I know people who teaches at Harmony! They are very kind people and will never bring harm to people! Author of this video, just making money out of that, by showing schools and Gulen movement as something bad. I am my self graduated from Gulen schools, they were more kind to me, than even my relatives.
Oh also, before you continue lieing, you should take time to read Bava Metzia 23b-24a. Even though your income is based on lies & misrepresentations, there are legitimate and more honest ways of being a "watch-dog" vs. a sleazy political propagandist. Somewhere along the line you let what happened to your daughter turn into blind hatred and now a source of income. I'm sorry she experienced something bad, but you will find bad apples in any large school system. The key is whether they fix it.
As someone with a decade of experience in studying Islamic extremists, I've vetted these Gulen people and found them to be harmless I am proud to serve as a board member on a Harmony affiliated charter school system in Texas. We rank as some of the top schools in Texas and our finances and audits are open for any concerned taxpayer to study. Please talk to our schools teachers and parents to get the truth about our schools instead of listening to this PKK supporter's political propaganda.
@wigon now why on earth would the Kurdish have a bone to pick with harmless Gulen people? Could it be that that Gulen gave a speech for them to kill Kurds???? Wigon keep it up or I block you...unlike you your pro gulen channels where they shut the comments off. Afraid of people posting the truth? Your enrollment is dropping teachers are speaking out, parents are speaking out. The IRS is catching on, the investigation is not over yet.your actions tell me you are very scared of this outcome
@ohohmrbill1 Feel free to supress my freedom of speech. That is the hallmark of fascists which my grandfather and great Uncle faught in WWII. You may choose to block my freedom of speech, but I served my nation in the armed forces in the belief that I was perserving yours and I still believe that. I have not had a SINGLE teacher contact me (we have high morale), the IRS PROPOSAL was for ALL US charter schools, and we have HUGE parental support which any taxpayer can verify.
@ohohmrbill1 But hey again, if you wish to suppress the freedom of speech of former soldiers who preserve yours, then please by all means go ahead. I will simply mirror your comments on a new page anyways and answer them point by point. I love YouTube and I hope that they continue defending freedom of speech within constitutional perimeters. Banning me will simply shift me into high gear and give me more ammuntion towards illuminating your organizaton. Hooah!
@wigon As a board member you seem overly obsessed with this leaving comments on every video four times a day for the past two weeks. Using the idea of you being an ex military counter terrorism expert to intimidate others. The use of cults to hack emails data mines info. Not to mention calling up employers of any one who speaks against the cult. You guys are not scary...just deranged brainwashed cult followers of Hoca Fraudi Go look for a different job we just punched your time card.
@ohohmrbill1 In psychological operations, this is known as "counter-propaganda" wich was actually my area of expertise in the area of my counter-terrorism research. While my area dealt with countering Al-Qaeda propaganda, the basic principles of the methodology are similar to countering your organization's propaganda. In both cases I also use truthful facts and state exactly who I am.
@ohohmrbill1 Also Bill, again I am not a follower of Gulen and never have been. I read some of his books (and Said Nursi's) to study up on his ideology, and I have worked with his followers in interfaith dialog programs (and they invite me to ramadan dinners and stuff like that). But that's it. I have never nor will I ever resort to harassment of you or anyone else (like calling people's employers). I'm only concerned with countering lies about my school system..
@wigon yeah kinda like all comments are closed off on your cult members videos and pages. Niagara foundation , gulenforworldpeace, gulencharterschool channels etc. By the way which school are you at and what is your real name?
@ohohmrbill1 I've already stated that I am at a Harmony affiliated school and I'm not stupid enough to post my real name and open myself to phone harrassment by the psychos at your organization. But even you people did, it wouldn't stop me from rebuffing all your lies about my schools. I would just puruse criminal charges (or a civil suit) for harassment/threats. Also I do NOT run any of the Pro-Gulen YouTube channels nor do I work for them.
@wigon Correction, I meant to say that I am a board member of a Harmony affiliated school system. At any rate, anyone is free to PM me if they have a YIM account and I can speak to them so they can see that I don't have even a hint of a Turkish accent and speak no Turkish. Although I imagine you'd think I was somehow faking a perfect midwestern American accent as well. lol Actually it'd probably just be easier for me to record a video with my voice.
@wigon So again, which one would that be and what is your real name? As Tim Steller said who coined the phrase "Strategic Ambiguity" quit with the double talk. You keep talking like this and wonder why no one trusts you or your schools. The other issue is transparency.
@ohohmrbill1 LOL!...You mean kinda like you don't post your real name on here? I've never even seen you state, your real name, who you are, or why you are obsessed with closing these schools. So it's rather ironic that you demand my full identity. I've already offered to talk on YIM where any idiot could tell that I'm an American, but hey whatever. Keep believing I'm some secret Jihadist Turk. Between you and the crazy Kurd, it's rather amusing.
@ohohmrbill1 LOL! Have at it, you'll only find that I'm exactly who I say I am. Once you dig up my real name, you can also contact the U.S. Army and the TEA and verify everything I've told you. lol! Also make sure to run a Texas and federal criminal background check as well... clean as a whistle...not even any traffic or parking tickets. lol. But hey it's your (or more likely your sponsor's) money to waste.
@ohohmrbill1 BTW, Its amazing how threatened you feel by me. I expect that after you waste a bunch of money and time doing your amateur detective thing, that you'll resort to cyber-bullying, smear tactics (making up false stories about me just as you do about my schools), as well as phone and legal bullying/threats (even though I've never done anything of the sort to you). If so I'm prepared for that. I don't back down from bullies. No se puedes intimidar.
@wigon now why on earth would the Kurdish have a bone to pick with harmless Gulen people? Could it be that that Gulen gave a speech for them to kill Kurds???? Wigon keep it up or I block you...unlike you your pro gulen channels where they shut the comments off. Afraid of people posting the truth? Your enrollment is dropping teachers are speaking out, parents are speaking out. The IRS is catching on, the investigation is not over yet.your actions tell me you are very scared of this outcome
Wigon and his Turkish schools have assaulted American Education and will lose. This Gulen Movement is very predatory in nature. Worldwide their schools have caused problems and are controversial. In many countries they have been shut down in the USA they will be stopped. The IRS will not let you have any more retirement money. Not just a proposal my little Turk friend (and you are little we hear) but very much in the works, yes ALL charter schools. U are ruining it for the decent charters
My fellow American readers, be advised CemaatKaz is a professional agitator/propagandist not from America (seen by how he/she spells Turkey as "Turkiye") who is trying to destroy top ranking charter schools (that are actually improving American education dramatically) with baseless lies and propaganda. I am speaking as someone who is a non-Muslim, AMERICAN on the school board of one of these so called "Gulen schools". I'm also ex-US military and have a background in counter-terrorism research.
So Wigon which is your favorite video? This news report about the FBI investigation on your loser schools or the CNN one talking about the schools? Then there is the CBN video or Joshua Hendrick's "secret agenda" when he debated Aslandogan in Texas. There is so many good news reports about your schools it is hard to decide. My favorite is the one about Harmony making students scrub toilets, then there is the one how you stole a students rosary from her. Shame on you.
@CemaatKaz And again, a bunch of rumors spread by your organization and now you're mixing up schools from other states with ours in Texas. But your disinformation tactics and rumor spreading is part of your mode of operation for your organizations as you've shown. Meanwhile the documented evidence shows that our schools are some of the highest performing in Texas. You can not ignore this, yet you, a foreign agitator, seek to destroy our school systems here in Texas.
Be advised, American readers that CemaatKaz is a professional agitator/propagandist not from America (seen by how he/she spells Turkey as "Turkiye") who is trying to destroy top ranking charter schools (that are actually improving American education dramatically) with baseless lies and propaganda. I am speaking as someone who is a non-Muslim, AMERICAN on the school board of one of these so called "Gulen schools". I am also ex-US military and have a background in counter-terrorism research.
@wigon yeah, like that pathetic plea of desperation is going to do you any good. Ex military and counter terrorism? nope not buying it. Even that combination alone is even more reason why no body including American public not to trust you.
@ohohmrbill1 First off I never worked for an intelligence agency. I did that research as part of my graduate studies. 2nd as I've mentioned before anyone with a military background can question me about my military experience. As soon as I talk about boring things like PMCS checks, setting the header and timing of an M2 barrel, keeping a pace-count, blue-falcons, crimping blasting caps,etc... I'm pretty sure any former Army member would recognize what I'm talking about.
@wigon Good for us, see the latest video of Goose Network's message to the Gulen Movement. Wigon is part of the Gulen Movement. No American would act so desperate and defend this criminal CULT unless they were part of it. He has no training in counter-terrorism it is part of the Hizmet BS and Americans (real ones) are not falling for it. Wigon is a Gulenists and a poor liar trying to appear as something else to derail the topic of this news video about his fake group
@CemaatKaz Yeaaah sure... Any concerned in Texas can PM me and I'd be happy to eat some pork BBQ and drink a few a beers with them. By the way, I saw the time stamp from my YouTube message notice and it said your recent message just a short while ago was at 6:47am while when you wrote that it was just before 1 am here. That means you're not even posting from the United States. Way to go foreign agent. Good Job! You are obviously Professional. (Another screenshot for the archives).
@CemaatKaz Why would I check your Goose Network websites? They are run by you and your Armenian and Pro-PKK terrorist loving friends. But like you said, give yourselves a pat on the back since nobody else will. "GReAT SUCcESs!" (Borat) But since you already lied about me being some kind of super-secret Gulen fanantic, why stop there. Please make some really juicy lies. Come on, come up with some more original things otherwise you are not very good at character assassination.
@wigon Why would you care about an Ermeni? Thought you were not Turkish? You are a crazy typical Gulenists that is so ashamed to admit your affilations with the Gulen Movement. Hey what do you think about the IRS no longer allowing charter school employees to dip into state retirement plans? pretty groovy eh? Come back to Turkiye and prove you are a man and stand trial for trying to overthrow a secular government.
@CemaatKaz Again more lies. The IRS did not pass such a law. They only made a proposal and it effects ALL charter schools not just those founded by Turks. I could care less who runs Turkey as long as they leave their politics at home when they come here to America. All of the Turks I know have done exactly this and only foreign agitators (Armenian or Kurdish PKK supporters like yourself) are trying to do otherwise. By attacking our schools you are attacking America's children.
@wigon Dear Americans are on our side not yours!!! you are the ENEMY you are the Gulen Movement trying to dominate education worldwide and you will not succeed in America. You can google as much American military information as you want and try to mask yourself as some military expert but it is BS. You are nothing. Talk about the Military generals in Turkiye that your group has made step down and your bad attempt to take over Turkiye's military (won't ever happen) Hocaefendi fails once again
@CemaatKaz Um...I am American. You on the other hand are posting from a different country somewhere in Central Asia judging from the fact that your posts are 5 hours ahead of mine (I am CST). And again, nope...I'm not a Gulen member. Hahaha...yes please find on Google the trick to putting together an M60 machine gun bolt assembly. Please find on Google info on what caused that large hole at the far right firing position on the M2 machine-gun range at North Ft. Hood. lol!
@wigon You can learn many things by simply "google" we know you are not military. You are a lying Gulenist. You see...lying and being a Gulenist are the same thing. Except your lies are so bad.
@CemaatKaz Yes again answer my question. What is the little trick to putting together the bolt-assembly of an M60 machinegun? It is not in any manual. Likewise how was that hole made in the far right firing position at the M2 crew-served weapons range at North Fort Hood. Every soldier who has trained there knows this story and it is not on the internet. If it's on Google, please find this. lol! Any fellow former American soldier can question me and know that I am who I say I am.
@wigon So what...even us Turkics from Central Asia hate Gulen too. We closed his schools in Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. We threw your brothers out on their arses. They cried like babies like Gulen does in his sermons. You crybabies. how is the Spanish guitar thing going?
@CemaatKaz Last I heard the Turkish founded schools in Central Asia were thriving. You seem to complain an awful lot about them so obviously they are still going strong. That seems to infuriate you. Regardless, what the the governments of Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan do is none of my business and you, a foreign agitator, should stay out America's education system which you clearly know nothing about yet seek to undermine. Meanwhile you still hide your identity like a coward.
@CemaatKaz I could care less about Turkish politics, but the more you keep bring it up, the more it's obvious that your posts have nothing to do with schools here in Texas that you keep trying to drag into your hate filled anti-Turkish vendetta. You must have lost a lot of family members to Turks to have so much hatred. Have you thought of maybe seeking professional psychological help to deal with your anger. What do you think would resolve your anger towards Turks?
@CemaatKaz You said the opposite earlier about Turks. Nice lying again. Maybe you are Turkish are you are just ashamed of your country? If so leave it in Turkey and don't drag the American education system into it as it only threatens to harm American children and destroy American jobs. But a person like you does not care what harm you do to Americans. You are sadly blinded by your hateful political ideology. How do you look at yourself in the mirror every morning?
@wigon Maybe I am part of Ergenekon. Now why would that concern you? a non-Muslim ex- military person a proud American on the school board. You are laugh out loud funny, or you must think Americans are really stupid.
By the way also note how CemaatKaz spells "Turkey". He spells it as a Turk or an Armenian would: "Turkiye". Readers beware, this individual is NOT an American. These people like CemaatKaz are paid foreigners who are tryng to drag YOUR schools and into their ugly Turkish politics. I am taking some more screenshots to document this just in case he deletes his post and claims I am lying (as I expect him/her to do). .
@wigon Does it really matter who that other person is. Maybe you are just fishing for information to satisfy your own ridiculous paranoid thoughts? You claim everone is getting paid to do these things. You keep saying that over and over Even if it were true then you have ask yourself Why would anyone not like Gulen or his Agenda so much that they would pay oe to support the truth? Who did Gulenists piss off so bad that they would do this.? You really are a knuckle head. Screen shot that.
@ohohmrbill1 No it does matter. It is important to me as a social scientist to understand the motivations of individuals behind their words and actions. If he/she is Armenian or Kurdish, then it makes sense why they post such things regardless of what the truth is documented as being (and what the Texas Education Agency, the parents of our school's students, and our American teachers know to be true).
@wigon Thought U were not Turkish? So are you Turkocentric? against Kurds, Jews and others. Go ahead and make screen shots, and you are a liar. Watch the news every day like a good soldier, u will never be able to keep up with all the controversy connected 2 your loser schools. Get busy with the screen shots Hizmet/Wigon OH NO we are so afraid. OH NO "u touch it you burn" wait for the next weekly broadcast from your Hocaefendi. It will be special. No one is deleting their posts.
@CemaatKaz Again you are rambling Cemaat. How am I a liar for pointing out that you identified yourself as a Turk (or at least Central Asian) by your spelling of the name Turkey? You are angry because you made an obvious mistake in your propaganda and identified yourself as a foreigner accidentally. The screenshots are not to scare you. The screenshots are for AMERICANS who are mislead by your lies so I can collect, document, and then demonstrate your lies to them. So keep lying.
@wigon Ramblilng? is that your way of hijacking away from the facts? Americans don't care about your lying group. Go ahead and demonstrate. before you do so, be prepared to answer a statement of facts from the US government. IRS, DOL, DOE, USCIS are all done with you and your lies. No rambling here, only facts. U ramble about "military service" and other lies and it will NOT work. Your group is not wanted in the USA. SO MANY SCHOOLS DENIED, so much more to do. see you in the trenches
@wigon Screw U, we don't want you in Central asia either. Talk about the closure and throwing out of your parasite group in Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. We will win our countries back from you leeches. Go fix Turkiye (if you can) before you profess to know what is right for others. The Turk is a loser.
@wigon So what do you think about IRS ruling that your charter employees are NO LONGER qualifying for 401K retirements? Ha ha ha, no more money 4 U Wiggie. No go and wig out and cry to Fetosh, he will surely loan you some of his $25 Billion he has stolen from Turkey. Ever wonder why Gulen cannot return to beloved Turkiye? Believe me, he would if he could.
We both know he lives under lock & key on the Golden Generation compound 4 his safety. If he is so loved in Turkiye --he would return.
@CemaatKaz Regarding the 401K, so far this has only been a proposal by the IRS that would effect ALL charter schools nationally and has nothing to do with schools having a few Turkish employees. So again you are spreading half-truths to confuse people. Again, I could care less about Gulen other then that I like the people in his organization that I have known and found them to be very liberal Muslims. But keep up your anti-Gulen rants, it makes you look like a fanatic.
@wigon check out the latest message from the goose network to the gulen movement. you are losing it is over. say good bye to all of that American money.
@wigon Take screen shots, no one cares about you and gulen mulen the loser. He hides like a baby in the poconos. We dubbed him the "Pasha Prick of the Poconos" America's favorite puppet. America hates you and your group, you are responsible for lack of democracy in Turkey and jail decent journalists. Your human rights records sucks, and American journalists are not done with you yet. So many schools to shut down, keeping score? 75 denied and 34 pending. America wins, Gulen loses!
@CemaatKaz Again, you are obviously clueless about Americans. Most Americans have no clue who Gulen is and could really care less. Our schools have zero affiliation with Gulen except that a few of our Turkish teachers (who generally make up between 20-15% of the faculty which is mostly American) support Gulen. You post nothing but conspiracy theories, lies, and hate speech with no facts while trying to shut down some of America's best schools using Islamophobia, rather than facts.
@CemaatKaz No.... you're not a Turkish Jew. The people that attack them in Turkey generally tend to be Salafists and far removed from Sufi ideology. The Gulen movement seems to actually enjoy fairly broad support from the Jewish community (aside from a few radical Jewish groups) here in America especially amongst Kaballists who share common theological beliefs with Turkish Sufism.
What really pisses off the Gulen Movement and a**holes like Wigon are they cannot control American media as they do in Turkiye. The Gulen Movement cannot have American journalists and media arrested. In fact, the Gulen Movement is the enemy of the world's journalists.
@CemaatKaz You're the only one sounding pissed off with all your curse words. We Americans control our government and you are right that the Gulen movement could never control America. Thank you for finally agreeing with me on that topic CemaatKaz. My school system is not worried about any investigations of any form (journalistic or otherwise). All our finances and audits are available to the public and we have the TEA's full backing. Keep rambling. It makes you look crazier.
@wigon have us arrested if you don't like it. R U forgetting that this is not Turkiye, the only one that will be arrested is you. The world's journalists scorn you for the treatment of decent human beings. How does it feel to have no rights in the USA? Your group will never control the judical, police, politics, media in the USA. Too many people are on to your lying group. Watch 4 more news this week about your schools.
@CemaatKaz If you falsely report a crime to law enforcement in AMERICA, people DO get arrested. If you were American, you would know this. Every American knows this. You also already agreed with me earlier that it would be impossible for Gulen's organization to ever control America. So no worries for Americans. High-Five! I think every American should get to know these Gulen Turkish people to see how evil and sinister they are as you claim.
@wigon "We Americans" wow you really do stoop low. You are a Turd oops Turk. Stop lying. You parade around the internet defending Hizmet (Gulen Movement) 24/7 because U R a Turk. So be proud instead of ashamed you are part of Hizmet. Stop guarding secrets like you guard your chastity. Hocaefendi is gay and those sleep overs and home visits of the teachers are getting very nasty. You naughty little boy and your "group" of single male missionaries horny for more young boys.
@CemaatKaz Again you persist with the ugly personal insults and hilarious belief that I'm Turkish. Meanwhile I've proven that you are NOT American and anyone with half a brain can verify this by seeing how you spell Turkiye and your insane hatred for anything Turkish that would soundly place you as being Armenian (or a Kurd who is a supporter of the PKK which is a REAL terrorist organization listed on the U.S. State Dept.'s list of terrorist organizations).
Wigon is a tool of the Gulen Movement, shamelessly defending them as an "Amerikan" only he is no proud Amerikan" and never will be. Go to your leader Hocaefendi and tell him "the end is near" very very soon my friend.
@CemaatKaz My DD-214 and honorable discharge papers say otherwise and I'd happily scan and send a redacted version to anyone as well as speak to any U.S. Army veteran or current member who is actually believes your allegations. You have never attempted to because you are not former military. YOu also have never attempted to question my background in counter-terrorism research because again, you know nothing of such fields, but if anyone does, I welcome such challeges.
@wigon Scan the discharge papers & show us. If U were such a proud patriot of USA u would post your true name. instead u do the Gulen schuffle with new names & background 2 drown out the obvious. bull shit to your post, u r a Turd oops Turk. Rick Perry will be the victor in HIS state, he knows u r terrorists. It would be difficult 4 u to know who is your enemy because the world scorns the Turk, forget about the EU......they don't want u or your lies. Your brethren r defecting everyday.
@CemaatKaz You obviously don't know what "redacted" means. But thank you for acknowledging that you are part of a group by using the word "us" and not a simple concerned American. Also only an idiot broadcasts their real name all over the internet. Furthermore, the scans are not for you. You have your own agenda and even un-redacted would only be used by you for furthe propaganda purposes. The scans are for any concerned AMERICAN or parent with kids at one of our Texas schools.
That news show should have interviewed the American teachers who were allegedly fired. That's very unprofessional reporting. As a AMERICAN, NON-TURKISH and NON-MUSLIM board member of some of these misnamed "Gulen schools" who has served 8 years in the U.S. Army Reserve and done years of research in counter-terrorism, I've investigated similar allegations and they've always ended up being politically motivated, lies, and plain ol' Islamophobia and racism.
@wigon So I guess you're the jerk who is in part to blame for the School favoring Turk contactors and other turkish / gulen affiliated business. Using Islamophobia as a defence for these bahaviors then you are saying these bahaviors are part of Islam. Thanks we now have now been better enlightened and have a broader understanding. So the phobia or irrational fear of Islam haas now been replaced with Islamo-Aware. Besides the Gulen Cult is no islam than Scientology is to Orthodox Chritianty.
@ohohmrbill1 First, my schools were not Harmony schools (but Harmony affiliated) so we were not involved in that. However we investigated that. The NY Times article left out the bit about the "lowest bidder" being unable to meet the deadline of Aug. 1st. Guess who was next in line? If you check around, there are alot of major Turkish construction companies in America & they do a LOT more then build schools. I will agree with you however that the Gulen movement is different then Orthodox Islam.
@ohohmrbill1 I've had PMs with this clown. He trashes American teachers as incompetent and lazy and claims that Turks are superior. What a joke, imported Turks are inexperienced from at the 1 school i looked at (good luck finding teachers rosters most places). Hell, I found a student handbook showing blatant 1st amendment violations, he blew that off as lawyers looked at the document. He can shove his fucking credentials up his ass, irrelevant even if true.
@robertmike57 I DO NOT trash American teachers. Many of them are excellent, but they also have a to be brought up to speed as many are not accustomed to conducting home visits and often working late hours. Also our Turkish teachers are far from inexperienced and meet all qualification requirements. As for 1st amendment violations, which do you speak of? I had thought we had PM'ed cordially and that I had answeed all your questions, so your characterization of me here is disappointing.
@wigon American teachers have Turkish teachers beat any day. Your education is the worst in international rankings, stop your con game of some sort of superior education from Turkey. You are a pathetic liar like the rest of your lying and thieving group. Take cover my friend, they are circling your racketeering ways are over.
@wigon home visits are your groups way of embedding yourselves into our culture and manipulating families that are struggling and vulnerable that you are some sort of saviors. Americans don't do home visits because of "liability" issues you dummy!!! How many of those single moms are going to say you had sex with them or their sons? With the Gulen Movement there have been reports of inappropriate behavior with your "sleep overs" etc.,
@CemaatKaz HAHAHA! Are you serious? ALL OUR TEACHERS including the Americans who make up the vast majority of our teachers, are required to make these home visits. Go look up the Harmony faculty handbook or talk to ANY Harmony teacher instead of spreading outright lies and falsehoods. Your also very correct that our teachers are saviors of what was a crumbling public school system. I am damn proud of the work they do.
@robertmike57 RobertMike you might want to go back and re-read our PM correspondence and then look at what you posted about me here on this thread. I'm not demanding it, but an an honorable man would apologize as I give you the benefit of the doubt that you may have mistaken me with someone else or just had a memory fart. I thought you seemed like a pretty nice guy with reasonable questions and concerns in our PM's.
@wigon Apologize for what? You stated there were no qualified Americans for jobs filled by Turks, "that brought up to speed" would mean that they won't pay Tuzuk like Turks. Science teachers are the only ones where Gulen can get away with H1-B fraud.
Charter schools EVERYWHERE never post staff directories, so I can't check your assertion. I KNOW about half Turks at the 1 Indiana Gulen school were NOT fully credentialed from the INDOE website.
@robertmike57 He is a liar!!! Turkish teachers are the worst and their education is below standard on OCED rankings. The winners are the schools in Finland. Turkey has 14 million illiterate and over 2,000 children a day dropping out of school. Additionally over 300,000 Turkish teachers are out of work because this parasite group has taken over the education system and pushing non-Gulenists out. Now the Carlyle Group is purchasing Turkish schools, they will own Gulen's Empire soon.
@robertmike57 WHAT IN THE HELL??? I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT TUZUK!. Let me quote from our last PM what you said (AND I WILL GIVE SEND A SCREENSHOT OF THE MESSAGE FROM YOU IN MY INBOX TO ANYONE WHO REQUESTS IT). And I quote from your PM:: "A very detailed response, am impressed and satisfied you're not a Gulen shill. Just writing stuff off the top of my head here, lost interest in Gulen schools, more interested in the inferior Charter Schools." Apparently you didn't lose interest.
@wigon You exposed yourself as a shill when you were talking about how the Texas Gulen schools were giving contracts to Gulen affilated companies, something I know little and commented nothing about.
BTW, Indiana has been bought and paid for by Charter schools with $250K to Gov Daniels PAC. I will concede there are absolute shit Charter schools worse than Gulen there. Gulen is simply ostentious with Bilal handing out Turkey trips, awards & gifts in IN.
@robertmike57 Here is what I actually said: "I investigated the allegations of kickbacks regarding that construction contract. The New York Times article (which every other blog and news media quoted) left out the kinda important detail that the lowest bidder was not selected because they could not meet the Aug.1st deadline in which the school semester started.
@robertmike57 continued from my quote of what I actually said: "There are also MANY other reasons to turn down a lowest bidder including a poor Better Business Bureau rating, bad past experiences with that contractor, and a difference in services/materials rendered vs. cost differences.
@robertmike57 cont. from below what I actually said: " It's not cut and dry and these days, with few banks providing loans to charter schools, very few construction companies are willing to risk submitting the bids. Also if one bid is late, it is automatically thrown out no matter what. No exceptions otherwise we face all kinds of liability issues."
@robertmike57 So basically Mr. Robertmike, you have shown yourelf to be an outright liar completely misrepresenting what I said. I will send screenshots of my correspondence with RobertMike to ANYONE who does not believe me and who wishes to see our actual conversation and my responses. Then they can read RobertMike's assertions of what I said to see what kind of dishonorable untrustworthy individual this person is.
@CemaatKaz How could they "out" teachers? Please show me the interviews with these teachers by PM. What is funny to me is that my own school system is actually a much larger majority of American teachers and administrators. Many of our administrators are also American (of non-Turish ethnicity) women. Likewise in many of the Harmony schools I've visited. There's always the chance for a few incompetent administrators at some schools but most of the accusations are Islamophobic b.s..
@wigon Islamophobic is you playing victim and once again shirking your financial mismanagement. I have a question for you. Is your boss Soner going to pay the contractors for Harmony School of Political Science so those Mechanic Liens of $500K are lifted? Another question what do you think about Sema Foundation and the Federal arrest under "conducting business with the enemy act?" circling in on you. lay low.
@wigon Search "Today's Zaman" when the writer becomes the story. How your group shamelessly attacked innocent teachers in Louisana when your Abramson Science and Technology school was CLOSED you attacked the teachers BY NAME who told the truth. This is Hizmet way, you don't attack the argument you attack the people who disagree with Imam Ordusu just like the journalists you have jailed for speaking the truth. Censorship and intimidation will not work in the USA. YOU LOSE, America wins!
@CemaatKaz If a teacher wants to make an allegation about the school, then there is no reason not to disclose the reason why she was fired. As a public record it is something that state and federal investigators can investigate for any signs of blackmail or extortion. Also they are not "my group". The Harmony system I am affiliated does NOT run that school nor do I have any connection with that school system in Louisiana.
@wigon LOL! Anyone using the Islamophobia label is the one doing the bs'ing. Fact is Islam is a disgusting religion, Honor killings, child brides, cousin marriages, useless madrassa Koran memorization, dragging Muslims down in Sharia law and forcing those who want to leave Islam to stay in the religion. Aisha Khan of Kansas forced to marry her Pakistani cousin...that the real story? Family shut up on that, Aisha probably an apostate fearing for her life
@robertmike57 And you see these Turks doing all these horrible things you say Islam represents eh? How about spend some time with them and see what REAL Muslims are like. I've known these people for years and have studied Islamic theology as an anthropologist for almost a decade (although I'm not Muslim, I'm a Unitarian). What you describe are the extremists the media and hollywood shows you 24/7. Your average Muslim is someone quite different.
@wigon Those are not true Muslims variation argument is crap with stuff I mentioned and has limited validity with gory atrocities committed for Islam. Cousin marriage rates in Islamic countries= horrifying to this Bio major.
Get your trip to Turkey from Gulen? Hey, put in a good word for me, I would love to go with an "ecumenical" group, I would post positive things I observe. I call myself a "Premomentarian", the moment whatever God appears to me, that's the God I'll do its bidding.
@robertmike57 Ok, please find me ANYTHING in Islam that says to marry your cousin. You also will find attrocities committed in the name of many religions and ideologies. Oh, & no I've never been to Turkey (although I have lived & worked in other parts of the Middle East). As for whatever you believe regarding God, that's fine but these schools don't anything associated with religion other then state approved texts on social studies & history that may in passing mention religions of the world.
@wigon God are you dishonest. Surah 4:23 only tells you who NOT to marry, Mohammad married cousins, good enough for Muslims, then, is the basic defense. The moral equivalence argument for defending Islam vicious brutality and widespread oppression is always a joke.
@robertmike57 Again you distort what I said. I was very clear that the Qur'an does NOT say to marry cousins. Mohammed did have one wife who was a cousin, and while it may be considered sunah, you don't see this custom practiced anymore then you might for example, see it practiced in India or in many areas of Central and South America. It's not forbidden here in the United States either. Back to my main point, however, I don't know of a single Turk here in America who is married to a cousin.
@wigon You are wrong about cousin marriages. It flourishes & extensive in Islamic societies. It is illegal in most of the USA and a criminal offense in Texas. While cousin marriages are legal in most of the world, there is a very low rate, as with the east coast states where it is legal, although NE, PA & IN may not actively enforce their laws on Hutterites/Amish. Turkey has a relatively low rate of cousin marriage for an Islamic country, but still far higher than any state.
@robertmike57 From what I found, most states allow marriage to first cousins. Anyone can google the info to see for themselves. In Texas the law is rarely if ever enforced on that issue. Also in Indonesia (which has the largest Muslim population of any country in the world), I never once heard of anyone marrying their cousin in the years I lived there. Back to my main point, aside from small Salafi Turkish groups, most Turks are extremely moderate or liberal in their practice of Islam.
@robertmike57 right....only for about 300 years has it been the dominant religion, not that it matters much. Going back to the Turks, the argument against their schools is that they are teaching radical militant Islam. Where is the evidence. Surely I would have heard from one of the majority non-Muslim American teachers or parents if this was going on. Gulen's organizaton would have also been shut down long ago if he had any links to terrorist organizations.
@wigon I have never stated Gulen schools were teaching radical Islam, be against their best interests to do so. My problem with Gulen schools is similar to other charter schools, with the addition of H1-B visa abuse.
@robertmike57 No, but individuals who you support like ohnomrbill1 (who posted this video) do make that assertion. As for the H1B visa issue, I don't regard having 15% or less of a school's staff foreign as H1Bvisa abuse especially when they are creating a ton of jobs for Americans. These Turkish educators are the core of our schools and often have graduate degrees in their fields. We also don't want teachers fired from public schools due to low performance. We want THE BEST educators.
@wigon I'm not aware that Bill made the assertion that Gulen schools teach radical Islam, feel free to send me a link. I am not a supporter of Bill, such a vicious blogger of the Goose network. I think for myself, Gulen schools are mediocre to substandard, as with the award winning Cleveland school.
I understand Bill had a problem with a Gulen school, made public criticisms, then was harassed & threatened to be sued by Sonoran Academy. That'd piss me off too coming from a public entity.
@robertmike57 It's called "libel". When someone makes a completely false and unsubstantiated accusation (especially if they are criminal acts), the schools have perfectly legally valid reasons to push for lawsuits. If he is Dr. Paul L. Williams (who has made the fiercest attacks on the Sonoran Academy), you can see his accusations of these schools teaching radical Islam on the FamilySecurityMatters website.
@wigon Im no Dr. Paul Williams. He is a good guy and I respect him a lot. How long has it been since SSA threaten me with a lawsuit? If I am wrong then why not follow through. Oh that's right they are terrified of this little thing in the judicial process called discovery. In which they would have no choice but to open the books for scrutiny. Step down Wigon your cult is going get collared and you know it.
@ohohmrbill1 Sorry dude, I belong to no cult unless you consider the Unitarian church to be a cult. I have not been part of any libel action myself. My own school system has decided against doing this for two reasons. 1. It feeds the trolls (like yourself) and gives them press attention. 2. It is insanely expensive and even if successful would not likely recoup the costs of legal expenses. BTW, all our finances are public and audited by BOTH a 3rd party auditor AND the state.
@wigon ohohmrbill1 was not making libelous statements and is not Paul Williams. You missed the point that Charter Schools are public government. I agree Paul Williams writes false shit about Gulen schools. So what? Its not libel. Study the first amendment. I know Muslims like Gulen don't give a shit about the rights of others, but are crybabies and bullies when they are exposed.
@robertmike57 I disagree. It is libel when proven false statements directly impact the financial well-being of a person or institution. There are legal limits to free speech. Study any successful libel cases. They are not easy to win in court, but when one person's free speech directly oppresses the constitutional rights of others, that is where you hit that free speech boundary. The courts and juries decide how our laws are carried out, not Muslims..
@wigon Regarding the schools:they are PUBLIC SCHOOLS! If I want to say Halal butchering is done in cafeterias of Gulen schools in front of 1st graders, that's my 1st amendment right.
Re public figure Fethullah Gulen: New York Times Co. v. Sullivan is the standard he would have to meet for libel. He must prove by "clear and convincing evidence" that someone acted with intentional malice in gathering evidence and putting it together in a publication.
@robertmike57 Your example is not the same thing. You would simply be told to leave and if you refused, you would be escorted off the campus by police. If you however began appearing on news programs and writing articles in newspapers about such lies, then yes it would be grounds for libel as it could directly adversely effect school attendance, operations, and funding...and as such the livelihood of its employees.
@robertmike57 As for proof of malice, I'm not speaking about Fethullan Gulen. I'm speaking about individual charter schools accused of being some part of a Gulen conspiracy to scam taxpayers. These individual schools can easily meet that criteria as the evidence is self-evident that the goal of the individuals/organizations putting out the propaganda hurting these schools, do in fact have malicious intent to shut them all down by using proven lies and misleading information.
@robertmike57 Again, the reason why our schools don't usually pursue these libel suits is because of the fact that it gives these individuals and groups greater media publicity and because it is difficult to collect on any dammages awarded. Furthermore we suspect that many of these individuals are paid by larger political organizations but how they get funded is totally offlimits to investigations unless they conducted a criminal act. Libel is a civil issue & not criminal.
@robertmike57 Finally regarding your "We're not in Turkey" comment, again I'm not Turkish nor have I ever been to that country. I don't know how they do things there, but I do know how things are done here. Also I mentioned that such libel cases are hard to win because they also face the issue of bias and fear against Muslims especially if they go before a jury (depending on the state) who tend to almost always be non-Muslims who are easy prey to fear-mongoring defense attorneys.
@wigon Gulen and Adnan Oktar have a habit of getting critics sued and/or put in jail in Turkey for libel. Gulen has the money to buy bullshit from Clinton, he could vigorously pursue a legitimate libel suit.
Gulen is a fraud as an intellectual and as a promoter for peace. If Gulen wants my address to sue, I'm not hard to find. Oh course, truth is an absolute defense to libel, such a case would never get to trial.
@robertmike57 Turkish law and U.S. law are too very different things. I also don't care about Gulen. What he says or does has little impact on my school other then this political B.S. about our schools being " Gulen cult schools" and crap like that which has little bearing on the reality of the educational system and our educators, most of whom are American. As I stated earlier, libel suits are also very bad for P.R. no matter how legit they are.
@wigon You still don't get it. charter schools are government. People say far worse false things about local police, ATF, IRS, DEA ect a 1000 times a day far worse than what Paul Williams has said about Gulen schools.
@robertmike57 They are not the same thing as government. They are a government/private sector hybrid. We could not use TEA lawyers to sue anyone. Also rumors and propaganda against government agencies do not threaten to shut them down. Rumors, lies, and purposeful propaganda designed to scare parents away and to pressure politicians to shut down our schools (regardless of the facts) DO threaten the jobs of hundreds of people. As such it is a legit libel issue.
@wigon Since Gulen schools aren't "government/private sector hybrid", you proceeded to explain another reason why charter schools are garbage. They want all the taxpayer money and none of the accountability. Just looked at the Chicopee MA Gulen school: 36% teachers licensed to teach their subjects, school faculty roster not publicly available even on MADOE website. My brother works at a public school, takes 3 seconds to find his email address
@wigon you want the best Gulen members to kick back part of there paychecks back to the movement. We already started a study on kids who graduate from your schools and so far the findings is that when they do go to college wash out in their first year because they do not have the knowledge or skill to keep up. Hmmm could it because they did not earn there easy grade? Reports also show Gulenists cheat on tests in Turkey to get jobs and teaching positions police etc. Feeling the pinch yet?
@ohohmrbill1 Dude, study Islam. It is PART OF THEIR RELIGION to give a percentage of their earnings to their mosque or Islamic organization of choice. If it happens to be a Gulen mosque (which in many cities is the only Turkish mosque) or organization, then so be it. Nothing illegal or unusual about that. Please PM me this study and it's methodology. As an social scientist I'm well versed in how to conduct and critique such studies. Let's see your evidence.
@wigon you are a liar!!!! and it is all coming to the forthfront about your lying group. Don't stay in a country where you are not wanted. Go home and fix the failing schools of Turkey before the Carlyle Group takes over ALL THE education in Turkey.
@CemaatKaz You mean I shouldn't stay in the country for which I served 8 years in the U.S. Army for? Thank your lucky stars I served to protect your constitutional right to spoute such nonsense and ignorance. My home is called Texas in a free land called AMERICA where we defend our freedoms from biggots like yourself.
@wigon Wigon you are full of Sh**, you know this school was part of your network, and when they did interview the teachers (behind a screen- because your group threatened and intimidated them) Today's Zaman exposed their name and the reporter's name. No wonder the world's journalists hate your group. Your time in Amerika is done. You fool no one with your "U.S. Army Reserve" it is getting old your lies are not working.
@CemaatKaz Your usage of curse words and insults is synomymous with the lies and deceptive propaganda that your organizations are spreading about our schools. Your insistance that I am part of a "network" is laughable. Again I challenge anyone to disprove that I was in the U.S. Army Reserve. It is in fact illegal to claim that falsely. CemaatKaz, please report me to the FBI. They know who I am already.
@wigon You know nothing about American Mitiary except your stinking group is trying to get schools on our military bases. Those Marines in Hawaii kicked you off of Mokapu base. RIP Mokapu STEM school will never happen. Nor will the school on the military base in Illinois that your brothers at Concept Schools are trying to open. That reporter exposed your fraud background good. U can kiss that one goodbye, More of your schools DENIED rather than renewed or accepted. Stay tuned u loser liar
@CemaatKaz Ah, now you go back to pretending to be an American when from your spelling and attitudes, you clearly are not. Also again, I am not affiliated with any school outside of Texas...but hey keep on trying to convince yourself of that. Again, any former or current U.S. Army service member can ask me questions about the Army to verify that I was in. Our schools also are amongst the top ranking schools in Texas with full TEA support. Any AMERICAN taxpayer can verify this.
@CemaatKaz What is funny is that you make so many insults and allegations towards me. I have shared loads of information about myself with you and others in this discussion, yet you have said nothing about yourself...and rightly so because you would easily be exposed as a professional paid agitator who does not care if he/she undermines the education of Texas school children in the name of your stupid Turkish political campaign.
@wigon Funny thing is that Hizmet frequently states that Kaz Topluluk is being paid. We do it as a service to the USA and the world. We don't want you screwing up the world like you have in Turkiye. Turkiye is the laughing puppet of the world, even the moslem brothers despise your brand of Gulen Sufism. Let us insult you again "wigon" you fake low life. Your group stoops shamelessly acting like American Veterans, Hispanics, Jews anything 2 push your filth group to gain power. U R done.
@CemaatKaz What is Kaz Topluluk? But hey thanks for finally admitting that you are not American (taking screenshot). From your anti-Turkey comments and spelling of Turkey I can now narrow you down to being Armenian most likely as the level of hatred in your posts is extreme. Also thank you for pointing out that the Islamic Brotherhood hates Gulen Sufis. You are correct. I'm glad of that. Also no...I'm not done. I'm far from done. Hell I'm just getting warmed up.
U own nothing loser armenian ! u are 3rd class in USA even below blacks and hispanics,stop trying to talk to me. U r spreading bias info. about Turkey, there is internet, there are sites such as globalfirepower com and CIAfact books etc. people can search about Turkey,they do not list your shitty armenia on those sites.Go back to IRAN persian armenian moron, you do not belong to USA , get lost !!!
Such a bias program. Where is the right to defend? Why did not you speak with random kids and parents after the school instead of only going to the parents who are oppose the school.
@ohohmrbill1 Ottomans ruled over hundreds of nations for 600 years. All these nations still exist with their distinct cultures. non of them had to convert to Islam nor learn Turkish and forget their native language. But western colonial powers managed to enslave and assimilate people of Africa, America in a century. They have even saved your nation ( Jewish) from a genocide at Spain. Mark my words, they are coming back to save Palestinians and all the oppressed people of the middle east.
@sakirhan Oh Yes, The Turk is the savior of all the middle east. First of all, we are not respected or trusted in the middle east because we backstab Iran and Syria and other nations for the USA. We dont govern our country - Gulen does. We are not wanted in the European Union.
Turkey was Muammar Gaddafi’s most important ally in the years before the Libyan uprising. Turkish companies invested billions in the oil-rich Libya. Hence, when the uprising started Turkey tried to have it both ways – on the one hand it tried to avert a NATO operation against Gaddafi and his loyalists, yet on the other hand it condemned the killing of civilians. Yet NATO members and the UN disregarded Turkey’s objection and embarked on an aerial assault that prompted Gaddafi’s ouster.
P.S. in 2003, Turkey wouldn't let us use the air space to attack Iraq, ROT (Republic of Turkey) has issues with Syria and Iran. Your own Moslem brothers do not trust you - why would America? Please, you need to do better on your silly argumentation.
Turkey is not a trusted ally, only Israel is. Turkey was only used and granted permission to be in NATO because the USA wanted it to appear as though one Moslem country could be trusted to join NATO. NATO and the UN is BS and will not save your reputation in the world stage. Now that the Jewish lobbyists and Congress is done with you, lost all of your "friendships" with the politicians, no one is returning your calls even after the FREE trips to Turkey. Cannot even bribe them anymore.
Attilla the Honey should comment how Turkey is now going to return land, property stolen from non-moslem populations in Turkey. The TRUE indigenous people who built ROT prior to 1923. Before you even had an alphabet or country established. Gulen will never return to Turkey, because he cannot face the truth, instead he hides like a little girl into our arms for protection. Did you ever wonder what will happen when we are done using Gulen? Poor desperate Hizmet acting like big humanitarians.
P.S. you will never be accepted into the European Union with civilized and educated people. Poor Gulen and AKP keep sniffling and trying to appear like the great humanitarians of the world for Somalia, etc., putting in your worthless schools while Turkey has over 14 million illiterates. Everyone can see through the mask of the Gulen Turd, your past massacring Europeans and your heroin smuggling, etc., you have over 12,000 human rights violations in the European Council Court. Good Luck loser
Did you really think a bunch of Turds could compete with Israel? As far as those Ermenis and Russians go, good for them they ripped off Amerika, now they got their share instead of Hizmet making off with over $2 billion a year in educational tax money and raping the mind and bodies of American children. Gulen teachers are fags and rape children. You don't even speak English good enough to educate anyone and there are 14 million illiterate in Turkey, you should start with educating your own.
@tubebellator You ugly filthy mixed up rootless fuck die in hell ! I feel sorry for u guys, u are all stock there, and u all hate one another, keep sucking negro dicks, junkie fucks...
@AtillaCengizTimur Atilla, where did you learn your POTTY MOUTH from? A gulen "inspired" school? You are a joke and have no say in America. You have been attacking northern Iraq, criticizing Syria, Libya and Egypt and it will backfire on your self-rightous indignant attitude. Atilla you are of Central Asia background (Mongolian) you invaded Byzantium Christiandom in the 1400's, burnt churches, converted Constaniople to Istanbul and converted St. Hagia Sofia into a mosque, you have NO SHAME.
@Americathebrave100 U are an another armenian minority,u live in USA but u couldn't be an American.Turks are from Central Asia so what low life ? Is it a state secret ? We had thousands of mosques,schools etc. in the east Europa,in balkans,in armenia,where are they now u barbarian racist moron? I have pride no shame,TURKS built more and greatest states,empires in the world than rest of the world combined.Soon TURKIYE will be world leader,your nightmares will return,potty mouth is yours,wash it
@AtillaCengizTimur Atilla the Hun, you are a Mongolian Barbarian and the world knows it. Even your distant Turkic tribes in Central Asia want nothing to do with you. Did you hear about Turkmenistan throwing out the Turkish schools and contractors? How about Uzbekistan? You are a laugh a minute you insignifcant piece of garbage, you will not win in America because we are better than you and have more money and respect from the world. Who respects you? Not even Azerbaijan wants your schools.
@Americathebrave100 Go back to hungry armenia fake american,pretender !!! Everybody knows that Mongols are a Turkish tribe,mongols descendants of GokTURKs and Uygur Turks.I am proud to call call Mongolians as my blood brothers so what gypsy looking armenian,dark motherfucker ! Invest in some bleaching cream ! Look at your monkey looking armenian president,he is hairy and ugly, don't you guys ever go to barber ? Oh yes starving armenia has no barber shop,sorry I forgot it ahaa! crooked armenian
@AtillaCengizTimur Go back to Backward Turkey where Honor killings, and jailing of journalists are daily pastimes. You are the joke of the civilized world that is why classy Europeans don't want you around. Read your post again and your foul mouth and ask yourself if your group should be teaching children in America. The answer is obviously "no" and your Turkification and Turkish Olympiads are a joke. Ha ha. Why don't you talk about your mongolian purple spots on your hairy butts? he he
@Americathebrave100 Stop trash talking about my wonderfull TURKIYE liar armenian ! Brother in law of armenian president forgered medicare,social security bills and milked 400 million US $ from US,american taxpayers in Ca. You armenians are burden to American people, armenians crooked,liars and mentally disturbed untrustworthy people. Stop ripping off Americans,u guys are tiny version of jew Madoff criminal. Go back to aRMENIA Christian religious fascist morons !
@AtillaCengizTimur Keep dreaming Turd oops I mean Turk, you are the joke and armpit of the world with your paranoid and dramatic antics. The world laughs at you, especially after you stupid move throwing out the Israeli Ambassador, you are done. America supports Israel over Turds anyday, you will cry in your mother's bosom every time one of your schools is closed. Your masters Israel and America created the Gulen Movement now we are done with you TURDs. Turds are the fascists, this is fact.
@Americathebrave100 Turks can do so much, watch it how Israel going to pay a price. USA is our NATO ally (your armenia is in russian military pact ).Don't worry for Turkey ! U worry for your stone age,hungry armenia.For your information Turkish navy is the 2nd biggest in Europe after Russia,Turkish navy has 475 vehicles,Israel has only 64 vehicles mostly small attack boats. Soon TURKEY will be world leader,can u say that for your stupid armenia ? I did not think sooo,no hope for u kill yourself
@AtillaCengizTimur Turks you mean Turds don't you? Israel has more than you think, Armenia and Israel are not so stupid they have the support of super powers that insure their successes. How do you think such small countries win against countries that are 8 times their size?
Is that all the better you can do? Your Stupid Turkey has just about screwed themselves with this latest Turkish drama of insulting the Israeli Ambassador. No country owes Turds an "apology"
@AtillaCengizTimur Don't get too cocky thinking that the USA has your back, they are not your ally. We are Israel's ally and partner. Mongolians in Central Asia don't even want you. How did you like getting your ass kicked by your Mongolian brothers? Turkmenistan not only kicked you out but now you sniffling Gulenists think you are going to sue Turmenistan for $1 billion, Crybabies, you will never see that money and never successfully sue them or the USA. We own you and
I know people who teaches at Harmony! They are very kind people and will never bring harm to people! Author of this video, just making money out of that, by showing schools and Gulen movement as something bad. I am my self graduated from Gulen schools, they were more kind to me, than even my relatives.
tritritriable 2 days ago
Oh also, before you continue lieing, you should take time to read Bava Metzia 23b-24a. Even though your income is based on lies & misrepresentations, there are legitimate and more honest ways of being a "watch-dog" vs. a sleazy political propagandist. Somewhere along the line you let what happened to your daughter turn into blind hatred and now a source of income. I'm sorry she experienced something bad, but you will find bad apples in any large school system. The key is whether they fix it.
wigon 2 weeks ago
As someone with a decade of experience in studying Islamic extremists, I've vetted these Gulen people and found them to be harmless I am proud to serve as a board member on a Harmony affiliated charter school system in Texas. We rank as some of the top schools in Texas and our finances and audits are open for any concerned taxpayer to study. Please talk to our schools teachers and parents to get the truth about our schools instead of listening to this PKK supporter's political propaganda.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon now why on earth would the Kurdish have a bone to pick with harmless Gulen people? Could it be that that Gulen gave a speech for them to kill Kurds???? Wigon keep it up or I block you...unlike you your pro gulen channels where they shut the comments off. Afraid of people posting the truth? Your enrollment is dropping teachers are speaking out, parents are speaking out. The IRS is catching on, the investigation is not over yet.your actions tell me you are very scared of this outcome
ohohmrbill1 2 weeks ago
@ohohmrbill1 Feel free to supress my freedom of speech. That is the hallmark of fascists which my grandfather and great Uncle faught in WWII. You may choose to block my freedom of speech, but I served my nation in the armed forces in the belief that I was perserving yours and I still believe that. I have not had a SINGLE teacher contact me (we have high morale), the IRS PROPOSAL was for ALL US charter schools, and we have HUGE parental support which any taxpayer can verify.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@ohohmrbill1 But hey again, if you wish to suppress the freedom of speech of former soldiers who preserve yours, then please by all means go ahead. I will simply mirror your comments on a new page anyways and answer them point by point. I love YouTube and I hope that they continue defending freedom of speech within constitutional perimeters. Banning me will simply shift me into high gear and give me more ammuntion towards illuminating your organizaton. Hooah!
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon As a board member you seem overly obsessed with this leaving comments on every video four times a day for the past two weeks. Using the idea of you being an ex military counter terrorism expert to intimidate others. The use of cults to hack emails data mines info. Not to mention calling up employers of any one who speaks against the cult. You guys are not scary...just deranged brainwashed cult followers of Hoca Fraudi Go look for a different job we just punched your time card.
ohohmrbill1 2 weeks ago
@ohohmrbill1 In psychological operations, this is known as "counter-propaganda" wich was actually my area of expertise in the area of my counter-terrorism research. While my area dealt with countering Al-Qaeda propaganda, the basic principles of the methodology are similar to countering your organization's propaganda. In both cases I also use truthful facts and state exactly who I am.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@ohohmrbill1 Also Bill, again I am not a follower of Gulen and never have been. I read some of his books (and Said Nursi's) to study up on his ideology, and I have worked with his followers in interfaith dialog programs (and they invite me to ramadan dinners and stuff like that). But that's it. I have never nor will I ever resort to harassment of you or anyone else (like calling people's employers). I'm only concerned with countering lies about my school system..
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon yeah kinda like all comments are closed off on your cult members videos and pages. Niagara foundation , gulenforworldpeace, gulencharterschool channels etc. By the way which school are you at and what is your real name?
ohohmrbill1 2 weeks ago
@ohohmrbill1 I've already stated that I am at a Harmony affiliated school and I'm not stupid enough to post my real name and open myself to phone harrassment by the psychos at your organization. But even you people did, it wouldn't stop me from rebuffing all your lies about my schools. I would just puruse criminal charges (or a civil suit) for harassment/threats. Also I do NOT run any of the Pro-Gulen YouTube channels nor do I work for them.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon Correction, I meant to say that I am a board member of a Harmony affiliated school system. At any rate, anyone is free to PM me if they have a YIM account and I can speak to them so they can see that I don't have even a hint of a Turkish accent and speak no Turkish. Although I imagine you'd think I was somehow faking a perfect midwestern American accent as well. lol Actually it'd probably just be easier for me to record a video with my voice.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon So again, which one would that be and what is your real name? As Tim Steller said who coined the phrase "Strategic Ambiguity" quit with the double talk. You keep talking like this and wonder why no one trusts you or your schools. The other issue is transparency.
ohohmrbill1 2 weeks ago
@ohohmrbill1 LOL!...You mean kinda like you don't post your real name on here? I've never even seen you state, your real name, who you are, or why you are obsessed with closing these schools. So it's rather ironic that you demand my full identity. I've already offered to talk on YIM where any idiot could tell that I'm an American, but hey whatever. Keep believing I'm some secret Jihadist Turk. Between you and the crazy Kurd, it's rather amusing.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon I think you for that....now i am going to make you famous. Enjoy.
ohohmrbill1 2 weeks ago
@ohohmrbill1 LOL! Have at it, you'll only find that I'm exactly who I say I am. Once you dig up my real name, you can also contact the U.S. Army and the TEA and verify everything I've told you. lol! Also make sure to run a Texas and federal criminal background check as well... clean as a whistle...not even any traffic or parking tickets. lol. But hey it's your (or more likely your sponsor's) money to waste.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@ohohmrbill1 BTW, Its amazing how threatened you feel by me. I expect that after you waste a bunch of money and time doing your amateur detective thing, that you'll resort to cyber-bullying, smear tactics (making up false stories about me just as you do about my schools), as well as phone and legal bullying/threats (even though I've never done anything of the sort to you). If so I'm prepared for that. I don't back down from bullies. No se puedes intimidar.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon now why on earth would the Kurdish have a bone to pick with harmless Gulen people? Could it be that that Gulen gave a speech for them to kill Kurds???? Wigon keep it up or I block you...unlike you your pro gulen channels where they shut the comments off. Afraid of people posting the truth? Your enrollment is dropping teachers are speaking out, parents are speaking out. The IRS is catching on, the investigation is not over yet.your actions tell me you are very scared of this outcome
ohohmrbill1 2 weeks ago
Wigon and his Turkish schools have assaulted American Education and will lose. This Gulen Movement is very predatory in nature. Worldwide their schools have caused problems and are controversial. In many countries they have been shut down in the USA they will be stopped. The IRS will not let you have any more retirement money. Not just a proposal my little Turk friend (and you are little we hear) but very much in the works, yes ALL charter schools. U are ruining it for the decent charters
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
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My fellow American readers, be advised CemaatKaz is a professional agitator/propagandist not from America (seen by how he/she spells Turkey as "Turkiye") who is trying to destroy top ranking charter schools (that are actually improving American education dramatically) with baseless lies and propaganda. I am speaking as someone who is a non-Muslim, AMERICAN on the school board of one of these so called "Gulen schools". I'm also ex-US military and have a background in counter-terrorism research.
wigon 2 weeks ago
So Wigon which is your favorite video? This news report about the FBI investigation on your loser schools or the CNN one talking about the schools? Then there is the CBN video or Joshua Hendrick's "secret agenda" when he debated Aslandogan in Texas. There is so many good news reports about your schools it is hard to decide. My favorite is the one about Harmony making students scrub toilets, then there is the one how you stole a students rosary from her. Shame on you.
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz And again, a bunch of rumors spread by your organization and now you're mixing up schools from other states with ours in Texas. But your disinformation tactics and rumor spreading is part of your mode of operation for your organizations as you've shown. Meanwhile the documented evidence shows that our schools are some of the highest performing in Texas. You can not ignore this, yet you, a foreign agitator, seek to destroy our school systems here in Texas.
wigon 2 weeks ago
Be advised, American readers that CemaatKaz is a professional agitator/propagandist not from America (seen by how he/she spells Turkey as "Turkiye") who is trying to destroy top ranking charter schools (that are actually improving American education dramatically) with baseless lies and propaganda. I am speaking as someone who is a non-Muslim, AMERICAN on the school board of one of these so called "Gulen schools". I am also ex-US military and have a background in counter-terrorism research.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon yeah, like that pathetic plea of desperation is going to do you any good. Ex military and counter terrorism? nope not buying it. Even that combination alone is even more reason why no body including American public not to trust you.
ohohmrbill1 2 weeks ago
@ohohmrbill1 First off I never worked for an intelligence agency. I did that research as part of my graduate studies. 2nd as I've mentioned before anyone with a military background can question me about my military experience. As soon as I talk about boring things like PMCS checks, setting the header and timing of an M2 barrel, keeping a pace-count, blue-falcons, crimping blasting caps,etc... I'm pretty sure any former Army member would recognize what I'm talking about.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon Good for us, see the latest video of Goose Network's message to the Gulen Movement. Wigon is part of the Gulen Movement. No American would act so desperate and defend this criminal CULT unless they were part of it. He has no training in counter-terrorism it is part of the Hizmet BS and Americans (real ones) are not falling for it. Wigon is a Gulenists and a poor liar trying to appear as something else to derail the topic of this news video about his fake group
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz Yeaaah sure... Any concerned in Texas can PM me and I'd be happy to eat some pork BBQ and drink a few a beers with them. By the way, I saw the time stamp from my YouTube message notice and it said your recent message just a short while ago was at 6:47am while when you wrote that it was just before 1 am here. That means you're not even posting from the United States. Way to go foreign agent. Good Job! You are obviously Professional. (Another screenshot for the archives).
wigon 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz Why would I check your Goose Network websites? They are run by you and your Armenian and Pro-PKK terrorist loving friends. But like you said, give yourselves a pat on the back since nobody else will. "GReAT SUCcESs!" (Borat) But since you already lied about me being some kind of super-secret Gulen fanantic, why stop there. Please make some really juicy lies. Come on, come up with some more original things otherwise you are not very good at character assassination.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon Why would you care about an Ermeni? Thought you were not Turkish? You are a crazy typical Gulenists that is so ashamed to admit your affilations with the Gulen Movement. Hey what do you think about the IRS no longer allowing charter school employees to dip into state retirement plans? pretty groovy eh? Come back to Turkiye and prove you are a man and stand trial for trying to overthrow a secular government.
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz Again more lies. The IRS did not pass such a law. They only made a proposal and it effects ALL charter schools not just those founded by Turks. I could care less who runs Turkey as long as they leave their politics at home when they come here to America. All of the Turks I know have done exactly this and only foreign agitators (Armenian or Kurdish PKK supporters like yourself) are trying to do otherwise. By attacking our schools you are attacking America's children.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon you should check the latest video there is a special message from Hocaefendi on there.
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz I have no idea who or what Hocafendi is, nor do I care to.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon Dear Americans are on our side not yours!!! you are the ENEMY you are the Gulen Movement trying to dominate education worldwide and you will not succeed in America. You can google as much American military information as you want and try to mask yourself as some military expert but it is BS. You are nothing. Talk about the Military generals in Turkiye that your group has made step down and your bad attempt to take over Turkiye's military (won't ever happen) Hocaefendi fails once again
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz Um...I am American. You on the other hand are posting from a different country somewhere in Central Asia judging from the fact that your posts are 5 hours ahead of mine (I am CST). And again, nope...I'm not a Gulen member. Hahaha...yes please find on Google the trick to putting together an M60 machine gun bolt assembly. Please find on Google info on what caused that large hole at the far right firing position on the M2 machine-gun range at North Ft. Hood. lol!
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon You can learn many things by simply "google" we know you are not military. You are a lying Gulenist. You see...lying and being a Gulenist are the same thing. Except your lies are so bad.
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz Yes again answer my question. What is the little trick to putting together the bolt-assembly of an M60 machinegun? It is not in any manual. Likewise how was that hole made in the far right firing position at the M2 crew-served weapons range at North Fort Hood. Every soldier who has trained there knows this story and it is not on the internet. If it's on Google, please find this. lol! Any fellow former American soldier can question me and know that I am who I say I am.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon So what...even us Turkics from Central Asia hate Gulen too. We closed his schools in Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. We threw your brothers out on their arses. They cried like babies like Gulen does in his sermons. You crybabies. how is the Spanish guitar thing going?
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz Last I heard the Turkish founded schools in Central Asia were thriving. You seem to complain an awful lot about them so obviously they are still going strong. That seems to infuriate you. Regardless, what the the governments of Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan do is none of my business and you, a foreign agitator, should stay out America's education system which you clearly know nothing about yet seek to undermine. Meanwhile you still hide your identity like a coward.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz I could care less about Turkish politics, but the more you keep bring it up, the more it's obvious that your posts have nothing to do with schools here in Texas that you keep trying to drag into your hate filled anti-Turkish vendetta. You must have lost a lot of family members to Turks to have so much hatred. Have you thought of maybe seeking professional psychological help to deal with your anger. What do you think would resolve your anger towards Turks?
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon I love Turks, I hate the Gulenists.
and of course, liars like you.
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz You said the opposite earlier about Turks. Nice lying again. Maybe you are Turkish are you are just ashamed of your country? If so leave it in Turkey and don't drag the American education system into it as it only threatens to harm American children and destroy American jobs. But a person like you does not care what harm you do to Americans. You are sadly blinded by your hateful political ideology. How do you look at yourself in the mirror every morning?
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon Maybe I am part of Ergenekon. Now why would that concern you? a non-Muslim ex- military person a proud American on the school board. You are laugh out loud funny, or you must think Americans are really stupid.
YAWN - give it up.
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
Great Video every American Teacher, parent and other Pro-american groups love this video.
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
By the way also note how CemaatKaz spells "Turkey". He spells it as a Turk or an Armenian would: "Turkiye". Readers beware, this individual is NOT an American. These people like CemaatKaz are paid foreigners who are tryng to drag YOUR schools and into their ugly Turkish politics. I am taking some more screenshots to document this just in case he deletes his post and claims I am lying (as I expect him/her to do). .
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon Does it really matter who that other person is. Maybe you are just fishing for information to satisfy your own ridiculous paranoid thoughts? You claim everone is getting paid to do these things. You keep saying that over and over Even if it were true then you have ask yourself Why would anyone not like Gulen or his Agenda so much that they would pay oe to support the truth? Who did Gulenists piss off so bad that they would do this.? You really are a knuckle head. Screen shot that.
ohohmrbill1 2 weeks ago 2
@ohohmrbill1 No it does matter. It is important to me as a social scientist to understand the motivations of individuals behind their words and actions. If he/she is Armenian or Kurdish, then it makes sense why they post such things regardless of what the truth is documented as being (and what the Texas Education Agency, the parents of our school's students, and our American teachers know to be true).
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon Thought U were not Turkish? So are you Turkocentric? against Kurds, Jews and others. Go ahead and make screen shots, and you are a liar. Watch the news every day like a good soldier, u will never be able to keep up with all the controversy connected 2 your loser schools. Get busy with the screen shots Hizmet/Wigon OH NO we are so afraid. OH NO "u touch it you burn" wait for the next weekly broadcast from your Hocaefendi. It will be special. No one is deleting their posts.
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz Again you are rambling Cemaat. How am I a liar for pointing out that you identified yourself as a Turk (or at least Central Asian) by your spelling of the name Turkey? You are angry because you made an obvious mistake in your propaganda and identified yourself as a foreigner accidentally. The screenshots are not to scare you. The screenshots are for AMERICANS who are mislead by your lies so I can collect, document, and then demonstrate your lies to them. So keep lying.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon Ramblilng? is that your way of hijacking away from the facts? Americans don't care about your lying group. Go ahead and demonstrate. before you do so, be prepared to answer a statement of facts from the US government. IRS, DOL, DOE, USCIS are all done with you and your lies. No rambling here, only facts. U ramble about "military service" and other lies and it will NOT work. Your group is not wanted in the USA. SO MANY SCHOOLS DENIED, so much more to do. see you in the trenches
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@wigon Screw U, we don't want you in Central asia either. Talk about the closure and throwing out of your parasite group in Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. We will win our countries back from you leeches. Go fix Turkiye (if you can) before you profess to know what is right for others. The Turk is a loser.
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@wigon So what do you think about IRS ruling that your charter employees are NO LONGER qualifying for 401K retirements? Ha ha ha, no more money 4 U Wiggie. No go and wig out and cry to Fetosh, he will surely loan you some of his $25 Billion he has stolen from Turkey. Ever wonder why Gulen cannot return to beloved Turkiye? Believe me, he would if he could.
We both know he lives under lock & key on the Golden Generation compound 4 his safety. If he is so loved in Turkiye --he would return.
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz Regarding the 401K, so far this has only been a proposal by the IRS that would effect ALL charter schools nationally and has nothing to do with schools having a few Turkish employees. So again you are spreading half-truths to confuse people. Again, I could care less about Gulen other then that I like the people in his organization that I have known and found them to be very liberal Muslims. But keep up your anti-Gulen rants, it makes you look like a fanatic.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon check out the latest message from the goose network to the gulen movement. you are losing it is over. say good bye to all of that American money.
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@wigon Take screen shots, no one cares about you and gulen mulen the loser. He hides like a baby in the poconos. We dubbed him the "Pasha Prick of the Poconos" America's favorite puppet. America hates you and your group, you are responsible for lack of democracy in Turkey and jail decent journalists. Your human rights records sucks, and American journalists are not done with you yet. So many schools to shut down, keeping score? 75 denied and 34 pending. America wins, Gulen loses!
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz Again, you are obviously clueless about Americans. Most Americans have no clue who Gulen is and could really care less. Our schools have zero affiliation with Gulen except that a few of our Turkish teachers (who generally make up between 20-15% of the faculty which is mostly American) support Gulen. You post nothing but conspiracy theories, lies, and hate speech with no facts while trying to shut down some of America's best schools using Islamophobia, rather than facts.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon maybe a kurd? a Turkish Jew? the list that hates you is so long...Europe doesn't want you either.
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz No.... you're not a Turkish Jew. The people that attack them in Turkey generally tend to be Salafists and far removed from Sufi ideology. The Gulen movement seems to actually enjoy fairly broad support from the Jewish community (aside from a few radical Jewish groups) here in America especially amongst Kaballists who share common theological beliefs with Turkish Sufism.
wigon 2 weeks ago
What really pisses off the Gulen Movement and a**holes like Wigon are they cannot control American media as they do in Turkiye. The Gulen Movement cannot have American journalists and media arrested. In fact, the Gulen Movement is the enemy of the world's journalists.
CemaatKaz 3 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz You're the only one sounding pissed off with all your curse words. We Americans control our government and you are right that the Gulen movement could never control America. Thank you for finally agreeing with me on that topic CemaatKaz. My school system is not worried about any investigations of any form (journalistic or otherwise). All our finances and audits are available to the public and we have the TEA's full backing. Keep rambling. It makes you look crazier.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon have us arrested if you don't like it. R U forgetting that this is not Turkiye, the only one that will be arrested is you. The world's journalists scorn you for the treatment of decent human beings. How does it feel to have no rights in the USA? Your group will never control the judical, police, politics, media in the USA. Too many people are on to your lying group. Watch 4 more news this week about your schools.
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz If you falsely report a crime to law enforcement in AMERICA, people DO get arrested. If you were American, you would know this. Every American knows this. You also already agreed with me earlier that it would be impossible for Gulen's organization to ever control America. So no worries for Americans. High-Five! I think every American should get to know these Gulen Turkish people to see how evil and sinister they are as you claim.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon "We Americans" wow you really do stoop low. You are a Turd oops Turk. Stop lying. You parade around the internet defending Hizmet (Gulen Movement) 24/7 because U R a Turk. So be proud instead of ashamed you are part of Hizmet. Stop guarding secrets like you guard your chastity. Hocaefendi is gay and those sleep overs and home visits of the teachers are getting very nasty. You naughty little boy and your "group" of single male missionaries horny for more young boys.
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz Again you persist with the ugly personal insults and hilarious belief that I'm Turkish. Meanwhile I've proven that you are NOT American and anyone with half a brain can verify this by seeing how you spell Turkiye and your insane hatred for anything Turkish that would soundly place you as being Armenian (or a Kurd who is a supporter of the PKK which is a REAL terrorist organization listed on the U.S. State Dept.'s list of terrorist organizations).
wigon 2 weeks ago
Wigon is a tool of the Gulen Movement, shamelessly defending them as an "Amerikan" only he is no proud Amerikan" and never will be. Go to your leader Hocaefendi and tell him "the end is near" very very soon my friend.
CemaatKaz 3 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz My DD-214 and honorable discharge papers say otherwise and I'd happily scan and send a redacted version to anyone as well as speak to any U.S. Army veteran or current member who is actually believes your allegations. You have never attempted to because you are not former military. YOu also have never attempted to question my background in counter-terrorism research because again, you know nothing of such fields, but if anyone does, I welcome such challeges.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon Scan the discharge papers & show us. If U were such a proud patriot of USA u would post your true name. instead u do the Gulen schuffle with new names & background 2 drown out the obvious. bull shit to your post, u r a Turd oops Turk. Rick Perry will be the victor in HIS state, he knows u r terrorists. It would be difficult 4 u to know who is your enemy because the world scorns the Turk, forget about the EU......they don't want u or your lies. Your brethren r defecting everyday.
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz You obviously don't know what "redacted" means. But thank you for acknowledging that you are part of a group by using the word "us" and not a simple concerned American. Also only an idiot broadcasts their real name all over the internet. Furthermore, the scans are not for you. You have your own agenda and even un-redacted would only be used by you for furthe propaganda purposes. The scans are for any concerned AMERICAN or parent with kids at one of our Texas schools.
wigon 2 weeks ago
Atilla google "Gulen Bad Guy" on Utube, and see and hear the TRUE side of crimial Fethullah Gulen. The enemy of the world.
CemaatKaz 2 months ago
That news show should have interviewed the American teachers who were allegedly fired. That's very unprofessional reporting. As a AMERICAN, NON-TURKISH and NON-MUSLIM board member of some of these misnamed "Gulen schools" who has served 8 years in the U.S. Army Reserve and done years of research in counter-terrorism, I've investigated similar allegations and they've always ended up being politically motivated, lies, and plain ol' Islamophobia and racism.
wigon 5 months ago
@wigon So I guess you're the jerk who is in part to blame for the School favoring Turk contactors and other turkish / gulen affiliated business. Using Islamophobia as a defence for these bahaviors then you are saying these bahaviors are part of Islam. Thanks we now have now been better enlightened and have a broader understanding. So the phobia or irrational fear of Islam haas now been replaced with Islamo-Aware. Besides the Gulen Cult is no islam than Scientology is to Orthodox Chritianty.
ohohmrbill1 5 months ago
@ohohmrbill1 First, my schools were not Harmony schools (but Harmony affiliated) so we were not involved in that. However we investigated that. The NY Times article left out the bit about the "lowest bidder" being unable to meet the deadline of Aug. 1st. Guess who was next in line? If you check around, there are alot of major Turkish construction companies in America & they do a LOT more then build schools. I will agree with you however that the Gulen movement is different then Orthodox Islam.
wigon 5 months ago
@ohohmrbill1 I've had PMs with this clown. He trashes American teachers as incompetent and lazy and claims that Turks are superior. What a joke, imported Turks are inexperienced from at the 1 school i looked at (good luck finding teachers rosters most places). Hell, I found a student handbook showing blatant 1st amendment violations, he blew that off as lawyers looked at the document. He can shove his fucking credentials up his ass, irrelevant even if true.
robertmike57 4 months ago
@robertmike57 I DO NOT trash American teachers. Many of them are excellent, but they also have a to be brought up to speed as many are not accustomed to conducting home visits and often working late hours. Also our Turkish teachers are far from inexperienced and meet all qualification requirements. As for 1st amendment violations, which do you speak of? I had thought we had PM'ed cordially and that I had answeed all your questions, so your characterization of me here is disappointing.
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon American teachers have Turkish teachers beat any day. Your education is the worst in international rankings, stop your con game of some sort of superior education from Turkey. You are a pathetic liar like the rest of your lying and thieving group. Take cover my friend, they are circling your racketeering ways are over.
CemaatKaz 1 month ago
@wigon home visits are your groups way of embedding yourselves into our culture and manipulating families that are struggling and vulnerable that you are some sort of saviors. Americans don't do home visits because of "liability" issues you dummy!!! How many of those single moms are going to say you had sex with them or their sons? With the Gulen Movement there have been reports of inappropriate behavior with your "sleep overs" etc.,
CemaatKaz 1 month ago
@CemaatKaz HAHAHA! Are you serious? ALL OUR TEACHERS including the Americans who make up the vast majority of our teachers, are required to make these home visits. Go look up the Harmony faculty handbook or talk to ANY Harmony teacher instead of spreading outright lies and falsehoods. Your also very correct that our teachers are saviors of what was a crumbling public school system. I am damn proud of the work they do.
wigon 1 month ago
@robertmike57 RobertMike you might want to go back and re-read our PM correspondence and then look at what you posted about me here on this thread. I'm not demanding it, but an an honorable man would apologize as I give you the benefit of the doubt that you may have mistaken me with someone else or just had a memory fart. I thought you seemed like a pretty nice guy with reasonable questions and concerns in our PM's.
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon Apologize for what? You stated there were no qualified Americans for jobs filled by Turks, "that brought up to speed" would mean that they won't pay Tuzuk like Turks. Science teachers are the only ones where Gulen can get away with H1-B fraud.
Charter schools EVERYWHERE never post staff directories, so I can't check your assertion. I KNOW about half Turks at the 1 Indiana Gulen school were NOT fully credentialed from the INDOE website.
robertmike57 1 month ago
@robertmike57 He is a liar!!! Turkish teachers are the worst and their education is below standard on OCED rankings. The winners are the schools in Finland. Turkey has 14 million illiterate and over 2,000 children a day dropping out of school. Additionally over 300,000 Turkish teachers are out of work because this parasite group has taken over the education system and pushing non-Gulenists out. Now the Carlyle Group is purchasing Turkish schools, they will own Gulen's Empire soon.
CemaatKaz 1 month ago
@robertmike57 WHAT IN THE HELL??? I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT TUZUK!. Let me quote from our last PM what you said (AND I WILL GIVE SEND A SCREENSHOT OF THE MESSAGE FROM YOU IN MY INBOX TO ANYONE WHO REQUESTS IT). And I quote from your PM:: "A very detailed response, am impressed and satisfied you're not a Gulen shill. Just writing stuff off the top of my head here, lost interest in Gulen schools, more interested in the inferior Charter Schools." Apparently you didn't lose interest.
wigon 1 month ago
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wigon 1 month ago
@wigon You exposed yourself as a shill when you were talking about how the Texas Gulen schools were giving contracts to Gulen affilated companies, something I know little and commented nothing about.
BTW, Indiana has been bought and paid for by Charter schools with $250K to Gov Daniels PAC. I will concede there are absolute shit Charter schools worse than Gulen there. Gulen is simply ostentious with Bilal handing out Turkey trips, awards & gifts in IN.
robertmike57 1 month ago
@robertmike57 Here is what I actually said: "I investigated the allegations of kickbacks regarding that construction contract. The New York Times article (which every other blog and news media quoted) left out the kinda important detail that the lowest bidder was not selected because they could not meet the Aug.1st deadline in which the school semester started.
wigon 1 month ago
@robertmike57 continued from my quote of what I actually said: "There are also MANY other reasons to turn down a lowest bidder including a poor Better Business Bureau rating, bad past experiences with that contractor, and a difference in services/materials rendered vs. cost differences.
wigon 1 month ago
@robertmike57 cont. from below what I actually said: " It's not cut and dry and these days, with few banks providing loans to charter schools, very few construction companies are willing to risk submitting the bids. Also if one bid is late, it is automatically thrown out no matter what. No exceptions otherwise we face all kinds of liability issues."
wigon 1 month ago
@robertmike57 So basically Mr. Robertmike, you have shown yourelf to be an outright liar completely misrepresenting what I said. I will send screenshots of my correspondence with RobertMike to ANYONE who does not believe me and who wishes to see our actual conversation and my responses. Then they can read RobertMike's assertions of what I said to see what kind of dishonorable untrustworthy individual this person is.
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon The only memory fart is you and your group! In fact you are one big smelly FART that is soon to be extinguished from America.
CemaatKaz 1 month ago
@wigon many of the American teachers have been interviewed. gulen's Today's zaman even tried to intimidate them by outing them on a article.
CemaatKaz 2 months ago
@CemaatKaz How could they "out" teachers? Please show me the interviews with these teachers by PM. What is funny to me is that my own school system is actually a much larger majority of American teachers and administrators. Many of our administrators are also American (of non-Turish ethnicity) women. Likewise in many of the Harmony schools I've visited. There's always the chance for a few incompetent administrators at some schools but most of the accusations are Islamophobic b.s..
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon Islamophobic is you playing victim and once again shirking your financial mismanagement. I have a question for you. Is your boss Soner going to pay the contractors for Harmony School of Political Science so those Mechanic Liens of $500K are lifted? Another question what do you think about Sema Foundation and the Federal arrest under "conducting business with the enemy act?" circling in on you. lay low.
CemaatKaz 1 month ago
@wigon Search "Today's Zaman" when the writer becomes the story. How your group shamelessly attacked innocent teachers in Louisana when your Abramson Science and Technology school was CLOSED you attacked the teachers BY NAME who told the truth. This is Hizmet way, you don't attack the argument you attack the people who disagree with Imam Ordusu just like the journalists you have jailed for speaking the truth. Censorship and intimidation will not work in the USA. YOU LOSE, America wins!
CemaatKaz 1 month ago
@CemaatKaz If a teacher wants to make an allegation about the school, then there is no reason not to disclose the reason why she was fired. As a public record it is something that state and federal investigators can investigate for any signs of blackmail or extortion. Also they are not "my group". The Harmony system I am affiliated does NOT run that school nor do I have any connection with that school system in Louisiana.
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon LOL! Anyone using the Islamophobia label is the one doing the bs'ing. Fact is Islam is a disgusting religion, Honor killings, child brides, cousin marriages, useless madrassa Koran memorization, dragging Muslims down in Sharia law and forcing those who want to leave Islam to stay in the religion. Aisha Khan of Kansas forced to marry her Pakistani cousin...that the real story? Family shut up on that, Aisha probably an apostate fearing for her life
robertmike57 1 month ago
@robertmike57 And you see these Turks doing all these horrible things you say Islam represents eh? How about spend some time with them and see what REAL Muslims are like. I've known these people for years and have studied Islamic theology as an anthropologist for almost a decade (although I'm not Muslim, I'm a Unitarian). What you describe are the extremists the media and hollywood shows you 24/7. Your average Muslim is someone quite different.
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon Those are not true Muslims variation argument is crap with stuff I mentioned and has limited validity with gory atrocities committed for Islam. Cousin marriage rates in Islamic countries= horrifying to this Bio major.
Get your trip to Turkey from Gulen? Hey, put in a good word for me, I would love to go with an "ecumenical" group, I would post positive things I observe. I call myself a "Premomentarian", the moment whatever God appears to me, that's the God I'll do its bidding.
robertmike57 1 month ago
@robertmike57 Ok, please find me ANYTHING in Islam that says to marry your cousin. You also will find attrocities committed in the name of many religions and ideologies. Oh, & no I've never been to Turkey (although I have lived & worked in other parts of the Middle East). As for whatever you believe regarding God, that's fine but these schools don't anything associated with religion other then state approved texts on social studies & history that may in passing mention religions of the world.
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon God are you dishonest. Surah 4:23 only tells you who NOT to marry, Mohammad married cousins, good enough for Muslims, then, is the basic defense. The moral equivalence argument for defending Islam vicious brutality and widespread oppression is always a joke.
robertmike57 1 month ago
@robertmike57 Again you distort what I said. I was very clear that the Qur'an does NOT say to marry cousins. Mohammed did have one wife who was a cousin, and while it may be considered sunah, you don't see this custom practiced anymore then you might for example, see it practiced in India or in many areas of Central and South America. It's not forbidden here in the United States either. Back to my main point, however, I don't know of a single Turk here in America who is married to a cousin.
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon You are wrong about cousin marriages. It flourishes & extensive in Islamic societies. It is illegal in most of the USA and a criminal offense in Texas. While cousin marriages are legal in most of the world, there is a very low rate, as with the east coast states where it is legal, although NE, PA & IN may not actively enforce their laws on Hutterites/Amish. Turkey has a relatively low rate of cousin marriage for an Islamic country, but still far higher than any state.
robertmike57 1 month ago
@robertmike57 From what I found, most states allow marriage to first cousins. Anyone can google the info to see for themselves. In Texas the law is rarely if ever enforced on that issue. Also in Indonesia (which has the largest Muslim population of any country in the world), I never once heard of anyone marrying their cousin in the years I lived there. Back to my main point, aside from small Salafi Turkish groups, most Turks are extremely moderate or liberal in their practice of Islam.
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon Indonesia doesn't have 1000 years of Islam, guess I didn't make that distinction.
robertmike57 1 month ago
@robertmike57 right....only for about 300 years has it been the dominant religion, not that it matters much. Going back to the Turks, the argument against their schools is that they are teaching radical militant Islam. Where is the evidence. Surely I would have heard from one of the majority non-Muslim American teachers or parents if this was going on. Gulen's organizaton would have also been shut down long ago if he had any links to terrorist organizations.
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon I have never stated Gulen schools were teaching radical Islam, be against their best interests to do so. My problem with Gulen schools is similar to other charter schools, with the addition of H1-B visa abuse.
robertmike57 1 month ago
@robertmike57 No, but individuals who you support like ohnomrbill1 (who posted this video) do make that assertion. As for the H1B visa issue, I don't regard having 15% or less of a school's staff foreign as H1Bvisa abuse especially when they are creating a ton of jobs for Americans. These Turkish educators are the core of our schools and often have graduate degrees in their fields. We also don't want teachers fired from public schools due to low performance. We want THE BEST educators.
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon I'm not aware that Bill made the assertion that Gulen schools teach radical Islam, feel free to send me a link. I am not a supporter of Bill, such a vicious blogger of the Goose network. I think for myself, Gulen schools are mediocre to substandard, as with the award winning Cleveland school.
I understand Bill had a problem with a Gulen school, made public criticisms, then was harassed & threatened to be sued by Sonoran Academy. That'd piss me off too coming from a public entity.
robertmike57 1 month ago
@robertmike57 It's called "libel". When someone makes a completely false and unsubstantiated accusation (especially if they are criminal acts), the schools have perfectly legally valid reasons to push for lawsuits. If he is Dr. Paul L. Williams (who has made the fiercest attacks on the Sonoran Academy), you can see his accusations of these schools teaching radical Islam on the FamilySecurityMatters website.
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon Im no Dr. Paul Williams. He is a good guy and I respect him a lot. How long has it been since SSA threaten me with a lawsuit? If I am wrong then why not follow through. Oh that's right they are terrified of this little thing in the judicial process called discovery. In which they would have no choice but to open the books for scrutiny. Step down Wigon your cult is going get collared and you know it.
ohohmrbill1 1 month ago
@ohohmrbill1 Sorry dude, I belong to no cult unless you consider the Unitarian church to be a cult. I have not been part of any libel action myself. My own school system has decided against doing this for two reasons. 1. It feeds the trolls (like yourself) and gives them press attention. 2. It is insanely expensive and even if successful would not likely recoup the costs of legal expenses. BTW, all our finances are public and audited by BOTH a 3rd party auditor AND the state.
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon ohohmrbill1 was not making libelous statements and is not Paul Williams. You missed the point that Charter Schools are public government. I agree Paul Williams writes false shit about Gulen schools. So what? Its not libel. Study the first amendment. I know Muslims like Gulen don't give a shit about the rights of others, but are crybabies and bullies when they are exposed.
robertmike57 1 month ago
@robertmike57 I disagree. It is libel when proven false statements directly impact the financial well-being of a person or institution. There are legal limits to free speech. Study any successful libel cases. They are not easy to win in court, but when one person's free speech directly oppresses the constitutional rights of others, that is where you hit that free speech boundary. The courts and juries decide how our laws are carried out, not Muslims..
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon Regarding the schools:they are PUBLIC SCHOOLS! If I want to say Halal butchering is done in cafeterias of Gulen schools in front of 1st graders, that's my 1st amendment right.
Re public figure Fethullah Gulen: New York Times Co. v. Sullivan is the standard he would have to meet for libel. He must prove by "clear and convincing evidence" that someone acted with intentional malice in gathering evidence and putting it together in a publication.
We're not in Turkey.
robertmike57 1 month ago
@robertmike57 Your example is not the same thing. You would simply be told to leave and if you refused, you would be escorted off the campus by police. If you however began appearing on news programs and writing articles in newspapers about such lies, then yes it would be grounds for libel as it could directly adversely effect school attendance, operations, and funding...and as such the livelihood of its employees.
wigon 1 month ago
@robertmike57 As for proof of malice, I'm not speaking about Fethullan Gulen. I'm speaking about individual charter schools accused of being some part of a Gulen conspiracy to scam taxpayers. These individual schools can easily meet that criteria as the evidence is self-evident that the goal of the individuals/organizations putting out the propaganda hurting these schools, do in fact have malicious intent to shut them all down by using proven lies and misleading information.
wigon 1 month ago
@robertmike57 Again, the reason why our schools don't usually pursue these libel suits is because of the fact that it gives these individuals and groups greater media publicity and because it is difficult to collect on any dammages awarded. Furthermore we suspect that many of these individuals are paid by larger political organizations but how they get funded is totally offlimits to investigations unless they conducted a criminal act. Libel is a civil issue & not criminal.
wigon 1 month ago
@robertmike57 Finally regarding your "We're not in Turkey" comment, again I'm not Turkish nor have I ever been to that country. I don't know how they do things there, but I do know how things are done here. Also I mentioned that such libel cases are hard to win because they also face the issue of bias and fear against Muslims especially if they go before a jury (depending on the state) who tend to almost always be non-Muslims who are easy prey to fear-mongoring defense attorneys.
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon Gulen and Adnan Oktar have a habit of getting critics sued and/or put in jail in Turkey for libel. Gulen has the money to buy bullshit from Clinton, he could vigorously pursue a legitimate libel suit.
Gulen is a fraud as an intellectual and as a promoter for peace. If Gulen wants my address to sue, I'm not hard to find. Oh course, truth is an absolute defense to libel, such a case would never get to trial.
robertmike57 1 month ago
@robertmike57 Turkish law and U.S. law are too very different things. I also don't care about Gulen. What he says or does has little impact on my school other then this political B.S. about our schools being " Gulen cult schools" and crap like that which has little bearing on the reality of the educational system and our educators, most of whom are American. As I stated earlier, libel suits are also very bad for P.R. no matter how legit they are.
wigon 3 weeks ago
@wigon You still don't get it. charter schools are government. People say far worse false things about local police, ATF, IRS, DEA ect a 1000 times a day far worse than what Paul Williams has said about Gulen schools.
robertmike57 3 weeks ago
@robertmike57 They are not the same thing as government. They are a government/private sector hybrid. We could not use TEA lawyers to sue anyone. Also rumors and propaganda against government agencies do not threaten to shut them down. Rumors, lies, and purposeful propaganda designed to scare parents away and to pressure politicians to shut down our schools (regardless of the facts) DO threaten the jobs of hundreds of people. As such it is a legit libel issue.
wigon 3 weeks ago
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@wigon Since Gulen schools aren't "government/private sector hybrid", you proceeded to explain another reason why charter schools are garbage. They want all the taxpayer money and none of the accountability. Just looked at the Chicopee MA Gulen school: 36% teachers licensed to teach their subjects, school faculty roster not publicly available even on MADOE website. My brother works at a public school, takes 3 seconds to find his email address
robertmike57 3 weeks ago
@wigon you want the best Gulen members to kick back part of there paychecks back to the movement. We already started a study on kids who graduate from your schools and so far the findings is that when they do go to college wash out in their first year because they do not have the knowledge or skill to keep up. Hmmm could it because they did not earn there easy grade? Reports also show Gulenists cheat on tests in Turkey to get jobs and teaching positions police etc. Feeling the pinch yet?
ohohmrbill1 1 month ago
@ohohmrbill1 Dude, study Islam. It is PART OF THEIR RELIGION to give a percentage of their earnings to their mosque or Islamic organization of choice. If it happens to be a Gulen mosque (which in many cities is the only Turkish mosque) or organization, then so be it. Nothing illegal or unusual about that. Please PM me this study and it's methodology. As an social scientist I'm well versed in how to conduct and critique such studies. Let's see your evidence.
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon you are a liar!!!! and it is all coming to the forthfront about your lying group. Don't stay in a country where you are not wanted. Go home and fix the failing schools of Turkey before the Carlyle Group takes over ALL THE education in Turkey.
CemaatKaz 1 month ago
@CemaatKaz You mean I shouldn't stay in the country for which I served 8 years in the U.S. Army for? Thank your lucky stars I served to protect your constitutional right to spoute such nonsense and ignorance. My home is called Texas in a free land called AMERICA where we defend our freedoms from biggots like yourself.
wigon 1 month ago
@wigon Wigon you are full of Sh**, you know this school was part of your network, and when they did interview the teachers (behind a screen- because your group threatened and intimidated them) Today's Zaman exposed their name and the reporter's name. No wonder the world's journalists hate your group. Your time in Amerika is done. You fool no one with your "U.S. Army Reserve" it is getting old your lies are not working.
CemaatKaz 3 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz Your usage of curse words and insults is synomymous with the lies and deceptive propaganda that your organizations are spreading about our schools. Your insistance that I am part of a "network" is laughable. Again I challenge anyone to disprove that I was in the U.S. Army Reserve. It is in fact illegal to claim that falsely. CemaatKaz, please report me to the FBI. They know who I am already.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon You know nothing about American Mitiary except your stinking group is trying to get schools on our military bases. Those Marines in Hawaii kicked you off of Mokapu base. RIP Mokapu STEM school will never happen. Nor will the school on the military base in Illinois that your brothers at Concept Schools are trying to open. That reporter exposed your fraud background good. U can kiss that one goodbye, More of your schools DENIED rather than renewed or accepted. Stay tuned u loser liar
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz Ah, now you go back to pretending to be an American when from your spelling and attitudes, you clearly are not. Also again, I am not affiliated with any school outside of Texas...but hey keep on trying to convince yourself of that. Again, any former or current U.S. Army service member can ask me questions about the Army to verify that I was in. Our schools also are amongst the top ranking schools in Texas with full TEA support. Any AMERICAN taxpayer can verify this.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz What is funny is that you make so many insults and allegations towards me. I have shared loads of information about myself with you and others in this discussion, yet you have said nothing about yourself...and rightly so because you would easily be exposed as a professional paid agitator who does not care if he/she undermines the education of Texas school children in the name of your stupid Turkish political campaign.
wigon 2 weeks ago
@wigon Funny thing is that Hizmet frequently states that Kaz Topluluk is being paid. We do it as a service to the USA and the world. We don't want you screwing up the world like you have in Turkiye. Turkiye is the laughing puppet of the world, even the moslem brothers despise your brand of Gulen Sufism. Let us insult you again "wigon" you fake low life. Your group stoops shamelessly acting like American Veterans, Hispanics, Jews anything 2 push your filth group to gain power. U R done.
CemaatKaz 2 weeks ago
@CemaatKaz What is Kaz Topluluk? But hey thanks for finally admitting that you are not American (taking screenshot). From your anti-Turkey comments and spelling of Turkey I can now narrow you down to being Armenian most likely as the level of hatred in your posts is extreme. Also thank you for pointing out that the Islamic Brotherhood hates Gulen Sufis. You are correct. I'm glad of that. Also no...I'm not done. I'm far from done. Hell I'm just getting warmed up.
wigon 2 weeks ago
U own nothing loser armenian ! u are 3rd class in USA even below blacks and hispanics,stop trying to talk to me. U r spreading bias info. about Turkey, there is internet, there are sites such as globalfirepower com and CIAfact books etc. people can search about Turkey,they do not list your shitty armenia on those sites.Go back to IRAN persian armenian moron, you do not belong to USA , get lost !!!
AtillaCengizTimur 5 months ago
@AtillaCengizTimur I thought Gulen was about love and tolerance why the hate spewing at Armenians?
CemaatKaz 2 months ago
Such a bias program. Where is the right to defend? Why did not you speak with random kids and parents after the school instead of only going to the parents who are oppose the school.
sakirhan 5 months ago 2
@sakirhan Where was the Armenians, Alevis and coptics and Kurdish right to defend you Kill ...they are just telling the news.
ohohmrbill1 5 months ago
@ohohmrbill1 Ottomans ruled over hundreds of nations for 600 years. All these nations still exist with their distinct cultures. non of them had to convert to Islam nor learn Turkish and forget their native language. But western colonial powers managed to enslave and assimilate people of Africa, America in a century. They have even saved your nation ( Jewish) from a genocide at Spain. Mark my words, they are coming back to save Palestinians and all the oppressed people of the middle east.
sakirhan 5 months ago
@sakirhan Oh Yes, The Turk is the savior of all the middle east. First of all, we are not respected or trusted in the middle east because we backstab Iran and Syria and other nations for the USA. We dont govern our country - Gulen does. We are not wanted in the European Union.
CemaatKaz 2 months ago
Turkey was Muammar Gaddafi’s most important ally in the years before the Libyan uprising. Turkish companies invested billions in the oil-rich Libya. Hence, when the uprising started Turkey tried to have it both ways – on the one hand it tried to avert a NATO operation against Gaddafi and his loyalists, yet on the other hand it condemned the killing of civilians. Yet NATO members and the UN disregarded Turkey’s objection and embarked on an aerial assault that prompted Gaddafi’s ouster.
Americathebrave100 5 months ago
P.S. in 2003, Turkey wouldn't let us use the air space to attack Iraq, ROT (Republic of Turkey) has issues with Syria and Iran. Your own Moslem brothers do not trust you - why would America? Please, you need to do better on your silly argumentation.
Americathebrave100 5 months ago
Israel forever friends and allies with the USA!!!! Go Israel!!!!
Americathebrave100 6 months ago
Turkey is not a trusted ally, only Israel is. Turkey was only used and granted permission to be in NATO because the USA wanted it to appear as though one Moslem country could be trusted to join NATO. NATO and the UN is BS and will not save your reputation in the world stage. Now that the Jewish lobbyists and Congress is done with you, lost all of your "friendships" with the politicians, no one is returning your calls even after the FREE trips to Turkey. Cannot even bribe them anymore.
Americathebrave100 6 months ago
Attilla the Honey should comment how Turkey is now going to return land, property stolen from non-moslem populations in Turkey. The TRUE indigenous people who built ROT prior to 1923. Before you even had an alphabet or country established. Gulen will never return to Turkey, because he cannot face the truth, instead he hides like a little girl into our arms for protection. Did you ever wonder what will happen when we are done using Gulen? Poor desperate Hizmet acting like big humanitarians.
Americathebrave100 6 months ago
P.S. you will never be accepted into the European Union with civilized and educated people. Poor Gulen and AKP keep sniffling and trying to appear like the great humanitarians of the world for Somalia, etc., putting in your worthless schools while Turkey has over 14 million illiterates. Everyone can see through the mask of the Gulen Turd, your past massacring Europeans and your heroin smuggling, etc., you have over 12,000 human rights violations in the European Council Court. Good Luck loser
Americathebrave100 6 months ago
Did you really think a bunch of Turds could compete with Israel? As far as those Ermenis and Russians go, good for them they ripped off Amerika, now they got their share instead of Hizmet making off with over $2 billion a year in educational tax money and raping the mind and bodies of American children. Gulen teachers are fags and rape children. You don't even speak English good enough to educate anyone and there are 14 million illiterate in Turkey, you should start with educating your own.
Americathebrave100 6 months ago
turkish roaches die in a fire
tubebellator 7 months ago
@tubebellator You ugly filthy mixed up rootless fuck die in hell ! I feel sorry for u guys, u are all stock there, and u all hate one another, keep sucking negro dicks, junkie fucks...
AtillaCengizTimur 7 months ago 4
@AtillaCengizTimur Atilla, where did you learn your POTTY MOUTH from? A gulen "inspired" school? You are a joke and have no say in America. You have been attacking northern Iraq, criticizing Syria, Libya and Egypt and it will backfire on your self-rightous indignant attitude. Atilla you are of Central Asia background (Mongolian) you invaded Byzantium Christiandom in the 1400's, burnt churches, converted Constaniople to Istanbul and converted St. Hagia Sofia into a mosque, you have NO SHAME.
Americathebrave100 6 months ago
@Americathebrave100 U are an another armenian minority,u live in USA but u couldn't be an American.Turks are from Central Asia so what low life ? Is it a state secret ? We had thousands of mosques,schools etc. in the east Europa,in balkans,in armenia,where are they now u barbarian racist moron? I have pride no shame,TURKS built more and greatest states,empires in the world than rest of the world combined.Soon TURKIYE will be world leader,your nightmares will return,potty mouth is yours,wash it
AtillaCengizTimur 6 months ago 3
@AtillaCengizTimur Atilla the Hun, you are a Mongolian Barbarian and the world knows it. Even your distant Turkic tribes in Central Asia want nothing to do with you. Did you hear about Turkmenistan throwing out the Turkish schools and contractors? How about Uzbekistan? You are a laugh a minute you insignifcant piece of garbage, you will not win in America because we are better than you and have more money and respect from the world. Who respects you? Not even Azerbaijan wants your schools.
Americathebrave100 6 months ago
@Americathebrave100 Go back to hungry armenia fake american,pretender !!! Everybody knows that Mongols are a Turkish tribe,mongols descendants of GokTURKs and Uygur Turks.I am proud to call call Mongolians as my blood brothers so what gypsy looking armenian,dark motherfucker ! Invest in some bleaching cream ! Look at your monkey looking armenian president,he is hairy and ugly, don't you guys ever go to barber ? Oh yes starving armenia has no barber shop,sorry I forgot it ahaa! crooked armenian
AtillaCengizTimur 6 months ago 2
@AtillaCengizTimur run this through your you tube search " turkish prime minister FAIL " face palm hahahahahaha
ohohmrbill1 6 months ago
@AtillaCengizTimur Go back to Backward Turkey where Honor killings, and jailing of journalists are daily pastimes. You are the joke of the civilized world that is why classy Europeans don't want you around. Read your post again and your foul mouth and ask yourself if your group should be teaching children in America. The answer is obviously "no" and your Turkification and Turkish Olympiads are a joke. Ha ha. Why don't you talk about your mongolian purple spots on your hairy butts? he he
Americathebrave100 6 months ago
@Americathebrave100 Stop trash talking about my wonderfull TURKIYE liar armenian ! Brother in law of armenian president forgered medicare,social security bills and milked 400 million US $ from US,american taxpayers in Ca. You armenians are burden to American people, armenians crooked,liars and mentally disturbed untrustworthy people. Stop ripping off Americans,u guys are tiny version of jew Madoff criminal. Go back to aRMENIA Christian religious fascist morons !
AtillaCengizTimur 6 months ago
@AtillaCengizTimur Keep dreaming Turd oops I mean Turk, you are the joke and armpit of the world with your paranoid and dramatic antics. The world laughs at you, especially after you stupid move throwing out the Israeli Ambassador, you are done. America supports Israel over Turds anyday, you will cry in your mother's bosom every time one of your schools is closed. Your masters Israel and America created the Gulen Movement now we are done with you TURDs. Turds are the fascists, this is fact.
Americathebrave100 6 months ago
@Americathebrave100 Turks can do so much, watch it how Israel going to pay a price. USA is our NATO ally (your armenia is in russian military pact ).Don't worry for Turkey ! U worry for your stone age,hungry armenia.For your information Turkish navy is the 2nd biggest in Europe after Russia,Turkish navy has 475 vehicles,Israel has only 64 vehicles mostly small attack boats. Soon TURKEY will be world leader,can u say that for your stupid armenia ? I did not think sooo,no hope for u kill yourself
AtillaCengizTimur 6 months ago
@AtillaCengizTimur Turks you mean Turds don't you? Israel has more than you think, Armenia and Israel are not so stupid they have the support of super powers that insure their successes. How do you think such small countries win against countries that are 8 times their size?
Is that all the better you can do? Your Stupid Turkey has just about screwed themselves with this latest Turkish drama of insulting the Israeli Ambassador. No country owes Turds an "apology"
Americathebrave100 6 months ago
@AtillaCengizTimur Don't get too cocky thinking that the USA has your back, they are not your ally. We are Israel's ally and partner. Mongolians in Central Asia don't even want you. How did you like getting your ass kicked by your Mongolian brothers? Turkmenistan not only kicked you out but now you sniffling Gulenists think you are going to sue Turmenistan for $1 billion, Crybabies, you will never see that money and never successfully sue them or the USA. We own you and