The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring CR - 08. A Conspiracy Unmasked

[kerplaww]

Hobbits really are amazing creatures! You can learn all that there is to know about their ways in a month, and yet after a hundred years, they can still surprise you.

[finstrike7]

@kerplaww True. Too bad that in Middle-Earth hobbits either almost cause great woe or are charged/take up the charge of vanquishing that woe (i.e. Sauron).

[Pandolin11]

@finstrike7 If you look at it traditionally, Tolkien probably took the role of Frodo and made him a hobbit based on his Uncle's endeavors. More or less, hobbits are obviously small, making them more stealthy and diverse. Tolkien probably took this and contributed to the role of Frodo being a hobbit. That is, after all, why Gandalf chose Biblo. To be a burglar. Anyhow, Gandalf did not press it on Frodo to take up the quest. In fact he showed some grief at first.

[finstrike7]

@Pandolin11 You are right, you are right indeed. That is true, yes. Bilbo was convinced by Gandalf to be a burglar, and Gandalf was grieving the fact that he had to press Frodo to undertake this task. But he came through in the end.

[Pandolin11]

@finstrike7 That's what I really enjoyed about the movie and books. Frodo, even after Gandalf's death, did his task. But it was never completed. After all, Frodo DID NOT destroy the Ring, it was Gollum. Frodo was trying to get the Ring back for himself when he and Gollum fell off. So it was never his desire to destroy it, but his ambition for it. That's why he went to Valinor with Gandalf and the Elf-lords and ladies. It was never saved in his heart because he knew it wasn't him that did it.

[finstrike7]

@Pandolin11 Indeed. What I meant was that he lived through it even though same saved him when they were in the Crack of Doom after Gollum fell down into the lava pit/flow. He wanted to take it back and almost dies that way himself, but it was his friend Sam that helped him come back to being normal. And yes, the 3 Elven rulers and Gandalf along with Bilbo and Frodo sailed to the West towards Valinor.

[piratespotterrings]

@Pandolin11 I never thought of it that way. But you're probably right.

[junkyjoe11]

@Pandolin11 as much as I can agree with you. Gollum did not destroy the ring either. frodo and Gollum fought and by fate or accident they both fell. frodo did get lucky and he got hold of the cliff. and to add on. you notice when Sam says "give me your hand!" and frodo gives Sam a look. I kinda figured that frodo knew that he almost screwed up in such a way that if him and Gollum fighting and falling never happened. it would have been truly over for middle earth. (read next comment)

[junkyjoe11]

@Pandolin11 (Continued) at that one moment where frodo gave Sam the look. I think he was trying to say he was going to (at first thought) let go and die. however of course he ended up not letting go because sam changed his mind to live and not just give up. but you do have good points.