The Historical Jesus: Man vs. Myth (Dr. Ehrman) I

[lauraludwig100]

Your Doctor Title does nothing to Impress me. However your Hate and Ignorance are Intensely Profound.

[mcarbone80]

I like Bart's books and lectures but i wish he didn't go in to lawyer mode when he's talking. It sounds like he's trying to convince a jury.

[auditorization]

The four first gospels -(there is a fifth. it's called revelation) We see Jesus portrayed differently INTENTIONALLY, he is shown as:

Matthew -- The prophesied Messiah of the Jews

Mark -- Human Jesus, Obedient Servant

Luke -- Savior of all mankind

John -- God Incarnate

And Finally Revelation As the Conquering KING

You must take all the gospels to get a better picture of who Jesus is and you cannot take only one and pit it against another.

[osiris7nz]

@auditorization that is interesting spin you have there saying that the gospels conflict about who Jesus was on purpose. Is it also the case that the early church couldnt agree on this question on purpose too?

[auditorization]

@osiris7nz It is not a 'spin' it is the truth, Just as the five stars in the hand of Betula as prophesied in the Old Testament. The story is written in the stars- I know i'm sounding crazy now, but it's true. Betula - the virgin, - look to the hebrew prophesy The BRANCH and the FIVE stars in the hand of the virgin constelation, it's all foretold in the Old testament, Michael Rood has done ALOT of research on the subject and can teach you alot, he's on youtube. aroodawakening -

[osiris7nz]

@auditorization this five stars thing is just wishful thinking. Like the NT authors, trying to make prophecy come true in whatever way necessary. I mean what do you think of Jesus born in a manger in Luke but Joseph has a house in Bethlehem in Matthew? Two conflicting stories made up after the event to fulfill prophecy

[auditorization]

paused at 1:25 he starts out ranting, i'm not listening to it. Look, the dead sea scrolls are dated before mohammed (600)AD and thus mohammed endorsed them as accurate. So muslims MUST accept the Bible. The OT describes a person like mohammed as a FALSE prophet and thus muslims must leave islam of lies and follow the OT even if they don't accept the NT b/c the quran DEMANDS it!

[mccabe1958]

@auditorization It's obvious you're not listening. And why would you? You're already sure that you possess the truth, no facts could ever dissuade you.

Why would the followers of one mythology HAVE to follow another mythology at your urging.

[auditorization]

@mccabe1958 Did you know? Gandhi is dust. Buddha is bones. Pharoah is a mummy. Mohammed is a corpse. But Jesus, Jesus my friend, he LIVES Jesus's body God refused to allow it to see corruption! Historical FACT is that he was seen killed and was seen ALIVE after! Many people made myths, many had followers, Jesus is the only who did miracles, and the ONLY who was dead yet LIVES EVERMORE!

[mccabe1958]

@auditorization That's awesome dude! Do you have a phone number for him, I have a million questions...

[auditorization]

@mccabe1958 Friend, Jesus does not need a phone. Jesus can hear your prayers -he is God as he said he was and God the Father raised him from the dead which confirms he is God. If Jesus had lied, then a perfect God wouldn't have raised him from the dead. You need not a phone, just pray to him and read his word the Holy Bible which has been preserved through the years it is God's love letter to your soul. Jesus is the only way into heaven.

[FixErrorCodes]

@auditorization Did you listen to any part of this video?

[FixErrorCodes]

@auditorization That is not a historical fact. According to the Gospels his own disciples didn't even recognize him so he couldn't have been raised in the same body. And we dont know if it was fact because we dont have any of the originals (autographs) and some manuscripts dont even have resurrection accounts.

[auditorization]

@FixErrorCodes He was talking with some while walking down the road, then they realized who they were talking to and rejoiced. Also, John 20:28 Thomas "My Master My God." - Sounds like they knew exactly who he was. According to the Gospels they didn't know he was the God until after he was resurrected. Your autograph remark brings scripture to mind. Luke 16:19-31 A rich man in hell called over to Abraham and begged him to send lazarus back to earth to tell his brothers so they wouldn't go to

[auditorization]

@FixErrorCodes wouldn't go to hell Abraham told him ‘They have Moses and the prophets. Let them listen to them’

"He said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’

"He said to him, ‘If they don’t listen to Moses and the prophets,

neither will they be persuaded if one rises from the dead.’"

If you will not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will you be persuaded if you see an autograph. If I can present you an autograph you'll debate it's legitimacy.

[osiris7nz]

@auditorization btw sai baba is accredited of as many (if not more) miracles as jesus. google him and see. Is Sai baba god too?

[auditorization]

@osiris7nz did sai baba raise from the dead?

I didn't think so. Thanks for playing bye bye.

[osiris7nz]

@auditorization the resurrection is a fairy tale for intellectually crippled children . if you think Jesus was raised from the dead then you have no idea of God whatsoever ..

[auditorization]

@osiris7nz from your arrogant, 'i know everything' beligerent attitude, .... are you atheist?

[osiris7nz]

@auditorization I am no atheist I believe in a God that you wouldnt understand, one with unending love...not a jealous father projection that would send his chiödren to hell your dogmatic position is the arrogant one.

[auditorization]

@osiris7nz So you don't believe in the power of God for Jesus to be raised from the dead. Then are you a muslim? But the muslim god is anything but loving. But if you were muslim you wouldn't believe that god had any children.... So you must be part of one of the minor relgions of the world?

[drkmwinters]

Just to be clear, Ehrman is on record as accepting an historical Jesus.

[MushroomedAnymore]

On what basis can we assert none of the Apostles were literate men. Wasn't one (Matthew?) a tax collector?  Surely they must have been literate.

In natural eyewitness testimony stories will differ, but it is also true that if you pass a story through multiple people in the game of 'telephone' the story will change. So we need to delve deeper than mere difference between Gospels to reach a firm argument.

[tadpoleposition]

@MushroomedAnymore Matthew was written anonymously, therefore it doesn't stand as proof for anything. Now, couple that with the irreconcilable contradictions between the other Gospels, added/removed verses, misapplied "Messianic" prophecies, etc., and its level of acceptability becomes even more jeopardized. Matthew may or may not have been a tax collector, but Acts 4:13 tells us Peter and John were illiterate, yet books are attributed to them in other then their mother tongue. Big problem!

[sp1ke0kill3r]

@TeesByTruthSurge There is no 100% agreement. Paul's own account of his time with the disciples suggests Jesus was real. How that reality was affected by story telling is another question

[tadpoleposition]

I agree there are too many people making mention of a Jesus having existed sometime in the beginning of the First Century. I also agree there are numerous exaggerations about who he really was and what he really did. Thank Allah for the Truth!

[sp1ke0kill3r]

@tadpoleposition indeed, Islam suffers from the same defects

[tadpoleposition]

@sp1ke0kill3r Bring your proofs, big guy.

[sp1ke0kill3r]

@tadpoleposition Don't need to little one. If Christianity suffered from copying copies of copies and copying various errors, it's very likely Islam did as well. Do you really think copying mistakes, and exageration are unique to christians? ROTFL

[tadpoleposition]

@sp1ke0kill3r No proof yet a "very likely" outcome? What in the hell is that? And here you thought you were ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sp1ke0kill3r]

@tadpoleposition Yet or really unnecessary? very likely ? Tell me if I cook a meal with alot of salt do I need to prove that each serving will be salty?

[tadpoleposition]

@sp1ke0kill3r Go ahead and charge me with an ad hominem fallacy violation. You're a bumbling idiot.

[sp1ke0kill3r]

@tadpoleposition Back to wetting the bed, I see. Is that the best argument you can muster? What's next, foofy? Crapping your pants and pretending you didn't?.

[tadpoleposition]

@sp1ke0kill3r "Is that the best argument you can muster?"

No, it's actually one of the weakest arguments, but it shows that if a Christian can't even refute something as weak as that and have to resort to fallacious arguments as a refutation, then how in the hell will a Christian deal with something far stronger?

[sp1ke0kill3r]

@tadpoleposition I'm not sure what your Christianity would have to do with it. Or do you mean you think I'm a Christian? I most assuredly am not. Either way how does one "refute" name calling poopey? What fallacies, exactly. Do you really think Islam SOMEHOW avoided human variants and translation errors etc Christianity didn't or is it more likely your just not willing to see them and when someone points them out all you can do is sob and call names

[tadpoleposition]

@sp1ke0kill3r "Do you really think Islam SOMEHOW avoided human variants and translation errors etc"

In the most eloquent words of Stone Cold Steve Austin "Oh, hell yeah". What the heck is a non-Christian doing defending Christianity anyway?

[AR333]

@TeesByTruthSurge Can I ask where you got that from? I mean the whole Mark allegorized as a sort of Odysseus stuff. I'd like to know the source of that.

[smithjustinn]

@AR333 It's Zeitgeist consipiracy crap but it's based on misquoting Robert Eisenman who himself doesn't support a mythical Jesus.

[sp1ke0kill3r]

@AR333 Actually, it's not Mark, but Luke.  Th point of it is to appeal to a greek audience

[EdM021]

In the New Testament Jesus was a materialized ghost or the offspring of a ghost (holy). The historical Jesus (Yeshu'ah actually) if any would have been a rabbi or an insurrectionist and there was probably one of each.

[TheSultan03]

I believe that there is not enough evidence of a historical Jesus to convince me that he ever existed. He is a fictioanl character. The bible is very fictional. I don't see how people can debunk everthing in the bible and yet still feel that Jesus is real. You have to believe that a guy from a town that never existed was born to celestial events, for which there is no evidence, and died in a very suspect and canon conflicting fashion. I just don't get it.

[jefersontorres]

Too nervous, too revolted.

[rmaxtpmx]

Well said. Thank you for posting this.

[baronerolo]

Excellent..thank you so much!

[mrekbass]

Wow!!