@VendPrekmurec So easy to recognise that you know nothing. You even seemed to be stupid... Sorry... Russians are one of the purest Europeans, Slavonian people. Culturally they belong to North-East Europeans (Slavic heritage, Orthodoxy faith) and genetically they have some background by Scandinavian and Finnish, only in thr North. Centre and South of their inhabitat are fully Slavic (Also cossacks in the south)
@IIIZEPHYROSIII There aren't any "purest" Europeans. Old Scandinavians were Slavs or Veneti, that were mixing with Goths and became what are they today... The same was with Suomi people who arrived into current Venea and became "Ven" or "Finn"s
@IIIZEPHYROSIII i was arguing with some guy about Kozaks. He believed that this is "Tatar"(aka Turk) origin. I was trying to explain that Kozaks were Tartars(has nothing to do with Tatar) (Slavs) or Scynthians.
@VendPrekmurec Ok sorry i must have been misunderstood. Anyways Kozaks were war-like Turkish tribes (different names) mixed with Slavic and other peoples. By the way Russian neighbours - Scandinavians (Dannish, Norwegian, Swedes) were formed from Gellions tribes that were living in Scandinavia and Germany and spoke in Old-Germanic languages. Goths used to live a little way from Visla (East Germany) Russian nation was formed from Kriviches, Dragoviches, Vjatiches, Ilmen slovens, Radimiches tribes
@IIIZEPHYROSIII "Konstantinople" in current Istambul was Slavic city Tsarigrad or "City of Tsar". There was a war between "Jewish"( Osirian) Sanhendrin, under Isaak Angelos who fought against Slavic emperor Andronicus Komnim (who was still in old Slavic "christian" - native faith). The Komnin was executed and became new "Christ-os"- this happened in 11th century AD. There was no "jesus on a cross" before that era.
In the same time 1. Torah was written (today known as Leningrad Codex) and history
@VendPrekmurec Tsarograd is Slavic or Rus name for Constantinople but Constantinople was never a Slavic city - if you have reference or evidence that says otherwise then please list it
@IIIZEPHYROSIII also back to "Turks". The "Khan" was old slavic general or Kniaz (prince) in times of war. From this came "Kaganat" as a territory. The Knez or Kniaz was a prince or civilian ruler. His territory was called Kniazhestvo, Knezhestvo. The Slavs divided territories into "provinces" or principalities, where every prince was like king. This was done because they did not want to make some tribe too much powerful and above others. Slavs were democrats lived under law called Rota.
@VendPrekmurec Yeah you're smart. Kniashestvo is our word means "principality" Showing me your knowledge of our history and our ancestors in general you probably meant Old Rus' (Russia) You were absolutely right you described life of Russian principalities of about111-13 century. We are Norh-Eastern Slavs. We were pagans but Greek christianity faith were brought in fact in 988 AD with the help of our ruler Wolodimir. West Slavs differ from us in many things. So as i suppose you like Slavs.
@IIIZEPHYROSIII Rus were a Slavic (Venetic) tribe, also called "Slovinci" - also compare with "Slovenci" (Slovaks, Slovenes - all from Venetic (west Slavic) ancestry. Their territory was called Venea (from which comes also current Suomi ("finnic") word "Fin-land"(finland) or Ven-Land (land of Vends or Veneti). I don't want to go into nationalistic discussion here, but so it was in ancient times. Slavs were democrats - they allowed other people with different language to live among them.
@IIIZEPHYROSIII There existed another Slavic Venetic tribe called VAGRI - elite Venetic warriors, living near Sweden ("swen+den"- veneti again + Den = tribes of Don (Dontsi) - river Don) in SkandiNavia -"skandi" was probably an ancient unknown prince and "Navia" means "lower" (territory).
Second name of "Vagrians" were Variagi or Variags - "The Vikings". But Variags weren't any "Vikings", because Vikings were from Jarl Swedish Gothic tribes; sea robbers and mercenaries.
@IIIZEPHYROSIII Variags became rulers of Rus Slavic tribes. The capital city of Variags was Stargrad (Grad in ancient venetic times was called "Gard") which means "old city". Their new city became "Novogorod" or "new city".
@IIIZEPHYROSIII Goths arrived into current Germany in 10th century AD. Berlin was Venetic (Slavic) Berlo or Berlog (Bear's lair - ber (bear) was also second slavic word for med-ved - the one who knows honey), Brandenburg was Branibor,...
Germans also later called their territory as "Prussia" - which means after russia. Term "Rus" comes from Slavic word "Rost" which means "to grow up" - since a child (Rasa, Tabula Rasa)
@VendPrekmurec The overwhelming majority of scientists assert that the word "Kozak" is taken from the Turkish languages of Khazars and other Turkish tribes that used to occupy 90% of the modern Ukraine and were living there until Russian kniazes (princes) from Novgorod (Holmgard) took over Kiev (ex-fortress of Khazar Kaganat) and expanded to the south. Also Scythians weren'r "pure" Slavs. They lived next to Slavs but it's the controversial point to discuss there's no a certain opinion.
@VendPrekmurec Ukrainian culture is full of Turkish atributes, it proved by scientists and they are really mixed. People from "okraina" Okraina means suburbs, border, edge, outskirts. Kozaks are of the Turkish origin. It's just a fact. There were some cruel, edgy, warlike, freedom-loving, strong and invincible warriors from the Central-Asia they were basically nomads and liked moving to some different lands finding home. Gradually they started mixing with Slavs living on the edge (Ukraine)
@IIIZEPHYROSIII "it proved by scientists " which "scientists". ? Give me references. Also these "Scientists" don't speak Slavic language (never did) - the slavic history was written with subjective (nationalistic) and religious tones since 17th century by Gothic "germanic",Jewish, Italian and Greek. Russian history, Ukrainian history and all slavic history was absorbed into Torahic Jesuitic "history" (after Josephus and Julius Scaliger) and after Teutons wiped out old Venets(Slavs) in Germany...
@IIIZEPHYROSIII This is pure nonsense... Slavs lived also on current territory of Turkey (also old Paflagonian Veneti or Homer's Enedae (without letter V) in Troy (3) or Ilios (without V - Vilios - Veles city) were Slavs also )
The "historians" love to interpret the Tartarian (Scynthian) history as "turk". They ignore ancient historians, ancient maps, toponymes, hydronames; also about related term "Mongol" which was perverted (in Byzantium by Sanhendrin)from old Greek "Mogul" (Mogochny- "great")
@IIIZEPHYROSIII Okraina does not mean border - it is derived from Kpau or Kraj which means country, land or edge - Ukraina is not borderland but name of land or province(s) within Rus - there is not much if any Turkish genetics in Slav genotype - Turks had small impact on Ukrainian on Slavic ethnicity -
there is no such place called "Old Russia" - Russia did not exist during Medieval period or even after - also Rus is not Russia and modern Russian Slavs arre not native to Russian land
@majorgeeek and please stop talking to me. Your disgusting prejudice and degrading comments are not only annoying and tactless, but they only make you look more evil. I feel sorry for you. There will come a day when you understand everything. You see, age does not mean wisdom. Wisdom comes with realization. When you find that balance, you will understand that not everything is the way the world wants us to think...
@RussianStarchild I said Rus is not Russia and I also said Russian Slavs are not native to Russia - If you cannot argue factually which seems to be the case then I suggest you stop your inane accusations, rantings, ravings and swearing and refer to your doctor for assistance - you sound like a product of deviant defunct Soviet Regime, probably you wear red undies and jackboots as well???
@majorgeeek хазарянин. какая тебе разница Россия Русь или не Россия? Ты лучше побеспокойся за свои аваро-хазаро-печенего-половце-татаро-тюркско-адыго-черкесские корни и не лезь в чужую историю ты к ней тем более не относишься.
@majorgeeek and judging by your ignorance, blind foolery, and hate, YOU are the real byproduct of the Soviet regime, because the Soviet regime was designed to separate Ukrainian people as a second class, and killed millions of Russians because of people like you. You believe in enemies because it is all in your head. You don't deserve to represent our people. You deserve to be ashamed of yourself. I'm just a 19 year old girl who lives in two countries- and I see things with a clear mind.
@majorgeeek my "rants" have more grounds than yours will ever have. Your profile shows what kind of a poisonous, hateful Ukrainian nationalist you are, blaming the Russian people for something they didn't do, and trying to lie about history. I love Ukraine for the same people and the same history, and half of my ancestry lived there. My grandfather is a Ukrainian geneticist who proved my belief- and my belief is simply the same as millions of people know.
@majorgeeek most mainstream studies are propagated by ignorant historians who take money to their best interest, while real historians that are not necessarily Russian try to find true facts. If there were mostly males, the flux of births would not be so steady. There are two sides of experts, and yours by far is not the strongest. Quit inventing more bullshit and go suck a cock, because that's what you are- a 30 year something mental sucker that argues with young people who seek truth.
@RussianStarchild once again your ravings about Slavic history do not agree with the mainstream body of historic fact - your ideas are mostly deviant, groundless and you have not offered one shred of evidence to disprove that Russian Slavs are not native to Russia - either change your medication or your doctor
@majorgeeek Oh, and who do you think you are to teach people this bullshit? Who the fuck gave you the power to condemn normal people like me insane? I'm simply stating facts that I learned through many intelligent people, while you go and pour shit on everything. You know who loves people like you? The handful of shits in charge of the government. They love to divide and conquer, that's why there is hatred between the same brother nations. You're a mainstream sheep fucked in the head. Sad.
@RussianStarchild your "facts" about Slavic history do not agree with mainstream studies - most history sources support the notion that Slavs developed and emerged in region central to Poland-Ukraine-Belarus and not Russia - the lands now belonging to Russian Federation were seeded with migratory Slavic people (mostly males) as mitochondrial studies have shown - hence my statement - Russian Slavs are not native to Russia - good luck with your medication
@majorgeeek you're attacking my ideas because you know you are wrong. Medication? Please, take that stick out of your ignorant ass. They aren't called "Balts". They are Slavs that mixed with Saxonic and Germanic groups. Rus is in history whether you like it or not, and while you sit there fuming about how everyone who is right is crazy, people laugh at you. "Russian Slavs are not native to Russia"- by George you're fucking stupid.
@majorgeeek and get it through your thick skull that you're disputing my evidence by denying that Finns, Scandinavians and Slavs come from the same R1a gene holder, their ancestor. If you continue to ignore the facts, you will think your theory is more truthful than the proof that many hold against you. And remember- Rus is the true name of Russia (<--the latter political name). I have genetics, ancestry, archaeology, family roots on my side. You have a delusional claim to fame. Doubt? Not so.
@RussianStarchild the R1a gene is marker for Slavic culture not Baltic - this gene separates Slavs from the Balts - Archaim is not early Slavic settlement - Rus is not the true name of Russia - Russian Slavs are not native to Russia - it would seem Russia's history may in fact be made up and very doubtful - the best scientific thing you could do is double your medication
@majorgeeek the archaeological evidence recently discovered in the northeastern territory of modern Russia, of the city known as Archaim, which dates back to the B.C. eras shows presence of Slavic life long before Kiev even existed. This proves that early Slavic civilization had migrated from the northern zones before, and left the land unoccupied when the Velikaya Stuzha (Great Cold, aka the climate shift I mentioned) occurred.
@majorgeeek and another thing, the Slavs of the Volga region come from a lineage of the Rus-Finn group that had more than likely separated after the common ancestor, then mixed again, or is simply the same group of two. This group had been known to exist longer than the southern Slavic strains.
@RussianStarchild Archaeological excavations in Novgorod found cultural layers dating back only to the late 10th century - mostly early Finn - this is great contradiction and compared to Kiev inception around 400AD conforms with history of early Slavic tribes scattered around the Dnipro basin and Kiev heartland which of course is Ukraine - it would seem Russia's early history is much in doubt? - scientific enough for you???
@majorgeeek, -which also shows that Slavs were not originally from the area you claim they are. Even the clothing and attitude towards weather is the same. Slavs in the Volga region had also been there long before The word Ukraine existed. They called the land Rus. Russia formed when The Romanovs infiltrated and changed policies. Ukraine is a word older than Russia but younger than Rus.
@majorgeeek, and allow me to educate a moron: mythology is a great historical source of information that is used to interpret a culture and locations and customs. Kiev, Kievskaya Rus, and Ukraine were never mentioned in the old Slavic mythology. Folklore is told by folk, why would they lie about it? Rus, however, its northern lands and colder winters, forests, wildlife are always mentioned in myths. This accounts for the geographical locale that is NOT like the rich Ukraine black soil steppe -
@majorgeeek, -such as Novrogod in the north, which was ruled by Rurik's successor Oleg. The 10th century Chronicle, however, is a later interpolation which means that the city was older than presumed, for it had already been a trade route between Rus and Byzantium, and Byzantine history refers to it a lot. Kiev was a separate Slavic city that was later taken by Oleg. And Novgorod is mentioned in Norse legends as the Slavic people are too, but primarily these people made no difference from them!
@majorgeeek, you're disputing science with an empty claim. And OF COURSE KYIV is a Slavic name, but it is not the oldest city to date made by Slavs! The oldest big city according to official history was Veliky Novgorod, even the stupid Chronicles first mention is in the 7th or 8th century (Sophia Chronicles). When Slavs spread from the Northeast due to the climate change, they did so in large numbers that split into smaller groups. Thus formed the smaller colonies that later formed into towns-
@majorgeeek -which has been long considered an insult to Slavic and Northern cultures. These foreigners said the same thing about Norwegians and Swedes, who fought for their cultural history and saved it from being stained by such lies. I've met Norwegians, Finns, Swedes in person, and it turns out we share MANY things in culture that no other ethnicity shares with us. And these things are older than migratory patterns. Even Ukraine saved elements that relate it to northern cultures.
@majorgeeek -it was composed in the same city of Novgorod which you said was not Slavic. If genes prove Slavs and Scandinavians were the same ancestor that inhabited the northern lands, why dispute that with some FOREIGN Chronicles that do not speak for Slavs? The book of Veles was composed by Slavic scholars and is being called a fake by foreigners because they find it an inconvenient truth. They embarrassed themselves in saying that western Europe came and educated us, and made us human.
@RussianStarchild the R1a gene did not originate in the north - Slavs and Scandanavians do not have common ancestor - the word Ukraina is Slavic word for Slavic lands and provinces that surrounded Kiev or Kyiv since before medieval times - Ukraina is also more appropriate name since it wasn't really the land of the Rus but the land of the Slavs especially since the Ruricid monachy became assimilated totally into the Slavic culture
@majorgeeek The R1a gene migration originated in the north of an area formerly called Midgard (the name was mentioned in the Book of Veles among 'starover' documents). This area was composed of the ancestors of Scandinavia, Rus, and the younger lands that Slavs inhabit. They migrated southward due to an impending cold climate change recorded in the document, and spread south and to Europe. There was no Ukraina until Slavs came and formed it centuries later-
@majorgeeek that was one outdated study, the updated proof that this theory is wrong is that Russian Slavs did not come from any central region, but in fact migrated from a more northern area closer to the White Sea, much earlier than thought. They then spread throughout the European side of Rus (although evidence shows that they went much farther east too). DUH Rus is not Russia, but it is indicated that Rus thrived in the same zone. You keep changing your views.
@RussianStarchild no changes in my views? - once again you are making more irrelevant comments - the genetic studies (plural) are not outdated but confirm the migration east of marker genes which indicate Slavs not native in Russia
@majorgeeek And bullshit me one more time, I will only find more evidence for your spiteful lying. You and your "Chronicles" can go to hell for all I care; there are many more historic documents predating the word "Ukraine" that mention Rus under its prior names. The people that lived there were the same Slavs as Ukrainians, Russians, Scandinavians, Baltic citizens, etc. Genealogy goes a long way, so stfu.
@RussianStarchild no denial - I am assuming you can read - if you care to read my comments I said Kyivskaya Rus did not exist prior medieval times - I did not say Rus did not exist - I said Rus is not Russia - genetic mitochondrial studies in Slavs confirm Russian slavs migrated from region central to Ukraine - hence Russian slavs are not native to Russia - you comments are too stupid to warrant intelligent replies
@majorgeeek your denial just embarrassed you; I quote here the earlier comment you posted: "Chronicles which describe years gone mentioned Ukraina in1168 which extends the concept the name Ukraina must have been well in use for hundreds of years prior - Russia is not Rus - I believe you live in your ancient Rus fairy tale and folklore world of myth"
@majorgeeek - bullshit. Your earlier comments clearly mention Russian mythology being a fairy tale, Rus not existing (by means of saying there were no Slavs on the land) and Rus history actually being Ukraine history. WTF? Are you serious? And of course it didn't appear in the "Chronicles"- Because Rus aka Rassenya was under the name Great Tartary- a name that mistakenly refers to Tartaria, when in reality it covered more than area. This was proven by European researchers themselves.
@majorgeeek added by historians? The Chronicles are not the original historical documents speaking for Rus and Ukraine. Kievskaya Rus was a name existent when Kiev was a major ruling city. What else are you aware of? Your arrogant ignorance? I hate to say this but I find you no better than Hitler who attempted to say exactly the same shit about Rus being a big fictionalized story. It was under his nose. And it was another reason he was condemned by people, lest he should lie about them too.
@RussianStarchild you sound more like Hitler - just listen to yourself?? - I did not say Rus was fiction - I wrote Kievskaya Rus does not appear in Chronicles or any text prior from Medieval period - The historians added Kievskaya later - specify the reference if I am wrong - I also said Ukraina was 1st recorded in 1168 Chronicles and therefore the name must have been in use by Ukrainians prior that date - i also said Rus is not Russia or the original name for Russia -
@majorgeeek I'm somewhat ashamed to have originated from the same ethnic group as you. If that's where you even came from. Ukrainian and Russian people are basically two flowers of the same stem. But infringing the already decimated and twisted into lie history of Rus is stupid, cruel and sick. I'd feel sorry for you, but there are too many of you who want to turn everything into a fat lie. Ukraine is a nation too, but it is no different than many Slavic branches. Quit the superiority complex...
@RussianStarchild the name " KIEVSKAYA RUSJ" did not appear in the Chronicles - as far as I am aware the title Kyivskaya was added by historians not prevent to confusion Ukraine's history with Russian
@majorgeeek - And by Ukrainian people I mean people with linguistic expertise, not another moron on Youtube who posts pretentious remarks degrading another's country, but knows NOTHING about it except how to brain fart and poke his/her eyes out just to be a blind fool. Could you get ANY more delusional? You know what? I don't care anymore, there are many idiots that will stand their ground by making shit go down; unfortunately I categorized you as one of them.
@majorgeeek - quit being a moron and READ my comments. I didn't say that it came from Khersones, I said there was an OUTPOST on the territory of Crimea when Ukraine formed, mixing the ethnicities. Let me break it down for a moron. UKRAINA= U KRAIA, U=at Kraiya=edge with modified suffix, has NOTHING to do with mother or sister. Again, WHO proves this? The Ukrainians. And RUS was always mother rus. And it was called KIEVSKAYA RUSJ because that was the name of the entire area, including Ukraine.
@RussianStarchild you are obviously an expert at "being a moron" ? - your garble is pretentious nonsense - word Ukraina first recorded in reedited version of Chronicles 1168 and therefore I said it is fair and reasonable to assume the word Ukraina must have been used prior that date - hence my statement that there is viable alternate name for Rus - Rus is Viking word? likely - but Slavs native to wooded steppes of Ukraine/Poland/Belarus not Russia also have/had their own name(s).
А если вы решите сного завести спор с примесями мата в сторону своих братьев, то знайте что Русь зародилась не в Киеве, даже не на земле современной Украины. Я лишь хочу сказать что не нужно спорить, а вспомнить, вернуть и укрепить единство Русов и всех славян.
Сейчас Украинцы любят кричать что Русь-это они, Русские мол тут совершенно не имеют никакого отношения:)Так друзья знайте, что Русь-это мы.МЫ-восточные славяне имеем одни корни и в праве гордиться нашей ОБЩЕЙ историей.Общей прошлой и я не сомневаюсь что и будущей историей.
@majorgeeek You mean the Hypatian Codex, which was written somewhere around 1425. There was no alternative name to Rus' in the bygone years, and nothing you have presented has proven otherwise. Ukraine is not Rus', and neither is Russia in the direct sense, they are all nations that came forward as a result of the dissolution of Rus', and all have their historical roots in Rus'. That is a historical fact, which every historian agrees with, aside from the pseudo-historians from Lvov.
@majorgeeek I went ahead and looked up the text in the Hypatian codex, and the mention of the word Ukraine. You are correct, the word Ukraine was mentioned, but it was mentioned to describe the Principality of Pereslavl', which existed between 11th and 14th century. He called it so because it was a borderland between lands of Rus' and nomadic tribes.
@UncleVanya21 In the same codex we can also find this: «В наши украины и на наши городы войною учнутъ ходити», clearly stating that there were multiple Ukraines aka multiple lands referred to as Ukraina, aka outlying land.
@majorgeeek And Ukraina means at the edge. Ukraine developed when more than one ethnicity began to settle there, and it was not Slavic alone. It was after a branch of the Slavs traveled south and met with Mediterranean culture (the Greeks of Khersones, the outpost of the Crimea). And how the fuck did you get "an alternative" name out of Rus? Man even the most ignorant historian will tell you how stupid you are, because that is where Slavs originated from. More evidence? Genetic origin.
@RussianStarchild the name Ukraina was not derived from Khersones or Krim - the edge meaning is more Russian but Russia did not exist during Rus so no edge to speak of - Ukraina has many meanings but the original meaning as derived from the Chronicles means my land or piece of land - as interpreted 1168 - since the name Ukraina was documented in Chronicles, therefore it is fair and reasonable to assume it was commonly in use well before that date by ancient ethnic native Rus Ukrainians
Russia is the successor state of Rus', people living in Russia are in their majority (80%) of Slavic ethnicity. Those are the facts, everything else is a product of majorgeeek's delirium which isn't backed up by anything other than his repetitive lies.
@javernulsia the Turks were not a permanent feature in Ukraine same as for Poles, Mongols, huns etc - these were enemies of the native Slavs of Ukraine, Cossacks eventually drove these parasites from Ukraine traditional territory to become the Slav nation it is today - the genetic arguments do not support your contention in any way and you need to do more reading in this complicated area rather than presenting small collection of gene evidence which serves absolutely no purpose at all -
@javernulsia The Turks were nomadic not native to Ukraine they visited Ukraine from 7 to 11C while the Slavs, Slavic culture and Slavonic language is native to Ukraine and developed mainly in the central Dnipro heartland and Kyiv - actually if you correctly read DNA tests show even bigger divisions between north and South Russians apart from the Ukrainian genotype
@majorgeeek Soviet regime created modern Ukraine. Tadeusz Czacki, Polish-Ukrainian historian argued that "ukrainians come from the ukrs, a horde from beyond the Volga". None of the Russian chronicles ever mention ukraine as a state, only as a territory. National history can be traced through folklore, and ukrainian epic stories are all about Cossacks, which is late 16th century at its earliest: ancient Rus fairy tales and folklore are alive in Russia. Russia is the inheritor of that memory.
@RussianKostya Soviet Regime almost destroyed Ukraine, repressed its population, murdered millions of innocent Ukrainians and deported millions to make room for worthless Katsaps in the East - so your created Ukraine contention is idiotic - Chronicles which describe years gone mentioned Ukraina in1168 which extends the concept the name Ukraina must have been well in use for hundreds of years prior - Russia is not Rus - I believe you live in your ancient Rus fairy tale and folklore world of myth
@majorgeeek territorially Ukraine was created by the USSR, otherwise i personally do not mind at all if modern Ukraine goes back to its 1654 border, with no Crimea or southeastern provinces. Chronicles never ever refered to ukraine as a statehood. As a matter of fact there are several "ukraines" to be found there, depending upon which state Russia bordered, it is just a territorial name. Connection with the historic past can be proven through oral folklore, whether you accept it or not, LOL.
@RussianKostya territorially? - currently Ukraine's territory is approximately one half of its former Kievan Rus - lets not forget Suzdal/Moscow principality were subservient to Kievan State as was the Krim - Krim never belonged to Russia including illegal annexations or "oral folklore" ? - give me a break -
@UncleVanya21 I repeat - Russia illegally annexed Krim - regarding Russia's right to Krim it would greatly strenghten your argument to produce at least one international or even national document where this right is legally supported - Historic right of unclaimed territory falls away since Russia made acquisition of previously claimed territory - Russia has no right of claim - if it did it would have exercised that right long ago
@majorgeeek There was no such thing as "illegal annexation" at the time Krim became part of the Russian Empire. There was such a thing as rule of the strong, and possession was 100% of law. So yes, Crimea was Russian and then RSFSR's to keep or give away, as it did under Kruschev ironically it was done in celebration of 300 years of unification of brotherly peoples. Not that Ukrainians can be considered brotherly, being a bunch of worthless, backstabbing, traitorous leeches.
@majorgeeek i can argue back that from 1166 Kiev was subservient to Suzdal/Vladimir, where the seat of the Grand Princes was, and before that to Novgorod where the Russian state started. Our ancestors never looked at Russia as a 'south' and 'north' dichotomy, or in terms of 'subservience', the power center shifted due to geopolitcal environment. If Russia's annexation of Crimea by force from the Ottomans was 'illegal', then ukraine has no claims to it at all - go back to your 1654 borders
@RussianKostya perhaps your Russian ancestors or current plebs could get their noses out of books with hammer and sickle, might help? - Kiev was subservient only to Kiev - Novgorod was not Russian but Rus and is another example of Tsarist illegal annexation - Krim Turks always preferred unification with Ukraine to Moscow - principal of self determination cannot play role in Krim since resident Russians are not native to Krim - in fact Russian Slavs are not even native in Russia
@majorgeeek You sir, are a complete and utter moron. There were several "ukraines" over the years, cause the word means "outlying lands" and never had any other meaning until 19th century. Russia is Rus', its most powerful successor state.
@UncleVanya21 The word Ukraina did not mean "outlying lands" as per Nestors Chronicles - Ukrainian language does not carry that meaning either - whatever it may mean in Russian is of no consequence since Russia did not even exist at that time - Russia did not succeed Rus - the Danielivichi had trouble annexing neighbouring Novgorod province let alone any of the other remaining 12 provinces - the right of succession went to Ukraine's Galicia and it did - so stop lying
@majorgeeek You are the one lying, and you are repeating the same lies over and over and over, missing the fact just how much of a clown they make you look. Descendants of Rurik ruled in Moscow, as such the state created by Moscow is the successor state of Rus', thats a fact. Another fact is that Ukraine did not exist at the time of Rus'. As for the right of succession going to Galichina, thats a joke.
@majorgeeek First of all, Slavic culture stems from the same culture as the Nordic and Viking culture. You will see it in the ancient swastikas, clothing, traditions, physical style. Secondly, nowhere does it say that Novgorod was a non-Slavic city. And someone here had a point- Rus was not named anything prior to Rus. Fairy tale? Someone is either brain damaged or delusional. Our mythology has been around forever, and is loved by much of Europe. Your Russian contention is an idiot's complex.
Кстати, Золотая орда это было милитаризированное государство, и основной ударной единицей были славяне( русские, казаки и пр.) С приходом Романовых в XVII веке историю переписывали. Мы небыли под игом, мы и были игом.
@M0rtalDEATH888 с вики кремль в переводе с монгольского - крепость, да и не было в Киеве кремля, и быть не могло, так как это из другой культуры, с монгольской, не со славянской. У нас в Киеве, никто никогда не называл Золотые ворота частью кремля- никогда. Так что учите мат.часть
В украинской? А ничего, что Кремли на Руси в основном в домонгольский период были? А после монгол остался лишь 1 в Москве? Был Кремль и в Киеве, когда он ещё не хохлотизированным был. Ты мне покажи Кремли у монгол. Вот шаровары у тюрков - факт. Да ваш Киев только недавно отстроен после монгольского ига.
Украина - земли тюркских народов с тюркской культурой
@M0rtalDEATH888 " Ты мне покажи Кремли у монгол. " Аха ха КАЗАНЬ))) На Руси не было кремлей(Полоцк, Киев, Чернигов)))))) "Украина - земли тюркских народов с тюркской культурой" Украина, так же ак и Беларусь, земли русской(славянской) культуры, у нас даже язык на 80% идентичен, а Россия поместь угро-финов и монголо-татар, от суда и кремли, теремки, балалайки, лапти, пельмени и МАТРЕШКИ))). Да и если мы хохлы, то вы кацапы (обозначение этих слов ты я надеюсь знаеш)))))
Ни крепость, а Кремли! В украине с половцами может и не было, а вот в Смоленске, Новгороде, Пскове, Владимире Кремли были даже во времена раздробленности. Ты за хохляндию говори. Ты мне скажи - какие славяне на ваших землях жили?половцы, печенеги, хазары? даа, славяне... У вас язык с польской примесью. О, ну все к своим мифам причислил, компенсируешь комплекс того, что у укров кроме тюркской культуры и сала НИЧЕГО нет? У вас половина укрослов - тюркские!
@M0rtalDEATH888 Так све по порядку, Смоленск, Новгород и Псков попали под московию(тоесть мнголо-угрский народ), и затем там появились кремли, Полоцк не попал, и естественно кремли там не появились. Наш мова(язык)на 80% идентична беларусской, и если наша мова польская то и по логике вешей беларуссая должна быть тоже польская, но вот на деле все по другому))).
По твоему кто земли Руси собирал, которые Кыыв так успешно развалил и родне из монголов отдал! Кремли как раз после монголов и перестали строить, они в ДОМОНГОЛЬСКИЙ период преимущественно строились. Кремли и в Полоцке были, даун и в Минске. Ваша мова на 20% идентична славянской - остальное - польские, автро-венгерские, тюркские словечки. Самого слова "мова" у славян нет! укрояз и беларусский - полонизированный русский.P.S. Не гони на беларусский язык, он мне этнический, за мову ответь
открываем переводчик гугл и пишем слово язык, ставим перевод украинский, беларуский, польский - и имеем слово мова, и это славянские языки, так шо за3.14 делся ты монголоид бу га га
По поводу Полоцка - то почему же там кремлей не осталось, ведь монголы, то есть вы туда не дошли))) а они исчезли, а в Казани и мааскве есть- бу га га.
А по московии и Руси, то не обязательно смотреть карты ВКЛ, можно смотреть и англ, гол, исп, франц карты 16 столетия))) так шо учись)))
СТАВИМ СЕРБСКИЙ, болгарский - язык, ставим чешский, словенский - jazyk.ПЕРЕВОДИМ НА ПОЛЬСКИЙ (КАК ТЫ) - Język. яУЖ НЕ ЗНАЮ, ГДЕ ТЫ ИСКАЛ... а беларусы у вас переняли из-за тесного сожительства с хохлотюркскими воами
Деревянные кремли тебе что, окаменеть должны. Зайди на Вики, посмотри, где они остались
Хорошая идея. Где-нибудь на картах есть слово "украина"?
@M0rtalDEATH888 Во первых я не где не писал что нету слово язык, ты писал. Тоесть ктото 3.14дел, по польскому будет мова, и не надо ляля. А слово Украина на старых картах ты не найдеш, так как оно появилось только в 18 веке, до этого была Русь. так что расслабся и получай удовольствие.
кацапенок, что от вас принимать славянского, если вы не славяне, а угро-фины и монголо-татары. Да, в укр языке есть слово язык, так же как и в польском, только это анатомический язык(который во рту). И не ты ли писал, что наш язык ополячен))) а 3.14дун? ну а вот тебе пару видео по поводу мовы и языка /watch?v=o7ZH-wUk6jk /watch?v=TENnOOS1Hhc
И это мне заявляет тюрк! Надень шаровары и давай факты. Посмотри на круглые рожи своей родни явно отыметой тюркскими хохлопами. В укроязе есть слово "язык"? Да у вас более 4000 тюркских слов. Всё, что вы не от Русских переняли - тюркские слова! Ваш язык сначала славяне (русские) из тюркского создавали, потом поляки ассимилировали, ну и на последок австро-венгры хуй воткнули. Историю знать надо, хохлоп!
Вот у генетиков и спрашиваем - у вас только и есть, что тюркская кровь, а вот примесей славян у вас мало.Кстати, молодец... У нас на Кваказе где-то наций 100 тюркских и что, их земли ведь не занимают 90% нашей территории как земли хазар и половцев земли украины
У жителей степей тюркских генов мало, культуры - тоже! Ты посмотри кто на ваших землях века,эдак, до 14 жил - одни тюрки. И откуда там вдруг славяне нарисовались?
Если не на Кавказе, то где ты тюрков в России нашел, горячий тюркский парень?
А ничего, что эти "десятки" монголоидных "рас" (выучи что такое раса - их всего 3) всего процентов 20% от населения России и с Русскими они не смешиваются в отличии от куда-то девшихся коренных народов украинских степей.
До 16-го века в Америке тоже одни индейцы жили. Это же не доказывает, что современные американцы имеют хоть какую-нибудь принадлежность к индейцам. Никакого. Никакого сходства у украинцев с тюркскими народами тоже нет.
А где это ты на кавказе нашёл десяток тюркским народов?Собственную страну не знаешь - зато остальных учишь как им жить.
Если ты так не любишь тюрков - так проедься по Родине в Татарстан и обьясни им кто они и что они. Сразу всё поймёшь.
"У нас на Кваказе где-то наций 100 тюркских и что, их земли ведь не занимают 90% нашей территории как земли хазар и половцев земли украины" - твои слова?Отвечай за базар.
@M0rtalDEATH888 Про наши комплексы- ты посмотри старые карты ВКЛ и увидеш что оно состояло из трех княжеств литовское(литвины)-современные беларусы, русское(русины)-современные украинцы, и жморийское - современые литовцы, ну и увидеш как называлася современноя кацапия - МОСКОВИЯ. так что образовывайся угро-монгол, и начинай уважать своих предков, а мы будем своих. Не стоит приписывать себе чужую историю, учите свою. На этом мой урок истории для тебя закончен. ВЕЛИКИЙ ты наш бу га га
Сколько награбила литва, столько и поназывла. Яи говорю,что укры - это полонизированные русские на тюркских землях. Кроме выкидышей ржачипосполитой термин Московия никто не использовал. укро-монгол, да, с географией у тебя так же херово как и с историей, то укры не тюрки, то фины с монголами рядом прям жили. Вот правильно сказал - учи свою 20-летнюю историю воровства и попрошайничества, жалкий укр
Слово «кремль» впервые появляется в летописи под 1317 годом как «кремник». Есть неск]]ько версий его происхождения. Одна связывает слово «кремль» с греческим словом «кремнос», имеющего значение «крутизна, ктая гора над берегом
Другая версия - «кремль» словами «кремник» в значении «крепость внутри города» и «кромьство»
В толковом сваре живого великорусского языка» Вдимираль дал целый ряд своеобразных тематических параллелей изиалектнолексики: «кремлевник» — «хвойный с
russia is called "rus'", "russian state" and "russian country" in his chronicles. try to read it, i know thats hard for you. there is no word about the state ukraine.
now, the discussion is ended, because
EVERYTHING you said before, are saying or will say is a lie or a completely wrong interpretation of historic facts!
@monarchist92 actually there appears to be no end in sight for your misinformation - I have told you before many times Nestor's Rus is not Russia - it does not translate to Russia and Nestor never used the word Russia - you are typical narrow minded product of Soviet Regime - and Russia is not called Rus you moron
@majorgeeek kiss my ass piece of shit. You, moron, I made it clear that the word entered Russia under Peter the Great as a Greek word Interpretation Russ. In fact, even now, Russia = Russ. So suck your dick to you have a mind. Therefore, by itself Nestor did not write the word Russia.
@0Russia0 the Greek word "Rosia" is not Rus and there is no such word as "Russ" - Nestor never mentioned Russia since it did not exist - therefore Rus is not Russia - this is obvious even to 5th grader - judging by your lack of knowledge and swearing you have lost whatever argument you thought you have had
@0Russia0 you idiot - Rus is not Russia - you overlook simple fact that Rus is not Russia - in fact Russian Slavs are not even native to Russia - your swearing means you have lost your argument? long ago
@majorgeeek majorgeek whats ur argument??? i dont get it.. we russians came from the moon?
majorgeek i see that ur 1 hell of a majorgeek but you're wrong. technically theres no such a thing as a Russian slavs. Russians were a Germanic tribe who got washed by Slavs from the Western lands from carpaths, while they got washed them selfs by the Goths, Vandals(other germanic tribe) thats why there are 2 major sub groups in europe, Slavs and Germanics, yet same shit different smell.
@RusBodybuilder the Rus or Vikings of 8C were not Russian - Russia did not exist and Rus is not Russia - Slavs already existed in Ukraine around Kiev etc - the Slavs developed from ProtoSlavic group in central Europe and Ukraine - Russian Slavs migrated from these regions into Russia around Medieval times therefore Russian Slavs are not native to lands called Russia
Порадовало, что звучит один из вариантов "Песни к Элберет". А то придурки разные гордо именуют себя "русскими орками".
vonKondr 5 months ago
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VendPrekmurec 6 months ago
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VendPrekmurec 6 months ago
@VendPrekmurec So easy to recognise that you know nothing. You even seemed to be stupid... Sorry... Russians are one of the purest Europeans, Slavonian people. Culturally they belong to North-East Europeans (Slavic heritage, Orthodoxy faith) and genetically they have some background by Scandinavian and Finnish, only in thr North. Centre and South of their inhabitat are fully Slavic (Also cossacks in the south)
IIIZEPHYROSIII 5 months ago
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VendPrekmurec 5 months ago
@IIIZEPHYROSIII There aren't any "purest" Europeans. Old Scandinavians were Slavs or Veneti, that were mixing with Goths and became what are they today... The same was with Suomi people who arrived into current Venea and became "Ven" or "Finn"s
VendPrekmurec 5 months ago
@IIIZEPHYROSIII you use Ad hominem and ad ignorantian empty arguments - you even don't know what i was talking about. You are a moron.
VendPrekmurec 5 months ago
@VendPrekmurec Look who's talking for ur information i'm so aware of such points (antropology, history, genesis and so on) what is your nationality?
IIIZEPHYROSIII 5 months ago
@IIIZEPHYROSIII i was arguing with some guy about Kozaks. He believed that this is "Tatar"(aka Turk) origin. I was trying to explain that Kozaks were Tartars(has nothing to do with Tatar) (Slavs) or Scynthians.
VendPrekmurec 5 months ago
@VendPrekmurec Ok sorry i must have been misunderstood. Anyways Kozaks were war-like Turkish tribes (different names) mixed with Slavic and other peoples. By the way Russian neighbours - Scandinavians (Dannish, Norwegian, Swedes) were formed from Gellions tribes that were living in Scandinavia and Germany and spoke in Old-Germanic languages. Goths used to live a little way from Visla (East Germany) Russian nation was formed from Kriviches, Dragoviches, Vjatiches, Ilmen slovens, Radimiches tribes
IIIZEPHYROSIII 5 months ago
@IIIZEPHYROSIII "Konstantinople" in current Istambul was Slavic city Tsarigrad or "City of Tsar". There was a war between "Jewish"( Osirian) Sanhendrin, under Isaak Angelos who fought against Slavic emperor Andronicus Komnim (who was still in old Slavic "christian" - native faith). The Komnin was executed and became new "Christ-os"- this happened in 11th century AD. There was no "jesus on a cross" before that era.
In the same time 1. Torah was written (today known as Leningrad Codex) and history
VendPrekmurec 5 months ago
@VendPrekmurec Tsarograd is Slavic or Rus name for Constantinople but Constantinople was never a Slavic city - if you have reference or evidence that says otherwise then please list it
majorgeeek 4 months ago
@IIIZEPHYROSIII was perverted. Slavs are biblical "Gog and "Magog". A plague to jews or their biggest enemies.
VendPrekmurec 5 months ago
@IIIZEPHYROSIII also back to "Turks". The "Khan" was old slavic general or Kniaz (prince) in times of war. From this came "Kaganat" as a territory. The Knez or Kniaz was a prince or civilian ruler. His territory was called Kniazhestvo, Knezhestvo. The Slavs divided territories into "provinces" or principalities, where every prince was like king. This was done because they did not want to make some tribe too much powerful and above others. Slavs were democrats lived under law called Rota.
VendPrekmurec 5 months ago
@VendPrekmurec Yeah you're smart. Kniashestvo is our word means "principality" Showing me your knowledge of our history and our ancestors in general you probably meant Old Rus' (Russia) You were absolutely right you described life of Russian principalities of about111-13 century. We are Norh-Eastern Slavs. We were pagans but Greek christianity faith were brought in fact in 988 AD with the help of our ruler Wolodimir. West Slavs differ from us in many things. So as i suppose you like Slavs.
IIIZEPHYROSIII 5 months ago
@IIIZEPHYROSIII Rus were a Slavic (Venetic) tribe, also called "Slovinci" - also compare with "Slovenci" (Slovaks, Slovenes - all from Venetic (west Slavic) ancestry. Their territory was called Venea (from which comes also current Suomi ("finnic") word "Fin-land"(finland) or Ven-Land (land of Vends or Veneti). I don't want to go into nationalistic discussion here, but so it was in ancient times. Slavs were democrats - they allowed other people with different language to live among them.
VendPrekmurec 5 months ago
@VendPrekmurec . Поосторожней с ним - забьет. И будет прав. Только выйдя на его уровень по знаниям, и по интеллекту, из Вашего спора выйдет толк.
pskovityanin 4 months ago
@IIIZEPHYROSIII There existed another Slavic Venetic tribe called VAGRI - elite Venetic warriors, living near Sweden ("swen+den"- veneti again + Den = tribes of Don (Dontsi) - river Don) in SkandiNavia -"skandi" was probably an ancient unknown prince and "Navia" means "lower" (territory).
Second name of "Vagrians" were Variagi or Variags - "The Vikings". But Variags weren't any "Vikings", because Vikings were from Jarl Swedish Gothic tribes; sea robbers and mercenaries.
VendPrekmurec 5 months ago
@IIIZEPHYROSIII Variags became rulers of Rus Slavic tribes. The capital city of Variags was Stargrad (Grad in ancient venetic times was called "Gard") which means "old city". Their new city became "Novogorod" or "new city".
VendPrekmurec 5 months ago
@IIIZEPHYROSIII you can check this by Gothic historian Adam von Bremen (about "Vagri" - Variags)
VendPrekmurec 5 months ago
@VendPrekmurec. That my last message was addreessed not to you, but, on the contrary, to your new opponent.
pskovityanin 4 months ago
@IIIZEPHYROSIII you can check this by Gothic historian Adam von Bremen
VendPrekmurec 5 months ago
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@IIIZEPHYROSIII Поосторожней с ним - забьет. И будет прав. Только выйдя на его уровень по знаниям, и по интеллекту, из Вашего спора выйдет толк.
pskovityanin 4 months ago
@IIIZEPHYROSIII Goths arrived into current Germany in 10th century AD. Berlin was Venetic (Slavic) Berlo or Berlog (Bear's lair - ber (bear) was also second slavic word for med-ved - the one who knows honey), Brandenburg was Branibor,...
Germans also later called their territory as "Prussia" - which means after russia. Term "Rus" comes from Slavic word "Rost" which means "to grow up" - since a child (Rasa, Tabula Rasa)
VendPrekmurec 5 months ago
@VendPrekmurec The overwhelming majority of scientists assert that the word "Kozak" is taken from the Turkish languages of Khazars and other Turkish tribes that used to occupy 90% of the modern Ukraine and were living there until Russian kniazes (princes) from Novgorod (Holmgard) took over Kiev (ex-fortress of Khazar Kaganat) and expanded to the south. Also Scythians weren'r "pure" Slavs. They lived next to Slavs but it's the controversial point to discuss there's no a certain opinion.
IIIZEPHYROSIII 5 months ago
@VendPrekmurec Ukrainian culture is full of Turkish atributes, it proved by scientists and they are really mixed. People from "okraina" Okraina means suburbs, border, edge, outskirts. Kozaks are of the Turkish origin. It's just a fact. There were some cruel, edgy, warlike, freedom-loving, strong and invincible warriors from the Central-Asia they were basically nomads and liked moving to some different lands finding home. Gradually they started mixing with Slavs living on the edge (Ukraine)
IIIZEPHYROSIII 5 months ago
@IIIZEPHYROSIII "it proved by scientists " which "scientists". ? Give me references. Also these "Scientists" don't speak Slavic language (never did) - the slavic history was written with subjective (nationalistic) and religious tones since 17th century by Gothic "germanic",Jewish, Italian and Greek. Russian history, Ukrainian history and all slavic history was absorbed into Torahic Jesuitic "history" (after Josephus and Julius Scaliger) and after Teutons wiped out old Venets(Slavs) in Germany...
VendPrekmurec 5 months ago
@IIIZEPHYROSIII This is pure nonsense... Slavs lived also on current territory of Turkey (also old Paflagonian Veneti or Homer's Enedae (without letter V) in Troy (3) or Ilios (without V - Vilios - Veles city) were Slavs also )
The "historians" love to interpret the Tartarian (Scynthian) history as "turk". They ignore ancient historians, ancient maps, toponymes, hydronames; also about related term "Mongol" which was perverted (in Byzantium by Sanhendrin)from old Greek "Mogul" (Mogochny- "great")
VendPrekmurec 5 months ago
@IIIZEPHYROSIII Okraina does not mean border - it is derived from Kpau or Kraj which means country, land or edge - Ukraina is not borderland but name of land or province(s) within Rus - there is not much if any Turkish genetics in Slav genotype - Turks had small impact on Ukrainian on Slavic ethnicity -
majorgeeek 4 months ago
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VendPrekmurec 6 months ago
RUSSIA - A BIG AND BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY ! LITTLE ROMANIA IS BY YOUR SIDE.
MrRomania333 6 months ago
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VendPrekmurec 6 months ago
Наше прошлое - величественно, наше настоящее - не очень.
kenstarr2009 6 months ago
@kenstarr2009 Почему Щас всем не легко а у нас я бы даже сказал не заметно
SlavaSvarogu 6 months ago
Русь единая, Русь непобедимая!!!!
Iamsky15 6 months ago
there is no such place called "Old Russia" - Russia did not exist during Medieval period or even after - also Rus is not Russia and modern Russian Slavs arre not native to Russian land
majorgeeek 6 months ago
@majorgeeek and please stop talking to me. Your disgusting prejudice and degrading comments are not only annoying and tactless, but they only make you look more evil. I feel sorry for you. There will come a day when you understand everything. You see, age does not mean wisdom. Wisdom comes with realization. When you find that balance, you will understand that not everything is the way the world wants us to think...
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@RussianStarchild I said Rus is not Russia and I also said Russian Slavs are not native to Russia - If you cannot argue factually which seems to be the case then I suggest you stop your inane accusations, rantings, ravings and swearing and refer to your doctor for assistance - you sound like a product of deviant defunct Soviet Regime, probably you wear red undies and jackboots as well???
majorgeeek 7 months ago
@majorgeeek хазарянин. какая тебе разница Россия Русь или не Россия? Ты лучше побеспокойся за свои аваро-хазаро-печенего-половце-татаро-тюркско-адыго-черкесские корни и не лезь в чужую историю ты к ней тем более не относишься.
0Russia0 6 months ago
@0Russia0 the simple answer you require is that Rus is not Russia - that's why
majorgeeek 6 months ago
@majorgeeek так просто быть таким дибилом как мажорчик и сказать просто "Русь не Россия" это же не сложно =)))))
0Russia0 6 months ago
@0Russia0 "Русь не Россия" or Rus is not Russia - happy ??
majorgeeek 6 months ago
@majorgeeek еще раз напиши.
0Russia0 6 months ago
@majorgeeek and judging by your ignorance, blind foolery, and hate, YOU are the real byproduct of the Soviet regime, because the Soviet regime was designed to separate Ukrainian people as a second class, and killed millions of Russians because of people like you. You believe in enemies because it is all in your head. You don't deserve to represent our people. You deserve to be ashamed of yourself. I'm just a 19 year old girl who lives in two countries- and I see things with a clear mind.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@majorgeeek my "rants" have more grounds than yours will ever have. Your profile shows what kind of a poisonous, hateful Ukrainian nationalist you are, blaming the Russian people for something they didn't do, and trying to lie about history. I love Ukraine for the same people and the same history, and half of my ancestry lived there. My grandfather is a Ukrainian geneticist who proved my belief- and my belief is simply the same as millions of people know.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@majorgeeek most mainstream studies are propagated by ignorant historians who take money to their best interest, while real historians that are not necessarily Russian try to find true facts. If there were mostly males, the flux of births would not be so steady. There are two sides of experts, and yours by far is not the strongest. Quit inventing more bullshit and go suck a cock, because that's what you are- a 30 year something mental sucker that argues with young people who seek truth.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@RussianStarchild once again your ravings about Slavic history do not agree with the mainstream body of historic fact - your ideas are mostly deviant, groundless and you have not offered one shred of evidence to disprove that Russian Slavs are not native to Russia - either change your medication or your doctor
majorgeeek 8 months ago
@majorgeeek Oh, and who do you think you are to teach people this bullshit? Who the fuck gave you the power to condemn normal people like me insane? I'm simply stating facts that I learned through many intelligent people, while you go and pour shit on everything. You know who loves people like you? The handful of shits in charge of the government. They love to divide and conquer, that's why there is hatred between the same brother nations. You're a mainstream sheep fucked in the head. Sad.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@RussianStarchild your "facts" about Slavic history do not agree with mainstream studies - most history sources support the notion that Slavs developed and emerged in region central to Poland-Ukraine-Belarus and not Russia - the lands now belonging to Russian Federation were seeded with migratory Slavic people (mostly males) as mitochondrial studies have shown - hence my statement - Russian Slavs are not native to Russia - good luck with your medication
majorgeeek 8 months ago
@majorgeeek you're attacking my ideas because you know you are wrong. Medication? Please, take that stick out of your ignorant ass. They aren't called "Balts". They are Slavs that mixed with Saxonic and Germanic groups. Rus is in history whether you like it or not, and while you sit there fuming about how everyone who is right is crazy, people laugh at you. "Russian Slavs are not native to Russia"- by George you're fucking stupid.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@majorgeeek and get it through your thick skull that you're disputing my evidence by denying that Finns, Scandinavians and Slavs come from the same R1a gene holder, their ancestor. If you continue to ignore the facts, you will think your theory is more truthful than the proof that many hold against you. And remember- Rus is the true name of Russia (<--the latter political name). I have genetics, ancestry, archaeology, family roots on my side. You have a delusional claim to fame. Doubt? Not so.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@RussianStarchild the R1a gene is marker for Slavic culture not Baltic - this gene separates Slavs from the Balts - Archaim is not early Slavic settlement - Rus is not the true name of Russia - Russian Slavs are not native to Russia - it would seem Russia's history may in fact be made up and very doubtful - the best scientific thing you could do is double your medication
majorgeeek 8 months ago
@majorgeeek the archaeological evidence recently discovered in the northeastern territory of modern Russia, of the city known as Archaim, which dates back to the B.C. eras shows presence of Slavic life long before Kiev even existed. This proves that early Slavic civilization had migrated from the northern zones before, and left the land unoccupied when the Velikaya Stuzha (Great Cold, aka the climate shift I mentioned) occurred.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@majorgeeek and another thing, the Slavs of the Volga region come from a lineage of the Rus-Finn group that had more than likely separated after the common ancestor, then mixed again, or is simply the same group of two. This group had been known to exist longer than the southern Slavic strains.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@RussianStarchild Archaeological excavations in Novgorod found cultural layers dating back only to the late 10th century - mostly early Finn - this is great contradiction and compared to Kiev inception around 400AD conforms with history of early Slavic tribes scattered around the Dnipro basin and Kiev heartland which of course is Ukraine - it would seem Russia's early history is much in doubt? - scientific enough for you???
majorgeeek 8 months ago
@majorgeeek, -which also shows that Slavs were not originally from the area you claim they are. Even the clothing and attitude towards weather is the same. Slavs in the Volga region had also been there long before The word Ukraine existed. They called the land Rus. Russia formed when The Romanovs infiltrated and changed policies. Ukraine is a word older than Russia but younger than Rus.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@majorgeeek, and allow me to educate a moron: mythology is a great historical source of information that is used to interpret a culture and locations and customs. Kiev, Kievskaya Rus, and Ukraine were never mentioned in the old Slavic mythology. Folklore is told by folk, why would they lie about it? Rus, however, its northern lands and colder winters, forests, wildlife are always mentioned in myths. This accounts for the geographical locale that is NOT like the rich Ukraine black soil steppe -
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@majorgeeek, -such as Novrogod in the north, which was ruled by Rurik's successor Oleg. The 10th century Chronicle, however, is a later interpolation which means that the city was older than presumed, for it had already been a trade route between Rus and Byzantium, and Byzantine history refers to it a lot. Kiev was a separate Slavic city that was later taken by Oleg. And Novgorod is mentioned in Norse legends as the Slavic people are too, but primarily these people made no difference from them!
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@majorgeeek, you're disputing science with an empty claim. And OF COURSE KYIV is a Slavic name, but it is not the oldest city to date made by Slavs! The oldest big city according to official history was Veliky Novgorod, even the stupid Chronicles first mention is in the 7th or 8th century (Sophia Chronicles). When Slavs spread from the Northeast due to the climate change, they did so in large numbers that split into smaller groups. Thus formed the smaller colonies that later formed into towns-
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@majorgeeek -which has been long considered an insult to Slavic and Northern cultures. These foreigners said the same thing about Norwegians and Swedes, who fought for their cultural history and saved it from being stained by such lies. I've met Norwegians, Finns, Swedes in person, and it turns out we share MANY things in culture that no other ethnicity shares with us. And these things are older than migratory patterns. Even Ukraine saved elements that relate it to northern cultures.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@majorgeeek -it was composed in the same city of Novgorod which you said was not Slavic. If genes prove Slavs and Scandinavians were the same ancestor that inhabited the northern lands, why dispute that with some FOREIGN Chronicles that do not speak for Slavs? The book of Veles was composed by Slavic scholars and is being called a fake by foreigners because they find it an inconvenient truth. They embarrassed themselves in saying that western Europe came and educated us, and made us human.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@RussianStarchild the R1a gene did not originate in the north - Slavs and Scandanavians do not have common ancestor - the word Ukraina is Slavic word for Slavic lands and provinces that surrounded Kiev or Kyiv since before medieval times - Ukraina is also more appropriate name since it wasn't really the land of the Rus but the land of the Slavs especially since the Ruricid monachy became assimilated totally into the Slavic culture
majorgeeek 8 months ago
@majorgeeek The R1a gene migration originated in the north of an area formerly called Midgard (the name was mentioned in the Book of Veles among 'starover' documents). This area was composed of the ancestors of Scandinavia, Rus, and the younger lands that Slavs inhabit. They migrated southward due to an impending cold climate change recorded in the document, and spread south and to Europe. There was no Ukraina until Slavs came and formed it centuries later-
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@majorgeeek that was one outdated study, the updated proof that this theory is wrong is that Russian Slavs did not come from any central region, but in fact migrated from a more northern area closer to the White Sea, much earlier than thought. They then spread throughout the European side of Rus (although evidence shows that they went much farther east too). DUH Rus is not Russia, but it is indicated that Rus thrived in the same zone. You keep changing your views.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@RussianStarchild no changes in my views? - once again you are making more irrelevant comments - the genetic studies (plural) are not outdated but confirm the migration east of marker genes which indicate Slavs not native in Russia
majorgeeek 8 months ago
@majorgeeek And bullshit me one more time, I will only find more evidence for your spiteful lying. You and your "Chronicles" can go to hell for all I care; there are many more historic documents predating the word "Ukraine" that mention Rus under its prior names. The people that lived there were the same Slavs as Ukrainians, Russians, Scandinavians, Baltic citizens, etc. Genealogy goes a long way, so stfu.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@RussianStarchild no denial - I am assuming you can read - if you care to read my comments I said Kyivskaya Rus did not exist prior medieval times - I did not say Rus did not exist - I said Rus is not Russia - genetic mitochondrial studies in Slavs confirm Russian slavs migrated from region central to Ukraine - hence Russian slavs are not native to Russia - you comments are too stupid to warrant intelligent replies
majorgeeek 8 months ago
@majorgeeek your denial just embarrassed you; I quote here the earlier comment you posted: "Chronicles which describe years gone mentioned Ukraina in1168 which extends the concept the name Ukraina must have been well in use for hundreds of years prior - Russia is not Rus - I believe you live in your ancient Rus fairy tale and folklore world of myth"
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@majorgeeek - bullshit. Your earlier comments clearly mention Russian mythology being a fairy tale, Rus not existing (by means of saying there were no Slavs on the land) and Rus history actually being Ukraine history. WTF? Are you serious? And of course it didn't appear in the "Chronicles"- Because Rus aka Rassenya was under the name Great Tartary- a name that mistakenly refers to Tartaria, when in reality it covered more than area. This was proven by European researchers themselves.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@majorgeeek added by historians? The Chronicles are not the original historical documents speaking for Rus and Ukraine. Kievskaya Rus was a name existent when Kiev was a major ruling city. What else are you aware of? Your arrogant ignorance? I hate to say this but I find you no better than Hitler who attempted to say exactly the same shit about Rus being a big fictionalized story. It was under his nose. And it was another reason he was condemned by people, lest he should lie about them too.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@RussianStarchild you sound more like Hitler - just listen to yourself?? - I did not say Rus was fiction - I wrote Kievskaya Rus does not appear in Chronicles or any text prior from Medieval period - The historians added Kievskaya later - specify the reference if I am wrong - I also said Ukraina was 1st recorded in 1168 Chronicles and therefore the name must have been in use by Ukrainians prior that date - i also said Rus is not Russia or the original name for Russia -
majorgeeek 8 months ago
@majorgeeek I'm somewhat ashamed to have originated from the same ethnic group as you. If that's where you even came from. Ukrainian and Russian people are basically two flowers of the same stem. But infringing the already decimated and twisted into lie history of Rus is stupid, cruel and sick. I'd feel sorry for you, but there are too many of you who want to turn everything into a fat lie. Ukraine is a nation too, but it is no different than many Slavic branches. Quit the superiority complex...
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@RussianStarchild the name " KIEVSKAYA RUSJ" did not appear in the Chronicles - as far as I am aware the title Kyivskaya was added by historians not prevent to confusion Ukraine's history with Russian
majorgeeek 8 months ago
@majorgeeek - And by Ukrainian people I mean people with linguistic expertise, not another moron on Youtube who posts pretentious remarks degrading another's country, but knows NOTHING about it except how to brain fart and poke his/her eyes out just to be a blind fool. Could you get ANY more delusional? You know what? I don't care anymore, there are many idiots that will stand their ground by making shit go down; unfortunately I categorized you as one of them.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@majorgeeek - quit being a moron and READ my comments. I didn't say that it came from Khersones, I said there was an OUTPOST on the territory of Crimea when Ukraine formed, mixing the ethnicities. Let me break it down for a moron. UKRAINA= U KRAIA, U=at Kraiya=edge with modified suffix, has NOTHING to do with mother or sister. Again, WHO proves this? The Ukrainians. And RUS was always mother rus. And it was called KIEVSKAYA RUSJ because that was the name of the entire area, including Ukraine.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@RussianStarchild you are obviously an expert at "being a moron" ? - your garble is pretentious nonsense - word Ukraina first recorded in reedited version of Chronicles 1168 and therefore I said it is fair and reasonable to assume the word Ukraina must have been used prior that date - hence my statement that there is viable alternate name for Rus - Rus is Viking word? likely - but Slavs native to wooded steppes of Ukraine/Poland/Belarus not Russia also have/had their own name(s).
majorgeeek 8 months ago
А если вы решите сного завести спор с примесями мата в сторону своих братьев, то знайте что Русь зародилась не в Киеве, даже не на земле современной Украины. Я лишь хочу сказать что не нужно спорить, а вспомнить, вернуть и укрепить единство Русов и всех славян.
B1sher 8 months ago
@B1sher ura, i eshe raz ura)
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
Сейчас Украинцы любят кричать что Русь-это они, Русские мол тут совершенно не имеют никакого отношения:)Так друзья знайте, что Русь-это мы.МЫ-восточные славяне имеем одни корни и в праве гордиться нашей ОБЩЕЙ историей.Общей прошлой и я не сомневаюсь что и будущей историей.
B1sher 8 months ago
Мы все - русские, как киевляне, так и москвичи.
Anti4True3VostokUkr 8 months ago
Principality of Pereyaslavl' btw, did not include Kiev, and was just one among many principalities that composed Rus'.
UncleVanya21 9 months ago
The Kniaz' that ruled in Moscow starting with Vassily the 2nd in 1425 had the title of 'Great Kniaz of all of Rus'"
UncleVanya21 9 months ago
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majorgeeek 9 months ago
@majorgeeek You mean the Hypatian Codex, which was written somewhere around 1425. There was no alternative name to Rus' in the bygone years, and nothing you have presented has proven otherwise. Ukraine is not Rus', and neither is Russia in the direct sense, they are all nations that came forward as a result of the dissolution of Rus', and all have their historical roots in Rus'. That is a historical fact, which every historian agrees with, aside from the pseudo-historians from Lvov.
UncleVanya21 9 months ago
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UncleVanya21 9 months ago
@majorgeeek I went ahead and looked up the text in the Hypatian codex, and the mention of the word Ukraine. You are correct, the word Ukraine was mentioned, but it was mentioned to describe the Principality of Pereslavl', which existed between 11th and 14th century. He called it so because it was a borderland between lands of Rus' and nomadic tribes.
UncleVanya21 9 months ago
@UncleVanya21 In the same codex we can also find this: «В наши украины и на наши городы войною учнутъ ходити», clearly stating that there were multiple Ukraines aka multiple lands referred to as Ukraina, aka outlying land.
UncleVanya21 9 months ago
@majorgeeek And Ukraina means at the edge. Ukraine developed when more than one ethnicity began to settle there, and it was not Slavic alone. It was after a branch of the Slavs traveled south and met with Mediterranean culture (the Greeks of Khersones, the outpost of the Crimea). And how the fuck did you get "an alternative" name out of Rus? Man even the most ignorant historian will tell you how stupid you are, because that is where Slavs originated from. More evidence? Genetic origin.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
@RussianStarchild the name Ukraina was not derived from Khersones or Krim - the edge meaning is more Russian but Russia did not exist during Rus so no edge to speak of - Ukraina has many meanings but the original meaning as derived from the Chronicles means my land or piece of land - as interpreted 1168 - since the name Ukraina was documented in Chronicles, therefore it is fair and reasonable to assume it was commonly in use well before that date by ancient ethnic native Rus Ukrainians
majorgeeek 8 months ago
Russia is the successor state of Rus', people living in Russia are in their majority (80%) of Slavic ethnicity. Those are the facts, everything else is a product of majorgeeek's delirium which isn't backed up by anything other than his repetitive lies.
UncleVanya21 9 months ago
@javernulsia the Turks were not a permanent feature in Ukraine same as for Poles, Mongols, huns etc - these were enemies of the native Slavs of Ukraine, Cossacks eventually drove these parasites from Ukraine traditional territory to become the Slav nation it is today - the genetic arguments do not support your contention in any way and you need to do more reading in this complicated area rather than presenting small collection of gene evidence which serves absolutely no purpose at all -
majorgeeek 10 months ago
@javernulsia The Turks were nomadic not native to Ukraine they visited Ukraine from 7 to 11C while the Slavs, Slavic culture and Slavonic language is native to Ukraine and developed mainly in the central Dnipro heartland and Kyiv - actually if you correctly read DNA tests show even bigger divisions between north and South Russians apart from the Ukrainian genotype
majorgeeek 10 months ago
Rus and Russia are not the same - Rus is Rus and Russia is not Rus - and you are misguided product of Soviet Regime
majorgeeek 10 months ago
@majorgeeek Soviet regime created modern Ukraine. Tadeusz Czacki, Polish-Ukrainian historian argued that "ukrainians come from the ukrs, a horde from beyond the Volga". None of the Russian chronicles ever mention ukraine as a state, only as a territory. National history can be traced through folklore, and ukrainian epic stories are all about Cossacks, which is late 16th century at its earliest: ancient Rus fairy tales and folklore are alive in Russia. Russia is the inheritor of that memory.
RussianKostya 9 months ago in playlist Russia
@RussianKostya Soviet Regime almost destroyed Ukraine, repressed its population, murdered millions of innocent Ukrainians and deported millions to make room for worthless Katsaps in the East - so your created Ukraine contention is idiotic - Chronicles which describe years gone mentioned Ukraina in1168 which extends the concept the name Ukraina must have been well in use for hundreds of years prior - Russia is not Rus - I believe you live in your ancient Rus fairy tale and folklore world of myth
majorgeeek 9 months ago
@majorgeeek territorially Ukraine was created by the USSR, otherwise i personally do not mind at all if modern Ukraine goes back to its 1654 border, with no Crimea or southeastern provinces. Chronicles never ever refered to ukraine as a statehood. As a matter of fact there are several "ukraines" to be found there, depending upon which state Russia bordered, it is just a territorial name. Connection with the historic past can be proven through oral folklore, whether you accept it or not, LOL.
RussianKostya 9 months ago
@RussianKostya territorially? - currently Ukraine's territory is approximately one half of its former Kievan Rus - lets not forget Suzdal/Moscow principality were subservient to Kievan State as was the Krim - Krim never belonged to Russia including illegal annexations or "oral folklore" ? - give me a break -
majorgeeek 9 months ago
@majorgeeek Crimea was part of the Russian Empire and then RSFSR you idiot, handed over to Ukrainians by Kruschev.
UncleVanya21 9 months ago
@UncleVanya21 majorgeek is an idiot. He has not even read his own 'ukraniain' historians, LOL:))
RussianKostya 9 months ago
@RussianKostya Yeah...lohomor forevar...his stupidity is amusing though.
UncleVanya21 9 months ago
@UncleVanya21 I repeat - Russia illegally annexed Krim - regarding Russia's right to Krim it would greatly strenghten your argument to produce at least one international or even national document where this right is legally supported - Historic right of unclaimed territory falls away since Russia made acquisition of previously claimed territory - Russia has no right of claim - if it did it would have exercised that right long ago
majorgeeek 9 months ago
@majorgeeek There was no such thing as "illegal annexation" at the time Krim became part of the Russian Empire. There was such a thing as rule of the strong, and possession was 100% of law. So yes, Crimea was Russian and then RSFSR's to keep or give away, as it did under Kruschev ironically it was done in celebration of 300 years of unification of brotherly peoples. Not that Ukrainians can be considered brotherly, being a bunch of worthless, backstabbing, traitorous leeches.
UncleVanya21 9 months ago
@majorgeeek i can argue back that from 1166 Kiev was subservient to Suzdal/Vladimir, where the seat of the Grand Princes was, and before that to Novgorod where the Russian state started. Our ancestors never looked at Russia as a 'south' and 'north' dichotomy, or in terms of 'subservience', the power center shifted due to geopolitcal environment. If Russia's annexation of Crimea by force from the Ottomans was 'illegal', then ukraine has no claims to it at all - go back to your 1654 borders
RussianKostya 9 months ago
@RussianKostya perhaps your Russian ancestors or current plebs could get their noses out of books with hammer and sickle, might help? - Kiev was subservient only to Kiev - Novgorod was not Russian but Rus and is another example of Tsarist illegal annexation - Krim Turks always preferred unification with Ukraine to Moscow - principal of self determination cannot play role in Krim since resident Russians are not native to Krim - in fact Russian Slavs are not even native in Russia
majorgeeek 9 months ago
@majorgeeek You sir, are a complete and utter moron. There were several "ukraines" over the years, cause the word means "outlying lands" and never had any other meaning until 19th century. Russia is Rus', its most powerful successor state.
UncleVanya21 9 months ago
@UncleVanya21 The word Ukraina did not mean "outlying lands" as per Nestors Chronicles - Ukrainian language does not carry that meaning either - whatever it may mean in Russian is of no consequence since Russia did not even exist at that time - Russia did not succeed Rus - the Danielivichi had trouble annexing neighbouring Novgorod province let alone any of the other remaining 12 provinces - the right of succession went to Ukraine's Galicia and it did - so stop lying
majorgeeek 9 months ago
@majorgeeek You are the one lying, and you are repeating the same lies over and over and over, missing the fact just how much of a clown they make you look. Descendants of Rurik ruled in Moscow, as such the state created by Moscow is the successor state of Rus', thats a fact. Another fact is that Ukraine did not exist at the time of Rus'. As for the right of succession going to Galichina, thats a joke.
UncleVanya21 9 months ago
@majorgeeek First of all, Slavic culture stems from the same culture as the Nordic and Viking culture. You will see it in the ancient swastikas, clothing, traditions, physical style. Secondly, nowhere does it say that Novgorod was a non-Slavic city. And someone here had a point- Rus was not named anything prior to Rus. Fairy tale? Someone is either brain damaged or delusional. Our mythology has been around forever, and is loved by much of Europe. Your Russian contention is an idiot's complex.
RussianStarchild 8 months ago
Кстати, Золотая орда это было милитаризированное государство, и основной ударной единицей были славяне( русские, казаки и пр.) С приходом Романовых в XVII веке историю переписывали. Мы небыли под игом, мы и были игом.
qwertycxzz 10 months ago
ГАВНО
Il00OOll 11 months ago
@Il00OOll Все, что есть в голове, высказал одним словом. Красноречиво.
thfFromRussia 11 months ago
ну вы определитесь Russia или Rus, да и какое отношение к Руси имеют "кремли")))
duzhit 11 months ago
@duzhit
Кремли - это военные укрепления для защиты от набегов. Были во ВСЕХ городах Древней Руси ( в том числе и в Киеве)
Кстати, при переводе латинское окончание -ia отбрасывается. Вот и почитай наше название
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
@M0rtalDEATH888 с вики кремль в переводе с монгольского - крепость, да и не было в Киеве кремля, и быть не могло, так как это из другой культуры, с монгольской, не со славянской. У нас в Киеве, никто никогда не называл Золотые ворота частью кремля- никогда. Так что учите мат.часть
duzhit 11 months ago
@duzhit
В украинской? А ничего, что Кремли на Руси в основном в домонгольский период были? А после монгол остался лишь 1 в Москве? Был Кремль и в Киеве, когда он ещё не хохлотизированным был. Ты мне покажи Кремли у монгол. Вот шаровары у тюрков - факт. Да ваш Киев только недавно отстроен после монгольского ига.
Украина - земли тюркских народов с тюркской культурой
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
@M0rtalDEATH888 " Ты мне покажи Кремли у монгол. " Аха ха КАЗАНЬ))) На Руси не было кремлей(Полоцк, Киев, Чернигов)))))) "Украина - земли тюркских народов с тюркской культурой" Украина, так же ак и Беларусь, земли русской(славянской) культуры, у нас даже язык на 80% идентичен, а Россия поместь угро-финов и монголо-татар, от суда и кремли, теремки, балалайки, лапти, пельмени и МАТРЕШКИ))). Да и если мы хохлы, то вы кацапы (обозначение этих слов ты я надеюсь знаеш)))))
duzhit 11 months ago
@duzhit
Ни крепость, а Кремли! В украине с половцами может и не было, а вот в Смоленске, Новгороде, Пскове, Владимире Кремли были даже во времена раздробленности. Ты за хохляндию говори. Ты мне скажи - какие славяне на ваших землях жили?половцы, печенеги, хазары? даа, славяне... У вас язык с польской примесью. О, ну все к своим мифам причислил, компенсируешь комплекс того, что у укров кроме тюркской культуры и сала НИЧЕГО нет? У вас половина укрослов - тюркские!
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
@M0rtalDEATH888 Так све по порядку, Смоленск, Новгород и Псков попали под московию(тоесть мнголо-угрский народ), и затем там появились кремли, Полоцк не попал, и естественно кремли там не появились. Наш мова(язык)на 80% идентична беларусской, и если наша мова польская то и по логике вешей беларуссая должна быть тоже польская, но вот на деле все по другому))).
duzhit 11 months ago
@duzhit
По твоему кто земли Руси собирал, которые Кыыв так успешно развалил и родне из монголов отдал! Кремли как раз после монголов и перестали строить, они в ДОМОНГОЛЬСКИЙ период преимущественно строились. Кремли и в Полоцке были, даун и в Минске. Ваша мова на 20% идентична славянской - остальное - польские, автро-венгерские, тюркские словечки. Самого слова "мова" у славян нет! укрояз и беларусский - полонизированный русский.P.S. Не гони на беларусский язык, он мне этнический, за мову ответь
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
@M0rtalDEATH888 А ха ха
открываем переводчик гугл и пишем слово язык, ставим перевод украинский, беларуский, польский - и имеем слово мова, и это славянские языки, так шо за3.14 делся ты монголоид бу га га
По поводу Полоцка - то почему же там кремлей не осталось, ведь монголы, то есть вы туда не дошли))) а они исчезли, а в Казани и мааскве есть- бу га га.
А по московии и Руси, то не обязательно смотреть карты ВКЛ, можно смотреть и англ, гол, исп, франц карты 16 столетия))) так шо учись)))
duzhit 11 months ago
@duzhit
СТАВИМ СЕРБСКИЙ, болгарский - язык, ставим чешский, словенский - jazyk.ПЕРЕВОДИМ НА ПОЛЬСКИЙ (КАК ТЫ) - Język. яУЖ НЕ ЗНАЮ, ГДЕ ТЫ ИСКАЛ... а беларусы у вас переняли из-за тесного сожительства с хохлотюркскими воами
Деревянные кремли тебе что, окаменеть должны. Зайди на Вики, посмотри, где они остались
Хорошая идея. Где-нибудь на картах есть слово "украина"?
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
@M0rtalDEATH888 Во первых я не где не писал что нету слово язык, ты писал. Тоесть ктото 3.14дел, по польскому будет мова, и не надо ляля. А слово Украина на старых картах ты не найдеш, так как оно появилось только в 18 веке, до этого была Русь. так что расслабся и получай удовольствие.
duzhit 11 months ago
@duzhit
А что, у укров "язык", а не "мова". Тоже от нас переняли чуточку славянского?
Слова украина не найдешь, т.к. её не было, Русь была до 16 века, потом она стала Россией.
Украина образовывалась в австро-венгрии!
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
@M0rtalDEATH888
кацапенок, что от вас принимать славянского, если вы не славяне, а угро-фины и монголо-татары. Да, в укр языке есть слово язык, так же как и в польском, только это анатомический язык(который во рту). И не ты ли писал, что наш язык ополячен))) а 3.14дун? ну а вот тебе пару видео по поводу мовы и языка /watch?v=o7ZH-wUk6jk /watch?v=TENnOOS1Hhc
duzhit 11 months ago
@duzhit
И это мне заявляет тюрк! Надень шаровары и давай факты. Посмотри на круглые рожи своей родни явно отыметой тюркскими хохлопами. В укроязе есть слово "язык"? Да у вас более 4000 тюркских слов. Всё, что вы не от Русских переняли - тюркские слова! Ваш язык сначала славяне (русские) из тюркского создавали, потом поляки ассимилировали, ну и на последок австро-венгры хуй воткнули. Историю знать надо, хохлоп!
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
@M0rtalDEATH888
все ясно москалыку, слив защитан))
duzhit 11 months ago
@duzhit
Ну наконец-то мы пришли к общему выводу, по поводу того, что укры к слаянам ОТНОШЕНИЯ НЕ ИМЕЮТ!
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
@M0rtalDEATH888
Украинцы с тюрками не имеют ни капли общей крови. Спроси любого генетика. Большая часть тюркских народов живёт, кстати, в России
tedex1987 11 months ago
@tedex1987
Вот у генетиков и спрашиваем - у вас только и есть, что тюркская кровь, а вот примесей славян у вас мало.Кстати, молодец... У нас на Кваказе где-то наций 100 тюркских и что, их земли ведь не занимают 90% нашей территории как земли хазар и половцев земли украины
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
@M0rtalDEATH888
Это не правда и ты это знаешь. У украинцев не больше тюркских генов, чем у русских.
А причём здесь вообще Кавказ? Разве я что-то про Кавказ говорил?Там -то как раз тюрков и нет как и русских.
Я говорю про Татар, Башкир, Чувашей, Казахов, Якутов, Кумыков и др.И ещё несколько дестков монгилоидных рас и кавказский.
А на счёт территории, в западний Сибири всегда жили татары, на Кавказе - кавказцы, в Европейской части - мордва.
tedex1987 11 months ago
@tedex1987
У жителей степей тюркских генов мало, культуры - тоже! Ты посмотри кто на ваших землях века,эдак, до 14 жил - одни тюрки. И откуда там вдруг славяне нарисовались?
Если не на Кавказе, то где ты тюрков в России нашел, горячий тюркский парень?
А ничего, что эти "десятки" монголоидных "рас" (выучи что такое раса - их всего 3) всего процентов 20% от населения России и с Русскими они не смешиваются в отличии от куда-то девшихся коренных народов украинских степей.
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
@M0rtalDEATH888
До 16-го века в Америке тоже одни индейцы жили. Это же не доказывает, что современные американцы имеют хоть какую-нибудь принадлежность к индейцам. Никакого. Никакого сходства у украинцев с тюркскими народами тоже нет.
А где это ты на кавказе нашёл десяток тюркским народов?Собственную страну не знаешь - зато остальных учишь как им жить.
Если ты так не любишь тюрков - так проедься по Родине в Татарстан и обьясни им кто они и что они. Сразу всё поймёшь.
tedex1987 11 months ago
@tedex1987
Во-первых, посмотри в зеркало, там ТОЛЬКО сходства, интересно, где различия
Во-вторых, индейцев истребили, а вот факта исстрбления нами тюрков не зафиксировано, т.ч. смирись - это ваша прямая родня
В-третьих,что ж хохольчики как бред повторять любят, что Русские - монголы/фины?
Я не тюрков не люблю, я не люблю тюркских выкидышей, которые гонят, что они славяне, и ещё нас чему-то учат!
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
@M0rtalDEATH888
У тебя комплекс неполноценности?Про монголо-финов какраз ты вечно жалуешься, я такого не говорил.
Я не тюрк уже потому, что блондин. Ты много видел тюрков - блондинов?
tedex1987 11 months ago
@tedex1987
Я на тюрко-монголов жалуюсь (хохлоидов). Рассказывают факты вашего происхождения!
Раз в год и палка стреляет. Тюркские гены у всех укров четко видны. Блондины у вас - редкость
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
@M0rtalDEATH888
Факты, Факты, Факты!!!10 тюркских народов Кавказа где?
tedex1987 11 months ago
@tedex1987
укры к примеру. Хазары с Кавказа мигрировали!
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
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@M0rtalDEATH888
"У нас на Кваказе где-то наций 100 тюркских и что, их земли ведь не занимают 90% нашей территории как земли хазар и половцев земли украины" - твои слова?Отвечай за базар.
tedex1987 11 months ago
@M0rtalDEATH888 ну ты гонишь..
Drezdenn 11 months ago
@Drezdenn
Скажи ещё укры - чистокровные славяне без тюркских примесей!
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
@tedex1987
P.S. Ну ты загнул - посмотри, где 80% Руси находилось. Как раз Россия, не то, что ваша Великая степь - коренное пристанище тюркских кочевников
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
@M0rtalDEATH888 Про наши комплексы- ты посмотри старые карты ВКЛ и увидеш что оно состояло из трех княжеств литовское(литвины)-современные беларусы, русское(русины)-современные украинцы, и жморийское - современые литовцы, ну и увидеш как называлася современноя кацапия - МОСКОВИЯ. так что образовывайся угро-монгол, и начинай уважать своих предков, а мы будем своих. Не стоит приписывать себе чужую историю, учите свою. На этом мой урок истории для тебя закончен. ВЕЛИКИЙ ты наш бу га га
duzhit 11 months ago
@duzhit
Сколько награбила литва, столько и поназывла. Яи говорю,что укры - это полонизированные русские на тюркских землях. Кроме выкидышей ржачипосполитой термин Московия никто не использовал. укро-монгол, да, с географией у тебя так же херово как и с историей, то укры не тюрки, то фины с монголами рядом прям жили. Вот правильно сказал - учи свою 20-летнюю историю воровства и попрошайничества, жалкий укр
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
@duzhit
Слово «кремль» впервые появляется в летописи под 1317 годом как «кремник». Есть неск]]ько версий его происхождения. Одна связывает слово «кремль» с греческим словом «кремнос», имеющего значение «крутизна, ктая гора над берегом
Другая версия - «кремль» словами «кремник» в значении «крепость внутри города» и «кромьство»
В толковом сваре живого великорусского языка» Вдимираль дал целый ряд своеобразных тематических параллелей изиалектнолексики: «кремлевник» — «хвойный с
M0rtalDEATH888 11 months ago
russia is called "rus'", "russian state" and "russian country" in his chronicles. try to read it, i know thats hard for you. there is no word about the state ukraine.
now, the discussion is ended, because
EVERYTHING you said before, are saying or will say is a lie or a completely wrong interpretation of historic facts!
monarchist92 1 year ago
@monarchist92 actually there appears to be no end in sight for your misinformation - I have told you before many times Nestor's Rus is not Russia - it does not translate to Russia and Nestor never used the word Russia - you are typical narrow minded product of Soviet Regime - and Russia is not called Rus you moron
majorgeeek 1 year ago
@majorgeeek kiss my ass piece of shit. You, moron, I made it clear that the word entered Russia under Peter the Great as a Greek word Interpretation Russ. In fact, even now, Russia = Russ. So suck your dick to you have a mind. Therefore, by itself Nestor did not write the word Russia.
0Russia0 1 year ago
@0Russia0 the Greek word "Rosia" is not Rus and there is no such word as "Russ" - Nestor never mentioned Russia since it did not exist - therefore Rus is not Russia - this is obvious even to 5th grader - judging by your lack of knowledge and swearing you have lost whatever argument you thought you have had
majorgeeek 1 year ago
@majorgeeek Did you ever any arguments led? Prove to me that the word Rosiya does not apply to the word Rus. (PS Nestor was not Greek. =)))))
0Russia0 1 year ago
@0Russia0 you idiot - Rus is not Russia - you overlook simple fact that Rus is not Russia - in fact Russian Slavs are not even native to Russia - your swearing means you have lost your argument? long ago
majorgeeek 1 year ago
@majorgeeek majorgeek whats ur argument??? i dont get it.. we russians came from the moon?
majorgeek i see that ur 1 hell of a majorgeek but you're wrong. technically theres no such a thing as a Russian slavs. Russians were a Germanic tribe who got washed by Slavs from the Western lands from carpaths, while they got washed them selfs by the Goths, Vandals(other germanic tribe) thats why there are 2 major sub groups in europe, Slavs and Germanics, yet same shit different smell.
RusBodybuilder 1 year ago
@RusBodybuilder the Rus or Vikings of 8C were not Russian - Russia did not exist and Rus is not Russia - Slavs already existed in Ukraine around Kiev etc - the Slavs developed from ProtoSlavic group in central Europe and Ukraine - Russian Slavs migrated from these regions into Russia around Medieval times therefore Russian Slavs are not native to lands called Russia
majorgeeek 1 year ago
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VendPrekmurec 1 year ago
@majorgeeek you want to say that Slavs had no language before 8 C or what
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VendPrekmurec 1 year ago
@VendPrekmurec mmmm...Im think your jew.You call like a jew.Your not learn History.True history.Not Jewish history.
PolanskyA 1 year ago