the problem is, there are some uneducated people who, believe every word in the bible. i think that religion is the failure to human kind because there have been many wars about what religion to believe in, which have halted the revolution of the human race, but if we didn't believe in a religion there wouldn't be any creativity i.e art, and so on. this topic isn't enough for only just a few minutes or only 500 word, because it has been over viewed so many times...bla blah blah...
In addition even the BIBLE discusses the one and only form of evolution talking in Genesis about "animals after their kinds" which is what we know is the one and only scientifically observed evolution MICRO EVOLUTION. I tell you. Wake up and smell the coffee. The Bible has been attacked for the stupidest damn reasons but people completely overlook the fact that on the points that COUNT spiritually and scientifically the BIBLE has been right on long before evolution was "created".
The scientific community would disagree that only microevolution has been observed. How do you account for the mountains of evidence that supports the theory of evolution? Do you not have faith in the scientific method to discover the truth?
You are a piece of work!!! It is a FACT Scientific FACT that micro-evolution is the ONLY observable type of evolution out of the seven kinds. If they would disagree that would discredit them since there is not one shred of evidence to support their claim! Not one SHRED!! They would cease to be scientists and would then have to fall back on what you call "FAITH". Evolution is a FAITH just as much if not more than Christianity. Only...Christ HAS been observed evolution has not.
So you believe in a monumental conspiracy in which most of the world, including most christians, is participating?
Also, as an example of the theory of evolution working, the theory of evolution predicted that one human chromosome is the result of two chromosomes found in apes fused together. We found it, it is chromosome 2. It is clearly made from two ape chromosomes fused together. It has bits in the middle of it that should only ever be at the end. Why would god make humans that way?
and let us make a place that functions not in CHAOS or random acts but with mechanisms such as birth death light darkness
let us make them INTELEGENT and capable of CHANGING THE THING WE SPENT BILLIONS OF YEAR PERFECTING that in 100 of their rotations around a star they will be able to destroy all of it...YEAH BACK TO NOTHING
for if no one is there to hear a tree fall who cares
Evolution while it is popular and a simple theory is the stupidest and most faulty theories there are out there while at the same time seems to breed huminists, racists and nazi anti-social parasites like roaches. Darwin was wrong. There are 7 kinds of evolution and only one of them is scientifically testable and observed in nature. The other six are FANTASY. Evolutionists can all go fuck themselves. Eat this you pig Richard Dawkins. Fuck you.
AAH, I should have watched this one before I commented on the pro choice one. I was right. Evolution has never been proven empirically, nor has Creation. Yet, if you were to see the world through my eyes, you would see that the world around us fits creation and all biblical acounts........perfectly.
Evolution is a scientific theory. That means it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt. Every experiment and observation that has been thought up has failed to disprove it so it qualifies as a theory. Do you think there is some sort of monumental conspiracy in science to hide the truth?
Science is wonderful. I aim to teach after I graduate. I have nothing againts science, just the "scientific community". You see, I feel that since darwin's book, "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.", which has alarming amounts of racism, the "scientific community" has gone far out of the way to try and keep this hypothesis alive. Falling for hoax after hoax, experiment after experiment.
Just had to start in with the immature name calling, didn't you? Feel graced that I wasted this much of my time to say no, Jr. If you read my previous comments you'd see that we're are speaking of science. Creation can not be proven because it cannot be tested, much like evolution. Your ignorance baffle me and the innate fact that you've clearly never looked beyond the theory of evolution shouts your ignorance and/or stupidity from the roof tops. Have a great life and kindly jog off
So something comes out of nothing? Even the Greeks gave up on a "prime matter" and switched to being/existence as coming first,then matter. Its more amazing that there is being rather then nonbeing. Creation comes out of personhood, not the other way around.
God would be outside of the loop of creation & cause according to Aristotle & Thomas Aquinas. Its still head trip either way to think of something that always was. I see mystery not as an Excuse to abandon reason, but to apply reason and fathom the depths of being/creation. We may never comprehend in totality, but reason can help us to understand a little more of the mystery with every passing generation.
Darwin never went into the intricate details on how living beings developed emotions. Did they evolve within? How does an ape-like beast evolve into today's man without theorizing love, anger, kindness, cruelty, and hate?Peace and war? How does ape-like beasts go from being savaged to civilized? Who taught them? Based on evolution, man has not finished evolving, it will never reach a final conformation. Today's man is the final stage?
A vast amount of work on evolution has followed Darwin's and it has covered the evolution of emotions. Our emotions are the product of the evolution of survival reflexes and social techniques. They are a feature of humanity key to its success. Emotions do not need to be thought about to develop. There is a long and fairly well understood development of civilisation by trial and error. Civilisations evolved. Today's man is not the final stage, evolution is always an ongoing process.
Also! I'm aware of fake Christians that are hypocrites, liars, and practically satanic! The Bible mentions them as well, which makes it more credible.
Being Christian does not mean you're perfect, it means you're perfect in Christ because you received Him! While on the Earth, you recognize sin, right from wrong (and there is such a thing!)
Vaatrad, I want to encourage you to turn back to your early Christian roots! You are incredibly intelligent, you're just facing the wrong direction.
Different Christian denominations lack the authority to criticise each other because they do not have anything substantial to base their claims on, only their own interpretations of the Bible.
Vaatrad, That is very true, too. Christianity, indeed, has different branches. However, just because it has a disperse viewing, it's to be deemed false?
Again, to be metaphorical, I liken it to a favorite sports team. Do all fans of that particular team represent one another? Of course not! The only common connection is the sports team. For example, if the Miami Dolphins' fans decide to beat up the opposing team's fans, does that mean they're representing me as well, since I'm a fan?
The denominations of Christianity all claim to know the mind of the same god, they all claim the same substantiation, and yet, they disagree. How is someone to choice between them?
Vaatrad, Earlier you mentioned that there are Christians who believe the evolutionary process. That would be true and accurate.
I remember this lady back in 1992, who went to a Presbyterian church believed God utilized the ape to man process. When I pointed out that that was contradictory, she became upset and chastised me verbally. So, you're right, that belief is held by some Christian-believers.
Vaatrad, That is a good point. Christians indeed interpret the scriptures differently.
For example, the part that talks about the handling of serpents, and some took that to mean to literally handle venomous snakes!!! Some got bit and died!! I must admire their bravery and faithfulness, but they definitely misunderstood.
So, in response to your comment of Christians "not having anything substantial", that's not true at all. The life and times of Jesus Christ, the Lord is our substantiation.
What is yours? An ape?!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry, an ape-like creature that's no longer around?
So, it's not really a matter of convincing, it's knowing. If the Bible was truly a grand hoax, then none of us would be here! Not me, you, or Charles Darwin. Just pure nothingness.
Hell was created for Satan and his fallen angels, not for me or you or anyone! It is the choice of the accountable individual to make up their mind to serve God, Satan, or the world. Two of those are not very wise.
I know it sounds insane, but Vaatrad, there is a God that loves you very,very much after all!!
I do not find the arguements/evidence for Christianity convincing. It would be intellectually dishonest of me to believe in it. Any god that does not value intellectual honesty should not be left responsible for people's souls.
Vaatrad, Isn't that blasphemy? I suppose you can not blaspheme a God you don't believe in.
What about the giving of own free will? God is not going to force feed you anything. If you want to accept the evolution doctrine over Christian doctrine, isn't that giving you an option? The freedom to make up one's own mind? I would consider that "valuing intellectual honesty".
I make use of my free will by choosing intellectual honesty which, given what I know or think I know and how I choose to scrutinise it, leads me to the conclusion that there most probably isn't a god and especially that no religion in history has had 'the Truth'. If there was a god I would hope it valued the choice of intellectual honesty regardless of whatever circumstance dependent conclusion was drawn.
Don't you at least find it intriguing that this Jesus Christ you deny, defeated death? As a human being on the Earth, knowing full well, that you will die some day?
Is it really fantasy to you?
Come on, Vaatrad, why?! Why?! Don't judge Christianity based on how others behave. Have you at least studied and examined enough to reach such a dismissing conclusion? Of course, atheist like to ask Christians, who made God?
As a mortal I want truth not comfort. Fear of death is not a substitute for evidence. I was raised Christian but I never felt that it was doing anything for me spiritually and I find its stories a little far fetched to say the least.
Atheists also like to ask 'why can't the universe have simply "always been"?'
Vaatrad, I didn't mention the Lord Jesus as a scare tactic, I'm just saying, isn't it worth investigating before you decide to declare it false? After all, Jesus warned more of the dangers of Hell than the paradise of Heaven.
Do you REALLY believe that this is all the life you get? Once you die, that's it, it's over?
As for atheists believing the Earth always being, didn't you say on another comment that it is "in fact only thousands"? That doesn't sound like "always". Contradiction or slip up?
I do believe that this is the only life I get, which makes making the most of my time here important. I'm quite well versed on what Christianity offers.
Atheists tend to believe the Earth is billions of years old rather than eternal. I think I did say that creationists believed the Earth to be only thousands of years old but I might have garbled the sentence by accident.
Vaatrad, I want to thank you for this extremely interesting subject. And I apologize for any rude or bad behavior. You are kind and patient.
You wrote that you believe that this is the only life you get, it's over once you die. Do you see how I have such a disagreement from a Christian stand point? What you call the end, I call the beginning of eternity. The Bible states the corruptible will rise incorruptible upon physical death.
I do see how you, being a Christian, would have a different view on the afterlife, it is quite a big part of Christianity. Just out of interest, do you think this is still linked into evolution somehow or are we simply taking these discussions else?
Ancient societies, especially ones with a poor understanding of the progression of technology, would be quite justified in being skeptical of claims of modern technology.
I find the Bible to be filled with largely irrelevent and baseless stories. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Only beliefs that hold up to the strongest crticism and evaluation deserve to be held. Organisations maitain ignorance and servitude in their followers by equating questioning with wickedness.
Vaatrad, I was watching a robin searching for worms in the yard one time. The bird made me smile because it did ,in fact, look like a miniature Tyranasaurus Rex depicted in the film, "Jurassic Park". The way it leaned forward and ran. Of course, the T-Rex had tiny (useless)arms and the robin had none.
How in the world did reptillian beasts evolve into the bird family of today? We're talking TWO entirely different species!!!
All creatures alive today, and that have ever existed, share a single common ancestor. They are all related. Wikipedia will tell you that "Over a hundred distinct anatomical features are shared by birds and theropod dinosaurs." These include: feathers, skeleton, lungs, heart and sleeping posture, reproductive biology, brooding and care of young, use of gizzard stones and molecular evidence and soft tissue. They are very similiar.
At the end of the ABC Special discussion (or debate), the host asked both sides an excellent question, and I'd like to ask you, Vaatrad, the same thing:
The scientific method is about not holding unsupported, or poorly supported, assumptions. It is about thorough investigations and internal consistency of arguements and, perhaps most importantly, the correction and improvement of knowledge, including the scientific method itself. If we are wrong it is because we did not have the time, or the intelligence, to find the truth and to check it thoroughly. It will not be because we jumped to conclusions
Vaatrad, How "thorough" was Darwin in his "time" on Earth? I find it disturbing how an intelligent man such as yourself would waste his time and focus on evolution. The exact same principles apply to everything in existence. A book can not exist without an author and a publisher. An intricate web can not exist without its spider. Skyscrapers could not exist without man's construction. Why are people and planets any different? Intelligent Design is far more convincing than evolution.
Darwin was quite thorough but no one individual needs to be completely thorough with science. Many individuals will check the work. No one individual has the authority to declare their work truth and not have it checked. At least 98% of senior biologists don't find intelligent design far more convincing than evolution. The American courts don't find intelligent design to be science at all.
Books, webs and skyscrapers can not reproduce on their own and they are things that we are sure of the origin of. If individuals reproduce with variation, and natural pressures work to select the best adapted individuals, how could species fail but to improve?
I possibly oversimplified my case by saying that those things cannot reproduce. It might be better to say that they do not form by natural processes, opposed to ones with an intelligent cause and with a purpose in mind, and that we are aware of it. It is understood how planets can form, we can see them forming around other stars, and living things can reproduce, i.e. they don't require intelligent intervention, and hence the continuation of their species can be seen as a natural process.
Seriously, Vaatrad, Darwin never theorized how life, matter, or energy began! He didn't even acknowledge astronomy. He left gaps and holes in his findings and you are satisfied that he accomplished a thorough study!!!!
The absolute true life of Christ has been documented and witnessed by people who were actually there. If you desire to scoff and deny the Gospels, then that is your privilege.
In the 150 years since Darwin any holes he left in his theory have been filled. Darwin is far from the be all and end all of the theory of evolution and the problems with his work are quite irrelevent now. Will you give up going on about how theory of evolution doesn't explain the origin of life or matter and energy? It doesn't claim to explain those things, only the origin of species.
Christ's work is as well supported as numerous other religious figures that you don't believe in.
Vaatrad, Doesn't an American court make a witness to swear on the Bible to tell the truth? Aren't they held under oath?
Furthermore, I don't think Darwin was thorough enough. His discoveries were not absolute and only speculation. Scientists have always believed something as certain, then later, discovered that belief to be wrong! Remember that Japanese fish they found that was thought to have been extinct?
The best thing about science is that it improves. Being wrong at any time isn't a problem when a general trend of improvement is assured. The church for a long time secured the belief, under pain of death, that the earth was the centre of the universe. Science held this view for a long time too but it can, and does, accept improvement. Demonstrating that something is true or demonstrating that something is false will both improve our knowledge.
Big deal! People at one time believed the world was flat.
What I'm saying, is that you focus and trust theories and science too greatly. You only trust in things you can touch and see. Why set yourself such limitations? There are sea creatures in the sea unknown to man. Does that mean they do not exist? It seems scientific studies is your god. If you're content with that, well, I guess that's you.
I go by things unseen that I'm certain are there. Such as love, emotion, and God!
Emotions can be studied, they seem to bind all of humanity, they are a common thread and it is interesting to see how different cultures handle them in their own way. The truths we assign to emotions only extend as far as those which we can experience and observe. Gods and religions on the other hand don't find a common thread in all people. There are great, and often bloody, disagreements, largely over truths which the believers couldn't possibly know.
I will believe there are, in all likelyhood, undiscovered sea creatures because I know there are many sea creatures and that the seas are as yet far from fully explored. I will however be skeptical of any claim of any particular undiscovered sea creature you suggest if you cannot provide good evidence for it. Putting trust in theories which can be substantiated and doubting those which can't is in no way a bad thing. It is the only sensible thing to do, it's what ties us to our common reality.
Vaatrad, Have you seen the ABC Special that came on late at night with Creationist VS Atheist? The Christian side had Kirk Cameron and a friend and the opposing side had two as well. Seek it on YouTube and tell me your thoughts. It's very interesting. Of course, I think the Christian side won. Why do you think the Bible is not credible?
I still say believing the Bible and evolution is a contradiction.
I do not believe that the creation story must be taken as the absolute truth because I do not believe that its only source of authority, that being that it is the word of God, is adequetly supported. I do however find the theory of evolution and other sciences concerned with the origin the the universe very well supported, internally consistent and rigorously tested.
The theologans representing most Christians are of the opinion that not only is a literalist interpretation of the Bible unnecessary but also a great hinderence in accessing the great wonders and richness of the messages of the Bible and of the universe God created.
Vaatrad, "rigorously tested"??? Which has been around longer, the Bible or Charles Darwin? Which can better answer the child-like, mysterious question of, which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Did you know Darwin NEVER mentioned in his studies on how life began? What is this ridiculous notion I keep hearing about, "lightning in a mud puddle"??!!!!That's what you believe on how life originated??!!!!!!!! Vaatrad, pleeeeeease!! Tell me you don't believe that!!!
The Bible has been around longer. That does not mean it has been rigorously tested. Evolution can explain, with much supporting theory and evidence, that the egg came first. Newton never mentioned in his theories how life began. Luckily he wasn't working on a theory of the origin of life and neither was Darwin. Darwin's book "On the Origin of Species" was on the origin of species, not the origin of life. The theory of evolution is not contingent on any particular theory of the origin of life.
You are hearing "lightning in a mud puddle" from creationists who don't understand modern theories of abiogenesis. I do believe in some form of abiogenesis but please understand this; theories of abiogenesis and the theory of evolution are seperate and distinct.
Vaatrad, You may or may not have heard of a new documentary entitled, "EXPELLED: NO INTELLIGENCE ALLOWED" with Ben Stein.
I would encourage you to view it. Not as an argument piece or to change your mind, but, just to get your take on it after watching it.
By the way, in the 1993 film, "Jurrasic Park", there is a character that suggests dinosaurs evolved into birds. I understand that the film is fiction, but do you really believe that?
I heard of Expelled and I may well watch it if I have the chance. I have seen numerous clips from it which have been commentated on quite professionally by a user named Thunderf00t. I would ask you to view his videos 'Why do people laugh at creationists?' Parts 22, 23 and 24 for a critique of that film that you might find enlightening.
I have heard that there is some debate over which earlier species of animal birds evolved from. I do not believe that they spontaneous came into being. I do understand that the theory that birds evolved from dinosaurs is quite well supported so I am quite happy to accept it for the time being.
"There could have been no Holocaust without Darwinism"
------- Ben Stein
Vaatrad, Even as a youth I called evolution "evil illusion". It's ridiculous and impossible. I was just interested in your answer, which I find laughable.
Evolutionist/Darwinist deny Intelligent Design because they fool themselves into believing there is no God, then there is no accountability of immoral acts such as abortion, lying, the Holocaust,etc.
You have the intelligence to know better, shame on you!!
The impossible evolution theory is just that! A theory. The Holy Bible is right on target about people, time, and locations, it can't be a bunch of guess work. I think the guy in this video is very creepy, he reminds me of a spider talking to a fly or the devil. But, in fairness, the Lord Jesus died for him, too. I hope he leaves the dark for the light. It's his option.
You are using the word theory in the colloquial sense. In colloquial terms the theory of evolution is a fact. In scientific terms however it is a theory (a very high distinction). Do you mistrust the scientific method or merely believe that it has made colossal mistakes in a great many fields that it is yet to pick up on?
Vaatrad, Besides, all your credibility goes out the window for you because you refer to an unborn baby as a "creature". That gives me chills. I don't mean to be rude, but you come off as very Christopher Lee/Dracula.
So, Christianity is hogwash and evolution is factual in your eyes? Yes, you offered an explanation to another person, so I ask you again,...if humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes today? How can both forms co-exist at the same time? And no mid-forms?
3. Humans and apes both evolved from a common ape-like ancestor. Natural selection does not arbitrarily favour the traits that we see as advanced, such as high intelligence. Natural selection favours the traits which make the organism better suited to its environment than its rivals...
...When the jungles/forests that the ape-like ancestors lived in began to shrink some of the ape-like ancestors were forced to live on the growing savanah where an upright gait, reduced body hair and tool use, i.e. high intelligence, were favoured by natural selection. The ape-like ancestors who remained in the jungles/forests changed little as they were already very well suited to their environment...
...As humans became better suited to open land they did not find themselves in competition with the forest dwelling apes. As the human population grows we are forcing ape populations to extinction. There are still apes because we haven't had the need for their forests long enough to wipe them all out. It's a work in progress if we choose not to stop it. Both forms co-exist by occupying different environments...
...There is fossil evidence of numerous transitional forms but none survive today as only a handful of all the lineages that there have ever been survive today. Any intermediate forms would have been in competition with humans and humans emerged the victor, wiping them out. The ape species that survived were the ones that weren't in competition with humans...
...Humans have eliminated most of the world's large land animal species. Africa retains more than the other continents because the large animals there evolved along side humans and had a chance to adapt to tool-using human hunters.
"As humans became better suited to open land, they did not find themselves in competition with the forest dwelling apes", you said.
There is no competition between man and ape. If a man had a weapon of some kind, an ape would STILL overpower him. Can you imagine an entire group of them? Apes have canines that are no match against a human. An ape's body strength is more powerful than a human's. Natural selection should have apes dominating man, after all, apes do acquire brilliance.
Competition is not the same as fighting. Domination can be achieved by numbers and control of resources. If smart humans could gather all the available food before the apes could get their hands on it the apes would starve.
You use "favored" again. Natural selection discriminates? What about the Holocaust? "Survival of the fittest"?
Darwinism leads to social Darwinism. Darwinist believe some races are superior to other races and the "superior" races have it as their moral duty to eliminate the "lesser races". This is offensive and disgusting.
Apes are creatures alive today so their common ancestor with humans would not technically have been ape but for all intents and purposes it is like an ape. Natural selection 'favours' certain traits in certain environments in the way a square hole favours square pegs, the round ones don't get through. The "survival of the fittest" applies to natural selection but it isn't to be encouraged. The Holocaust was a case of artificial, not natural, selection.
Darwinism leads to Social Darwinism in the way that the theory of gravity leads to people thinking that dropping rocks on other people is a good idea. Science concerns itself with how the world works, not how to behave towards other people. Even if the theory of evolution led to Social Darwinism, and here is a very important point, it would not in any way make the theory of evolution invalid or untrue.
Vaatrad, You evolution theorists have only one animal of today that would make evolution appear possible.
That would be the platypus. If ALL the other existing creatures, including man, had physical parts such as that, then maybe, the evolution theory would have credibility. It loses credibility when it focuses on the ape only. Just because humans and apes have a similar body shape, we're blood related?
Wikipedia puts it quite well: "Natural selection is the process by which favorable heritable traits become more common in successive generations of a population of reproducing organisms, and unfavorable heritable traits become less common. Natural selection acts on the phenotype, or the observable characteristics of an organism, such that individuals with favorable phenotypes are more likely to survive and reproduce than those with less favorable phenotypes. "
Natural selection acts to steadily increase the number of individuals with favourable traits and reduce the number with unfavourable traits. It is an unintelligent process. Do you imagine that natural selection would not occur, that somehow poorly favoured individuals or groups would not be out-competed by the well favoured ones?
Most Christians see the story of Genesis and some other parts of the Bible as metaphors or allegory and can reconcile Christianity and science. Most Christians see important messages and truths in text that they don't take to be a literal historical record. They find that easier than trying to work out how a compassionate god could create a universe that appears to be billions of years old while it is infact only thousands.
do you ever get out of your room? or have a girlfriend? or even any friends for that matter lol, who gives a crap what you think, you think we came from gorillas and bacteria, wich doesnt make sense because if we evolved from apes how come there are still apes around now? wouldnt they all be ''evolved'' lol... anyways u belive in evolvgin from apes i belive in God, some things we wernt ment to know in this universe, God is one of them.
koodnt giv a flyin fuck since it has nothing to do with how were are how we are today, and u my friend need to stop listening to the educational bpart of my comment and read the part where it said get some frends, and i dont meen 3 gay guys sitting in a coffee shop debating evolution lol
i know the truth, that God exists, good enough for me, your so smart and so educational SOO much that youve been brain washed with that evolution bullshit, you live to much for the material world.
wait a secound, just because teh majroity dosent agree with something dosent mean its not true, and jut cuz youve never seen God dosent mean he dosent exsist, ive never seen a gorilla, an orangatang, or a chimpanze make a humen baby! and how can you belive you come from rocks? thats just silly. i mean i kno for a fact my uncle not a banana. but hey if u believe ur ancestors were thats all up to u.
Yes, the truth of a statement does not depend on how many people believe it is true, and yes, an absence of evidence for a god does not mean one doesn't exist.
That aside, do you believe that the theory of evolution states that gorillas, orangutans or chimpanzees can or do give birth to human young? Do you believe that the theory of evolution states that life began in rocks? Do you believe that the theory of evolution states that we are descended from bananas?
I don't know why evolution and creationism is still debated. However, there is one other developed non-totalitarian state that opposes the theory of evolution is Turkey
the problem is, there are some uneducated people who, believe every word in the bible. i think that religion is the failure to human kind because there have been many wars about what religion to believe in, which have halted the revolution of the human race, but if we didn't believe in a religion there wouldn't be any creativity i.e art, and so on. this topic isn't enough for only just a few minutes or only 500 word, because it has been over viewed so many times...bla blah blah...
Digadogup 2 years ago
the book of genisis is meant as symbolism, not a literal translation of how theearth actually came to be.
aragorn3812 2 years ago
yes. most of the bible is figuritive. i agree with aragorn
isackfj 2 years ago
i second that motion
crAshoveRide023 2 years ago
In addition even the BIBLE discusses the one and only form of evolution talking in Genesis about "animals after their kinds" which is what we know is the one and only scientifically observed evolution MICRO EVOLUTION. I tell you. Wake up and smell the coffee. The Bible has been attacked for the stupidest damn reasons but people completely overlook the fact that on the points that COUNT spiritually and scientifically the BIBLE has been right on long before evolution was "created".
belugafishgod 2 years ago
The scientific community would disagree that only microevolution has been observed. How do you account for the mountains of evidence that supports the theory of evolution? Do you not have faith in the scientific method to discover the truth?
Vaatrad 2 years ago
You are a piece of work!!! It is a FACT Scientific FACT that micro-evolution is the ONLY observable type of evolution out of the seven kinds. If they would disagree that would discredit them since there is not one shred of evidence to support their claim! Not one SHRED!! They would cease to be scientists and would then have to fall back on what you call "FAITH". Evolution is a FAITH just as much if not more than Christianity. Only...Christ HAS been observed evolution has not.
belugafishgod 2 years ago
So you believe in a monumental conspiracy in which most of the world, including most christians, is participating?
Also, as an example of the theory of evolution working, the theory of evolution predicted that one human chromosome is the result of two chromosomes found in apes fused together. We found it, it is chromosome 2. It is clearly made from two ape chromosomes fused together. It has bits in the middle of it that should only ever be at the end. Why would god make humans that way?
Vaatrad 2 years ago
oh really?
well heres something to think about...
when some one dies elegedly the spirit LEAVES the body
if that were true
than how would doctors paramedis.etc
recusitate a dead body
if it is no longer capable of doing so?
crAshoveRide023 2 years ago
G()D is LOVE meaning a need for a companion
we are his MATE and came from his Breath just as Eve came from Adams Rib
G()D is the WORD meaning a need to tell the Good news of YAHSHUAH
a word need time and space to travel through the air
G()D is the LIFE meaning a need to conquer Death and the Grave
a life shows the need for existance
does a rock care if a tree falls
G()D is the JOY maening a need to show his Charity in a gift of GRACE
G()D is the PEACE meaning a need to end all WAR
reconorder 2 years ago
in the begining was NOTHING
and NOTHING said let us EXPLODE
and make many things that did not exist before
and let us make a place that functions not in CHAOS or random acts but with mechanisms such as birth death light darkness
let us make them INTELEGENT and capable of CHANGING THE THING WE SPENT BILLIONS OF YEAR PERFECTING that in 100 of their rotations around a star they will be able to destroy all of it...YEAH BACK TO NOTHING
for if no one is there to hear a tree fall who cares
reconorder 2 years ago
Evolution while it is popular and a simple theory is the stupidest and most faulty theories there are out there while at the same time seems to breed huminists, racists and nazi anti-social parasites like roaches. Darwin was wrong. There are 7 kinds of evolution and only one of them is scientifically testable and observed in nature. The other six are FANTASY. Evolutionists can all go fuck themselves. Eat this you pig Richard Dawkins. Fuck you.
belugafishgod 2 years ago
Would you be interested in discussing your reasons for thinking the theory of evolution is incorrect?
Vaatrad 2 years ago
AAH, I should have watched this one before I commented on the pro choice one. I was right. Evolution has never been proven empirically, nor has Creation. Yet, if you were to see the world through my eyes, you would see that the world around us fits creation and all biblical acounts........perfectly.
tylerpeppard 2 years ago
Evolution is a scientific theory. That means it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt. Every experiment and observation that has been thought up has failed to disprove it so it qualifies as a theory. Do you think there is some sort of monumental conspiracy in science to hide the truth?
Vaatrad 2 years ago
Science is wonderful. I aim to teach after I graduate. I have nothing againts science, just the "scientific community". You see, I feel that since darwin's book, "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.", which has alarming amounts of racism, the "scientific community" has gone far out of the way to try and keep this hypothesis alive. Falling for hoax after hoax, experiment after experiment.
tylerpeppard 2 years ago
Oh?
I suppose you think the bible is free from discrimination?
Obviously you couldn't because then you are either illiterate or willingly deaf dumb and blind.
Profix0 2 years ago
Just had to start in with the immature name calling, didn't you? Feel graced that I wasted this much of my time to say no, Jr. If you read my previous comments you'd see that we're are speaking of science. Creation can not be proven because it cannot be tested, much like evolution. Your ignorance baffle me and the innate fact that you've clearly never looked beyond the theory of evolution shouts your ignorance and/or stupidity from the roof tops. Have a great life and kindly jog off
tylerpeppard 2 years ago
So something comes out of nothing? Even the Greeks gave up on a "prime matter" and switched to being/existence as coming first,then matter. Its more amazing that there is being rather then nonbeing. Creation comes out of personhood, not the other way around.
"Yea think about it." Homer Simpson
PAX
teton99 3 years ago
Why should there be something rather than nothing? Why should a god be exempt from needing a reason to be?
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Good question! Have read Aristotle's Unmoved mover & how there can't be infinite regressions, that dents the mystery a bit.
PAX
teton99 3 years ago
Vaa...
For me its harder to conceieve of something coming from nothing, but existence first that I could conceieve.
PAX
teton99 3 years ago
God would be outside of the loop of creation & cause according to Aristotle & Thomas Aquinas. Its still head trip either way to think of something that always was. I see mystery not as an Excuse to abandon reason, but to apply reason and fathom the depths of being/creation. We may never comprehend in totality, but reason can help us to understand a little more of the mystery with every passing generation.
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This post should be last I went on too long.
teton99 3 years ago
Darwin never went into the intricate details on how living beings developed emotions. Did they evolve within? How does an ape-like beast evolve into today's man without theorizing love, anger, kindness, cruelty, and hate?Peace and war? How does ape-like beasts go from being savaged to civilized? Who taught them? Based on evolution, man has not finished evolving, it will never reach a final conformation. Today's man is the final stage?
greekcreek 3 years ago
A vast amount of work on evolution has followed Darwin's and it has covered the evolution of emotions. Our emotions are the product of the evolution of survival reflexes and social techniques. They are a feature of humanity key to its success. Emotions do not need to be thought about to develop. There is a long and fairly well understood development of civilisation by trial and error. Civilisations evolved. Today's man is not the final stage, evolution is always an ongoing process.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Also! I'm aware of fake Christians that are hypocrites, liars, and practically satanic! The Bible mentions them as well, which makes it more credible.
Being Christian does not mean you're perfect, it means you're perfect in Christ because you received Him! While on the Earth, you recognize sin, right from wrong (and there is such a thing!)
Vaatrad, I want to encourage you to turn back to your early Christian roots! You are incredibly intelligent, you're just facing the wrong direction.
greekcreek 3 years ago
Different Christian denominations lack the authority to criticise each other because they do not have anything substantial to base their claims on, only their own interpretations of the Bible.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Vaatrad, That is very true, too. Christianity, indeed, has different branches. However, just because it has a disperse viewing, it's to be deemed false?
Again, to be metaphorical, I liken it to a favorite sports team. Do all fans of that particular team represent one another? Of course not! The only common connection is the sports team. For example, if the Miami Dolphins' fans decide to beat up the opposing team's fans, does that mean they're representing me as well, since I'm a fan?
greekcreek 3 years ago
The denominations of Christianity all claim to know the mind of the same god, they all claim the same substantiation, and yet, they disagree. How is someone to choice between them?
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Vaatrad, Earlier you mentioned that there are Christians who believe the evolutionary process. That would be true and accurate.
I remember this lady back in 1992, who went to a Presbyterian church believed God utilized the ape to man process. When I pointed out that that was contradictory, she became upset and chastised me verbally. So, you're right, that belief is held by some Christian-believers.
greekcreek 3 years ago
Vaatrad, That is a good point. Christians indeed interpret the scriptures differently.
For example, the part that talks about the handling of serpents, and some took that to mean to literally handle venomous snakes!!! Some got bit and died!! I must admire their bravery and faithfulness, but they definitely misunderstood.
greekcreek 3 years ago
What measure are you using to determine the how the other parts of the Bible should be understood, the ones without a hard and fast way to certainty?
Vaatrad 3 years ago
So, in response to your comment of Christians "not having anything substantial", that's not true at all. The life and times of Jesus Christ, the Lord is our substantiation.
What is yours? An ape?!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry, an ape-like creature that's no longer around?
greekcreek 3 years ago
The theory of evolution is but one small part of my world view. The theory of evolution does though have vast substantiation.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
So, it's not really a matter of convincing, it's knowing. If the Bible was truly a grand hoax, then none of us would be here! Not me, you, or Charles Darwin. Just pure nothingness.
Hell was created for Satan and his fallen angels, not for me or you or anyone! It is the choice of the accountable individual to make up their mind to serve God, Satan, or the world. Two of those are not very wise.
I know it sounds insane, but Vaatrad, there is a God that loves you very,very much after all!!
greekcreek 3 years ago
I do not find the arguements/evidence for Christianity convincing. It would be intellectually dishonest of me to believe in it. Any god that does not value intellectual honesty should not be left responsible for people's souls.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Vaatrad, Isn't that blasphemy? I suppose you can not blaspheme a God you don't believe in.
What about the giving of own free will? God is not going to force feed you anything. If you want to accept the evolution doctrine over Christian doctrine, isn't that giving you an option? The freedom to make up one's own mind? I would consider that "valuing intellectual honesty".
greekcreek 3 years ago
I make use of my free will by choosing intellectual honesty which, given what I know or think I know and how I choose to scrutinise it, leads me to the conclusion that there most probably isn't a god and especially that no religion in history has had 'the Truth'. If there was a god I would hope it valued the choice of intellectual honesty regardless of whatever circumstance dependent conclusion was drawn.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Vaatrad, I will respond another time. Incidentally, I'm in responses with other video sites---including one you recommended!
Contact you later.
Farewell, for now...
greekcreek 3 years ago
Is your entire family atheists?
Don't you at least find it intriguing that this Jesus Christ you deny, defeated death? As a human being on the Earth, knowing full well, that you will die some day?
Is it really fantasy to you?
Come on, Vaatrad, why?! Why?! Don't judge Christianity based on how others behave. Have you at least studied and examined enough to reach such a dismissing conclusion? Of course, atheist like to ask Christians, who made God?
The answer is, He has always been.
greekcreek 3 years ago
As a mortal I want truth not comfort. Fear of death is not a substitute for evidence. I was raised Christian but I never felt that it was doing anything for me spiritually and I find its stories a little far fetched to say the least.
Atheists also like to ask 'why can't the universe have simply "always been"?'
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Vaatrad, I didn't mention the Lord Jesus as a scare tactic, I'm just saying, isn't it worth investigating before you decide to declare it false? After all, Jesus warned more of the dangers of Hell than the paradise of Heaven.
Do you REALLY believe that this is all the life you get? Once you die, that's it, it's over?
As for atheists believing the Earth always being, didn't you say on another comment that it is "in fact only thousands"? That doesn't sound like "always". Contradiction or slip up?
greekcreek 3 years ago
I do believe that this is the only life I get, which makes making the most of my time here important. I'm quite well versed on what Christianity offers.
Atheists tend to believe the Earth is billions of years old rather than eternal. I think I did say that creationists believed the Earth to be only thousands of years old but I might have garbled the sentence by accident.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Vaatrad, I want to thank you for this extremely interesting subject. And I apologize for any rude or bad behavior. You are kind and patient.
You wrote that you believe that this is the only life you get, it's over once you die. Do you see how I have such a disagreement from a Christian stand point? What you call the end, I call the beginning of eternity. The Bible states the corruptible will rise incorruptible upon physical death.
greekcreek 3 years ago
I do see how you, being a Christian, would have a different view on the afterlife, it is quite a big part of Christianity. Just out of interest, do you think this is still linked into evolution somehow or are we simply taking these discussions else?
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Vaatrad, You wrote, "I find its stories a little far fetched to say the least."(Referring to the Bible) Oh, really?
Think of a time when society had no Internet, cell phone, cars, planes,electricity, trains,buildings,hotels,highways,television,
elevators,esculators,vacuums,malls,zoos,etc,
etc....would have sound far fetched back then,
too!
As for the incredible, supernatural miracles that occurred, the Bible states that if they were to happen today, the wicked would STILL not believe.
greekcreek 3 years ago
Ancient societies, especially ones with a poor understanding of the progression of technology, would be quite justified in being skeptical of claims of modern technology.
I find the Bible to be filled with largely irrelevent and baseless stories. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Only beliefs that hold up to the strongest crticism and evaluation deserve to be held. Organisations maitain ignorance and servitude in their followers by equating questioning with wickedness.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Vaatrad, I was watching a robin searching for worms in the yard one time. The bird made me smile because it did ,in fact, look like a miniature Tyranasaurus Rex depicted in the film, "Jurassic Park". The way it leaned forward and ran. Of course, the T-Rex had tiny (useless)arms and the robin had none.
How in the world did reptillian beasts evolve into the bird family of today? We're talking TWO entirely different species!!!
greekcreek 3 years ago
All creatures alive today, and that have ever existed, share a single common ancestor. They are all related. Wikipedia will tell you that "Over a hundred distinct anatomical features are shared by birds and theropod dinosaurs." These include: feathers, skeleton, lungs, heart and sleeping posture, reproductive biology, brooding and care of young, use of gizzard stones and molecular evidence and soft tissue. They are very similiar.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
At the end of the ABC Special discussion (or debate), the host asked both sides an excellent question, and I'd like to ask you, Vaatrad, the same thing:
What if you're wrong?
greekcreek 3 years ago
The scientific method is about not holding unsupported, or poorly supported, assumptions. It is about thorough investigations and internal consistency of arguements and, perhaps most importantly, the correction and improvement of knowledge, including the scientific method itself. If we are wrong it is because we did not have the time, or the intelligence, to find the truth and to check it thoroughly. It will not be because we jumped to conclusions
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Vaatrad, How "thorough" was Darwin in his "time" on Earth? I find it disturbing how an intelligent man such as yourself would waste his time and focus on evolution. The exact same principles apply to everything in existence. A book can not exist without an author and a publisher. An intricate web can not exist without its spider. Skyscrapers could not exist without man's construction. Why are people and planets any different? Intelligent Design is far more convincing than evolution.
greekcreek 3 years ago
Darwin was quite thorough but no one individual needs to be completely thorough with science. Many individuals will check the work. No one individual has the authority to declare their work truth and not have it checked. At least 98% of senior biologists don't find intelligent design far more convincing than evolution. The American courts don't find intelligent design to be science at all.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Books, webs and skyscrapers can not reproduce on their own and they are things that we are sure of the origin of. If individuals reproduce with variation, and natural pressures work to select the best adapted individuals, how could species fail but to improve?
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Vaatrad, Ah-HA!! I got you to admit it! You wrote,"Books,webs, and skyscrapers can not reproduce on their own..."
See? Even YOU acknowledge that these particular three things require a creator:Author and publisher, spiders, and man's construction.
Why are all the planets and living beings any different?
greekcreek 3 years ago
I possibly oversimplified my case by saying that those things cannot reproduce. It might be better to say that they do not form by natural processes, opposed to ones with an intelligent cause and with a purpose in mind, and that we are aware of it. It is understood how planets can form, we can see them forming around other stars, and living things can reproduce, i.e. they don't require intelligent intervention, and hence the continuation of their species can be seen as a natural process.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Seriously, Vaatrad, Darwin never theorized how life, matter, or energy began! He didn't even acknowledge astronomy. He left gaps and holes in his findings and you are satisfied that he accomplished a thorough study!!!!
The absolute true life of Christ has been documented and witnessed by people who were actually there. If you desire to scoff and deny the Gospels, then that is your privilege.
greekcreek 3 years ago
In the 150 years since Darwin any holes he left in his theory have been filled. Darwin is far from the be all and end all of the theory of evolution and the problems with his work are quite irrelevent now. Will you give up going on about how theory of evolution doesn't explain the origin of life or matter and energy? It doesn't claim to explain those things, only the origin of species.
Christ's work is as well supported as numerous other religious figures that you don't believe in.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Vaatrad, Doesn't an American court make a witness to swear on the Bible to tell the truth? Aren't they held under oath?
Furthermore, I don't think Darwin was thorough enough. His discoveries were not absolute and only speculation. Scientists have always believed something as certain, then later, discovered that belief to be wrong! Remember that Japanese fish they found that was thought to have been extinct?
greekcreek 3 years ago
The best thing about science is that it improves. Being wrong at any time isn't a problem when a general trend of improvement is assured. The church for a long time secured the belief, under pain of death, that the earth was the centre of the universe. Science held this view for a long time too but it can, and does, accept improvement. Demonstrating that something is true or demonstrating that something is false will both improve our knowledge.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Big deal! People at one time believed the world was flat.
What I'm saying, is that you focus and trust theories and science too greatly. You only trust in things you can touch and see. Why set yourself such limitations? There are sea creatures in the sea unknown to man. Does that mean they do not exist? It seems scientific studies is your god. If you're content with that, well, I guess that's you.
I go by things unseen that I'm certain are there. Such as love, emotion, and God!
greekcreek 3 years ago
Emotions can be studied, they seem to bind all of humanity, they are a common thread and it is interesting to see how different cultures handle them in their own way. The truths we assign to emotions only extend as far as those which we can experience and observe. Gods and religions on the other hand don't find a common thread in all people. There are great, and often bloody, disagreements, largely over truths which the believers couldn't possibly know.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
I will believe there are, in all likelyhood, undiscovered sea creatures because I know there are many sea creatures and that the seas are as yet far from fully explored. I will however be skeptical of any claim of any particular undiscovered sea creature you suggest if you cannot provide good evidence for it. Putting trust in theories which can be substantiated and doubting those which can't is in no way a bad thing. It is the only sensible thing to do, it's what ties us to our common reality.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Opps! I'm sorry. You basically answer my question from below in your video clip here. Nevermind.
(The one about why you think Intelligent Design is false)
greekcreek 3 years ago
Vaatrad, Have you seen the ABC Special that came on late at night with Creationist VS Atheist? The Christian side had Kirk Cameron and a friend and the opposing side had two as well. Seek it on YouTube and tell me your thoughts. It's very interesting. Of course, I think the Christian side won. Why do you think the Bible is not credible?
I still say believing the Bible and evolution is a contradiction.
greekcreek 3 years ago
I do not believe that the creation story must be taken as the absolute truth because I do not believe that its only source of authority, that being that it is the word of God, is adequetly supported. I do however find the theory of evolution and other sciences concerned with the origin the the universe very well supported, internally consistent and rigorously tested.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
The theologans representing most Christians are of the opinion that not only is a literalist interpretation of the Bible unnecessary but also a great hinderence in accessing the great wonders and richness of the messages of the Bible and of the universe God created.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Vaatrad, "rigorously tested"??? Which has been around longer, the Bible or Charles Darwin? Which can better answer the child-like, mysterious question of, which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Did you know Darwin NEVER mentioned in his studies on how life began? What is this ridiculous notion I keep hearing about, "lightning in a mud puddle"??!!!!That's what you believe on how life originated??!!!!!!!! Vaatrad, pleeeeeease!! Tell me you don't believe that!!!
greekcreek 3 years ago
The Bible has been around longer. That does not mean it has been rigorously tested. Evolution can explain, with much supporting theory and evidence, that the egg came first. Newton never mentioned in his theories how life began. Luckily he wasn't working on a theory of the origin of life and neither was Darwin. Darwin's book "On the Origin of Species" was on the origin of species, not the origin of life. The theory of evolution is not contingent on any particular theory of the origin of life.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
You are hearing "lightning in a mud puddle" from creationists who don't understand modern theories of abiogenesis. I do believe in some form of abiogenesis but please understand this; theories of abiogenesis and the theory of evolution are seperate and distinct.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Vaatrad, You may or may not have heard of a new documentary entitled, "EXPELLED: NO INTELLIGENCE ALLOWED" with Ben Stein.
I would encourage you to view it. Not as an argument piece or to change your mind, but, just to get your take on it after watching it.
By the way, in the 1993 film, "Jurrasic Park", there is a character that suggests dinosaurs evolved into birds. I understand that the film is fiction, but do you really believe that?
greekcreek 3 years ago
I heard of Expelled and I may well watch it if I have the chance. I have seen numerous clips from it which have been commentated on quite professionally by a user named Thunderf00t. I would ask you to view his videos 'Why do people laugh at creationists?' Parts 22, 23 and 24 for a critique of that film that you might find enlightening.
Part 22 can be found at:
/watch?v=NiNGK3y5Ypg
Vaatrad 3 years ago
I have heard that there is some debate over which earlier species of animal birds evolved from. I do not believe that they spontaneous came into being. I do understand that the theory that birds evolved from dinosaurs is quite well supported so I am quite happy to accept it for the time being.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
"There could have been no Holocaust without Darwinism"
------- Ben Stein
Vaatrad, Even as a youth I called evolution "evil illusion". It's ridiculous and impossible. I was just interested in your answer, which I find laughable.
Evolutionist/Darwinist deny Intelligent Design because they fool themselves into believing there is no God, then there is no accountability of immoral acts such as abortion, lying, the Holocaust,etc.
You have the intelligence to know better, shame on you!!
greekcreek 3 years ago
Why is Human Chromosome 2 clearly Ape Chromosomes 8 and 13 fused together? Why would it be designed that way?
Vaatrad 3 years ago
The impossible evolution theory is just that! A theory. The Holy Bible is right on target about people, time, and locations, it can't be a bunch of guess work. I think the guy in this video is very creepy, he reminds me of a spider talking to a fly or the devil. But, in fairness, the Lord Jesus died for him, too. I hope he leaves the dark for the light. It's his option.
greekcreek 3 years ago
You are using the word theory in the colloquial sense. In colloquial terms the theory of evolution is a fact. In scientific terms however it is a theory (a very high distinction). Do you mistrust the scientific method or merely believe that it has made colossal mistakes in a great many fields that it is yet to pick up on?
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Vaatrad, Besides, all your credibility goes out the window for you because you refer to an unborn baby as a "creature". That gives me chills. I don't mean to be rude, but you come off as very Christopher Lee/Dracula.
So, Christianity is hogwash and evolution is factual in your eyes? Yes, you offered an explanation to another person, so I ask you again,...if humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes today? How can both forms co-exist at the same time? And no mid-forms?
greekcreek 3 years ago
1. The truth value of anything I say on the origin of species is not contingent on anything I say on the issue of abortion.
2. I don't think that evolution invalidates all of Christianity, only the creation myth. Most Christians accept the theory of evolution.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
3. Humans and apes both evolved from a common ape-like ancestor. Natural selection does not arbitrarily favour the traits that we see as advanced, such as high intelligence. Natural selection favours the traits which make the organism better suited to its environment than its rivals...
Vaatrad 3 years ago
...When the jungles/forests that the ape-like ancestors lived in began to shrink some of the ape-like ancestors were forced to live on the growing savanah where an upright gait, reduced body hair and tool use, i.e. high intelligence, were favoured by natural selection. The ape-like ancestors who remained in the jungles/forests changed little as they were already very well suited to their environment...
Vaatrad 3 years ago
...As humans became better suited to open land they did not find themselves in competition with the forest dwelling apes. As the human population grows we are forcing ape populations to extinction. There are still apes because we haven't had the need for their forests long enough to wipe them all out. It's a work in progress if we choose not to stop it. Both forms co-exist by occupying different environments...
Vaatrad 3 years ago
...There is fossil evidence of numerous transitional forms but none survive today as only a handful of all the lineages that there have ever been survive today. Any intermediate forms would have been in competition with humans and humans emerged the victor, wiping them out. The ape species that survived were the ones that weren't in competition with humans...
Vaatrad 3 years ago
...Humans have eliminated most of the world's large land animal species. Africa retains more than the other continents because the large animals there evolved along side humans and had a chance to adapt to tool-using human hunters.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
"As humans became better suited to open land, they did not find themselves in competition with the forest dwelling apes", you said.
There is no competition between man and ape. If a man had a weapon of some kind, an ape would STILL overpower him. Can you imagine an entire group of them? Apes have canines that are no match against a human. An ape's body strength is more powerful than a human's. Natural selection should have apes dominating man, after all, apes do acquire brilliance.
greekcreek 3 years ago
Competition is not the same as fighting. Domination can be achieved by numbers and control of resources. If smart humans could gather all the available food before the apes could get their hands on it the apes would starve.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Ape-like? You mean it's NOT a full blown ape?
You use "favored" again. Natural selection discriminates? What about the Holocaust? "Survival of the fittest"?
Darwinism leads to social Darwinism. Darwinist believe some races are superior to other races and the "superior" races have it as their moral duty to eliminate the "lesser races". This is offensive and disgusting.
greekcreek 3 years ago
Apes are creatures alive today so their common ancestor with humans would not technically have been ape but for all intents and purposes it is like an ape. Natural selection 'favours' certain traits in certain environments in the way a square hole favours square pegs, the round ones don't get through. The "survival of the fittest" applies to natural selection but it isn't to be encouraged. The Holocaust was a case of artificial, not natural, selection.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Darwinism leads to Social Darwinism in the way that the theory of gravity leads to people thinking that dropping rocks on other people is a good idea. Science concerns itself with how the world works, not how to behave towards other people. Even if the theory of evolution led to Social Darwinism, and here is a very important point, it would not in any way make the theory of evolution invalid or untrue.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Vaatrad, You evolution theorists have only one animal of today that would make evolution appear possible.
That would be the platypus. If ALL the other existing creatures, including man, had physical parts such as that, then maybe, the evolution theory would have credibility. It loses credibility when it focuses on the ape only. Just because humans and apes have a similar body shape, we're blood related?
I am NOT kin to a simian beast!!!
greekcreek 3 years ago
You said, "Natural selection does not arbitrarily favor the traits..."
Natural selection favors and disfavors?
What is "natural selection"? Is it a ponderous being? God? Automatic natural unfolding of things to become?
greekcreek 3 years ago
Wikipedia puts it quite well: "Natural selection is the process by which favorable heritable traits become more common in successive generations of a population of reproducing organisms, and unfavorable heritable traits become less common. Natural selection acts on the phenotype, or the observable characteristics of an organism, such that individuals with favorable phenotypes are more likely to survive and reproduce than those with less favorable phenotypes. "
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Natural selection acts to steadily increase the number of individuals with favourable traits and reduce the number with unfavourable traits. It is an unintelligent process. Do you imagine that natural selection would not occur, that somehow poorly favoured individuals or groups would not be out-competed by the well favoured ones?
Vaatrad 3 years ago
Vaatrad, How oxymoronic is that?!! How does one believe in Christianity and evolution?
That's the same as saying, "I'm a Christian-Atheist".
It doesn't make sense and it's contradictory.
So, that is a lie.
greekcreek 3 years ago
Most Christians see the story of Genesis and some other parts of the Bible as metaphors or allegory and can reconcile Christianity and science. Most Christians see important messages and truths in text that they don't take to be a literal historical record. They find that easier than trying to work out how a compassionate god could create a universe that appears to be billions of years old while it is infact only thousands.
Vaatrad 3 years ago
do you ever get out of your room? or have a girlfriend? or even any friends for that matter lol, who gives a crap what you think, you think we came from gorillas and bacteria, wich doesnt make sense because if we evolved from apes how come there are still apes around now? wouldnt they all be ''evolved'' lol... anyways u belive in evolvgin from apes i belive in God, some things we wernt ment to know in this universe, God is one of them.
abodigibine69 3 years ago
Would you actually like to know why there still apes around today?
Vaatrad 3 years ago
koodnt giv a flyin fuck since it has nothing to do with how were are how we are today, and u my friend need to stop listening to the educational bpart of my comment and read the part where it said get some frends, and i dont meen 3 gay guys sitting in a coffee shop debating evolution lol
abodigibine69 3 years ago
Do you not think that refusing to learn gives a good chance of leaving you ignorant of the truth?
Vaatrad 3 years ago
i know the truth, that God exists, good enough for me, your so smart and so educational SOO much that youve been brain washed with that evolution bullshit, you live to much for the material world.
abodigibine69 3 years ago
wait a secound, just because teh majroity dosent agree with something dosent mean its not true, and jut cuz youve never seen God dosent mean he dosent exsist, ive never seen a gorilla, an orangatang, or a chimpanze make a humen baby! and how can you belive you come from rocks? thats just silly. i mean i kno for a fact my uncle not a banana. but hey if u believe ur ancestors were thats all up to u.
eyebeecoolerthanyou 4 years ago
Yes, the truth of a statement does not depend on how many people believe it is true, and yes, an absence of evidence for a god does not mean one doesn't exist.
That aside, do you believe that the theory of evolution states that gorillas, orangutans or chimpanzees can or do give birth to human young? Do you believe that the theory of evolution states that life began in rocks? Do you believe that the theory of evolution states that we are descended from bananas?
Vaatrad 4 years ago
Personally I have no religon, but I highly doubt god exists, so I was having a debate with some really religious guy here is what we said:
Me: "I don't think god really exists, how would he come to be in the first place"
Him: "He is so powerful he created himself"
I don't think I really want to have a religion O_O. But anyways, I just found this cause you have the best mapping tutorials :P
jrgcool35 4 years ago
yes there is no god
dedark7070 4 years ago
Way to go Vaatrad!
I don't know why evolution and creationism is still debated. However, there is one other developed non-totalitarian state that opposes the theory of evolution is Turkey
rowsdowersavesus 4 years ago
Thanks, and thanks for that fact.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
No problem.
Turkey doesn't oppose evolution AS MUCH as the U.S.A. does, but they're easily second.
rowsdowersavesus 4 years ago
Well presented and very concise. Good stuff.
argh12345678901 4 years ago
Thanks Vaatrad for taking the time to make a video response to my show. Stay tuned for episode 15!
Castaa 4 years ago
Rather choppy, but you make some great points:
1) It [Theory of Evolution] is the best and only serious contender for a theory which fits all the evidence we have.
2) Religious ... faith ... shouldn't allow them to not believe in something that has [been proved].
These points are critical! Bravo!!
pointsoforigin 4 years ago
Ye, I know it's choppy, something to work on. And thanks for your praise.
Vaatrad 4 years ago