Quarter-tone frets on guitar - Turkish/arabic style

[SomeoneHatesEveryone]

ohhh heyy baglama techniques on guitar i really love it!!

[MitjaShi]

some insane playing you got there!

[WeilunWu]

Amazing! And next time u should try add in distortion!!! :D

[MrSwac31]

@unholycrap the answer is a bit tricky : take one fret, measure the distance from that fret to the bridge ( you obtain X cm or X inch).

Now divide X by 2 exponent 1/24 you obtain the distance from the bridge to the quarter tone fret ( name Y ).

Subtract Y from X

You've got the exact distance between the tone fret and the quarter tone fret you want!

[MrSwac31]

@MrSwac31 instead of measuring the distance from that fret to the bridge ou can also use the scale of your guitar ( for exemple 24.75" or 62.87 cm,cm is more accurate) In that case select the fret you want to extend ( exemple 5th fret ) sclae/(2^(1/12))=> distance from bridge first fret(X1) X1/(2^(1/12))=> distance from bridge second fret(X2) ... X4/(2^(1/12))=> distance from bridge fifth fret(X5) Now do that X5/(2^(1/24))=>distance from bridge you fifth quarter ton fret(X51) Now X5-X51 End

[KlausMogensen]

@MrSwac31 Yes, you can calculate the distance if you want the arabic 24-tone equal temperament (24-TET) tuning. This is, however, seldom used for the Turkish saz, which is why I have done it differently.

[unholycrap]

Why are the quarter tone frets not closer to where the middle of the semitone is?

[KlausMogensen]

@unholycrap Because the frets on the saz normally not is in the middle. Please see some of the earlier comments where we discuss this.

[mecca777]

cool!

[Kiriff]

This is actually pretty cool! At last I see someone using microtones to make real music!

[JEESherazi]

2:21 I love it!

[LitedPixel]

whats that weird thing you clamp on your guitar Sorry i am totally new to this i need to know what is it cuz i want to buy one

[KlausMogensen]

@LitedPixel It is just a capo

[mrJazzyJeffy]

hehe er du fra jylland :D ?

[KlausMogensen]

@mrJazzyJeffy Amager

[mrJazzyJeffy]

@KlausMogensen nå sorry XD men nu hvor jeg har din opmærksomhed, har du selv sat kvart tonebåndene på?

[KlausMogensen]

@mrJazzyJeffy Ja

[TheGabbia]

why? why don use fretless guitar for this stuff?

[KlausMogensen]

@TheGabbia It is hard to play chords on a fretless guitar - intonating six strings on the fly :)

[TheGabbia]

@KlausMogensen u do only 2 cord chords XD but ok, i understand what u mean...fretless guitar is very difficult guitar ;) anyway u play very good! :)

[undathebridge]

so basically by adding frets you have access to notes between semitones?

[tonyrosam]

This is amazing... please get ahold of fender to do a version.

[leakhead666]

hard for my western mind to comprehend

[lancerambert]

Klaus, I was thinking about trying this to one of my guitars. My question is after reading your website I'm still wondering what the exact placement of the new frets is? You say "The frets should be placed in the middle following this system. I have, however, never meet a single person using this system and I think it is mainly a theoretical system." However, you then appear to install them 2/3 of the way between the original frets. I'm curious exactly what criteria you used to determine this?

[KlausMogensen]

@lancerambert The criteria for me was to look at my saz and place them similarly. It depends a lot on what music you are playing. Arabic pop music tend to place the quartetones in the middle (arabic keyboard), while Turkish and classical oriental music tend to place them a bit higher (my impression). But I don't think it is so important. Quite hard to hear the difference.

[lancerambert]

@KlausMogensen

@KlausMogensen

Thanks for the info Klaus. I'm looking at replicating this Ibanez guitar's fretboard:

ibanez.co.jp/oriental/Features­.html

[chabi3000]

AWESOME !

[RockIsK1ckAss]

saz means instrument

its baglama

[akamarutv]

I wish you would have used heavy distortion, I think that would make an amazing metal riff

[cheese0tron]

fuck that

[bishopdante]

You dress the frets with a device called a stone. That's how you make sure they're all the same height. Best not to use a file for levelling. Look up "fret dressing".

[EduardotheJackFaria]

Muito, muito legal mesmo!!!

[gigwalnutz1]

What would you recomend for those of us who use only fresh water fish scales? Should I use 60 or 70 pinot grigio flavored frets, or would you still go for the traditional red claret frets? Thanks much!! Confused in kabul.

[KlausMogensen]

@gigwalnutz1 Confused in Copenhagen? Never heard about fish scales or pinot grigio frets before :)

[IntensiveTime]

@gigwalnutz1 Haha! I love this comment!

[rillloudmother]

@gigwalnutz1 douche pants

[umutcanster]

@ProgamerOmer

Good Comment.

[Arcatera94]

nice work bro hail from turkey.

[TheUnrealworld]

turkey lıke thıs :)

[shargarepa12345]

i dont get your fretting on this guitar?

[sirsalamander]

This is an excellent video Klaus. Thank you. I am building an electric Persian Tar and asked guitar techs about adding new frets and most of them said it would be impossible to set the action right. Do you have anything regarding measurement information for adding the quarter tones? I feel like I should be very meticulous when doing that part of it.

[KlausMogensen]

@sirsalamander I don't know much about the Persian Tar, but if you have one as a model, you can place it similarly, just as I used the saz as a model. There is not a general 'correct' position for the quartertone in oriental music and in classical music there are even several quartertones, e.g a higher quartertone when going up the scale and a lower when going down. It is my impression that most are placed in the 50%-75% region (slightly higher than in the middle).

[vzsozs]

shit. this is AWESOME!!!

[hatsumomo535353]

ı m from turkey . and ı like it

[KlausMogensen]

It is called Gurcu Kizi

youtube.com/watch?v=eXCvTB5xaa­o

youtube.com/watch?v=O-lAVCDge-­k

[Brandin604]

What song do you play at 2:20?

[damdahu]

Great sound!!! Remind me of Trey Spruance work in Secret Chiefs 3! I definitely have to try that!

[rudewalking]

cool playing man, not many explore this arab-esq rock, hey utubers,, I would'nt try fretting your guitar unless you are a seasoned veteran.

[calvinscheuerman]

this is so great! you could sell those necks for a big profit. i know i would buy one.

[alican1923]

This is great. Thank you very much.

[barakby]

Great music my friend! Do you know how to make a floating fret?

[KlausMogensen]

@barakby No I haven't tried that. it seems complicated.

[mondoshar2]

Oops I didn't mean to dislike this video! This is really cool. I don't know much about music...I can't read music very well, I don't know much about musical theory, and I'm awful at guitar, but I loved this video! Thanks for uploading.

[KlausMogensen]

Yes, i think there are lots of possibilities. I just want to play the Beyati scale with as few extra frets as possible in order not to make playing too confusing.

[RSwordIAAA]

in the second octave it looks like a quarter tone, but the lower frets look like sixth tones ... or a subset of 36-tone. if you put another fret on each of those you already have frets on, and did it to the entire 12-tones- you'd have 36-tones and you'd have new higher 7-limit "harmonies" like a 7/4 - Also you'd get to explore some new families besides diatonic and traditional scales/harmonies.... Great vid :)

[awfulguitarplucker]

i just fail in understand whats the reason why that guitar can be only used to play in only a few tonality with those microtonal frets

[KlausMogensen]

@awfulguitarplucker It is because the first interval in the microtonal scale is a three-quarter step and this is only present for some of the starting tones - like C, A, D, F etc. You cannot play e.g. C#-beyati etc.

If you add an extra fret between all of the original frets, then you can play from all tones. The reason I did not do this was because it would make it very hard to keep a good overview of the fret board. So I only added the extra frets that I'm actually using.

[teopay]

Amazing! I really liked what you played, and I can't believe you actually did that on a guitar. Congratulations! How did you know exactly where to place the new frets? Did you measure it or just did it aproximately?

[KlausMogensen]

I just placed them approximately as they are placed on my saz. Quite a lot of people ask this. Here is what I wrote for a person in Germany who also want to modify his guitar:

"As I understand it, there is no 'correct or exact' way of placing the quarter tone frets. But it depends on genre, region, personal taste etc. This is a reason why the frets are movable on baglama. But normally they are placed higher than the middle. If you have a baglama you can see this."

[KlausMogensen]

@teopay "I choose the following distances, because this is roughly how I have the frets on my baglama. Beware that this is not necessarily correct and indeed not exact, since I did not do any measurements:

2 position: around 2,4 cm from lower fret and 1,1 cm to higher fret

5 position: around 2,0 cm from lower fret and 0,9 cm to higher fret

7 position: around 1,8 cm from lower fret and 0,9 cm to higher fret

12 and 14 pos: around 1 mm higher than the middle."

[KlausMogensen]

@teopay "Beware that these extra frets will give a guitar for playing in Do (C) when using a capo on position 3. It is also possible to play from La(A) and Re(D) without a capo."

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[KlausMogensen]

Thanks Steve. I hope more people will start playing non-tempered scales. It is, however, a bit harder to play chords, because the fingering needs to be more precise.

[BigSteveXD]

nice work dude, the extra frets look no different from the rest; good job on that!

and I found the music and what you talked about quite interesting despite it not being my kind of thing

[BigSteveXD]

nice work dude, the extra frets look no different from the rest; good job on that!

and I found the music and what you talked about quite interesting despite it not being my kind of thing