I wouldn't be so quick to say it's fake... the machine used to measure the number of hits is EXTREMELY sensitive, and obviously a less-than-adequate camera was used to record it, meaning the sound may have become distorted, making it seem as though he was going much more slowly than it would take to hit the claimed number. ...but still, I don't see how he could get that number with the way those strokes looked visually... I don't know if it's fake or not.
So this vid says 'rolling strokes'? i dont know if its just me but there was no rolling involved. just buzz and not skill. the point of the record is to have even strokes one after the other, not just random hits of inconsistency!
DT burned some drummers, to exalt his friend mike. Very ugly it! The mike is great, but did not have to destroy some professionals, like you are playing dumb. Only show errors Aquiles Priester. But who knows he knows not what is shown in the "Issues " Mike Mangini friend of the band DT. Maiden did as you did when you chose Blaze Bayley. They made a contest of marketing phony, but Mike Mangini was nearly elected.
Apparently this is "the petrucci buddy" who will enter the dream theater ... just because he played with Steve Vai, John Petrucci and tb played with go ... "friendship factor" Aquiles Priester is the best we have and that's it! The spread of Achilles is to see these songs being performed and with extreme perfection. And not a phony record with two notes. Mike Mangini, make music with the entire record, not noisy, silly! Aquiles Priester talent of Brazil.
Just to say that this band of gay, DT, burned some important musicians, you know? Just as Iron Maiden has done, blaze was already chosen by the band, for friendship, not only for the technique. The DT did the same! Now, do not believe everything you see, okay? The videos are all edited, they put their qualities and mistakes as they choose, as I did. Search on "Aquiles Priester, " and see that it is not bad as they showed for editing.
Yeah dude... The 7th grader that I'm giving lessons to (I'm a junior in High school, top of the percussion section) can roll better than that. He could probably get more hits in there than you. Jeez. I mean, nice try. But no it's not that impressive. I could get that in like 30-45 seconds if I triple bounce it. 5 stroke rolls FTW. Also, this isn't actually "easy". You need skill to do it, but not much. So don't say he's not skilled. Most non-percussionists can't do a roll right at all.
FAKE IDIOT ITS IMMPOSIBLE HE PROBABLY PUT THE THING TO A VIBRATER AND HIT A FAKE ONE BECAUSE UR SAYING U CAN HIT 5 BEATS PER HAND IN A SEC I BEAT IS .2 THATS FASTER THEN BLINKING BECAUSE 1 BLINK IS - TO .32 WHICH IS PHYISICLY IMMPOSIBLE HAHA BITCH U JUST GOT SCIENCED
this would only be impressive if it was open strokes and his hands were even remotely proper, plus you kind of sound like a motorcycle that needs timed
haha you suck fag why dont you stop being a pyoussy and fucking play single strokes dumbass. your a retarted poser that thinks that using a buzz roll is good you cant even play a buzz role good the point of a buzz rol is it to sound the same you dont want to be able to tell the strokes apart your an idiot learn something and then you can argue about it.... fuckin poser.
haha you suck fag why dont you stop being a pyoussy and fucking play single strokes dumbass. your a retarted poser that thinks that using a buzz roll is good you cant even play a buzz role good the point of a buzz rol is it to sound the same you dont want to be able to tell the strokes apart your an idiot learn something and then you can argue about it.... fuckin poser.
haha you suck fag why dont you stop being a pyoussy and fucking play single strokes dumbass. your a retarted poser that thinks that using a buzz roll is good you cant even play a buzz role good the point of a buzz rol is it to sound the same you dont want to be able to tell the strokes apart your an idiot learn something and then you can argue about it.... fuckin poser.
haha you suck fag why dont you stop being a pyoussy and fucking play single strokes dumbass. your a retarted poser that thinks that using a buzz roll is good you cant even play a buzz role good the point of a buzz rol is it to sound the same you dont want to be able to tell the strokes apart your an idiot learn something and then you can argue about it.... fuckin poser.
haha you suck fag why dont you stop being a pyoussy and fucking play single strokes dumbass. your a retarted poser that thinks that using a buzz roll is good you cant even play a buzz role good the point of a buzz rol is it to sound the same you dont want to be able to tell the strokes apart your an idiot learn something and then you can argue about it.... fuckin poser.
haha you suck fag why dont you stop being a pyoussy and fucking play single strokes dumbass. your a retarted poser that thinks that using a buzz roll is good you cant even play a buzz role good the point of a buzz rol is it to sound the same you dont want to be able to tell the strokes apart your an idiot learn something and then you can argue about it.... fuckin poser.
You haters are such dick heads. He is doing something amazing. The least you could do is say, well done, keep it up, good job. Why do you have to leave such stupid comments which insult him or say it's fake. It's real and none of you could even come close to this.
@clickclocks Amazing, no. But I won't say hes bad. His "record" is in fact average for a buzz roll. With singles or double stroke this might be more impressive however.
@VitalSigns1 that is not a kid. hes in high school at least. and still even if it was a kid im sure someone could teach him better technique or help him clean up his rolls. or something
One second equals 9 192 631 770 radiation periods of the cesium 1331 atom ! This is fake and sounded like crap !
Shaktidej 2 weeks ago
This is actually buzzroll. this doesnt count. Try doing real rolls. stick doesnt even go 1cm.
rekleoa 1 month ago
this's FAKE!!!!
sinTTdrmr 1 month ago
I wouldn't be so quick to say it's fake... the machine used to measure the number of hits is EXTREMELY sensitive, and obviously a less-than-adequate camera was used to record it, meaning the sound may have become distorted, making it seem as though he was going much more slowly than it would take to hit the claimed number. ...but still, I don't see how he could get that number with the way those strokes looked visually... I don't know if it's fake or not.
LargeTurn1p 1 month ago
of course shitty videos gets almost 200000 views, right?
Grasshopper110 1 month ago
so fake, even i can do that!
Rampage001 1 month ago
it isn't single ,man
wahwah0320 1 month ago
So ein faker!!!!! Nur schlecht!!!
xxxquerulantxxx 1 month ago
I think the drumometer is rigged =/
mightyhans1 2 months ago 2
Ok how did you guys rig this? and that is possibly the worst roll I have ever seen.
palmsterster 2 months ago 2
You should see how many his mom can do
thedrummachine1 3 months ago
buzzing i bet
jackisthebombdrummer 3 months ago
A drum roll sounds even. Practice time?
Djstereos2 4 months ago
thats not single stroke roll
padualeo 5 months ago
i flagged this video for wasting my time.
Chuck Norris can do 1531 in 1 second it takes to punch this guy.
NoZeny 5 months ago 3
You're pretty terrible.
KHfan4ever23 5 months ago
that s not a roll...that s let the sticks do everything they want and just move your hands like an id i ot....
nemesisband1000 5 months ago
Youtube, Why did you recommend this to me?
cashvillee2012 5 months ago 3
ha ha, yeah that's the new roll record, somehow slower then the single stroke record..
dhewitt3 6 months ago
i heard about 32hits. The drumometer is rigged
hmsdrummer 6 months ago
Pretty good buzz roll, but youll be a true master when you do that single stroke
Forgetfulfergtison 6 months ago
Even my dog can do that. bwehehehe
jamesbullicer 6 months ago
if i had two dicks i would be much faster
00mHe 6 months ago
I think I can go faster with my knuckles I need one of those things
drafts33 7 months ago
you suck bkuz you shud neva play with you fingers out
realbayboy 7 months ago
The difference is that mangini did it with single stroke :) OWN!!
metalmetal9 7 months ago
it is a joke i suppose, but who is laughing ?
emeraldomusik 8 months ago
Diddle's would have been more impressive that was just bad.
keithalllen 8 months ago
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A7XAVENGEDSEVEN 8 months ago
@A7XAVENGEDSEVEN
No
jerryseinfeldisfunny 8 months ago
@A7XAVENGEDSEVEN Mike Mangini could. But not Jimmy.
MrXorHomer 8 months ago
beginner!
XxMyGodogxX 8 months ago
Amateur
GrandTheftAuto99 8 months ago
fail
yngwiemarflin 9 months ago
So this vid says 'rolling strokes'? i dont know if its just me but there was no rolling involved. just buzz and not skill. the point of the record is to have even strokes one after the other, not just random hits of inconsistency!
powerfistify 9 months ago
......
RRRRRAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH 9 months ago
i think its fake
TheFr3aK0011 9 months ago 20
im sure the people who say "learn how to drum" comments cant drum...
therunes100 10 months ago
@therunes100 I don't think so...they're right. He has no powerful sound, that's cheating man !
Nobelium84 8 months ago
DT burned some drummers, to exalt his friend mike. Very ugly it! The mike is great, but did not have to destroy some professionals, like you are playing dumb. Only show errors Aquiles Priester. But who knows he knows not what is shown in the "Issues " Mike Mangini friend of the band DT. Maiden did as you did when you chose Blaze Bayley. They made a contest of marketing phony, but Mike Mangini was nearly elected.
AlanR500 10 months ago
DT queimou alguns bateristas, para exaltar o seu amigo mike.
Muito feio isso!!!
O mike é excelente, mas não precisava destruir alguns profissionais, parecendo que são burros tocando.
Só mostram erros do Aquiles Priester. Mas quem conhece ele sabe que não é aquilo que mostraram nas "edições"
Mike mangini amigo da banda DT.
Fizeram como o Maiden fez quando escolheu o Blaze Bayley.
Fizeram um concurso de marketing fajuto, mas mike mangini já estava praticamente eleito.
AlanR500 10 months ago
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AlanR500 10 months ago
very inconsistent, by the way not any one of those was a full "stroke". just multiple bounces from less than an inch high.
TheGuitarMatt 10 months ago
I hope this vid is a joke.
jmwen1 10 months ago
Apparently this is "the petrucci buddy" who will enter the dream theater ... just because he played with Steve Vai, John Petrucci and tb played with go ... "friendship factor" Aquiles Priester is the best we have and that's it! The spread of Achilles is to see these songs being performed and with extreme perfection. And not a phony record with two notes. Mike Mangini, make music with the entire record, not noisy, silly! Aquiles Priester talent of Brazil.
AlanR500 10 months ago
@AlanR500 Your english makes no sense. Mike was a good choice, its not up to you ;)
MrZeppelin1988 10 months ago
Just to say that this band of gay, DT, burned some important musicians, you know? Just as Iron Maiden has done, blaze was already chosen by the band, for friendship, not only for the technique. The DT did the same! Now, do not believe everything you see, okay? The videos are all edited, they put their qualities and mistakes as they choose, as I did. Search on "Aquiles Priester, " and see that it is not bad as they showed for editing.
AlanR500 10 months ago
@MrZeppelin1988 I'm Brazilian. Not American.
AlanR500 10 months ago
Jesus christ that was fucking awful man wow
Irvs311 10 months ago
Your rolls suck, just saying, practice more and pretend less.
Eh, I'm a dick today, sorry.
Philsco 10 months ago
That looks fake and fucking stupid.
Altraice 10 months ago
Fuckin useless
331paradiddle 10 months ago
If this was traditional grip or double clean youd be jesus
b22munky 10 months ago
fake.
TheDmp1230 10 months ago
Phil. You are the greatest ever, except for that other guy who was better. But we won't worry about him.
doktorthree 11 months ago
for a buzz roll, that isn't too great, for a double stroke roll clean, you'd be the shit
toby950 1 year ago
FAKE
cippo1987ITA 1 year ago
sounded like a poorly tuned 250 cc dirt bike idling
tealover01 1 year ago 45
i got 1660 at ripleys believe it or not in san antonio
xJIMMYxpopxALI 1 year ago
311 people only hit it 1528 times...in 2 minutes lol
MUNSTERSportsNation 1 year ago
yea that sucked
THEREALQYU 1 year ago
"you're on it mate, you'rre on it!"
CRACK THAT IS .... MATE
piss poor lad
gimme a call if u want some lessons
lokiop345 1 year ago
It exists a Drumometer?
Why?
TheAlphafly 1 year ago
its looks so slow
EritzColong 1 year ago
ok one..buzz roll? fuckin really? two...dirty. three... come back when you can do the same amount of hits with OPEN double strokes,boi.
pardinmyswag 1 year ago
Yeah dude... The 7th grader that I'm giving lessons to (I'm a junior in High school, top of the percussion section) can roll better than that. He could probably get more hits in there than you. Jeez. I mean, nice try. But no it's not that impressive. I could get that in like 30-45 seconds if I triple bounce it. 5 stroke rolls FTW. Also, this isn't actually "easy". You need skill to do it, but not much. So don't say he's not skilled. Most non-percussionists can't do a roll right at all.
YoukaiGoku 1 year ago
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YoukaiGoku 1 year ago
OMFG SO FUCKING EASY DUDE UR NOT SKILLED GET OFF YOUTUBE
flashylight56 1 year ago
the title is very misleading xD
knomip666 1 year ago
wow, very musical. clean too
331paradiddle 1 year ago
FAKE
TheLostsole515 1 year ago 3
@TheLostsole515 yeah, I agree those numbers are going up much faster than he's hitting it :O
MrRabbitBlack 1 year ago
@TheLostsole515 not FAKE, easy
flashylight56 1 year ago
Now try doing that with a proper grip and not playing so sloppy.
pearlDr08 1 year ago 2
im freaking 12 and i had 1967 hits in 52 sec no lie!
iFirev2 1 year ago
you cheats lol
sh4dows 1 year ago
thats realy slow bud
andrewokeefe00 1 year ago
it looks like a gas pump ! hahaha
MultiGuffey 1 year ago
Not bad
BandRemakerMan 1 year ago
i only heard 1528 hits
hairyburd 1 year ago 202
@hairyburd
haha
lisagreysonandre 11 months ago
@hairyburd aproximately 300 bad buzz roll hits ; )
xxArcanox 5 months ago
1530? I can do 1531 in my sleep!
TheSkull713 1 year ago
LOL it's supposed to be single strokes XD. that doesn't count LOL
BluePhantomCavalier 1 year ago 2
That's not really impressive. That's just a really bad buzz roll held for a minute. Try again when you actually learn how to drum
Sebastianstripper 1 year ago 141
@Sebastianstripper and he isnt sticking traditional....
falloutboy7778 1 year ago
@falloutboy7778 Nope.
TheHellPlague 1 year ago
@Sebastianstripper .. so.. u know how? (:
ordnajela1234 1 year ago
@Sebastianstripper does it matter? he was obviously going for speed, not to make it sound good.Try again when you actually have some common sense.
scipholus 1 year ago
@scipholus bit of both, u should go for speed, but not achieve it in a sort of "cheap" manner.
my max is 926 strokes, all as double taps, and 1337 as a continuous roll.
DjPaen 1 year ago
@Sebastianstripper It's not based on the ability to make music, just the amount of strokes done in 60 seconds
RealGodox 1 year ago
@Sebastianstripper It still takes lots of effort..
emilowich 7 months ago
for a roll... lol this is way way to slow, this is what the worlds fastest can do with single strokes.
33ltd 1 year ago
@33ltd nobody could do over 1100.
Sebastianstripper 1 year ago
@Sebastianstripper
3rd place got 1067 or something, and lost by over 50 strokes to second.
33ltd 1 year ago
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the record is over 1100...and those are single strokes, not bounced like these. i can do over 900 at 9" strokes now. This guy is a joke
dhyrumvaughn 1 year ago
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dhyrumvaughn 1 year ago
LOL I can count the strokes and i can barely catchup to the counter... FAIL!
TheBBoyJmE 1 year ago
Any one else notice the counter goes up evenly although the drummers beat doesn't go evenly?
superkid2050 1 year ago
@superkid2050 The audio is probably out of sync with the video.
Davemercd 1 year ago
Why does he pan up then down couldn't he show the whole thing?
lghzlhglzxdh 1 year ago
No way is this real.
ElevenBlueRings 1 year ago
FAKE!!
nico83052 1 year ago
There's no way this guy did 25 beats per second, 10/sec is plausible at his fastest pace...which he didn't sustain.
Tamerplane 1 year ago
Wow, what a load. I just wasted a minute and eight seconds on a dude with zero technique.
ThereIsNoSpoon89 1 year ago
those aren't diddles, thats a BUZZROLLLLLLLLL
Spinzett 1 year ago
dude your supposed to do single stroke not double stroke you dickk lmfao
QuiickReVeNgE 1 year ago
Jeffjg88 you're funny "BITCH YOU JUST GOT SCIENCED haha" you cracked me up
anaklusmosriptide1 1 year ago
try it without diddles dumbass....
stabandhack1 1 year ago
FAKE IDIOT ITS IMMPOSIBLE HE PROBABLY PUT THE THING TO A VIBRATER AND HIT A FAKE ONE BECAUSE UR SAYING U CAN HIT 5 BEATS PER HAND IN A SEC I BEAT IS .2 THATS FASTER THEN BLINKING BECAUSE 1 BLINK IS - TO .32 WHICH IS PHYISICLY IMMPOSIBLE HAHA BITCH U JUST GOT SCIENCED
jeffjg88 1 year ago 3
@jeffjg88 dude thats great! lol
iStrykeU 1 year ago
@jeffjg88 why don't u do it :)
it's easy to stay in ur fuckin chair and writte get a fuckin life idiot !!
OwneRw0w 1 year ago
@OwneRw0w haha hater u suck
jeffjg88 1 year ago
lol a guy did in single strokes soo your a failure
zeusremix 1 year ago
Buzz rolls man...
BRdrumsss 1 year ago
This would only be impressive if it were open strokes, your hands were in proper form, and you didn't sound like a poorly operative motorcycle.
Sooooo, that's pretty much everything..
ValereValedicoVallis 1 year ago 7
this would only be impressive if it was open strokes and his hands were even remotely proper, plus you kind of sound like a motorcycle that needs timed
ValereValedicoVallis 1 year ago
maybe 152,9
helenaki8 1 year ago
i could probably get more strokes playing with my ass.
punchyandmunchy 1 year ago
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Fake Fake Fake
headsetsonly 1 year ago
try doing that with a dildo
10K strokes in under 20seconds
ILCOVERU 1 year ago 2
YESH THUMBS UP!|!! WOOT
ILCOVERU 1 year ago
LOLOL THAT'S A BUZZ ROLL. That doesn't count xD haha. You have to do a normal roll. Like actually lifting the stick after each hit xD Nice try buddy
Jere369 1 year ago
am i know this is old but
do u think it's the world record..?
Stoner0Jesse 1 year ago
fake!
hrthehsehreh 1 year ago 3
Man those rolls are very dirty, unless you meant to buzz...
VaniKayne 1 year ago
sounds like a old 2 cylinders motorbike
drknockers1 1 year ago 9
FAKER
MetalisForever1990 1 year ago
i think he actually wanted to say buzz roll
ImaFez 1 year ago
bad hand posture, he's only using the fulcrum...
thesilentriot 1 year ago
ur rolling... FAKER!!!
Azt3chMacintosh 1 year ago
noob. i thought u were a beast but your doing rolls. single strokes buddy then ill b inpressed. in 60 seconds my record is 928, nd i fucking suck
abbashabbalabba 1 year ago
haha you suck fag why dont you stop being a pyoussy and fucking play single strokes dumbass. your a retarted poser that thinks that using a buzz roll is good you cant even play a buzz role good the point of a buzz rol is it to sound the same you dont want to be able to tell the strokes apart your an idiot learn something and then you can argue about it.... fuckin poser.
adobson50 1 year ago
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haha you suck fag why dont you stop being a pyoussy and fucking play single strokes dumbass. your a retarted poser that thinks that using a buzz roll is good you cant even play a buzz role good the point of a buzz rol is it to sound the same you dont want to be able to tell the strokes apart your an idiot learn something and then you can argue about it.... fuckin poser.
adobson50 1 year ago
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haha you suck fag why dont you stop being a pyoussy and fucking play single strokes dumbass. your a retarted poser that thinks that using a buzz roll is good you cant even play a buzz role good the point of a buzz rol is it to sound the same you dont want to be able to tell the strokes apart your an idiot learn something and then you can argue about it.... fuckin poser.
adobson50 1 year ago
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haha you suck fag why dont you stop being a pyoussy and fucking play single strokes dumbass. your a retarted poser that thinks that using a buzz roll is good you cant even play a buzz role good the point of a buzz rol is it to sound the same you dont want to be able to tell the strokes apart your an idiot learn something and then you can argue about it.... fuckin poser.
adobson50 1 year ago
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haha you suck fag why dont you stop being a pyoussy and fucking play single strokes dumbass. your a retarted poser that thinks that using a buzz roll is good you cant even play a buzz role good the point of a buzz rol is it to sound the same you dont want to be able to tell the strokes apart your an idiot learn something and then you can argue about it.... fuckin poser.
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haha you suck fag why dont you stop being a pyoussy and fucking play single strokes dumbass. your a retarted poser that thinks that using a buzz roll is good you cant even play a buzz role good the point of a buzz rol is it to sound the same you dont want to be able to tell the strokes apart your an idiot learn something and then you can argue about it.... fuckin poser.
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adobson50 1 year ago
You haters are such dick heads. He is doing something amazing. The least you could do is say, well done, keep it up, good job. Why do you have to leave such stupid comments which insult him or say it's fake. It's real and none of you could even come close to this.
clickclocks 1 year ago
@clickclocks all the haters are failed drummers :)
Vindaver2469 1 year ago 2
@clickclocks Amazing, no. But I won't say hes bad. His "record" is in fact average for a buzz roll. With singles or double stroke this might be more impressive however.
VirtueProduction 1 year ago
This technique is not that great at all... you should score way higher than this.
Anonymous122131 1 year ago
hahaha wank boy
silvero09 1 year ago
What a 'Jack Off'.... lolz
dvdlastrapes 1 year ago
fake and gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
RStrGuy13 1 year ago
Fake fake fake fake. ... And your a homo... the nuber was going up way way faster then he was hitting...
loneWolf1589 1 year ago
@loneWolf1589 Wow first you cant even spell and you dont know about drumming.
camaros65 1 year ago
@camaros65 Ok fuck you. I left out one fucking letter get over it. And you dont know me or anything about me. So umm.. Ya fuck off.
loneWolf1589 1 year ago
Nice hand technique. Just amazing. You can totally be an awesome with that kind of technique!
(I hope none of you think I'm serious)
drummaboy2346 1 year ago
loser.
jjoohhnnnnyybb 1 year ago
SO sloppy! I'm not even a drummer and I play more steadily than that!
TheRecluse26 1 year ago
thats decent considering ud be disqualified in a competition because its single strokes only and the average single stroke is prolly bout 600
JOEdoesThings22 1 year ago
wow that roll is dirty. and the technique is horrible. you shouldnt even pick up a drumstick again
sndvl1527 1 year ago
@sndvl1527 Holy fuck musicians are the meanest people in the world...he's just a kid stop being so harsh
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 that is not a kid. hes in high school at least. and still even if it was a kid im sure someone could teach him better technique or help him clean up his rolls. or something
sndvl1527 1 year ago
totally fake crap
ThePurpleManLoL 1 year ago
fake...
TheHardcoreArtist 1 year ago
he obviously masturbates alot.
XxJakeSxX 1 year ago 131
@XxJakeSxX WHY WOULD YOU MASTURBATE LIKE THAT WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU YOU'RE AND IDIOT BRO
ghettopigman 1 year ago
@XxJakeSxX bahahah
XESCAPETHETATEX 1 year ago
@XxJakeSxX He totaly failed!!! he needs too take upp drum stick a bit higher or els it dosent count:P
hampus155 1 year ago
in 8 mins the score wood be OVER 9000!
Joshywashymacintoshy 1 year ago
Lol, it's fake, they fixed this vid, it used to have the sound of the drum going after he looked at him, it's fake than hell. XD
Altraice 1 year ago
@Altraice its called a buzz roll
tehbesttxtr 1 year ago
nope tim jackson does it faster but that is bast
shift613 1 year ago
bs my ass buzz rolls i can do his spped with one foot
cowy99 1 year ago
its so annoying to hear, that kid trying to hard man
Griff1275 1 year ago
He can't even hold the sticks corektly, lol
madshenning 1 year ago
@madshenning And you can't even spell correctly. Just pointing that out. Good day! :)
RachelAndMitchell94 1 year ago
@madshenning You can't even spell correctly.
Deanassar 1 year ago
Fail. thats not the least impressive with buzz rolls. try single or doubble. what you're doing now is embarrassing.
P13K3R7 1 year ago
he plays rolls... lets play single strokes...
Olcha4 1 year ago