Don't listen to what these people write. Their only defense is to call you names because they have no other basis so they revert to name calling. I think your brilliant and i would rather listen to people like you than the so called "experts"! There is no possible way to make everyone happy so you just keep doing what you are doing and keep the videos coming!
A little too long for the common viewer, but you completely smashed this "expert" guy. The ending was great too but I don't think everyone watched long enough to see it.
"Free market" capitalism (deregulated, unfettered capitalism), profit-is-everything motivation goes hand-in-hand with greed. Greed does not serve the people, and whether you like it or not, you are part of the "collective" (one of the people), so WE have the right to prevent another person's greed from harming US, and you must admit that many "capitalists" readily did things to harm us in the interest of profits. Who was the right-winger who recently said we should abolish the EPA?
@FrankAndCandid You're discussing a topic you're outright illiterate in. If you'd like to discuss economics or capitalism, please learn about them first. You don't understand what profit and loss are or their functions, you try to establish authority over your political opponents via assertion ("whether you like it or not..."), misunderstand both "motivation" within capitalism AND the effects of "greed", and, finally, you're oblivious to the libertarian critique of the EPA, right or wrong. lol
I liked everything you had to say until you got to climate change. What is being said is that greenhouse gases harm the ozone, and man is creating too much of them too fast. Some think that cows create more. But I would lock myself in a barn with 50 farting cows before I would with one car with the engine running.....
What ethical capitalism is Lee Doren even getting at? Capitalism has no ethics, it is amoral by its very definition. In capitalism you are beholden to earn more profits because the self-seeking narrow self interest oriented towards profit will magically produce social and environmental well being as was stated by Smith and Locke's religion of the free market. Don't worry about ethics, if we seek self-maximization for means of profit everything will turn out fine. Or so the theory goes.
@DaniOcean Actually Smith states as much when gives his reference to the Invisible Hand as an analogy for how societies will commit to social well being through the narrow self-seeking interest of individuals.
@NewSocietyRBE Smith is NOT a supporter of laissez-faire, the thing you describe, but an ardent proponent of government intervention to support the poor and protect the consumer from trusts(the modern day corporation). He was supporter of progressive taxation for the greater good of society and he believed that when left alone the markets tend to become despotic. Those positions of Smith are derived directly from WoN and are pondered upon in several works of Chomsky, Jacob Viner, Daniel Klein,
@DaniOcean I never stated that Smith was not a supporter of laissez-fair and neither am I ignorant about what his views are. The point I am making is that it is Smith who popularized the idea that society can have it's contribution by people seeking their own narrow minded self-interest towards pursuing a fictional commodity (i.e. money). Hence, I have no idea where the hell this strawman comes about to begin with.
@NewSocietyRBE "I never stated that Smith was not a supporter of laissez-fair"
Exactly my point, he was NOT a supporter of laissez-fair.
And by large Smith was right, you are wrong.
Money is not a fictional commodity but a representative of the general wealth of the society. Pursuing a rational self interest is a good way to increase the general wealth of all men, position supported by historical evidence. I have no idea where you get your information but it is very wrong.
Capitalism for example was in place during the Great Famine in Ireland (the Potato famine as many Americans know it). They had private property as is defined by Lee Doren. There was a recent famine in Niger and Somalia which both have private property and where markets reign supreme... who would have gussed?
In the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish Catholics had been prohibited by the penal laws from owning land, from leasing land; from voting, from holding political office; from living in a corporate town or within 5 mi of a corporate town, from obtaining education, from entering a profession, and from doing many other things that are necessary in order to succeed and prosper in life. - MacManus 1979, pp. 458–459.
@DaniOcean The Great Famine in Ireland happened in 1845 and 1852, you must be confusing it with the 1740-1741. The Famine I am talking about happened in the 19th century, not the 17th and 18th century. So you were obviously mistaken as to which Irish Famine I was referring too; I suppose I should have capitulated which one I meant to avoid confusion.
@NewSocietyRBE "Capitalism for example was in place during the Great Famine in Ireland (the Potato famine as many Americans know it)."
This happened between 1845 and 1852, the restrictions on private property ware reformed and some of them lifted by 1829. If you want to persuade me that for 15 years of softer restrictions and the right of private property Ireland have reached a capitalist state and became representative of the system, you are crazy at best.
@DaniOcean I never stated that Ireland was representative of the system in it's entirety, I was simply stating that you could call Ireland a Capitalist system when it had it's famine because it had a system of reform in which people could own the products of their labor and sell their products without the state intervening to a huge degree.
@NewSocietyRBE "I never stated that Ireland was representative of the system in it's entirety"
Neither did I said you did: "Ireland have reached a capitalist state and became representative of the system" - no such words as "entirety" ware used in my statement.
And having a "system of reform" for about the lifespan of a 8th grader is not enough to prevent the famine. By 1845 Ireland's economy was forcibly converted to a specialized state by the British - another example of state intervention.
@NewSocietyRBE The British taste for beef had a devastating impact on the impoverished and disenfranchised people of... Ireland... Pushed off the best pasture land and forced to farm smaller plots of marginal land, the Irish turned to the potato, a crop that could be grown abundantly in less favorable soil. - Rifkin 1993, pp. 56–57.
Actually your simplistic reference to history is astounding in which you state that before the 1700s and Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations that it was just nobles who could take the stuff of the peasantry, i.e. serfdom. This is patently false on so many grounds. Masons for example used networks of traveling and were able to sell their labor as a means profit and private property. They were also protected like blacksmiths, merchant traders and even farmers from the 1317-1689 by rule of law.
@NewSocietyRBE those are called guilds and will be akin to trade unions today. The problem with your BS statement is that those organizations RESTRICT free trade and Adam Smith and Bastiat write why in their respective books.
@DaniOcean 1. What do you mean by free trade? That term today is used to justify the breaking of trade barriers that protect countries from predatory business practices that would destroy the countries local economy. 2. It is completely irrelevant as to whether or not these guilds were akin to trade unions or not. They were initially created to protect people engaging in their trade. Whether or not they promoted capitalism or not is irrelevant.
@NewSocietyRBE I mean the right to enter the market freely without restrictions. Those guilds ware organized thugs that threatened with physical force anyone that tried to act as a competition. If you are not a member you can't practice. This have nothing to do with capitalism. Smith advocated abolition of guilds and government mandated monopolies, that dominated the mercantilism era, in favor of free entry into the market and more competition.
@DaniOcean What the hell are you talking about? Guild's allowed Masons the ability to negotiate the terms of payments, allowed them to work in a manner in which they were not threatened constantly by Monarch's and protected certain trades from the wrath of the Church. They also provided a network of communication between Black Smiths and Merchants and allowed Merchants to trade with each other easily. Guilds had nothing to do with restricting people.
@NewSocietyRBE and when any particular class of artificers or traders thought proper to act as a corporation without a charter, such adulterine guilds, as they were called, were not always disfranchised upon that account, but obliged to fine annually to the king for permission to exercise their usurped privileges. - The Wealth of Nations (Book I, Chapter X, paragraph 72).
They ware also criticized, on similar grounds, by Karl Marx in his Communist Manifesto.
@NewSocietyRBE it is widely acknowledged that guilds ware used as a barriers for entry against competition and supported by the state. Through introduction of fines and fees they limited the competition and restricted trade to the monopoly of their own members. The criticism laid out by Jean-Jacques Rousseau led to Le Chapelier Law of 1791 that abolished them in France as an early prototype of modern politically connected corporations, ie representative of CRONY capitalism.
The strawman you painted about E pluribus unum is astounding. "Out of many one," is an old Latin dictum in which it is described that a sociaty is in fact made up of the collective. When one uses the phrase in reference to society then that is what you have. Francis Bacon, Bertrand Russel, Niccolò Machiavelli, et al. pretty much engage in this classical usage of E Pluribus Unum. After all, thunderf00t does show that particular motto when he states that, "for a social species for their benefit."
@NewSocietyRBE yeah, but the reason it is used in US is to describe exactly what Lee said:
Originally suggesting that out of many colonies or states emerge a single nation, in recent years it has come to suggest that out of many peoples, races, religions and ancestries has emerged a single people and nation – illustrating the concept of the melting pot. - TIME magazine. June 7, 1976. Retrieved 2008-10-09
Chronology of private railroad industries that went bankrupt during the 19th century:
1. Panic of 1893 is the big one.
2. Sacramento Valley Railroad, 1960. Status: Bankrupt.
3. Pacific Union and Credit Mobilier, 1974. Status: Bankrupt.
I can list about 50 big railroad businesses that were private and went bankrupt all throughout the 19th century. Whether they were cause by government intervention is irrelevant.
@NewSocietyRBE he is talking about "Great Northern Railway" which operates to this day after several mergers and is now known as "BNSF Railway". It is the only transcontinental railroad that was privately funded. And he gives this example in order to illustrate that it can be done without government involvement.
@DaniOcean A single example does not indicate the rule that this would be a success across the board if railroads were privately owned. You're assuming that things that are private and are sold return a great benefit no matter what it is, when in reality your using a single example that require many factors to be taken into account in order for such a statement to be true to begin with.
@NewSocietyRBE you are using a dishonest tactics here. Where it is stated that this is the only example of such project. This is only one example among many, but it is a good one. The owner of the railroad intentionally refused government subsidies in order to do it alone and he did it. There are other examples of such feats throughout history, you only have to look around to find them.
@DaniOcean Again, using a single example does not state that this would have been the rule. I just named a series companies that went bust for this very reason. To state this is a dishonest tactic needs an explanation, not some vacuous statement.
@NewSocietyRBE you named one event and two state subsidized railroads, how is this example of private enterprise failing without the help of the state is beyond me.
Also your examples are fake, Sacramento Valley Railroad operated between 1852–1877 when it became part of Southern Pacific Railroad today known as Union Pacific Railroad... wait wasn't that the second railroad that supposedly bankrupted? Better tell it to the people who work there to this day.
The problem with Lee Doren is that he consistently does not understand that property of humans, selling your labor as a commodity, the races (using the term loosely) involved in slavery, etc... are not a violation of capitalism. In fact, the subjugation and selling of slaves was profitable because it was perceived that they were not selling humans. Thus it requires not Capitalism to be sold into slavery, but a culture that defines what slavery isn't or is. Capitalism operates amorally, period.
@NewSocietyRBE and your problem is that you can't understand that capitalism requires a FREE and VOLUNTARY exchange of goods and services. That coercion by its nature is anti-capitalist and this is why we have government to prevent it, period.
@DaniOcean Capitalism has nothing to say about coercion, it states that those who can gain the most profit. This ethical capitalism your aspiring too does not exist and cannot exist. Profit maximizing industries do not care about whether or not they are engaging in coercion; they only care about what profit returns they are getting at the end of the quarter.
@DaniOcean The reason why we have government is not to protect private property. The reason we have government is to protect each other through means of primitive methods used at a time when they worked. Government is not a byproduct of capitalism like you make it out to be.
@NewSocietyRBE The reason government is created in US is to protect the liberty, life and property of its citizens. To say it was created for anything else is incorrect.
thunderf00t never made the argument that the creation of government is by definition a socialist system. He states that the government is supposed to create a medium for which society's needs are met when those needs conflict with what is most profitable. Apparently howtheworldworks (ironic name by the way) also created a strawman.
@NewSocietyRBE do you take us for stupid or something? I watched tf00t's videos long before I watch this one. At that time this is exactly what popped into my mind - government=socialistic. Even if he never said it out loud it is exactly what he was trying to put forward.
@DaniOcean "It's not just nice to have a government that creates roads, hospitals, police for protection, etc... indeed it is a socialist require for a social species..." this is what thunderf00t stated (slightly paraphrasing). He is stating that job of government is to make sure things in a society working and they protect the interest of the people over that which is most profitable. he states that this is the role of government under socialism, their is a huge difference.
i never fully believed in Global warming, it just seemed sooo i don't know, not quite right? i lived in a cold city and it was NOT getting warmer but the weather was stable, as in the pattern for the weather, was consistent most av the time, also the arguments for always seem to ignore the argument against lal
he started stating his point at 0:56 I laughed at 1:03 and thumbed down his video at 1:13 and moved on with my life. you can't expect to have people watch this when the first 20 seconds is such nonsense.
@LeonSkottKennedey can't expect me to waste 20 more min of my life when the first 30 seconds were pathetic: he pulls theories out of his ass as if they were true, his reasoning is extremely facile, he's totally ideologically motivated and unable to see any actual complexity. if you want to hear an actual thinker talk about these topics, then watch this video series watch?v=kBdfcR-8hEY
if you want to continue to hear people who are unable to be critical then stay here.
Facts and theories aside, how can you, in good conscience, recommend others to watch that video when you yourself won't hear Doren out? Rather dogmatic if you ask me.
More on point, instead of attacking Doren's character by saying he is "totally ideologically motivated and unable to see any actual complexity", you should make the argument that the theories he spoke of are incorrect, or inappropriate in this context.
Or shove off this years old vid, and troll somewhere else. =)
@karlschenkable I never said I didn't hear him out, I did, for 30 seconds, from those 30 seconds I had enough information to dismiss the rest because he was building his logic on false axioms. if you want the criticism more to the point, then just ask.
he thinks that a persons psychological effort is only belongs to that person. yet a persons psychology is extremely related culture he grew up in. thus the product of that psychological effort hardly belongs to him.
@flyingturtle22 so I have the same right to live in your house as you do? Do you lock your doors? If yes why, what's the point the rest of us have the same right to the product of your labor (as extension of the product of your mind) as you do. You should share it with us, greedy asshole!
@DaniOcean I never stated a damn thing about having a right to life. And again, commodifying does not lead to a free society. Human beings cannot be separated from their labor; this particular video actually explains a lot of what I am getting at with human labor: /watch?v=6ArkJmUOIqM
@DaniOcean you're an idiot, not only your interpolation of what I said baffles me by its stupidity, your reasoning is terribly weak and backwards.
your line of reasoning is to try to illustrate unwanted consequences from a reality I'm proposing. it's like trying to argue that gravity is incorrect because it causes deaths. it's called reality, if you don't like it, well go cry to mommy but let the big boys do their work.
I honestly am baffled by how stupid your reasoning is.
@flyingturtle22 So, you're going to engage in a cop out then of responding to anything I said with a bunch of name calling? Good job at showing your intellectual superiority by being a complete baby that I responded to all of your points and now your crying over it.
I responded to DaniOcean, unless you're also DO, you've never responded to any of my points nor directed anything to me. and in case you are DO, in which case you have a sever case of dual personality disorder, I did, I showed that his reasoning is fallacious.
Okay, sorry for the late response. I don't check my inbox very often.
To the point, a person's psyche is effected/formed by several factors, of which culture is one. Ultimately it is an amalgamation of many influences, from parents, friends, and intellectual pursuits. But this is irrelevant as psychological effort in this context refers to willing ones self to act in order to survive. Your own mental exertions can not belong to anyone or anything. You can only own what results.
the reasoning doesn't follow. The last two statements are statements without anything to support them. the one before that, the psychological effort he's talking about has nothing to do with the psychological effort we use for survive. the context is relevant because a persons psychological effort is partly determined by their surroundings, so why would they own something they had no part in producing.
@karlschenkable think about it like this, you have identical twins that are orphans, one gets adopted by a very wealthy family, is the eldest of his siblings, has a great education, bla bla bla,
the other didn't turn out so lucky, has to get a job at 16 and doesn't do so well in an undereducated life.
I would argue that the difference in wage the luckier one has doesn't belong to him as he had no control of the factors that gave him that difference. you seem to disagree, why.
When I first saw that this was an argument with Thunderf00t I must admit I was put off because most of the people who argue with him are idiotic Creationists. After watching this video and watching the other videos I was pretty impressed in how you handled it. If I have any objection it would be your ad hom throughout the video and your arrogance at the end. Other than that it was very informative. Thanks!
All this time and this video still rocks! This is "the one" that finally showed me what an a**hole is tf00t and shortly after, I unsubscribed from him and subscribed to HTWW. I watched all his(HTWW) videos since then. Great channel!
@TheFluffyDuck Healthcare is not a right. Neither is owning a home. You don't have the right to happiness, you have the right to PURSUE it for yourself. If you want something, go out and EARN it. You want better healthcare?
Good. Go earn the money to pay for it. Don't expect me to.
I will grant you the COSTS are fucking insane and there needs to be a change there. We need to elect people like Ron Paul who aren't beholden to the insurance companies. You want costs down? Go out & vote 4 Ron PAUL.
you are saying that the only way to put food on your table is with privae propeties models???? how about precolombines cultures in America, Incas have a socialist like view of the propetie and was verry succesfull until the spanish destroy them. It doesnt mater how is the propety of the land hwat is important is the efficiency. Deng Xiaoping said it "It doesn't matter if a cat is black or white, so long as it catches mice"
@shadowmax889 do you realize Deng Xiaoping was talking about getting capitalist systems in communist China, and he also said : " to get rich is glorious"(which I agree)
And the Inca, is ridiculousness , you don't know enough about them to say they didn't have a famine, and you don't know enough about them to say they where socialists but I bet they where slave owners..
@paulstroie i know Deng Xiaoping was talking about getting capitalist systems in China but the point is it doesn't mater if the system is socialist or capitalist, only if it works for the country or the culture is what mater. If you don't know anything about Incas don't comment. I know they had a verry succesful system for them with no private propety and no slaves you can google it. The Aztecs also had this system.
PS i do live in Venezuela but you can save you pity for others.
@shadowmax889 do you realize that in the US 16 year olds have their own car?, and even homeless beggars can make as much they can buy a car. The incas are really poetic and all, but look how succesfull it was, they where over run by a hand of hungry Europeans, I would be really ashamed if I where an ancestor of those people...I really see the Incas as a big big big FAIL....
@paulstroie they where not fail thay only had worst technology that's all. If you consider just because another culture has better wepons and conquers other the less armed culture is fail you sir are narrow minded. Greeks were conqered by Romans so they were fail? Greeks conquered Persians so they were fail?? you know nothing abut history!!
@paulstroie Continue... They have Famine of course like other western cultures, but not becasue of the system, it was becasue war deseases, pest and other things.
Capitalism is a good system but is not perfect and that is my point. An economy system must fit the culture of the country. The most succesfull countries are those who integrate the good things about socialism and the good things about capitalism.
@shadowmax889 if you call police and the army socialism than I would agree with you, but healthcare I would not... I am really curious how you people see the US and what country you consider the most succesfull...
@paulstroie Police and Army are not socialism neither capitalism, They are necessary in any country.
I consider US a nice country to live but between the develope countries is not the better place to live. Any western European country (spetialy nordics) or even Canada are way better places to live, with better healthcare system, better economy, better educaton options, security, the right amount of market freedom and right amount of control from state. You see capitalism with some socialism.
@shadowmax889 I can see you never been in Europe or the US ,I'm dutch and I live in the US, needless to say the United States of America is the greatest country that ever existed on the face of the planet...
But you are entitled to you biased non-factual opinion.
@paulstroie i have been in Europe, your personal experience contrast with the PNUD. I am in Venezuela with huge poverty and a disaster of economy but there are people now that are having a good life, better than the people who live in the most exclusives locations in LA, Paris or New York. Your personal experience mean nothing neather mine.
@celrse you continue to believe that while I have my 2 story house, my 3 cars and my guns (wich you can't have no matter how much money you have, anywhere in the world )... And if things get better in China than in US I'll move there.... where ever is capitalism I will be there... Don't really give a shit about a particular country, I just love capitalism, freedom and having money....
O, sorry, I just noticed I didn't give a basic defense of education in (what I believe to be) your view. Protecting property enforcing contracts doesn't mean only from ppl with knives in your back. Many use pens. A basic level of education is necessary to protect from more devious means of theft. Individuals must have basic literacies; basic knowledge of politics, economics, science, etc and knowledge of their rights and laws protecting them.
Just one further little point. You mention the original distinction state and federal was because states mistrusted each other. Was there another reason i missed? Anyway, this is very context sensitive. If we trust each other enough now why maintain the same separation at the State-Fed level? It seems very arbitrary, especially if merely geographical. If it is more social, then why hasn't that changed by now?
Its not arbitrary. They did mistrust each other, but they decided they can unite to defend from foreign enemies if the federal government will not have the power to impose its will on states. It was made so even the majority could not cause discrimination against majority, and about education it does not have to and it was not performed for a long time by the gov.. Also government do little to teach about avoiding the threats you mentioned.
'Taking' property from the unwilling 'sounds' really bad, but I think that's only because it's a poor way of phrasing the sentiment. I think it makes perfect sense that we should, even if only for police and military.
Well if I am unwilling to shed even this minimal taxation (say I naively think I can defend myself against thieves and foreign invaders), then what? Must I move out of the boundaries that the US military continues to police? How does this minimal government handle the naive who will nonetheless benefit? Further, how does it handle the smarter freeloaders if it allows opting out? Willingness seems a poor distinction for figuring out lawful v unlawful 'taking' of another's prop by the gov.
But back tracking a little, and correct me if I'm wrong, you argue 'gov cannot take away life, lib or prop' but needs several things to protect it. What I'm curious is the use of 'take.' If categorically it cannot 'take' any of your property, like income via taxes, it cannot fund its protection. You obviously think it can in order to further protect. This seems more utilitarian than categorical. It can 'take' away your property. But maybe the distinction is bt willing and unwilling?
Hey, enjoyed your video. I agree with a lot but disagree with a couple of things. First, your reasoning about government responsibilities for X and Y I can see being easily extended to many things like health and education, at least in some basic form. For instance, someone may be willing or able to purchase a vaccination. For my own self interest I want them to. Providing vaccinations and basic health lowers the risk of disease for others and increases productivity. Same with education.
@sonykroket Are you kidding or are you actually that stupid? I've uploaded videos of my own, genius. It wouldn't take you 5 seconds to to click on my page to find that out. How can you be that stupid and still manage to survive?
@sonykroket Wait, I'm a groupie now? I thought I was HTWW himself and I was sswitching accounts so I could talk to myself....lol you're a joke. Good luck, kid.
@sonykroket My, jumping all over the place today, aren't we? I've been a account switcher, a groupie, and a right wing nazi, all in the last hour. The sad part is, none of these criticisms constitute an actual argument. Keep throwing out mindless bullshit like a 4 year old, though. It really works for you.
@sonykroket Not that you actually will, but you should do some reading and educate yourself about the Nazi party. I'll give you a hint: they weren't right wing.
Hitler believed he was doing godswork and was a roman catholic. He also got funded by Bushs' granddaddy and the US engaged in the european war AFTER Roosevelt dragged them in. Hitler even had a few businessdeals going with the US before all this and the US government thought he could be a potential partner in things.
Also, they believed the poor and sick should be wiped out or removed from society, just like the healthcare-insurance companies in the US.
After the war, the US started with operation Paperclip. This was created to gather all nazi scientist they could use to give the US a military advantage over the former Sovjet Union.
@sonykroket Nazi's had scientists, so they were right wing? So glad you think that science is a pursuit only for the right wing. Guess you are OK with your ignorance.
The Nazi's were socialists. Hell, it's even in their name - National SOCIALISM. Read their party platform sometime - it mandates things like universal healthcare and other socialist policies. Idiot.
Bin Laden was funded and trained by the CIA to attack the russians in the 80s. Until he went bad shit and thought he was an UberQuranjockey-deluxe royale.
He takes a few shots at his former employees using other mosquedwellers and hey presto, 9/11. I'm glad they whacked this fuckin superstitious sandbox-maggot but still.
He only got big because of the CIA, his family is close with the Bush family BTW
So where are you now, Mr Semper Fly-jarhead? Playing with your G.I Joe dolls? Reading the superbly intellectual masterpieces about how fascism can be a good thing by S. Hannity or B. O'Really? Holding a Jaydoubleya-Bush blow up doll?
Hmm, i think you're watching Fox News and think it's objective journalism.
@sonykroket Blah blah blah.....more garbage noise. Semper 'fi' is a Marine Corps code. I'm in the Army, genius. Are you actually going to attempt to make an argument about something, or are you going to continue on like a temper tantrum throwing snot nosed brat? You're wasting my time.
Yes, we already establed you were in the army, you keep parading with it. Are you suffering from alzheimer or is it a side-effect of depleted uranium that causes memoryloss?
And the fact you have nothing to respond with confirms you have no idea what you talking about, sodjahboi.
@sonykroket Wow, you really have no idea why your argument makes no sense, do you? You can't be any older than 14. Anyways, I'm a deist. I don't have religion. You aren't worth my time. You don't even possess the basic knowledge that Nazi's were socialists. Have a nice day.
BTW, you said the nazi's were leftwing and i just showed you how thats complete BS using some historical knowledge. Now, i know you silly soldjahboys aren't trained to think for yourself but to accept rightwing propaganda without question.
Too bad it's making you look like the stupid ignorant army-dork you really are. You probably don't even know what language Semper Fi is without googling it.
@sonykroket lol, you're still convinced of that, huh. You think I need another account to 'win'? First off, that doesn't even make sense. If a person is ignorant/stupid, they will still be ignorant/stupid under another name. Secondly, you're just pulling accusations out of your ass without any evidence to support them. Thirdly, I will destroy you in a debate about absolutely anything. All you're good for is acting like a child throwing a tantrum. You've yet to make anything close to an argument.
Oh BTW, look up Werner von Braun. He got the americans on the moon.
Even though he was a brilliant guy, he also was a member of the nazi-party and used jews and prisoncamp labour to build his factory in the mountains. This is also the place they started testing de V2, the exact same rocket was being used by the US as a prototype when the space race started between the US and USSR
LOL, it's just too easy with rightwing corporate fascism-groupies like you.
@sonykroket Haha, you're getting really desperate now, huh. All these insults, but no substance. Anyways, I'm in the US Army and I have a Masters degree. I guess I didn't get the memo. I'll be sure to pass on your news, though. You shouldn't be burdened with such a horrible secret.
US army and a masters degree? In what? Killing innocent people? Being brainwashed by your corporate warcriminal presidents? Believing lies and willing to kill for it without any specific reason? Thinking deregulation is good?
Maybe you have a masters degree in fascism, gestapo-boi
Thunderf00t's just a character assassin who explains high school science to teenagers. I don't see the point in referring to him as "the expert," if not to mock the fact that he criticized you for not being one.
Thank you for taking the time to do this. Thundershits is a pseudo-intellectual master of hyperbole. Basically he is really good at articulating mental retardation.
@SnipeZuDown tf00t drones auto one starring without watching the video. Of course why youtube have not made it so you cannot rate until you have watched any video for its entire length without skipping to lower the abuse rate of the like and dislike button is beyond me, its a simple solution that would cure part of that particular problem.
@DarthKrattus Please note that I'm a HTWW fan, but: Why is it shameful to judge an argument by its content? If you disagree with a video's content/message, then voting the video down is an acceptable way to show that. You don't have to give everyone an "'A' for effort". Lee is an adult and doesn't need people to tell him, "I think your argument sucks but you worked hard so here's an up-vote for trying." If they like it they'll give it a thumbs-up, and if they don't like it then they won't.
@TehGiggleMonster Well, no, I understand what you're saying. I guess I just have unrealistic expectations with YouTubers. I myself thumbs up liberal videos which are well-constructed and cogently argued, and conversely thumbs down unintelligent conservative ones (I'm a libertarian/conservative HTWW fan). Whatever.
you do not provide both sides with sufficient evidence, unless you're an "expert" in psychology you do not have any right to judge your opinion, understanding above, below or equal to anyone else's opinion(s) and/or understanding(s), even so being an expert does not justify comparing and judging your opinion(s) and/or understanding(s) above, below or equal to any others, to do so would be a declaration of ignorance stating you know and understand the person you are judging entirely good vid :D
I have to concur with a few points in this video, first of all how you define a resource is an opinion; whether you define it as something that you know how to use or whether you define it as something that can be used whether you know how to or not. secondly the needs of the people do come first; yes people not person because the needs of the people count towards humanities future not on an individual basis but as a society so if profit comes without advancement or sustainability....
@spazic1493 then it wouldn't be a benefeit and infact would be fraud, theft etc hence profit occuring without fulfilling individual needs or societal needs. Thirdly education does not mean understanding, you firmly believe what you have been taught and have tested, yes you know what happens but you may not fully understand it, therefore education is partially irrelevant to your understanding as a whole. Note experts are considered experts because of knowledge not understanding, they are...
@spazic1493 considered experts if you can relate to their beliefs, explanations, understandings etc, therefore the term experts become irrelevant. You can only justify an arguement if it is you're own; using other persons' understandings, statements, explanations etc becomes inconclusive to your understanding, your arguement becomes irrelevant as it is an arguement of difference in beliefs (you believe the "experts"). You provide a biased arguement...
True that. Same thing. I was lucky enough to have two very pseudo-nonconformist parents who believed that the government couldn't be trusted in general. But still i was overwhelmed from an early age by essentially socialist ideas. So many things i accepted for the moment by default because they were essentially the only arguments presented to me. I've spent my entire life weeding out those ideas one by one as i gradually discovered the other side to it which i'd hardly been exposed to at all.
In hunter-gatherer societies, private property does not exist. The notion of private property is relatively new. It is the result of a settled life that began after the invention of agriculture.
I agree that people need the right to private property, but I disagree with the notion that private property is a natural human condition....it is not.
You are slightly wrong in your analysis of the constitution:
military was never a legitamite function- a militia is but not a military. The difference is very fundamental and astute. A militia is made by the people for the people and is accountable to the people. A free and sovereign nation has no need for standing armies. But a empire requires many an army.
well what the hell HTWW, absolute communism vs capitalism isn't a hard problem to solve, capitalism is better. But just because the extreme of socialism is bad doesn't mean that all hints of socialism is bad.
Finally someone understanding capitalism. Well done video.
"On the free market, everyone earns according to his productive value in satisfying consumer desires. Under statist distribution, everyone earns in proportion to the amount he can plunder from the producers."
Nice video. A great defence of the Constitution and federalism. I long for the time when we establish world federalism so that the benefits of freedom, liberty and free market capitalism with limited government can be extended to the whole planet.
@bdhcarbon It is you who hasn't read the Constitution you fool, nor do you know the history of the compromise genius. The 3/5 compromise had to do with Representation, not whether or not slavery should exist. The SOUTH wanted slaves to count as full citizens for representation. The NORTH didn't because it felt if the South wasn't going to give them full rights as citizens, the SOUTH shouldn't benefit from their extra population.
@HowTheWorldWorks geeze, your pretty rude arnt you? Ignorant leftist? Genius? Its sad that you got beat up so much when you were a kid but im sure you asked for it alot! lol... anyhow...
I didnt say that the 3/5 compromise had anything to do with the idea that slavery should exist. I stated that the south regarded slaves as property and they also considered them a person in that they wanted to be counted as a person to be represented. Thus we had the south that considered people as property.
Don't listen to what these people write. Their only defense is to call you names because they have no other basis so they revert to name calling. I think your brilliant and i would rather listen to people like you than the so called "experts"! There is no possible way to make everyone happy so you just keep doing what you are doing and keep the videos coming!
ATIgood100 3 weeks ago 2
Thanks. I needed help to go to sleep.
MrRationalgaze 3 weeks ago
A little too long for the common viewer, but you completely smashed this "expert" guy. The ending was great too but I don't think everyone watched long enough to see it.
LasagnaIsGood 4 weeks ago
"Free market" capitalism (deregulated, unfettered capitalism), profit-is-everything motivation goes hand-in-hand with greed. Greed does not serve the people, and whether you like it or not, you are part of the "collective" (one of the people), so WE have the right to prevent another person's greed from harming US, and you must admit that many "capitalists" readily did things to harm us in the interest of profits. Who was the right-winger who recently said we should abolish the EPA?
FrankAndCandid 1 month ago
@FrankAndCandid You're discussing a topic you're outright illiterate in. If you'd like to discuss economics or capitalism, please learn about them first. You don't understand what profit and loss are or their functions, you try to establish authority over your political opponents via assertion ("whether you like it or not..."), misunderstand both "motivation" within capitalism AND the effects of "greed", and, finally, you're oblivious to the libertarian critique of the EPA, right or wrong. lol
vNorilor 3 weeks ago 2
I liked everything you had to say until you got to climate change. What is being said is that greenhouse gases harm the ozone, and man is creating too much of them too fast. Some think that cows create more. But I would lock myself in a barn with 50 farting cows before I would with one car with the engine running.....
FrankAndCandid 1 month ago
Your videos are soo boriinngg
TheGreyKnightXx 1 month ago
What ethical capitalism is Lee Doren even getting at? Capitalism has no ethics, it is amoral by its very definition. In capitalism you are beholden to earn more profits because the self-seeking narrow self interest oriented towards profit will magically produce social and environmental well being as was stated by Smith and Locke's religion of the free market. Don't worry about ethics, if we seek self-maximization for means of profit everything will turn out fine. Or so the theory goes.
NewSocietyRBE 2 months ago
@NewSocietyRBE this is a straw men and neither Smith, nor Locke state such things. Maybe you refer to Rothbard?
DaniOcean 1 month ago
@DaniOcean Actually Smith states as much when gives his reference to the Invisible Hand as an analogy for how societies will commit to social well being through the narrow self-seeking interest of individuals.
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
@NewSocietyRBE Smith is NOT a supporter of laissez-faire, the thing you describe, but an ardent proponent of government intervention to support the poor and protect the consumer from trusts(the modern day corporation). He was supporter of progressive taxation for the greater good of society and he believed that when left alone the markets tend to become despotic. Those positions of Smith are derived directly from WoN and are pondered upon in several works of Chomsky, Jacob Viner, Daniel Klein,
DaniOcean 1 month ago
@DaniOcean I never stated that Smith was not a supporter of laissez-fair and neither am I ignorant about what his views are. The point I am making is that it is Smith who popularized the idea that society can have it's contribution by people seeking their own narrow minded self-interest towards pursuing a fictional commodity (i.e. money). Hence, I have no idea where the hell this strawman comes about to begin with.
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
@NewSocietyRBE "I never stated that Smith was not a supporter of laissez-fair"
Exactly my point, he was NOT a supporter of laissez-fair.
And by large Smith was right, you are wrong.
Money is not a fictional commodity but a representative of the general wealth of the society. Pursuing a rational self interest is a good way to increase the general wealth of all men, position supported by historical evidence. I have no idea where you get your information but it is very wrong.
DaniOcean 1 month ago
@NewSocietyRBE and David Ricardo, especially the last one. From your words I can draw only two conclusions:
1. You are basing your statements of of popular perception and have little to no knowledge on the man and his work.
2. You are intentionally misrepresenting established capitalist proponents in order to discredit them and their ideas.
DaniOcean 1 month ago
Capitalism for example was in place during the Great Famine in Ireland (the Potato famine as many Americans know it). They had private property as is defined by Lee Doren. There was a recent famine in Niger and Somalia which both have private property and where markets reign supreme... who would have gussed?
NewSocietyRBE 2 months ago
@NewSocietyRBE ugh, no, no, no and no!
In the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish Catholics had been prohibited by the penal laws from owning land, from leasing land; from voting, from holding political office; from living in a corporate town or within 5 mi of a corporate town, from obtaining education, from entering a profession, and from doing many other things that are necessary in order to succeed and prosper in life. - MacManus 1979, pp. 458–459.
Again, NO! You are f-ing wrong on everything!
DaniOcean 1 month ago
@DaniOcean The Great Famine in Ireland happened in 1845 and 1852, you must be confusing it with the 1740-1741. The Famine I am talking about happened in the 19th century, not the 17th and 18th century. So you were obviously mistaken as to which Irish Famine I was referring too; I suppose I should have capitulated which one I meant to avoid confusion.
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
@NewSocietyRBE "Capitalism for example was in place during the Great Famine in Ireland (the Potato famine as many Americans know it)."
This happened between 1845 and 1852, the restrictions on private property ware reformed and some of them lifted by 1829. If you want to persuade me that for 15 years of softer restrictions and the right of private property Ireland have reached a capitalist state and became representative of the system, you are crazy at best.
DaniOcean 1 month ago
@DaniOcean I never stated that Ireland was representative of the system in it's entirety, I was simply stating that you could call Ireland a Capitalist system when it had it's famine because it had a system of reform in which people could own the products of their labor and sell their products without the state intervening to a huge degree.
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
@NewSocietyRBE "I never stated that Ireland was representative of the system in it's entirety"
Neither did I said you did: "Ireland have reached a capitalist state and became representative of the system" - no such words as "entirety" ware used in my statement.
And having a "system of reform" for about the lifespan of a 8th grader is not enough to prevent the famine. By 1845 Ireland's economy was forcibly converted to a specialized state by the British - another example of state intervention.
DaniOcean 1 month ago
@NewSocietyRBE The British taste for beef had a devastating impact on the impoverished and disenfranchised people of... Ireland... Pushed off the best pasture land and forced to farm smaller plots of marginal land, the Irish turned to the potato, a crop that could be grown abundantly in less favorable soil. - Rifkin 1993, pp. 56–57.
DaniOcean 1 month ago
Actually your simplistic reference to history is astounding in which you state that before the 1700s and Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations that it was just nobles who could take the stuff of the peasantry, i.e. serfdom. This is patently false on so many grounds. Masons for example used networks of traveling and were able to sell their labor as a means profit and private property. They were also protected like blacksmiths, merchant traders and even farmers from the 1317-1689 by rule of law.
NewSocietyRBE 2 months ago
@NewSocietyRBE those are called guilds and will be akin to trade unions today. The problem with your BS statement is that those organizations RESTRICT free trade and Adam Smith and Bastiat write why in their respective books.
DaniOcean 1 month ago
@DaniOcean 1. What do you mean by free trade? That term today is used to justify the breaking of trade barriers that protect countries from predatory business practices that would destroy the countries local economy. 2. It is completely irrelevant as to whether or not these guilds were akin to trade unions or not. They were initially created to protect people engaging in their trade. Whether or not they promoted capitalism or not is irrelevant.
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
@NewSocietyRBE I mean the right to enter the market freely without restrictions. Those guilds ware organized thugs that threatened with physical force anyone that tried to act as a competition. If you are not a member you can't practice. This have nothing to do with capitalism. Smith advocated abolition of guilds and government mandated monopolies, that dominated the mercantilism era, in favor of free entry into the market and more competition.
DaniOcean 1 month ago
@DaniOcean What the hell are you talking about? Guild's allowed Masons the ability to negotiate the terms of payments, allowed them to work in a manner in which they were not threatened constantly by Monarch's and protected certain trades from the wrath of the Church. They also provided a network of communication between Black Smiths and Merchants and allowed Merchants to trade with each other easily. Guilds had nothing to do with restricting people.
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
@NewSocietyRBE and when any particular class of artificers or traders thought proper to act as a corporation without a charter, such adulterine guilds, as they were called, were not always disfranchised upon that account, but obliged to fine annually to the king for permission to exercise their usurped privileges. - The Wealth of Nations (Book I, Chapter X, paragraph 72).
They ware also criticized, on similar grounds, by Karl Marx in his Communist Manifesto.
DaniOcean 1 month ago
@NewSocietyRBE it is widely acknowledged that guilds ware used as a barriers for entry against competition and supported by the state. Through introduction of fines and fees they limited the competition and restricted trade to the monopoly of their own members. The criticism laid out by Jean-Jacques Rousseau led to Le Chapelier Law of 1791 that abolished them in France as an early prototype of modern politically connected corporations, ie representative of CRONY capitalism.
DaniOcean 1 month ago
So in other words, thunderf00t made no implication that E Pluribus Unum is a socialist motto used by the united states.
NewSocietyRBE 2 months ago
The strawman you painted about E pluribus unum is astounding. "Out of many one," is an old Latin dictum in which it is described that a sociaty is in fact made up of the collective. When one uses the phrase in reference to society then that is what you have. Francis Bacon, Bertrand Russel, Niccolò Machiavelli, et al. pretty much engage in this classical usage of E Pluribus Unum. After all, thunderf00t does show that particular motto when he states that, "for a social species for their benefit."
NewSocietyRBE 2 months ago
@NewSocietyRBE yeah, but the reason it is used in US is to describe exactly what Lee said:
Originally suggesting that out of many colonies or states emerge a single nation, in recent years it has come to suggest that out of many peoples, races, religions and ancestries has emerged a single people and nation – illustrating the concept of the melting pot. - TIME magazine. June 7, 1976. Retrieved 2008-10-09
DaniOcean 1 month ago
Chronology of private railroad industries that went bankrupt during the 19th century:
1. Panic of 1893 is the big one.
2. Sacramento Valley Railroad, 1960. Status: Bankrupt.
3. Pacific Union and Credit Mobilier, 1974. Status: Bankrupt.
I can list about 50 big railroad businesses that were private and went bankrupt all throughout the 19th century. Whether they were cause by government intervention is irrelevant.
NewSocietyRBE 2 months ago
@NewSocietyRBE he is talking about "Great Northern Railway" which operates to this day after several mergers and is now known as "BNSF Railway". It is the only transcontinental railroad that was privately funded. And he gives this example in order to illustrate that it can be done without government involvement.
DaniOcean 1 month ago
@DaniOcean A single example does not indicate the rule that this would be a success across the board if railroads were privately owned. You're assuming that things that are private and are sold return a great benefit no matter what it is, when in reality your using a single example that require many factors to be taken into account in order for such a statement to be true to begin with.
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
@NewSocietyRBE you are using a dishonest tactics here. Where it is stated that this is the only example of such project. This is only one example among many, but it is a good one. The owner of the railroad intentionally refused government subsidies in order to do it alone and he did it. There are other examples of such feats throughout history, you only have to look around to find them.
DaniOcean 1 month ago
@DaniOcean Again, using a single example does not state that this would have been the rule. I just named a series companies that went bust for this very reason. To state this is a dishonest tactic needs an explanation, not some vacuous statement.
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
@NewSocietyRBE you named one event and two state subsidized railroads, how is this example of private enterprise failing without the help of the state is beyond me.
Also your examples are fake, Sacramento Valley Railroad operated between 1852–1877 when it became part of Southern Pacific Railroad today known as Union Pacific Railroad... wait wasn't that the second railroad that supposedly bankrupted? Better tell it to the people who work there to this day.
UP revenue - US$ 16.965 billion (2010)
DaniOcean 1 month ago
The problem with Lee Doren is that he consistently does not understand that property of humans, selling your labor as a commodity, the races (using the term loosely) involved in slavery, etc... are not a violation of capitalism. In fact, the subjugation and selling of slaves was profitable because it was perceived that they were not selling humans. Thus it requires not Capitalism to be sold into slavery, but a culture that defines what slavery isn't or is. Capitalism operates amorally, period.
NewSocietyRBE 2 months ago
@NewSocietyRBE and your problem is that you can't understand that capitalism requires a FREE and VOLUNTARY exchange of goods and services. That coercion by its nature is anti-capitalist and this is why we have government to prevent it, period.
DaniOcean 1 month ago
@DaniOcean Capitalism has nothing to say about coercion, it states that those who can gain the most profit. This ethical capitalism your aspiring too does not exist and cannot exist. Profit maximizing industries do not care about whether or not they are engaging in coercion; they only care about what profit returns they are getting at the end of the quarter.
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
@NewSocietyRBE this is a straw men. It is not a definition of capitalism that anyone can defend and no one accepts.
DaniOcean 1 month ago
@DaniOcean The reason why we have government is not to protect private property. The reason we have government is to protect each other through means of primitive methods used at a time when they worked. Government is not a byproduct of capitalism like you make it out to be.
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
@NewSocietyRBE The reason government is created in US is to protect the liberty, life and property of its citizens. To say it was created for anything else is incorrect.
DaniOcean 1 month ago
thunderf00t never made the argument that the creation of government is by definition a socialist system. He states that the government is supposed to create a medium for which society's needs are met when those needs conflict with what is most profitable. Apparently howtheworldworks (ironic name by the way) also created a strawman.
NewSocietyRBE 2 months ago
@NewSocietyRBE do you take us for stupid or something? I watched tf00t's videos long before I watch this one. At that time this is exactly what popped into my mind - government=socialistic. Even if he never said it out loud it is exactly what he was trying to put forward.
DaniOcean 1 month ago
@DaniOcean "It's not just nice to have a government that creates roads, hospitals, police for protection, etc... indeed it is a socialist require for a social species..." this is what thunderf00t stated (slightly paraphrasing). He is stating that job of government is to make sure things in a society working and they protect the interest of the people over that which is most profitable. he states that this is the role of government under socialism, their is a huge difference.
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
Great vid...
fightingirishman726 2 months ago
i never fully believed in Global warming, it just seemed sooo i don't know, not quite right? i lived in a cold city and it was NOT getting warmer but the weather was stable, as in the pattern for the weather, was consistent most av the time, also the arguments for always seem to ignore the argument against lal
LeonSkottKennedey 2 months ago
he started stating his point at 0:56 I laughed at 1:03 and thumbed down his video at 1:13 and moved on with my life. you can't expect to have people watch this when the first 20 seconds is such nonsense.
flyingturtle22 3 months ago
@flyingturtle22 ok
IncoherentCommenter 2 months ago
@flyingturtle22 you can't expect people to take your side when you don't watch the Video mate.
LeonSkottKennedey 2 months ago
@LeonSkottKennedey can't expect me to waste 20 more min of my life when the first 30 seconds were pathetic: he pulls theories out of his ass as if they were true, his reasoning is extremely facile, he's totally ideologically motivated and unable to see any actual complexity. if you want to hear an actual thinker talk about these topics, then watch this video series watch?v=kBdfcR-8hEY
if you want to continue to hear people who are unable to be critical then stay here.
flyingturtle22 2 months ago
@flyingturtle22
Facts and theories aside, how can you, in good conscience, recommend others to watch that video when you yourself won't hear Doren out? Rather dogmatic if you ask me.
More on point, instead of attacking Doren's character by saying he is "totally ideologically motivated and unable to see any actual complexity", you should make the argument that the theories he spoke of are incorrect, or inappropriate in this context.
Or shove off this years old vid, and troll somewhere else. =)
karlschenkable 2 months ago
@karlschenkable I never said I didn't hear him out, I did, for 30 seconds, from those 30 seconds I had enough information to dismiss the rest because he was building his logic on false axioms. if you want the criticism more to the point, then just ask.
he thinks that a persons psychological effort is only belongs to that person. yet a persons psychology is extremely related culture he grew up in. thus the product of that psychological effort hardly belongs to him.
that's just one point
flyingturtle22 2 months ago
@flyingturtle22 so I have the same right to live in your house as you do? Do you lock your doors? If yes why, what's the point the rest of us have the same right to the product of your labor (as extension of the product of your mind) as you do. You should share it with us, greedy asshole!
DaniOcean 1 month ago
@DaniOcean I never stated a damn thing about having a right to life. And again, commodifying does not lead to a free society. Human beings cannot be separated from their labor; this particular video actually explains a lot of what I am getting at with human labor: /watch?v=6ArkJmUOIqM
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
@DaniOcean you're an idiot, not only your interpolation of what I said baffles me by its stupidity, your reasoning is terribly weak and backwards.
your line of reasoning is to try to illustrate unwanted consequences from a reality I'm proposing. it's like trying to argue that gravity is incorrect because it causes deaths. it's called reality, if you don't like it, well go cry to mommy but let the big boys do their work.
I honestly am baffled by how stupid your reasoning is.
flyingturtle22 1 month ago
@flyingturtle22 So, you're going to engage in a cop out then of responding to anything I said with a bunch of name calling? Good job at showing your intellectual superiority by being a complete baby that I responded to all of your points and now your crying over it.
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
@NewSocietyRBE ? wtf?
I responded to DaniOcean, unless you're also DO, you've never responded to any of my points nor directed anything to me. and in case you are DO, in which case you have a sever case of dual personality disorder, I did, I showed that his reasoning is fallacious.
flyingturtle22 1 month ago
@flyingturtle22
Okay, sorry for the late response. I don't check my inbox very often.
To the point, a person's psyche is effected/formed by several factors, of which culture is one. Ultimately it is an amalgamation of many influences, from parents, friends, and intellectual pursuits. But this is irrelevant as psychological effort in this context refers to willing ones self to act in order to survive. Your own mental exertions can not belong to anyone or anything. You can only own what results.
karlschenkable 1 month ago
@karlschenkable
the reasoning doesn't follow. The last two statements are statements without anything to support them. the one before that, the psychological effort he's talking about has nothing to do with the psychological effort we use for survive. the context is relevant because a persons psychological effort is partly determined by their surroundings, so why would they own something they had no part in producing.
flyingturtle22 1 month ago
@karlschenkable think about it like this, you have identical twins that are orphans, one gets adopted by a very wealthy family, is the eldest of his siblings, has a great education, bla bla bla,
the other didn't turn out so lucky, has to get a job at 16 and doesn't do so well in an undereducated life.
I would argue that the difference in wage the luckier one has doesn't belong to him as he had no control of the factors that gave him that difference. you seem to disagree, why.
flyingturtle22 1 month ago
@flyingturtle22 maybe its time to kill your self?
xHippieHunter 1 month ago
@xHippieHunter maybe it's time you took English classes
flyingturtle22 1 month ago
I am compelled to state that the end ending of this video was thoroughly entertaining. You have made my day. Keep up the good work!
proxyamenra 3 months ago
Hate to say it but HTWW took a massive dump on thunderf00t
TheMango121 3 months ago
SLAM!
Jebus, this is the logistic, fact-based beatdown for the year of 2009.
The limey got pwnt.
MerlinsJester 3 months ago
When I first saw that this was an argument with Thunderf00t I must admit I was put off because most of the people who argue with him are idiotic Creationists. After watching this video and watching the other videos I was pretty impressed in how you handled it. If I have any objection it would be your ad hom throughout the video and your arrogance at the end. Other than that it was very informative. Thanks!
TVOham 4 months ago
All this time and this video still rocks! This is "the one" that finally showed me what an a**hole is tf00t and shortly after, I unsubscribed from him and subscribed to HTWW. I watched all his(HTWW) videos since then. Great channel!
DaniOcean 4 months ago
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YohanBone 5 months ago
We creationists don't believe in a flying spaghetti monster, that is the only thing wrong with this video though
BRHproductionstudio 5 months ago
OMG this video has so much fail I have no idea where to begin.
TheFluffyDuck 5 months ago
So how does healthcare not help you defended your "LIFE, liberty and propety".
Sorry but you're wrong, health care is just as important as police and a defence force.
TheFluffyDuck 5 months ago
@TheFluffyDuck Healthcare is not a right. Neither is owning a home. You don't have the right to happiness, you have the right to PURSUE it for yourself. If you want something, go out and EARN it. You want better healthcare?
Good. Go earn the money to pay for it. Don't expect me to.
I will grant you the COSTS are fucking insane and there needs to be a change there. We need to elect people like Ron Paul who aren't beholden to the insurance companies. You want costs down? Go out & vote 4 Ron PAUL.
2eelShmeal 4 months ago
you are saying that the only way to put food on your table is with privae propeties models???? how about precolombines cultures in America, Incas have a socialist like view of the propetie and was verry succesfull until the spanish destroy them. It doesnt mater how is the propety of the land hwat is important is the efficiency. Deng Xiaoping said it "It doesn't matter if a cat is black or white, so long as it catches mice"
shadowmax889 5 months ago
@shadowmax889 do you realize Deng Xiaoping was talking about getting capitalist systems in communist China, and he also said : " to get rich is glorious"(which I agree)
And the Inca, is ridiculousness , you don't know enough about them to say they didn't have a famine, and you don't know enough about them to say they where socialists but I bet they where slave owners..
I see you live in Venezuela, I really pity you...
paulstroie 4 months ago
@paulstroie i know Deng Xiaoping was talking about getting capitalist systems in China but the point is it doesn't mater if the system is socialist or capitalist, only if it works for the country or the culture is what mater. If you don't know anything about Incas don't comment. I know they had a verry succesful system for them with no private propety and no slaves you can google it. The Aztecs also had this system.
PS i do live in Venezuela but you can save you pity for others.
shadowmax889 4 months ago
@shadowmax889 do you realize that in the US 16 year olds have their own car?, and even homeless beggars can make as much they can buy a car. The incas are really poetic and all, but look how succesfull it was, they where over run by a hand of hungry Europeans, I would be really ashamed if I where an ancestor of those people...I really see the Incas as a big big big FAIL....
paulstroie 4 months ago
@paulstroie they where not fail thay only had worst technology that's all. If you consider just because another culture has better wepons and conquers other the less armed culture is fail you sir are narrow minded. Greeks were conqered by Romans so they were fail? Greeks conquered Persians so they were fail?? you know nothing abut history!!
shadowmax889 4 months ago
@paulstroie Continue... They have Famine of course like other western cultures, but not becasue of the system, it was becasue war deseases, pest and other things.
Capitalism is a good system but is not perfect and that is my point. An economy system must fit the culture of the country. The most succesfull countries are those who integrate the good things about socialism and the good things about capitalism.
shadowmax889 4 months ago
@shadowmax889 if you call police and the army socialism than I would agree with you, but healthcare I would not... I am really curious how you people see the US and what country you consider the most succesfull...
paulstroie 4 months ago
@paulstroie Police and Army are not socialism neither capitalism, They are necessary in any country.
I consider US a nice country to live but between the develope countries is not the better place to live. Any western European country (spetialy nordics) or even Canada are way better places to live, with better healthcare system, better economy, better educaton options, security, the right amount of market freedom and right amount of control from state. You see capitalism with some socialism.
shadowmax889 4 months ago
@shadowmax889 I can see you never been in Europe or the US ,I'm dutch and I live in the US, needless to say the United States of America is the greatest country that ever existed on the face of the planet...
But you are entitled to you biased non-factual opinion.
paulstroie 4 months ago
@paulstroie i have been in Europe, your personal experience contrast with the PNUD. I am in Venezuela with huge poverty and a disaster of economy but there are people now that are having a good life, better than the people who live in the most exclusives locations in LA, Paris or New York. Your personal experience mean nothing neather mine.
shadowmax889 4 months ago
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celrse 3 months ago
@celrse you continue to believe that while I have my 2 story house, my 3 cars and my guns (wich you can't have no matter how much money you have, anywhere in the world )... And if things get better in China than in US I'll move there.... where ever is capitalism I will be there... Don't really give a shit about a particular country, I just love capitalism, freedom and having money....
paulstroie 3 months ago
can't you do it in one go?
dudeguy647 6 months ago
ha, your editing makes it look like you NEVER BLINK...LOL
fetishisticrose 6 months ago
O, sorry, I just noticed I didn't give a basic defense of education in (what I believe to be) your view. Protecting property enforcing contracts doesn't mean only from ppl with knives in your back. Many use pens. A basic level of education is necessary to protect from more devious means of theft. Individuals must have basic literacies; basic knowledge of politics, economics, science, etc and knowledge of their rights and laws protecting them.
MrFelix987 7 months ago
Just one further little point. You mention the original distinction state and federal was because states mistrusted each other. Was there another reason i missed? Anyway, this is very context sensitive. If we trust each other enough now why maintain the same separation at the State-Fed level? It seems very arbitrary, especially if merely geographical. If it is more social, then why hasn't that changed by now?
MrFelix987 7 months ago
@MrFelix987
Its not arbitrary. They did mistrust each other, but they decided they can unite to defend from foreign enemies if the federal government will not have the power to impose its will on states. It was made so even the majority could not cause discrimination against majority, and about education it does not have to and it was not performed for a long time by the gov.. Also government do little to teach about avoiding the threats you mentioned.
serialkiller1990 6 months ago
@serialkiller1990 i think you misread what I wrote.
MrFelix987 6 months ago
'Taking' property from the unwilling 'sounds' really bad, but I think that's only because it's a poor way of phrasing the sentiment. I think it makes perfect sense that we should, even if only for police and military.
MrFelix987 7 months ago
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MrFelix987 7 months ago
Well if I am unwilling to shed even this minimal taxation (say I naively think I can defend myself against thieves and foreign invaders), then what? Must I move out of the boundaries that the US military continues to police? How does this minimal government handle the naive who will nonetheless benefit? Further, how does it handle the smarter freeloaders if it allows opting out? Willingness seems a poor distinction for figuring out lawful v unlawful 'taking' of another's prop by the gov.
MrFelix987 7 months ago
But back tracking a little, and correct me if I'm wrong, you argue 'gov cannot take away life, lib or prop' but needs several things to protect it. What I'm curious is the use of 'take.' If categorically it cannot 'take' any of your property, like income via taxes, it cannot fund its protection. You obviously think it can in order to further protect. This seems more utilitarian than categorical. It can 'take' away your property. But maybe the distinction is bt willing and unwilling?
MrFelix987 7 months ago
Hey, enjoyed your video. I agree with a lot but disagree with a couple of things. First, your reasoning about government responsibilities for X and Y I can see being easily extended to many things like health and education, at least in some basic form. For instance, someone may be willing or able to purchase a vaccination. For my own self interest I want them to. Providing vaccinations and basic health lowers the risk of disease for others and increases productivity. Same with education.
MrFelix987 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
I don't give a fuck, all i know is fuckos like you and him are the parasites of mankind
sonykroket 7 months ago
Douchies like this talk like laywers to hide the fact they're rightwing neocon Fox-news fuckspanks
sonykroket 7 months ago
Outstanding video Lee. Thanks for putting that arrogant snob in his place. Hooah from the US Army
bahdahdoop 8 months ago
@bahdahdoop
LOL stop switching accounts and talking to yourself.
sonykroket 7 months ago
@sonykroket Sorry, try again. And way to switch the subject from your idiotic, ignorant name calling.
bahdahdoop 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
You accountswitching dumbass. Why don't you go and suck Glenn Becks dick, shitface.
sonykroket 7 months ago
@sonykroket Are you kidding or are you actually that stupid? I've uploaded videos of my own, genius. It wouldn't take you 5 seconds to to click on my page to find that out. How can you be that stupid and still manage to survive?
bahdahdoop 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
You're a lying piece of accountswitching dogshit
sonykroket 7 months ago
@sonykroket lol, dude you've got issues. I just proved you're an idiot. deal with it
bahdahdoop 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
You didn't prove shit, accountswitcher.
Deal with what? the fact you're a lying douchebag?
sonykroket 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
The only thing you proved is that you're the gimp of this moron you keep sucking up to.
HowTheWorldSmirks and his groupies, LOL
sonykroket 7 months ago
@sonykroket Wait, I'm a groupie now? I thought I was HTWW himself and I was sswitching accounts so I could talk to myself....lol you're a joke. Good luck, kid.
bahdahdoop 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
It's fuckin rightwing nazis like you that ruin this planet.
sonykroket 7 months ago
@sonykroket My, jumping all over the place today, aren't we? I've been a account switcher, a groupie, and a right wing nazi, all in the last hour. The sad part is, none of these criticisms constitute an actual argument. Keep throwing out mindless bullshit like a 4 year old, though. It really works for you.
bahdahdoop 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
Yes, you are all of those things i mentioned.
You neocon nazi
sonykroket 7 months ago
@sonykroket Not that you actually will, but you should do some reading and educate yourself about the Nazi party. I'll give you a hint: they weren't right wing.
bahdahdoop 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
Yes they were.
Hitler believed he was doing godswork and was a roman catholic. He also got funded by Bushs' granddaddy and the US engaged in the european war AFTER Roosevelt dragged them in. Hitler even had a few businessdeals going with the US before all this and the US government thought he could be a potential partner in things.
Also, they believed the poor and sick should be wiped out or removed from society, just like the healthcare-insurance companies in the US.
As last,
sonykroket 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
After the war, the US started with operation Paperclip. This was created to gather all nazi scientist they could use to give the US a military advantage over the former Sovjet Union.
I can go on all night, douchie.
And then you say they werent rightwing?
sonykroket 7 months ago
@sonykroket Nazi's had scientists, so they were right wing? So glad you think that science is a pursuit only for the right wing. Guess you are OK with your ignorance.
The Nazi's were socialists. Hell, it's even in their name - National SOCIALISM. Read their party platform sometime - it mandates things like universal healthcare and other socialist policies. Idiot.
mtanousable 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
So maybe you should do some research, neocon fascist soldjaboi.
sonykroket 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
You're probably too big of a gung ho-moron to even realize you're full of shit.
sonykroket 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
Hey pssst, want another little gem about the US?
Bin Laden was funded and trained by the CIA to attack the russians in the 80s. Until he went bad shit and thought he was an UberQuranjockey-deluxe royale.
He takes a few shots at his former employees using other mosquedwellers and hey presto, 9/11. I'm glad they whacked this fuckin superstitious sandbox-maggot but still.
He only got big because of the CIA, his family is close with the Bush family BTW
sonykroket 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
So where are you now, Mr Semper Fly-jarhead? Playing with your G.I Joe dolls? Reading the superbly intellectual masterpieces about how fascism can be a good thing by S. Hannity or B. O'Really? Holding a Jaydoubleya-Bush blow up doll?
Hmm, i think you're watching Fox News and think it's objective journalism.
LMAO, fuckin douchebag you are.
sonykroket 7 months ago
@sonykroket Blah blah blah.....more garbage noise. Semper 'fi' is a Marine Corps code. I'm in the Army, genius. Are you actually going to attempt to make an argument about something, or are you going to continue on like a temper tantrum throwing snot nosed brat? You're wasting my time.
bahdahdoop 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
Yes, we already establed you were in the army, you keep parading with it. Are you suffering from alzheimer or is it a side-effect of depleted uranium that causes memoryloss?
And the fact you have nothing to respond with confirms you have no idea what you talking about, sodjahboi.
You=fail
sonykroket 7 months ago
@sonykroket Wow, you really have no idea why your argument makes no sense, do you? You can't be any older than 14. Anyways, I'm a deist. I don't have religion. You aren't worth my time. You don't even possess the basic knowledge that Nazi's were socialists. Have a nice day.
bahdahdoop 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
BTW, you said the nazi's were leftwing and i just showed you how thats complete BS using some historical knowledge. Now, i know you silly soldjahboys aren't trained to think for yourself but to accept rightwing propaganda without question.
Too bad it's making you look like the stupid ignorant army-dork you really are. You probably don't even know what language Semper Fi is without googling it.
P.S You're also a biblekisser, arent ya?
sonykroket 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
P.S Lying neocon nazis like you always have several accounts, lying parasite.
It's the only way they have a shot at winning.
sonykroket 7 months ago
@sonykroket lol, you're still convinced of that, huh. You think I need another account to 'win'? First off, that doesn't even make sense. If a person is ignorant/stupid, they will still be ignorant/stupid under another name. Secondly, you're just pulling accusations out of your ass without any evidence to support them. Thirdly, I will destroy you in a debate about absolutely anything. All you're good for is acting like a child throwing a tantrum. You've yet to make anything close to an argument.
bahdahdoop 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
Oh BTW, look up Werner von Braun. He got the americans on the moon.
Even though he was a brilliant guy, he also was a member of the nazi-party and used jews and prisoncamp labour to build his factory in the mountains. This is also the place they started testing de V2, the exact same rocket was being used by the US as a prototype when the space race started between the US and USSR
LOL, it's just too easy with rightwing corporate fascism-groupies like you.
Aight?
sonykroket 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
US Army=poor backward rednecks
sonykroket 7 months ago
@sonykroket Haha, you're getting really desperate now, huh. All these insults, but no substance. Anyways, I'm in the US Army and I have a Masters degree. I guess I didn't get the memo. I'll be sure to pass on your news, though. You shouldn't be burdened with such a horrible secret.
bahdahdoop 7 months ago
@bahdahdoop
US army and a masters degree? In what? Killing innocent people? Being brainwashed by your corporate warcriminal presidents? Believing lies and willing to kill for it without any specific reason? Thinking deregulation is good?
Maybe you have a masters degree in fascism, gestapo-boi
sonykroket 7 months ago
Lee - this is your most amazing video ever. You totally destroyed him
Jaspian 9 months ago
Thunderf00t's just a character assassin who explains high school science to teenagers. I don't see the point in referring to him as "the expert," if not to mock the fact that he criticized you for not being one.
Qvoim 9 months ago
Thank you for taking the time to do this. Thundershits is a pseudo-intellectual master of hyperbole. Basically he is really good at articulating mental retardation.
circusOFprecision 10 months ago 2
Good stuff.
Razlo5000 10 months ago
2003 "changed the name from global warming to 'climate change'"
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) founded in...1988
Yes, very devious.
Chopstewie 10 months ago
I dont understand why this video has so many dislikes. u Pwned tf00t.
SnipeZuDown 10 months ago 15
@SnipeZuDown tf00t drones auto one starring without watching the video. Of course why youtube have not made it so you cannot rate until you have watched any video for its entire length without skipping to lower the abuse rate of the like and dislike button is beyond me, its a simple solution that would cure part of that particular problem.
galenwolf 10 months ago
@SnipeZuDown
You answered your own question.
mikerotcherson 9 months ago
@SnipeZuDown Because liberals care less about the quality and thought put behind an argument and rather the opinion itself. It's shameful.
DarthKrattus 4 months ago
@DarthKrattus Please note that I'm a HTWW fan, but: Why is it shameful to judge an argument by its content? If you disagree with a video's content/message, then voting the video down is an acceptable way to show that. You don't have to give everyone an "'A' for effort". Lee is an adult and doesn't need people to tell him, "I think your argument sucks but you worked hard so here's an up-vote for trying." If they like it they'll give it a thumbs-up, and if they don't like it then they won't.
TehGiggleMonster 4 months ago
@TehGiggleMonster Well, no, I understand what you're saying. I guess I just have unrealistic expectations with YouTubers. I myself thumbs up liberal videos which are well-constructed and cogently argued, and conversely thumbs down unintelligent conservative ones (I'm a libertarian/conservative HTWW fan). Whatever.
DarthKrattus 4 months ago
@SnipeZuDown its because tf00ts fans just came over and disliked it regardless of watching it or not.
nate1454dog 3 months ago
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wellletsstartagain 10 months ago
you do not provide both sides with sufficient evidence, unless you're an "expert" in psychology you do not have any right to judge your opinion, understanding above, below or equal to anyone else's opinion(s) and/or understanding(s), even so being an expert does not justify comparing and judging your opinion(s) and/or understanding(s) above, below or equal to any others, to do so would be a declaration of ignorance stating you know and understand the person you are judging entirely good vid :D
spazic1493 11 months ago
I have to concur with a few points in this video, first of all how you define a resource is an opinion; whether you define it as something that you know how to use or whether you define it as something that can be used whether you know how to or not. secondly the needs of the people do come first; yes people not person because the needs of the people count towards humanities future not on an individual basis but as a society so if profit comes without advancement or sustainability....
spazic1493 11 months ago
@spazic1493 then it wouldn't be a benefeit and infact would be fraud, theft etc hence profit occuring without fulfilling individual needs or societal needs. Thirdly education does not mean understanding, you firmly believe what you have been taught and have tested, yes you know what happens but you may not fully understand it, therefore education is partially irrelevant to your understanding as a whole. Note experts are considered experts because of knowledge not understanding, they are...
spazic1493 11 months ago
@spazic1493 considered experts if you can relate to their beliefs, explanations, understandings etc, therefore the term experts become irrelevant. You can only justify an arguement if it is you're own; using other persons' understandings, statements, explanations etc becomes inconclusive to your understanding, your arguement becomes irrelevant as it is an arguement of difference in beliefs (you believe the "experts"). You provide a biased arguement...
spazic1493 11 months ago
Only on the net can someone speak the truth and be looked down on for it.
(Check the thumbs)
sabata2 11 months ago
Wow smackdown!!!
JohnTightlips 11 months ago
Man Htww is awesome
lemkelegion 11 months ago
True that. Same thing. I was lucky enough to have two very pseudo-nonconformist parents who believed that the government couldn't be trusted in general. But still i was overwhelmed from an early age by essentially socialist ideas. So many things i accepted for the moment by default because they were essentially the only arguments presented to me. I've spent my entire life weeding out those ideas one by one as i gradually discovered the other side to it which i'd hardly been exposed to at all.
eggory 11 months ago
Whoa, aren't you talking about communism at 8:17 ? That's not a socialist concept, that's a communist concept. Communism is clearly a failed ideal.
FrostuMcPenos 1 year ago
In hunter-gatherer societies, private property does not exist. The notion of private property is relatively new. It is the result of a settled life that began after the invention of agriculture.
I agree that people need the right to private property, but I disagree with the notion that private property is a natural human condition....it is not.
kshackleton 1 year ago
Your explanation of the founding is something every American needs to hear. It's so basic it's silly. The Founders were brilliant.
The Federal Government exists to provide very basic functions, and most of them can be handled on a local level.
fishblades 1 year ago
It is kinda funny that your youtube name is "HowTheWorldWorks" and your intro is the world going backwards.
At least you know, i guess.
imnotthisoldlol 1 year ago
Pwned mathafakka! keeping it real intellectual style, smacking self proclaimed expert bitches up!
killerbee2k 1 year ago 3
You are slightly wrong in your analysis of the constitution:
military was never a legitamite function- a militia is but not a military. The difference is very fundamental and astute. A militia is made by the people for the people and is accountable to the people. A free and sovereign nation has no need for standing armies. But a empire requires many an army.
swu880 1 year ago
@HowTheWorldWorks - just say that it's symbolic of how you're trying to fix the crazy lies being told by the left. get what i'm saying? hahha.
1androo2 1 year ago
well what the hell HTWW, absolute communism vs capitalism isn't a hard problem to solve, capitalism is better. But just because the extreme of socialism is bad doesn't mean that all hints of socialism is bad.
Happypast 1 year ago
... is that the earth spinning the wrong way? How did you get a simple fact about how the world behaves wrong with a name like "HowTheWorldWorks"
JagermeisterDetox 1 year ago
just another apologist pep of the right wing
DeRocco21 1 year ago
the staring is a little creepy... just saying
ClintSevilla 1 year ago
Finally someone understanding capitalism. Well done video.
"On the free market, everyone earns according to his productive value in satisfying consumer desires. Under statist distribution, everyone earns in proportion to the amount he can plunder from the producers."
Murray N. Rothbard, Man, Economy, & State, Ch 19.
DanMorin007 1 year ago
Nice video. A great defence of the Constitution and federalism. I long for the time when we establish world federalism so that the benefits of freedom, liberty and free market capitalism with limited government can be extended to the whole planet.
DarthMaul8065 1 year ago
listening to you talk makes me feel less intelligent. theres so much trash in your words.
HighFlyActionGuy 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
'people cannot be considered property'? I guess HTWW hasnt read the constitution or 'The 3/5th Compromise'.
bdhcarbon 1 year ago
@bdhcarbon It is you who hasn't read the Constitution you fool, nor do you know the history of the compromise genius. The 3/5 compromise had to do with Representation, not whether or not slavery should exist. The SOUTH wanted slaves to count as full citizens for representation. The NORTH didn't because it felt if the South wasn't going to give them full rights as citizens, the SOUTH shouldn't benefit from their extra population.
I'm sick of ignorant Leftist like yourself.
HowTheWorldWorks 1 year ago 31
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@HowTheWorldWorks geeze, your pretty rude arnt you? Ignorant leftist? Genius? Its sad that you got beat up so much when you were a kid but im sure you asked for it alot! lol... anyhow...
I didnt say that the 3/5 compromise had anything to do with the idea that slavery should exist. I stated that the south regarded slaves as property and they also considered them a person in that they wanted to be counted as a person to be represented. Thus we had the south that considered people as property.
bdhcarbon 1 year ago
@bdhcarbon No, it didn't "state" any such thing genius. The Constitution was neutral on slavery until the 13th Amendment, which abolished it.
HowTheWorldWorks 1 year ago 13