If you want to see some scary shlt that John had to deal with in the late 70's, go to the FBI web site & search John Lennon & look at the letters he was getting from Puerto Rican terrorists in '77 & 78 etc., trying to extort $100,000 from him & threatening his life ......
Neither of us work for the US govt in intelligence so I guess its safe to say neither of us know crap about any of this...the only "evidence" you are referring to is what the govt released so that aint saying much. Missing the point here...John Lennon is still dead. Who really cares what color underwear Chapman was wearing the night he gunned him down? Doesnt really matter does it. Lets at least agree on that.
@spm1021 You're obviously ignorant and haven't read any of the necessary material on this needed to have a credible opinion. You're obviously clueless about Bresler's and Strongman's investigations and evidence.
John Lennon 4-ever!!! If powerful forces did kill him (which I'm starting to believe, more and more, that they did) then they certainly went through WAY more trouble to make it look like a lone gunman than they did for JFK. John Lennon had the best mouth on him that people really responded to and he was that rare member of the gravy-train to speak out against all war. Reagan and Bush would NOT have stood a chance against John Lennon's mouth...I'll have to check out that Bresler book...
The FBI believed he actually had influence..thus a FBI folder.what I find entertaining is people believe by adding alot of words to their comments it somehow makes them appear smarter than they are. example I believe it is outrageous that you are suggesting that somehow this will all come out in the wash if we percieve others emotions as our own and simultaneously self destruct with our words....in closing many are trusting in the belief that...get my point Einstein?
@spm1021 I think you are fooling yourself that the load of irrelevant talk you just entered does anything to answer the real facts of this case. You're just making some kind of incoherent remark that avoids what we are talking about. Lennon's death has a clear pattern similar to that exposed in Bresler and Strongman's books and other assassinations like RFK's. You have nerve thinking you have a legitimate position when you aren't capable of discussing it by means of the direct evidence.
John was a great man that put his life on the line (unknowingly) by playing an intellectual game with the media & government whilst promoting peace. When you talk about destruction, don't you know that you can count me out, in!!!
It was just after he made his comeback with Double Fantasy he would have been trying to help make the world a better place again. The government tried to deport him & failed, he was persecuted by them & eventually assassinated. Imagine someone killing a humanist it's a sick selfish world we live in especially without John Lennon
Toodles exposes his troll status with ad hominem flames that don't really answer the point. Credible people will speak directly of the evidence like the discrepancies in Chapman's airline tickets and the pattern of intel destruction of records. Toodles gives his troll status away by boasting victory while being visibly unable to address these basic points. The ticket forgery is something that could only be done at the intel level. Toodles goes right to ad hominem because he can't answer that.
@NeilFraudstrong Yes Chris, listen to this kid who went on record that if JL was shot in 72, Nixon would have lost the election. He also thinks the limo not showing 12/8/80 was a CIA op as opposed to being late. And if you have the sense to disagree with him, he lashes out at you like a 10 year old but expects to be taken seriously. I will say he has provided some entertainment, so it's not a total loss.
Some kids just shouldn't be allowed near their parents' computer.
I think we can ignore Toodles now. A look at the bigger picture shows Lennon was on a serious COINTELPRO list and was considered an enemy of the state by covert powers in the US gov't. A return to CIA power was about to occur under Reagan with the Contra war. Lennon proved to be a powerful anti-war figure and embodied the anti-Viet Nam era. Chapman was another Sirhan-type Manchurian Candidate and had a suspicious YMCA World Vision background with intel interface as shown by Bresler.
@Exiles800 No. He worked for World Vision/YMCA. FB's evidence for a YMCA-intel link is scant & regarded foreign countries. An MDC-intel link wasn't found, just assumed, which you don't get. MDC applied to USSR & was denied - couldn't speak the lingo. If he had connections they'd have trained him in advance. Scant missing records don’t mean an intel link & internal memos stated surveillance ended 72 because they were wasting their time. Cointelpro was done, Nixon was disgraced. Yawn.
@Toodlem You're just a troll speaking out your ass and wasting our time stringing along excuses. As long as you can't explain the airline ticket forgeries you're just offering patronizing contempt with your pants down and balls hanging out.
@Exiles800 The best is the thank you's I've received from YT'ers for making you look like the ill-mannered ill-bred ass you are. Ad hominem? You can't write without calling me a troll. Still getting everything backwards, loser. You're allergic to views other than your own ignorance & can’t articulate beyond 3rd grade levels. You can't accept MC was nuts & craved fame & accomplishment. It's too simple for you to understand. The CIA keeping the limo away makes more sense. LOL.
You didn't answer the point about the airline tickets. The fact you tried to replace that with besides-the-point, off-topic ad hominem trolling says all anyone needs to know. Thank you for showing us in loud terms what an arrogant ass you are incapable of directly addressing the evidence. If you can't seriously and respectfully address the real evidence Bresler discussed, like the airlines tickets, you're just an annoying, pathetic troll. You wear your claims of "winning" like an asses crown.
FBI did indeed bug the Dakota during the early 70's when Lennon was out marching with the anti-Nixon Abbie Hoffman crowd. Once he did that he got himself on a deep FBI blacklist that once you're on you don't get off. You need to read Phil Strongman and his research into Lennon's FBI files. He found that although FBI claimed to back-off Lennon under Carter there was indication another US gov't agency was continuing the surveillance. If you take the gov't at its word you live in a fool's paradise
anything is possible here, with the exception of MDC being a "spook operative". If anyone had a beef with Lennon it was the FBI (Nixon and Hoover to be exact). neither of which were "spooks"..just to clarify so that you dont sound like a bunch of fucking conspiracy idiots, spooks dont operate on American soil, thats what those 'G-men clowns' were / are for. However, the spooks could have picked him up on their radar while looking into American involvement with the troubles in Northern Ireland.
@ianmshipp "Spooks don't operate on US soil". Ha ha ha! Yeah right. You have real credibility. That's just meaningless semantics being used to evade the obvious. The modus operandi of a Manchurian Candidate assassin is purely of the domain of the greatest depth of CIA's spook operations. You're the one who sounds like an idiot if you don't understand how meaningless your point is in relation to that.
It's amazing how clueless people are from the comments. A sure sign Lennon was assassinated by CIA is the fact the limousine didn't show at 5pm forcing Lennon out onto the sidewalk in front of CIA Manchurian Candidate Chapman. Sirhan's lawyers are now pressing for his release based on such hypnotic programming. If you bothered to read Fenton Bresler's book 'Who Killed John Lennon?' you would see he found damning evidence that was never followed-through on. Do some research comments dummies.
John caught a ride with the RKO radio crew whose car was already there. The limousine that Yoko had called for was not there which is why they went to the studio with the RKO radio crew.
@NeilFraudstrong I read in Bresler that Lennon's limousine never showed. At that point the media crew offered them a ride. I believe CIA had bugs in the Dakota and knew their Manchurian Candidate was in place on the sidewalk. Chapman failed to shoot at 5pm because he was distracted by his new women friends and his programming wasn't strong enough to overcome it. Later on when he was alone with no distractions his programming took over. There's no doubt about it Lennon was a CIA black op.
The key is the media then and now, when they have programs about lennon they never ever say one word about Lennon being a peace activist.
The media in the United States is controlled by the CIA, the media says Oswald killed because he"was a nobody so he killed a somebody who was really big" Watch the american Justice on Utube about Lennon, they say the same thing about Lennon's killer. That is a major lie, Lennon's killer never wanted fame.
@045781 Which proves what a bullshit scam America is. They brag this is a place of truth, but as the Lennon case shows the media is fatally corrupted by CIA pigs and their elitist cronies. Thank God for people like 045781. Otherwise these clowns like Toodles would be seen as unopposed. The prevailing reality is the CIA corruption spoken of here. Once Lennon's assassination is seen in this correct light you understand the Oswald propaganda used to hide it is a pure sign of their involvement.
And don't make the mistake of thinking that is unintentional. CIA wants you to know they did it albeit by indirect plausible denial. Unlike shallow troll Toodles, like Strongman, I've studied these events deeply. Just as Chapman was making an indirect claim in his allusion to 'Catcher' these overt examples of psy-ops propaganda to demean "conspiracy theorists" is a subtle way for intel to claim responsibility. What they are saying is "Yes we did it and we see it as justified" by invisible law.
Also remember when Lennon's killer went to Ga. to get those bullets, why hasn't the media investigated that guy who gave him the bullets.
The media says he was a childhood friend so he gave him the bullets. Also look at the money trail, how could a young man afford to travel so much on a security guard salary in 1980.
@045781Dana Reeves, the Georgia deputy sherrif, also picked Chapman up at the World Vision camp in Arkansas after Chapman dealt with CIA-trained refugees escaping from Viet Nam. There's a screaming trail of covert involvement in Chapman's background that went uninvestigated after Bresler exposed it. Chapman had the classic sheep-dipping route through Russia and Lebanon exactly like Lee Harvey Oswald. They never found Chapman's grandmother for interview and corroboration of the travel dates-Why?
CIA has total control of media, so that after Bresler book, not one person in the media ever followed up on the information uncovered by Bresler. There is no freedom of the media in the United United, that is for sure.CIA always has the assassins fly in from out of town that is CIA pattern in all polictical assassations in the United States. Funny how any news program on Lennon never ever mentions his assasin's being in CIA infested camp in Arkansas.No mention of CIA ties, why?
CIA has total control of media, so that after Bresler book, not one person in the media ever followed up on the information uncovered by Bresler. There is no freedom of the media in the United States that is for sure.CIA always has the assassins fly in from out of town that is CIA pattern in all polictical assassations in the United States. Funny how any news program on Lennon never ever mentions his assasin's being in CIA infested camp in Arkansas.No mention of CIA ties, why?
@Exiles800 This nut continues to argue this nonsense even after I buried him with his own ignorance at another JL vid on YT. A late limo becomes a CIA op and he thinks the CIA bugged the Dakota with zero evidence. The CIA then brainwashed MDC into a murderer in 3 days. All this is "proven" because of an airline ticket discrepancy. And he calls anyone who doesn't buy it dumb (or worse). Nevermind that MDC had a history of mental illness & craved fame but couldn't deal with his own insignificance.
For the record, the FBI did tap his phone and follow him, but this was in the early 70s when he was at the height of his activism. The idea that he would be murdered by the government which, by the way, was still under Carter's administration at the time of John's murder, is absurd. His comeback was 110% apolitical. He was releasing an album about finding himself through his family and finding small pleasures in life. He wasn't coming back with Some Time in NYC Part 2.
@NeilFraudstrong Chris, I agree 100%. Go here if you’d like some entertainment... youtube.com/watch?v=L0wDnz3Fjrk. Exiles and this other juvenile I'm dealing with have as much sense as they do class, and that boggles the mind. I addressed my post to Exiles to make sure he got it, that's all. I knew you and anyone interested would eventually see it.
@NeilFraudstrong This is pure ignorance of US intel and its practices. These comments are foolish and deny the more than established practices of US intel at the time. All these writings are self-exposing for anyone who has done any deep research into intel. The suggestion that intel let-up during Carter is laughable and ignores the ongoing plans under the nascent electee Reagan. The more Toodles blusters the more obvious it becomes that he hasn't said anything but ignorant trolling sass.
@Neil But that's just Neil saying so. If you look at the actual evidence those who have studied US intel deeply would recognize intel's operational status at the time which was a desperate comeback from the restrictions of Carter and the anti-CIA/Viet Nam culture in the US. The nascent electee Reagan was about to rubber stamp the CIA covert wars in Central America. Hardly "absurd". To ever refer to Lennon as being "apolitical" is something that automatically destroys one's credibility.
@Neil I suggest you research intel and its paranoia and actions. First, Lennon was getting involved in a San Francisco workers strike. That's political. Secondly, what matters here is what intel thought and acted on. Lennon was one of many high-profile assassinations, including the Kennedy's, King, and many others. You have to do this through the evidence shown in 'Who Killed John Lennon?' It shows the firm fingerprint of intel. Toodles is just a silly troll.
@BarryDennen12 Don't forget who was vice president. Reagan was shot with a low caliber 22 handgun. Lennon was shot with hollow-point bullets intended to kill. Reagan just needed to be gotten out of the way or disabled. Both lone nut psychos had copies of 'Catcher In The Rye' that would sent the message who was in charge. You need to educate yourself on the people who killed the Kennedy's and what kind of psycho CIA Technical Services Division creepy hypno assassin tactics they employed.
Education's awesome! I'm educated enough to know that there hasn't been a theory about the Lennon shooting yet that didn't hinge on some kind of fallacy or fiction. I'm all for new information, of course, but if a theory doesn't hold up to even average scrutiny, then why should anyone take it seriously?
@BarryDennen12 The truth is in the facts. None of which you present while according yourself credibility. Fenton Bresler found evidence that Chapman actually flew from Honolulu on the 2nd and not on the 5th as claimed. When Bresler went to confirm this by viewing the Manhattan DA's transportation file on Chapman he was told the file was missing. They said this was unusual. The United ticket counter at Honolulu confirmed to Officer Souza that Chapman flew on the 2nd. CIA hypno-assassinated RFK.
@winstono75 What you wrote is completely ignorant of intel and how they operate. If you think Lennon would have liked Reagan you're a fool who obviously doesn't understand anything about this subject. You're ignorant of intel disinformation and just about everything else associated with this case. Lennon was assassinated by a CIA Technical Services Division decapitation operation in order to keep Lennon from interfering with the CIA's regime changes in Central America and the US. Sydney Gottlieb
@winstono75 Seeing what you've offered, it's amusing seeing you try to speak with credibility. I'm not the fool who suggested Lennon liked Reagan. This is the kind of bullshit those clueless of the evidence dwell on. The proof Lennon was murdered by CIA is in Bresler and Strongman.
Finally, a voice of reason to step in the middle of this madness. John met Reagan with May Pang on December 9th, 1974, when Reagan was the governor of California and both were on Monday Night Football. Reagan had his arm around John and was explaining the intricacies of the game to John and they got on really well on a personal level.
@winstono75 Read about Seaman and his involvement in the forgery and alteration of Lennon's diaries. All part of the psy-ops type campaigns aimed against such political assassination targets. What you are suggesting, despite the obvious, is that Lennon would have been a good bunny and endorsed Reagan's rapacious conservative policies and CIA covert wars. Nice try. If you had any credible studied knowledge you would realize their were covert powers above beyond Reagan that killed Lennon.
@NeilFraudstrong You are promoting a campaign of denial against the obvious. You can't just lurk and pounce in when you have an out of context gotcha point you think you can win. This business deals with very deep stuff that has to do with intel and how they work. I recommend reading Phil Strongman's book and learning a little about covert interests and tactics. You are tryng a strawman which says Reagan killed Lennon or Lennon's friendliness towards Reagan excluded any intel motivations.
I heard Seaman was involved in accessing the diaries that were then manipulated. Whatever the case, you have to understand that this wasn't Lennon vs Reagan it was US vs Lennon and some very wolfish covert powers and their interests. If you had a shrewder sense of this you would understand those same powers used another Catcher In The Rye Lone Nut to try and kill Reagan. You can only legitimately deal with this by the evidence. This requires discussion of Chapman's airline ticket forgeries.
When it comes to Fred, a lot of what you hear about him is false. This is a recurring myth that he edited or somehow schemed to forge elements of John's journal and his own journal, but this is not true. His apartment was burglarized and his own personal journal was stolen and forged with the so called Project Walrus scheme.
@NeilFraudstrong You have to look at it from a cover-up angle. Constantine suggests there were motives to hide something Lennon wrote or insert opportunistic information. This possibly conforms to intel being worried about or doctoring potential information involving a targeted victim. Project Walrus and Rosen could have been this kind of chaos operation. In any case this is secondary to the Bresler evidence.
@NeilFraudstrong I remember when John's comeback was announced and the album would be made with Yoko. I said shit.... Sometime in NYC pt2. I'm glad I was wrong but only got to hear the album pre-death for about 3 weeks ...which really sucked. I remember the most played track on WNEW-FM in NY was I'm Losing you/Movin on. I was suprised they were playing a Yoko track on a top rock station.
@ThisVideoGetsMeMoist Fenton Bresler was an intelligent British solicitor. He wrote a book entitled "Who Killed John Lennon?" in 1989. His evidence says otherwise. I suggest you read it.
@ThisVideoGetsMeMoist No his evidence is real and you don't have any credibility if you confront it that way. You're just another evidence-denying naysayer...
@Exiles800 Yeah cause the U.S. Government was surely afraid John Lennon would overtake the country.....Common...clueless??? You said it....do your homework. I suppose you think 9-11 was an inside job too.
@spm That's dumb and defies the intelligently gathered evidence already established on this. If the US Gov't wasn't afraid then why did they have a COINTELPRO Program designed for exactly that thing? Why did Lennon have an extensive FBI file? Why was Lennon followed and bugged by FBI? Sorry, the entry qualification for this is an intelligent understanding of the background and facts and the ability to discuss Bresler's evidence. You have nerve saying "do your homework" when you obviously haven't
@Exiles800 Thanks for the heads-up on the Bresler book! The hostility towards anyone who believes powerful forces killed John Lennon is funny to me considering how...well, how can anyone say they know for sure when a top secret govt kind of guarantees that nobody knows for sure... If the 'lone gunman' theory (which I no longer believe) were true then what a lucky break it was for Reagan and Bush because they never would've survived Lennon's acid tongue and their supporters had to have known it!
I'm back. I've worked out an app. as to how I'm able to materialize inside a photograph. After I morphed into the photo. I snuck around behind John and snapped Chapmans neck making it impossible for the day after to happen. In that parallel universe,John just went on his way not ever realizing the danger. He told me he is planning on releasing a new album without Yoko ! All hits, no skipping the Yoko tracks ! Yipee !
creepy. chapman's an uber loser, probably one of the most pathetic high profile criminals in history (and i don't feel that way simply because he assassinated lennon). he was just a really lame person with lame delusions of grandeur. shame he survived his half hearted suicide attempt in Hawaii to fulfill his loser destiny. i get the feeling lennon was borderline anorexic towards the end of his life. he looks emaciated
Back around 1990, there was a little TV feature about Paul Goresh and his relationship with Lennon. It had some camp re-enactments, starting with Lennon sort of asking Goresh to 'quit following him', to Goresh and his friend getting into Lennon's house under false pretenses, to eventually Goresh beoming friends with Lennon toward the end of 1980. Had some interviews too. I might still have half of it lying around somewhere, it was taken off Youtube :S
Despite what Paul likes to say, John and Paul Goresh were not friends. John got enraged at him after he broke into his bedroom and he was absolutely livid. Eventually, he calmed down about it and he tolerated him, but he always gave John the creeps. I know that there are pictures of John smiling in photos with him, but John did not care for Paul Goresh at all. This is a myth that has been spread by Paul. Goresh was just as much a stalker as MDC, but with no homicidal plans.
@NeilFraudstrong interesting. I didn't know that and I've seen interviews with Goresh. I'm sure you know that Goesh wanted John to autograph a book for him for days, and only after the murder was he given the book that John signed sometime around 3pm on Dec. 8, 1980.
@Atomicflash500...atomic flash 500. i guess that is supposed to be a joke, it's not funny. it's also very disrespectful to all the people who love john AND his family.
aun no se sabe quien mató a kenedy. Si querian matar John, qué mejor excusa que un loco. Podia haber querido matar a Mick Jagger,Dylan,Bowie,Paul u otros muchos famosos ¿Tenía que ser precisamente Lennon.Da que pensar.
"its" photos & name should not be printed anywhere.You're just feeding this demons rep so it can gain John Lennons fame.That is what the murdering demon wants,& ppl have obliged.Why are ppl letting this happen?I thought John's fans cared about him.This is so wrong on so many diff levels.
Celibrities today need to be very mindful of their surroundings and what they say when on T.V. during interviews. For some reason it does not matter how terrible their movies are or what destructive message almost every movie made today sends, but if celebrities believe that their security people can protect them from some nut job reaching out and touching them, they are wrong, because somethings dont change. And mad men are mad men and they are only getting worse. Pray 4 peace! Dont be a phony.
To answer the people who want to know how it was so easy to lill John, You must remember it was 30 years ago, and it was not hard at all to get near a high profile person. There was no internet or very easy way to locate people, and the guards at the dakota were not trained to keep their mouths shut. Plus lennon himself was a peacenick and believed that no one would ever kill him. Imagine no posessions, which lennon had millions of dollars worth. Chapman killed him for being phony.
@barmtrail If only it were that simple. Lennon was murdered because a madman thought that, by murdering a famous person (Lennon was not his only potential target), he would magically become Holden Caulfield, a fictional character in the book "The Catcher In The Rye". His plan was to kill Lennon and then hold up the book to proclaim to the world that he was, in fact, Holden Caulfield; but he did not carry though with that part of the plan, because the expected transformation did not occur.
Hate to say, but I would be standing in line, even if it was only to watch. I still think this guy was just a patsy. Avoiding the circumstances that night would have just been a delay. The PTB were adamant to neutralize Lennon, one way or another.
When do you think they will let Mark Chapman out? It so ridiculous they keep him in jail for 30 years. I think he would make great judge on american idol cause of his history of music.
I'm guessing you didn't read the part of the video description where I said that I wasn't going to waste time looking for a clip of music for such a short and to the point video.
@TheBobohj - not directed AT you but YOUTUBE won't let me make a comment so I have to reply to something.
The last photo in that Goresh series is a pic of John Lennon standing next to Mark David Chapman right before Chapman shot and killed him. Look how Chapman is looking at John...its so creepy & evil and John has no idea what's about to happen to him...very upsetting & disturbing picture to look at.
@helterskelter1 I didn't realize that. I know Chapman was around earlier in the day and got an autograph, I just didn't realize this photo was from then. I guess since its dark in the photo it looked more like 10:30pm to me. Still, pretty upsetting & disturbing, even 5 hours before it all went down.
@TheBobohj I hate video's of scumshitbag Chappy...If i was the Limo driver, And Knew what was going to take place, No question With a commercial Class A license..Would have Ran him over..And serve 3 or 4 years, After they found the gun on the body, and his meaningless PAST Thought's..But Bush would have found some other way of Stumping him out in a few more years..I'm telling you, This man was Too rare to live, it's sad..
i think John would have been safe living in England, because there it's more difficult to purchase a gun and laws concerning gun control are more strict than in the US. And i dont think the murderer could have passed his gun through airport control. In the US, any moron can buy a gun, and the rate of this type of crimes is much higher than in Britain.
@mazingerZful In Liverpool Lennons birth place it is easy to obtain a gun but it depends on who you know. There are gangs with guns and knives killing each other in Liverpool and innocent people get caught up in this gang war - Rhys Jones was one of these victums. Liverpool is just like the USA now with its gun crime. Manchester is another city with high rates of gun crime as is other parts of England. Over here buying a gun is just like buying a choclate bar it is that easy. Liverpool is unsafe
After John's murder celebrities realised that there are any number of mentally unbalanced individuals that could potentially harm them. That is why these days celebrities employ burly security staff and a whole coterie of 'special advisors' PR consultants, spin doctors etc. An attempt to distance themselves as far as possible from any perceived physical threat or misquoted word.
This all has it's roots with the appalling murder of John Lennon and the relative ease with which it was carried out.
I am sure that there were others, but John's murder is the first that I can recall where a celebrity was murdered by a former fan. I mean, Sharon Tate was murdered because the Manson family wanted to send Terry Melcher a message and they knew the house, but she wasn't the target per se. But John's murder is the first that I can even remotely recall. Rebecca Schaefer is another, but that happened much later.
@NeilFraudstrong Yes, sadly there were many celebrities murdered by 'fans' The hispanic singer Selena. Much-loved British television presenter Jill Dando, George Harrison - fortunately not fatally, and the actress Rebecca Schaeffer (as you have mentioned)
In fact it was Schaeffer's murder in 1989 by a stalker that prompted the passage of anti-stalking laws in California, some 9 years after John Lennon was infamously gunned down in frightening similar circumstances.
@NeilFraudstrong It is hard to believe that by 1980 there wasn't better security. You mentioned the Manson murders. Didn't security immediately improve for celebrities after that? That was more than 11 years before Lennon's murder! What happened? Celebrities were absolutely frightened in Summer of '69. Steve McQueen even carried a gun on him. How on earth was security that lax at the Dakota in December of 1980? I mean, REALLY laxed. To just let some guy stand there for hours and hours for days.
Yes, I mentioned the Manson murders, but it was to say that Sharon Tate was not the intended target per se as Lennon was. Back then, they just didn't think about it. It was just something that wasn't considered. After John was killed, everybody woke up and realized they needed more security.
The Dakota was doing nothing out of the ordinary. People always hung out by The Dakota because many celebrities lived there. There were even some regulars who hung out there every day.
At the time, it was nothing to be concerned about. Plus, the sidewalk in front of The Dakota was a public sidewalk so as long as they weren't leaning on the railings of the building or causing trouble they were free to stay there as long as they wanted.
In hindsight, it makes perfect sense to say, "Wow, how could they just let people hang out there?!", but at the time it just didn't seem odd to the residents or the staff of The Dakota. It was just something they had accepted as normal.
@NeilFraudstrong Interesting. Thanks for your insight. Makes total sense. I know Lauren Bacall and I think Michael Douglas lived there. I've never been able to find comments by them other than Bacall saying "I thought it was a tire backfiring" when asked if she heard anything.
Neil, I bet u couldn't find 100 people on this entire sight that have your factual knowlege of the Manson/Tate murders. When u mentioned that Doris Day's son was the actual intended victim (CM believed TM had rejected him on a record deal), I was certain your opinions were at least based on a correct knowlege of the facts. There's nothing I dislike more than somebody who runs their mouth, when they either don't know or understand the FACTS. Keep up the good work Lad!
People think I just make this stuff up as I go along either because they disagree with my opinions or because I am only 24 or any number of reasons. I have a lot of haters (and I love it). But that being said, I do pride myself on not only having the best material on YouTube related to John, but that I am as factually accurate as possible. I don't think people know how much time I put into my research for this channel. So thank you for your comment, I appreciate it.
@starryian007 I lived in Brooklyn at the time and it was common knowledge if you wanted to see Lennon you could..I thought it was uncool and I was 17 anyways friennds from my high school actually showed up and saw him more than once,,, so sad and all these workings of his demos are so wonderful and the only silveer lining is that his stature for his solo career has risen so much
yeah but unlike celberities today John Lennon was assassinated for a reason, his politcal activism and challenge of american authority and the status quo of the republican party and the NWO led to them programming a killer to silence a man whose goal was to shake to conciousness of the american people. The music of today is trash and nobody is gonna bother wasting money having Shawn Kingstons fat usless ass or the Lil wayne retarboo put on a hit list.
A terribly poignant moment happened when John was taken into Roosevelt Hospital and wheeled past waiting Accident & Emergency patients that night. 'All My Loving' by The Beatles was playing on the radio. It was probable that John was already dead, but if not, it would have been the last thing he ever heard. A song both he and Paul McCartney wrote some 18 years earlier. The first line 'Close your eyes and I'll kiss you, tomorrow I'll miss you.. A very poignant and ultimately heartbreaking moment.
it's creepy to look at those and know that he had no idea what was about to happen. Ofcourse everyone knows now, but in those photos it was just another evening for him.
I think about that all the time. When you look back on the last days, at first you think that the story is already known to all participants. But then sometimes you look at it and go, "Wow. No one had any idea." As you said, it was just another day for John. Going to the studio, giving interviews, promoting the album, signing autographs. Nothing at all out of the ordinary. In hindsight it looks so clear and obvious almost, but every time I see these pictures I am painfully aware.
Makes me sick to see that only a few hours earlier this sick son of a bitch had actually tried to befriend lennon and had actually gotten a signed copy of his album.. UGH!!!!!!
I visited the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame in 2001 when they had a large Lennon Exhibition. They had his glasses with blood still on them in a fortified secure container along with the bag with his clothes that the police gave to Yoko that night. There was an armed guard stationed next to it. I put my face up to the glass and looked right through his glasses.which where really close.to the glass. An experience I'll never forget.
I visited the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame in 2001 when they had a large Lennon Exhibition. They had his glasses with blood still on them in a fortified secure container along with the bag with his clothes that the police gave to Yoko that night. There was an armed guard stationed next to it. I put my face up to the glass and looked right through his glasses.which where really close.to the glass. An experience I'll never forget.
I visited the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame in 2001 when they had a large Lennon Exhibition. They had his glasses with blood still on them in a fortified secure container along with the bag with his clothes that the police gave to Yoko that night. There was an armed guard stationed next to it. I put my face up to the glass and looked right through his glasses.which where really close.to the glass. An experience I'll never forget.
Why are people so crazy about Lennons death, it's like you ask someone, "You know who John Lennon is?" and they say "yeah the guy who got shot?" Stop this nonsence..
you know that photo in which John Lennon is signing copy of Double Fantasy for Mark David Chapman, the quality was purposely downgraded before it got published .. but you can bring it back to original using a photoshop program
This is actually true. I have a version which clearly shows intense detail on John's jacket and everything is much crisper and sharp than in the published versions of the photograph.
The first photo has a very eerie quality to it, not unlike the Shroud of Turin. I knew Paul Goresh had taken at least one other photo (most likely this) besides that famous one, so seeing these is an interesting historical perspective. The photos also adds some poignancy to that day. Here you see John contently carrying on his day, business as usual, not realizing that in a few short hours he would be crossing paths again with that lunatic into the history books.
there is absolutely no chance of chapman ever getting out. he's even kept in solitary IN PRISON because he's such an infamous inmate. how is he going to cope when he gets released? not gonna happen.
I think that John might have forgiven Chapman, had he survived. John had a heart of gold. But, He's screwed either way [jail or freedom] because, there are millions of us John Lennon fans out there, how many fans do you think are out there that wouldn't want to kill this man themselves? Believe me when I say that there are some fans out there that would act on it as soon as this man is set free. If anything, Chapman is probably safer in jail.
@Showtime6688 Only if we let the 'hatemongers' win Love can be just as powerful as hate. Hate is a very destructive emotion and it usually ends up as just that - destroying itself.
Whenever I despair, I remember that the way of truth and love has always won. There may be tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they may seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Think of it: always.
Chapman would no doubt have been out years ago if he'd shot anyone else, but not John Lennon. He wouldn't be safe, and Yoko is scared in case he comes out.
I wonder, though - what would John say? Would he say "life's too short to hold grudges, let the poor fucker out?"
@NeilFraudstrong I usually agree with everything that you say Neil, but I don't think that John would have forgiven him, but maybe I think that simply because I haven't. MDC took John away from Sean, who John cared so much about being father to, and as a parent myself, I couldn't forgive someone for that.
@adamkincaid1234 john lennon was firey. for all the peace/love talk, he would have tore chapman up. remember...lennon lost his mother tragically at a young age. so to forgive someone who wanted to inflict the same fate on his little boy, is not something john would have done.
@adamkincaid1234 I don't believe that is true. I work in a State Mental Institution and I know plenty of people there who served sentences for crimes and were immediately hospitalized when their time was up because the authorities didn't beleive they were safe to release. They didn't harm anyone famous but they did hurt or murder someone.
I personally did not cut him out. There are several versions of that photo and I used all the versions I have of it. That was one of them. The most accurate one of John and MDC is at the very end. The others are overexposed or they have entirely too much red in them.
It is. After Lennon hopped in his car Goresh told Chapman that he thought he got a photo of them together. Chapman was desperate to get a photo and actually arranged to meet Goresh outside the Dakota the following day to get a copy. The world would be a happier place if he settled for that.
This is the part that tears me. Part of me thinks that Mark David Chapman was mentally ill because the gargoyles and statues outside The Dakota "talked" to him during the night and immediately before (seconds before) John's murder, Chapman's head "said", "Do it, do it, do it, do it." However, he also later said "Part of me wanted to leave, but I couldn't." Thirdly, when asked by Jose Perdomo if he'd known what he had just done, he replied calmly, "Yes. I just shot John Lennon."
So I mean I am really torn on the issue. Regardless of whether he was mentally ill or in a sound state of mind (relatively speaking), he should still be in prison and should never be released. He will never be released because of who he killed. I don't even worry or think about it when he comes up for parole every two years or whatever it is. It's an absolute non factor in my life because I know he will never be paroled. I don't worry about it at all.
@NeilFraudstrong i worry about it every day, and try to get people to sign the 2010 petition to keep mdc in jail where i hope he rots. Id like to think he will not be released. I think hes up for parole this year in oct. Fancy even having the nerve to even APPLY for parole in the first place.
He doesn't apply for parole. It comes up automatically for him every two years. Even if you decline to attend the parole hearing, they still have it. David Berkowitz has repeatedly missed parole hearings for years because of his belief that he deserves to remain incarcerated, but they still have the hearing anyway even though he's not there. Trust me, do not fear. Mark David Chapman will never ever ever be released. He killed one of the most famous people ever. It wonj't happen.
@NeilFraudstrong hello again! Mdc parole was on july 12th i think and was adjourned for a month. Just a bit of news if you didnt already hear. Fingers crossed he stays where he is. Thats just what i think. Have you visited mendips? Hoping to go in a couple of weeks. I only found out about john lennon a few monthes back after watching bbc prog lennon naked. Now im finding everything about the legend that is john lennon!
They only postponed the hearing to gather more information about his prison record. He's not going to be released. I haven't thought about it away from YouTube because I know that it will never happen. I don't even worry about it.
If you want to see some scary shlt that John had to deal with in the late 70's, go to the FBI web site & search John Lennon & look at the letters he was getting from Puerto Rican terrorists in '77 & 78 etc., trying to extort $100,000 from him & threatening his life ......
bretoff 4 days ago
I believe Fred Seaman.
katholiday 2 weeks ago
Neither of us work for the US govt in intelligence so I guess its safe to say neither of us know crap about any of this...the only "evidence" you are referring to is what the govt released so that aint saying much. Missing the point here...John Lennon is still dead. Who really cares what color underwear Chapman was wearing the night he gunned him down? Doesnt really matter does it. Lets at least agree on that.
spm1021 1 month ago
@spm1021 You're obviously ignorant and haven't read any of the necessary material on this needed to have a credible opinion. You're obviously clueless about Bresler's and Strongman's investigations and evidence.
Exiles800 1 month ago
John Lennon 4-ever!!! If powerful forces did kill him (which I'm starting to believe, more and more, that they did) then they certainly went through WAY more trouble to make it look like a lone gunman than they did for JFK. John Lennon had the best mouth on him that people really responded to and he was that rare member of the gravy-train to speak out against all war. Reagan and Bush would NOT have stood a chance against John Lennon's mouth...I'll have to check out that Bresler book...
krph33 1 month ago
The FBI believed he actually had influence..thus a FBI folder.what I find entertaining is people believe by adding alot of words to their comments it somehow makes them appear smarter than they are. example I believe it is outrageous that you are suggesting that somehow this will all come out in the wash if we percieve others emotions as our own and simultaneously self destruct with our words....in closing many are trusting in the belief that...get my point Einstein?
spm1021 1 month ago
@spm1021 I think you are fooling yourself that the load of irrelevant talk you just entered does anything to answer the real facts of this case. You're just making some kind of incoherent remark that avoids what we are talking about. Lennon's death has a clear pattern similar to that exposed in Bresler and Strongman's books and other assassinations like RFK's. You have nerve thinking you have a legitimate position when you aren't capable of discussing it by means of the direct evidence.
Exiles800 1 month ago
@Exiles800
There is a political activist named Carlos Montes, the FBI raided his home took his computer and files. Montes also organized anti war rallies.
He was arrested on the stop by the L.A. Sheriff's who said the raid was ordered by the FBI.
The excuse they had for arresting him was because Montes ownes a gun.
Now just imagine if he had 10 million dollars in his bank and millions of supports, what would the government do then?
045781 1 week ago
John was a great man that put his life on the line (unknowingly) by playing an intellectual game with the media & government whilst promoting peace. When you talk about destruction, don't you know that you can count me out, in!!!
BariAndolini 2 months ago
It was just after he made his comeback with Double Fantasy he would have been trying to help make the world a better place again. The government tried to deport him & failed, he was persecuted by them & eventually assassinated. Imagine someone killing a humanist it's a sick selfish world we live in especially without John Lennon
BariAndolini 2 months ago
Toodles exposes his troll status with ad hominem flames that don't really answer the point. Credible people will speak directly of the evidence like the discrepancies in Chapman's airline tickets and the pattern of intel destruction of records. Toodles gives his troll status away by boasting victory while being visibly unable to address these basic points. The ticket forgery is something that could only be done at the intel level. Toodles goes right to ad hominem because he can't answer that.
Exiles800 2 months ago
@NeilFraudstrong Yes Chris, listen to this kid who went on record that if JL was shot in 72, Nixon would have lost the election. He also thinks the limo not showing 12/8/80 was a CIA op as opposed to being late. And if you have the sense to disagree with him, he lashes out at you like a 10 year old but expects to be taken seriously. I will say he has provided some entertainment, so it's not a total loss.
Some kids just shouldn't be allowed near their parents' computer.
Toodlem 2 months ago
I think we can ignore Toodles now. A look at the bigger picture shows Lennon was on a serious COINTELPRO list and was considered an enemy of the state by covert powers in the US gov't. A return to CIA power was about to occur under Reagan with the Contra war. Lennon proved to be a powerful anti-war figure and embodied the anti-Viet Nam era. Chapman was another Sirhan-type Manchurian Candidate and had a suspicious YMCA World Vision background with intel interface as shown by Bresler.
Exiles800 2 months ago
@Exiles800 No. He worked for World Vision/YMCA. FB's evidence for a YMCA-intel link is scant & regarded foreign countries. An MDC-intel link wasn't found, just assumed, which you don't get. MDC applied to USSR & was denied - couldn't speak the lingo. If he had connections they'd have trained him in advance. Scant missing records don’t mean an intel link & internal memos stated surveillance ended 72 because they were wasting their time. Cointelpro was done, Nixon was disgraced. Yawn.
Toodlem 2 months ago
@Toodlem You're just a troll speaking out your ass and wasting our time stringing along excuses. As long as you can't explain the airline ticket forgeries you're just offering patronizing contempt with your pants down and balls hanging out.
Exiles800 2 months ago
@Exiles800 The best is the thank you's I've received from YT'ers for making you look like the ill-mannered ill-bred ass you are. Ad hominem? You can't write without calling me a troll. Still getting everything backwards, loser. You're allergic to views other than your own ignorance & can’t articulate beyond 3rd grade levels. You can't accept MC was nuts & craved fame & accomplishment. It's too simple for you to understand. The CIA keeping the limo away makes more sense. LOL.
Toodlem 2 months ago
You didn't answer the point about the airline tickets. The fact you tried to replace that with besides-the-point, off-topic ad hominem trolling says all anyone needs to know. Thank you for showing us in loud terms what an arrogant ass you are incapable of directly addressing the evidence. If you can't seriously and respectfully address the real evidence Bresler discussed, like the airlines tickets, you're just an annoying, pathetic troll. You wear your claims of "winning" like an asses crown.
Exiles800 2 months ago
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FBI did indeed bug the Dakota during the early 70's when Lennon was out marching with the anti-Nixon Abbie Hoffman crowd. Once he did that he got himself on a deep FBI blacklist that once you're on you don't get off. You need to read Phil Strongman and his research into Lennon's FBI files. He found that although FBI claimed to back-off Lennon under Carter there was indication another US gov't agency was continuing the surveillance. If you take the gov't at its word you live in a fool's paradise
Exiles800 2 months ago
anything is possible here, with the exception of MDC being a "spook operative". If anyone had a beef with Lennon it was the FBI (Nixon and Hoover to be exact). neither of which were "spooks"..just to clarify so that you dont sound like a bunch of fucking conspiracy idiots, spooks dont operate on American soil, thats what those 'G-men clowns' were / are for. However, the spooks could have picked him up on their radar while looking into American involvement with the troubles in Northern Ireland.
ianmshipp 2 months ago
@ianmshipp "Spooks don't operate on US soil". Ha ha ha! Yeah right. You have real credibility. That's just meaningless semantics being used to evade the obvious. The modus operandi of a Manchurian Candidate assassin is purely of the domain of the greatest depth of CIA's spook operations. You're the one who sounds like an idiot if you don't understand how meaningless your point is in relation to that.
Exiles800 2 months ago
It's amazing how clueless people are from the comments. A sure sign Lennon was assassinated by CIA is the fact the limousine didn't show at 5pm forcing Lennon out onto the sidewalk in front of CIA Manchurian Candidate Chapman. Sirhan's lawyers are now pressing for his release based on such hypnotic programming. If you bothered to read Fenton Bresler's book 'Who Killed John Lennon?' you would see he found damning evidence that was never followed-through on. Do some research comments dummies.
Exiles800 2 months ago
@Exiles800
John caught a ride with the RKO radio crew whose car was already there. The limousine that Yoko had called for was not there which is why they went to the studio with the RKO radio crew.
NeilFraudstrong 2 months ago
@NeilFraudstrong I read in Bresler that Lennon's limousine never showed. At that point the media crew offered them a ride. I believe CIA had bugs in the Dakota and knew their Manchurian Candidate was in place on the sidewalk. Chapman failed to shoot at 5pm because he was distracted by his new women friends and his programming wasn't strong enough to overcome it. Later on when he was alone with no distractions his programming took over. There's no doubt about it Lennon was a CIA black op.
Exiles800 2 months ago
@Exiles800
The key is the media then and now, when they have programs about lennon they never ever say one word about Lennon being a peace activist.
The media in the United States is controlled by the CIA, the media says Oswald killed because he"was a nobody so he killed a somebody who was really big" Watch the american Justice on Utube about Lennon, they say the same thing about Lennon's killer. That is a major lie, Lennon's killer never wanted fame.
045781 2 months ago
@045781 Which proves what a bullshit scam America is. They brag this is a place of truth, but as the Lennon case shows the media is fatally corrupted by CIA pigs and their elitist cronies. Thank God for people like 045781. Otherwise these clowns like Toodles would be seen as unopposed. The prevailing reality is the CIA corruption spoken of here. Once Lennon's assassination is seen in this correct light you understand the Oswald propaganda used to hide it is a pure sign of their involvement.
Exiles800 2 months ago
And don't make the mistake of thinking that is unintentional. CIA wants you to know they did it albeit by indirect plausible denial. Unlike shallow troll Toodles, like Strongman, I've studied these events deeply. Just as Chapman was making an indirect claim in his allusion to 'Catcher' these overt examples of psy-ops propaganda to demean "conspiracy theorists" is a subtle way for intel to claim responsibility. What they are saying is "Yes we did it and we see it as justified" by invisible law.
Exiles800 2 months ago
@Exiles800
Also remember when Lennon's killer went to Ga. to get those bullets, why hasn't the media investigated that guy who gave him the bullets.
The media says he was a childhood friend so he gave him the bullets. Also look at the money trail, how could a young man afford to travel so much on a security guard salary in 1980.
045781 2 months ago
@045781Dana Reeves, the Georgia deputy sherrif, also picked Chapman up at the World Vision camp in Arkansas after Chapman dealt with CIA-trained refugees escaping from Viet Nam. There's a screaming trail of covert involvement in Chapman's background that went uninvestigated after Bresler exposed it. Chapman had the classic sheep-dipping route through Russia and Lebanon exactly like Lee Harvey Oswald. They never found Chapman's grandmother for interview and corroboration of the travel dates-Why?
Exiles800 2 months ago
@Exiles800
CIA has total control of media, so that after Bresler book, not one person in the media ever followed up on the information uncovered by Bresler. There is no freedom of the media in the United United, that is for sure.CIA always has the assassins fly in from out of town that is CIA pattern in all polictical assassations in the United States. Funny how any news program on Lennon never ever mentions his assasin's being in CIA infested camp in Arkansas.No mention of CIA ties, why?
045781 2 months ago
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@Exiles800
CIA has total control of media, so that after Bresler book, not one person in the media ever followed up on the information uncovered by Bresler. There is no freedom of the media in the United States that is for sure.CIA always has the assassins fly in from out of town that is CIA pattern in all polictical assassations in the United States. Funny how any news program on Lennon never ever mentions his assasin's being in CIA infested camp in Arkansas.No mention of CIA ties, why?
045781 2 months ago
@Exiles800 This nut continues to argue this nonsense even after I buried him with his own ignorance at another JL vid on YT. A late limo becomes a CIA op and he thinks the CIA bugged the Dakota with zero evidence. The CIA then brainwashed MDC into a murderer in 3 days. All this is "proven" because of an airline ticket discrepancy. And he calls anyone who doesn't buy it dumb (or worse). Nevermind that MDC had a history of mental illness & craved fame but couldn't deal with his own insignificance.
Toodlem 2 months ago
@Toodlem
For the record, the FBI did tap his phone and follow him, but this was in the early 70s when he was at the height of his activism. The idea that he would be murdered by the government which, by the way, was still under Carter's administration at the time of John's murder, is absurd. His comeback was 110% apolitical. He was releasing an album about finding himself through his family and finding small pleasures in life. He wasn't coming back with Some Time in NYC Part 2.
NeilFraudstrong 2 months ago
@NeilFraudstrong Chris, I agree 100%. Go here if you’d like some entertainment... youtube.com/watch?v=L0wDnz3Fjrk. Exiles and this other juvenile I'm dealing with have as much sense as they do class, and that boggles the mind. I addressed my post to Exiles to make sure he got it, that's all. I knew you and anyone interested would eventually see it.
Oh yeah... "nice motor!" LOL. Good one.
Toodlem 2 months ago
@NeilFraudstrong This is pure ignorance of US intel and its practices. These comments are foolish and deny the more than established practices of US intel at the time. All these writings are self-exposing for anyone who has done any deep research into intel. The suggestion that intel let-up during Carter is laughable and ignores the ongoing plans under the nascent electee Reagan. The more Toodles blusters the more obvious it becomes that he hasn't said anything but ignorant trolling sass.
Exiles800 2 months ago
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Exiles800 2 months ago
@Neil But that's just Neil saying so. If you look at the actual evidence those who have studied US intel deeply would recognize intel's operational status at the time which was a desperate comeback from the restrictions of Carter and the anti-CIA/Viet Nam culture in the US. The nascent electee Reagan was about to rubber stamp the CIA covert wars in Central America. Hardly "absurd". To ever refer to Lennon as being "apolitical" is something that automatically destroys one's credibility.
Exiles800 2 months ago
@Exiles800
I didn't say that John was apolitical, I said his comeback was.
NeilFraudstrong 2 months ago
@Neil I suggest you research intel and its paranoia and actions. First, Lennon was getting involved in a San Francisco workers strike. That's political. Secondly, what matters here is what intel thought and acted on. Lennon was one of many high-profile assassinations, including the Kennedy's, King, and many others. You have to do this through the evidence shown in 'Who Killed John Lennon?' It shows the firm fingerprint of intel. Toodles is just a silly troll.
Exiles800 2 months ago
Reagan's plot was so ingenious, he even had himself shot just to show there were no hard feelings.
BarryDennen12 1 month ago
@BarryDennen12 Don't forget who was vice president. Reagan was shot with a low caliber 22 handgun. Lennon was shot with hollow-point bullets intended to kill. Reagan just needed to be gotten out of the way or disabled. Both lone nut psychos had copies of 'Catcher In The Rye' that would sent the message who was in charge. You need to educate yourself on the people who killed the Kennedy's and what kind of psycho CIA Technical Services Division creepy hypno assassin tactics they employed.
Exiles800 1 month ago
Education's awesome! I'm educated enough to know that there hasn't been a theory about the Lennon shooting yet that didn't hinge on some kind of fallacy or fiction. I'm all for new information, of course, but if a theory doesn't hold up to even average scrutiny, then why should anyone take it seriously?
BarryDennen12 1 month ago
@BarryDennen12 The truth is in the facts. None of which you present while according yourself credibility. Fenton Bresler found evidence that Chapman actually flew from Honolulu on the 2nd and not on the 5th as claimed. When Bresler went to confirm this by viewing the Manhattan DA's transportation file on Chapman he was told the file was missing. They said this was unusual. The United ticket counter at Honolulu confirmed to Officer Souza that Chapman flew on the 2nd. CIA hypno-assassinated RFK.
Exiles800 1 month ago
@Exiles800 He was no radical in 1980. There was a recent news story about how he actually like Ronald Reagan.
winstono75 1 month ago
@winstono75 What you wrote is completely ignorant of intel and how they operate. If you think Lennon would have liked Reagan you're a fool who obviously doesn't understand anything about this subject. You're ignorant of intel disinformation and just about everything else associated with this case. Lennon was assassinated by a CIA Technical Services Division decapitation operation in order to keep Lennon from interfering with the CIA's regime changes in Central America and the US. Sydney Gottlieb
Exiles800 1 month ago
@Exiles800 If you are serious, I am amazed at how poorly you are arguing your case.
winstono75 1 month ago
@winstono75 Seeing what you've offered, it's amusing seeing you try to speak with credibility. I'm not the fool who suggested Lennon liked Reagan. This is the kind of bullshit those clueless of the evidence dwell on. The proof Lennon was murdered by CIA is in Bresler and Strongman.
Exiles800 1 month ago
@Exiles800 Fred Seaman, a credible source, stated recently that John Lennon liked Ronald Reagan. That is true regardless of your theories.
winstono75 1 month ago
@winstono75
Finally, a voice of reason to step in the middle of this madness. John met Reagan with May Pang on December 9th, 1974, when Reagan was the governor of California and both were on Monday Night Football. Reagan had his arm around John and was explaining the intricacies of the game to John and they got on really well on a personal level.
NeilFraudstrong 1 month ago
@winstono75 Read about Seaman and his involvement in the forgery and alteration of Lennon's diaries. All part of the psy-ops type campaigns aimed against such political assassination targets. What you are suggesting, despite the obvious, is that Lennon would have been a good bunny and endorsed Reagan's rapacious conservative policies and CIA covert wars. Nice try. If you had any credible studied knowledge you would realize their were covert powers above beyond Reagan that killed Lennon.
Exiles800 1 month ago
@Exiles800
That is complete and utter bull. Fred did not alter or forge any of John's journals in any way whatsoever.
NeilFraudstrong 1 month ago
@NeilFraudstrong You are promoting a campaign of denial against the obvious. You can't just lurk and pounce in when you have an out of context gotcha point you think you can win. This business deals with very deep stuff that has to do with intel and how they work. I recommend reading Phil Strongman's book and learning a little about covert interests and tactics. You are tryng a strawman which says Reagan killed Lennon or Lennon's friendliness towards Reagan excluded any intel motivations.
Exiles800 1 month ago
I heard Seaman was involved in accessing the diaries that were then manipulated. Whatever the case, you have to understand that this wasn't Lennon vs Reagan it was US vs Lennon and some very wolfish covert powers and their interests. If you had a shrewder sense of this you would understand those same powers used another Catcher In The Rye Lone Nut to try and kill Reagan. You can only legitimately deal with this by the evidence. This requires discussion of Chapman's airline ticket forgeries.
Exiles800 1 month ago
@Exiles800
When it comes to Fred, a lot of what you hear about him is false. This is a recurring myth that he edited or somehow schemed to forge elements of John's journal and his own journal, but this is not true. His apartment was burglarized and his own personal journal was stolen and forged with the so called Project Walrus scheme.
NeilFraudstrong 1 month ago
@NeilFraudstrong You have to look at it from a cover-up angle. Constantine suggests there were motives to hide something Lennon wrote or insert opportunistic information. This possibly conforms to intel being worried about or doctoring potential information involving a targeted victim. Project Walrus and Rosen could have been this kind of chaos operation. In any case this is secondary to the Bresler evidence.
Exiles800 1 month ago
@NeilFraudstrong I remember when John's comeback was announced and the album would be made with Yoko. I said shit.... Sometime in NYC pt2. I'm glad I was wrong but only got to hear the album pre-death for about 3 weeks ...which really sucked. I remember the most played track on WNEW-FM in NY was I'm Losing you/Movin on. I was suprised they were playing a Yoko track on a top rock station.
helterskelter1 1 month ago
@Exiles800 FUCK OFF WITH THIS MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE SHIT. HE WAS JUST A LONE IMBECILE.
ThisVideoGetsMeMoist 2 months ago
@ThisVideoGetsMeMoist Fenton Bresler was an intelligent British solicitor. He wrote a book entitled "Who Killed John Lennon?" in 1989. His evidence says otherwise. I suggest you read it.
Exiles800 2 months ago
@Exiles800 He will be just another money grabbing bookworm.
ThisVideoGetsMeMoist 2 months ago
@ThisVideoGetsMeMoist No his evidence is real and you don't have any credibility if you confront it that way. You're just another evidence-denying naysayer...
Exiles800 2 months ago
@Exiles800 Yeah cause the U.S. Government was surely afraid John Lennon would overtake the country.....Common...clueless??? You said it....do your homework. I suppose you think 9-11 was an inside job too.
spm1021 1 month ago
@spm That's dumb and defies the intelligently gathered evidence already established on this. If the US Gov't wasn't afraid then why did they have a COINTELPRO Program designed for exactly that thing? Why did Lennon have an extensive FBI file? Why was Lennon followed and bugged by FBI? Sorry, the entry qualification for this is an intelligent understanding of the background and facts and the ability to discuss Bresler's evidence. You have nerve saying "do your homework" when you obviously haven't
Exiles800 1 month ago
@Exiles800 Thanks for the heads-up on the Bresler book! The hostility towards anyone who believes powerful forces killed John Lennon is funny to me considering how...well, how can anyone say they know for sure when a top secret govt kind of guarantees that nobody knows for sure... If the 'lone gunman' theory (which I no longer believe) were true then what a lucky break it was for Reagan and Bush because they never would've survived Lennon's acid tongue and their supporters had to have known it!
krph33 1 month ago
I'm back. I've worked out an app. as to how I'm able to materialize inside a photograph. After I morphed into the photo. I snuck around behind John and snapped Chapmans neck making it impossible for the day after to happen. In that parallel universe,John just went on his way not ever realizing the danger. He told me he is planning on releasing a new album without Yoko ! All hits, no skipping the Yoko tracks ! Yipee !
critic480 3 months ago
creepy. chapman's an uber loser, probably one of the most pathetic high profile criminals in history (and i don't feel that way simply because he assassinated lennon). he was just a really lame person with lame delusions of grandeur. shame he survived his half hearted suicide attempt in Hawaii to fulfill his loser destiny. i get the feeling lennon was borderline anorexic towards the end of his life. he looks emaciated
ritter89 4 months ago
oh god.... the one at the end still makes my stomach turn! john! dont go home! stay at a hotel or something! its too late.
ForTheLoveOfJohn 4 months ago
Take away the hijo de puta chapman face from the video.
fantorjhs 4 months ago
Was that Mark David Chapman on the last picture?
Shadow6266 6 months ago
@Shadow6266 Sadly yes.
027220 5 months ago
Historical Photos indeed...hours later John Lennon was dead. Music and the World were never be the same!
1luiszepol 8 months ago
Back around 1990, there was a little TV feature about Paul Goresh and his relationship with Lennon. It had some camp re-enactments, starting with Lennon sort of asking Goresh to 'quit following him', to Goresh and his friend getting into Lennon's house under false pretenses, to eventually Goresh beoming friends with Lennon toward the end of 1980. Had some interviews too. I might still have half of it lying around somewhere, it was taken off Youtube :S
BarryDennen12 8 months ago
@BarryDennen12
Despite what Paul likes to say, John and Paul Goresh were not friends. John got enraged at him after he broke into his bedroom and he was absolutely livid. Eventually, he calmed down about it and he tolerated him, but he always gave John the creeps. I know that there are pictures of John smiling in photos with him, but John did not care for Paul Goresh at all. This is a myth that has been spread by Paul. Goresh was just as much a stalker as MDC, but with no homicidal plans.
NeilFraudstrong 8 months ago 4
Well I use the word 'friend' advisedly!
BarryDennen12 8 months ago
@NeilFraudstrong interesting. I didn't know that and I've seen interviews with Goresh. I'm sure you know that Goesh wanted John to autograph a book for him for days, and only after the murder was he given the book that John signed sometime around 3pm on Dec. 8, 1980.
GlennWilsonMusic 8 months ago
@NeilFraudstrong Interesting. All these years I believed the opposite.
Burco1 4 months ago
@Atomicflash500...atomic flash 500. i guess that is supposed to be a joke, it's not funny. it's also very disrespectful to all the people who love john AND his family.
mak761 8 months ago
aun no se sabe quien mató a kenedy. Si querian matar John, qué mejor excusa que un loco. Podia haber querido matar a Mick Jagger,Dylan,Bowie,Paul u otros muchos famosos ¿Tenía que ser precisamente Lennon.Da que pensar.
karlitos993 8 months ago
john was very nice to paul goresh..john ...if he wanted to..could relate well to people..hope paul g. is well...
ChiroQuacker 9 months ago
John is alive ..I saw him on 72 st. last week ..he said my death was a hoax..I did it to get away from Yoko
Atomicflash500 9 months ago
@Atomicflash500 shut up.
GCbeatlesDG 9 months ago
Still very painful
westfield90 10 months ago 8
@westfield90 PUT SOME OINTMENT ON IT.
ThisVideoGetsMeMoist 2 months ago
In the 3rd and 4th pic, is it possible that he is talking to Chapman??
Burco1 1 year ago
the third and fourth pic in, is it possible that he is talking to Chapman at that poinr?
Burco1 1 year ago
"its" photos & name should not be printed anywhere.You're just feeding this demons rep so it can gain John Lennons fame.That is what the murdering demon wants,& ppl have obliged.Why are ppl letting this happen?I thought John's fans cared about him.This is so wrong on so many diff levels.
SmokinMo11 1 year ago
Celibrities today need to be very mindful of their surroundings and what they say when on T.V. during interviews. For some reason it does not matter how terrible their movies are or what destructive message almost every movie made today sends, but if celebrities believe that their security people can protect them from some nut job reaching out and touching them, they are wrong, because somethings dont change. And mad men are mad men and they are only getting worse. Pray 4 peace! Dont be a phony.
barmtrail 1 year ago
To answer the people who want to know how it was so easy to lill John, You must remember it was 30 years ago, and it was not hard at all to get near a high profile person. There was no internet or very easy way to locate people, and the guards at the dakota were not trained to keep their mouths shut. Plus lennon himself was a peacenick and believed that no one would ever kill him. Imagine no posessions, which lennon had millions of dollars worth. Chapman killed him for being phony.
barmtrail 1 year ago
@barmtrail If only it were that simple. Lennon was murdered because a madman thought that, by murdering a famous person (Lennon was not his only potential target), he would magically become Holden Caulfield, a fictional character in the book "The Catcher In The Rye". His plan was to kill Lennon and then hold up the book to proclaim to the world that he was, in fact, Holden Caulfield; but he did not carry though with that part of the plan, because the expected transformation did not occur.
OldCrankyBroad 11 months ago
Mark David Chapman at :28. Unfortunately. :(
tall32guy 1 year ago
0:28 he looks SO much like Julian there....
Thejbirdy 1 year ago
Hate to say, but I would be standing in line, even if it was only to watch. I still think this guy was just a patsy. Avoiding the circumstances that night would have just been a delay. The PTB were adamant to neutralize Lennon, one way or another.
caesarmtnmama 1 year ago
When do you think they will let Mark Chapman out? It so ridiculous they keep him in jail for 30 years. I think he would make great judge on american idol cause of his history of music.
JamesTKirkCobain 1 year ago
@JamesTKirkCobain You HAVE to be kidding! I can't believe I'm even hearing that!!!! LOL Seriously, I can't.
tall32guy 1 year ago
What a cunt Chapman is. Rot in hell.
djsuploaded 1 year ago
ad music to this i felt like something was gonna pop up i hate quite vids
TheBobohj 1 year ago
@TheBobohj
I'm guessing you didn't read the part of the video description where I said that I wasn't going to waste time looking for a clip of music for such a short and to the point video.
NeilFraudstrong 1 year ago 2
@TheBobohj Cut down on the modern horror movies, that'd be my advice. This is fine.
Jay
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jaggergaidemak 1 year ago
@TheBobohj - not directed AT you but YOUTUBE won't let me make a comment so I have to reply to something.
The last photo in that Goresh series is a pic of John Lennon standing next to Mark David Chapman right before Chapman shot and killed him. Look how Chapman is looking at John...its so creepy & evil and John has no idea what's about to happen to him...very upsetting & disturbing picture to look at.
jaggergaidemak 1 year ago
@jaggergaidemak The Lennon/ Chapman photo of them together was taken about 5 hours before Chapman killed him
helterskelter1 1 year ago
@helterskelter1 I didn't realize that. I know Chapman was around earlier in the day and got an autograph, I just didn't realize this photo was from then. I guess since its dark in the photo it looked more like 10:30pm to me. Still, pretty upsetting & disturbing, even 5 hours before it all went down.
jaggergaidemak 1 year ago
@TheBobohj I hate video's of scumshitbag Chappy...If i was the Limo driver, And Knew what was going to take place, No question With a commercial Class A license..Would have Ran him over..And serve 3 or 4 years, After they found the gun on the body, and his meaningless PAST Thought's..But Bush would have found some other way of Stumping him out in a few more years..I'm telling you, This man was Too rare to live, it's sad..
BarryPuppetSoetoro61 11 months ago
Opposite sides of the spectrum one man a complete caring human being the other a evil twisted destructive bastard Happy 70th John Thank you
lou362 1 year ago
The last picture - that's his murderer in the background if anyone didn't know, disgusting..
nniFymereJ 1 year ago
i think John would have been safe living in England, because there it's more difficult to purchase a gun and laws concerning gun control are more strict than in the US. And i dont think the murderer could have passed his gun through airport control. In the US, any moron can buy a gun, and the rate of this type of crimes is much higher than in Britain.
mazingerZful 1 year ago
@mazingerZful In Liverpool Lennons birth place it is easy to obtain a gun but it depends on who you know. There are gangs with guns and knives killing each other in Liverpool and innocent people get caught up in this gang war - Rhys Jones was one of these victums. Liverpool is just like the USA now with its gun crime. Manchester is another city with high rates of gun crime as is other parts of England. Over here buying a gun is just like buying a choclate bar it is that easy. Liverpool is unsafe
Ietterposter 1 year ago
After John's murder celebrities realised that there are any number of mentally unbalanced individuals that could potentially harm them. That is why these days celebrities employ burly security staff and a whole coterie of 'special advisors' PR consultants, spin doctors etc. An attempt to distance themselves as far as possible from any perceived physical threat or misquoted word.
This all has it's roots with the appalling murder of John Lennon and the relative ease with which it was carried out.
starryian007 1 year ago
@starryian007
I am sure that there were others, but John's murder is the first that I can recall where a celebrity was murdered by a former fan. I mean, Sharon Tate was murdered because the Manson family wanted to send Terry Melcher a message and they knew the house, but she wasn't the target per se. But John's murder is the first that I can even remotely recall. Rebecca Schaefer is another, but that happened much later.
NeilFraudstrong 1 year ago
@NeilFraudstrong Yes, sadly there were many celebrities murdered by 'fans' The hispanic singer Selena. Much-loved British television presenter Jill Dando, George Harrison - fortunately not fatally, and the actress Rebecca Schaeffer (as you have mentioned)
In fact it was Schaeffer's murder in 1989 by a stalker that prompted the passage of anti-stalking laws in California, some 9 years after John Lennon was infamously gunned down in frightening similar circumstances.
starryian007 1 year ago
@NeilFraudstrong It is hard to believe that by 1980 there wasn't better security. You mentioned the Manson murders. Didn't security immediately improve for celebrities after that? That was more than 11 years before Lennon's murder! What happened? Celebrities were absolutely frightened in Summer of '69. Steve McQueen even carried a gun on him. How on earth was security that lax at the Dakota in December of 1980? I mean, REALLY laxed. To just let some guy stand there for hours and hours for days.
ShelterDogs 1 year ago
@ShelterDogs
Yes, I mentioned the Manson murders, but it was to say that Sharon Tate was not the intended target per se as Lennon was. Back then, they just didn't think about it. It was just something that wasn't considered. After John was killed, everybody woke up and realized they needed more security.
The Dakota was doing nothing out of the ordinary. People always hung out by The Dakota because many celebrities lived there. There were even some regulars who hung out there every day.
NeilFraudstrong 1 year ago
At the time, it was nothing to be concerned about. Plus, the sidewalk in front of The Dakota was a public sidewalk so as long as they weren't leaning on the railings of the building or causing trouble they were free to stay there as long as they wanted.
In hindsight, it makes perfect sense to say, "Wow, how could they just let people hang out there?!", but at the time it just didn't seem odd to the residents or the staff of The Dakota. It was just something they had accepted as normal.
NeilFraudstrong 1 year ago
@NeilFraudstrong Interesting. Thanks for your insight. Makes total sense. I know Lauren Bacall and I think Michael Douglas lived there. I've never been able to find comments by them other than Bacall saying "I thought it was a tire backfiring" when asked if she heard anything.
ShelterDogs 1 year ago
Neil, I bet u couldn't find 100 people on this entire sight that have your factual knowlege of the Manson/Tate murders. When u mentioned that Doris Day's son was the actual intended victim (CM believed TM had rejected him on a record deal), I was certain your opinions were at least based on a correct knowlege of the facts. There's nothing I dislike more than somebody who runs their mouth, when they either don't know or understand the FACTS. Keep up the good work Lad!
DuaneMThomas 11 months ago
@DuaneMThomas
Thanks!
People think I just make this stuff up as I go along either because they disagree with my opinions or because I am only 24 or any number of reasons. I have a lot of haters (and I love it). But that being said, I do pride myself on not only having the best material on YouTube related to John, but that I am as factually accurate as possible. I don't think people know how much time I put into my research for this channel. So thank you for your comment, I appreciate it.
NeilFraudstrong 11 months ago
@starryian007 I lived in Brooklyn at the time and it was common knowledge if you wanted to see Lennon you could..I thought it was uncool and I was 17 anyways friennds from my high school actually showed up and saw him more than once,,, so sad and all these workings of his demos are so wonderful and the only silveer lining is that his stature for his solo career has risen so much
slappyabromowitz 1 year ago
@starryian007
yeah but unlike celberities today John Lennon was assassinated for a reason, his politcal activism and challenge of american authority and the status quo of the republican party and the NWO led to them programming a killer to silence a man whose goal was to shake to conciousness of the american people. The music of today is trash and nobody is gonna bother wasting money having Shawn Kingstons fat usless ass or the Lil wayne retarboo put on a hit list.
9Asabov3SoBelow6 11 months ago
@9Asabov3SoBelow6
Yeah totally. Beautiful Boy (Darling Boy) was pretty radical at the time of John's murder.
NeilFraudstrong 11 months ago
A terribly poignant moment happened when John was taken into Roosevelt Hospital and wheeled past waiting Accident & Emergency patients that night. 'All My Loving' by The Beatles was playing on the radio. It was probable that John was already dead, but if not, it would have been the last thing he ever heard. A song both he and Paul McCartney wrote some 18 years earlier. The first line 'Close your eyes and I'll kiss you, tomorrow I'll miss you.. A very poignant and ultimately heartbreaking moment.
starryian007 1 year ago
it's creepy to look at those and know that he had no idea what was about to happen. Ofcourse everyone knows now, but in those photos it was just another evening for him.
drewsky684 1 year ago
I think about that all the time. When you look back on the last days, at first you think that the story is already known to all participants. But then sometimes you look at it and go, "Wow. No one had any idea." As you said, it was just another day for John. Going to the studio, giving interviews, promoting the album, signing autographs. Nothing at all out of the ordinary. In hindsight it looks so clear and obvious almost, but every time I see these pictures I am painfully aware.
NeilFraudstrong 1 year ago
Makes me sick to see that only a few hours earlier this sick son of a bitch had actually tried to befriend lennon and had actually gotten a signed copy of his album.. UGH!!!!!!
marniedrew 1 year ago
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I visited the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame in 2001 when they had a large Lennon Exhibition. They had his glasses with blood still on them in a fortified secure container along with the bag with his clothes that the police gave to Yoko that night. There was an armed guard stationed next to it. I put my face up to the glass and looked right through his glasses.which where really close.to the glass. An experience I'll never forget.
TaserTracks 1 year ago
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I visited the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame in 2001 when they had a large Lennon Exhibition. They had his glasses with blood still on them in a fortified secure container along with the bag with his clothes that the police gave to Yoko that night. There was an armed guard stationed next to it. I put my face up to the glass and looked right through his glasses.which where really close.to the glass. An experience I'll never forget.
TaserTracks 1 year ago
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I visited the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame in 2001 when they had a large Lennon Exhibition. They had his glasses with blood still on them in a fortified secure container along with the bag with his clothes that the police gave to Yoko that night. There was an armed guard stationed next to it. I put my face up to the glass and looked right through his glasses.which where really close.to the glass. An experience I'll never forget.
TaserTracks 1 year ago
Why are people so crazy about Lennons death, it's like you ask someone, "You know who John Lennon is?" and they say "yeah the guy who got shot?" Stop this nonsence..
JohnFuent3s 1 year ago
@Lemmontree6 Don't forget John was about peace and a lot if people believed in that And still do so he won't be shot
MrBeatles4life 1 year ago
you know that photo in which John Lennon is signing copy of Double Fantasy for Mark David Chapman, the quality was purposely downgraded before it got published .. but you can bring it back to original using a photoshop program
purpalhaaz 1 year ago
@purpalhaaz
This is actually true. I have a version which clearly shows intense detail on John's jacket and everything is much crisper and sharp than in the published versions of the photograph.
NeilFraudstrong 1 year ago
@NeilFraudstrong
Please could you email it me at 'jonathan--hawes@hotmail.co.uk'?
It would be greatly appreciated :)
JonathanHawes94 1 year ago
The first photo has a very eerie quality to it, not unlike the Shroud of Turin. I knew Paul Goresh had taken at least one other photo (most likely this) besides that famous one, so seeing these is an interesting historical perspective. The photos also adds some poignancy to that day. Here you see John contently carrying on his day, business as usual, not realizing that in a few short hours he would be crossing paths again with that lunatic into the history books.
nyyterp 1 year ago
there is absolutely no chance of chapman ever getting out. he's even kept in solitary IN PRISON because he's such an infamous inmate. how is he going to cope when he gets released? not gonna happen.
yourboyrayray 1 year ago
I think that John might have forgiven Chapman, had he survived. John had a heart of gold. But, He's screwed either way [jail or freedom] because, there are millions of us John Lennon fans out there, how many fans do you think are out there that wouldn't want to kill this man themselves? Believe me when I say that there are some fans out there that would act on it as soon as this man is set free. If anything, Chapman is probably safer in jail.
lemontree6 1 year ago 2
@lemontree6 Makes me sad to read this, cause I know you're probably right. Maybe hate is stronger than love after all.
Showtime6688 1 year ago
@Showtime6688 Only if we let the 'hatemongers' win Love can be just as powerful as hate. Hate is a very destructive emotion and it usually ends up as just that - destroying itself.
starryian007 1 year ago
@Showtime6688
Whenever I despair, I remember that the way of truth and love has always won. There may be tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they may seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Think of it: always.
Ghandi
094340 10 months ago
why in the WORLD do I love this man so much?!?!?!?!
back2realitygal11 1 year ago
@back2realitygal11 I know, it's crazy to care about someone who's not even in your circle of personal friends.
jillygrrl 1 year ago
Chapman would no doubt have been out years ago if he'd shot anyone else, but not John Lennon. He wouldn't be safe, and Yoko is scared in case he comes out.
I wonder, though - what would John say? Would he say "life's too short to hold grudges, let the poor fucker out?"
adamkincaid1234 1 year ago
@adamkincaid1234
If John had survived, I think he would have forgiven him eventually, but still advocated for his incarceration.
NeilFraudstrong 1 year ago
@NeilFraudstrong I usually agree with everything that you say Neil, but I don't think that John would have forgiven him, but maybe I think that simply because I haven't. MDC took John away from Sean, who John cared so much about being father to, and as a parent myself, I couldn't forgive someone for that.
jillygrrl 1 year ago
@adamkincaid1234 john lennon was firey. for all the peace/love talk, he would have tore chapman up. remember...lennon lost his mother tragically at a young age. so to forgive someone who wanted to inflict the same fate on his little boy, is not something john would have done.
jimijackson 1 year ago
@jimijackson I agree.
jillygrrl 1 year ago
@adamkincaid1234 I don't believe that is true. I work in a State Mental Institution and I know plenty of people there who served sentences for crimes and were immediately hospitalized when their time was up because the authorities didn't beleive they were safe to release. They didn't harm anyone famous but they did hurt or murder someone.
krobinson95 1 year ago
the last picture has chapman
godzillo96 1 year ago
Looks like that Fat Fuck Mark David Chapman is standin right next to John in the very last photo. Sombody stop him!!
1978blueGREEN 1 year ago
0:09 Right on!!! You cut off MDC! I did the same thing too.
LennonForever38 1 year ago
@LennonForever38
I personally did not cut him out. There are several versions of that photo and I used all the versions I have of it. That was one of them. The most accurate one of John and MDC is at the very end. The others are overexposed or they have entirely too much red in them.
NeilFraudstrong 1 year ago
It is!
jeroen4297 1 year ago
yknow that end picture were there is someone next to him ? im 90% sure that that is mark chapman, the man who killed Lennon
SillyBoyBlue83 1 year ago
It is.
NeilFraudstrong 1 year ago
It is. After Lennon hopped in his car Goresh told Chapman that he thought he got a photo of them together. Chapman was desperate to get a photo and actually arranged to meet Goresh outside the Dakota the following day to get a copy. The world would be a happier place if he settled for that.
trace1nz 1 year ago
@trace1nz
This is the part that tears me. Part of me thinks that Mark David Chapman was mentally ill because the gargoyles and statues outside The Dakota "talked" to him during the night and immediately before (seconds before) John's murder, Chapman's head "said", "Do it, do it, do it, do it." However, he also later said "Part of me wanted to leave, but I couldn't." Thirdly, when asked by Jose Perdomo if he'd known what he had just done, he replied calmly, "Yes. I just shot John Lennon."
NeilFraudstrong 1 year ago
So I mean I am really torn on the issue. Regardless of whether he was mentally ill or in a sound state of mind (relatively speaking), he should still be in prison and should never be released. He will never be released because of who he killed. I don't even worry or think about it when he comes up for parole every two years or whatever it is. It's an absolute non factor in my life because I know he will never be paroled. I don't worry about it at all.
NeilFraudstrong 1 year ago
@NeilFraudstrong
This is a very good point you bring up. Do you think Chapman would be considered for parole if it wasen't John Lennon he shot?
mrtrek64 1 year ago
@mrtrek64
Not only do I think he would be considered, I think that he would be released.
NeilFraudstrong 1 year ago
@NeilFraudstrong i worry about it every day, and try to get people to sign the 2010 petition to keep mdc in jail where i hope he rots. Id like to think he will not be released. I think hes up for parole this year in oct. Fancy even having the nerve to even APPLY for parole in the first place.
spacehopper75 1 year ago
He doesn't apply for parole. It comes up automatically for him every two years. Even if you decline to attend the parole hearing, they still have it. David Berkowitz has repeatedly missed parole hearings for years because of his belief that he deserves to remain incarcerated, but they still have the hearing anyway even though he's not there. Trust me, do not fear. Mark David Chapman will never ever ever be released. He killed one of the most famous people ever. It wonj't happen.
NeilFraudstrong 1 year ago
@NeilFraudstrong hello again! Mdc parole was on july 12th i think and was adjourned for a month. Just a bit of news if you didnt already hear. Fingers crossed he stays where he is. Thats just what i think. Have you visited mendips? Hoping to go in a couple of weeks. I only found out about john lennon a few monthes back after watching bbc prog lennon naked. Now im finding everything about the legend that is john lennon!
spacehopper75 1 year ago
@spacehopper75
They only postponed the hearing to gather more information about his prison record. He's not going to be released. I haven't thought about it away from YouTube because I know that it will never happen. I don't even worry about it.
NeilFraudstrong 1 year ago
yes it was he signed his latest album to chapman this was in the moring
oblivodude 1 year ago
@oblivodude
These photos were taken at approximately 5:30 PM.
NeilFraudstrong 1 year ago
opps my mistake :(