Jesus help us! Turn this country back to you God, my heart is broken again after watching this clip. Thank you ray Comfort and all those at Way of the Master for your diligence in creating awareness. I am praying and believing for a 2 Chronicles 2:14 to happen in this country, Lord let it be so!!!!
Few "Hollywood" decisions are based on somebody's idea of right and wrong. It's mostly about making anemic product that will appeal to the greatest number of people possible in order to turn as much profit as possible. That's another possibility for altering the remake. If you take a definite stand either way, you lose money.
Yes, god loves killing babies, in fact a lot of perfectly normal fertilized embryos fail to implant themselves into the uterine lining thus having no chance at life. I know the character of god. He's the ultimate sociopath with the ultimate power and the biggest gun. And even if you do everything he asks he still might destroy everything you hold dear. Don't believe me? Read the book of JOB.
Of course it's wrong. How big of a container would you need to hold all the things that are wrong but still legal? Plenty big for sure. Live and let live.
A women's body is the temple of the holy spirit. All life has meaning and purpose. The selfless thing to do is to sacrifice your life for your child's, not the other way around.
It's never been about saving a child, it's always been about controlling women. Period. It's about systematically removing the individual rights of a woman.
You say abortion is Murder yet you people murder doctors. You are all pyschotic hypocrites. I believe George Carlin - "Inside the womb, well force you to get born, outside the womb, you're on your own" No welfare, daycare, medical, dental, food, school, nutrition, glasses, operations, treatment, safety from abuse, but hey, you succeeded in bringing these poor little humans into the world. How proud you must be of yourselves.
@gingerbreadcorpses Injecting saline solution into a baby's body so it will burn to death or stabbing it in the neck when it's partially delivered to kill it or cutting it to pieces so that it comes out easier, is wrong regardless of anyone's opinion. Tell us: What are you reasons for justifying the killing of a baby?
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@thewayofthemaster A number of reasons justify abortion. 1) The fetus doesn't have consciousness yet 2) Not allowing abortion would mean forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will, 3) Not allowing abortion would mean forcing unwanted children into this world, 4) Prevents overpopulation, 5) Allows women to freely enjoy sexual intimacy without worrying about their lives being thrown off course or ruined, 6) Allows women to choose when and if to have children.
@gingerbreadcorpses 1. So you're OK with killing anyone who does not have the awareness of what you're doing to them? 2. It is reasonable for a society to expect an adult to live temporarily with an inconvenience if the only alternative is killing an innocent child. 3. There is no such thing as an unwanted child. There are plenty of people who would adopt the baby. But with that reasoning, why is it not OK to kill unwanted children already in this world, such as an abused toddler?
@gingerbreadcorpses 4. Why restrict it to babies, let's kill the old folks, handicapped and minorities too? 5. To justify the killing of an innocent human because of a desire to be promiscuous is selfishness to the highest degree.6. They already can choose when and when not to have children. It's called abstinence.
@thewayofthemaster i'm ashamed to say, but i used to be okay with abortion. but I've matured and recognized it's not fair. how come it's okay to kill a baby, but not an armed robber? the baby hasn't hurt anyone
And hollywood knows aliens are real, children can talk to the dead, men can talk to animals, animals talk with distinct american accents to each other regardless of their country of origin, cars have their own society, there's a school for wizards, orcs, humans and elves have fought countless wars. Hollywood truly is a font of knowledge.
Michael Caine also played an abortionist in "The Cider House Rules", and in response to pro-lifers' protests of the film, made it clear that he was pro-abortion.
so what? He still deserved the chance to live. We can't forsee the future. There are probably several great men who ccould be alive today if it weren't for abortion. Abortion kills people, whether they turn out to be good or bad. Its still wrong. 2 wrongs do not make it right!
So Hollywood/US society's view have changed over the past 40+ years. So what? This proves absolutely nothing other than perhaps Hollywood is more afraid of controversy these days because of the Christian Right.
If "Hollywood" was trying to get the message across that abortion was wrong then they would of left the scene in. Its quite a powerful anti abortion piece.
@ezelouie Alfie #1 was filmed in England not Hollywood, prior to Roe -- I saw it back in the 60's when it first came out and yes it did show a great deal of the illegal abortion and for me and most people, it didn't sicken us because of the abortion, i.e., ending the pregnancy but because it was definitely putting the woman's life in danger, dirty, nasty conditions, etc.
You never know what random comments will be on these hot button videos. Always a grabbag on YouTube. Anyway, Jude Law always makes intellectually sterile, image-friendly vehicles, so what the heck is the point? Remakes are less innovative than the originals? Abortion taboo was a cliche in "60s's cinema? The movie studio are nutless, actors are conscious of their politics, and everyone wanted to appeal to a wide audience and make more money? Comfort, you are lousy social critic.
Do abortions normally take place in people's homes?
No they do not. Alfie had an illegal abortion, because when hat was made they were still illegal and they still happened, and women used to die.
It is a pro-abortion scene. It shows how disgusting and dangerous backstreet abortions are and argue for them. It is also an end of innocence for Alfie.
So the right again rely on ignorance to spread lies. Typical.
@ultimatedazzler and when you eat a plant or animal for food thats also a product of murder... Of course the difference is that the animals were able to somewhat understand what was going on, were fearful, and experienced pain.
So wait, hollywood knows it's wrong because the guy says he murdered the fetus in the movie, or because they took it out of the remake? Doesn't matter, in the first case it's just that characters opinion, which says nothing about even the movie maker's opinion, let alone hollywood's, and in the second case all it means is they know that abortion is controversial and they don't want to turn people away from the movie by including it.
@Krissam2k Murder compared to stealing? Are you for real?
Not sure if this person's clip of "Alfie" is a copyright infringement, but I don't think it even ranks up there with killing a human fetus. Killing an innocent human fetus is as evil as you can get. Killing 2 is twice as evil. More proof there is no god(s). Positive evolution is when the dumb kill themselves and their offspring :-)
Either way, I wont really discuss wether or not abortion is murder as I'm pro choice, and believe that the fetus is a part of the mothers body until it's born, hence she can do with it what she wishes.
@IrrepressibleGuile a fetus is no more a human being than a piece of wood is a house, so what are you saying, it shouldn't be allowed to burn wood? apparently that's someone's house
@Krissam2k how can you say that? The only difference between you and a fetus is that you have had time to grow, a fetus is a human being thats why killing it is murder wheather you like it or not. As soon as a sperm fertilizes an egg you have a human being, all the informaion needed for the human fetus to grow is contained in the cell. I find it disturbing that u have such disdain for human life.
@IrrepressibleGuile I don't, I just don't believe a fetus is a human being. What makes humans different from animals? free will, meta thoughs and selfawareness, a fetus has none of those things.
@Krissam2k Hi Krissam,The thing that makes u a human is ur dna,ur dna structure is disctinctly different to any other life form. A human fetus has exactly the same dna as you, me or any human, a fetus is just a very young human being,as soon as a human sperm enters a human egg all the genetic information for a human being is already there, nothing is added. This is scientific fact u can check it for youself.From a biblical view,the bible states that God recognises us as human b4 the fetus stage
@IrrepressibleGuile That vegetative state example is a good way of demonstrating that it's more than just DNA that makes human life valuable. Yes, they are human, but since they have no thoughts and no experiences and no hope of recovering, then I don't think there's anything wrong with letting someone like that die.
@LanceDirk , hi LanceDirk, how do you know that somebody in a vegetative state dosnt have thoughts, feelings and emotions, how would we know that they wanted to die?
@IrrepressibleGuile Because we monitor their brain activity. Also, depending on how their brain is damaged, we can know that parts of the brain necessary to thoughts and feelings is damaged irreparably. They wouldn't want to die, but they wouldn't not want to die either, because it's not possible for them to want anything at all anymore. They're basically only a body, and only a body has no reason or desire to live.
@LanceDirk hi, see the thing is, your assuming we know everything about the brain, there are still mysteries about it and I believe every human is a dignified being, even if they are in a vegative state, their human rights should still be respected, same thing with a fetus, a fetus' human right to live should not be overridden by abortion. Theres more to a human being than the brain waves, there is the soul and the spirit than resides within the body of human.
@IrrepressibleGuile I'm actually not, I'm assuming that we know what we know. We know from studying the brain that you can observe thoughts by monitoring brain activity, and we know what lack of brain activity means. We don't know everything but we do know that. You can believe what you want, but there's no evidence of a soul or spirit, and there is insufficient philosophical justification for the value of a person in that state. The family still values them so they should decide.
@IrrepressibleGuile It depends, if there's a chance for the person to actually wake up and be an independant individiual (note he/she can still be mentally retarded), then yes, it's still a human being, if not, then no, there's a reason it's called a vegetable.
@12dollarsand78cents I can think of something more evil than killing an innocent human fetus. What about raping a baby, then making another baby stab the raped baby to death? That's more evil.
@pmills076 That little being inside of her mother (since all fetuses begin life as females!) was alive as soon as the sperm and egg joined! Abortion IS Murder!! Killing animals is Murder! Anything that has breath in it, if it is PURPOSELY killed, it is MURDER!!!
Of course it's wrong, you are destroying a life. It's amazing that there are people who can actually defend killing babies, you've got to be a cold hearted son of a bitch to see any right in terminating a innocent life.
If you support abortion and you've never seen one you should watch one so at least you know what you are supporting. I imagine you will at a minimum be far less vocal in your support if you actually know what you are talking about.
@libbyandtai But, there is no god or gods. Anybody can write a book, and in that book, say that book is the truth. That doesn't make it so. There is no god and if you are true to yourself, you will know that. If you are true to yourself, you also know that a human fetus shouldn't be killed.
Religion is wrong, hmm? Yes, some religions are wrong. Religions that teach you should kill anyone who doesn't believe what you do, for example.
But religions that teach what is right and that man doesn't decide what is right (( such as the people who decided abortion should be legal )) but God does.
That's not wrong at all. Thats the only thing thats right with this world. Truth.
@DazzieMetallikat Thank you for saying the truth. Christianity DOES encourage you to eliminate those who don't believe what you do. :) What a wonderful religion.
Wow. You're even more ignorant than you first appear. If you knew anything, you'd know thats what muslims do. Have you even ever HEARD of 9/11? Or are you just avoiding the subject. ; )
I didn't say "religion is wrong". I was, however, pointing out that religious people, like the creator of this video, put more passion than thought into their arguments.
I think there are SOME positive things about religion, but I think they are outweighed by the negatives. That goes for all religions, INCLUDING the Muslims & pro-choicers you seem to hate.
Why not just be a good person and forget the supernatural stories? Then we can have intelligent conversations. :) Peace
Because for one, being a good person won't get you into heaven. You can't do it by yourself.
And for two, what some people would consider being a good person, includes things like murder. You don't think people followed what Hitler was saying because they thought he was a BAD person, do you?
Muslims kill people. As far as I'm concerned, their bad outweighs their good and I don't want people like that, who kill people just for not believing what they do, in my country.
1. I'm a good person, but not just to "get to heaven". I do it because in my small, modest way, it makes the REAL world a better place.
2. I'm hoping you meant to say "Fundamentalist Muslims like Al Quida" not "Muslims" because 99.9% of Muslims don't kill people. If so, I agree.
3. Do you have the logic to dislike a crazy, murdering fundamentalist Christian AS MUCH as you dislike a crazy, murdering fundamentalist Muslim? If not, do you realize that you are not a fair person?
1. NO-ONE, inc. the Pope or the world's greatest scientist or philosopher KNOWS if heaven exists, let alone how to get there. I was simply saying what motivates ME to be a good person on this planet. It isn't a biblical heaven.
2. Neither one of us "knows" a percentage, but divide number of Muslims worldwide by number of known Muslim terrorists and you will get an INCREDIBLY small number.
3. That WAS my point. Dazzie said "Muslim's kill people".
I don't see how this is "proof" that Hollywood thinks abortion is wrong. 'Hollywood' is just an umbrella term, and does not "THINK" anything! The reason they left that scene out in the remake is probably more to do with the fact that all they wanted to show was the sex and light-hearted stuff! The hypocrisy of this channel is hilarious. They'll use something that promotes fornication of the highest order completely out of context to try and prove some vague point that doesn't even make sense..
I'm just constantly amazed and awed at the level of stupidity that comes from this channel. A cut scene from a movie is not "proof" that "Hollywood" has an opinion about abortion. And Kirk and Ray are not using fair use to "teach" anything (unless to teach us they are idiots) but to present a flawed and unverified opinion. It's as if Kirk and Ray have regressed back to the 2nd grade or something, just sad.
Well said, whane. To imply that a collective entity of people of varied backgrounds and life experience aka "Hollywood" would share a common ANYTHING is preposterous.
So consciousness is just a collection of cells too. So what makes it so special that it must have "human rights"? Of course I guess I should ask why you believe that "human rights" are real and not just something made up by a "collection of cell".
Human rights ARE just concepts made up by a collection of cells. I'm not really sure I agree with using the word "rights" in the first place. "human rights" aren't exactly universal, unfortunately. Its a completely foreign concept in most of the world.
So then there is no difference between killing a collection of cell without consciousness(fetus), and killing a collection of cells with consciousness( you or me).
Oh come on, that's a ludicrous argument, and I said nothing to imply that. We're naturally inclined to want to preserve sentient life, for well-defined evolutionary reasons,. But a fetus, without any sort of sentience, isn't any different from a plant, or other non-sentient multicelled organisms.
We are inclined to kill, and if it can all come down to just cells, then even rape, stealing, oppressing, slavery, and any other thing we do is just a part of are nature. I'm not sure how you can say different.
We're inclined to kill for tribalistic reasons, yes. Not random ones. It DOES come down to just cells, and yet we're still able to create ordered, fairly just societies that respect human life and dignity.
"tribalistic reasons" also come from our cells too. You already claim that all that we do comes from are cells, whether we try to save a life or try to kill a life. And how is our societies with human dignities/values/worth not apart of "tribalistic reasoning", that only comes from cells? Just how do you believe that it matters at all? All that we do comes from the same source, our cells, so why do you believe that one way is "better" then another?
It doesn't matter, not objectively. But subjectively, preserving human life and dignity is preferable to not, because it is provides the most comfort for the most number of people. That's it, really. No more complex than that.
Which means there is no "objective" reason to argue the point. And as for "subjective" why does it matter? In other words, why is what you or anyone "prefer" matters? Example: two possible laws could be made one for abortion or one against abortion, but both would be "objectively" meaningless, because there is no such thing as meaning. The "subjective" is also without meaning as well.
Objectively, sure. The universe doesn't care about that issue one bit. But people do. So from our subjective human perspective, these issues do matter. And since humans are the only conscious beings in the universe (that we know of), what's most comfortable to us is preferred.
I'm done arguing. Its been an engaging back and forth though. Thanks for not getting all riled up and resorting to name-calling like so many people on Youtube.
I was just trying to prove a point, that their argument is meaningless, using their own standards to show them why, if they were correct that they were "cutting their own throats" in a way. To believe in "subjective meaning" is a delusion, its a belief that lets them do what ever they feel is right, even kill.
Haha! "Proof" "Hollywood" they are using words i must think they havent really gotten correctly. Proof is supposed to prove somehting and Hollywood is a place, and they dont all think alike :) Besides seeing death and despair and becoming sad because of it has nothing to do with god!
its not just about religion..its the social aspect that MURDERING A CHILD is WRONG!...31 days a baby can cry...let their voices be heard...dont just kill the baby because its inconvent at the time!
Most abortions aren't performed because 'it's inconvenient at the time',that statement is a travesty.
A few days ago I (briefly) watched a documentary about a 'girl without a face'. You tell me: who has been done a favour by lettint her 'live'? Or when a woman is in serious danger of not surviving labour, who is being done a favour by letting the mother die? Is that 'murdering a child'? Is that ALWAYS RIGHT?
Not necessarily, there is no proof of God, and no proof of it's non existance... (Just like you can't prove that unicorn exist or dosen't...)
By bronze age superstition, I meant believing that, for example, earth is 6000 years old or that we are going to hell/heaven because some individual in the past ate from a magical tree because a magic talking snake told them to do so, and that a powerfull being has a list of 10 thing he don't want you to do, else he'll be angry.
It looks like the first Alfie was way better than the second one. That moment of recognition and later self-questioning by Michael Caine were very powerful. Perhaps it's too easy for men today to send the women they impregnate to be aborted in a clinic backroom. Just bring them in "broken", vacuum them out, and return them to be used again. Maybe if men had to see what it was they were destroying they would be more thoughtful about what abortion really means.
I haven't seen the remake but I remember seeing the original film with Michael Caine when it was first released in 1966. And I remember that scene also; very powerful. A great actor can convey a lot of emotion in a close-up. You don't have to see the little corpse to know what he's looking at. It is often not the men who want the abortion. It's the women. After all, in our society they are the ones who claim it as their right of "choice." Basically, it is killing babies, pure and simple.
Yes, it is killing babies, but I think a lot of people deceive themselves about that reality, and just like push-button warfare makes it easier to kill, so does not having to face your victim at the clinic.
What proof? This film was made by Lewis Gilbert and Sheldrake Films. What makes this film Hollywood? I enjoy watching your videos, but I wish that you used a little more critical thinking and research to connect phenomena to concepts.
I contributed my opinion on the obvious fallacy of accepting the belief of a single person or entity (in this case, the director and/or "Hollywood") as absolute fact, and pertinent information regarding the law concerning abortion.
I did not contribute a single insult: merely perceptive observations, such as the fact that you have contributed nothing but verbal disagreement with my post, which was based on... well, nothing, actually.
Yeah, I don't remember PMing you, but if I insulted you then you most likely deserved it.
The idea that the fertilized egg is alive is irrelevant: the fertilized egg cannot survive on its own, and is completely dependent on the mother for survival: ergo, it is a part of the woman's body, and she has full and complete right over it by law, no matter what your fictional storybook says about it.
I did have a nice day, thanks! You have one, too: on me!
he actually stated he point quite well (whether I agree or not is another story). You just saying "wrong!" with no explanation why he's wrong is not a good arguement on your part. You may have well just not replied. Again, I'm not even saying I agree with his views, just making an observation form an outsider's view. And he really didn't insult you.
Well I don't "NeedGod" but I do know that abortion is just a fancy form of murder carried out for the momentary convenience of people who don't want the responsibility of caring for their own offspring.
nothing is wrong with abortion do you know how many teenage girls are raped and have to give babies? it's perfectly fine would you rather let the baby live a horrible life knowing it was not supposed to be on this world and maybe the mother can't pay for child care? I've never understood why you crazy people think it's a horrible thing
can't say for certain but im like 51% sure if u could somehow ask the fetus, "hey ur mom is poor and your hmo will be shitty, do u want us to kill you?" the baby would probably say "fuck you, let me live, i'll take my chances."
i don't think abortion is a horrible thing, i do however think that being a pussy and trying to make it seem like no one is getting killed, is disrespectful to the fetuses that have had the misfortune of knowing death b4 they got the chance to know life.
Thanks. :-) I'm glad we both agree. I'm definitely tired of breeders telling me I should have children. I am pro-choice and childfree, because I believe every child a wanted child. And, well, that is one burden I would not want to put on another, or our mother Earth. We are already depleting the fuck out of our natural resources, yet nobody gives a shit. Especially the assholes getting publicity for popping out 20 kids, like the Duggar assholes...or even Octomom.
If I could give you 5 thumbs up, I would. The concept of two children per household; one child to replace each parent is a difficult idea to push. As long as ideas such as "created in gods image" and "be fruitful and multiply" hold ground, we can never understand how parasitic our species as a whole really is. Planet Earth is our heaven and we should be thankful for the short window of opportunity humanity has been shown. Humanity is not as significant the Bible suggests.
Why, thank you! I'm thrilled we at least have SOME sense here. I can't wait to move out of bible-thumping America. I'm tired of everyone here saying "ohh, every country is the same.... there are Christians everywhere." Um, WRONG! Nowhere else has 84% of the countries population devoted to G-Sus (saw on some morons license plate today on my way home from work). No where else is THIS bad about religiously (religulously) taking our civil liberties, when this is supposed to be a FREE NATION.
haha dude keep telling urself that by aborting fetuses you are somehow doing them a favor. what a load of shit. i am pro choice bc child birth is something i cant do. so its nonsense for me to tell a woman what she has to do regarding that subject. but dont be a fuckin muppet. abortion is killing the fetus. abortion is not looking out for the well being or future of the kid. abortion is telling the kid, i'd rather kill u now, than have to compromise my lifestyle by having you.
i have nothing against women having the right to control their own bodies. i am pro choice. but i will call bullshit when i see someone like u trying to tell people that a fetus is somehow better off by being killed/aborted.
isn't everyone pro fetus??! i now girls that have had abortions and they werent celebrating the idea of killing the fetus. although in your case you probably throw a party and go on a rant about how you're a hardcore feminist now.
abortion is a woman's right. i believe that 100%. i just think that your celebration of killing a fetus is in poor taste.
btw, i don't get "stuck" w unwanted pregnancy bc i use birth control. you should try it.
How are you so pro-choice when you de-humanize women for CHOOSING what they want when it comes to a serious, life changing matter? How are you pro-choice when you're harassing women for CHOOSING what's best for them? Keep telling yourself you're pro-choice. You're not fooling anyone. You're a TROLL.
P.S. - Have you ever heard of a little thing called BIRTH CONTROL FAILING???? Yup, it happens. I've known a woman to get pregnant using three types of bc at the SAME time. Zomgosh!!!!
repeatedly getting pregnant and having abortions is not an expression of feminism. its a clear sign of emotional immaturity. in ur case u were probably the insecure girl in highschool who ended up having sex w the entire JV football team in an attempt to fill a gaping hole in your life. no pun intended.
FIRST of all, one does NOT have to have an abortion to support choice. Secondly, I disregard many sports, especially super-commercialized football, so your statement is nonsense. Third, MY abortion I did have (not that it's any of your fucking business) was when I was 18, and *GASP!* out of high school. I was in a relationship at the time. Having a child is out of the question for me. (Again, MY business).....Lastly, having an abortion does not make one a whore....again, a biased statement.
And, also, immature. Anyone can have an abortion.... Yes, even MARRIED COUPLES have abortions. I fail to see how me respecting choice and life (to not bring another unwanted child into the world to be abandoned/abused/dumpsterised) would be misconcepted as "immature". Abortion will NOT go away, simply because a few million people have a problem with it. Get over yourself.
i'll say it yet again, my problem isnt with abortion but with your glorification of the process and your implication that people who are against it are "pussy". THATS IMMATURE! reread this so you'll stop bringing up shit that doesnt to relate to the matter at hand.
@sorry4living Yes. Even if made illegal, some women will continue to have abortions. But they've always had that "choice." And they've always chosen to act irresponsibly, including married couples. It does not make abortion right. It's NEVER right. And the under 1% cases of conception through rape is miniscule (check Planned Parenthood's own Guttenmacher Institute) even in those cases the children are innocent and the man should pay for his crime, not the child.
Jesus help us! Turn this country back to you God, my heart is broken again after watching this clip. Thank you ray Comfort and all those at Way of the Master for your diligence in creating awareness. I am praying and believing for a 2 Chronicles 2:14 to happen in this country, Lord let it be so!!!!
Sn0wboard16 1 week ago in playlist apologetics
People who are prochoice and Christian sicken me I tell you this what if Mary had an abortion where would we be rotting on the firery Pitts of hell
MollyandHanni 3 weeks ago
Isn't the original alfie being accused for killing his wife
MollyandHanni 3 weeks ago
Few "Hollywood" decisions are based on somebody's idea of right and wrong. It's mostly about making anemic product that will appeal to the greatest number of people possible in order to turn as much profit as possible. That's another possibility for altering the remake. If you take a definite stand either way, you lose money.
bettyfelon1 2 months ago
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Yes, god loves killing babies, in fact a lot of perfectly normal fertilized embryos fail to implant themselves into the uterine lining thus having no chance at life. I know the character of god. He's the ultimate sociopath with the ultimate power and the biggest gun. And even if you do everything he asks he still might destroy everything you hold dear. Don't believe me? Read the book of JOB.
fwrc1666 3 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
gaborgans is murber, hurr durr
Petruccibear 4 months ago
Of course it's wrong. How big of a container would you need to hold all the things that are wrong but still legal? Plenty big for sure. Live and let live.
sevenzdown 4 months ago
A women's body is the temple of the holy spirit. All life has meaning and purpose. The selfless thing to do is to sacrifice your life for your child's, not the other way around.
Jesus Christ is the way of Truth, Love and Light.
jwils924 4 months ago
theres an abortion in both films.
the first film wasnt made in hollywood.
abortion is older than the cult of jesus.
majorkeybaree 4 months ago
It's never been about saving a child, it's always been about controlling women. Period. It's about systematically removing the individual rights of a woman.
VideoExpostulations 4 months ago
You say abortion is Murder yet you people murder doctors. You are all pyschotic hypocrites. I believe George Carlin - "Inside the womb, well force you to get born, outside the womb, you're on your own" No welfare, daycare, medical, dental, food, school, nutrition, glasses, operations, treatment, safety from abuse, but hey, you succeeded in bringing these poor little humans into the world. How proud you must be of yourselves.
VideoExpostulations 4 months ago
great job, murder is legalized. whats next? rape? pedophilia? stealing? why stop their? why not condemn the whole world to hell...
Twinpact 4 months ago
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How is abortion wrong? Because a bunch of creationists believe it is? LOL!!
gingerbreadcorpses 6 months ago
@gingerbreadcorpses Injecting saline solution into a baby's body so it will burn to death or stabbing it in the neck when it's partially delivered to kill it or cutting it to pieces so that it comes out easier, is wrong regardless of anyone's opinion. Tell us: What are you reasons for justifying the killing of a baby?
thewayofthemaster 6 months ago 13
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@thewayofthemaster A number of reasons justify abortion. 1) The fetus doesn't have consciousness yet 2) Not allowing abortion would mean forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will, 3) Not allowing abortion would mean forcing unwanted children into this world, 4) Prevents overpopulation, 5) Allows women to freely enjoy sexual intimacy without worrying about their lives being thrown off course or ruined, 6) Allows women to choose when and if to have children.
gingerbreadcorpses 6 months ago
@gingerbreadcorpses 1. So you're OK with killing anyone who does not have the awareness of what you're doing to them? 2. It is reasonable for a society to expect an adult to live temporarily with an inconvenience if the only alternative is killing an innocent child. 3. There is no such thing as an unwanted child. There are plenty of people who would adopt the baby. But with that reasoning, why is it not OK to kill unwanted children already in this world, such as an abused toddler?
thewayofthemaster 6 months ago 16
@gingerbreadcorpses 4. Why restrict it to babies, let's kill the old folks, handicapped and minorities too? 5. To justify the killing of an innocent human because of a desire to be promiscuous is selfishness to the highest degree.6. They already can choose when and when not to have children. It's called abstinence.
thewayofthemaster 6 months ago 20
@thewayofthemaster Yes, old and demented relatives are a drag.
kynismos 6 months ago
@thewayofthemaster i'm ashamed to say, but i used to be okay with abortion. but I've matured and recognized it's not fair. how come it's okay to kill a baby, but not an armed robber? the baby hasn't hurt anyone
cokeworthy 4 months ago
@thewayofthemaster 88% of all abortions take place long, long before what you are describing.
07Haley31 4 months ago
And hollywood knows aliens are real, children can talk to the dead, men can talk to animals, animals talk with distinct american accents to each other regardless of their country of origin, cars have their own society, there's a school for wizards, orcs, humans and elves have fought countless wars. Hollywood truly is a font of knowledge.
elsparx 10 months ago 9
if hollywood sas it it must be true, gimme a break
joemoin 11 months ago
I believed what happened next.. Can religious nuts stop saying the only reason I'm not religious is because I can't believe anything?
9hello123 1 year ago
two words... Elmer Gantry.
systris 1 year ago
Michael Caine also played an abortionist in "The Cider House Rules", and in response to pro-lifers' protests of the film, made it clear that he was pro-abortion.
marypeck 1 year ago
Hitler's mom was going to get an abortion but was talked out of it by her no doubt Christian doctor
bringonthewrath 1 year ago
@bringonthewrath
so what? He still deserved the chance to live. We can't forsee the future. There are probably several great men who ccould be alive today if it weren't for abortion. Abortion kills people, whether they turn out to be good or bad. Its still wrong. 2 wrongs do not make it right!
ultimatedazzler 1 year ago 2
This only serves to show how detached religious people are from the real world. Th
mousegeek 1 year ago
So Hollywood/US society's view have changed over the past 40+ years. So what? This proves absolutely nothing other than perhaps Hollywood is more afraid of controversy these days because of the Christian Right.
Ozma3000 1 year ago
If "Hollywood" was trying to get the message across that abortion was wrong then they would of left the scene in. Its quite a powerful anti abortion piece.
ezelouie 1 year ago 19
@ezelouie Alfie #1 was filmed in England not Hollywood, prior to Roe -- I saw it back in the 60's when it first came out and yes it did show a great deal of the illegal abortion and for me and most people, it didn't sicken us because of the abortion, i.e., ending the pregnancy but because it was definitely putting the woman's life in danger, dirty, nasty conditions, etc.
07Haley31 4 months ago
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@07Haley31 Precisely why abortions should be legal
ezelouie 4 months ago
You never know what random comments will be on these hot button videos. Always a grabbag on YouTube. Anyway, Jude Law always makes intellectually sterile, image-friendly vehicles, so what the heck is the point? Remakes are less innovative than the originals? Abortion taboo was a cliche in "60s's cinema? The movie studio are nutless, actors are conscious of their politics, and everyone wanted to appeal to a wide audience and make more money? Comfort, you are lousy social critic.
marlboroman1985 1 year ago
Nice try, but no cigar.
Do abortions normally take place in people's homes?
No they do not. Alfie had an illegal abortion, because when hat was made they were still illegal and they still happened, and women used to die.
It is a pro-abortion scene. It shows how disgusting and dangerous backstreet abortions are and argue for them. It is also an end of innocence for Alfie.
So the right again rely on ignorance to spread lies. Typical.
Oscuros 1 year ago
@Oscuros
it doesn't matter if the abortion was legal or not, its still murder.
The left is worse for spreading lies if you want to get political. Just look at that sad excuse for a president and you'll see what i mean.
ultimatedazzler 1 year ago
@ultimatedazzler Cause the monkey that was in office was such a brilliant man....
T3lli 1 year ago
@ultimatedazzler and when you eat a plant or animal for food thats also a product of murder... Of course the difference is that the animals were able to somewhat understand what was going on, were fearful, and experienced pain.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
So wait, hollywood knows it's wrong because the guy says he murdered the fetus in the movie, or because they took it out of the remake? Doesn't matter, in the first case it's just that characters opinion, which says nothing about even the movie maker's opinion, let alone hollywood's, and in the second case all it means is they know that abortion is controversial and they don't want to turn people away from the movie by including it.
LanceDirk 1 year ago
So... abortion is wrong but copyright infringement isn't?
Krissam2k 1 year ago
@Krissam2k Murder compared to stealing? Are you for real?
Not sure if this person's clip of "Alfie" is a copyright infringement, but I don't think it even ranks up there with killing a human fetus. Killing an innocent human fetus is as evil as you can get. Killing 2 is twice as evil. More proof there is no god(s). Positive evolution is when the dumb kill themselves and their offspring :-)
12dollarsand78cents 1 year ago
@12dollarsand78cents one could argue that this is considered fair use.
Either way, I wont really discuss wether or not abortion is murder as I'm pro choice, and believe that the fetus is a part of the mothers body until it's born, hence she can do with it what she wishes.
Krissam2k 1 year ago
@Krissam2k the fetus is attachec to the mothers body but it is a distinct human being, hence abortion is murder.
IrrepressibleGuile 1 year ago
@IrrepressibleGuile by that logic having a tumor removed is murder as well.
Krissam2k 1 year ago
@Krissam2k a tumor is not a human being a fetus is a human being.
IrrepressibleGuile 1 year ago
@IrrepressibleGuile a fetus is no more a human being than a piece of wood is a house, so what are you saying, it shouldn't be allowed to burn wood? apparently that's someone's house
Krissam2k 1 year ago
@Krissam2k how can you say that? The only difference between you and a fetus is that you have had time to grow, a fetus is a human being thats why killing it is murder wheather you like it or not. As soon as a sperm fertilizes an egg you have a human being, all the informaion needed for the human fetus to grow is contained in the cell. I find it disturbing that u have such disdain for human life.
IrrepressibleGuile 1 year ago
@IrrepressibleGuile I don't, I just don't believe a fetus is a human being. What makes humans different from animals? free will, meta thoughs and selfawareness, a fetus has none of those things.
Krissam2k 1 year ago
@Krissam2k Hi Krissam,The thing that makes u a human is ur dna,ur dna structure is disctinctly different to any other life form. A human fetus has exactly the same dna as you, me or any human, a fetus is just a very young human being,as soon as a human sperm enters a human egg all the genetic information for a human being is already there, nothing is added. This is scientific fact u can check it for youself.From a biblical view,the bible states that God recognises us as human b4 the fetus stage
IrrepressibleGuile 1 year ago
@Krissam2k also, do you consider an adult human with severe brain damage, in a cabbage state to be a human?
IrrepressibleGuile 1 year ago
@IrrepressibleGuile That vegetative state example is a good way of demonstrating that it's more than just DNA that makes human life valuable. Yes, they are human, but since they have no thoughts and no experiences and no hope of recovering, then I don't think there's anything wrong with letting someone like that die.
LanceDirk 1 year ago
@LanceDirk , hi LanceDirk, how do you know that somebody in a vegetative state dosnt have thoughts, feelings and emotions, how would we know that they wanted to die?
IrrepressibleGuile 1 year ago
@IrrepressibleGuile Because we monitor their brain activity. Also, depending on how their brain is damaged, we can know that parts of the brain necessary to thoughts and feelings is damaged irreparably. They wouldn't want to die, but they wouldn't not want to die either, because it's not possible for them to want anything at all anymore. They're basically only a body, and only a body has no reason or desire to live.
LanceDirk 1 year ago
@LanceDirk hi, see the thing is, your assuming we know everything about the brain, there are still mysteries about it and I believe every human is a dignified being, even if they are in a vegative state, their human rights should still be respected, same thing with a fetus, a fetus' human right to live should not be overridden by abortion. Theres more to a human being than the brain waves, there is the soul and the spirit than resides within the body of human.
IrrepressibleGuile 1 year ago
@IrrepressibleGuile I'm actually not, I'm assuming that we know what we know. We know from studying the brain that you can observe thoughts by monitoring brain activity, and we know what lack of brain activity means. We don't know everything but we do know that. You can believe what you want, but there's no evidence of a soul or spirit, and there is insufficient philosophical justification for the value of a person in that state. The family still values them so they should decide.
LanceDirk 1 year ago
@IrrepressibleGuile It depends, if there's a chance for the person to actually wake up and be an independant individiual (note he/she can still be mentally retarded), then yes, it's still a human being, if not, then no, there's a reason it's called a vegetable.
Krissam2k 1 year ago
@Krissam2k just remember that the only difference between you and a fetus is time.
IrrepressibleGuile 1 year ago
@12dollarsand78cents I can think of something more evil than killing an innocent human fetus. What about raping a baby, then making another baby stab the raped baby to death? That's more evil.
9hello123 1 year ago
@9hello123 of course thats a terrible dumbass but its not worst then murdur of a human.
pmills076 11 months ago
@pmills076 That little being inside of her mother (since all fetuses begin life as females!) was alive as soon as the sperm and egg joined! Abortion IS Murder!! Killing animals is Murder! Anything that has breath in it, if it is PURPOSELY killed, it is MURDER!!!
SusanQ83642 11 months ago
@9hello123 Evil is evil...wrong is wrong...moral relativism is destroying us
TheGman4691 11 months ago
@TheGman4691 If moral relativism is wrong, what is the objective moral standard your believe is the truth
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@Krissam2k So murder is wrong, but jaywalking isn't?
12dollarsand78cents 1 year ago
Of course it's wrong, you are destroying a life. It's amazing that there are people who can actually defend killing babies, you've got to be a cold hearted son of a bitch to see any right in terminating a innocent life.
Nick1JD 1 year ago
Abortion is flat out wrong, plain and simple.
demondagger19 1 year ago
If you support abortion and you've never seen one you should watch one so at least you know what you are supporting. I imagine you will at a minimum be far less vocal in your support if you actually know what you are talking about.
YounGunner2121 1 year ago
Abortion, killing a baby inside a woman is wrong.
Even if the father of the child steals your purse, slaps you and kills your goldfish.
What you do with the baby, is what you do. Not what he did. What he did, right or wrong, is a different subject. Revenge on the baby is wrong!
Science shows that the baby is a living being.
Science shows there probably isn't a god(s). If there is a god(s), then he/she/it doesn't give a fucking shit about the life of murdered babies.
12dollarsand78cents 1 year ago
@12dollarsand78cents Jesus Said Let The Little Children come to me and DO NOT FORBID Them For of Such is The Kingdom of Heaven
Meaning When Jesus Said This 2000 ago He Was Proclaiming CHILDREN ARE IN HEAVEN! not will be or Will Go
BUT They Are THERE Noone Goes To Heaven without Jesus But He Allows Babys and Abortion Little Ones
but One Who FULLY KNOW CHRIST and Reject Him
Older then 12 or 13
They Are PEOPLE OF ADULTHOOD and Children of Eather GRACE OR WRATH
GOD Loves You.
libbyandtai 1 year ago
@libbyandtai But, there is no god or gods. Anybody can write a book, and in that book, say that book is the truth. That doesn't make it so. There is no god and if you are true to yourself, you will know that. If you are true to yourself, you also know that a human fetus shouldn't be killed.
12dollarsand78cents 1 year ago
if this is proof then hollywood also knows religion is wrong - just watch the old and new versions of Mr. Deeds.
leighgridley 1 year ago 13
@leighgridley
Religion is wrong, hmm? Yes, some religions are wrong. Religions that teach you should kill anyone who doesn't believe what you do, for example.
But religions that teach what is right and that man doesn't decide what is right (( such as the people who decided abortion should be legal )) but God does.
That's not wrong at all. Thats the only thing thats right with this world. Truth.
DazzieMetallikat 1 year ago
@DazzieMetallikat Thank you for saying the truth. Christianity DOES encourage you to eliminate those who don't believe what you do. :) What a wonderful religion.
XforeverlongingX 1 year ago
@XforeverlongingX
Wow. You're even more ignorant than you first appear. If you knew anything, you'd know thats what muslims do. Have you even ever HEARD of 9/11? Or are you just avoiding the subject. ; )
DazzieMetallikat 1 year ago
@DazzieMetallikat
I didn't say "religion is wrong". I was, however, pointing out that religious people, like the creator of this video, put more passion than thought into their arguments.
I think there are SOME positive things about religion, but I think they are outweighed by the negatives. That goes for all religions, INCLUDING the Muslims & pro-choicers you seem to hate.
Why not just be a good person and forget the supernatural stories? Then we can have intelligent conversations. :) Peace
leighgridley 1 year ago
@leighgridley
Because for one, being a good person won't get you into heaven. You can't do it by yourself.
And for two, what some people would consider being a good person, includes things like murder. You don't think people followed what Hitler was saying because they thought he was a BAD person, do you?
Muslims kill people. As far as I'm concerned, their bad outweighs their good and I don't want people like that, who kill people just for not believing what they do, in my country.
DazzieMetallikat 1 year ago
@DazzieMetallikat
1. I'm a good person, but not just to "get to heaven". I do it because in my small, modest way, it makes the REAL world a better place.
2. I'm hoping you meant to say "Fundamentalist Muslims like Al Quida" not "Muslims" because 99.9% of Muslims don't kill people. If so, I agree.
3. Do you have the logic to dislike a crazy, murdering fundamentalist Christian AS MUCH as you dislike a crazy, murdering fundamentalist Muslim? If not, do you realize that you are not a fair person?
leighgridley 1 year ago 4
@leighgridley 1. you cant get to heaven by being a good person 2. that percentage is wrong but its not like every muslim is a bad person
3. a christian wouldnt be a crazy murdering fundementalist and neither would a muslim on average as you say
Burgerboy58 1 year ago
@Burgerboy58
You totally missed all 3 points man.
1. NO-ONE, inc. the Pope or the world's greatest scientist or philosopher KNOWS if heaven exists, let alone how to get there. I was simply saying what motivates ME to be a good person on this planet. It isn't a biblical heaven.
2. Neither one of us "knows" a percentage, but divide number of Muslims worldwide by number of known Muslim terrorists and you will get an INCREDIBLY small number.
3. That WAS my point. Dazzie said "Muslim's kill people".
leighgridley 1 year ago
@leighgridley :D
Burgerboy58 1 year ago
@DazzieMetallikat
Just to get an idea of where you are at on an intelligence level...please tell me:
Do you ever even CONSIDER that Christianity and the Bible might be wrong in parts or completely?
Or do you believe in Christianity and the Bible "no matter what"?
leighgridley 1 year ago
I don't see how this is "proof" that Hollywood thinks abortion is wrong. 'Hollywood' is just an umbrella term, and does not "THINK" anything! The reason they left that scene out in the remake is probably more to do with the fact that all they wanted to show was the sex and light-hearted stuff! The hypocrisy of this channel is hilarious. They'll use something that promotes fornication of the highest order completely out of context to try and prove some vague point that doesn't even make sense..
Sadhbhishness 2 years ago
very good video!! im so glad that that was put into that movie. very well done. thank u!
DizzieLizzie02 2 years ago
I'm just constantly amazed and awed at the level of stupidity that comes from this channel. A cut scene from a movie is not "proof" that "Hollywood" has an opinion about abortion. And Kirk and Ray are not using fair use to "teach" anything (unless to teach us they are idiots) but to present a flawed and unverified opinion. It's as if Kirk and Ray have regressed back to the 2nd grade or something, just sad.
whanethewhip 2 years ago
@whanethewhip Never mind those people giving you a thumbs down, that was very well put and perfectly logical. Right you were.
Sadhbhishness 2 years ago
Well said, whane. To imply that a collective entity of people of varied backgrounds and life experience aka "Hollywood" would share a common ANYTHING is preposterous.
thegirl44 1 year ago
@whanethewhip your the only smart one in this comment section
econchick 1 year ago
How many cells do you need so you can have "human rights"?
kvash3154 2 years ago
@kvash3154
Enough to be a human, instead of just a collection of cells. Duh.
sullivenomous 2 years ago
Human bodies are just a collection of cells (duh). What do you think you are made of?
kvash3154 2 years ago
@kvash3154
I'm a collection of cells, plus consciousness (also the result of a collection of cells). A fetus doesn't have consciousness, so it is JUST cells.
sullivenomous 2 years ago
So consciousness is just a collection of cells too. So what makes it so special that it must have "human rights"? Of course I guess I should ask why you believe that "human rights" are real and not just something made up by a "collection of cell".
kvash3154 2 years ago
@kvash3154
Human rights ARE just concepts made up by a collection of cells. I'm not really sure I agree with using the word "rights" in the first place. "human rights" aren't exactly universal, unfortunately. Its a completely foreign concept in most of the world.
sullivenomous 2 years ago
So then there is no difference between killing a collection of cell without consciousness(fetus), and killing a collection of cells with consciousness( you or me).
kvash3154 2 years ago
@kvash3154
Oh come on, that's a ludicrous argument, and I said nothing to imply that. We're naturally inclined to want to preserve sentient life, for well-defined evolutionary reasons,. But a fetus, without any sort of sentience, isn't any different from a plant, or other non-sentient multicelled organisms.
sullivenomous 2 years ago
We are inclined to kill, and if it can all come down to just cells, then even rape, stealing, oppressing, slavery, and any other thing we do is just a part of are nature. I'm not sure how you can say different.
kvash3154 2 years ago
@kvash3154
We're inclined to kill for tribalistic reasons, yes. Not random ones. It DOES come down to just cells, and yet we're still able to create ordered, fairly just societies that respect human life and dignity.
sullivenomous 2 years ago
"tribalistic reasons" also come from our cells too. You already claim that all that we do comes from are cells, whether we try to save a life or try to kill a life. And how is our societies with human dignities/values/worth not apart of "tribalistic reasoning", that only comes from cells? Just how do you believe that it matters at all? All that we do comes from the same source, our cells, so why do you believe that one way is "better" then another?
kvash3154 2 years ago
@kvash3154
It doesn't matter, not objectively. But subjectively, preserving human life and dignity is preferable to not, because it is provides the most comfort for the most number of people. That's it, really. No more complex than that.
sullivenomous 2 years ago
Which means there is no "objective" reason to argue the point. And as for "subjective" why does it matter? In other words, why is what you or anyone "prefer" matters? Example: two possible laws could be made one for abortion or one against abortion, but both would be "objectively" meaningless, because there is no such thing as meaning. The "subjective" is also without meaning as well.
kvash3154 2 years ago
@kvash3154
Objectively, sure. The universe doesn't care about that issue one bit. But people do. So from our subjective human perspective, these issues do matter. And since humans are the only conscious beings in the universe (that we know of), what's most comfortable to us is preferred.
I'm done arguing. Its been an engaging back and forth though. Thanks for not getting all riled up and resorting to name-calling like so many people on Youtube.
sullivenomous 2 years ago
It was very engaging, thank you for that. I enjoyed having a real discussion and not a insult match as well.
kvash3154 2 years ago
oh believe me. they have conciousness.
DizzieLizzie02 2 years ago
I was just trying to prove a point, that their argument is meaningless, using their own standards to show them why, if they were correct that they were "cutting their own throats" in a way. To believe in "subjective meaning" is a delusion, its a belief that lets them do what ever they feel is right, even kill.
kvash3154 2 years ago
Haha! "Proof" "Hollywood" they are using words i must think they havent really gotten correctly. Proof is supposed to prove somehting and Hollywood is a place, and they dont all think alike :) Besides seeing death and despair and becoming sad because of it has nothing to do with god!
swubba 2 years ago
its not just about religion..its the social aspect that MURDERING A CHILD is WRONG!...31 days a baby can cry...let their voices be heard...dont just kill the baby because its inconvent at the time!
Lulubell1295 2 years ago
Most abortions aren't performed because 'it's inconvenient at the time',that statement is a travesty.
A few days ago I (briefly) watched a documentary about a 'girl without a face'. You tell me: who has been done a favour by lettint her 'live'? Or when a woman is in serious danger of not surviving labour, who is being done a favour by letting the mother die? Is that 'murdering a child'? Is that ALWAYS RIGHT?
MindB0ggling 2 years ago
and this proves what?
film making in the 60's- 70's was about bring the real world into movies that was shocking to people at the time.
go watch any of vh1's documentaries about those decades and it will tell you that.
nowadays, people want to be entertained by action, sex, and fantasy.
almost no one is watching movies based on reality. just look at the box office from 1990 until now.
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
Wake Up Everyone!
ChristianVault 2 years ago
@ChristianVault
Yeah youre right. Its about time people wake up and stop believing in bronze age superstition.
vava54own 2 years ago
@vava54own
Like there not being a God?
ladyEulaelie 2 years ago
@ladyEulaelie
Not necessarily, there is no proof of God, and no proof of it's non existance... (Just like you can't prove that unicorn exist or dosen't...)
By bronze age superstition, I meant believing that, for example, earth is 6000 years old or that we are going to hell/heaven because some individual in the past ate from a magical tree because a magic talking snake told them to do so, and that a powerfull being has a list of 10 thing he don't want you to do, else he'll be angry.
vava54own 2 years ago
@vava54own
Is that what you think? Oh, O.K.
I'm glad that you know about a God and the 10 commandments.
ladyEulaelie 2 years ago
@ladyEulaelie
Well of course I know about the 10 commandments... I'm from a christian family.
vava54own 2 years ago
It looks like the first Alfie was way better than the second one. That moment of recognition and later self-questioning by Michael Caine were very powerful. Perhaps it's too easy for men today to send the women they impregnate to be aborted in a clinic backroom. Just bring them in "broken", vacuum them out, and return them to be used again. Maybe if men had to see what it was they were destroying they would be more thoughtful about what abortion really means.
HammerofHeretics 2 years ago
I haven't seen the remake but I remember seeing the original film with Michael Caine when it was first released in 1966. And I remember that scene also; very powerful. A great actor can convey a lot of emotion in a close-up. You don't have to see the little corpse to know what he's looking at. It is often not the men who want the abortion. It's the women. After all, in our society they are the ones who claim it as their right of "choice." Basically, it is killing babies, pure and simple.
HAMLETSGHOST100 2 years ago
Yes, it is killing babies, but I think a lot of people deceive themselves about that reality, and just like push-button warfare makes it easier to kill, so does not having to face your victim at the clinic.
HammerofHeretics 2 years ago
and this proves?
MrBlackfish011 2 years ago
I love the way they always turn thier ratings off when they show this poohockey!
crazy4carolyn 2 years ago
What proof? This film was made by Lewis Gilbert and Sheldrake Films. What makes this film Hollywood? I enjoy watching your videos, but I wish that you used a little more critical thinking and research to connect phenomena to concepts.
dancingguyinc 2 years ago
if life starts at conception, than pulling out is just as bad as an abortion, because your killing millions of potential humans.
riles5446 2 years ago
Yep, the opinion of one director must be absolutely right because it coincides with your own belief.
Abortion is not murder, because a fetus is not recognized as an individual by law, because a fetus cannot live outside of the mother. End of story.
SexedUpAtheist 2 years ago
Wrong!
shaithinshoe 2 years ago
Typical Christian response: an unqualified statement.
SexedUpAtheist 2 years ago
Typical atheist ? nothing to contribute? only insults?
shaithinshoe 2 years ago
I contributed my opinion on the obvious fallacy of accepting the belief of a single person or entity (in this case, the director and/or "Hollywood") as absolute fact, and pertinent information regarding the law concerning abortion.
I did not contribute a single insult: merely perceptive observations, such as the fact that you have contributed nothing but verbal disagreement with my post, which was based on... well, nothing, actually.
Feel free to correct that error on your part.
SexedUpAtheist 2 years ago
well the PM had insults.
and the fact is that life begins at conception. no matter what any human made law states.
have a nice day.
shaithinshoe 2 years ago
Yeah, I don't remember PMing you, but if I insulted you then you most likely deserved it.
The idea that the fertilized egg is alive is irrelevant: the fertilized egg cannot survive on its own, and is completely dependent on the mother for survival: ergo, it is a part of the woman's body, and she has full and complete right over it by law, no matter what your fictional storybook says about it.
I did have a nice day, thanks! You have one, too: on me!
SexedUpAtheist 2 years ago
lets see you long you survive naked in the middle of antarctica. or would you be dependant on other animals and plants to eat and live ?
shaithinshoe 2 years ago
Is a loaded [false] analogy the best you can do? Why not just save yourself the embarrassment and just admit that I'm right, and you're wrong?
SexedUpAtheist 2 years ago
if i am wrong please tell me why you are not allowed to break Bald Eagle eggs?. and many other eggs of endangered species ???..
Answer: Because it is a well known fact that an un-hatched egg is alive.
and an un-born baby is alive.
it doesnt miraculously start living only ONCE it has hatched or is born..
shaithinshoe 2 years ago
Now you're being disingenuous.
Obvious Man says: "It's because they're ENDANGERED SPECIES!!!"
Not because they're alive.
We're more than welcome to fry up the eggs of non-endangered species of birds, and we do it on a daily basis.
Wise man once say: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open the mouth and remove all doubt.": too bad you're just now learning it.
SexedUpAtheist 2 years ago
@SexedUpAtheist
you are being disingenuous.
shaithinshoe 2 years ago
How old are you? 5?
SexedUpAtheist 2 years ago
he actually stated he point quite well (whether I agree or not is another story). You just saying "wrong!" with no explanation why he's wrong is not a good arguement on your part. You may have well just not replied. Again, I'm not even saying I agree with his views, just making an observation form an outsider's view. And he really didn't insult you.
falconflyer34 2 years ago
I'm an atheist and I believe abortion is wrong. However, I do think that it is the best thing under certain circumstances - serious deformities etc.
tw25rw 2 years ago
Hitler killed those who were undesirable, or had deformities, etc.
just sayin :P
BeyondLame 2 years ago
abortion is horrible, legal murder.. GOD HELP YOU ALL
LifeTruths 2 years ago
No, you're not. I think abortion is wrong. And, plenty of other people do too. :)
Kory1J 2 years ago
am i the only one to think that little babies are actually humans and killing them is actually murder?
RozyczkaProAna18 2 years ago
Proof: Hollywood knows murder and everything else in Psycho is RIGHT! because they re-made it shot for shot.
That's what your logic is saying.
Fnordinary 2 years ago
omfg... wow
circutracer150 2 years ago
Nice Hollywood-type drama inducing sound effects to drive the point home (whatever that is)
robobrow 2 years ago
Well I don't "NeedGod" but I do know that abortion is just a fancy form of murder carried out for the momentary convenience of people who don't want the responsibility of caring for their own offspring.
GDR352 2 years ago
Perhaps, instead of "Hollywood knows abortion is wrong" it's "Hollywood knows abortion controversy won't sell tickets"?
jursamaj 2 years ago 9
nothing is wrong with abortion do you know how many teenage girls are raped and have to give babies? it's perfectly fine would you rather let the baby live a horrible life knowing it was not supposed to be on this world and maybe the mother can't pay for child care? I've never understood why you crazy people think it's a horrible thing
Alterna123 2 years ago
alterna
can't say for certain but im like 51% sure if u could somehow ask the fetus, "hey ur mom is poor and your hmo will be shitty, do u want us to kill you?" the baby would probably say "fuck you, let me live, i'll take my chances."
i don't think abortion is a horrible thing, i do however think that being a pussy and trying to make it seem like no one is getting killed, is disrespectful to the fetuses that have had the misfortune of knowing death b4 they got the chance to know life.
Kafka1479 2 years ago
I'm so glad I'm pro-choice and not too pussy to get an abortion!!!! Sucks for you guys!
sorry4living 2 years ago
Dude, I leik TOOOTALLY had an aboorshunz and leik, zomg, DON'T REGRET IT....but I am leik sorry4livinz in this "X-tian Nationzzz".
sorry4living 2 years ago
People like you shouldn't really have children anyway
InsaneKamui 2 years ago
Thanks. :-) I'm glad we both agree. I'm definitely tired of breeders telling me I should have children. I am pro-choice and childfree, because I believe every child a wanted child. And, well, that is one burden I would not want to put on another, or our mother Earth. We are already depleting the fuck out of our natural resources, yet nobody gives a shit. Especially the assholes getting publicity for popping out 20 kids, like the Duggar assholes...or even Octomom.
sorry4living 2 years ago
If I could give you 5 thumbs up, I would. The concept of two children per household; one child to replace each parent is a difficult idea to push. As long as ideas such as "created in gods image" and "be fruitful and multiply" hold ground, we can never understand how parasitic our species as a whole really is. Planet Earth is our heaven and we should be thankful for the short window of opportunity humanity has been shown. Humanity is not as significant the Bible suggests.
cockercane 2 years ago
Why, thank you! I'm thrilled we at least have SOME sense here. I can't wait to move out of bible-thumping America. I'm tired of everyone here saying "ohh, every country is the same.... there are Christians everywhere." Um, WRONG! Nowhere else has 84% of the countries population devoted to G-Sus (saw on some morons license plate today on my way home from work). No where else is THIS bad about religiously (religulously) taking our civil liberties, when this is supposed to be a FREE NATION.
sorry4living 2 years ago
sorry4lving
haha dude keep telling urself that by aborting fetuses you are somehow doing them a favor. what a load of shit. i am pro choice bc child birth is something i cant do. so its nonsense for me to tell a woman what she has to do regarding that subject. but dont be a fuckin muppet. abortion is killing the fetus. abortion is not looking out for the well being or future of the kid. abortion is telling the kid, i'd rather kill u now, than have to compromise my lifestyle by having you.
Kafka1479 2 years ago
Are you fucking kidding me? YOU think you're pro-choice? There is no way. Now go back to your bigoted lifestyle and leave us alone!
sorry4living 2 years ago 2
sorry4,
i have nothing against women having the right to control their own bodies. i am pro choice. but i will call bullshit when i see someone like u trying to tell people that a fetus is somehow better off by being killed/aborted.
Kafka1479 2 years ago
THAT is not pro-choice my dear, that is pro-fetus. One can only hope that one day, you will be stuck with an unwanted pregnancy.
sorry4living 2 years ago
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isn't everyone pro fetus??! i now girls that have had abortions and they werent celebrating the idea of killing the fetus. although in your case you probably throw a party and go on a rant about how you're a hardcore feminist now.
abortion is a woman's right. i believe that 100%. i just think that your celebration of killing a fetus is in poor taste.
btw, i don't get "stuck" w unwanted pregnancy bc i use birth control. you should try it.
Kafka1479 2 years ago
How are you so pro-choice when you de-humanize women for CHOOSING what they want when it comes to a serious, life changing matter? How are you pro-choice when you're harassing women for CHOOSING what's best for them? Keep telling yourself you're pro-choice. You're not fooling anyone. You're a TROLL.
P.S. - Have you ever heard of a little thing called BIRTH CONTROL FAILING???? Yup, it happens. I've known a woman to get pregnant using three types of bc at the SAME time. Zomgosh!!!!
sorry4living 2 years ago
if u are on 3 types of birth control and u get pregnant, u might be retarded.
Kafka1479 2 years ago
cont sorry4liv,
repeatedly getting pregnant and having abortions is not an expression of feminism. its a clear sign of emotional immaturity. in ur case u were probably the insecure girl in highschool who ended up having sex w the entire JV football team in an attempt to fill a gaping hole in your life. no pun intended.
Kafka1479 2 years ago
FIRST of all, one does NOT have to have an abortion to support choice. Secondly, I disregard many sports, especially super-commercialized football, so your statement is nonsense. Third, MY abortion I did have (not that it's any of your fucking business) was when I was 18, and *GASP!* out of high school. I was in a relationship at the time. Having a child is out of the question for me. (Again, MY business).....Lastly, having an abortion does not make one a whore....again, a biased statement.
sorry4living 2 years ago
(cont...)
And, also, immature. Anyone can have an abortion.... Yes, even MARRIED COUPLES have abortions. I fail to see how me respecting choice and life (to not bring another unwanted child into the world to be abandoned/abused/dumpsterised) would be misconcepted as "immature". Abortion will NOT go away, simply because a few million people have a problem with it. Get over yourself.
sorry4living 2 years ago 2
i'll say it yet again, my problem isnt with abortion but with your glorification of the process and your implication that people who are against it are "pussy". THATS IMMATURE! reread this so you'll stop bringing up shit that doesnt to relate to the matter at hand.
Kafka1479 2 years ago
@sorry4living Yes. Even if made illegal, some women will continue to have abortions. But they've always had that "choice." And they've always chosen to act irresponsibly, including married couples. It does not make abortion right. It's NEVER right. And the under 1% cases of conception through rape is miniscule (check Planned Parenthood's own Guttenmacher Institute) even in those cases the children are innocent and the man should pay for his crime, not the child.
64eugenia 1 year ago
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ps- if i ever unintentionally got a girl pregnant, i would support whatever decision SHE made.
Kafka1479 2 years ago
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