If you take for granted the existence of God and follow a religion related to it, you are forever thinking inside a box the size of an atom.
I, on the other hand, think inside a box, more the size of a solar system. Understand the nature of reality and the cosmos first, before you chain yourself to a religion. When you start to understand it, religions become meaningless.
If you take for granted the existence of God and follow a religion related to it, you are forever thinking inside a box the size of an atom.
I, on the other hand, think inside a box, more the size of a solar system. Understand the nature of reality and the cosmos first, before you chain yourself to a religion. When you start to understand it, religions become meaningless.
If you take for granted the existence of God and follow a religion related to it, you are forever thinking inside a box the size of an atom.
I, on the other hand, think inside a box, more the size of a solar system. Understand the nature of reality and the cosmos first, before you chain yourself to a religion. When you start to understand it, religions become meaningless.
@aboyborninjune hmmm i disagree. One can be Christian and seek the understandings of reality and the cosmos. I love to learn about things like that. As a matter of fact, the brilliance of God is illustrated in these things.
@meer8 Yes, but you really need to stretch the interpretations of the Bible to ridiculousness to make them seem compatible with the cosmos. Nothing that is written in a book can contain the secrets of billions of light-years. If the universe could laugh, I think it would laugh at our whole tiny existence, including the even tinier construct of religion.
And since the undefinable "God" is supposed to be beyond time and space - how to tell the difference between "God" and something non-existent?
A good rule of thumb for both sides, there is a 99.99999999% that the person you arguing with in YouTube comments will not change what they think. It comes down to underlying philosophies that people are not willing to change. My main point is people are not swayed by the facts.
@featherpants232 Totally agree with you. Because I could provide so much evidence about the Bible being accurate and true, but none of that amounts to anything. Unless, the Holy Spirit convinces their soul.
His third point, about determining the credibility of witness testimony in the Bible is not to be taken seriously. The same standards apply to miracles in other world religions.
Might sound silly but I just know that it is true. It might be something that God puts in our hearts but He is real for me. Real and absolute. He is also a God who loves us. :)
@BritneyAddicted4EVA It might sound silly, but Muslims just know that Islam is true. They say it's something Allah put in their hearts; he is real for them. Real and absolute. He is also a God who loves them.
Everything you just said can and does apply to every single religion on the face of this Earth. So, as the video asked; why the fuck do you think CHRISTIANITY is true?
@SeedsOfHatred Because I know it. It takes a supernatural work of God in your heart to even know that without Him you are lost. That God is Jesus. He said that whoever loves Him loves the Father also. I can't give you what God gave to me. My heart and my faith works only for me. You have to experience the "new birth" for yourself. You can't meet Jesus and stay the same.
@BritneyAddicted4EVA "Because I know it" is not even close to being a valid reason to believe something. And in any case, as I just said, followers of every religion on Earth claim to "know" that their God is the true God. Every single one of them.
Now, they can't ALL be right, because they all claim that all of the other religions are false. So, there must be a concrete reason for any rational person to believe that their religion is THE religion.
@BritneyAddicted4EVA It is also worth noting that you just blatantly contradicted yourself when you said that "That God is Jesus". Immediately after that, you claimed that "whomever loves Him loves the Father also".
I realize the Bible is foreign to most "Christians", but there are several times in which Jesus himself refers to God as a seperate being. He even prays to "his father" on occasion. For this reason, Jesus is not God. He is a seperate entity.
@SeedsOfHatred I did not contradict myself and you tell the truth. Jesus, however, IS God. He is the second member of the Trinity. There are three persons but one God. This is a basic teaching of Christianity. You can't go deeper than Romans 11:33 here. Nobody has ever fully understood God and if we did it would be a proof that Christianity is a human idea. It is not. Jesus is the Lord.
"This is a basic teaching of Christianity" - Another basic teaching is that every living thing on Earth was created "according to it's own kind" as we see them today. We now know THAT to be false as well.
We also know that Christianity is not only a human idea, but an idea that takes it's basic plot points and characters from much earlier mythologies. That is also a fact.
@SeedsOfHatred Jesus prayed to the Father. The concept of Him not needing to pray is awful. Prayer is a fellowship with the Lord. It is not just asking things from Him. All members of the Trinity are in perfect fellowship all the time. Your concept of prayer contradicts this. Prayer is a gift of God to us, carriers of His image. The only being able to pray.
Why do I believe? I can't find a reason in me. I was a full time idolater before I got saved.
@BritneyAddicted4EVA If you don't have a reason to believe, then you are a moron. You might as well believe in unicorns and gnomes while you're at it, because there is no valid reason to believe in them either.
MY concept of prayer contradicts what you're saying? You're saying that Jesus prayed to "the Father", to "the Lord", when earlier you said that Jesus IS the Lord. I'M contradicting myself? REALLY?
@SeedsOfHatred That is not what I said at all. Your concept of prayer is not the concept of prayer that the Bible talks about. Christianity is about heart. That's the bottom of the issue.
Read some commentaries, maybe they can help you. Ask the pastor at some church in your town. By your speech I see that you have no idea of what the Holy Trinity is. I'd go as far to say that without understanding that you will never have full joy in prayer. If you pray at all.
@BritneyAddicted4EVA You're describing prayer to me. That's not the answer to the question I'm asking. I'm asking who Jesus prayed TO. I don't care how he prayed or why he prayed, I'm asking who that prayer was directed to if he himself is God.
The only option at this point is for you to come out and admit that you believe Jesus prayed to himself. Not to the "Father" (a predecessor) or a seperate "Lord", but to himself.
@SeedsOfHatred Whaat...? No, it actually implies it. If Jesus and the Father were one person then there would be no Trinity. Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. 3 persons but one God.
@SeedsOfHatred You absolutely miss the nature of the Holy Trinity.
Let me take you to a human level. 3 guys are bosses in the company. One is financial manager, one manages the marketing department and another one manages production. They are all managers and by sharing reports and control results they don't share it with themselves. Jesus is God. The verse that might help you is Matthew 22:41-44. It will keep you busy for a while. :)
@SeedsOfHatred No... There is one God and three persons. Management analogy was just trying to picture that there is 3 persons but one system. In Biblical sense 3 Persons but one God. The Bible explicitly says that the depths of the knowledge of God are unsearchable. We can't claim to understand all. It will take us forever in heaven to get to know God more and more. :)
Keep this in mind: three persons and one God. Go from there, not from an assumption that it is not true.
I still suggest talking to a pastor in your Church if you go to one or just seeking one to explain you the Holy Trinity. If it makes you feel better forget anything I said about it and try to find a better guidance.
@BritneyAddicted4EVA I'm not looking for guidance, I'm an atheist. I'm simply questioning the validity of these unecessarily complicated and nonsensical claims.
But as I said, I might as well be arguing over the actions of Star Wars characters. It doesn't matter who shot first - Han or Greedo - it's a made-up fucking movie.
@BritneyAddicted4EVA Well, you see, I was a Christian for the first 20 years of my life. I fully believed in the Bible and what it had to say.
Then I began to notice that as I got older, the Bible made less and less sense. Just as a child begins to learn that the Santa Clause concept makes less and less sense.
Unfortunately, some people simply never grow out of this infantile state of mind. Thus, for them, these myths make sense. Even if they themselves can't explain why.
@SeedsOfHatred You were never a Christian in the first place. I have to be this straight forward; you were not. Jesus said that those whom the Father calls come to Him. We don't come to God because we want it. Christianity is in this regard unique. Human religion will tell you "do better, try harder and maybe your will decides to be a Christian next morning so good luck". That is not Christianity. It has nothing to do with it. There's still hope for you tho.
@BritneyAddicted4EVA You see, I KNEW this was what you were going to say. Every arrogant-minded Christian does. They assume to tell me what my status of Christianity was based on the fact that I no longer adhere to it.
Not very humble of you. Even rather assuming.
"Christianity is in this regard unique"
No, everything that you think and feel about your religion is felt by others about THEIR religion. As I've already stated.
@SeedsOfHatred With your stance, you are already in judgment of God. I don't need to prove anything to anyone, I just need to tell the one that is concerned about hell to repent and believe, that is your only responsibility. I can't convince you because you are determined to not believe. God hardens hearts and softens hearts all for His own glory. Because He is God, He is God, therefore, does as He pleases....amazing.......:)
So he's a self-indulgent twat, then? Yeah, that's a guy you wanna work for...
"you are determined to not believe"
I am determined to believe in TRUTH. I seek that truth through evidence and reason. Around the time of my 20th birthday, I realized I saw no actual evidence for God, and thus had no logical reason to believe in him.
Rest assured, if such evidence were to present itself, I would be more than happy to aknowledge it. So far: no such luck.
@brain55able 1Well, you're right, some brilliant people were believers. Let's take the field of inventors, name any of them who was a christian. Let's say for the sake of the example that the guy who invented the steam-machine was a christian. The process required to invent it was reason. Not at any moment that guy stood, prayed and suddenly it worked. To make it, he had to leave faith aside and only use his reason (more in the next comment)
1Well, you're right, some brilliant people were believers. Let's take the field of inventors, name any of them who was a christian. Let's say for the sake of the example that the guy who invented the steam-machine was a christian. The process required to invent it was reason. Not at any moment that guy stood, prayed and suddenly it worked. To make it, he had to leave faith aside and only use his reason (more in the next comment)
2Remember what is reason: starting with the senses, using logic to come to conclusions. Remember what is faith: god gives the conclusions. No, by definition you can't have both. When a christian is using reason, he is not in a process of faith. Christians come from one to another all the time as life without reason is impossible. Let me show you now a metaphor of what I said.
3A entreprenueur decides to build a building on a swamp. He has faith and prays god that the foundation can hold the building. Than he uses his reason to build the building (being sure that the foundation will hold because he has faith it will). 100% chances the building collapses. He used reason but a single step away from it invalidated his reasoning. Reason is an all or nothing.
There is no reason to believe. Reason and faith are opposit. Reason starts with the evidence of the senses and using logic to arrive at a conclusion (and you don't have to pre-suppose a God for that as he says and doen't explain why). Faith is you can throw away the senses, the evidence, the logic and you get it directly from God. Faith is the sin of rejecting reality, not a sin against God but against reality.
@maximemeis111 I disagree. Having faith doesn't mean you are stupid. Some of history's most brilliant people have professed faith in God. You can still have faith in God and be a reasonable person. As one may be foolish and believe in God or be very intelligent and disbelieve in God. One's own reasoning ability can't discount the existence of God on any level. In other words, one can't assume that their reasoning power is able to disprove that God doesn't exist.
Piper's reasons for belief are highly subjective. The claim that the Bible is "self authenticating" is made by Muslims about the Qu'ran as well and most every other religion with a holy book.
GOD CAN SUUUCK MY DICK... LOL WELL WE ALL KNOW THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN BECAUSE ITS NOT REAL... WTF IS THIS GUY TAAALLLKING ABOUT YOU GUYS NEVER GIVE A REASONABLE ANSWER TO HOW YOU KNOW YOUR GOD EXIST.... ALWAYS RANT ABOUT SOME BULLSHIT WHICH NEVER MAKES SENSE BASICALLY GIVING GOD CREDIT FOR EVERYTHING... FUCK YOU TO THE PEOPLE OF THE PAST WHO MADE UP THE WHOLE GOD THING. YOU DID YOUR JOB. BRAVO. YOU'VE SUCCESSFULLY CONTROLLED THE MINDS THESE GULLIBLE BEINGS. SO MUCH FOR SEEING IS BELIEVING
You who obviously don't believe in God or His creation; You are the model of a troll. Why else would you even bother clicking on a link to a video titled "John Piper - Why do you think Christianity is true?" For no other reson than to spread your hatred. If you never seek for God you won't find Him. If you never find God you will perish in your sins for all of eternity. God loves you and has provided a way to avoid that but your pride and arogance must be replaced with humility and repentance.
@Griffin9857 "You know what's ironic, it was the bible itself that led me to atheism."
Then you never understood it, and before you go flexing your ego and throwing more insults, myself and many other educated people find the Bible and Christ as a sane and rational belief. You obviously did not seek hard enough to be found. With the same word he will confound the wise and give wisdom to the humble. <-- Interesting and key word for God to come to you and truly remove all doubt personally.
@Moving2U I can assure you that I understood every word of it. Nothing I said was an insult, I simply pointed out your glaring ignorance for everything scientific. As a young believer I can also assure you that I did everything I could to find Jesus. Problem is, he simply wasn't there to be found. There is no doubt in my mind that he isn't there, never was, and never will be.
@McCruelAddictTheBest LOL who says I don't believe in Flying Spaghetti Monster? Isn't he a Dr Suess classic? Or does he show up on Barney I forget which.
Just this morning I couldn't find my car keys. I prayed to FSM. 30 minutes later I FOUND MY KEYS. Surely this is evidence that his noodley appendage located my keys.
"Science has provided the very evidence that Darwin claimed would prove his theory invalid if ever discovered." Nonsense. Observations over the last 150 years after Darwin have only served to corroborate with his theory and prove that evolution is happening. Also for the second time, nothing "winked" itself into existence by itself, it is the natural fusion under extreme pressure of sub atomical particles into heavier elements from the nuclear reactions in the cores of large stars, long ago.
@SukiCarton No. There is a documentary of Stephen Hawking somewhere on youtube that addresses the singularity at the start of the big bang, better for you to watch, it's too much for a 500 character post :)
@Griffin9857 What pressure? What sub atomic particles? What stars? Where did they come from? Either they came from somewhere or have always existed, which one?
@Moving2U Your ignorance is amazing, you need to read up some more on cosmology. Stephen Hawking and Carl Sagan would be a start, I am not going to explain this in a 500 character post.
@Griffin9857 Intelligent design can be proved and evolution disproved by the scientific studies of:
Genetics - DNA - Nature can produce patterns not information, Irreducible complexity of living systems.
Physics - Evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics, Origin of the universe from nothing, Einsteins theory of general reletivity, Lamathra's model of expansion.
Darwinistic evolution - natural limits to biological change, zero observable or past discovered examples of species change.
@Moving2U Genetics - you know nothing about evolution, it has been proven in previos posts.
Physics - Untrue, refer to quantum theory and how protons behave.
Biology - ABSOLUTELY untrue, scientists have observed genetic drift in several species of insect, example: Mosquito's. The very fact that humans have a wide range of phenotypes also shows genetic drift. This explains why an Asian man looks different to an African man.
@Griffin9857 Continued: The fossil record (literally billions of examples) fail to show one example of a transitional form, but rather shows a sudden, inexplicable appearance of a wide variety of both simple and complex life-forms.
All naturalist theories have failed to explain life from non-life, and Darwinism has failed to prove evolution of life once it is present.
@Moving2U Untrue again, Archaeopteryx was a dinosaur with wings, about the size of a modern day chicken, had teeth, claws on it's wings and could likely glide. This clearly shows a transition from dinosaur to bird as birds and dinosaurs have very similar skeletal designs, especially in their pelvic bones.
@Griffin9857 "Archaeopteryx " interesting that you would pick that one. It's on the list of proven errors/hoaxes. Your wisdom will drown you. Where did the dirt come from that (primorial ooze pond) spawned your great great great great grand/chimp/parents?
We have the same evidense but interpret it differently.
You avoided this intentionally, "How did life come from non life" and, "How did something come into existance from nothing?
@Moving2U You want me to explain monomers and polymers in a youtube post? including replicating RNA etc? We have already established that you are incapable of rational thinking, know nothing about science, and believe that Archaeopteryx is a hoax based on genesis. It was a bird with vestigial reptilian traits. It was Archaeoraptor that was the hoax. Modern birds still have scaly legs, and remnants of claws hidden away, and no teeth. They descended from dinosaurs.
@Griffin9857 You truly do not know what you are saying, you believe the hype that they want you to believe hook line and sinker. Look around you in your yard, the universe, a baby... I see intelligent design fearfully and wonderfully and geniously crafted, You see a big cosmic accident. You have and serve no purpose by your own beliefs, you don't even matter one bit. Luckily you are wrong and you do matter and you do serve a purpose, to glorify God.
@Moving2U The contents of the universe existing like it is, is no "cosmic accident" WE are the wonderful accident. I don't prescribe to hype. You are right, that in the grander scheme of things none of us matter one bit. This universe owes us nothing. The notion that I exist to glorify god is laughable at best, and naive at worst.
@Griffin9857 "WE are the wonderful accident" Ok so you have established that you have much more faith than I.
"The contents of the universe existing like it is, is no "cosmic accident" So where did the contents of the universe come from? Always been here? Or spontanious self exsistance? Or string theory? (which equates to a more complex "always been here". Are you familiar with the laws of thermodynamics? Entropy? (They kill us being an accident in itself but why bother applying it there).
@Moving2U : Prove that mankinds` purpose is to glorify a deity, WHICH ONE ? Christ, Buddha,Quetzalcoatl or Tezcatlipoca ?? A human makes his own purpose in life. This wonderful design is skindeep. Look beneath the service and you find the work of a lousy amateur-creator.
A theory in the modern sense is like this: Gravity is a fact, the theory of gravity is how we believe it works based on observable evidence that has been documented and tested.
@Emlis16 Have you read the 7 daughters of eve? it traces the migration of mitochondrial DNA from africa through europe. Nice little addition to evolution I think.
@Griffin9857 " Have you read the 7 daughters of eve?" Related, have you seen the study of DNA that confirms what the Bible states? That All people on earth's DNA can be traced back to one common mother of all? Thousands of years before science can test and prove this, God through His word states this fact. It takes me less faith to believe that God created man from the dust of the earth than it does for you to believe that the dust and man both magicall popped into existence without direction.
@Moving2U The bible is unreliable. There is no empirical proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed. These "mothers" written in the 7 daughters of eve each lived in different times, with on some occasions more than 20,000 years apart. Furthermore all matter heavier than hydrogen came from the nuclear fusion reactions in giant stars billions of years ago. Your admission of faith shows you believe without evidence, while I believe based on observable evidence.
@Griffin9857 You can't site one shred of valid evidence that the Bible is unreliable or that Jesus never existed. There are four non Christian sources that I could site that state Jesus was a real man who lived and that unexplainable miraculous deeds were credited to Him . Even in Jewish writings they claim Jesus was real, though they thought him to be a mad liar not the Christ. Sling your mud, but know what you're even talking about before you do. You are scared of God being real.
@Moving2U The bible is unreliable as it is full of inconsistencies, contradictions, incorrect scientific information and dangerous precepts such as demon possession. Jesus may have been a person, but to perform miracles would break the laws of chemistry and physics and as such they wouldn't be laws. Why would god concentrate so much on ancient times, and not today? Answer: because we know the science behind the things they didn't then, they aren't miracles anymore.
@Griffin9857 You can't site one shred of valid evidence that the Bible is unreliable or that Jesus never existed. There are four non Christian sources that I could site that state Jesus was a real man who lived and that unexplainable miraculous deeds were credited to Him . Even in Jewish writings they claim Jesus was real, though they thought him to be a mad liar not the Christ. Sling your mud, but know what you're even talking about before you do. You are scared of God being real.
@Moving2U "It takes me less faith to believe that God created man from the dust of the earth than it does for you to believe that the dust and man both magicall popped into existence without direction." This shows to me that you understand very little about evolution at all. No evolutionary scientist would make a statement like that, because it is blatantly contradictory to empirical evidence.
@Griffin9857 Boy are you going to be suprised one day. BTW evolution merely makes vein attempts at explaining progress once you have life. Science has provided the very evidence that Darwin claimed would prove his theory invalid if ever discovered.
You have more faith than Christians who believe in God to believe that the dust you evolved from magically and spontaniously winked into existance all by itself. God will explain it to you Himself so don't worry you will understand and agree 1 day.
Wow, this guys arguments are so weak and ignorant, he is just pulling anything out of the air to justify what he wants to believe.Sounds like most Christians. Who the hell is this guy, BTW??
@yoodda - I do not need to know him, all I have to do is listen to his arguments. Sorry to say, but they are weak. He can believe whatever he wants, I have no issue with that, but it does not make him correct.
People hate God. there is no arguement that can convince anyone to believe,but I wish there was. I hated God for years,said Christians were mentaly ill,the Bible was made up and then one day-God saved me,the faith I once hated I now believe and cherish with all my heart. There is no such thing as an atheist,everyone believes in God whether they would admit it or not.
God is a myth. Jesus probably did exist as a person, but he was just an ordinary man who wasn't even considered worthy of note by any writer during his lifetime.
The bible is just a collection of invented stories, myths and legends without even any historical accuracy, let alone miraculous events..
@MrOsbornea If your faith is so weak that my words can ruin it, then I think you should be examining what it is that you believe.
As for my reasons? Richard Dawkins put it better than I could:
"Many of us saw religion as harmless nonsense. Beliefs might lack all supporting evidence but, we thought, if people needed a crutch for consolation, where's the harm? September 11th changed all that."
@Darwinsman Actually, if you'd read the bible you would realize that it is historically correct. I've seen many places. I had learned about Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonians in history class and it's also in the bible. So don't even say that. And Jesus was recorded in history as a man who "caused miracles". There is a lot of historical proof. Now, tell me, how much proof is there of the big bang theory? or even half of science?
@LetHimInspireYou 1) I do not deny that there some historical places and known events, have been verified by eye witness writers and archaeological evidence which have been proved to be true. some places still exist today.
However, nearly all the cornerstone, religious events, such as the Genesis, Noah's Flood, The Exodus, The Nativity, etc., have no evidence for them other than the bible and nothing can be used to prove itself. They are just myths and legends. Cont'd.
@LetHimInspireYou 2) Quote: “Now, tell me, how much proof is there of the big bang theory? or even half of science?”
All of science is based on proof. It is not accepted unless it has gone through the rigorous gauntlet of peer review and in the competitive world of science, there are always other scientists who are only too willing to pull someone else’s theory apart. All the attempts at fraud in science have all been exposed by fellow scientists. Cont’d.
@LetHimInspireYou 3) As for proof of the Big Bang. Scientists have already traced the universe back to a few picoseconds after the Big Bang.
I suggest you look at today’s news regarding the research in Cern and the possibility of having found the Higgs Boson Particle.
Scientists may not yet know the precise origin of the universe, but they are very close to it and it isn’t god. When they do, what rationalisation will you come up with then?
@Darwinsman Most of science is theories. Trust me, i'm still learning it. I read the word theory more in my science book than anywhere. Just because I'm a strong Christian doesn't mean I don't believe in science either.. The big bang theory could have easily happened, I just think if it did, it was God. Not just random. Lol. In Genesis it says, "then God created the Earth." Big bang theory? Maybe.
@LetHimInspireYou 2/2. This is why we have the Theory of electricity. Nuclear theory, the theory of Gravity, etc., as well as the theory of evolution. Yet you wouldn't say, for example, that gravity doesn't exist, because it’s only a theory, would you?
In fact, the theory of evolution has more verified and tested proof in it's favour than any other branch of science and has never been successfully challenged in over 150 yrs.
@JendayiFaith To NOT accuse god of murder is ludicrous. Who drowned the whole of humanity in the great flood ? READ your bible:. He ordered many people killed. >>Deuteronomy 17:12.Exodus 22:18.Leviticus 20:13.Leviticus20:27. Exodus 21:15. Proverbs 20:20. Leviticus 20-9 Leviticus 20:10 Leviticus 21:9. Deuteronomy 13:13,19 Exodus 22:19 Deuteronomy 13:1,5.Romans 1:24,32. Exodus 31:12,15. Romans 1:24,32. Leviticus 24:10,16 Deuteronomy 22:20,21.
@ndzoko You are making a gigantic assumption here. You are saying that God has done what Jen said "intentional killing of persons which have committed no capital offense". Rom 6:23 Sin = Death. Multiple times those who are wiped out are called sinful and unrighteous. What is ludicrous is the assumption that those multitudes were righteous before God and undeserving of death.
@KrashOmnis Man, read something about JUSTICE; Yes, read the verses I quoted . God had all those people killed for petty transgressions, or even actions witch are no sin at all. What is astounding is that intelligent people don`t see the TOTAL DIVINE INJUSTICE. Would anybody think today of murdering a fortuneteller, a blasphemer, somebody working on the sabbath ? Sin=death ,is theological buls..... A concept that was necessary to justify a need for salvation.
@DJTinsletooth He can take us off the earth when he wants.>> So how does he take people from this earth ? Read the following verses, that`s how he murders people. Deuteronomy 17:12.Exodus 22:18.Leviticus 20:13.Leviticus20:27. Exodus 21:15. Proverbs 20:20. Leviticus 20-9 Leviticus 20:10 Leviticus 21:9. Deuteronomy 13:13,19 Exodus 22:19 Deuteronomy 13:1,5.Romans 1:24,32. Exodus 31:12,15. Romans 1:24,32. Leviticus 24:10,16 Deuteronomy 22:20,21
@JendayiFaith Tell me, Why YOUR OWN christian colleges don`t teach biblical creation ? I tell you why, because creation is infantilism. Creationism interprets what FACTS, You need EVIDENCE to talk about facts. Is there a better argument against creation, then the refucal of YOUR OWN colleges to teach it ? Every religion, every tribe , every race has a different creation story. Show me YOUR facts for YOUR creation. And why is YOUR creation story right and all the other crration stories wrong
i find this pointless to comment and attack, the people who are looking up these videos are trying to figure themselves out, just let them. there is no point in arguing if you're not even trying to be bias, and just attacking a person is hurting your own cause. anyone who feels attacked by you is automatically gonna go the other way. let them figure this out on their own its their life not yours. get over yourselves
@JendayiFaith Bulls..... There is no evidence of any creation. Creation is so dumb, so infantile, that from the 106 colleges which form the " Christian Coalition of Colleges " only 5 teach litteral biblical creation. Why ? Because creation is BULLS...
@JendayiFaith not the God of the Bible I'm sure;;Witches, kill them. Homosexuals, kill them.fortunetellers, kill them. those who don`t listen to priests, kill them. those hitting their dad, kill them. those who curse their parents, kill them, adulterers, kill them. fornicators, kill them. people who believe in other religions, kill them. non-believers,kill them. fals prohets ,kill them. blasphemers, kill them. those who work on the Sabbath, kill them. This is the word of god !!
@JendayiFaith -You rewrd people basd on belief over actual deeds other words (Serial killer repents on his deathbed goes to heaven ..while the kind hindu would living according to a moral code goes to hell that not justice)Torturing people forever because they were unable to believe something because there were imperfect being to begin with is cruelty and sadistic.Arbitary he makes the rules he needs blood because he wants blood because he's sadistic and blood thrst he can do anything pt 1
@JendayiFaith- Are you being burned in a lake of fire for your sins? Yes, I know satan sinned according to biblical theology I said IF he didn't and Mankind still sinned would he create Hell for them?
@JendayiFaith -Everyone deserves to be punished BUT there a LOOPHOLE you see if you believe this you wont be punished EVEN THOUGH you deserve to be punished which is showing he is unjust. A sadistic unjust, cruel, arbitrary, self contradictory God. Creates people sick and forces them to get well and when they don't tortures them forever knowing before the creation of the universe most of his creation will not be able to live up to such standard spends an eternity torturing people.
@JendayiFaith-So if satan never sinned but human did he wouldn't have created hell? That is nonsense.Of course he created for humans thats why humans go there God being supposedly all knowingly before the creation of the universe knew humans would sin thus it would also have to be created for humans as well. God said he was going to torture people forever no human said they wanted to be tortured. That's the part where I say he is sadistic. That's why he needs blood.
@JendayiFaith-Yes, it is a loophole criminals need to be punished EXCEPT those who believe in Jesus then they don't need to be punished it's called a LOOPHOLE. It would be the equivalent of saying everyone who wear red must die EXCEPT those to say I'm the best. Right, he doesn't need us and when we don't say he the best then he tortures us forever but he loves us. I understand.
@JendayiFaith Yes, you're right I didn't sacrifice myself to MYSELF as a loophole in the rules I created because I cannot just forgive sins I need blood because I am a sadistic God who lives on something he created.
@JendayiFaith-"I think what your trying to ask is can God do anything He wants?" So why doesn't he forgive everyone without a need of a human sacrifice? Who is he trying to convince HIMSELF? Premise 1-Perfection cannot create imperfection P2-The earth was perfect Conclusion-Perfect creatures which he created failed. Invalid argument. I am thinking he is sadistic and blood thirsty that's why he needs blood and wants to torture people forever that the only conclusion I can come up with. pt 1
@JendayiFaith -God is unable to simply forgive people of their sins...what type of God needs blood and has an obsession with foreskins is he a sadist? What is so special about blood that someone who is guilty somehow becomes not guilty anymore? Is he a sadistic God who needs blood? This tells me this God is insane because he needs blood to convince HIMSELF to forgive people otherwise he cannot even though HE'S MAKING THE RULES. pt1
@JendayiFaith -How does blood make someone who is guilty not guilty anymore? God cannot just forgive people he needs blood what is his obsession with blood and foreskins? Is he a sadist or something? I can forgive someone without blood am I greater than God? I cannot forgive sin unless I have blood..Is he sadistic or something?
@JendayiFaith -Yes, you did contradict yourself u said he wasn't human then you said he was. Jesus did not inherit the sin nature but we did because God is fair blaming us for Adam's mistake. "For in the beginning he created everything perfect..."Can a perfect being create something not perfect? if you say yes. Then the imperfection shows that being cannot be perfect because perfect beings create perfect beings right? Your going to say freewill but God God have freewill? And he CANNOT sin. pt 1
@JendayiFaith -"Jesus was not human" Jesus wasn't human? alright. "Jesus is fully God and fully man." So he is human? You just contradicted yourself. "he already had everything planned from the beginning." So he already planned for everyone to be sinner so he could torture them forever. Why was the only way for God to save us is sending Jesus if he's making the rules he could make any provision which makes the whole thing seem ridiculous. pt1
@JendayiFaith-[Here's the game] - Make everyone sinners and everyone who doesn't accept Jesus let them be tortured forever but here is a LOOPHOLE if they accept my HUMAN SACRIFICE they won't actually have to recieve justice...For God so loved the world that he sacrificed himself to HIMSELF to convince HIMSELF to not punish sinners and punish someone innocent which is actually HIMSELF who he calls his Son, because he doesn't want to just forgive people he need them to BELIEVE to save them. Genius
@JendayiFaith -So instead of punishing the criminals themselves which is actual "justice" you punish an innocent person who never committed the crime. Genius! But it doesn't end there your debt is paid NO your salvation is dependent upon believing in the arrangement itself...Amazing.Save ourselves from what? Right , the God who loves us and is actually making the game so your basically in this condition and you need to BELIEVE it or else your tortured forever. pt1...
Reasoning.24sec?(....) God comes to earth sacrifices himself to HIMSELF in order to find the ability to get HIMSELF to forgive people of their sins. Uses a immoral system of "scapegoating" which person A is punished instead of the person X and REQUIRES DEMANDS people believe it in order to be forgiven. When no reasonable system of justice of earth works in such a twisted manner. This person paid your debts but you still need to BELIEVE it in order to be debt free utter nonsense.
@conraddoavil-Do I see the money first then reject it? or do I just think your lying then reject it? I don't see how your comment is relevant to the comments I made. Do you hunt me down tie me up set me on fire and torture me over and over again cause I reject your offer?
@MrEmeraldfusion no, i don't do any of that, but it's the same thing, someone's giving you an amazing gift and you say no, is like rejecting the crucifixion
@conraddoavil -A gift no one sees but have to believe exists because you say so? And when they don't threaten with torture forever sounds fair. A gift with conditions(*Condition 1.) If you dont accept my gift I am going to torture you forever.)It completely your choose do you want it or not?
@MrEmeraldfusion we are talking about eternity. If God doesn't punish all the evil you've done in you're life with the perfect sacrifice which is Jesus Christ, you will burn in hell for eternity, because that wouldn't be just. Hebrews talks about why God needs to use sacrifices. read it when you get a chance. Forget about the anology i tried using earlier it was really bad.
@conraddoavil -Why does God need to punish somebody reportedly innocent instead the criminals themselves is that just? why does he have to use a system of "scapegoating"? If God is making the rules why does he have to burn anyone it;'s all his preference.
@MrEmeraldfusion God doesn't have to do anything. He doesn't owe anyone on earth anything. we're all sinners and we all fall short of the glory of God on our own righteousness. That's why Jesus was the perfect sacrifice. He conquered sin and death, and no one can enter the kingdom of heaven on his own power. Trying to entirely understand God is like grass trying to understand the anatomy of a human. It ain't gonna happen
@conraddoavil-"God doesn't have to do anything." If God doesn't have to do anything why does he HAVE to torture people forever? Is it because he wants to?
@MrEmeraldfusion that right there is God's love. We all deserve the punishment that Jesus took upon himself, and you can either take it or leave it. If I killed my kid so everyone could have eternal life and they rejected it i'd send em to hell also
@conraddoavil -I asked you a question is that just to punish someone reportedly innocent instead of the criminals themselves? What type of justice is that? If your making the rules why would you need to kill anyone? Who is he trying to convince HIMSELF? It's ridiculous.
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If you take for granted the existence of God and follow a religion related to it, you are forever thinking inside a box the size of an atom.
I, on the other hand, think inside a box, more the size of a solar system. Understand the nature of reality and the cosmos first, before you chain yourself to a religion. When you start to understand it, religions become meaningless.
aboyborninjune 3 days ago
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If you take for granted the existence of God and follow a religion related to it, you are forever thinking inside a box the size of an atom.
I, on the other hand, think inside a box, more the size of a solar system. Understand the nature of reality and the cosmos first, before you chain yourself to a religion. When you start to understand it, religions become meaningless.
aboyborninjune 3 days ago
If you take for granted the existence of God and follow a religion related to it, you are forever thinking inside a box the size of an atom.
I, on the other hand, think inside a box, more the size of a solar system. Understand the nature of reality and the cosmos first, before you chain yourself to a religion. When you start to understand it, religions become meaningless.
aboyborninjune 3 days ago
@aboyborninjune hmmm i disagree. One can be Christian and seek the understandings of reality and the cosmos. I love to learn about things like that. As a matter of fact, the brilliance of God is illustrated in these things.
meer8 10 hours ago
@meer8 Yes, but you really need to stretch the interpretations of the Bible to ridiculousness to make them seem compatible with the cosmos. Nothing that is written in a book can contain the secrets of billions of light-years. If the universe could laugh, I think it would laugh at our whole tiny existence, including the even tinier construct of religion.
And since the undefinable "God" is supposed to be beyond time and space - how to tell the difference between "God" and something non-existent?
aboyborninjune 8 hours ago
A bronze age book does not contain the secrets of the universe, and Jesus does not stand a chance against billions of lightyears.
aboyborninjune 3 days ago
what a fucktard
awesomedude69ftw 4 days ago
@awesomedude69ftw what a limited vocabulary you have. Could you pleases define that adjective you used?
n8ssavedbygrace 4 days ago
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awhitesoul2012 6 days ago
A good rule of thumb for both sides, there is a 99.99999999% that the person you arguing with in YouTube comments will not change what they think. It comes down to underlying philosophies that people are not willing to change. My main point is people are not swayed by the facts.
featherpants232 1 week ago
@featherpants232 Totally agree with you. Because I could provide so much evidence about the Bible being accurate and true, but none of that amounts to anything. Unless, the Holy Spirit convinces their soul.
raiderking22 1 week ago
His third point, about determining the credibility of witness testimony in the Bible is not to be taken seriously. The same standards apply to miracles in other world religions.
Pythagoras211 2 weeks ago
Might sound silly but I just know that it is true. It might be something that God puts in our hearts but He is real for me. Real and absolute. He is also a God who loves us. :)
BritneyAddicted4EVA 3 weeks ago
@BritneyAddicted4EVA It might sound silly, but Muslims just know that Islam is true. They say it's something Allah put in their hearts; he is real for them. Real and absolute. He is also a God who loves them.
Everything you just said can and does apply to every single religion on the face of this Earth. So, as the video asked; why the fuck do you think CHRISTIANITY is true?
SeedsOfHatred 2 weeks ago
@SeedsOfHatred Because I know it. It takes a supernatural work of God in your heart to even know that without Him you are lost. That God is Jesus. He said that whoever loves Him loves the Father also. I can't give you what God gave to me. My heart and my faith works only for me. You have to experience the "new birth" for yourself. You can't meet Jesus and stay the same.
BritneyAddicted4EVA 2 weeks ago
@BritneyAddicted4EVA "Because I know it" is not even close to being a valid reason to believe something. And in any case, as I just said, followers of every religion on Earth claim to "know" that their God is the true God. Every single one of them.
Now, they can't ALL be right, because they all claim that all of the other religions are false. So, there must be a concrete reason for any rational person to believe that their religion is THE religion.
"I just know" is not a concrete reason.
SeedsOfHatred 2 weeks ago
@BritneyAddicted4EVA It is also worth noting that you just blatantly contradicted yourself when you said that "That God is Jesus". Immediately after that, you claimed that "whomever loves Him loves the Father also".
I realize the Bible is foreign to most "Christians", but there are several times in which Jesus himself refers to God as a seperate being. He even prays to "his father" on occasion. For this reason, Jesus is not God. He is a seperate entity.
SeedsOfHatred 2 weeks ago
@SeedsOfHatred I did not contradict myself and you tell the truth. Jesus, however, IS God. He is the second member of the Trinity. There are three persons but one God. This is a basic teaching of Christianity. You can't go deeper than Romans 11:33 here. Nobody has ever fully understood God and if we did it would be a proof that Christianity is a human idea. It is not. Jesus is the Lord.
BritneyAddicted4EVA 2 weeks ago
@BritneyAddicted4EVA Then to whom did Jesus pray before being killed? Himself?
"This is a basic teaching of Christianity" - Another basic teaching is that every living thing on Earth was created "according to it's own kind" as we see them today. We now know THAT to be false as well.
We also know that Christianity is not only a human idea, but an idea that takes it's basic plot points and characters from much earlier mythologies. That is also a fact.
So again...why do you believe, exactly?
SeedsOfHatred 2 weeks ago
@SeedsOfHatred Jesus prayed to the Father. The concept of Him not needing to pray is awful. Prayer is a fellowship with the Lord. It is not just asking things from Him. All members of the Trinity are in perfect fellowship all the time. Your concept of prayer contradicts this. Prayer is a gift of God to us, carriers of His image. The only being able to pray.
Why do I believe? I can't find a reason in me. I was a full time idolater before I got saved.
Jesus is why.
BritneyAddicted4EVA 2 weeks ago
@BritneyAddicted4EVA If you don't have a reason to believe, then you are a moron. You might as well believe in unicorns and gnomes while you're at it, because there is no valid reason to believe in them either.
MY concept of prayer contradicts what you're saying? You're saying that Jesus prayed to "the Father", to "the Lord", when earlier you said that Jesus IS the Lord. I'M contradicting myself? REALLY?
SeedsOfHatred 2 weeks ago
@SeedsOfHatred That is not what I said at all. Your concept of prayer is not the concept of prayer that the Bible talks about. Christianity is about heart. That's the bottom of the issue.
Read some commentaries, maybe they can help you. Ask the pastor at some church in your town. By your speech I see that you have no idea of what the Holy Trinity is. I'd go as far to say that without understanding that you will never have full joy in prayer. If you pray at all.
BritneyAddicted4EVA 2 weeks ago
@BritneyAddicted4EVA You're describing prayer to me. That's not the answer to the question I'm asking. I'm asking who Jesus prayed TO. I don't care how he prayed or why he prayed, I'm asking who that prayer was directed to if he himself is God.
The only option at this point is for you to come out and admit that you believe Jesus prayed to himself. Not to the "Father" (a predecessor) or a seperate "Lord", but to himself.
Or you can keep evading the question.
SeedsOfHatred 2 weeks ago
@SeedsOfHatred If you want me to reply by your rules then you will never get an answer.
Look, I don't want to argue. I had a long day and I can't help you anymore. You know very well to whom Jesus prayer. He prayed to the Father.
BritneyAddicted4EVA 2 weeks ago
@BritneyAddicted4EVA If he prayed to the "Father", then this implies that Jesus and said "Father" are seperate entities.
This completely undermines the (skewed) concept of the Trinity.
SeedsOfHatred 2 weeks ago
@SeedsOfHatred Whaat...? No, it actually implies it. If Jesus and the Father were one person then there would be no Trinity. Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. 3 persons but one God.
BritneyAddicted4EVA 2 weeks ago
@BritneyAddicted4EVA Let me lay this out for you...
Father: God, the "Big Hoss", the ring-leader, the alpha dog.
Son: God's son, the second in command, the "firstborn of all creation".
Holy Spirit: God's essence, his holy being, his love, his wrath, his mercy, his vengence, his very presence.
Unless we want to believe that Jesus prayed to himself, created himself, and sacrificed himself to himself to attone for sins that he created.
SeedsOfHatred 2 weeks ago
@SeedsOfHatred You absolutely miss the nature of the Holy Trinity.
Let me take you to a human level. 3 guys are bosses in the company. One is financial manager, one manages the marketing department and another one manages production. They are all managers and by sharing reports and control results they don't share it with themselves. Jesus is God. The verse that might help you is Matthew 22:41-44. It will keep you busy for a while. :)
BritneyAddicted4EVA 2 weeks ago
@BritneyAddicted4EVA Do you hear yourself?
"There are 3 guys. Thus, there is one guy."
????????????
SeedsOfHatred 2 weeks ago
@SeedsOfHatred No... There is one God and three persons. Management analogy was just trying to picture that there is 3 persons but one system. In Biblical sense 3 Persons but one God. The Bible explicitly says that the depths of the knowledge of God are unsearchable. We can't claim to understand all. It will take us forever in heaven to get to know God more and more. :)
Keep this in mind: three persons and one God. Go from there, not from an assumption that it is not true.
BritneyAddicted4EVA 2 weeks ago
@BritneyAddicted4EVA *Sigh* I give up with you people. I'd be better off arguing over which fictional Star Wars character shot first.
SeedsOfHatred 2 weeks ago
@SeedsOfHatred Your choice. :)
I still suggest talking to a pastor in your Church if you go to one or just seeking one to explain you the Holy Trinity. If it makes you feel better forget anything I said about it and try to find a better guidance.
BritneyAddicted4EVA 2 weeks ago
@BritneyAddicted4EVA I'm not looking for guidance, I'm an atheist. I'm simply questioning the validity of these unecessarily complicated and nonsensical claims.
But as I said, I might as well be arguing over the actions of Star Wars characters. It doesn't matter who shot first - Han or Greedo - it's a made-up fucking movie.
SeedsOfHatred 2 weeks ago
@SeedsOfHatred I'm sorry you see it that way. Without God acting on you first and giving you a new heart your position on the Bible will not change.
BritneyAddicted4EVA 2 weeks ago
@BritneyAddicted4EVA Well, you see, I was a Christian for the first 20 years of my life. I fully believed in the Bible and what it had to say.
Then I began to notice that as I got older, the Bible made less and less sense. Just as a child begins to learn that the Santa Clause concept makes less and less sense.
Unfortunately, some people simply never grow out of this infantile state of mind. Thus, for them, these myths make sense. Even if they themselves can't explain why.
SeedsOfHatred 2 weeks ago
@SeedsOfHatred You were never a Christian in the first place. I have to be this straight forward; you were not. Jesus said that those whom the Father calls come to Him. We don't come to God because we want it. Christianity is in this regard unique. Human religion will tell you "do better, try harder and maybe your will decides to be a Christian next morning so good luck". That is not Christianity. It has nothing to do with it. There's still hope for you tho.
Bye.
BritneyAddicted4EVA 2 weeks ago 2
@BritneyAddicted4EVA You see, I KNEW this was what you were going to say. Every arrogant-minded Christian does. They assume to tell me what my status of Christianity was based on the fact that I no longer adhere to it.
Not very humble of you. Even rather assuming.
"Christianity is in this regard unique"
No, everything that you think and feel about your religion is felt by others about THEIR religion. As I've already stated.
SeedsOfHatred 2 weeks ago
@SeedsOfHatred God has the power to harden and soften hearts.....
xmericalx 1 week ago
@xmericalx That sounds like a very respectable attribute. Though I can't help but wonder why he would want to "harden" a heart.
Now, having said that, we've just got to prove (or at least provide legitimate evidence for) his existence and we'll be good to go.
SeedsOfHatred 1 week ago
@SeedsOfHatred With your stance, you are already in judgment of God. I don't need to prove anything to anyone, I just need to tell the one that is concerned about hell to repent and believe, that is your only responsibility. I can't convince you because you are determined to not believe. God hardens hearts and softens hearts all for His own glory. Because He is God, He is God, therefore, does as He pleases....amazing.......:)
n8ssavedbygrace 4 days ago
@n8ssavedbygrace "...all for his own glory"
So he's a self-indulgent twat, then? Yeah, that's a guy you wanna work for...
"you are determined to not believe"
I am determined to believe in TRUTH. I seek that truth through evidence and reason. Around the time of my 20th birthday, I realized I saw no actual evidence for God, and thus had no logical reason to believe in him.
Rest assured, if such evidence were to present itself, I would be more than happy to aknowledge it. So far: no such luck.
SeedsOfHatred 3 days ago
I have a question. Where was jesus between the age of 12 and 30?
IzChua77 3 weeks ago
@IzChua77 BEER RUN!!!!!
But don't tell his dad.
SeedsOfHatred 2 weeks ago
@brain55able 1Well, you're right, some brilliant people were believers. Let's take the field of inventors, name any of them who was a christian. Let's say for the sake of the example that the guy who invented the steam-machine was a christian. The process required to invent it was reason. Not at any moment that guy stood, prayed and suddenly it worked. To make it, he had to leave faith aside and only use his reason (more in the next comment)
maximemeis111 4 weeks ago
1Well, you're right, some brilliant people were believers. Let's take the field of inventors, name any of them who was a christian. Let's say for the sake of the example that the guy who invented the steam-machine was a christian. The process required to invent it was reason. Not at any moment that guy stood, prayed and suddenly it worked. To make it, he had to leave faith aside and only use his reason (more in the next comment)
maximemeis111 4 weeks ago
2Remember what is reason: starting with the senses, using logic to come to conclusions. Remember what is faith: god gives the conclusions. No, by definition you can't have both. When a christian is using reason, he is not in a process of faith. Christians come from one to another all the time as life without reason is impossible. Let me show you now a metaphor of what I said.
maximemeis111 4 weeks ago
3A entreprenueur decides to build a building on a swamp. He has faith and prays god that the foundation can hold the building. Than he uses his reason to build the building (being sure that the foundation will hold because he has faith it will). 100% chances the building collapses. He used reason but a single step away from it invalidated his reasoning. Reason is an all or nothing.
maximemeis111 4 weeks ago
There is no reason to believe. Reason and faith are opposit. Reason starts with the evidence of the senses and using logic to arrive at a conclusion (and you don't have to pre-suppose a God for that as he says and doen't explain why). Faith is you can throw away the senses, the evidence, the logic and you get it directly from God. Faith is the sin of rejecting reality, not a sin against God but against reality.
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brain55able 4 weeks ago
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@maximemeis111 I disagree. Having faith doesn't mean you are stupid. Some of history's most brilliant people have professed faith in God. You can still have faith in God and be a reasonable person. As one may be foolish and believe in God or be very intelligent and disbelieve in God. One's own reasoning ability can't discount the existence of God on any level. In other words, one can't assume that their reasoning power is able to disprove that God doesn't exist.
brain55able 4 weeks ago
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Piper's reasons for belief are highly subjective. The claim that the Bible is "self authenticating" is made by Muslims about the Qu'ran as well and most every other religion with a holy book.
wlemusic 1 month ago
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GOD CAN SUUUCK MY DICK... LOL WELL WE ALL KNOW THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN BECAUSE ITS NOT REAL... WTF IS THIS GUY TAAALLLKING ABOUT YOU GUYS NEVER GIVE A REASONABLE ANSWER TO HOW YOU KNOW YOUR GOD EXIST.... ALWAYS RANT ABOUT SOME BULLSHIT WHICH NEVER MAKES SENSE BASICALLY GIVING GOD CREDIT FOR EVERYTHING... FUCK YOU TO THE PEOPLE OF THE PAST WHO MADE UP THE WHOLE GOD THING. YOU DID YOUR JOB. BRAVO. YOU'VE SUCCESSFULLY CONTROLLED THE MINDS THESE GULLIBLE BEINGS. SO MUCH FOR SEEING IS BELIEVING
TyeDye07 1 month ago
You who obviously don't believe in God or His creation; You are the model of a troll. Why else would you even bother clicking on a link to a video titled "John Piper - Why do you think Christianity is true?" For no other reson than to spread your hatred. If you never seek for God you won't find Him. If you never find God you will perish in your sins for all of eternity. God loves you and has provided a way to avoid that but your pride and arogance must be replaced with humility and repentance.
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U You know what's ironic, it was the bible itself that led me to atheism. I was a believer for 10 years.
Griffin9857 1 month ago
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@Griffin9857 "You know what's ironic, it was the bible itself that led me to atheism."
Then you never understood it, and before you go flexing your ego and throwing more insults, myself and many other educated people find the Bible and Christ as a sane and rational belief. You obviously did not seek hard enough to be found. With the same word he will confound the wise and give wisdom to the humble. <-- Interesting and key word for God to come to you and truly remove all doubt personally.
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U I can assure you that I understood every word of it. Nothing I said was an insult, I simply pointed out your glaring ignorance for everything scientific. As a young believer I can also assure you that I did everything I could to find Jesus. Problem is, he simply wasn't there to be found. There is no doubt in my mind that he isn't there, never was, and never will be.
Griffin9857 1 month ago
@Moving2U
You who obviously don't believe in Flying Spaghetti Monster or His creation; You are the model of a troll.
McCruelAddictTheBest 1 month ago
@McCruelAddictTheBest LOL who says I don't believe in Flying Spaghetti Monster? Isn't he a Dr Suess classic? Or does he show up on Barney I forget which.
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U
FSM is our deity and creator of the Universe. Please respect our religion.
McCruelAddictTheBest 1 month ago
@McCruelAddictTheBest I can respect you and your descisions and your rights to your opinions, but how can I possibly respect your false spagetti god?
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U
Respect my TRUE god in the same way, as I as a pastafarian respect your FALSE Christian god.
McCruelAddictTheBest 1 month ago
@McCruelAddictTheBest Go smoke your linguinni and get a starch high, I'll leave you alone in your giggling stupor.
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U
Prove me that I am wrong. You cannot disprove the greatness of FSM, so it must be true.
McCruelAddictTheBest 1 month ago
@McCruelAddictTheBest
Don't mock God, it won't look good on your resume.
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U
Don't mock FSM, it won't look good on your resume.
McCruelAddictTheBest 1 month ago
@McCruelAddictTheBest What evidence do you have for FSM?
oscarmarin1995 1 month ago
@oscarmarin1995
Just this morning I couldn't find my car keys. I prayed to FSM. 30 minutes later I FOUND MY KEYS. Surely this is evidence that his noodley appendage located my keys.
McCruelAddictTheBest 1 month ago
@McCruelAddictTheBest How do I know you're not lying? And is that the only evidence?
oscarmarin1995 1 month ago
@oscarmarin1995
I don't need evidence to believe!!!
Having said that look around you,there are pasta and meatballs everywhere.
Isn't this enough?
McCruelAddictTheBest 1 month ago
@McCruelAddictTheBest Haha. I don't see meatballs or pasta lol. No it's not enough
oscarmarin1995 1 month ago
@oscarmarin1995
I LOVE pasta, that is PROOF!
McCruelAddictTheBest 1 month ago
"Science has provided the very evidence that Darwin claimed would prove his theory invalid if ever discovered." Nonsense. Observations over the last 150 years after Darwin have only served to corroborate with his theory and prove that evolution is happening. Also for the second time, nothing "winked" itself into existence by itself, it is the natural fusion under extreme pressure of sub atomical particles into heavier elements from the nuclear reactions in the cores of large stars, long ago.
Griffin9857 1 month ago
@Griffin9857 so u think all matter has essentially always existed but in a different form? Just curious :)
SukiCarton 1 month ago
@SukiCarton No. There is a documentary of Stephen Hawking somewhere on youtube that addresses the singularity at the start of the big bang, better for you to watch, it's too much for a 500 character post :)
Griffin9857 1 month ago
@Griffin9857 What pressure? What sub atomic particles? What stars? Where did they come from? Either they came from somewhere or have always existed, which one?
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U Your ignorance is amazing, you need to read up some more on cosmology. Stephen Hawking and Carl Sagan would be a start, I am not going to explain this in a 500 character post.
Griffin9857 1 month ago
@Griffin9857 Intelligent design can be proved and evolution disproved by the scientific studies of:
Genetics - DNA - Nature can produce patterns not information, Irreducible complexity of living systems.
Physics - Evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics, Origin of the universe from nothing, Einsteins theory of general reletivity, Lamathra's model of expansion.
Darwinistic evolution - natural limits to biological change, zero observable or past discovered examples of species change.
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U Genetics - you know nothing about evolution, it has been proven in previos posts.
Physics - Untrue, refer to quantum theory and how protons behave.
Biology - ABSOLUTELY untrue, scientists have observed genetic drift in several species of insect, example: Mosquito's. The very fact that humans have a wide range of phenotypes also shows genetic drift. This explains why an Asian man looks different to an African man.
Griffin9857 1 month ago
@Griffin9857 Continued: The fossil record (literally billions of examples) fail to show one example of a transitional form, but rather shows a sudden, inexplicable appearance of a wide variety of both simple and complex life-forms.
All naturalist theories have failed to explain life from non-life, and Darwinism has failed to prove evolution of life once it is present.
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U Untrue again, Archaeopteryx was a dinosaur with wings, about the size of a modern day chicken, had teeth, claws on it's wings and could likely glide. This clearly shows a transition from dinosaur to bird as birds and dinosaurs have very similar skeletal designs, especially in their pelvic bones.
Griffin9857 1 month ago
@Griffin9857 "Archaeopteryx " interesting that you would pick that one. It's on the list of proven errors/hoaxes. Your wisdom will drown you. Where did the dirt come from that (primorial ooze pond) spawned your great great great great grand/chimp/parents?
We have the same evidense but interpret it differently.
You avoided this intentionally, "How did life come from non life" and, "How did something come into existance from nothing?
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U You want me to explain monomers and polymers in a youtube post? including replicating RNA etc? We have already established that you are incapable of rational thinking, know nothing about science, and believe that Archaeopteryx is a hoax based on genesis. It was a bird with vestigial reptilian traits. It was Archaeoraptor that was the hoax. Modern birds still have scaly legs, and remnants of claws hidden away, and no teeth. They descended from dinosaurs.
Griffin9857 1 month ago
@Griffin9857 You truly do not know what you are saying, you believe the hype that they want you to believe hook line and sinker. Look around you in your yard, the universe, a baby... I see intelligent design fearfully and wonderfully and geniously crafted, You see a big cosmic accident. You have and serve no purpose by your own beliefs, you don't even matter one bit. Luckily you are wrong and you do matter and you do serve a purpose, to glorify God.
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U The contents of the universe existing like it is, is no "cosmic accident" WE are the wonderful accident. I don't prescribe to hype. You are right, that in the grander scheme of things none of us matter one bit. This universe owes us nothing. The notion that I exist to glorify god is laughable at best, and naive at worst.
Griffin9857 1 month ago
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@Griffin9857 "WE are the wonderful accident" Ok so you have established that you have much more faith than I.
"The contents of the universe existing like it is, is no "cosmic accident" So where did the contents of the universe come from? Always been here? Or spontanious self exsistance? Or string theory? (which equates to a more complex "always been here". Are you familiar with the laws of thermodynamics? Entropy? (They kill us being an accident in itself but why bother applying it there).
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U : Prove that mankinds` purpose is to glorify a deity, WHICH ONE ? Christ, Buddha,Quetzalcoatl or Tezcatlipoca ?? A human makes his own purpose in life. This wonderful design is skindeep. Look beneath the service and you find the work of a lousy amateur-creator.
ndzoko 1 month ago
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@ndzoko " A human makes his own purpose in life." That is wisdom from below which is earthly and demonic. Which God? There is only one.
Moving2U 1 month ago
A theory in the modern sense is like this: Gravity is a fact, the theory of gravity is how we believe it works based on observable evidence that has been documented and tested.
Any more questions?
Griffin9857 1 month ago
Evolution has not been 100% proved, so they call it a theory, no?
The Theory of Christianity, then?
Emlis16 2 months ago
@Emlis16 Have you read the 7 daughters of eve? it traces the migration of mitochondrial DNA from africa through europe. Nice little addition to evolution I think.
Griffin9857 1 month ago
@Griffin9857 If you think so :P
Emlis16 1 month ago
@Emlis16 Science thinks so.
Griffin9857 1 month ago
@Griffin9857 God invented science. What's your theory on God?
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U There is no god.
Griffin9857 1 month ago
@Griffin9857 " Have you read the 7 daughters of eve?" Related, have you seen the study of DNA that confirms what the Bible states? That All people on earth's DNA can be traced back to one common mother of all? Thousands of years before science can test and prove this, God through His word states this fact. It takes me less faith to believe that God created man from the dust of the earth than it does for you to believe that the dust and man both magicall popped into existence without direction.
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U The bible is unreliable. There is no empirical proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed. These "mothers" written in the 7 daughters of eve each lived in different times, with on some occasions more than 20,000 years apart. Furthermore all matter heavier than hydrogen came from the nuclear fusion reactions in giant stars billions of years ago. Your admission of faith shows you believe without evidence, while I believe based on observable evidence.
Griffin9857 1 month ago
@Griffin9857 You can't site one shred of valid evidence that the Bible is unreliable or that Jesus never existed. There are four non Christian sources that I could site that state Jesus was a real man who lived and that unexplainable miraculous deeds were credited to Him . Even in Jewish writings they claim Jesus was real, though they thought him to be a mad liar not the Christ. Sling your mud, but know what you're even talking about before you do. You are scared of God being real.
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U The bible is unreliable as it is full of inconsistencies, contradictions, incorrect scientific information and dangerous precepts such as demon possession. Jesus may have been a person, but to perform miracles would break the laws of chemistry and physics and as such they wouldn't be laws. Why would god concentrate so much on ancient times, and not today? Answer: because we know the science behind the things they didn't then, they aren't miracles anymore.
Griffin9857 1 month ago
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@Griffin9857 You can't site one shred of valid evidence that the Bible is unreliable or that Jesus never existed. There are four non Christian sources that I could site that state Jesus was a real man who lived and that unexplainable miraculous deeds were credited to Him . Even in Jewish writings they claim Jesus was real, though they thought him to be a mad liar not the Christ. Sling your mud, but know what you're even talking about before you do. You are scared of God being real.
Moving2U 1 month ago
@Moving2U "It takes me less faith to believe that God created man from the dust of the earth than it does for you to believe that the dust and man both magicall popped into existence without direction." This shows to me that you understand very little about evolution at all. No evolutionary scientist would make a statement like that, because it is blatantly contradictory to empirical evidence.
Griffin9857 1 month ago
@Griffin9857 Boy are you going to be suprised one day. BTW evolution merely makes vein attempts at explaining progress once you have life. Science has provided the very evidence that Darwin claimed would prove his theory invalid if ever discovered.
You have more faith than Christians who believe in God to believe that the dust you evolved from magically and spontaniously winked into existance all by itself. God will explain it to you Himself so don't worry you will understand and agree 1 day.
Moving2U 1 month ago
Wow, this guys arguments are so weak and ignorant, he is just pulling anything out of the air to justify what he wants to believe.Sounds like most Christians. Who the hell is this guy, BTW??
paulcorda 2 months ago
@paulcorda you dont understand cause you dont know him
yoodda 2 months ago
@yoodda - I do not need to know him, all I have to do is listen to his arguments. Sorry to say, but they are weak. He can believe whatever he wants, I have no issue with that, but it does not make him correct.
paulcorda 2 months ago
@assym2006 God, (Big G) does not "murder". And GOD, doesn't cause pain. He relieves and renews.
LetHimInspireYou 2 months ago
People hate God. there is no arguement that can convince anyone to believe,but I wish there was. I hated God for years,said Christians were mentaly ill,the Bible was made up and then one day-God saved me,the faith I once hated I now believe and cherish with all my heart. There is no such thing as an atheist,everyone believes in God whether they would admit it or not.
FALSEGHETTO 2 months ago 2
God is a myth. Jesus probably did exist as a person, but he was just an ordinary man who wasn't even considered worthy of note by any writer during his lifetime.
The bible is just a collection of invented stories, myths and legends without even any historical accuracy, let alone miraculous events..
Darwinsman 2 months ago
@Darwinsman why do you feel the need to go to videos like this and rune peoples faith
MrOsbornea 2 months ago
@MrOsbornea If your faith is so weak that my words can ruin it, then I think you should be examining what it is that you believe.
As for my reasons? Richard Dawkins put it better than I could:
"Many of us saw religion as harmless nonsense. Beliefs might lack all supporting evidence but, we thought, if people needed a crutch for consolation, where's the harm? September 11th changed all that."
Darwinsman 2 months ago
@Darwinsman Actually, if you'd read the bible you would realize that it is historically correct. I've seen many places. I had learned about Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonians in history class and it's also in the bible. So don't even say that. And Jesus was recorded in history as a man who "caused miracles". There is a lot of historical proof. Now, tell me, how much proof is there of the big bang theory? or even half of science?
LetHimInspireYou 2 months ago
@LetHimInspireYou 1) I do not deny that there some historical places and known events, have been verified by eye witness writers and archaeological evidence which have been proved to be true. some places still exist today.
However, nearly all the cornerstone, religious events, such as the Genesis, Noah's Flood, The Exodus, The Nativity, etc., have no evidence for them other than the bible and nothing can be used to prove itself. They are just myths and legends. Cont'd.
Darwinsman 2 months ago
@LetHimInspireYou 2) Quote: “Now, tell me, how much proof is there of the big bang theory? or even half of science?”
All of science is based on proof. It is not accepted unless it has gone through the rigorous gauntlet of peer review and in the competitive world of science, there are always other scientists who are only too willing to pull someone else’s theory apart. All the attempts at fraud in science have all been exposed by fellow scientists. Cont’d.
Darwinsman 2 months ago
@LetHimInspireYou 3) As for proof of the Big Bang. Scientists have already traced the universe back to a few picoseconds after the Big Bang.
I suggest you look at today’s news regarding the research in Cern and the possibility of having found the Higgs Boson Particle.
Scientists may not yet know the precise origin of the universe, but they are very close to it and it isn’t god. When they do, what rationalisation will you come up with then?
Darwinsman 2 months ago
@Darwinsman Most of science is theories. Trust me, i'm still learning it. I read the word theory more in my science book than anywhere. Just because I'm a strong Christian doesn't mean I don't believe in science either.. The big bang theory could have easily happened, I just think if it did, it was God. Not just random. Lol. In Genesis it says, "then God created the Earth." Big bang theory? Maybe.
LetHimInspireYou 2 months ago
@LetHimInspireYou 1/2. This is a common misconception, which is often used (wrongly) by creationists to denigrate evolution.
I admit the term "Theory" in everyday use, tends to mean an idea or a collection of ideas that have yet to be proven.
In science, this is called a Hypothesis. A theory is defined as the conclusion arrived at, as a result of the verification of proven facts.
In fact, in science, a Theory is the highest form of proof that can be achieved. Cont’d.
Darwinsman 2 months ago
@LetHimInspireYou 2/2. This is why we have the Theory of electricity. Nuclear theory, the theory of Gravity, etc., as well as the theory of evolution. Yet you wouldn't say, for example, that gravity doesn't exist, because it’s only a theory, would you?
In fact, the theory of evolution has more verified and tested proof in it's favour than any other branch of science and has never been successfully challenged in over 150 yrs.
Darwinsman 2 months ago
god does exist. and christianity is true because it makes the most sense.
henf5671 2 months ago
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DudeThatIsImpossible 3 months ago
so the bible is true because it "feels" right?
....yea ok that's great reasoning
thedaver500 3 months ago
@thedaver500 It is so great that you were able to completely misunderstand everything that he was saying.
WorshipInTruth 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith To NOT accuse god of murder is ludicrous. Who drowned the whole of humanity in the great flood ? READ your bible:. He ordered many people killed. >>Deuteronomy 17:12.Exodus 22:18.Leviticus 20:13.Leviticus20:27. Exodus 21:15. Proverbs 20:20. Leviticus 20-9 Leviticus 20:10 Leviticus 21:9. Deuteronomy 13:13,19 Exodus 22:19 Deuteronomy 13:1,5.Romans 1:24,32. Exodus 31:12,15. Romans 1:24,32. Leviticus 24:10,16 Deuteronomy 22:20,21.
ndzoko 3 months ago
@ndzoko You are making a gigantic assumption here. You are saying that God has done what Jen said "intentional killing of persons which have committed no capital offense". Rom 6:23 Sin = Death. Multiple times those who are wiped out are called sinful and unrighteous. What is ludicrous is the assumption that those multitudes were righteous before God and undeserving of death.
KrashOmnis 3 months ago
@KrashOmnis Man, read something about JUSTICE; Yes, read the verses I quoted . God had all those people killed for petty transgressions, or even actions witch are no sin at all. What is astounding is that intelligent people don`t see the TOTAL DIVINE INJUSTICE. Would anybody think today of murdering a fortuneteller, a blasphemer, somebody working on the sabbath ? Sin=death ,is theological buls..... A concept that was necessary to justify a need for salvation.
ndzoko 3 months ago
@ndzoko He created us. He can take us off the earth when he wants. Murder is a vulgar term used for humans. Got cannot murder, only humans can.
DJTinsletooth 2 months ago
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@DJTinsletooth He can take us off the earth when he wants.>> So how does he take people from this earth ? Read the following verses, that`s how he murders people. Deuteronomy 17:12.Exodus 22:18.Leviticus 20:13.Leviticus20:27. Exodus 21:15. Proverbs 20:20. Leviticus 20-9 Leviticus 20:10 Leviticus 21:9. Deuteronomy 13:13,19 Exodus 22:19 Deuteronomy 13:1,5.Romans 1:24,32. Exodus 31:12,15. Romans 1:24,32. Leviticus 24:10,16 Deuteronomy 22:20,21
ndzoko 2 months ago
@ndzoko Oh nice collection :) couldn't have put it better myself.
Griffin9857 1 month ago
@JendayiFaith Tell me, Why YOUR OWN christian colleges don`t teach biblical creation ? I tell you why, because creation is infantilism. Creationism interprets what FACTS, You need EVIDENCE to talk about facts. Is there a better argument against creation, then the refucal of YOUR OWN colleges to teach it ? Every religion, every tribe , every race has a different creation story. Show me YOUR facts for YOUR creation. And why is YOUR creation story right and all the other crration stories wrong
ndzoko 3 months ago
i find this pointless to comment and attack, the people who are looking up these videos are trying to figure themselves out, just let them. there is no point in arguing if you're not even trying to be bias, and just attacking a person is hurting your own cause. anyone who feels attacked by you is automatically gonna go the other way. let them figure this out on their own its their life not yours. get over yourselves
axel27ldt 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith Bulls..... There is no evidence of any creation. Creation is so dumb, so infantile, that from the 106 colleges which form the " Christian Coalition of Colleges " only 5 teach litteral biblical creation. Why ? Because creation is BULLS...
ndzoko 3 months ago
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@JendayiFaith not the God of the Bible I'm sure;;Witches, kill them. Homosexuals, kill them.fortunetellers, kill them. those who don`t listen to priests, kill them. those hitting their dad, kill them. those who curse their parents, kill them, adulterers, kill them. fornicators, kill them. people who believe in other religions, kill them. non-believers,kill them. fals prohets ,kill them. blasphemers, kill them. those who work on the Sabbath, kill them. This is the word of god !!
ndzoko 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith Christianity is true to the extend it has evidence. There is NONE.
ndzoko 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith -You rewrd people basd on belief over actual deeds other words (Serial killer repents on his deathbed goes to heaven ..while the kind hindu would living according to a moral code goes to hell that not justice)Torturing people forever because they were unable to believe something because there were imperfect being to begin with is cruelty and sadistic.Arbitary he makes the rules he needs blood because he wants blood because he's sadistic and blood thrst he can do anything pt 1
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith- Are you being burned in a lake of fire for your sins? Yes, I know satan sinned according to biblical theology I said IF he didn't and Mankind still sinned would he create Hell for them?
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith -Everyone deserves to be punished BUT there a LOOPHOLE you see if you believe this you wont be punished EVEN THOUGH you deserve to be punished which is showing he is unjust. A sadistic unjust, cruel, arbitrary, self contradictory God. Creates people sick and forces them to get well and when they don't tortures them forever knowing before the creation of the universe most of his creation will not be able to live up to such standard spends an eternity torturing people.
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith-So if satan never sinned but human did he wouldn't have created hell? That is nonsense.Of course he created for humans thats why humans go there God being supposedly all knowingly before the creation of the universe knew humans would sin thus it would also have to be created for humans as well. God said he was going to torture people forever no human said they wanted to be tortured. That's the part where I say he is sadistic. That's why he needs blood.
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith-Yes, it is a loophole criminals need to be punished EXCEPT those who believe in Jesus then they don't need to be punished it's called a LOOPHOLE. It would be the equivalent of saying everyone who wear red must die EXCEPT those to say I'm the best. Right, he doesn't need us and when we don't say he the best then he tortures us forever but he loves us. I understand.
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
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@JendayiFaith -That is silly God CREATED the place and sends people there no one wants to be tortured forever.
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith Yes, you're right I didn't sacrifice myself to MYSELF as a loophole in the rules I created because I cannot just forgive sins I need blood because I am a sadistic God who lives on something he created.
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith-"I think what your trying to ask is can God do anything He wants?" So why doesn't he forgive everyone without a need of a human sacrifice? Who is he trying to convince HIMSELF? Premise 1-Perfection cannot create imperfection P2-The earth was perfect Conclusion-Perfect creatures which he created failed. Invalid argument. I am thinking he is sadistic and blood thirsty that's why he needs blood and wants to torture people forever that the only conclusion I can come up with. pt 1
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith -God is unable to simply forgive people of their sins...what type of God needs blood and has an obsession with foreskins is he a sadist? What is so special about blood that someone who is guilty somehow becomes not guilty anymore? Is he a sadistic God who needs blood? This tells me this God is insane because he needs blood to convince HIMSELF to forgive people otherwise he cannot even though HE'S MAKING THE RULES. pt1
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith -How does blood make someone who is guilty not guilty anymore? God cannot just forgive people he needs blood what is his obsession with blood and foreskins? Is he a sadist or something? I can forgive someone without blood am I greater than God? I cannot forgive sin unless I have blood..Is he sadistic or something?
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith -Yes, you did contradict yourself u said he wasn't human then you said he was. Jesus did not inherit the sin nature but we did because God is fair blaming us for Adam's mistake. "For in the beginning he created everything perfect..."Can a perfect being create something not perfect? if you say yes. Then the imperfection shows that being cannot be perfect because perfect beings create perfect beings right? Your going to say freewill but God God have freewill? And he CANNOT sin. pt 1
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith-Here's a question is it possible for God to forgive people without a need for a sacrifice?
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith -"Jesus was not human" Jesus wasn't human? alright. "Jesus is fully God and fully man." So he is human? You just contradicted yourself. "he already had everything planned from the beginning." So he already planned for everyone to be sinner so he could torture them forever. Why was the only way for God to save us is sending Jesus if he's making the rules he could make any provision which makes the whole thing seem ridiculous. pt1
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith-[Here's the game] - Make everyone sinners and everyone who doesn't accept Jesus let them be tortured forever but here is a LOOPHOLE if they accept my HUMAN SACRIFICE they won't actually have to recieve justice...For God so loved the world that he sacrificed himself to HIMSELF to convince HIMSELF to not punish sinners and punish someone innocent which is actually HIMSELF who he calls his Son, because he doesn't want to just forgive people he need them to BELIEVE to save them. Genius
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith -So instead of punishing the criminals themselves which is actual "justice" you punish an innocent person who never committed the crime. Genius! But it doesn't end there your debt is paid NO your salvation is dependent upon believing in the arrangement itself...Amazing.Save ourselves from what? Right , the God who loves us and is actually making the game so your basically in this condition and you need to BELIEVE it or else your tortured forever. pt1...
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
2:11-Lets just assume yahweh instead of any other god(s) or anything else sounds reasonable.
@4:13-Lunatic, Liar, or Lord? How about another option 43 alley put it like this "Legend"
@4:25-And the muslims will say the same about the quran it's the word of Allah and mohammad is the prophet.
MrEmeraldfusion 4 months ago
Reasoning.24sec?(....) God comes to earth sacrifices himself to HIMSELF in order to find the ability to get HIMSELF to forgive people of their sins. Uses a immoral system of "scapegoating" which person A is punished instead of the person X and REQUIRES DEMANDS people believe it in order to be forgiven. When no reasonable system of justice of earth works in such a twisted manner. This person paid your debts but you still need to BELIEVE it in order to be debt free utter nonsense.
MrEmeraldfusion 4 months ago
@MrEmeraldfusion if i offered you 1,000,000 dollars to buy a small house and you said no, do you think i would just throw you the money?
conraddoavil 4 months ago
@conraddoavil-Do I see the money first then reject it? or do I just think your lying then reject it? I don't see how your comment is relevant to the comments I made. Do you hunt me down tie me up set me on fire and torture me over and over again cause I reject your offer?
MrEmeraldfusion 4 months ago
@MrEmeraldfusion no, i don't do any of that, but it's the same thing, someone's giving you an amazing gift and you say no, is like rejecting the crucifixion
conraddoavil 4 months ago
@conraddoavil -A gift no one sees but have to believe exists because you say so? And when they don't threaten with torture forever sounds fair. A gift with conditions(*Condition 1.) If you dont accept my gift I am going to torture you forever.)It completely your choose do you want it or not?
MrEmeraldfusion 4 months ago
@MrEmeraldfusion we are talking about eternity. If God doesn't punish all the evil you've done in you're life with the perfect sacrifice which is Jesus Christ, you will burn in hell for eternity, because that wouldn't be just. Hebrews talks about why God needs to use sacrifices. read it when you get a chance. Forget about the anology i tried using earlier it was really bad.
conraddoavil 4 months ago
@conraddoavil -Why does God need to punish somebody reportedly innocent instead the criminals themselves is that just? why does he have to use a system of "scapegoating"? If God is making the rules why does he have to burn anyone it;'s all his preference.
MrEmeraldfusion 4 months ago
@MrEmeraldfusion God doesn't have to do anything. He doesn't owe anyone on earth anything. we're all sinners and we all fall short of the glory of God on our own righteousness. That's why Jesus was the perfect sacrifice. He conquered sin and death, and no one can enter the kingdom of heaven on his own power. Trying to entirely understand God is like grass trying to understand the anatomy of a human. It ain't gonna happen
conraddoavil 4 months ago
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@conraddoavil-"God doesn't have to do anything." If God doesn't have to do anything why does he HAVE to torture people forever? Is it because he wants to?
MrEmeraldfusion 4 months ago
@MrEmeraldfusion that right there is God's love. We all deserve the punishment that Jesus took upon himself, and you can either take it or leave it. If I killed my kid so everyone could have eternal life and they rejected it i'd send em to hell also
conraddoavil 4 months ago
@conraddoavil -I asked you a question is that just to punish someone reportedly innocent instead of the criminals themselves? What type of justice is that? If your making the rules why would you need to kill anyone? Who is he trying to convince HIMSELF? It's ridiculous.
MrEmeraldfusion 4 months ago