now I'm between doctors. I'm screwed.
scryerofold 2 years ago
@scryerofold Talk about being screwed. Wanna trade spots when it comes to health care coverage? I'll look for a doctor in BC and you can have my no-insurance policy I have here in the states.
portlanddem 1 year ago
@scryerofold Where in BC? I have the numbers of a few drs in Kelowna
Cerridwen247 1 year ago
As a Canadian this video is kind of a joke. I've never gone to the US for healthcare, thanks. Sorry...
XFuncCaRteR 2 years ago 3
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Should the Canadians be hosting the olympics if they can't provide safe facilities as seen with the death of the Georgian luger? Canada is like a third-world nation. Have you driven on their roads?
robertjohnson487 2 years ago
on human development statistics of 2009 canada is actually 9 places before the US..
zuppzup 2 years ago
...but looking at the life expectancy data, you´d realize how meaningful those 9 places are. We outlive Americans by many many years. Our infant mortality rate is far better. I don´t want to sell them on socialized medicine but I simply despise profiteers of medical care who place profit before life while they off load the sick and dying to the taxpayer while cherry picking the healthy. Where´s the fairness?
Rata4You 1 year ago 3
Just remember that the Americans are just across the river.
TomJackson986 2 years ago
Not sure I live in Canada and never had a problem with our healtcare system
ivanhalfpint 2 years ago
We no longer have the power to vote for or against proposed laws. A full police-state is on its way, a new by-law in BC will dictate that police have the right to infiltrate and confiscate property as seen fit, and law charges for those who place anti-Olympics signs in their windows. The freedom of speech mandate was reviewed and modified in 2008 to limit public opinion and free expression. Soon the public will be disarmed and only a corrupt government and criminals will have the power..
Maxzoe20 2 years ago
agreed. to bad thier taking away freedom's lest we forget and how quickly people do. but I tell you this if they take little freedoms such as thou's away the freedom to say and think whatever you want and to express what you beleivie in on your OWN property well thats fighting words and if they don't listen well my friend all fight for them. sad isn't it, I never thought I'd have to fight another canadian in my life but maybe there not IF YOU THROW AWAY FREEDOM YOUR NOT A PERSON NOT CANADIAN
mrsuperterd 2 years ago
Part 3
often you are put on a list for an oncologist... and those spots mostly come from someone else dying. Again, not every Hospital treats cancer, most patients have to travel hundreds of miles for treatments. Many cancer treatments in Canada are listed as 'elective surgery', again, people in the USA are not equipped to wait for either a doctor or a cancer treatment, and rightfully so.
yoopergal13 2 years ago
Part 2
Canada imposes a limit on how many patients a doctor may have 1 too many and the doctor is fined big time. It took me months to find a family doctor who had room for me... but didn't have room for my two children. Also, Canada does NOT duplicate service, example, CAT scans are not in every hospital or town. When a patient is RX'd with cancer there is no 'get you treatment right now' instead,
yoopergal13 2 years ago
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I was lucky enough to be able to live 3 years in Germany and Canada. And I will say, most medical staff, in both countries are wonderful, caring people. German medicine is about 10-15 years behind USA in medical treatments. They give new born babies 'a bottle of tea' for their first meal, all flowers and plants must be removed from your hospital room at night so the patient can get clean air while sleeping, their emergency rooms are packed with patients always.
yoopergal13 2 years ago
Part 1
I was lucky enough to be able to live 3 years in Germany and Canada. And I will say, most medical staff, in both countries are wonderful, caring people. But the truth is German medicine is about 10-15 years behind USA in medical treatments. They give new born babies 'a bottle of tea' for their first meal, all flowers and plants must be removed from your hospital room at night so the patient can get clean air while sleeping, their emergency rooms are packed always.
yoopergal13 2 years ago
From what I understand;
while doctor office/ outpatient care is more entrepreneurial. Hospitals are not free market, they are run by the provinces so Canada has more than just a government provided insurance program as it is simply described.
Canada should allow some hospitals to go private & form networks. Additionally Canada needs to be more competitive with the US by attracting doctors with incentives, including better compensation. Otherwise the patient-to-doctor ratio will stay low.
juxtn 2 years ago
What a load of crap. Totally false acusations.
Fourmiler 2 years ago
And, yes, I was born and raised in America. Doesn't mean I have to like it; does it? Nope. So, all of you flag worshipers can kiss my non-patriotic butt. -slaps it-
Wyndolyn 2 years ago
Leave then jackass. If you are so unhappy with the health care system in the U.S. then gladly GTFO.
CarltonBanks100 2 years ago
Don't worry, Carlton. I'm working on it. Enjoy the USA, you egg-sucking moron. :)
Wyndolyn 2 years ago
@CarltonBanks100
Hey, Carlton... Looks like your Republican friends took it up the ass, this time around. :) We may not be fully socialized as far as healthcare is concnered, yet, but we're closer. So, how about you GTFO? Turdsniffing conservative failcake.
Wyndolyn 1 year ago
@Wyndolyn
I'm a Libertarian, I have no allegiance to the Republican party, or any party for that matter you twit. I vote based on which candidate I believe is A. More Qualified and B. Who represents viewpoints in the best interest of my country, not myself, unlike yourself. Oh, and I'm not going anywhere. Not a pussy-ass liberal. I don't cut and run with my tail between my legs like a little bitch. See you when the revolution begins. ; )
CarltonBanks100 1 year ago
Frankly, let me say this: At least Canadians ALWAYS have an option for treatment available to them, even if it means having to wait for it. Not all Americans can claim the same. Some suffer for months on end with no light at the end of the tunnel, in America. Some people are forced to rely on emergency services, for which they are raped, financially. If they could pay for it, I'm sure they'd have done so happily instead of being slapped with huge debts they have no hope of paying. Boo USA.
Wyndolyn 2 years ago
Solialized INSURANCE which is what our system really is works. I broke a clavical and spent 2 hours in emerge to get it looked at, but this was 2 in the morning and I live in a rural area anyway so my wait wasn't that bad. Plus two guys came in after me but need more urgent care. Im fine with that, Saw a specialist 1 week later and I was set. What did it cost me? $12 for a sling. Let's compare that to any emergency room visit in the US. I dare you!
buttercrust24 2 years ago
@buttercrust24 Yep, the cost of your procedure here in the US? Try about $600-1000 in an E.R. or wait a week or so to see a family physician and pay about $200-400.
portlanddem 1 year ago
@portlanddem to quote a terrible movie this summer
"I love it when a plan comes together!" Not that it matters because now the issue is terrorist babies, LOLZ!. So back to yours and my point:
Canada= Broken clavical and emerg visit and specialist visit= $12
USA= "same stuff'= (minimal) $600-$1000 or $200-$400
Using a Visa for everyday needs= Priceless!
buttercrust24 1 year ago 2
@buttercrust24 Almost! Actually that Canadian procedure would cost minimal $1500-2000 in an ER here in the states. That would be minimal amount it would cost just because of the xrays that would have to be done.
An injury or serious illness in Canada? Less than $100 TOTAL in an ER
An injury or serious illness in the US? At least $1000 on up
The result: NO medical bankruptcies in Canada. THOUSANDS per year every year here in the US.
portlanddem 1 year ago
I have watched a catalog about Canada. But it seems it was not true to say Canada health care was good.
trucanh456 2 years ago
It is twice as good as what I had in the US for a third of the cost for sure. US insurance run health care is worst in the industrialized world.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Health care cost in Canada 10% GDP
Private health care in China 5% GDP
Looks like goverment run health care cost more.
simontimon2 2 years ago
Canada has physician-run health carem nit government-run health care. Insurance-run health care in the US uses 17.5% of GDP
murphyj87 2 years ago
US goverment run health care 17.5% GDP
China's private run health care 5% GDP
Health care in the US is so expensive because of govermet run medicare and medicade.
China is the only county that has true private run health care
simontimon2 2 years ago
That's true. Medicare and Medicade are huge factors in the the cost of healthcare in the US. A family member of mine works in a not for profit community hospital, and they rely on private insurance to compensate for what little they get from the gov't. In other words, private insurance pays more *because* of gov't. The operators there know that the hospital would go bankrupt if they had to rely solely on what the gov't pays out.
therealitychecklist 2 years ago
@simontimon2 Don't forget about the millions of folks each year, who use the E.R. for something like a common cold, while all of us pay for it ( even folks such as myself w/ no health insurance ) which REALLY drives up the costs! The hospital and doctors have to get paid somehow.
portlanddem 1 year ago
Well the reason is that there are government regulations that force hospitals to treat these people.
simontimon2 1 year ago
@simontimon2 Yep, the hospitals here in the states have to treat you too, but if someone doesn't have the $ to pay it, the taxpayers ( including those w/o health insurance themselves ) foot the bill.
portlanddem 1 year ago
So
When I go to the dentist I pay for it.
simontimon2 1 year ago
@simontimon2 and when I go see a doctor, dentist or optician, I'm going to pay for it too, but guess what, I am ALSO paying for everyone else to use a doctors services who can't afford it, and I don't even have health insurance myself!
Plus, you will *NEVER* have a million $ dentist bill, but million $ hospital bills are quite common. Get cancer or have open heart surgery and look what the cost is then.
portlanddem 1 year ago 2
You do know that you can go to a private hospital in India that can do practicly any surgery for a tenth of the price.
Promoting compition by looking for the best price is what keep prices down.
simontimon2 1 year ago
@simontimon2 Yes, I am well aware that it is very cheap to have surgery in India. Problem is getting there from the US & the expenses that come not only in travelling there, but once your there.
Regulating the industry is what would keep the prices down. I think we've got a pretty good look at what deregulating industries here in the states has done the last half a dozen year; especially when it comes to the economy.
portlanddem 1 year ago
If regulation in an industry is what makes it cheaper.
That doesn't make sence?
Health care in the US is all ready most heavly regulated industry. Yet prices keep on going up.
Yet the electronic industry is one of the least regulated industry. Yet the price keeps going down.
simontimon2 1 year ago
@simontimon2 Talk about not making sense!
You've heard of the FCC haven't you? ( a gov't entity that regulates the electronic industry )
Remember the summer of '08--the gas prices? The oil industry is one of the least regulated services in the country and that summer was a good example of what happens when something isn't regulated.
No, health care is not regulated in the US. If it were, than insurance co's couldn't run amok with fees.
Free trade was deregulated, look what happened to jobs.
portlanddem 1 year ago 3
I said the electronic industry is one of the least regulated industries. I didn't say that there weren’t any regulation. I said that there was a significantly less regulations then in the health care industry.
simontimon2 1 year ago
I said the electronic industry is one of the least regulated industries. I didn't say that there weren’t any regulation. I said that there was a significantly less regulations then in the health care industry.(stupid liberal)
simontimon2 1 year ago
@portlanddem More jobs where created due to free trade then where lost. (Stupid liberal)
The oil industry is still not regulated yet the price of oil is down. (Stupid liberal)
simontimon2 1 year ago
@simontimon2 or rather works with the FCC to keep it regulated within communications ( telephone, the internet, etc )
How would you feel about paying a few hundred $ per month to use the internet, because, gosh, someone needs to profit off of it?
portlanddem 1 year ago 6
But there are no regulation that prevent companies from charging those prices. It's a thing call compatition that keeps those prices down. (Stupid liberal)
simontimon2 1 year ago
@portlanddem next time find somewone dumber then me to debate, maybe then you could win your arguments.
simontimon2 1 year ago
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1 week ago
@portlanddem next time find somewone dumber then me to debate, maybe then you could win your arguments.
Thats easy!!! Anyone that follows Fox News
teka2u 1 year ago
@portlanddem
waynewin 10 months ago
@waynewin Did you mean to send a response to me?
portlanddem 10 months ago
In China, life is cheap, so I wouldn't use them as a yardstick. For example, their record in mining accidents is atrocious - hundreds of Chinese coal miners die every year.
XFuncCaRteR 2 years ago
So millions in Aficans die from Aids every year.
simontimon2 1 year ago