If he hadn't bought them then they probably would have been destroyed anyway. The Turks were destroying a bunch of statues at the time, and there is no reason to believe that these marbles would not have been included in this. Elgin wasn't the one destroying the Parthenon. And just because there isn't a record of the purchase now doesn't mean there never was. Have you never studied history before? Records get lost all the time, either on accident or on purpose.
@98softballchika & @mrspartan32 And the debate rages on. I wouldn't be too quick to lump the blame on the Turks. Granted, it was less than brilliant for them to use the Parthenon as an ammunition dump, but it was Venetian bombardment in 1687 that ignited that "powder keg." My best guess? ... The Italians were jealous that the Greeks predated the Romans. Lol!
@mrspartan32 He didn't steal them, he legitimately bought them from the Turks, who were in control of Greece at the time. Despite the modern debate over who deserves to have the marbles, Elgin did potentially save them from being broken down like so many other sculptures during the time. And technically many things named by modern scholars are 'wrong' because they apply names convenient for them to items or peoples who might actually have been called something completely different.
@98softballchika He didn't bought them, he steal them. If he had bought them then a copy of this order 'd have been in the books of the Ottoman empire but no one ever found any copy. He took them and put them on his new villa and as far from saving know that. Elgin's actions almost destroyed the Parthenon and the last 30 years the Greek Government was trying to save the building so I don't know what Elgin saved after all.
If he hadn't bought them then they probably would have been destroyed anyway. The Turks were destroying a bunch of statues at the time, and there is no reason to believe that these marbles would not have been included in this. Elgin wasn't the one destroying the Parthenon. And just because there isn't a record of the purchase now doesn't mean there never was. Have you never studied history before? Records get lost all the time, either on accident or on purpose.
98softballchika 10 months ago
@98softballchika & @mrspartan32 And the debate rages on. I wouldn't be too quick to lump the blame on the Turks. Granted, it was less than brilliant for them to use the Parthenon as an ammunition dump, but it was Venetian bombardment in 1687 that ignited that "powder keg." My best guess? ... The Italians were jealous that the Greeks predated the Romans. Lol!
SCARABsolutions 3 months ago
Elgin didn't made them, he stole them, and there for it is wrong calling them elgin marbles,
mrspartan32 11 months ago
@mrspartan32 He didn't steal them, he legitimately bought them from the Turks, who were in control of Greece at the time. Despite the modern debate over who deserves to have the marbles, Elgin did potentially save them from being broken down like so many other sculptures during the time. And technically many things named by modern scholars are 'wrong' because they apply names convenient for them to items or peoples who might actually have been called something completely different.
98softballchika 10 months ago
@98softballchika He didn't bought them, he steal them. If he had bought them then a copy of this order 'd have been in the books of the Ottoman empire but no one ever found any copy. He took them and put them on his new villa and as far from saving know that. Elgin's actions almost destroyed the Parthenon and the last 30 years the Greek Government was trying to save the building so I don't know what Elgin saved after all.
mrspartan32 10 months ago
this was by far the most boring video i hav every had to watch for art class
torylynnn27 1 year ago
@torylynnn27 A year later and I still chuckle every time I read this comment. Um ... thanks for watching? And keep that critical mind goin'!
SCARABsolutions 3 months ago