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  • wow your girl is hot.

  • Strange, I came across this youtube last night and had a dream I was living in a Utopian society, though I came to that conclusion while awake since in dream it was just my 'normal' reality.No locks on doors, children could roam because people took care of all children.. animals were kept at a safe distance/fenced off since they could accidentally harm pets and young kids. Synchronicity and flow kept accidents from occuring. quite astounding. a lot of harmonious is-ness. No real "laws",just flow

  • this is a fucked up topic but it does make sense....sorry probably just repeating what everyone else has already said

  • From democracy and other totalitarianisms to a republic based on syncracy.

  • wow chelsea is from fontana too. im curious what schools you went to?

  • Reece used subliminal astral projection psychology to seduce this woman ;)

  • I need to think about all this for a while before giving a thurough response to the topic, but just off the top of my head, here is a question for you.

    What if you try to prevent me from having a drink of your water against my will? Is that wrong? I want a drink of water, you wont give it to me, therefore you are denying me the right to drink the water.

    This is an interesting discussion, but it's one that will unfortunately go on forever...

  • I liked it

  • Absolutely brilliant ~ both of you. The points of discussion you have raised guarantee animated debate and discussion for us all.

  • What if you create your own reality. Concious creation often makes happy results. Lazy creation (not caring about how you or others feel. victimize yourself, etc) makes bad results. Bad results like in you get sick or don't get a job or get hit by someone. Then the one being hit and the one who's hitting is just drawn to each other in that bad place of bad vibration. Bad creation. What is right and wrong then? Their both just concentrating on the wrong end of the stick.

  • Hang on they wouldn't be able to adopt because in a utopian society becuase the parents wouldn't just abandon their baby's. That said the parents might die during birth or other.

    Namaste :)

  • @Thetrendyamoeba, Maybe in a utopian society, adults wouldn't prefer one child over another because of genetic or legal association, but recognize all children as their children and raise them communally. It's been used in dystopian societies, I guess to demonize... er, demonstrate, the devaluing of a fundamental human trait like attachment, or a fundamental social unit like family, but I don't really see where it's... wrong, necessarily. :-S

  • 3) If someone murder someone, couldn't we instead of punishing him, design a prison that is make of some sort of granite or crystal material, that alters their desire to perceive their fears through such actions? I'm thinking also, that in a Utopian society, that we would also have conscious awareness of anyone radiating the desire to murder anyway, so we'd sort of be ahead of the game, right?

  • 2) The reason I've gathered in regards to our current society hiding sex from children, is psychological, because if you hide something or tell a child these days not to do it, they will want to know why, and so they will do it. While parents are tricked to think that if they share it with their children, then their children will do it. So I agree with you :))

  • 1) Based on what you said with Sex having to be forbidden in regards to the brother and sister, wouldn't it make more sense to allow them to decide what to do after telling them what may happen if they do that? It seems controlling to say they can't do that, in a Utopian society based upon freedom.

  • Utopian societies are formed from the ideas of paradise that vary from person to person. For example, one utopian society for me would be one in which people had evolved to where they feel no pleasure or pain, and are thus aware of being beyond their physical bodies. However, and I can say this because I don't have an ideal, I can also imagine a utopian society in which there are no humans at all. It's all based on emotional ties. There is no objective utopia, because of emotion.

  • I feel that in a Utopian society everyone would be aware of the fact that sex is for reproduction only, not for personal pleasure. We would also be aware of the extreme responsibility of raising a child and thus under-age sexual relationships wouldnt exist because they would not be ready to fulfill their role as parents. Sex between brother and sister as well as between people of the same sex wouldnt take place because it would be purely for self gratification and not propagation.

  • I don't know that I would take such a one-sided view of sex, but what you said makes a great comparison to the way that, in today's hyper-sexualised world, sex & babies are almost completely divorced from each other, and people talk about inhibiting pregnancy in language that almost sounds like pregnancy is an unwanted sexually transmitted disease.

  • Speaking of murder, I think that when there is an agreement between two people it is okay. For example, Armin Meiwes, of Germany, wanted more than anything to eat a human. He found a man, via internet, who wanted more than anything to be eaten alive. Though this is murder, they had both wanted it, and in my opinion that is acceptable.

  • You don't think, maybe, that they both needed psychological help a little more than they needed to fulfil the desire to cannibalise each other?

  • doesnt the fact that there would be birth defects in an incest relationship, show us that a romantic love shouldnt be between brother sister or family.

  • Reece, although I'm being contrary in this video, ;-) I want to thank you for making it because it helped me to really dig deep and crystallise how I really feel. I enjoyed watching all three parts.

  • i totally agree with you there haha, did the same with me. i watched through all 3, continuously getting a bigger picture of my own thoughts on it. then i forgot them. i'll have to watch them again and make notes! :D

  • See other comment: the egg comes first! Children need to receive a form of sex education that leads them to a harmonious sense of both their personal freedom and their responsibility for choices and actions. May-December marriages have been amply approved in patriarchal societies, as long as the guy is winter and the gal is spring. Today, no statutory law forbids a priori persons of disparate age marrying, but there are other considerations, like risk of birth defects if he is elderly.

  • Parents often equate the sex education of children as a loss of innocence - as if to postpone it is to somehow preserve something angelic in their children. Religious sexual guilt runs deep in society, even in seemingly non-religious people, I think.

  • First comment, thanking you two for opening the conversation with the theme of law and sex. Which comes first? The 'golden egg' of sex (Upanishadic language) or the squawking chicken of laws 'restraining' sex? In this case the egg comes first, but inside its smooth shell is what wholesome traditions call 'natural law' (also use the term 'dharma' if you wish). Most sexologists today consider the 'incest taboo' to be hard-wired in humans, precisely because it manifests in earliest age.

  • An adult having sex with a 15-year-old bothers me. There are important things you didn't take into account:

    1. A young teenager's higher susceptibility to manipulation by an adult's advances. "Free will" is no excuse for praising naivety.

    2. The adult's disresregard for the teenager's parents as protectors.

    Utopia is impossible because responsibility is LEARNED, not innate. Free will means that we will always have to contend with those who won't learn. Hence, we will always have laws.

  • Your kind of thinking of an Utopia is very limited. A society that is given what it needs can become very prosperous. We can get rid or at least limit greed.

  • But they're talking about a utopian society, not if it's possible or not.

  • I get it - a utopian society where consciousness is so evolved that no one would do anything wrong.

    But you're missing my point: this is an utterly impossible scenario because the evolution of your consciousness is a LEARNING process. It is something you do, not something done to you. And by virtue of human freedom, SOME will not learn.

    The only utopia possible is one where the rule of LAW is absolute. We don't want that, either, because it would mean total sacrifice of human freedom (NWO).

  • Yes, I fully agree.

  • But that's my point. For this to be acceptable we'd have to get to a point where the child WASN'T susceptible to the adult's advances and was fully capable of making informed decisions. We need to all be on an equal footing for any of this to work. I discuss this in Part Two.

    And yes, I agree that responsibility isn't necessarily innate. A Utopia, undoubtedly, has to be earned. But don't you think that's exactly what we're in the process of presently?

  • @ReeceJones87: "For this to be acceptable we'd have to get to a point where the child WASN'T susceptible to the adult's advances"

    People are not born sages. Wisdom comes through life experience. Children are, by virtue of a lack of life experience, less wise and more susceptible to all sorts of exploitation.

    I cannot imagine a future where children are not children, or where every adult chooses wisdom over folly - unless free will itself is bound.

  • Yes, I see your point. This is definitely something I need to think over some more.

  • Back in the Middle Ages, a 14-year-old girl was considered old enough to run a household and breed. Marriages were often arranged. Parental protectiveness and adult manipulation sound to me to have been the same thing, back then.

    And today, isn't education a way to take advantage of children's susceptibility to ideas? They are mostly taught to read, remember, regurgitate-- rarely the process of thinking itself. Society rewards the educated with skills and resources, but... wisdom?

  • Where does wisdom come from? Do we really need wisdom to make a choice, or it is that we gain wisdom by making a choice and having that experience? A 15-year-old does choosing to partner with a 30-year-old may learn (for example) something of the perils of power imbalances from that experience-- even if the conditions gave nothing but mutual trust and respect from all sides, parents' blessings included. What is the reason for that choice being vetoed? Is naivity cause to preserve naivity?

  • @EllyEve: These are valid observations you make. Moral standards evolve and fluctuate, and 21st century civilisation is certainly no kind of perfection.

    Consider this: I work in a school. If I had a relationship with a 14-year-old, surely this is a total violation of the trust placed in me by parents?

    I don't need a law to tell me that, but laws are for people who choose selfishness over integrity & honour. Laws can be debated and changed, but without the principle of law, anarchy reigns.

  • That's true, law must stand on principle. But I don't see that we've discovered a principle that would solve this issue by being anything other than... arbitrary. Why that age? Why even age, why not make people study and work for a love license, so that those with low E.Q. don't give spouses and children their psychological wounds?

  • Holland has one of the lowest teenage birth rates in the world and they have sex education at a very very young age in comparison to the UK. And the UK has one of the highest teenage birth rates in the world and we teach sex education at a comparitively late age.

  • 5*'d it after the first 10 secs. that "greetings fellow travellers!" was priceless.

  • lol,na dont say hello again, that hello was spot on.Nice one guys

  • I pretty much agree with what you are saying,makes perfect sense,ill do a video and add some of my ideas into this subject.

  • Try not to lose your accent.

  • i definitely just watched the last video first and the first last lol

  • I think sexual suppression has a lot to do with religion. When sexual people begin to supress sexual feeling they only think about it more. People who are able to supress sexual feelings are praised in the church and people who dont are looked at as immoral. When all you think about is sex everything becomes sexualized (ie showing skin). Then they think everyone see the world as they do. The last thing they want is to pervert their childs mind the way theirs has been perverted

  • ... which doesnt have to be true if they only accept what is natural as natural.

  • Also, the Aztecs used to sacrifice humans for the gods, and they had no problem with it, it was even necessary to mantain the gods "happy".

    We value life and survival so much nowadays because of democracy and classical culture influence (specially Greek philosophy).

    P.S. I know that the Greeks liked death a lot, but im more talking about Philosophers like Socrates or Platon, their ideas.

  • its really hard to say that because you weren't an Aztec back then

  • Aztec human sacrifices are proved and documented.

    They offered this human sacrifices to "Huitzilopochtli", the death/war god.

    The reason of why they did this activity is a complicated theory of life/death equilibrium, i dont know it very well, so i cant explain it right now.

  • Getting way off-topic, but there is also a magickal explanation for human (or animal) sacrifice: the harvesting of the adrenal and bio-electrical energy in the death-throes of the sacrifice, to fuel a magickal working. Big subject. :-)

  • "If something is happening to someone else against their will is wrong"

    What if a man turns insane and definitely wants to throw himself out of the window?

    We must have to stop him.

  • I used to be suicidal. Not against my will, I sought diagnosis, psychotherapy and medication. I would not attempt to end my life now.

    But, I remember how it used to be, and still think that if anyone has suffered even a fraction as much as I did then, it is morally WRONG to force them to continue living when they choose to die. The non-suicidal me doesn't know "better", just "other". It is disrespectful to my past self, or alternate-path selves, to presume authority over someone else like that.

  • As a human being, i cant let no one die.

  • Even those comatose with nerve disorders that wrack even their sleeping senses with constant pain? Even a zygote in an ectopic pregnancy? Even organ donors who want to save someone by going under knife and anaesthesia that they may never come back up from? Even soldiers in defense of their loved ones?

  • Thats different, is not the same.

    Demagogic?

    Maybe.

  • I was just curious as to how you make these judgments.

  • @fiscornioman Why?

  • Excuse me, i lost the trail of the topics spoken here, explain me your question exactly.

  • she is fucking beautifull you lucky bastard Reece.

    (Reece smiles)

  • again about the reality of this "illusion", it's like being in a dream; say if in a dream you are being chased, you probably will be scared. then its easy to say one was just dreaming of being scared, it was only a dream, but to the dreamer, they knew no better than what they were experiencing was real. they were perceiving it so to them, it was real and so they were, in reality scared. it was an emotional response. consciousness is real and emotion is that. its hard to explain.

  • Speaking of "Illusion" "Always is always forever as long is long is one inside yourself for your father all is one all is one all is none. Its time we put our love behind you the illusion has been just a dream the valley of death and I'll find you as we lay on a sunshine beam. So bring all your young perfection for theirs shall surely be.... no clothing tears or hunger you can see you can see you can be...." Just a little poem I know.=]
  • I think if there is a utopian society it should be gated and only a select trusted people should be allowed in.

  • I love you man...you seem like such a warm person Reece. Personally I believe that law would be needed in a Utopian society...but not strictly enforced. Now they'll be regular law's [Don't kill, no stealing,no child molestation etc.] However there will be no law's to personal action...the individual must decided for his/herself if its right or wrong.

    Reece, I don't think I told you this but...you're the catalyst to my awakening [In a mentor/teacher kind of way.]

    -Love/light.

    -James.

  • i just feel to say thankyou for opening a discussion. blessings from the heart. we are one

  • i'm feeling that a lot of your ideas are coming from the 3 D reality that we currently live in. i see us moving into something so different. a heart led reality, rather than a mind reality, if we are all in utopia then i don't believe any of this will be relevent. i see your need to question and to understand the shift, i'm feeling that we will not even want to impose any restrictions on any one, no laws idealy, we are looking for freedom without control, any law is a box seeking to control.

  • @laylaanne

    In other words syncracy.

    Syncratia.

    CYNKPATEIA

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