Dear supporters of Shelley Lubben and Pink Cross Foundation.....

[kinzeUK]

Well thank FUCK I had my eyes opened by not just this video but from what I've read elsewhere about Shelley Lubben. You nearly had me fooled Shelley. Not anymore.

And as someone who is half black, may I just say on the behalf of my fellow ethnic brethren as well as the REAL Christians out there who act and behave as their religion teaches them, a resounding FUCK YOU you self serving, hypocritical, lying disgrace for a human being. I should have known anything coming from cons right wing is BS

[OneGuysDesire]

@kinzeUK Anything you say, Lloyd. Anything you say!!!!!!!!!

[kinzeUK]

@OneGuysDesire I 'corrrrrr-ected' them, sir

[TDS4UT]

So what religion did these idiots convert to. It doesn't sound like Christianity at all. Judging other people. Naming names. Getting paid to rat people out. Seems more like Judaism than Christianity. Shelley Lubben is a Judas Priest. Still making money off of porn, only now she's some hypocrite holier than thou dumbass. I wonder if the this bitch still drinks because her mind is still messed up. Perhaps she's retarded.

[Carlyofyork]

Amen! I do not know why gullible Christians are supporting the Pink Cross Foundation, as I looked into this "outreach" more and more I could not buy that Shelley is a genuine Christian. She does not have a clear gospel presentation on her website, she uses a satanic modern version of the Bible, dresses immodestly and worldly. I too have wondered just how much she is helping women and men especially when she is not giving the gospel! Sadly there are many phony ministries like hers...

[Carlyofyork]

@Carlyofyork ...I started a genuine one this August in Toronto Canada, being a former stripper of nine years I received the Lord Jesus Christ as my Saviour in the spring of 2004. I can send you the link to my website or you can get it from my page if you wish. I genuinely want to see these women come to Christ and get out of that satanic industry. I wanted to do an expose on ministries like this that are phony (over 33 one of them from Niagara Canada). None give the gospel or a distorted one!

[Carlyofyork]

@Carlyofyork ..meant to say ONE from Niagara Canada. There are over 33 that are in the States.

[liellibg]

I use to go with a porn actress early 80's Video was new and indust was changing from film to video. This gave many sex workers including Ron independ to make their own movies. At this time this indust was like family and the girls were treated like princess. But as this indust grew with more new comers,it became harder more agressive abusive. Also many well known amer corps started investing into porn. This turned up the heat on everyone in the indust the women baring the brunt of it.

[sexxximps]

They are all the same when they do not get what they want Shelley,the church and so on, they all tell you to do what they want you to do at that time and is just what is good for them in the end.

[butchbutch66]

Funnily enough, I'm on April Garris' page and I can't see your name anywhere in the friends list, Sam. What's your real name then?

[MrSamHarmon]

@butchbutch66 You'll find me on her friends list as Michael Whiteacre.

[butchbutch66]

if you think what ever is going in with PCF negates one iota the facts of what she and others has revealed in the business, you're sadly mistaken. And that BS you wrote me about AIM and prevalence of drug use and mental illness...dude it's out in the open. For you to deny it or downplay it is sad. Even ChristianXXX wrote about it in his blog, which is why when I brough it up on your previous channel, you BLOCKED me. So much for freedom of speech huh Mike? Good night.

[MrSamHarmon]

@butchbutch66 I blocked you because you're belligerent and don't understand how to fashion a proper argument. You demand links and quotes to back up my assertions, so I provide them. Your response to that is to change the subject. LOL This video has NOTHNG to do with the defunct AIM clinic (which didn't even exist when Lubben was in porn) nor does it concern male performer ChrstianXXX. And yes, when someone's PROVEN to be a LIAR and a FRAUD it DOES cast doubt on their supposed "facts" about porn

[butchbutch66]

@MrSamHarmon RIght....I did simply what you do here and on other websites. For the record, you never originally provided me with the right link. And I haven't changed the subject. Regardless of what may be or may not have been happening behind the scenes at PCF, her facts are that...FACTS. And I mentioned that I have read the confirmed the same viewpoints from such blogs as ChristianXXX and a host of ex porn stars and current porn stars. Your agenda is to discredit Shelley to the point...

[butchbutch66]

where people doubt what she says about the porn industry. That's why I have been telling you...IT HAS GONE WAY BEYOND SHELLEY NOW. The truth has come out about immoral and destructive the porn "industry" is. You guys in the industry gunning for her is not going to change all these testimonies of how bad it is. The porn industry has been operating under the ignorance of the mainstream for a long time now. Everybody thought it was Playboy.

Now next you're probably going after Gail Dines....

[butchbutch66]

or anyone who has any fight in them...You and Julie Meadows try to play this act of righteously trying to find the truth. It's all diversion to what a shithole the porn industry is, and how they DON'T take care of their own. Whatever grievences some of the women have regarding Shelley, I'm sure all of them are glad Shelley loved them enough to get them out of porn.

[AnthonyJKenn]

@butchbutch66 Right...because two people who have been in the business in their own capacity (as producer/director and performer, respectively) longer than your professed champion (who's still only done 17 movies in 9 mths), know less about their profession and the people who go through it than a woman who has been out of the "industry" for nearly 20 years. But because she's antiporn and flaunts the Bible, that's good enough for you. Get off the cross, dude....wood's not cheap.

[AnthonyJKenn]

@butchbutch66 Uhhhh, you need to understand something, Butch: rumors posted at porn message boards do not substitute for facts. They still have to be verified. Just because ChristianXXX or Monica Foster or Donny Long posts something on Pornwikileaks or AdultFYI or GFY does not make it true. And, just because Shelley Lubben reposts it and slants it for her ministry does not make it a fact, either.

[AnthonyJKenn]

Also ..here's the kind of stuff that Shelley considers to be a "FACT":

"The average life expectancy of a porn star is 37.43 years vs. average life expectancy of an American is 78.1 years." (recently tweet from @SLubben)

I'll be sure to relay that to Seka, Vanessa del Rio, Nina Hartley, Vicky Vette, Kylie Ireland, Inari Vachs, and all the other 40+ year old performers who managed to survive past their "prime".

Shelley Lubben is a crank, and you are her useful idiot. That is all.

[MichaelWhiteacre]

@AnthonyJKenn Regardless of one's opinion of the "value" or "harm" or "immorality" of pornography, one cannot forgo reason. Modern porn arose in the 1970s, and it's boom began nearly a decade later, with the advent of the VCR. Most porn performers have not yet grown old enough to die by natural causes. Most haven't even reached retirement age. Eric Edwards, who did his first "adult" scene in 1969, is still with us. This is junk science and detracts from the real debate.

[sWeepingsAnd]

@AnthonyJKenn I'm not sure if you understand what the word "average" means....

[AnthonyJKenn]

@sWeepingsAnd Actually, I do...and the notion that the majority of porn performers don't live past 38 years is simply ridiculous. You might as well claim that the average life expectancy of rock-n-roll recording artists is 35.5 years; therefore, ROCK KILLS!!! And it would be just as asinine as what Lubben is attempting here.

[sWeepingsAnd]

@AnthonyJKenn Rock-n-roll culture is a hole of degeneracy.

Similar to porn culture.

[AnthonyJKenn]

@butchbutch66

Ahhh...freedom of speech is about you having a right to speak your opinions. It is NOT about others giving you carte blanche to use their spaces to abuse them.

We haven't censored you one damn bit here, otherwise, you wouldn't be reading your own words. Has your side ever allowed Shelley's critics the same privilege?? Mostly...NO. So, who's censoring who, palie??

[butchbutch66]

No. Read my previous messages. I asked for a link regarding April saying this was a cult.

[butchbutch66]

Are you friends april on facebook?

[MrSamHarmon]

@butchbutch66 Yes I am. I am honored to be friends with her.

[butchbutch66]

Thats not the link you sent me. Your fault not mine.

[MrSamHarmon]

@butchbutch66 You did not ask for links to the "cult" comment in your YouTube message to me. You asked for links to the quotes I posted here regarding Maddy's veracity. I sent them as requested.

[butchbutch66]

Never saw April call it like that on the link you sent me. This what in fact April wrote: "I am here to do nothing more but lend my support to Maddie. I am not here to bash Shelley, Pink Cross, or to take sides, but I can attest to the fact that Maddie is being honest, and she deserves to be heard, and deserves a chance at a future for her and her daughter.". sound more diplomatic to me, smart guy.

[MrSamHarmon]

@butchbutch66 You are a true idiot.

Here's April on Facebook, October 18, 2011

Maddy -- those are the exact same tactics that the Church of Scientology uses -- delete any opposition, and exalt themselves as the "enlightened few." I wouldn't be surprised if Shelley Lubben started suing people who speak out against her.

DMCA notice?! Sounds like something the church of Scientology would do -- oh wait, I forgot, Pink Cross is also a cult.

[MrSamHarmon]

How diplomatic is this quote, (also Facebook): "Maddy -- that is part of the gimmick. She always wants to bring an ex-industry person with her to every public event so that she could point them out to the audience as her success stories. She did the same with me -- at the Human Trafficking Conference, the church events, and also Cambridge. She made sure that everyone knew that she had 'proof ' of her claims and good deeds."

[MrSamHarmon]

@butchbutch66 Here's part one of April's response to this very video by DinesVictorious (on Facebook, October 18, 2011): "To all of my friends -- please watch this video. This is EXACTLY why I left the Pink Cross Foundation. I pray for your forgiveness in wasting 8 months of my life working for this 'ministry.'"

[MrSamHarmon]

@butchbutch66 Part two of April Garris' response: "I want to personally apologize to everyone for my involvement with the Pink Cross. I realize how many people have been hurt by this group, and I know that I contributed to it by my involvement. I guess I just didn't realize the gravity of the situation."

"Why do people continue to support this hypocrite?!"

How's that for being diplomatic? April Garris is a decent Christian woman who opposes pornography.

[butchbutch66]

And this truth was the truth the industry has been trying to hide from the mainstream. So keep going with your stupid hit piece. Because if you are going to do one for April, Jan, Patrice, Trent, et al. You can't stop the movment.

[MrSamHarmon]

@butchbutch66 April has already publicly called Pink Cross a cult. No need to do a hit piece on any of the rest. Anyone who stands with Shelley Lubben after these revelations is forever tainted.

[butchbutch66]

What you dont get is that this is way beyond one person and her failings and faults. Whatever disagreements April or Maddy or anyone else has with Shelley they all agree that porn industry is a hellhole that buses people and needs to be regulated at least, and shut down at most. You thought i pin my hopes on one person? No i hear ALL these women and men telling the truth about the porn industry.

[butchbutch66]

Funnily enough none of the other women attest to this. Methink michael's campaign of slander is showing cracks...

[MrSamHarmon]

@butchbutch66 What other women? The prostitute (Jenni) who's now employed by Pink Cross? Haven't you wondered why Shelley's voice is slurred in video after video? Did u see the video of her performance at the Cambridge debate? Don't you know that Lubben refers to herself as the "Rebel Prophet"? Have u seen Lubben's video where she prays in her backyard with an 8-ft staff? Or the pictures on her Facebook of the 24-hour lit altar in her house? How many Christians do YOU know that do these things?

[MrSamHarmon]

@butchbutch66 Have you watched The Devil and Shelley Lubben -- wherein Shelley contradicts herself? She claims her miscarriages were as a result of the adult industry but they actually began at age 17 before she even left home and the last one was 5 1/2 years before she ever walked onto a porn set? How do you explain that? These are HER OWN WORDS. He voice on audio, her face on video, her quotes in interviews, her writings in her book.

[MrSamHarmon]

@butchbutch66 Here's a comment from April Garris WHO WAS WITH PINK CROSS THE LONGEST (and is now a minister) concerning Madelyne's veracity (from the site lukeisback [dot] com): "As a former employee of the Pink Cross Foundation, and someone who has known Maddie for a long time, I just want to say that I completely support Maddie, and the things that she said in this video... I was there on the 4th of July, was witness to what happened, and can confirm that she is being truthful."

[butchbutch66]

It matters because any fool can edit a youtube video. Any 13 year old kid can make one. All you need is iMovie and sone images from Google. So until the people making these accusations show their faces and provide creible references, this is just slander.

[MrSamHarmon]

@butchbutch66 So in other words, in your view @DinesVictorious is either 1) an idiot or a sucker, or 2) secretly conspiring with the porn industry to defame Shelley Lubben.

[butchbutch66]

I see text. I see images. I don't see evidence. I don't see her breast enlargements. I don't know who you are. Why don't you show your face? This is made in the same way her "brother" Chris made the video.

[MrSamHarmon]

@butchbutch66 You don't see her breast enlargements? Try Google. There's a pic of this married, Christian, anti-porn advocate getting her boob signed by a man famous for being able to suck his own penis! I know Shelley's brother Chris personally; he made that video. How much denial must it take to hang on to the delusion that this con artist Lubben is actually doing good? Why does DinesVictorious' face matter? Her face is not the issue. Citizens have a right to both privacy AND an opinion.

[MrSamHarmon]

@butchbutch66 As for the authenticity of her brother's video, if you search for "Shelley Responds to Her Brothers Vid" on the site LukeIsBack, you can see that Shelley herself acknowledges that it is indeed her brother's work. She then attempts to discredit him as well. Nothing is sacred to Shelley Lubben. And everyone who dares criticize her is part of some satanic pro-porn conspiracy. Her brother Chris also responds in the comments on that LukeIsBack post.

[DelinquentBilly]

It's nice when people on all sides can admit how full of crap Shelly is

[AnthonyJKenn]

As much as we are on totally opposite sides of this issue, I absolutely MUST give you just deserved credit for this video clip. Lubben and a few of her acolytes are already attempting to claim a "Satanic" conspiracy against her...but these facts prove otherwise.

Anthony