actuly tht space merin isnt agroper its agripin who later suthers a curse from a demon he saved his sanaty by converting his life esense into a drednought
a ranked space marine would never be talked to like that by a normal human. and is the space marine standing in a hole? he must be..last time i checked they were 8 foot tall and spanning almost 2 metres across
Thing that gets me is how fast the space marines move, I mean if they were just a tad slower it would at least give the illusion of wearing something other then paper mache
@Timeshoes Armor is built around warriors, not the other way around. Power armor was designed with the space marines' strength and endurance in mind, so that they would still move nearly unhindered. It was the same way with medieval knights.
@CrizzyEyes. Knigths in full plate moved less then unhindered. I really don't care about the lore in this case as it will not change the matter of how it looks when shown on screen. The body movements shatter any sense of realism. Some of the new CGI cut scenes do a better job though.
the funny thing about this game is the cutscenes are all like a movie, but the graphics were only sorta ok. good for the time though in my oppinion. i do think though, that it would have been cooler for GW to have made an hour long space marines movie.
What is that Marine talking about? Commissar Yarrick does. What has this no body done? Save a planet from a few Orks? Commissar Yarrick did it with his bare hands!
He set off with a Fighting Company of Black Templars, yes, but no indication is given further than 'he was last seen' chasing the Ghazghkull: thus MIA.
It came out a decade ago, so you'd need to find it either in a jumble sale or download it of some dodgie website. I wouldn't be too hopeful of getting to run either unless you happen to have an old Windows operating system (Vista will just scratch its head and shrug).
Real people - though they do manage to look rather like the trailers Games Workshop have produced for their more recent games - this was over 10 years ago.
These are cutscenes from an old (1990's) computer game. The height issue has been raised before on this thread - maybe Holt is a tall Commissar and the marine is a short marine?
or maybe the show business had not discovered the camera tricks that can make people seem taller ? either way this is great but i cant actually find any gameplay videos on here :/ bit sttrange
Gameplay video of Final Liberation?! Remember this was the 1990's - turnbased isometric microsprite action - like early Command and Conquer - The game looked shocking and gameplay wasn't much better; however, it was great in spite of its humongous faults - killing little green blobs by having your little grey blobs shoot little yellow blobs at them with a sound track of 4bit snaps pops and crackles - Dawn of War it was not. But at least it wasn't an RTS with no tactical finese - DoW it was not:)
Hmm i play high skill level DoW and i wouldnt say it has no tactical finese :p but yes gameplay video! i started playing in 96 so i never got to try it but im a huge fan of warhammer and i dont want to play it.. just see it.
Well, DoW is open to some creativity, but I see everyone else doing the same thing I do. Build a hell of a lot of your basic troops. Upgrade them as much as you can, attatch leaders. Build all the tanks/heavy gun platforms that you can. launch them all at the enemy one by one.
Now on the note of FL, I hope all those costumes are in a glass case somewhere, especially Comissar Holt's costume. They really got the vibe right with the clothing there.
It can be fairly predictable at times. I always just take 2 fully-equipped Space Marine squads early ingame; build Defenses and Basilisks as the IG; etc.
Generally Space Marines don't take crap from anybody, but I love the fact that a Commisar who was working with the Ordo Malleus could basically slap a Space Marine silly and there isn't a damn thing that he could do about it, what with it being the "Emperor's Will" and all. In regards to this video and its context, I would say that a Captain in the Ultramarines would give and receive respect from a Commisar of Holt's position and fame.
The commisar keeps refering to the Marine as "Trooper". My guess, based on his height and lack of any service studs, is that he is not a marine as yet, nor has be been implanted with the glands and geneseed.
As far as I know, Space Marine recruits have to serve in a Scout squad before becoming fully-fledged Marines. Perhaps this one has just 'graduated' from the Scout Marines?
No he has a white trim so he is from the Ultramarines 1st company, and according to how Commisar refers to him he is the captain of the 1st company of Ultramarines.
and his name was also "Agrippa", I beleive? He's a Dreadnought in the 5th edition, during the fluff about the Ultramarine's battles. May just be name recycling, but...
Agrippa was also the name of a Roman Statesman and ally of Emperor Octavius. It is also the name of a 15 centry Astrologer, Philosopher and Magician (arcane not stage magic). So a good pedigree there for a Space Marine Captain, Maybe the Dreadnought and the Space Marine Captain are one and the same; the suit being named after the remains of the marine plugged in to it? Fluff-tastic!
"No living commissar holds more esteem"... Wow, the background has changed a lot since this came out. Isn't Yarrik supposed to be the best-known hero in the Imperium now, not including Marines?
Maybe the marine is just brown nosing Holt - after all, a stunty little space marine might need the commendation of a well respected Commissar to get his next good conduct badge. Yarrick's first appearance in "Defence of Missile Silo 51" (WD240) occured in 1999; Final Liberation was released in 1997 - so I guess Holt's position as "Univers's Baddest Bad Arse" had yet to be challenged.
Check out cutscene 1, he actually is a midget space marine. You see him next to another one for a few seconds and the other marine is at least 2 feet taller.
Space Dwarf? Maybe before Game Workshop strangely wrote them out of the background material? I mean what was wrong with Space Dwarfs? How are they less daft than Space Elfs or Space Orks?
1) Space Orks are _the_ designated absurd army for 40K, and they're still pretty scary when you're the one being attacked by them. A horde of creatures who live only for war is hilarious to read about right up until you see them killing people.
2) The Eldar aren't 'daft'. They're a dying, self-serving race that blames pretty much everyone else for their fall, and has the tech and the wisdom to have survived this long.
3) When 40K shifted from 'dark but slightly silly' to (to be continued)
(continuing) 'take every depressing thing you can think of and turn all dials up to 12', they felt the characterisation of Squats wasn't doing enough justice to the 'Dwarven' concept. Orks had enough traits to be taken deathly seriously as a race; Squats did not.
4) There was a discrepancy between how Squats were designed in mainstream 40K and how they were designed in Epic.
5) Don't lose heart for space dwarves - in the background, the Demiurg fill the niche.
I have just checked my 40k rulebook. As you are the Lord Commander Militant(Or rather, Holt is the right-hand-man to), a High Lord of Terra, Commander of the Entire Imperial Guard, why wouldn't the Astartes take pause before retaliating against your second in command?
Yup - these are powerful guys acting within their authority. For the space marine to throw a wobbler over Holt adressing him would be an insult to the Emperor and the marine's own sense of discipline. Anyway; I always thought Holt was being quite nice to the marine.
Space Marines normally become 2,3 meters high (some even more!!) , in a Terminator Armour , they can be nearly 3 meters high . A normal Human seems to be 1,8 meters ( in best cases 1,9 meters ) high . In fact this vid isn't realistic . ^^
Btw the only one who can order a Space Marine Chapter is the Inquisition , even they have got their Problems to do so , and wouldn't do it without a BIG reason! SO this Commisar has nothing to order the Space Marine !
Having recent stuck together a bunch of Imperial Guard and Space Marine figures(surely the best guide to scale in 40k) the Space Marine figures are about the same height as the Guards. So, either the figures are not in scale, or the Guards are the same size as the Marines. Maybe they were thinking of Terminators when giving the height of Sapce Marines.
Answer: Not in scale. According to the background the Land Raider should be the same size as a Baneblade, instead it was scaled down further and it's Sponson guns more so. That is the reason why my Land Raider Command Vehicle is able to use a Predator Lascannon Sponson for emergency replacement and look to scale. according to the in-game codex for Final Liberation, when compared to the newer background, They downsized the Warlord and possibly Reaver Titans for the new models for 40k Apocalypse.
Point taken - after all I was reading an article in which they said that the various body parts of the minatures are made out of scale to give them that "cartoony" punmped up look. The heads and arms are in two different scales to the bodies and legs. Otherwise they wouldn't look "Games Workshoppie".
Imagine if they hadn't rescaled the Titan models - who's going to give house space to a 2m model :)
If its okay for GW to produce models out of scale; than I think its fine for old FMV to do the same :) Or else the Space Marine is simply further away or stood in a hole. Of course, with modern video compositing software they could easily do "big" marines - if only they'd go back to making FMV cut scenes :(
Anyhow - the guy who plays Holt is simply great :) And the space marine is suitably chunky and miserable in my book too. What a shame Dawn of War went all RTS with game engine cut scenes :(
There is no way a Commissar would talk to a Marine like that! If he did, the Mrine wouldn't stand for it... Oh well, it's just nice to watch 40k being acted out, even if it is poorly!
you dont know anything about 40k because in 40k all of the men wouldnt stand up and back talk or anything to a Comissar of his standered .. you should know your 40k before you post
None of the men in the Imperial Gaurd wouldnt talk back to a Commisar, a Space Marine is another thing though. They'd probably see a Commisar as just another normal human, a more respected 1 but a normal human anyhow.
I don't know my 40k, huh? You'd think that after playing since 2nd ed, and owning a shelf full of the Black Library novels I'd know a bit wouldn't you....
Regardless of the Commissar's standard or status, the Adeptus Astartes are treated with and expect a certain degree of respect. A Commissar being so abrupt with a Marine Captain would be unheard of, and the Marine would definitely take issue with it, even if he is an UltraSmurf.
Course u forget that Commissars demand the respect of all of those whom serve the Imperium. Plus I'm sure the captain doesn't need to say anything as he has nothing to prove cause SM's are hax
Commissars have no authority over the Space Marines. They hold sway over the Guard, Imperial Citizens, Naval personnel, and other offices of Imperium. If a Commissar were to attempt the summary execution of an Astartes, he would have his head handed to him.
Kids - if a Commissar is made the "head of operations" of a certain campaign, which includes Imperial Guard, Fleet, Space Marines and what not, the Space Marines will have to obey him just like everyone else, because he's the commanding officer and thus it's "Imperator vult".
And why would a Commissar order the execution of a Marine in the first place? If he even remotely "deserves" it, his brothers would take proper care of him much sooner, anyway.
I'm not disputing the fact that the Marine would take orders from him if he were made 'head of operations'. I'm just saying that most people wouldn't talk to a Marine that way, especially a Marine Captain. And most Marines wouldn't accept being spoken to that way.
The execution was just an example - albeit a rather extreme one - demonstrating the lack of authority an Imperial Guard officer has over one of the Astartes.
WTF? Commisar ordered a Space Marine? And i was thinking that even a normal space marine trooper can order commissar of the Imperial Guard. Well maybe this SM is not Force Commander :P
I believe he was a sergeant or maybe a captain, space marine force commanders rarely go out into the field, they do have a chapter to run after all.
The space marines generally respect and get along well with commissars since the two mirror each other in attitude and loyalty to the emperor.
Make no mistake though a commissar has no official authority over a space marine since the Adeptus Astartes answers only to their own chain of command or to the inquisition at times.
Maybe. But in the Dark Crusade they didn't get along :P Even in Soulstorm(Damn those sisters of battle...)Well you said that Inquisistion stays higher than Chapters of Space marines. They see heresy everywhere(Ordo Hereticus). Dark Crusade and soulstorm shows that IG, SM and Inquisition are enemies from time to time. How can they emperor allowing to do this? That question still trouble me...
Reason the various groups in crusade and SS butt heads is cause they all answer to different chains of command, thus when all three believe they are in the right someone needs to step aside. Since none of them will that means force is called for and used.
The sisters are the chamber militant of the ordo hereticus and the ecclisiarcy, in SS they aren't there on inqusition buisness, they were sent by the ecclesiarchy, the imperial church.
The reason the emperor doesn't intervene in the countless inner conflicts in the imperium is because what little consciousness he has is busy keeping the gods of chaos at bay in the warp.
One can only imagine how powerful mankind would have been if the emperor had come out of the horus heresy with his body intact, ten thousand years after he's a corpse on a throne kept alive by human sacrifice and he STILL keeps the four unthinkably powerful chaos gods away by virtue of his will alone.
Anyhow, this was made 10 years ago - marines in the 40k fluff were not so massive in those days; and its not like the size difference is too obvious in the miniatures; not like the difference in size between a guard and an ogryn.
indeed under inquistion orders they will be subordinate to those that the inquistion has charged. failure to comply will result in death and you geneseeds death too
Yeah, but come on. Yarrick is, without a doubt, the most famous of all the commissars. Plus, whens the last time you saw Holt in an army of 1,500 points or more?
But is Yarrick isnt played by a REAL BRITISH actor. Ugghhh... fine, Yarrick is better. But you MUST admit Holt is the MOST AWESOME character in this game.
Is THAT really a Spacemarine? i mean: shouldnt he be like far bigger than an ordinary human? And shouldnt it sound more like "clonk-clonk-clonk" when he walks off? Whats the weight of that armour anyway?
About enough to easily crush the life out of you if it fell on you-empty. You can move with surprising silence wearing standard Marine armour-Ragnar Blackmane managed to sneak up right behind an officer (over broken rubble, wreckage etc) in "Grey Hunter"
A Space Marine Captain might listen to this particular Commissar's suggestions, given his station, however in the end a detachment or company of marines would still be autonomous within an army's command structure, and outside a mere Commissar's authority. The Space Marines are a law unto their own, and the rare exception to this is with Inquistors - but even then they only defer to their authority - they are rarely commanded by it.
Erm...no. Neither a commissar nor an inquisitor has any authority when it comes to the Marines. They can ask for assistance, they can´t order it. The commissars can "only" overrule any guard or pdf officer as well as local politics up to the govenor.
Most don't have power. However, exceptionally experienced commissars may be given field commands, such as Delane Oktar and Ibram Gaunt in Dan Abnett's novel First and Only. The fact that any commissar can detain or execute any standard rank up to Lord General Militant (although summary executions are rare for ranks higher than Colonel) makes this distinction somewhat academic, as any commissar could remove an officer from command and assume control of the officer's unit.
Also, this Commissar was the right hand man of the Lord General Militant, which can issue orders (usually received more like suggestions) to the Space Marines. In the end it is up to the individual chapters what they do when the orders come through.
Concerning the guys size you can see the Marine is standing farther back to give the illusion of being taller without having him stand on something like a box. This is an old cinema and art trick called foreshortening.
The Ultramarines are the bog standard chapter from whom all others diverge. Also remember that this game came out 10 years ago. The Ultramarines were still quite fresh then and, of course, they do have a very cool and appropriate name :)
True. Too true, but try telling that to the Ordo Malleus and the Inquisition. They want to see the Space Wolves dead because they think that they're tainted with chaos!
Space wolves respect the pack and the chapter before the Emporer. Thats what seperated them from other Chapters. Thats what makes them great.
Charged with finding and destroying any xenos (alien) taint in the Imperium
Chambers Millitant: The Deathwatch
Ordo Malleus (The Order Of The Hammer):
Charged with finding and destroying any hereticical groups/chaos cults/witches/daemons etc in the Imperium, no matter who is involved, be they factory workers or a Planetary Governor.
Chamber Millitant: Witch Hunters, Sisters of Battle, Grey Knights
The Grey Knights are the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Malleus alone. The Witch Hunters are are the third branch of the Inquisition: the Ordo Hereticus. The Ordo deals with most corruption cases; "minor", and nothing too demonic. The Sisters of Battle are the Ordo's Chamber militant.
Why did Agrippa say that Holt was the most respected Commissar? Is he forgetting about Yarrick?
Additionally, re: levels of command. In the game, the Comissar is acting as "advisor" to the Imperial Guard Commander (the player of the game). In the clip he is actually thanking the marine for his assistance in the open assault on the planet; its just that he is so sardonic and the marine is so poefaced that makes them appear to be at loggerheads.
Just a little correction: the player is no mere Guard commander, but the Lord Commander Militant - that means the commander of 1/5 of the Imperium's forces (not counting Space Marines, Assassins and the like)! Btw, I think Holt was meant to be a living legend like Yarrick - that's the way he acts, anyway.
I stand corrected, Jeanstealer - in my defence I can only say that it's been a long time since I fought the Orcish Hordes and threw them back into the depths of space - praise be the Emperor - and, ah-em, exactly what sort of name is Jeanstealer for a loyal servant of the Empire? You are... loyal... aren't you?
Btw, back on the topic of Holt - I remembered that long ago I was digging through the game files and I found encyclopedia entries for Yarrick and Ghazghkull (not stats or picture, though). Perhaps they originally wanted he game to be a rematch for Armageddon? It would explain Holt's behaviour... Other interesting entries I found were Imperator Titan, Mega Gargant (they were on the game's box art!)and SM Commander (maybe Agrippa?) plus several others I don't remember (Boarboyz maybe).
Yeah, it was the first story (I think) in "Deathwing", a collection of short stories based in the 40K universe. Thing is, if Tyranids did that back then, do they still do it now? Or do they just attack 'en masse' as in Warriors Of Ultramar?
actuly tht space merin isnt agroper its agripin who later suthers a curse from a demon he saved his sanaty by converting his life esense into a drednought
totalfighters 2 months ago
@totalfighters there seems o be something up with your spelling, mate?!
1IbramGaunt 1 month ago
Al Bundy as a space marine? That's something I never expected to see.
premier6666 5 months ago 2
@premier6666 Now, just imagine Peg Bundy as a Sister non-Repentia.
MysteriousHu 5 months ago 4
Wtf are u talking about?! This game works perfect on Vista.
FoxRuFed 9 months ago
Thanks
MysteriousHu 9 months ago
a ranked space marine would never be talked to like that by a normal human. and is the space marine standing in a hole? he must be..last time i checked they were 8 foot tall and spanning almost 2 metres across
LoadedDesperado 1 year ago
@LoadedDesperado
Obiviously Commisar Holt is not an normal human.
Suojeluninja 11 months ago
Possibly. It was a DOS Game.
MysteriousHu 1 year ago
Thing that gets me is how fast the space marines move, I mean if they were just a tad slower it would at least give the illusion of wearing something other then paper mache
Timeshoes 1 year ago
@Timeshoes Armor is built around warriors, not the other way around. Power armor was designed with the space marines' strength and endurance in mind, so that they would still move nearly unhindered. It was the same way with medieval knights.
CrizzyEyes 8 months ago
@CrizzyEyes. Knigths in full plate moved less then unhindered. I really don't care about the lore in this case as it will not change the matter of how it looks when shown on screen. The body movements shatter any sense of realism. Some of the new CGI cut scenes do a better job though.
Timeshoes 8 months ago
was this the original movie or Videogame?
annoyingryan1220419 1 year ago
i wanna see what the gameplay in this game looks like
halorecon32 1 year ago
why is that space marine so short he should be way taller
yougotmyshirt 1 year ago
They remined me of the Nazis
jeramahia123 1 year ago
Mr Dreamblade, try typing Ultramarines the Movie into the search engine of your choice.
MysteriousHu 1 year ago
the funny thing about this game is the cutscenes are all like a movie, but the graphics were only sorta ok. good for the time though in my oppinion. i do think though, that it would have been cooler for GW to have made an hour long space marines movie.
MrDreamblade 1 year ago
What is that Marine talking about? Commissar Yarrick does. What has this no body done? Save a planet from a few Orks? Commissar Yarrick did it with his bare hands!
yoda2287 1 year ago
@yoda2287
No 'living' Commissar. Yarrick is presumed dead: MIA at the very least.
Oblivionfolk 1 year ago
@Oblivionfolk And you learned this from Where? Yarrick is in an Endless Pursuit with Gazzkull accompanied by an entire chapter of Space Wolves.
yoda2287 1 year ago
@yoda2287
He set off with a Fighting Company of Black Templars, yes, but no indication is given further than 'he was last seen' chasing the Ghazghkull: thus MIA.
Oblivionfolk 1 year ago
The height of the Ultramarine is quite not effective, he should be taller
admiralhugo40k 1 year ago
The acting isn't great, but more believable than the acting in most movies today.
Nagneto 1 year ago 5
That Commissar guy reminds me of Julius Caesar.
Joazzz14 2 years ago 8
Midgety Space Marine, wasn't he?
DeltaSquad451 2 years ago 20
@DeltaSquad451 no he was just being polite and on his knees...he likes to make eye contact when talking :P
kingsage18 1 year ago
@DeltaSquad451 Thats what happens to space marines that don't eat their fruit & veg.
metaltigeruk 1 year ago
@DeltaSquad451 Or Holt could be really big; judge for yourself.
1IbramGaunt 1 month ago
They should've gotten the space marine to stand on a box... they'd dwarf you in height :P
Henners1991 2 years ago
where.... can i get this game?
Fengorn956 2 years ago
It came out a decade ago, so you'd need to find it either in a jumble sale or download it of some dodgie website. I wouldn't be too hopeful of getting to run either unless you happen to have an old Windows operating system (Vista will just scratch its head and shrug).
MysteriousHu 2 years ago 2
@MysteriousHu will it run on DOSBOX?
digioverlord 1 year ago
@MysteriousHu You can try DOSBox, which is free.
Dsarker 9 months ago
@MysteriousHu Nope. You gotta get a Windows 7.
TheRealRealFlippy 8 months ago
*are those
Pavollasso 2 years ago
Real people - though they do manage to look rather like the trailers Games Workshop have produced for their more recent games - this was over 10 years ago.
MysteriousHu 2 years ago
is...is those animated or real humans??!?!?
Pavollasso 2 years ago
Where can I see gameplay?
chaklong 2 years ago
hmm. not sure where outside youtube u would find it. try google there old website may still have it.
jackal9i8 2 years ago
Space marines are so boring and flat, i don´t understand the nerd obsession with them.
ScourgeofInfidels 2 years ago
@ScourgeofInfidels
they are tall and muscled as hell, same things most sm fans want to be, lol
I prefer The Guard. They might be armed with only a lasgun, but they are still human and have the balls to stand up against everything nasty (;
Which is, what 40k is all about. The will of humanity to survive
TehFridgeizEmptyz 2 years ago 2
Just as long as you have enough of them :)
runedeadthA 2 years ago
dont u mean they are armed with "flashlights". hahahahahaha
troyluna555 1 year ago
@troyluna555 'he's making funny noises' or 'he started it' is not an excuse for punching an imperial guard.
tldragonking 1 year ago
I like the commisars hat
svartekaptenen 2 years ago
either that commissar is freakishly tall or that space marine is tiny
willyd100 2 years ago 3
the game is awesome and full of super heavy tanks & Titans...i want it! but the only site i found it on needs you to pay :(
orest1s94 3 years ago
what are these final liberation series they look awesome?
and an imperial guard commissar ranges to be 6ft
a space marine ranges to be 10ft
how come there both the same size there?
moomoocowgr 3 years ago
These are cutscenes from an old (1990's) computer game. The height issue has been raised before on this thread - maybe Holt is a tall Commissar and the marine is a short marine?
MysteriousHu 3 years ago
or maybe the show business had not discovered the camera tricks that can make people seem taller ? either way this is great but i cant actually find any gameplay videos on here :/ bit sttrange
Kilithaza 3 years ago
Gameplay video of Final Liberation?! Remember this was the 1990's - turnbased isometric microsprite action - like early Command and Conquer - The game looked shocking and gameplay wasn't much better; however, it was great in spite of its humongous faults - killing little green blobs by having your little grey blobs shoot little yellow blobs at them with a sound track of 4bit snaps pops and crackles - Dawn of War it was not. But at least it wasn't an RTS with no tactical finese - DoW it was not:)
MysteriousHu 3 years ago
Hmm i play high skill level DoW and i wouldnt say it has no tactical finese :p but yes gameplay video! i started playing in 96 so i never got to try it but im a huge fan of warhammer and i dont want to play it.. just see it.
Kilithaza 3 years ago
Well, DoW is open to some creativity, but I see everyone else doing the same thing I do. Build a hell of a lot of your basic troops. Upgrade them as much as you can, attatch leaders. Build all the tanks/heavy gun platforms that you can. launch them all at the enemy one by one.
Now on the note of FL, I hope all those costumes are in a glass case somewhere, especially Comissar Holt's costume. They really got the vibe right with the clothing there.
LoneSniperSG 3 years ago
It can be fairly predictable at times. I always just take 2 fully-equipped Space Marine squads early ingame; build Defenses and Basilisks as the IG; etc.
tehpevis 2 years ago
Generally Space Marines don't take crap from anybody, but I love the fact that a Commisar who was working with the Ordo Malleus could basically slap a Space Marine silly and there isn't a damn thing that he could do about it, what with it being the "Emperor's Will" and all. In regards to this video and its context, I would say that a Captain in the Ultramarines would give and receive respect from a Commisar of Holt's position and fame.
TeflonTron 3 years ago 2
The commisar keeps refering to the Marine as "Trooper". My guess, based on his height and lack of any service studs, is that he is not a marine as yet, nor has be been implanted with the glands and geneseed.
CaptJackRackham 3 years ago
As far as I know, Space Marine recruits have to serve in a Scout squad before becoming fully-fledged Marines. Perhaps this one has just 'graduated' from the Scout Marines?
JustAnotherLordiFan 3 years ago 3
No he has a white trim so he is from the Ultramarines 1st company, and according to how Commisar refers to him he is the captain of the 1st company of Ultramarines.
warforger2nd 3 years ago 3
and his name was also "Agrippa", I beleive? He's a Dreadnought in the 5th edition, during the fluff about the Ultramarine's battles. May just be name recycling, but...
Kargarh 3 years ago
I heard back during Codex:Ultramarines Sicaruis was 5th company captain and Agemman was 2nd company captain.
warforger2nd 3 years ago
Agrippa was also the name of a Roman Statesman and ally of Emperor Octavius. It is also the name of a 15 centry Astrologer, Philosopher and Magician (arcane not stage magic). So a good pedigree there for a Space Marine Captain, Maybe the Dreadnought and the Space Marine Captain are one and the same; the suit being named after the remains of the marine plugged in to it? Fluff-tastic!
MysteriousHu 3 years ago
oh dang i think i remember this game its turn based and it had nids in it right?
lawliownedu 2 years ago
Turn based yes - 'nids no - this was Imperial Guards versus the awful Green Skinz.
MysteriousHu 2 years ago
the commisar looks like some bikey
ManFromSnowyCity 3 years ago
"No living commissar holds more esteem"... Wow, the background has changed a lot since this came out. Isn't Yarrik supposed to be the best-known hero in the Imperium now, not including Marines?
MathewGSmith 3 years ago
Maybe the marine is just brown nosing Holt - after all, a stunty little space marine might need the commendation of a well respected Commissar to get his next good conduct badge. Yarrick's first appearance in "Defence of Missile Silo 51" (WD240) occured in 1999; Final Liberation was released in 1997 - so I guess Holt's position as "Univers's Baddest Bad Arse" had yet to be challenged.
MysteriousHu 3 years ago
Check out cutscene 1, he actually is a midget space marine. You see him next to another one for a few seconds and the other marine is at least 2 feet taller.
MathewGSmith 3 years ago
Space Dwarf? Maybe before Game Workshop strangely wrote them out of the background material? I mean what was wrong with Space Dwarfs? How are they less daft than Space Elfs or Space Orks?
MysteriousHu 3 years ago
1) Space Orks are _the_ designated absurd army for 40K, and they're still pretty scary when you're the one being attacked by them. A horde of creatures who live only for war is hilarious to read about right up until you see them killing people.
2) The Eldar aren't 'daft'. They're a dying, self-serving race that blames pretty much everyone else for their fall, and has the tech and the wisdom to have survived this long.
3) When 40K shifted from 'dark but slightly silly' to (to be continued)
shadowthespikythingy 3 years ago 2
(continuing) 'take every depressing thing you can think of and turn all dials up to 12', they felt the characterisation of Squats wasn't doing enough justice to the 'Dwarven' concept. Orks had enough traits to be taken deathly seriously as a race; Squats did not.
4) There was a discrepancy between how Squats were designed in mainstream 40K and how they were designed in Epic.
5) Don't lose heart for space dwarves - in the background, the Demiurg fill the niche.
shadowthespikythingy 3 years ago
I guess another interpretaion might be that Holt is 7' Tall :)
MysteriousHu 3 years ago
miget space marine omg
meese34 3 years ago 2
Lol your right. Space Marines are like 8.5 ft tall.
slowmobro 3 years ago
what a wussy space marine they don't take orders from anyone but themselves and the emporer he's got some issues i think
purplefood1 3 years ago
I have just checked my 40k rulebook. As you are the Lord Commander Militant(Or rather, Holt is the right-hand-man to), a High Lord of Terra, Commander of the Entire Imperial Guard, why wouldn't the Astartes take pause before retaliating against your second in command?
Grimskull44 3 years ago
Yup - these are powerful guys acting within their authority. For the space marine to throw a wobbler over Holt adressing him would be an insult to the Emperor and the marine's own sense of discipline. Anyway; I always thought Holt was being quite nice to the marine.
MysteriousHu 3 years ago
small space marine.
DieChavScum 3 years ago
i noticed that too
Malidsol 3 years ago
maybe the Commissar is on his command Chimera =)
rcheng30 3 years ago
Space Marines normally become 2,3 meters high (some even more!!) , in a Terminator Armour , they can be nearly 3 meters high . A normal Human seems to be 1,8 meters ( in best cases 1,9 meters ) high . In fact this vid isn't realistic . ^^
Btw the only one who can order a Space Marine Chapter is the Inquisition , even they have got their Problems to do so , and wouldn't do it without a BIG reason! SO this Commisar has nothing to order the Space Marine !
Read the Index Astartes I-IV folks !
Keksdose66 3 years ago
wtf!!!! a space marine is supposed 2 be like twice the size of a man!!
3fairrw 3 years ago
Having recent stuck together a bunch of Imperial Guard and Space Marine figures(surely the best guide to scale in 40k) the Space Marine figures are about the same height as the Guards. So, either the figures are not in scale, or the Guards are the same size as the Marines. Maybe they were thinking of Terminators when giving the height of Sapce Marines.
MysteriousHu 3 years ago
Answer: Not in scale. According to the background the Land Raider should be the same size as a Baneblade, instead it was scaled down further and it's Sponson guns more so. That is the reason why my Land Raider Command Vehicle is able to use a Predator Lascannon Sponson for emergency replacement and look to scale. according to the in-game codex for Final Liberation, when compared to the newer background, They downsized the Warlord and possibly Reaver Titans for the new models for 40k Apocalypse.
Grimskull44 3 years ago
Point taken - after all I was reading an article in which they said that the various body parts of the minatures are made out of scale to give them that "cartoony" punmped up look. The heads and arms are in two different scales to the bodies and legs. Otherwise they wouldn't look "Games Workshoppie".
MysteriousHu 3 years ago
Imagine if they hadn't rescaled the Titan models - who's going to give house space to a 2m model :)
If its okay for GW to produce models out of scale; than I think its fine for old FMV to do the same :) Or else the Space Marine is simply further away or stood in a hole. Of course, with modern video compositing software they could easily do "big" marines - if only they'd go back to making FMV cut scenes :(
MysteriousHu 3 years ago
Anyhow - the guy who plays Holt is simply great :) And the space marine is suitably chunky and miserable in my book too. What a shame Dawn of War went all RTS with game engine cut scenes :(
MysteriousHu 3 years ago
i'm sorr but astartes dont take s**t from anyone even commanders so that commisar would ave been snapped like a twig
fally15 3 years ago
one thing space marine is a lot bigger than a commisar apart from that it is ok
davewarhoundtitan 3 years ago
There is no way a Commissar would talk to a Marine like that! If he did, the Mrine wouldn't stand for it... Oh well, it's just nice to watch 40k being acted out, even if it is poorly!
Rooney
Rooneythewaster 3 years ago
you dont know anything about 40k because in 40k all of the men wouldnt stand up and back talk or anything to a Comissar of his standered .. you should know your 40k before you post
brass76 3 years ago
None of the men in the Imperial Gaurd wouldnt talk back to a Commisar, a Space Marine is another thing though. They'd probably see a Commisar as just another normal human, a more respected 1 but a normal human anyhow.
WildRaven8472 3 years ago 3
I don't know my 40k, huh? You'd think that after playing since 2nd ed, and owning a shelf full of the Black Library novels I'd know a bit wouldn't you....
Regardless of the Commissar's standard or status, the Adeptus Astartes are treated with and expect a certain degree of respect. A Commissar being so abrupt with a Marine Captain would be unheard of, and the Marine would definitely take issue with it, even if he is an UltraSmurf.
Rooney
Rooneythewaster 3 years ago 2
Course u forget that Commissars demand the respect of all of those whom serve the Imperium. Plus I'm sure the captain doesn't need to say anything as he has nothing to prove cause SM's are hax
ComisarNolan 3 years ago
Commissars have no authority over the Space Marines. They hold sway over the Guard, Imperial Citizens, Naval personnel, and other offices of Imperium. If a Commissar were to attempt the summary execution of an Astartes, he would have his head handed to him.
I agree that the SM's are hax though!
Rooney
Rooneythewaster 3 years ago
Kids - if a Commissar is made the "head of operations" of a certain campaign, which includes Imperial Guard, Fleet, Space Marines and what not, the Space Marines will have to obey him just like everyone else, because he's the commanding officer and thus it's "Imperator vult".
And why would a Commissar order the execution of a Marine in the first place? If he even remotely "deserves" it, his brothers would take proper care of him much sooner, anyway.
TheReverendBizarre 3 years ago
I'm not disputing the fact that the Marine would take orders from him if he were made 'head of operations'. I'm just saying that most people wouldn't talk to a Marine that way, especially a Marine Captain. And most Marines wouldn't accept being spoken to that way.
The execution was just an example - albeit a rather extreme one - demonstrating the lack of authority an Imperial Guard officer has over one of the Astartes.
And please, drop the 'kids'.
Rooney
Rooneythewaster 3 years ago
space marine looks so rubbish when played by actors, i think i could have kicked his ass
almostfatboyslim 3 years ago
which game station is this on?
wolverine1808 3 years ago
Windows 95 lol
Thevas11 3 years ago
WTF? Commisar ordered a Space Marine? And i was thinking that even a normal space marine trooper can order commissar of the Imperial Guard. Well maybe this SM is not Force Commander :P
Filek 3 years ago
I believe he was a sergeant or maybe a captain, space marine force commanders rarely go out into the field, they do have a chapter to run after all.
The space marines generally respect and get along well with commissars since the two mirror each other in attitude and loyalty to the emperor.
Make no mistake though a commissar has no official authority over a space marine since the Adeptus Astartes answers only to their own chain of command or to the inquisition at times.
Riptide555 3 years ago
Maybe. But in the Dark Crusade they didn't get along :P Even in Soulstorm(Damn those sisters of battle...)Well you said that Inquisistion stays higher than Chapters of Space marines. They see heresy everywhere(Ordo Hereticus). Dark Crusade and soulstorm shows that IG, SM and Inquisition are enemies from time to time. How can they emperor allowing to do this? That question still trouble me...
Filek 3 years ago
Reason the various groups in crusade and SS butt heads is cause they all answer to different chains of command, thus when all three believe they are in the right someone needs to step aside. Since none of them will that means force is called for and used.
The sisters are the chamber militant of the ordo hereticus and the ecclisiarcy, in SS they aren't there on inqusition buisness, they were sent by the ecclesiarchy, the imperial church.
Riptide555 3 years ago
The reason the emperor doesn't intervene in the countless inner conflicts in the imperium is because what little consciousness he has is busy keeping the gods of chaos at bay in the warp.
One can only imagine how powerful mankind would have been if the emperor had come out of the horus heresy with his body intact, ten thousand years after he's a corpse on a throne kept alive by human sacrifice and he STILL keeps the four unthinkably powerful chaos gods away by virtue of his will alone.
Riptide555 3 years ago
Ah this brings back memories.
And those guys really had that British stiff upper lip going for them.
Riptide555 4 years ago
sisters of battle must be strong they carry bolter but they dont have marine implants
d221622x 4 years ago
you don't really need the implants to carry a bolter, it just helps alot.
GuinessLager 4 years ago 4
Theyre very determined. After all, hell hath no fury than a fanatic nun in power armour
automatonsleuth 4 years ago 2
I literally lolled at the fanatic nun gag.
HellbirdIV 4 years ago
They're smaller caliber Bolters than Marine bolters. The Marines are Godwyn Mk IV. Sisters and Guard Officers have...some other mark XD
Malcadorsigilite 4 years ago
An average Space Marine is 8 feet tall DAMMIT!!!
billyboyjennings 4 years ago
the space marines are actually only seven feet tall. space marines are never any smaller or bigger. they are all only seven feet tall.
infumple 4 years ago
that power armor they always wear got to add an extra foot, maybe
BabyPirateQuin 4 years ago
why's the marine SMALLER than the Comissar?
Duckgiz49 4 years ago
Small... Far Away... :)
Anyhow, this was made 10 years ago - marines in the 40k fluff were not so massive in those days; and its not like the size difference is too obvious in the miniatures; not like the difference in size between a guard and an ogryn.
MysteriousHu 4 years ago
Lol. Probably the part of the mound where he stood. But Space marines are said to be 9 feet tall max.
emmthreejonny 4 years ago
Thats In armor right?
MarineChaplain 4 years ago
The armour dosen't add more than an inch or two to their height.
CorvusMoore 4 years ago
Probably, but in games workshop they're described as 9 feet of death.
emmthreejonny 3 years ago
Huh, im just this side of seven, sooo if I were a space marine.....Damn.. :D
MarineChaplain 3 years ago
actually they can be taller then 11 feet
lokaiz 3 years ago
I like these actors.
sourcemaster 4 years ago
i like the actors do but they lack good costumes graphic work/ makeup work and SM work ALOT of SM work but it was a good try and concept.
Doctor01000 4 years ago
I thought they did pretty well for a 1990's fmv game, compred to some of the others, it could have been alot worse
BabyPirateQuin 4 years ago
I know, hell this is better than some of the crap they show on scifi, at least the cutscenes are intresting
doomburger90 3 years ago
Sacred Feth!!... Patrick Stewart?
DartzIRL 4 years ago
Patrick who?
DerOrk 4 years ago
.....
He played Captain Picard...
Certainly sounds like him, looks a bit like him...
DartzIRL 4 years ago
ahh, yeah i see, but this guy has hair^^
DerOrk 4 years ago
Maybe the Space Marine was standing on lower ground... hehehe
kakalunga 4 years ago
Space Marine should be alot taller
magila1 4 years ago
unless its inquistions orders
Blackivar 4 years ago
indeed under inquistion orders they will be subordinate to those that the inquistion has charged. failure to comply will result in death and you geneseeds death too
horusrage 4 years ago
I can't get past that marine, too funny. Ah well, I guess the budget only went so far :)
Tellessa 4 years ago
I was just saying that in the Warhammer 40k universe, Yarrick is the most celebrated of all the Commissars in general.
ScorpionHUT 4 years ago
and gaunt is second
apocolypsereigns 4 years ago
Wait.. no living Commissar holds more respect? What about Yarrick!?
ScorpionHUT 4 years ago
Holt is also an Inquisitorial Commissar, fool. He is an elite veteran of many battles.
kakalunga 4 years ago 2
Yeah, but come on. Yarrick is, without a doubt, the most famous of all the commissars. Plus, whens the last time you saw Holt in an army of 1,500 points or more?
ScorpionHUT 4 years ago
But is Yarrick isnt played by a REAL BRITISH actor. Ugghhh... fine, Yarrick is better. But you MUST admit Holt is the MOST AWESOME character in this game.
kakalunga 4 years ago
Oh, thats what you meant then yeah, of course! Until they get an actor to portray Yarrick, that is...
ScorpionHUT 4 years ago
Is THAT really a Spacemarine? i mean: shouldnt he be like far bigger than an ordinary human? And shouldnt it sound more like "clonk-clonk-clonk" when he walks off? Whats the weight of that armour anyway?
ZeroTiamat 4 years ago
About enough to easily crush the life out of you if it fell on you-empty. You can move with surprising silence wearing standard Marine armour-Ragnar Blackmane managed to sneak up right behind an officer (over broken rubble, wreckage etc) in "Grey Hunter"
wasp27 3 years ago
A Space Marine Captain might listen to this particular Commissar's suggestions, given his station, however in the end a detachment or company of marines would still be autonomous within an army's command structure, and outside a mere Commissar's authority. The Space Marines are a law unto their own, and the rare exception to this is with Inquistors - but even then they only defer to their authority - they are rarely commanded by it.
anoctris 4 years ago
y is a commisar telling a ranking space marine wot 2 do
monkeybugs66 4 years ago
commisars have power even over the space marines. Inquisitors still have power over the commisars, but only power, not authority.
Mathadar 4 years ago
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Erm...no. Neither a commissar nor an inquisitor has any authority when it comes to the Marines. They can ask for assistance, they can´t order it. The commissars can "only" overrule any guard or pdf officer as well as local politics up to the govenor.
Magni56 4 years ago
Most don't have power. However, exceptionally experienced commissars may be given field commands, such as Delane Oktar and Ibram Gaunt in Dan Abnett's novel First and Only. The fact that any commissar can detain or execute any standard rank up to Lord General Militant (although summary executions are rare for ranks higher than Colonel) makes this distinction somewhat academic, as any commissar could remove an officer from command and assume control of the officer's unit.
Mathadar 4 years ago
And that means jack-shit to a marine. And it are just suggestions.
Magni56 4 years ago
Also, this Commissar was the right hand man of the Lord General Militant, which can issue orders (usually received more like suggestions) to the Space Marines. In the end it is up to the individual chapters what they do when the orders come through.
Mathadar 4 years ago
Since when did a commissar speak down to a Space Marine? O.o And a Captain at that!
StormchaserKnight 4 years ago
why do space marines look so cheesey when they area not in a cartoon or somthing like that
Chriseycarlyeah324 4 years ago
Because the idea of space marines is cheesy.
sf57198 4 years ago
hills of death bodies... The fulls scale warfare in the 40th millenium
EmperorofTerra 4 years ago
Not bad at all for the time and the acting seems good, but a current version made by the right people would kick ass.
Frost124 4 years ago
further proof that this would make a great movie...
krapsicle 4 years ago
I think it's kinda funny that you can see the space marine costume is all one piece as he can't move his arms or torso very much at all
shardmad 4 years ago
I'm pretty impressed how accurate the costumes are considering the limited budgets games had back then.
Starcutter20 4 years ago
you will find its 8'-9' in the latest fluff. They would pick the largest, strongest recruits possible as well.
ryanamay 4 years ago
Concerning the guys size you can see the Marine is standing farther back to give the illusion of being taller without having him stand on something like a box. This is an old cinema and art trick called foreshortening.
seanconking 4 years ago
The Ultramarines are the bog standard chapter from whom all others diverge. Also remember that this game came out 10 years ago. The Ultramarines were still quite fresh then and, of course, they do have a very cool and appropriate name :)
MysteriousHu 4 years ago
Ultramarines might be standard, but Space Wolves still pwn them.
LoneSniperSG 4 years ago
True. Too true, but try telling that to the Ordo Malleus and the Inquisition. They want to see the Space Wolves dead because they think that they're tainted with chaos!
Space wolves respect the pack and the chapter before the Emporer. Thats what seperated them from other Chapters. Thats what makes them great.
LordAkira 4 years ago
The ordo malleus IS the Inquisition... fool.
kakalunga 4 years ago
True, though only a part of it.
Ordo Xenos:
Charged with finding and destroying any xenos (alien) taint in the Imperium
Chambers Millitant: The Deathwatch
Ordo Malleus (The Order Of The Hammer):
Charged with finding and destroying any hereticical groups/chaos cults/witches/daemons etc in the Imperium, no matter who is involved, be they factory workers or a Planetary Governor.
Chamber Millitant: Witch Hunters, Sisters of Battle, Grey Knights
wasp27 4 years ago 3
The Grey Knights are the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Malleus alone. The Witch Hunters are are the third branch of the Inquisition: the Ordo Hereticus. The Ordo deals with most corruption cases; "minor", and nothing too demonic. The Sisters of Battle are the Ordo's Chamber militant.
Why did Agrippa say that Holt was the most respected Commissar? Is he forgetting about Yarrick?
Thevas11 4 years ago
maby it was based before Yarricks time? I don't know. but I agrre with you Which Hunters and Grey Knights are different.
Duckgiz49 4 years ago
go space wolves. For Russ!
adhockey99 4 years ago
why must it always be ultramarines the coulor and chapter symbol now anoys me so much that i turned to guard
mjcpker 4 years ago
thank you! everywhere you look you see the ultramarines...i switched to space wolves, another underrated chapter compared to the ultramarines
adhockey99 4 years ago
Additionally, re: levels of command. In the game, the Comissar is acting as "advisor" to the Imperial Guard Commander (the player of the game). In the clip he is actually thanking the marine for his assistance in the open assault on the planet; its just that he is so sardonic and the marine is so poefaced that makes them appear to be at loggerheads.
MysteriousHu 4 years ago
Just a little correction: the player is no mere Guard commander, but the Lord Commander Militant - that means the commander of 1/5 of the Imperium's forces (not counting Space Marines, Assassins and the like)! Btw, I think Holt was meant to be a living legend like Yarrick - that's the way he acts, anyway.
jeanstealer 4 years ago
I stand corrected, Jeanstealer - in my defence I can only say that it's been a long time since I fought the Orcish Hordes and threw them back into the depths of space - praise be the Emperor - and, ah-em, exactly what sort of name is Jeanstealer for a loyal servant of the Empire? You are... loyal... aren't you?
MysteriousHu 4 years ago
Oh I revere the 4-armed Emperor as highly as any devout Imperial citizen (you seem like a veteran, so I think you'll get this one!).
jeanstealer 4 years ago
Btw, back on the topic of Holt - I remembered that long ago I was digging through the game files and I found encyclopedia entries for Yarrick and Ghazghkull (not stats or picture, though). Perhaps they originally wanted he game to be a rematch for Armageddon? It would explain Holt's behaviour... Other interesting entries I found were Imperator Titan, Mega Gargant (they were on the game's box art!)and SM Commander (maybe Agrippa?) plus several others I don't remember (Boarboyz maybe).
jeanstealer 4 years ago
lol erm is this where the tyranids changed some hologram of the emperor fighintg and all of a sudden had 4 arms, it was in a book i was reading
tahsin2001 4 years ago
Yeah, it was the first story (I think) in "Deathwing", a collection of short stories based in the 40K universe. Thing is, if Tyranids did that back then, do they still do it now? Or do they just attack 'en masse' as in Warriors Of Ultramar?
wasp27 3 years ago