If it was not for the suffering and death of Christ there would be no Resurrection or Salvation. The blood that was on the whips and the spears of those Roman soldiers 2,000 years ago is the same blood that offers purification and cleanses the sins from the souls of a penitent Christian. Christ Lives!!!
And may I add a footnote ~~> "And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, "shall he find FAITH on the earth?" (Luke 18:7-8)
This is a beautiful poem which ironically paints a picture by an atheist of how empty man is without God. Many skeptics and atheist often portray the same picture and they don't even realize it.
@HolyMisfit That's not true atheism. That's atheism through a religious looking glass. And maybe you could say Neitzsche wasn't a true atheist then, which is fine by me.
You can't actually answer that question of a world without the idea of gods, because our world has that idea.
@Noxshus This quote has nothing to do with his own personal beliefs, if you had any sense of what you were talking about and reflected on his work- you'd know he is the biggest atheist of all time. He called Christianity an immortal blemish on the human race, and while this particular parable is very profound and at times confusing, it is mainly a reflection of the absence of the Christian "God" to give men meaning, and creating a benchmark afterward.
Why do people think that this is about God and Atheism... It's about the old views of the world verses the modern view, God is simply a symbol of those ideas and traditions which came from religion mostly... you can't read Nietzsche literally
Right! Nietzsche was speaking of morality and Judeo-Christian principles that people, who were otherwise atheists, were living under. He chose a madman as his mouthpiece here perhaps to imply that the "murder of God" would lead society into "madness" (Nihilism) until the aristocracy was established and master morality achieved.
@AgApE010 Perhaps he was simply being prophetic using the madman... but thats unfair of me. There are many ways one can understand the use of the Madman, and by that measure the idea of madness itself... I wouldn't call nihilism madness, at least not as opposed to the idea of God himself- I can claim that to be madness too... Madness is a social idea, so it's just the opposite of the zeitgeist in a way... as for morality, it's just as tentative in my opinion,
Well look at it from Nietzsche's standpoint. Moral nihilism is indeed absurd, and he seems to have seen this as a transitional stage from religion-based morals and master morality. But yes, Nietzsche is infamously difficult to interpret, so I don't, by any means, intend to be dogmatic in my claim.
@AgApE010 I don't think he was directly or rather solely addressing morality, it was more widely the way in which people understand their world. Morals can play a part... Moral nihilism isn't absurd in practice but in notion. They idea that people could interact without having an idea of how to is impossible, but this all depends how one wants to define morality, in it's more simplified form it tell people what's right and wrong, this mean how to behave, without which we can't
Actually, the context of the Parable was speaking of morality. It was here that Nietzsche distinguished between "slave morality" and "master morality." His indictment against the people was that they understood their world as "godless" but yet they still clung to Christian principles ("slave morality"). The people had "murdered God," and now Nietzsche existentially calls them to live accordingly. Hence the madman's words: "Shall we not ourselves have to become Gods?"
@DsaiTheWhite here Nietzsche was adressing morality. What hes saying isnt that there is absolutely no morality, hes saying we have rejected the ideals of slave morality or gods morality. Thus we have killed the social construction that is god as he no longer serves a purpose to uphold our morals. Instead he asks Shall we not ourselves have to become gods? telling you that you to have The Will To Power and are your own god able to set your own moral values and decide how you act in the world
@HammarHeart I think,what would hammarheart do, then I do the opposite! I listened to your music, sounds alot like Justin Bieber. Keep practicing,bathe daily and clean your room like mom tells you. Behave yourself!!!! You must learn your koran, and you must learn how to do the 'Freddie" Put your hand over your head and jump on one foot. You're getting there! Do the Freddie and sing with a scottish accent! call yourself, 'wie willie hammar' Wear a kilt and eat boiled potatoes & beer!
Does it not seem to anyone else, that it is terribly ironic that Ravi should pull this passage from Zarathustra and use it only to reaffirm Christianity?
Concerning modest, simple Christianity however, consisting of those who simply wish to follow it modestly, and actually follow the new testament gospels according to (perhaps solely theses tenants ->)the basic tenants, of love God, and neighbour. Such seems to be proper, and indeed perhaps good for a people, or individual.
I recant of what I said about the traditional Catholic faith and religion, in concerns to it being a negative, or painful presence on the Earth; I was confused, decieved, but most of all maliciously foolish. The traditional Catholic Faith, and Religion, is a necessary religion and faith, and is the only hope for humanity in this present age.
I recant of what I said about the traditional Catholic faith and religion, in concerns to it being a negative, or painful presence on the Earth; I was confused, decieved, but most of all maliciously foolish. The traditional Catholic Faith, and Religion, is a necessary religion and faith, and is the only pure, and redeeming hope for humanity in this present age...
What is absolutely clear now however, beyond any reasonably doubt: Is that the Traditional Catholic religion has been an incredibly painful presence on the earth, in correction of any previous support I showed it. As history alone, let alone its negatively coercive dogma, shows it to be decadent, arrogant in it's own declared merit, and vulgar in it's great splendour. -- Such a Christianity is the negative one I speak of, and should be fought, and resisted; it would be noble to do so.
However, it is worth noteing, that there are two faces to Traditional Christianity: A negative face, and a postive face, and there have been thinkers who have clearly noticed the struggle between the two, and indeed, the seemingly unlimited ammount of contraditictions in the history of Christian religion because of these two sides of the religion: the Positive, and Negative sides. Are they in a constant battle? Is one right, and the other wrong - absolutely speaking? ...
Therefore, while one has been fighting hard against present cruelties, abuses, and indeed evils, of a dominant Atheistic religion in the world, fighting in the frontline for a Christian religion, one eventually may come to see the cruelties, and seemingly evils of the Christian religion. A choice may be made to continue fighting, for that old religion, rejecting ones conscience, or join the frontline of the present dominant one. Or one may take the nobler route, and fight them both
But then again, what do I know. However, I will state finally: Damned be conformists. "What will it gain a man to gain the whole world, at the price of his soul?" Christ
Therefore, while one has been fighting hard against present cruelties, abuses, and indeed evils, of a dominant Atheistic religion in the world, fighting in the frontline for a Christian religion, one eventually may come to see the cruelties, and seemingly evils of the Christian religion. A choice may be made to continue fighting, for that old religion, rejecting ones conscience, or join the frontline of the present dominant one. Or one may take the nobler route, and fight them both
God is dead, or at least so mightily wounded, and his vanguard so dispersed, that all he has left surrounding him, are the useful idiots with bloody knives to finish the job, and cults of foul people, to bring him to despair.
God is dead, or at least so mightily wounded, and his vanguard so dispersed, that all he has left surrounding him, are the useful idiots with bloody knives to finish the job, and cults of foul people, to bring him to despair.
@TheBane35 God is dead, or at least so mightily wounded, and his vanguard so dispersed, that all he has left surrounding him, are the useful idiots with bloody knives to finish the job, and cults of foul people, to bring him to despair.
God aside, if there be one, all Christianity is poison, be it Protestant, Evangelical, Traditional Catholic, or any any sect or cult, or at least seemingly poison from my experience, which can mean destructive poisoning, or hypnotic poisoning, which can lead to destruction, or the like. And indeed, perhaps Christianity, is simply Wrong. Be on your guard, be wary.
@TheBane44 Well, that post was certainly not entirely true, as firstly my 'experience' is limited to only a few of those declared facets of Christianity, and my experience may very well still be mixed with great ignorance. Yet, concerning rejecting Christianity, and indeed even rejecting God: Always be wary in rejecting these things, and possibly along with it, previous love, or discipline, you do not become a slave to things outside yourself, seeking to find yourself.
God aside, if there be one, all Christianity is poison, be it Protestant, Evangelical, or Traditional Catholic, or at least seemingly poison. And indeed perhaps simply Wrong. Be on your guard, be wary.
God aside, if there be one, all Christianity is poison, be it Protestant, Evangelical, or Traditional Catholic, or at least seemingly poison. And indeed perhaps simply Wrong. Be on your guard, be wary.
God is dead, or at least so mightily wounded, and his vanguard so dispersed, that all he has left surrounding him, are the useful idiots with bloody knives to finish the job, and cults of foul people, to bring him to despair.
@TheBane44 Nevermind God; All Christianity is poison, be it Protestant, Evangelical, or Traditional Catholic, all is poison, and wrong. Be on your guard.
God is dead, but, we have not become gods, nor shall we become gods. That destiny has already been taken by the scum, and wolves who had the honour in the past, of being declared the favourites of God. Now, what shall We do? What mighty acts of valour, or great deeds are not yet done to awaken a fire in the few wretches in this world who desire glory, and are worthy of it? Travel for fulfilment? Wander for distraction? Die for liberation? Pah.
@TheBaneOfAmbiguity44 Nevermind God; All Christianity is poison, be it Protestant, Evangelical, or Traditional Catholic, all is poison, and wrong. Be on your guard.
@TheBaneOfAmbiguity0 Maybe, and maybe not. Maybe the problem with religion is only bad theologians. Traditional religion certaintly isnt more foul, than the religion of Modern Atheism, and Good religion may be the only hope for a return to virtue, for mankind as a whole. I dont know... There ought to be a Good God.
@TheBaneOfAmbiguity03 well its pretty obvious that even if there was one, he is not good, even evil. . Thankfully there is no God, I wouldnt even worship nor choose to beleive even if there was, Their acts are cruel.
Or better yet, having Faith in that which is beautiful is need for the soul, especially those unlucky enough to be born into a world, void of beauty, and determinned to do away with all that is natural, and indeed, good. Be wary of fundamental religion, with crude theology, and theologians, along with modern psychiatric thought, with its oppressive doctrine. Have Faith.
As a final transmission, a rather crude way to put it. Be wary of fundamental religion, along with its crude, and blunt theology, and theologians. And be wary of modern psychiatric thought, with its oppressive doctrine, which makes it very similar to fundamental religion, both oppressive, both drivel. They have both made my life very difficult, dont let the same happen to you. Conserning Faith, however, I would recommend this, having Faith in that which is beautiful, is needed in this world.
Seek out what is beautiful, put little or no importance for what is evil, save your hate. Do battle with those who seek to oppress your soul, be they theologian, or modern intellectual. And, perhaps, love a God of Hope, and not a God of Fear, and oppression. Sadly however, it appears that a Devil has taken the place of the Good God, and surrounded himself, with crude theologians, and cruel moderns. Nietzsche was a decent, and honest man, thus, he was hated, and slandered, by religous and moderns
these so-called resurrected dead, who will be nothing other than the devil under these faces, will preach another Gospel contrary to that of the true Christ Jesus, denying the existence of heaven, if these be not in fact the souls of the damned. All these souls will appear joined to their bodies." APPARITION of the BLESSED VIRGIN on the Mountain of
LA SALETTE the 19th of September, 1846
Traditional* Catholic Prophecy.
Be wary, be vigilent. This man's philosophy will destroy a soul.
@PathWellTrodden Religion aside however; if one can manage to live life, simply, morally, and honourably, then in my opinion, they have lived life perfectly. I don't understand why make life complicated with Nietzsche philosophy, or even religious extreme philosophy. In either case, be it modern intellectuals dictating philosophy, or what is 'true', or whether it is mentally psychotic, self righteous, religious authoritarians, dictating what is 'true', they both do the same thing.
They both do the same thing, perhaps commit the same crime. They arrogantly, place their unqualified hands into the minds of individuals, and begin controlling the way an individual looks at everything in life, until they can truly support their claim of there being no 'Free Will', because they stole it! Concerning my little philosophy then, I can sum it up as this -- Save your soul, by living free, morally, true, and perhaps above all, simply.
Simplicity, humility, love. The three keys to life, which all the modern intellectuals, and some, or all, of the extreme religious authoritarians of the past, and present, never found, or perhaps, maliciously never gave to the common folk, under their mind control. Only the humble, and sincere will spare these keys to one another. There is free will, "... Leave reason, faith, and conscience all our own." Oliver Goldsmith.
Mélanie interpolated here: "That is to say, these dead will assume the prospect of righteous souls who once lived on earth, in order to seduce men more easily;
People will be transported form one place to another by these evil spirits, and even priests, because they will not have lived by the good spirit of the gospel, which is a spirit of humility, charity and zeal for the glory of God. The dead and the just will be made to rise."
"Bad books will abound over the earth, and the spirits of darkness will everywhere spread universal relaxation in everything concerning God's service: they will have very great power over nature; there will be churches to serve these spirits...
Forgive the folly at the end of my long comment ramble, and forgive my seeming madness, it is perhaps fitting for the Parable of a Madman. Where is God? Seek Him, elsewhere than the modern world, a world which drives men mad, seek Him in the traditional old orders, and cultures of Man.
@TheBaneOfAmbiguity33 The fact that you see the idea of consciousness reduced to biology as hopeless is very telling. An intellectually honest person should accept the TRUTH first, and worry about its implications after accepting it. Where is the soul if not in the brain? No where we can prove in this life: in reality. The danger in philosophy is that an argument/idea can be logically sound even when its premise is flawed. thats where fact (science) becomes essential.
@TheBaneOfAmbiguity33 i guess what i'm saying is that the mistakes the scientific community makes is all in the direction of progress, and the evils science has given us are matched by those of theology. And what has theology really given us but psuedo-science? i dont mean that in an insulting way, but in a literal way: many people believe theology was a kind of primitive science, the human mind trying to understand our world, and our place in it.
Forgive me folks, what a mad rant. There is reason in it however. But, by God, I really went off the deep end at places, in distress. My apologies, I have become like this madman, screaming, "Where is God?" Hopefully a loveing God does exist, or gods, for that matter.
@TheBaneOfAmbiguiity and, that is why i dont judge you for seeking god, as i sought god, and as every man seeks god, or something to make sense of it all, to hope for. but it reminds me of a story Douglas Adams told of a puddle which I shall subsequent post, and which I feel sums up the necessity for an objective/scientific basis for our philosophical pursuits....
@TheBaneOfAmbiguiity Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!'
@jimmymot This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.'
@jimmymot Thank you for the very polite, long, response. I will finally end then, by simply saying: 'I hope it will rain again soon.' Whether it is naive, folly, or both, to wish for rain, or to wish for what is left of this 'puddle' to dry up, I know not. However, my own 'soul', or 'brain', is wary of letting what is left of meaning, dry up, and vanish, leaving only the present modern sphere, specifically the scientific sphere, to define what is true, or untrue.
@jimmymot And to end with a quote, as you have, I will quote Oliver Goldsmith, from his poem, 'The Traveller'. However, I am most likely using this passage quite out of context, and completely inappropriately, in comparison to the poem, I will dare, and use it none the less. Also, such a passage, may very well be used against both, theology, and modern science authority. All, in all, I just like the quote, Ha. "... Leave reason, faith, and conscience all our own." Oliver Goldsmith.
What I have written may be complete wisdom, or folly, or perhaps a mixture of both. An ambiguous mess, perhaps, for the Bane of Ambiguity. Ha. May the sincere seeker, with a pure heart, learn, and discover true 'truth.'
And I will add, I am scrupulous, concerning whether such rambling can be for good or for ill. Therefore, be wary even in reading my writings, I fear it has not been written while in a state of grace; simply, rambling, thinking, and reasoning, in a state of distress and slight madness on my part. Good luck, God bless, in your seeking for truth. What terrible devils I wrestle with, good luck.
I will confess however, out of a need, and fear, to be truthful; that all I have wrote, has been in a distressed state, seeking what is true. Thus, I have committed the fault of seeking to aid another, while 'having a branch in my own eye.' Be careful reading what I have written, in a biblical, or theological manner, I am not a scholar concerning Catholic dogma. And think upon the reasoning I have brought forth, if you wish, which has been the main purpose of my rambling, thinking, and writing.
Damned is Man, for, he has lost his soul, and has spat upon his ancestors, nailing the placard, 'Folly', on their heads, if only for their natural philosophies, and their natural belief in God. As Nietzsche said, the Tree of Knowledge, and the Tree of Life, are not one in the same. Modern's keep ravaging the Tree of Knowledge, taking all its fruit, be it good or evil, while leaving the Tree of Life to the humble, the 'weak', the 'unintelligent'. Very well, I will take my fruit from the Good Tree
Where is God? Hidden from those who are unworthy to witness, and see Him. Where is God? Resting in whatever remnants of natural civilisation which remain. Where is God? Is he in the industrial godless wasteland, which makes up many of our lives? No, he is not here -- without God, we have made Hell on Earth, with our pursuit for Heaven on Earth being declared vain, and stupid.
Pah, godless philosophies are gods in themselves, filled with occult impulses, once one accepts them. What madness: Athiests, who claim that there is no God, or gods, become slaves to that which is, indeed, outside themselves. Maliciousness, pride, contempt for fellow man, arrogance, are the only ultimate product waiting for one who follows godless philosophy, sincerily. If one does not become these things, then they never followed it truthfully, and firmly. Ignore me, or ignore me not.
Or take heed to what I have said, in a horde of comments, which put these relativist philosophies to the test, through what it claims, arrogantly, only for itself; namely, Reason.
@alessandroiscool So, there may very well be a God, and he may very well be a good God, who has made man, with the purpose to become like Him, and One with Him. Philosophers seem to have missed this in the past centuries: That it is vain, and folly to seek to become a 'god'. It is the key to life, to pursue fulfillment, and truth, with this aim, to become like God, and one with Him, at this.
@alessandroiscool This journey requires humility, something modern philosophy, modern science, modern society, modern culture, is lacking almost completely. I have received a comment, which said something like, 'Nietzsche was against following the herd', well, then do not follow the modern, present, herd then, and seek God, something which almost none are doing any longer; sincerely, truly. It is finished.
There's no such thing. Atheists are very different individuals with no unifying worldview or philosophy.
"Atheism•a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods" -that is all
Talking about "God is dead and we have killed him" Has nothing to do with atheism. A god would have to be real in order to kill him. Atheists don't hate god, no, that would be stupid, about as sane as hating Santa Claus, another fictional entity.
To finally conclude. I have gone slightly mad, in my pursuit to find meaning, and absolute truth, while delving into Nietzsche's philosophy at the same time; and it seems to me, to conclude, that I cannot find any other absolute truth, other than, there is a God, and his character is absolute, which may be the foundation for virtue, morality, and the meaning of life. Where is God? Well, that it up to you, to seek...
@TheBaneOfAmbiguity3 god is not an absolute because there is no proof for him or the supernatural. math is the only thing absolute - it is the only science that is 100% provable, without relying on our own subjective experience. i used to believe in god, and then mysticism, because i craved truth, the ultimate truth. but do you want to risk living a lie to avoid accepting an incomplete truth that stings? you seem invested in truth or i wouldn't bother. but read the god delusion.
To be more clear, I did not try to prove Morality, as a law in Nature, which God placed. I simply tried to make the observation that perhaps God's character is the ultimate absolute truth concerning these things. If this is so, then Nietzsche, who I like to think pursued virtue, and his own morality; that this pursuit is very natural and healthy. Concerning, this pursuit natural pursuit in modern society, it is difficult. t
Why is it difficult? Because like the comment you made, we are a society which is consumed by "science that is 100% provable", this then eliminates the spiritual field completely, something that Nietzsche never dared try, even being a claimed athiest. Such a comment is dangerous, as this world order we are living under, in the West, is poisonous, if only that it is so opposed to nature, and therefore, the God of Nature.
I hope I have not strayed off topic; however, this is what is on my mind. If we are to pursure this 'tree of life', which Nietzsche made the comparison as being different from the scientific, 'tree of knowledge', then we must oppose this world order consumed by, 'fact', and '100% science', and pursue this, 'tree of life'.
Yet, thinking more upon it, if God, is the author of nature, then perhaps his character, or perhaps better defined, His own Nature, is written in nature (or perhaps, defines nature absolutely?). Therefore, if morality, virtue, and God, are not proven scientifically, as physical laws of nature (which aids nothing in the pursuit of higher living), then perhaps they may be proven spiritually, but, that is if one even believes the spirit, as something true.
Be wary you do not fall into modern thinking, it seems to be consumed with that which is the new religion, which is mainly, everything can be defined, and judged as physical, and therefore, even metaphysical thought, and just a biological reaction in the brain -- what hopelessness.
Be wary you do not fall into modern thinking, it seems to be consumed with that which is the new religion, which is mainly, everything can be defined, and judged as physical, and therefore, even metaphysical thought, and just a biological reaction in the brain -- what hopelessness.
@TheBaneOfAmbiguity7 You warn me to be wary of modern thinking, the potential "new religion" of science, and its obsession with 100% provable truth. Yet, what is beautiful about scientific thinking is its commitment to truth. Science will never be religion because good skepticism opposes faith. You sound a lot like the post-enlightenment thinkers, who rightfully grew concerned when painful truths begin to emerge. But we understand these things better now, so we cannot simply choose to ignore em
@jimmymot I spelled wrongly one critical word in that last post, I wrote "and just a biological reaction in the brain...", I meant to write, "AS just a biological reaction in the brain..." I was showing what I believe, modern thinking 'thinks', concerning spirit, and even metaphysical thought. Modern thinking (according to me, perhaps others) believes biological reactions in the brain, and nothing more. Personally I despise this modern definition, and I prefer to believe in the Spirit of Man.
Be wary in reading my comments, I fear I may of fallen into ambiguity myself; judge yourself, read carefully, or don't read at all.
However, if you do not read, then I will simply state this, my argument was focused upon finding meaning in virtuous living, higher life, and attempting to prove that foundation is necessary, specifically a foundation of God.
According to Nietzsche's philosophy, there is no meaning, I attempt to offer another path, free of religious dogma, simply faith.
It is a Lie so disgusting, and deceptive, I would not be surprised if it has caused the ruin of many souls.
MarcouA3 2 days ago
Diogenes meets Dionysus.
voidforpurpose 4 days ago
If it was not for the suffering and death of Christ there would be no Resurrection or Salvation. The blood that was on the whips and the spears of those Roman soldiers 2,000 years ago is the same blood that offers purification and cleanses the sins from the souls of a penitent Christian. Christ Lives!!!
SeraphimSword 1 week ago
Could have been interpreted better.
extros1 4 weeks ago
Adolf Hitler and the Nazis claimed that Nietzsche was one of their great inspirations.
SpictacularJon 1 month ago
brilliant video
msjessypp 1 month ago
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reanimated6 1 month ago
By gum, Nietzsche was a bad ass!!!
elvispelt 2 months ago
Ravi Zacharias (whoever he is) really sucks at narrating passages it seems.
stupidrenner 3 months ago
Thanks to the haters for making the Like-bar look like a blunt.. ups wrong video
zebwinkler 3 months ago
Why to Christians love to quote Nietzsche so much?
shoopoop21 4 months ago
And may I add a footnote ~~> "And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, "shall he find FAITH on the earth?" (Luke 18:7-8)
aliveinthelamb 4 months ago
@aliveinthelamb Nietzsche still hated you
demondays7 4 months ago
worst entonation ever
omel5 4 months ago
FUCK Ravi Zacharias
Drgamedood 4 months ago
This is a beautiful poem which ironically paints a picture by an atheist of how empty man is without God. Many skeptics and atheist often portray the same picture and they don't even realize it.
watch?v=xvghod2uv_0
HolyMisfit 4 months ago
@HolyMisfit That's not true atheism. That's atheism through a religious looking glass. And maybe you could say Neitzsche wasn't a true atheist then, which is fine by me.
You can't actually answer that question of a world without the idea of gods, because our world has that idea.
Noxshus 3 months ago
@Noxshus This quote has nothing to do with his own personal beliefs, if you had any sense of what you were talking about and reflected on his work- you'd know he is the biggest atheist of all time. He called Christianity an immortal blemish on the human race, and while this particular parable is very profound and at times confusing, it is mainly a reflection of the absence of the Christian "God" to give men meaning, and creating a benchmark afterward.
viletree 3 months ago
@viletree What? What are you talking about? Did you see who I was replying to? I don't think you understand what my point was.
Noxshus 3 months ago
Brings tears to my eyes... Beautiful...
dellaire11 5 months ago
mankind invented "God" and so Mankind has a perfect right to declare him dead.
Avalon400 5 months ago
@Avalon400 watch?v=xvghod2uv_0
HolyMisfit 4 months ago
Can anyone tell me where the original audio came from what talk of ralphie zachariades this came from thank you so much
Vpopov81 5 months ago
Wow...... what tremendous poetry. When I read Nietzsche's description of the most contemptible man, the ultimate man i think of my generation.
Vpopov81 6 months ago
Nietzsche would run intellectual circles around Ravi and his dumb claims.
Drgamedood 6 months ago
Why do people think that this is about God and Atheism... It's about the old views of the world verses the modern view, God is simply a symbol of those ideas and traditions which came from religion mostly... you can't read Nietzsche literally
DsaiTheWhite 7 months ago
@DsaiTheWhite
Right! Nietzsche was speaking of morality and Judeo-Christian principles that people, who were otherwise atheists, were living under. He chose a madman as his mouthpiece here perhaps to imply that the "murder of God" would lead society into "madness" (Nihilism) until the aristocracy was established and master morality achieved.
AgApE010 6 months ago
@AgApE010 Perhaps he was simply being prophetic using the madman... but thats unfair of me. There are many ways one can understand the use of the Madman, and by that measure the idea of madness itself... I wouldn't call nihilism madness, at least not as opposed to the idea of God himself- I can claim that to be madness too... Madness is a social idea, so it's just the opposite of the zeitgeist in a way... as for morality, it's just as tentative in my opinion,
DsaiTheWhite 6 months ago
@DsaiTheWhite
Well look at it from Nietzsche's standpoint. Moral nihilism is indeed absurd, and he seems to have seen this as a transitional stage from religion-based morals and master morality. But yes, Nietzsche is infamously difficult to interpret, so I don't, by any means, intend to be dogmatic in my claim.
AgApE010 6 months ago
@AgApE010 I don't think he was directly or rather solely addressing morality, it was more widely the way in which people understand their world. Morals can play a part... Moral nihilism isn't absurd in practice but in notion. They idea that people could interact without having an idea of how to is impossible, but this all depends how one wants to define morality, in it's more simplified form it tell people what's right and wrong, this mean how to behave, without which we can't
DsaiTheWhite 6 months ago
@DsaiTheWhite
Actually, the context of the Parable was speaking of morality. It was here that Nietzsche distinguished between "slave morality" and "master morality." His indictment against the people was that they understood their world as "godless" but yet they still clung to Christian principles ("slave morality"). The people had "murdered God," and now Nietzsche existentially calls them to live accordingly. Hence the madman's words: "Shall we not ourselves have to become Gods?"
AgApE010 6 months ago
@DsaiTheWhite here Nietzsche was adressing morality. What hes saying isnt that there is absolutely no morality, hes saying we have rejected the ideals of slave morality or gods morality. Thus we have killed the social construction that is god as he no longer serves a purpose to uphold our morals. Instead he asks Shall we not ourselves have to become gods? telling you that you to have The Will To Power and are your own god able to set your own moral values and decide how you act in the world
cyb3rwolf51 5 months ago
@cyb3rwolf51 Ummm, ok, not sure what the point of your message is... I didn't oppose that, I was addressing a different issue... but whatever
DsaiTheWhite 5 months ago
Hey Ravi!
Read slowly when the content requires thought.
I wish to ruminate...
Lsdfunk 7 months ago
@SoldierOfLight1 You found "God"!?
And it speaks English?
:o
Lsdfunk 7 months ago
Nietzsche was magnificent.
SororThothma 7 months ago
Sounds like a man 'with a paper asshole".
Maybe it's better that Nietzche is dead. Too much thinking!
Nietzche needs Wagner to play behind his pronounments.
He was probably considered a great thinker at the time.
But times have changed.
He had an interesting approach to women. Understood
seduction as well as Andrew Weiner. But then again,
nobodies perfect.
fntime 8 months ago
@fntime gee willickers, how the fuck did you get so clever?
HammarHeart 7 months ago
fntime 7 months ago
what a monotonious reading!
ruzickaw 8 months ago
unconfident*
MegaBEANER1000 9 months ago
@AwokenSpirit Why must you twist others words are you that confident of your own ideas?
MegaBEANER1000 9 months ago
@MegaBEANER1000 Because his/her ideas are weak in foundation.
HybridD91 9 months ago
Does it not seem to anyone else, that it is terribly ironic that Ravi should pull this passage from Zarathustra and use it only to reaffirm Christianity?
Peteromich 10 months ago
@Peteromich I find it hilarious. Ravi is one of the most dishonest and pretentious apologists I've seen. He's up there with dinesh d'souza.
Drgamedood 9 months ago
Next on the list: Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
derman077 11 months ago
Don't bother. This evangelist (Ravi) is also heard on Chicago's WMBI, the radio station for the Moody Bible Institute.
visvaldisX 11 months ago
Boring reading. Too monotonous.
ruzickaw 11 months ago
An experiment with the Master's poem "Der Freigeist" can be watched here:
watch?v=EGvzr_HBihk
OR search for:
Friedrich Nietzsche - Der Freigeist (Abe's Modern Low Remix)
Hope you like it! Hope he would have liked it...
NoPussyfication 11 months ago
HA! Ravi thinks this is about atheism.
jacobromu 11 months ago
@jacobromu mwa ahhahahahahahah, good one!!!
Immortal4261 11 months ago
Concerning modest, simple Christianity however, consisting of those who simply wish to follow it modestly, and actually follow the new testament gospels according to (perhaps solely theses tenants ->)the basic tenants, of love God, and neighbour. Such seems to be proper, and indeed perhaps good for a people, or individual.
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@TheBaneOfAmbiguity13 *My Old Account, 'TheBaneOfAmbiguity',
I recant of what I said about the traditional Catholic faith and religion, in concerns to it being a negative, or painful presence on the Earth; I was confused, decieved, but most of all maliciously foolish. The traditional Catholic Faith, and Religion, is a necessary religion and faith, and is the only hope for humanity in this present age.
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Part 1.
I recant of what I said about the traditional Catholic faith and religion, in concerns to it being a negative, or painful presence on the Earth; I was confused, decieved, but most of all maliciously foolish. The traditional Catholic Faith, and Religion, is a necessary religion and faith, and is the only pure, and redeeming hope for humanity in this present age...
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@MarcouA3 Faith and hope, in the traditional Catholic Faith, and Religion, is the only pure, and redeeming hope for humanity in this present age...
MarcouA3 20 hours ago
@TheBaneOfAmbiguity13 Part 2.
But I am not worthy to speak upon it at all, or with authority, therefore I will conclude swiftly...
As for this religion of Nietzsche, in that God is dead, making all life meaningless , it is madness - and most of all, a Lie.
MarcouA3 2 days ago
What is absolutely clear now however, beyond any reasonably doubt: Is that the Traditional Catholic religion has been an incredibly painful presence on the earth, in correction of any previous support I showed it. As history alone, let alone its negatively coercive dogma, shows it to be decadent, arrogant in it's own declared merit, and vulgar in it's great splendour. -- Such a Christianity is the negative one I speak of, and should be fought, and resisted; it would be noble to do so.
TheBaneOfAmbiguity13 11 months ago
!Conclusion
Despite this, there ought to be a God, or gods.
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!Part Three! Concerning Christian religion (traditional Protestant, traditional Catholic, modern Christian, or some odd sects):
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However, it is worth noteing, that there are two faces to Traditional Christianity: A negative face, and a postive face, and there have been thinkers who have clearly noticed the struggle between the two, and indeed, the seemingly unlimited ammount of contraditictions in the history of Christian religion because of these two sides of the religion: the Positive, and Negative sides. Are they in a constant battle? Is one right, and the other wrong - absolutely speaking? ...
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There ought to be a God, or gods.
TheBaneOfAmbiguity88 1 year ago
Always be wary of the poison of traditional negative Christianity. And do not succumb to the conformist pressure of modern 'trendy' Atheism.
TheBane33 1 year ago
Therefore, while one has been fighting hard against present cruelties, abuses, and indeed evils, of a dominant Atheistic religion in the world, fighting in the frontline for a Christian religion, one eventually may come to see the cruelties, and seemingly evils of the Christian religion. A choice may be made to continue fighting, for that old religion, rejecting ones conscience, or join the frontline of the present dominant one. Or one may take the nobler route, and fight them both
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Christian religion may be poison. Modern Present Scientific 'Trendy' Atheism is fatal.
Where is God? He certaintly is not dead, but he may be hiding. I don't blame him.
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Christian religion may be poison. Modern Present Scientific 'Trendy' Atheism is fatal.
Where is God? He certaintly is not dead, but he may be hiding. I don't blame him.
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Christian religion may be poison. Modern Present Scientific 'Trendy' Atheism is fatal.
Where is God? He certaintly is not dead, but he may be hiding. I don't blame him.
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But then again, what do I know. However, I will state finally: Damned be conformists. "What will it gain a man to gain the whole world, at the price of his soul?" Christ
TheBane35 1 year ago
Therefore, while one has been fighting hard against present cruelties, abuses, and indeed evils, of a dominant Atheistic religion in the world, fighting in the frontline for a Christian religion, one eventually may come to see the cruelties, and seemingly evils of the Christian religion. A choice may be made to continue fighting, for that old religion, rejecting ones conscience, or join the frontline of the present dominant one. Or one may take the nobler route, and fight them both
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God is dead, or at least so mightily wounded, and his vanguard so dispersed, that all he has left surrounding him, are the useful idiots with bloody knives to finish the job, and cults of foul people, to bring him to despair.
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God is dead, or at least so mightily wounded, and his vanguard so dispersed, that all he has left surrounding him, are the useful idiots with bloody knives to finish the job, and cults of foul people, to bring him to despair.
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@TheBane35 God is dead, or at least so mightily wounded, and his vanguard so dispersed, that all he has left surrounding him, are the useful idiots with bloody knives to finish the job, and cults of foul people, to bring him to despair.
TheBane35 1 year ago
God aside, if there be one, all Christianity is poison, be it Protestant, Evangelical, Traditional Catholic, or any any sect or cult, or at least seemingly poison from my experience, which can mean destructive poisoning, or hypnotic poisoning, which can lead to destruction, or the like. And indeed, perhaps Christianity, is simply Wrong. Be on your guard, be wary.
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@TheBane44 Well, that post was certainly not entirely true, as firstly my 'experience' is limited to only a few of those declared facets of Christianity, and my experience may very well still be mixed with great ignorance. Yet, concerning rejecting Christianity, and indeed even rejecting God: Always be wary in rejecting these things, and possibly along with it, previous love, or discipline, you do not become a slave to things outside yourself, seeking to find yourself.
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God aside, if there be one, all Christianity is poison, be it Protestant, Evangelical, or Traditional Catholic, or at least seemingly poison. And indeed perhaps simply Wrong. Be on your guard, be wary.
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God aside, if there be one, all Christianity is poison, be it Protestant, Evangelical, or Traditional Catholic, or at least seemingly poison. And indeed perhaps simply Wrong. Be on your guard, be wary.
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All Christianity is poison, be it Protestant, Evangelical, or Traditional Catholic, all is poison, and wrong. Be on your guard.
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God is dead, or at least so mightily wounded, and his vanguard so dispersed, that all he has left surrounding him, are the useful idiots with bloody knives to finish the job, and cults of foul people, to bring him to despair.
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@TheBane44 All Christianity is poison, be it Protestant, Evangelical, or Traditional Catholic, all is poison, and wrong. Be on your guard.
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@TheBane44 Nevermind God; All Christianity is poison, be it Protestant, Evangelical, or Traditional Catholic, all is poison, and wrong. Be on your guard.
TheBane44 1 year ago
God is dead, but, we have not become gods, nor shall we become gods. That destiny has already been taken by the scum, and wolves who had the honour in the past, of being declared the favourites of God. Now, what shall We do? What mighty acts of valour, or great deeds are not yet done to awaken a fire in the few wretches in this world who desire glory, and are worthy of it? Travel for fulfilment? Wander for distraction? Die for liberation? Pah.
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@TheBaneOfAmbiguity44 Nevermind God; All Christianity is poison, be it Protestant, Evangelical, or Traditional Catholic, all is poison, and wrong. Be on your guard.
TheBane44 1 year ago
F.N was a genius but he never knew God
blopajmbar62 1 year ago
Religion is poison.
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TheBaneOfAmbiguity03 1 year ago
@TheBaneOfAmbiguity0 Maybe, and maybe not. Maybe the problem with religion is only bad theologians. Traditional religion certaintly isnt more foul, than the religion of Modern Atheism, and Good religion may be the only hope for a return to virtue, for mankind as a whole. I dont know... There ought to be a Good God.
TheBaneOfAmbiguity03 1 year ago
@TheBaneOfAmbiguity03 well its pretty obvious that even if there was one, he is not good, even evil. . Thankfully there is no God, I wouldnt even worship nor choose to beleive even if there was, Their acts are cruel.
2ndBestAllTime 1 year ago
Or better yet, having Faith in that which is beautiful is need for the soul, especially those unlucky enough to be born into a world, void of beauty, and determinned to do away with all that is natural, and indeed, good. Be wary of fundamental religion, with crude theology, and theologians, along with modern psychiatric thought, with its oppressive doctrine. Have Faith.
Marco
TheBaneOfAmbiguity0 1 year ago
As a final transmission, a rather crude way to put it. Be wary of fundamental religion, along with its crude, and blunt theology, and theologians. And be wary of modern psychiatric thought, with its oppressive doctrine, which makes it very similar to fundamental religion, both oppressive, both drivel. They have both made my life very difficult, dont let the same happen to you. Conserning Faith, however, I would recommend this, having Faith in that which is beautiful, is needed in this world.
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Seek out what is beautiful, put little or no importance for what is evil, save your hate. Do battle with those who seek to oppress your soul, be they theologian, or modern intellectual. And, perhaps, love a God of Hope, and not a God of Fear, and oppression. Sadly however, it appears that a Devil has taken the place of the Good God, and surrounded himself, with crude theologians, and cruel moderns. Nietzsche was a decent, and honest man, thus, he was hated, and slandered, by religous and moderns
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these so-called resurrected dead, who will be nothing other than the devil under these faces, will preach another Gospel contrary to that of the true Christ Jesus, denying the existence of heaven, if these be not in fact the souls of the damned. All these souls will appear joined to their bodies." APPARITION of the BLESSED VIRGIN on the Mountain of
LA SALETTE the 19th of September, 1846
Traditional* Catholic Prophecy.
Be wary, be vigilent. This man's philosophy will destroy a soul.
PathWellTrodden 1 year ago
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PathWellTrodden1 1 year ago
@PathWellTrodden Take what you want from that, if you want, be wary in reading it obviously. Marc.
PathWellTrodden1 1 year ago
@PathWellTrodden Religion aside however; if one can manage to live life, simply, morally, and honourably, then in my opinion, they have lived life perfectly. I don't understand why make life complicated with Nietzsche philosophy, or even religious extreme philosophy. In either case, be it modern intellectuals dictating philosophy, or what is 'true', or whether it is mentally psychotic, self righteous, religious authoritarians, dictating what is 'true', they both do the same thing.
PathWellTrodden2 1 year ago
@PathWellTrodden Part 2.
They both do the same thing, perhaps commit the same crime. They arrogantly, place their unqualified hands into the minds of individuals, and begin controlling the way an individual looks at everything in life, until they can truly support their claim of there being no 'Free Will', because they stole it! Concerning my little philosophy then, I can sum it up as this -- Save your soul, by living free, morally, true, and perhaps above all, simply.
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@PathWellTrodden Part 3
Simplicity, humility, love. The three keys to life, which all the modern intellectuals, and some, or all, of the extreme religious authoritarians of the past, and present, never found, or perhaps, maliciously never gave to the common folk, under their mind control. Only the humble, and sincere will spare these keys to one another. There is free will, "... Leave reason, faith, and conscience all our own." Oliver Goldsmith.
PathWellTrodden2 1 year ago
Mélanie interpolated here: "That is to say, these dead will assume the prospect of righteous souls who once lived on earth, in order to seduce men more easily;
PathWellTrodden 1 year ago
People will be transported form one place to another by these evil spirits, and even priests, because they will not have lived by the good spirit of the gospel, which is a spirit of humility, charity and zeal for the glory of God. The dead and the just will be made to rise."
PathWellTrodden 1 year ago
"Bad books will abound over the earth, and the spirits of darkness will everywhere spread universal relaxation in everything concerning God's service: they will have very great power over nature; there will be churches to serve these spirits...
PathWellTrodden 1 year ago
Forgive the folly at the end of my long comment ramble, and forgive my seeming madness, it is perhaps fitting for the Parable of a Madman. Where is God? Seek Him, elsewhere than the modern world, a world which drives men mad, seek Him in the traditional old orders, and cultures of Man.
TheBaneOfAmbiguity33 1 year ago
@TheBaneOfAmbiguity33 The fact that you see the idea of consciousness reduced to biology as hopeless is very telling. An intellectually honest person should accept the TRUTH first, and worry about its implications after accepting it. Where is the soul if not in the brain? No where we can prove in this life: in reality. The danger in philosophy is that an argument/idea can be logically sound even when its premise is flawed. thats where fact (science) becomes essential.
jimmymot 1 year ago
@TheBaneOfAmbiguity33 i guess what i'm saying is that the mistakes the scientific community makes is all in the direction of progress, and the evils science has given us are matched by those of theology. And what has theology really given us but psuedo-science? i dont mean that in an insulting way, but in a literal way: many people believe theology was a kind of primitive science, the human mind trying to understand our world, and our place in it.
jimmymot 1 year ago
Forgive me folks, what a mad rant. There is reason in it however. But, by God, I really went off the deep end at places, in distress. My apologies, I have become like this madman, screaming, "Where is God?" Hopefully a loveing God does exist, or gods, for that matter.
TheBaneOfAmbiguiity 1 year ago
@TheBaneOfAmbiguiity and, that is why i dont judge you for seeking god, as i sought god, and as every man seeks god, or something to make sense of it all, to hope for. but it reminds me of a story Douglas Adams told of a puddle which I shall subsequent post, and which I feel sums up the necessity for an objective/scientific basis for our philosophical pursuits....
jimmymot 1 year ago
@TheBaneOfAmbiguiity Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!'
jimmymot 1 year ago
@jimmymot This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.'
-douglas adams
jimmymot 1 year ago
@jimmymot Thank you for the very polite, long, response. I will finally end then, by simply saying: 'I hope it will rain again soon.' Whether it is naive, folly, or both, to wish for rain, or to wish for what is left of this 'puddle' to dry up, I know not. However, my own 'soul', or 'brain', is wary of letting what is left of meaning, dry up, and vanish, leaving only the present modern sphere, specifically the scientific sphere, to define what is true, or untrue.
TheBaneOfAmbiguityy 1 year ago
@jimmymot And to end with a quote, as you have, I will quote Oliver Goldsmith, from his poem, 'The Traveller'. However, I am most likely using this passage quite out of context, and completely inappropriately, in comparison to the poem, I will dare, and use it none the less. Also, such a passage, may very well be used against both, theology, and modern science authority. All, in all, I just like the quote, Ha. "... Leave reason, faith, and conscience all our own." Oliver Goldsmith.
TheBaneOfAmbiguityy 1 year ago
What I have written may be complete wisdom, or folly, or perhaps a mixture of both. An ambiguous mess, perhaps, for the Bane of Ambiguity. Ha. May the sincere seeker, with a pure heart, learn, and discover true 'truth.'
TheBaneOfAmbiguityF 1 year ago
And I will add, I am scrupulous, concerning whether such rambling can be for good or for ill. Therefore, be wary even in reading my writings, I fear it has not been written while in a state of grace; simply, rambling, thinking, and reasoning, in a state of distress and slight madness on my part. Good luck, God bless, in your seeking for truth. What terrible devils I wrestle with, good luck.
TheBaneOfAmbiguityF 1 year ago
I will confess however, out of a need, and fear, to be truthful; that all I have wrote, has been in a distressed state, seeking what is true. Thus, I have committed the fault of seeking to aid another, while 'having a branch in my own eye.' Be careful reading what I have written, in a biblical, or theological manner, I am not a scholar concerning Catholic dogma. And think upon the reasoning I have brought forth, if you wish, which has been the main purpose of my rambling, thinking, and writing.
TheBaneOfAmbiguityF 1 year ago
Damned is Man, for, he has lost his soul, and has spat upon his ancestors, nailing the placard, 'Folly', on their heads, if only for their natural philosophies, and their natural belief in God. As Nietzsche said, the Tree of Knowledge, and the Tree of Life, are not one in the same. Modern's keep ravaging the Tree of Knowledge, taking all its fruit, be it good or evil, while leaving the Tree of Life to the humble, the 'weak', the 'unintelligent'. Very well, I will take my fruit from the Good Tree
TheBaneOfAmbiguity8 1 year ago
Where is God? Hidden from those who are unworthy to witness, and see Him. Where is God? Resting in whatever remnants of natural civilisation which remain. Where is God? Is he in the industrial godless wasteland, which makes up many of our lives? No, he is not here -- without God, we have made Hell on Earth, with our pursuit for Heaven on Earth being declared vain, and stupid.
TheBaneOfAmbiguity8 1 year ago
Pah, godless philosophies are gods in themselves, filled with occult impulses, once one accepts them. What madness: Athiests, who claim that there is no God, or gods, become slaves to that which is, indeed, outside themselves. Maliciousness, pride, contempt for fellow man, arrogance, are the only ultimate product waiting for one who follows godless philosophy, sincerily. If one does not become these things, then they never followed it truthfully, and firmly. Ignore me, or ignore me not.
TheBaneOfAmbiguity8 1 year ago
Or take heed to what I have said, in a horde of comments, which put these relativist philosophies to the test, through what it claims, arrogantly, only for itself; namely, Reason.
TheBaneOfAmbiguity8 1 year ago
so?
alessandroiscool 1 year ago
@alessandroiscool So, there may very well be a God, and he may very well be a good God, who has made man, with the purpose to become like Him, and One with Him. Philosophers seem to have missed this in the past centuries: That it is vain, and folly to seek to become a 'god'. It is the key to life, to pursue fulfillment, and truth, with this aim, to become like God, and one with Him, at this.
TheBaneOfAmbiguity7 1 year ago
@alessandroiscool This journey requires humility, something modern philosophy, modern science, modern society, modern culture, is lacking almost completely. I have received a comment, which said something like, 'Nietzsche was against following the herd', well, then do not follow the modern, present, herd then, and seek God, something which almost none are doing any longer; sincerely, truly. It is finished.
TheBaneOfAmbiguity7 1 year ago
@alessandroiscool But then again, im not a theologian, or a wise, or holy man; best to ignore me.
TheBaneOfAmbiguity8 1 year ago
@alessandroiscool Or perhaps you should take heed to I, the Madman, as I have delved deep for you.
TheOddMadman 1 year ago
@alessandroiscool What am I talking about? I have not lied, I just don't know how to believe in the traditional God, or traditional Catholic God.
TheBaneOfAmbiguity33 1 year ago
Dear Fundie who posted this video,
"atheistic worldview"
There's no such thing. Atheists are very different individuals with no unifying worldview or philosophy.
"Atheism•a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods" -that is all
Talking about "God is dead and we have killed him" Has nothing to do with atheism. A god would have to be real in order to kill him. Atheists don't hate god, no, that would be stupid, about as sane as hating Santa Claus, another fictional entity.
PyrotechnicAnarchy 1 year ago
But then again, what do I know? Good luck in your seeking of 'truth'.
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GreekNietzschean 1 year ago
To finally conclude. I have gone slightly mad, in my pursuit to find meaning, and absolute truth, while delving into Nietzsche's philosophy at the same time; and it seems to me, to conclude, that I cannot find any other absolute truth, other than, there is a God, and his character is absolute, which may be the foundation for virtue, morality, and the meaning of life. Where is God? Well, that it up to you, to seek...
TheBaneOfAmbiguity3 1 year ago
@TheBaneOfAmbiguity3 god is not an absolute because there is no proof for him or the supernatural. math is the only thing absolute - it is the only science that is 100% provable, without relying on our own subjective experience. i used to believe in god, and then mysticism, because i craved truth, the ultimate truth. but do you want to risk living a lie to avoid accepting an incomplete truth that stings? you seem invested in truth or i wouldn't bother. but read the god delusion.
jimmymot 1 year ago
@jimmymot Part 2.
To be more clear, I did not try to prove Morality, as a law in Nature, which God placed. I simply tried to make the observation that perhaps God's character is the ultimate absolute truth concerning these things. If this is so, then Nietzsche, who I like to think pursued virtue, and his own morality; that this pursuit is very natural and healthy. Concerning, this pursuit natural pursuit in modern society, it is difficult. t
Furthermore, concerning
TheBaneOfAmbiguity7 1 year ago
@jimmymot Part 3
Why is it difficult? Because like the comment you made, we are a society which is consumed by "science that is 100% provable", this then eliminates the spiritual field completely, something that Nietzsche never dared try, even being a claimed athiest. Such a comment is dangerous, as this world order we are living under, in the West, is poisonous, if only that it is so opposed to nature, and therefore, the God of Nature.
TheBaneOfAmbiguity7 1 year ago
@jimmymot Part 4
I hope I have not strayed off topic; however, this is what is on my mind. If we are to pursure this 'tree of life', which Nietzsche made the comparison as being different from the scientific, 'tree of knowledge', then we must oppose this world order consumed by, 'fact', and '100% science', and pursue this, 'tree of life'.
TheBaneOfAmbiguity7 1 year ago
@jimmymot Part 5
Yet, thinking more upon it, if God, is the author of nature, then perhaps his character, or perhaps better defined, His own Nature, is written in nature (or perhaps, defines nature absolutely?). Therefore, if morality, virtue, and God, are not proven scientifically, as physical laws of nature (which aids nothing in the pursuit of higher living), then perhaps they may be proven spiritually, but, that is if one even believes the spirit, as something true.
TheBaneOfAmbiguity7 1 year ago
@jimmymot Part 6
Be wary you do not fall into modern thinking, it seems to be consumed with that which is the new religion, which is mainly, everything can be defined, and judged as physical, and therefore, even metaphysical thought, and just a biological reaction in the brain -- what hopelessness.
TheBaneOfAmbiguity7 1 year ago
@jimmymot Part 6
Be wary you do not fall into modern thinking, it seems to be consumed with that which is the new religion, which is mainly, everything can be defined, and judged as physical, and therefore, even metaphysical thought, and just a biological reaction in the brain -- what hopelessness.
TheBaneOfAmbiguity7 1 year ago
@TheBaneOfAmbiguity7 You warn me to be wary of modern thinking, the potential "new religion" of science, and its obsession with 100% provable truth. Yet, what is beautiful about scientific thinking is its commitment to truth. Science will never be religion because good skepticism opposes faith. You sound a lot like the post-enlightenment thinkers, who rightfully grew concerned when painful truths begin to emerge. But we understand these things better now, so we cannot simply choose to ignore em
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TheBaneOfAmbiguity7 1 year ago
@jimmymot I spelled wrongly one critical word in that last post, I wrote "and just a biological reaction in the brain...", I meant to write, "AS just a biological reaction in the brain..." I was showing what I believe, modern thinking 'thinks', concerning spirit, and even metaphysical thought. Modern thinking (according to me, perhaps others) believes biological reactions in the brain, and nothing more. Personally I despise this modern definition, and I prefer to believe in the Spirit of Man.
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TheOddMadman 1 year ago
Be wary in reading my comments, I fear I may of fallen into ambiguity myself; judge yourself, read carefully, or don't read at all.
However, if you do not read, then I will simply state this, my argument was focused upon finding meaning in virtuous living, higher life, and attempting to prove that foundation is necessary, specifically a foundation of God.
According to Nietzsche's philosophy, there is no meaning, I attempt to offer another path, free of religious dogma, simply faith.
Marco
TheBaneOfAmbiguity1 1 year ago