BLMs are better Seed Thrall killers in my experience.
It sometimes takes a melee job a while to kill a Thrall, especially if they have no TP when the Thrall shows up...and by the time the melee has taken down the Thrall, the Seed Crystal might have already created more of them. Things get kinda hairy if you have too many Thralls running around.
A BLM, on the other hand, will one-shot the Thralls every time.
@Zyxxs Good point. The party I beat it with(see setup below lol), WAR fought the seeds, but we never had problems with too many clones. The WAR would actually use the thralls to build TP, then would wait until the boss used a skill, THEN would run in and WS and run back up. Nice little damage bonus to help speed up the fight a little. I think as long as you engage the clones immediately it shouldn't be much problem, unless you get unlucky and he spawns like 3 in a row, doesn't happen often.
0/2 with a monk tank. This is definitely a winnable strategy, as we easily got it to under 50% both times. Got it down to around 20% on one try.
The only problem is that monk has to continuously attack to keep hate, so they are susceptible to being charmed. If the monk gets charmed, it's pretty much over. Paladin is still a safer choice because they have the luxury of holding hate from a distance, makes the fight much more winnable.
Not that this isn't a winnable strategy, it's just a little more risky in my opinion. You just have to have a monk that is very aware, which unfortunately my groups weren't able to pull off.
There is no perfect setup for this fight though, all you need is a smart party, for whichever strategy you try.
The group I beat it with was PLD, WAR, RNG, BLU, BLM, WHM. 2 DDs (RNG and BLU in my case) is really all you need to win the fight.
Just wondering if you remember the exact setup for this fight? I still need to do this fight for my Royal Redingote for my RDM. And I'm on Shiva as well, Tarutaru RDM named Kaisamoht.
I'm just curious, would MNK be the only job able to do this? Or would SAM work too to tank? Furthermore, would that SAM have to sub WAR to voke or NIN to keep shadows up?
I'm pretty sure that's the way it works. When using the ranged method, you can have the PLD unequip his sword and have the rangers use fire staves. If you're using phalanx, they'll do zero damage with all but ranged attacks.
oh and that text is timers for your status effects. kinda useful for things like snk and invis. it also has count-down times for things like protect and shell
Terrible video! Staring at MIthra Rdm the hwole time is very lame you could have move to an above angle and moved rdm to a better angle spot!The only good thing was little text comment boxes!
This is an instructional video, not a Sundance Film submission. You'd think someone obsessed with aesthetics would proofread a comment before posting.
Pescatora or carbonara are good. He definitely has +HP gear, and probably some degree of defense. I don't think he has any protection against magic. MDB doesn't help at all for the normal attack, and I'm not sure nihility or judgement are magical either. The real thing keeping him alive is the huge MP battery between three healers.
I can't recommend this until people figure out how to run from charm though. The radius is small, but it's fairly fast, and the hate reset is very bad.
This isn't a big deal really. One of the other three dmg dealers can also go MNK and take over tanking the crystal if charm hits the first MNK. Since MNK #2 is standing out of aoe he can open with hundred fists.
It's not that simple really. DD #2 will be starting the fight with zero hate, whereas the healers will have accumulated a ton of cumulative enmity. Until the second DD can pull hate, your healers will repeatedly get drawn-in, and multiple people will get bombarded with AoEs. It gets ugly pretty quick, especially if both DD #2 and a healer get hit with judgement. It's not like he can run in, pop a 2-hour, and suddenly everyone is safe. Plus charm can happen multiple times, so it's unreliable.
ok, i see it, it actually uses it at least twice i see in the video from about 7:00 on. The mnk outruns it every time. That's the best info i have seen on it so far.
Finally some sense. I wait hours before I get an invite for this fight...and the only reason I've been losing was because the RDM can't grasp the concept of Chainspell->Stun.
Did this fight tonight with PLD/RDM, RNG/NIN, SMN/WHM, BLM/WHM, RDM/DRK (me), and PUP (mage-type). I wasn't there for Chainstun, just as backup stun in case BLM was busy nuking thralls.
Kept Bio3 on it, kept buffs up on everyone, used Convert twice, ran low on mp once. Everyone said we'd lose the first time. Noone even died. Only reason we went with that setup is b/c that's who was in our LS that needed it. Everyone else, enjoy your death-zerging.
Idk who the hell rated you down, but I nullified that. Good comment.
Zerging isn't always the best strategy. From watching this video, it makes sense to see how the fight was designed. I wonder if that was the intention of the programmers?
Very good video for those that do not wish, or cannot get a Zerg party going. Thank you for sharing this.
BlauDolch 1 year ago
BLMs are better Seed Thrall killers in my experience.
It sometimes takes a melee job a while to kill a Thrall, especially if they have no TP when the Thrall shows up...and by the time the melee has taken down the Thrall, the Seed Crystal might have already created more of them. Things get kinda hairy if you have too many Thralls running around.
A BLM, on the other hand, will one-shot the Thralls every time.
Zyxxs 1 year ago
@Zyxxs Good point. The party I beat it with(see setup below lol), WAR fought the seeds, but we never had problems with too many clones. The WAR would actually use the thralls to build TP, then would wait until the boss used a skill, THEN would run in and WS and run back up. Nice little damage bonus to help speed up the fight a little. I think as long as you engage the clones immediately it shouldn't be much problem, unless you get unlucky and he spawns like 3 in a row, doesn't happen often.
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Lubis5 1 year ago
0/2 with a monk tank. This is definitely a winnable strategy, as we easily got it to under 50% both times. Got it down to around 20% on one try.
The only problem is that monk has to continuously attack to keep hate, so they are susceptible to being charmed. If the monk gets charmed, it's pretty much over. Paladin is still a safer choice because they have the luxury of holding hate from a distance, makes the fight much more winnable.
Lubis5 1 year ago
@Lubis5 Adding to what I said earlier.
Not that this isn't a winnable strategy, it's just a little more risky in my opinion. You just have to have a monk that is very aware, which unfortunately my groups weren't able to pull off.
There is no perfect setup for this fight though, all you need is a smart party, for whichever strategy you try.
The group I beat it with was PLD, WAR, RNG, BLU, BLM, WHM. 2 DDs (RNG and BLU in my case) is really all you need to win the fight.
Lubis5 1 year ago
BOJ!!!!!!!!!!!
LOVEKREWz0r 2 years ago
JP ONRY
T3hN0ob 2 years ago 2
lmao
SmellsLikePSU 2 years ago
Just wondering if you remember the exact setup for this fight? I still need to do this fight for my Royal Redingote for my RDM. And I'm on Shiva as well, Tarutaru RDM named Kaisamoht.
ylbassist16 2 years ago
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fahgahdi 2 years ago
I'm just curious, would MNK be the only job able to do this? Or would SAM work too to tank? Furthermore, would that SAM have to sub WAR to voke or NIN to keep shadows up?
Great video by the way, really helpful ^^
Gorandude 2 years ago
sam/pld might be a better choice if you want to hold hate. you'd have sentinel and flash along with a def boost.
igetby1125 2 years ago
Seeing as the Seed Thrall copies your weapon, does that mean the RDM thrall using the staff will like, never be able to do damage?
Also, what's all that text at the top left of the screen?
AsheNightly 2 years ago
Oh wait. I just hit high quality, nevermind.
AsheNightly 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure that's the way it works. When using the ranged method, you can have the PLD unequip his sword and have the rangers use fire staves. If you're using phalanx, they'll do zero damage with all but ranged attacks.
NateypooShiva 2 years ago
Windower recast plugin
xopher314 2 years ago
it would probably be able to cast magic.
igetby1125 2 years ago
oh and that text is timers for your status effects. kinda useful for things like snk and invis. it also has count-down times for things like protect and shell
igetby1125 2 years ago
Yeah I know. I figured it out when I hit the HQ button.
AsheNightly 2 years ago
lol k
igetby1125 2 years ago
great job guys
when we did it (im american)
we used drg,blm,rng,smn,pld,rdm
me as drg to kill seeds,rng dmged the seed along with the smn usin avatars,blm stunned aoes rdm cured,pld tanked and voila,1/1 on this fight :)
cootaroach 2 years ago 2
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Terrible video! Staring at MIthra Rdm the hwole time is very lame you could have move to an above angle and moved rdm to a better angle spot!The only good thing was little text comment boxes!
Fossil924 2 years ago
This is an instructional video, not a Sundance Film submission. You'd think someone obsessed with aesthetics would proofread a comment before posting.
NateypooShiva 2 years ago
What accessory gears was the MNK using? HP build? how about food?
heroicpoet 2 years ago
Pescatora or carbonara are good. He definitely has +HP gear, and probably some degree of defense. I don't think he has any protection against magic. MDB doesn't help at all for the normal attack, and I'm not sure nihility or judgement are magical either. The real thing keeping him alive is the huge MP battery between three healers.
I can't recommend this until people figure out how to run from charm though. The radius is small, but it's fairly fast, and the hate reset is very bad.
NateypooShiva 2 years ago
This isn't a big deal really. One of the other three dmg dealers can also go MNK and take over tanking the crystal if charm hits the first MNK. Since MNK #2 is standing out of aoe he can open with hundred fists.
rrfilmproduction 2 years ago
It's not that simple really. DD #2 will be starting the fight with zero hate, whereas the healers will have accumulated a ton of cumulative enmity. Until the second DD can pull hate, your healers will repeatedly get drawn-in, and multiple people will get bombarded with AoEs. It gets ugly pretty quick, especially if both DD #2 and a healer get hit with judgement. It's not like he can run in, pop a 2-hour, and suddenly everyone is safe. Plus charm can happen multiple times, so it's unreliable.
NateypooShiva 2 years ago
Wow the music in this fight is probably the best music in all of FFXI and you turned it off, how sad
shinigamiabarairenji 2 years ago
Why is there a constant Chi blast sound?
Rameneater84 2 years ago
Its the Crystal's AOE tp move
orion1anon 2 years ago
great use of annotations to highlight strategy. i wish i was part of this raid, cause i'm 0/4
goldd3000 2 years ago
LOOL I saw that THAR, clone bent in half. lol
XTHHaseo 2 years ago
The MNK was /NIN?
fvtan 2 years ago
MNK/WAR
NateypooShiva 2 years ago
How did you stop it from using it's charm move????
Nice to see something different, 0/3 on zerg method.
Crazycanuck214 2 years ago
I'm not sure if there's a way to stop it, but you can either run out of range or stun it. It uses it near the very end of the video.
NateypooShiva 2 years ago
ok, i see it, it actually uses it at least twice i see in the video from about 7:00 on. The mnk outruns it every time. That's the best info i have seen on it so far.
Crazycanuck214 2 years ago
Wow, this video is a lot of help, thank you very much!
BottleHoward 2 years ago
Finally some sense. I wait hours before I get an invite for this fight...and the only reason I've been losing was because the RDM can't grasp the concept of Chainspell->Stun.
JazzPanda 2 years ago
I know the feeling... I'm a DRG and I've been so far as to be called a "F***ing retard" by one guy even
all because..... I don't have any other 75s...
Though thanks for the info, I'm hoping to slam this in people's faces now
Razgriez1 2 years ago
Did this fight tonight with PLD/RDM, RNG/NIN, SMN/WHM, BLM/WHM, RDM/DRK (me), and PUP (mage-type). I wasn't there for Chainstun, just as backup stun in case BLM was busy nuking thralls.
Kept Bio3 on it, kept buffs up on everyone, used Convert twice, ran low on mp once. Everyone said we'd lose the first time. Noone even died. Only reason we went with that setup is b/c that's who was in our LS that needed it. Everyone else, enjoy your death-zerging.
Yekyaa 2 years ago
Idk who the hell rated you down, but I nullified that. Good comment.
Zerging isn't always the best strategy. From watching this video, it makes sense to see how the fight was designed. I wonder if that was the intention of the programmers?
Renarudo 2 years ago
OMG OMG OMG DONT'CHA KNOW DIS FITE IS TOO HARD RANGAR ONRY RANGAR ONRY CHAINSTUN REQWIRED!.
Nobody will even consider my PUP, and I'm always .5 seconds late when they'll let me be DRG. I'm gonna make em watch this, all of em.
IlluminaBlade 2 years ago