Plato describes the matrix - The Cave

[smallpotatoes989]

so In a way he is saying that what we can councesly see is just a miror shadow image of the true reality. you have to be a spiritual person in order for you to understand that.

[alketas3]

What is the title of music at the beginning of the video, plz?

[msbrandonking]

@eosforosgrpt now your just using ad hominid fallacies. you obviously have lost your arguement.

[neLAsesh]

Mindfucked

[msbrandonking]

@eosforosgrpt make up your own quote to use and then your statement will be justified There you go, i spelled it out for you.

[msbrandonking]

@eosforosgrpt you can still support your views, just not copy quotes.

[DrFruedienslip]

There is no continuity unless there is one which has and can be defined that everyone would naturaly know, this would become any basis within any physical constitution for any and all physical truths within any physics inner to any outer interventions'

[msbrandonking]

@eosforosgrpt There is a diffrence between sharing view points and copying something they say.

[msbrandonking]

@eosforosgrpt that does not contradict my previous comment.

[msbrandonking]

@eosforosgrpt why can't two people share the same view?

[msbrandonking]

@eosforosgrpt don't quote someone to seem intellegent.

[msbrandonking]

@eosforosgrpt i was showing you that its not fun to correct someone's spelling or syntax error's. did you not read the comment?

[msbrandonking]

@eosforosgrpt anybody who corrects someone's spelling on youtube is seriously egotistic, you act as if nobody makes spelling errors. you have two incomplete sentences in your last comment. The rest of your comment doesn't make any sense

[msbrandonking]

@eosforosgrpt This quote has no pertinance to your arguement and further proves that you are of low intellegence.

[msbrandonking]

@eosforosgrpt " you address to me originally so that makes you the fly according to your metaphor" ignoring the grammer error, and the stupidity in that comment i have to say thatwould be a good arguement if i wasn't also the one slapping you away.

[msbrandonking]

@eosforosgrpt how am i spasmodic? also i don't know if you were being metaphorical when you said " ... last comment declared the nature of a minor" but for the sake of saving time im going to asume you mean under drinking age.

1. im 19 so i am under drinking age

2. right now im in college

3. your probably a pseudo intellectual who gets all his information for youtube

4. i mean you know emotional pain, but you are like a fly no matter how many times i slap you away you seem to come back.

[msbrandonking]

@eosforosgrpt why do you have to use ad hominid fallacies? self conscience much? and underage for what?

[msbrandonking]

@eosforosgrpt it's called giving you a taste of your own medicine.

[theamsterdamlover]

If the guy doing the voice-over was American, I'd be less attentive. An English accent sounds more intelligent..

[msbrandonking]

@eosforosgrpt I find it funny

let me give you a quote of julian an 250 a.d king.

"people use quotes as if they had the intelligence of the people who conceived them"

if you are going to use a quote in your argument make one up on your own or else you sound like a egotistic self proclaimed douchebag taking credit for other people's genius.

[siriusstar10000]

I've added it to my favorites

[MYTHIRDSHADOW]

@eosforosgrpt people, what we have here is the last ditch efforts of a human mind clinging to an identity constructed out of ideals and dogmas, which are now being challenged, implanted in eosforosgrpt's mind throughout his life. Its because he finds his identity in these MALICIOUS philosophers, that he is unwilling to accept that they and he, could be (they are) wrong! how sad... and he uses 7th grade jokes about goats to lash out at anyone who challenges his "identity" or beliefs. how sad.

[MYTHIRDSHADOW]

@eosforosgrpt logic and science are not the enemy of philos or humanity. what a display of ignorance on ur part. u just hit on the point I made, THE WRONG KIND OF PHILOS WILL BRAINWASH UR THOUGHTS AND RIGHT NOW IT HAS CORRUPTED SCIENCE AND LOGIC. i bet u have no clue where the philosophic ideals that "built" the west originate who do you think our founding fathers agreed with, aristotle? FUCK NO that liar developed ideas that ensured the population would fall under rule of empire.

[MYTHIRDSHADOW]

@eosforosgrpt settle down little one. did I challenge your hard earned brainwashing? struck a nerve did i? those listed have one thing in common: they limit human experience to our senses of pleasure and pain. when you teach that crap in schools you teach kids to believe they are merely animals. Plato and Socrates understood our true identity as humans... it's in our minds. b.russell was an evil sick son of a bitch who wanted nothing more than to develop new ways to control the masses!

[y00n1x]

@jezza84 what helped set you free was it the weed? :)

[BABAMUMBU]

Anybody knows the name of the song at the beginning?

[DieserBenuterIstCool]

Δεδογμένον το δε πράγμα: ο Πλάτων μέγιστος φιλόσοφος της ιστορίας των ανθρώπων ην.

[IMTrinity4ever]

I can't get enuff of The Matrix, but don't know much about Philosopy and ppl keep saying that Matrix is rlted to some philosophers. I rcved a link for user bigbangillusion777. The videos?... not worth it, but he wrote something about Philosophy and the Matrix (the mind-only life link). Can you guys read it and say if thatmakes any sense? thx

[jezza1789]

Fox news is the strongest chain in the cave, Im glad im out I use to belive the wars were justified and I was also racist and miserable untill I finally got out. I finally feel free, I walk through life fearless and in a state of peace i love it.

[DieserBenuterIstCool]

@jezza1789

You are an inspiration.

[BABAMUMBU]

@jezza1789 I always question the received reality. The consensus reality is often intentionally misleading - George Carlin

[jezza1789]

@BABAMUMBU Agreed, George Carlin was a smart man. I enjoyed listening to him speak

[MYTHIRDSHADOW]

@BABAMUMBU true thAT!

[LoneSomeSong]

@jezza1789 lol good to see that belligerent intolerable liberals are bashing the one beacon of conservatism in media anywhere they can.

[mistahReggaelution]

@good2goski WORD!

[cloaknpoke]

I really like the quote at the end.

[nickfromdtown1992]

haha this is funny. i never thought of the cave as the matrix.

[onvarocks]

What? this is wrong. I'll it explain for $1,000,000cash. your call.........

[MuchAdmiredEditor]

females hate males because in the womb both sexes have the same starter kit until when it falls away from the females due to weakness which is the reason behind "penis envy" among females. The great genius Plato had knowledge of this ages before modern medical science confirmed it. Plato theorized that there was nothing mysterious about females since they all fall into the category of "castrated males".

[415califas]

good music

[colmmernagh]

Aristotle "What does it mean to be a good person?"

Descartes "What does it mean to be?"

Nietzche "What does it mean?"

Bertrand Russell "What does "it" mean?"

C.S.Lewis "What does it?"

Lil john "WHAT?"

[kievdabigdog]

@colmmernagh hah! So who will ask the next question, and better yet, where do we go from WHAAAAT??

[GoldsboroughStudios]

Nice.

[akaflipmode]

people "wha?"

[MYTHIRDSHADOW]

@colmmernagh you've made a nice list of the biggest dumb fucks ever in history! these supposed philosophers have completely poisoned our culture and our politicians with lies, purposely, to support empiricism, which of course makes animals and slaves of us all. I can't believe universities teach this crap and call that an education! disgusting. thats how u get young fools who end up in places of power who treat humans like animals, no morality.

[maidenkid84]

wow this is intense, am i in the cave, or outside at the moment, was i first on the cave to begin with, and have ventured out without knowing. looking back it seems that way, or perhaps it is reverse for me. this really makes you think

[AEigner]

@maidenkid84 To know if you've been in the cave, is to think back to before, and realize that you could never go back to living without the knowledge or life you have now. If you find yourself unable to explain to someone the true meaning of the experience you've gained, without showing them, then you left a 'cave'. It's a point that opens your eyes and affects you so much, you can't go back to how it was before. For humanity it's things like fire, the wheel, the atom, the internet, space travel

[stevebrauning]

I think that this philosophy establishes a false dichotomy between the visible world and some imaginary elevated plane.

[MrPontiusPilate]

You sound like you aint American. You french or something. Only them damn French hate false dichotomies.

[stevebrauning]

I am American and I don't like false dichotomies. My apologies and regards to "them damn French".

[pillsburydoughboy47]

UGH I get so tired of that "television" thing!

if plato was going to criticize sillouette theater he'd have said so!

he used sillouette theater as a METAPHOR for human arrogance!

Think for a second; what is the true worth of a trophy for example? It just sits there; what's its use?

no one ever thinks about these things; human culture is full of monuments to ego, the most extreme examples being the Pyramids of egypt.

[amusingisthedawn]

Plato was one of the first Yogis.

[pinto9988]

Doesnt arguing over who were the wisest people in history make something of a mockery of the very virtues these great men stood for?

[riskyshotz]

No. Abstinence from debate is not a virtue I seek in anyone I consider wise, nor would I agree to it being considered a virtue to begin with.

[pinto9988]

I agree with your statement although I feel that that the underlying assumptions need to be addressed. My argument is based on the assumption that a virtue of being wise is humility. A wise man is not wise to be the greatest but rather to further the plight of man.

[riskyshotz]

I do not believe that humility and wisdom are mutually exclusive, although I will admit the exclusivity in the majority of cases I have personally seen in persons who could generally be regarded as wise, as well as within the general stereotype of the concept of a wise man. Perhaps one could say that it is easier to find genuine wisdom in men who are not seeking knowledge for purposes of pride, as you implicated.

[TheStardazy]

@pinto9988 No!

[attilaclark]

The assertion that Plato is the greatest metaphysical philosopher....no way...the Buddha has yet to be eclipsed. And there are many others in India who would be put him to shame.

[Lizblackrose]

"And there are many others in India who would be put him to shame."

in your dreams!

[groovymero]

Buddha?!!...hahahahahaa

[RighthereonEarth]

Sorry flavour54, but the images dancing upon the wall of the cave aren't out there. The cave is your mind, and any belief in the reality of the shadows waltzing within is a sure sign of taught chaining. Self induced subjugation, that is. It's time to stand up and take responsibility for your life/illusion.

[miehver]

That is true...

Peace !

[teslaglobal]

When humans learn to throw pride to the winds the world will become whole. Until them we are all " the scurge of the earth ".

[Globalmarketingpros]

Greatest Meta-physical philosopher including Saint Augustine and Saint Ambrose of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

[mogodbilealadamnbama]

Why hasn't anyone taken you to task for your absolutely ridiculous opinion that Catholic Saints could POSSIBLY be wise philosophers? They might be wise propagandists, but philosophers?

Yeah, they're so wise they keep changing their doctrine to suit the times. Then again, you know all about "marketing", don't you?

[Cathain78]

Why can Catholic saints not be wise philosophers? The Scholastics and people like St Thomas Aquinas were no different from Plato or Aristotle in these regards. In fact they drew heavily from them, developing their ideas and and adding to them, just as philsophers have always done - just as Plato did to Socrates, and Aristotle did to Plato, and Plotinus to Ammonius Saccas, etc

Don't let any bias against the Church lead you to make false accusations.

Also, what doctrines did they change, exactly

[mogodbilealadamnbama]

This is just my opinion, but in my view Plato viewed man as self-determinate. Whereas St. Augustine necessarily viewed man as a helpless and sinful creature in the eyes of God. In this view, man is incapable of governing himself and therefore must acquiesce- to who else?- The Catholic Church.

I fancy myself a Deist. It's hard for me to believe that everything I know as life emerged from the primordial ooze spontaneously. Likewise, the hocus-pocus of religion gives me the willys.

[Cathain78]

Thanks for your considered response.

There is certainly truth in what you said here.

However, we shoudl remember that Plato also considered the masses to be incapable of rational thought. Only the small minority are caable and these people should be educated to become the rulers (Guardian class of Plato's Republic), who rule society in stead of the masses who are incapable of ruling themselves - enslaved to the baser parts of their souls.

[Cathain78]

You can draw similarities between Plato's ideal society and the ecclesiastical society of the Church.

Consider many of the recommendations for the Guardian class that Plato outlined - no private property, no personal family, a life of examination and self-reflection, etc

These were adopted by the Christian clergy.

Medieval society is the closest the West has come to a Platonic sociey.

BTW, although a Christian myself, I respect Deism. I myself make a leap of faith, but Deism is itself logical

[toyboy4u2]

@Cathain78, no private property in medieval (feudal) society? im sure the barons and lords would be suprised to hear that.

[Cathain78]

I'm sure they would but this isn't what I said.

I said the clergy had no private property (and still don't). Similarly, Plato's Guardian class were to have no private propery either.

Of course others, both in Medieval society and Plato's ideal society, could have private property and private wealth. Plato's recommendations in The Republic of no private property, wealth or family applies only to his Guardian class.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

Some saints were genuine, others were cannonized. For example I think 5 popes were cannonized as saints, even though they never performed miracles. By contrast, there were people throughout the mediterranean Catholic world, able to cure, what was incurable, by all reports, animals were drawn to them, they could extend their hand and birds would land on them, unafraid. The birds were not afraid because the people were spiritually pure.

[OneMove33]

@pillsburydoughboy47 is there some kind of connection to spirit/god/the creator that we have lost and animals therefore see us as disconnected a bit like a cancerous tumour? Perhaps being stoned makes that disconnect even more so sometimes. How does one become good again and get over all the satanic stuff that we are bombarded with.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

how the hell should I know brit?

if I knew that I would have just "magically" vanished by now, I strongly dislike this world.

the only clues I have gathered, is that attaining some sort of enlightenment, involves asking God to protect you from evil spirits, and then endeavoring to crush your ego as much as possible.

My theory is, that the reason the Hebrew prophets "saw God," has to do with the arrogance crushing effect of the desert.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

additionally Lao Tzu constantly talks about "emptying the mind."

there is nothing more "empty" than the desert, and they say, the mind becomes what it sees. If all a hermit sees is nothing but empty desert, and lives alone, between the threat of constant death, and the desolation of the desert, sooner or later the arrogance in them will be crushed, and they will not only "see God," but even be capable of "supernatural powers."

[pillsburydoughboy47]

the Hebrews, I personally feel, that is my people, produced a disproportionate number of prophets and "enlightened masters," owing to our geography, at least, the geography where my ancestors lived.

Virtually all Hebrew prophets, lived as hermits in the desert, without exception. Even ones that grew up as scholars and priests, were "called out" to live in the wilderness.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

Despite its small size, Israel has some of the world's most dangerous deserts, even Israeli spec ops does not go out there without some sort of precaution, they are not out there completely alone, the head quarters of the IDF always know where they are.

the ancient Hebrew prophets went out there, COMPLETELY alone.

In fact some of the caves in which they lived are so out of the way, so dangerous, they are off limits to tourists. The Israeli authorities won't let you go out there alone.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

its much too dangerous; nevertheless, that is where the prophets "found God."

[YiannisThiakos]

In this video what seems satanic on your opinion? Please let me share opinion with you.

[OneMove33]

@YiannisThiakos i dontmean in this video i just mean in society, afterall the occult elites are pretty much satanists, im talking about the new world order bunch.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

animals, wild animals, are frightened of us, because we are evil, the reason dogs, cats, that is, the animals we've domesticated, are not afraid of us, is because they are noble animals that TOLERATE our evil, that is they are creatures so noble, they are tolerant of our corruption, however most of Earth's creatures, are not as tolerant.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

regarding the whole "animal" thing; native american lore 101.

wild animals are not so much scared of us, but repulsed by our evil.

[kanyis19]

@pillsburydoughboy47 your a fuck idiot. animals cant think but sense using there nose, mouth, eyes, and ears.

the thing with us is that we lost our sense which why you might say that animals are repulsed by our evil.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

why do you think cops love dogs so much?

dogs are excellent judge's of character, believe it or not canines have saved hundreds of innocent men from stiff sentences; any cop will tell you, that around a truly despicable person, a dog will snarl, and fiercely too.

[OneMove33]

@pillsburydoughboy47 The why when i was a top a hill did one of two dogs get agressive with me the other dog wasnt bothered by my presence. The owner said i startled him lol i startled him scared the beejesus outta me. I always get dogs barking at me when ive been smoking weed and im cycling around stoned why is that.

[OneMove33]

@pillsburydoughboy47 Thats not true with trhe dogs, have you ever watched the dog whisperer, thats why i get mixed reactions with dogs although i get barked at more when im stoned >8^p

[IMBUED]

all outter conflicts are reflects of inner conflicts. the roots are inner imperfections, which express in the outter world.

[Vintagecutie1a]

The guy talking sounds like Eckhart Tolle

[haoma13]

its hard to understand what plato talked about with mind,you can only experience and/or live it.Its like talking about the taste of a strawberry,can not be described.Many philosophers talk about plato but only 1% has meet him in the height he had been.

[CNN911Fakes]

Of course, we have a situation where the rothschilds have managed to go the other way; we had some liberty of movement of our heads and they have managed to rechain us so we have none.

We really believe that America is an independent country. Nope.

[rockmysock01]

I know..its sad that most stupid Americans dont realize that they are owned by the Federal Reserve and the Rothschilds.

Watch the documentary 'The Money Masters-How International Bankers Gained Control of America'.

It Explains everything

[miehver]

You are stupid for the use of your words. And so am I for calling you stupid.... Who are going to end that cirkel.

The same bank that controls america are controlling everything... What are you doing to stop it? beside complaining at others. I just want to know, so that I can do the same in my country.

Peace!

[delamoursbassace]

To say that for example, to me Brad Pitt doesn't exist. I have only seen him on t.v. so I do I know that he is real. To me he is only a digital reproduction. I know this analogy to be a little off put you should get the point.

[stomachknot]

but is not the sun just another great light casting shadows of earthly logic on us the slaves to newtons laws of cant get up cant turn your head and only see a shadow of the truth cast apon the wall of the cave of our mind.....is there another cave to leave and is this the ILUMINATI...to unchain us and lead us into the Light///even if it is painfull and upsets our need for stability and common good...

[CaiusAgrippa]

I am a proponent of Nietzschean existentialism and have strayed away from the ancient philosophers. This reintroduction to the Cave is inspiring and recalls to my mind the argument (which seems quite valid) of Alfred Whitehead, who said that all philosophy is a footnote to Plato. A great, great mind.

[thewhitetrashmuseum]

This has always been my favorite illustration of all time. I honestly feel that no one has ever made the point more clearly, ever. Thank you.

[neo19158]

Here the physical world(matrix)is in the form of a cave,in which the humans are trapped from the beginnings of our life.The world of daylight represents the realm of Ideas.Neos eyes grow accustomed to the light and he can look up to the sun,and understand what the ultimate source of light and life is.This is symbolic of the Idea of the Good in the Realm.This gradual process is a metaphor of education,and enlightenment.Yet the real lesson of Plato is that the enlightened person now has a moral..

[TruthJockey]

This allegory is actually a double entendre, it is about gaining a better UNDERSTANDING of reality (the opposite of Ignorance) but it's also eluding to CONSCIOUSNESS (or enlightenment), the references to light & the sun are trying to drive the point home. Very clever dude, that Plato.

[DaTekkenGod]

its remarkable how this philosophy dates back over 2000 years ago but most people are still seeing the shadows, chained down by the brainwashing aspects of soceity, unable to see the real world for what it truly is... History will always repeat unless people dont learn how to break those chains and allow themself to visualize and accept the truth.

Like he said -ignorance is the greatest of all evils.

[flavour54]

I wonder what would happen if everyone simultaneously woke up 1 morning and saw the world for exactly what it is. Would billions die? Lets take the movie "The Matrix" for a moment. If Neo simultaneously woke EVERYBODY up at once, what would happen? Perhaps a part of our personal consiousness's evolving is to wake up. Maybe this world has physical rules for a reason that only those who can see it will become part of a higher collective consiousness and the other pieces stay until ready? A thought

[DaTekkenGod]

definitely sounds reasonable.. I feel the number one problem is the mass soceity would rather watch "american idol" or "reality tv" then educate themselves beyond a newspaper or fox 5 reports. and that same mental barrier enables those few in power to always manipulate the mass population. i strongly feel if 6,000 years later this is still repeating then it might never change. but i do think most people arent ready for the red pill Morpheus offers because they believe in those talking shadows...

[flavour54]

Similiar beliefs. Peace.

[3Daver]

I have a headache

[IMBUED]

We never see light, we only see it interact with things visable, nor do we see gravity, or magnetism. Or in Hermeticism, the above, is responible for the below, but we only see the below. the realm of matter. and see light, only when it interacts with matter, but not the light itself.

[IMBUED]

nice, I dont agree with this being a prediction of Television, its an idea of reality.

[flavour54]

I agree, television is just a tool used to help present what Plato is talking about.

[IMBUED]

No, nature, and the body, only see shadows, in comparison to what nature really is :P

[rjm127]

Manufactured universals have been existence since the dawn of man. Humans have always been, in some form of another, alienated into believing a specific doctrine through the application of various methods. Religion is the ancient comparison to television. We can blame tv all day long, but ultimately it is the responsibility of the individual to escape his or her prison, free men can help the prisoner, but the onus is always on the individual in question

[flavour54]

Too true

[rjm127]

That's a first for me :) Someone who agrees with me on YouTube

[flavour54]

That's pretty insightful thinking but. If you're not actually joking, I'm quite suprised.

[rjm127]

I can assure you those are my views. Why would that surprise you?

[flavour54]

It would suprise me that people don't agree with you, I do.

[sagoorbest]

so u are sayin religion is not good it doesnt help u to attain enlightenment?

[flavour54]

I think religion is something invented by the unseen hand to control us and keep us well behaved.

Love is allways the key.

I've heard of people going to war for God or Allah.

I've never heard of a single person going to war in the name of love.

[pricelesspam]

How about when men kill people who they love that are cheating on them?

[DarthHuru]

that's not really love then, but an illusion... shadow of love on the cave wall

[pricelesspam]

There are different forms of love agape love is unconditional love,what do you think love is?Do you think love is totally impersonal and unselfish,and does not engage your ownself with it .

[DarthHuru]

yes

[pricelesspam]

Well i do notbelieve that. I think love is a bonding tool to bring union and oneness.

[girlphriend]

thats about ownership and not love. my father tried to kill my mom because she wanted to leave him (she didnt cheat). it wasnt because he loved her. he was obbsessed with OWNING her. Adultary is actually a PROPERTY crime.

[miehver]

Atleast you are on the right track...

Peace y friend!

[pricelesspam]

When you truly love you seek closeness,and connection to the one you love,not indifference.Love brings unity not anonimity.If you truly love correctly ,you will not seek destruction of that potential bond by destroying any hopes of it.

[pricelesspam]

Actually people fight wars because of the love they feel for things usually the love of their freedom,or the love of their family,people only usually go to war over things they care deeply about.

[roach408]

you both are right.

[pricelesspam]

I agree ,love has different degrees of care.

[blahblah6565]

actually wars are mostly fough on national or religous pride if we would all would step back and realize that we are all inhabitants of the same world there wouldnt be such stupid remarks as proud to be an american which has lead so many countries to hate us

[pricelesspam]

Wars are fought because people are greedy and want what each other has also.Power ,control,dominance.There are alot of reasons.Men want to protect there families.men do not generally get along to well for very long,one allways seeks power and dominance over the other.

[IMBUED]

it would be fairer to say pride, and ignorance is the problem, not a belief system. if religon was abolished, people would be fighting over other things. people even fight over sports, politics, etc. at thier root its pride and ignorance.

its usually the people that fight that know least of what they fight for.

[miehver]

Peace brother!

[ali12147]

@flavour54

People do crazy things for love, as for your example it is 'love' of God which causes people to die for his cause. The same could be said for any other ideology, such as communism etc, people killed millions of others due to their love of non-religous ideologies. Western capitalist democracy is the current example of how people will kill to impose their ideals on others.

[TheMethadoneParty]

@flavour54 what about Helen of Troy?

[carlawon]

@flavour54 what do you mean they are going to war for god? so you are saying that because people go to war for god, that god is bad? That is like saying all blacks are bad because some rob and steal.. just because ignorant people do things and claim it is in the name of god .. doesnt mean that its true.. they could be under the deception of the devil doing things in the name of god to keep the non believers, non believer!

[carlawon]

@carlawon god is not telling people to kill in his name.. jesus never said to kill in his name. and saying.. oh well for get all religion because its just too confusing is the easy way out..

[lFlash4]

@flavour54 you've never heard of anybody going to war in the name of love??? You have somehow managed to dodge the most frequent cliche which is has a place in almost every story. Good going genius, and to your 11 thumbs up. LOL silly sheeple

[Ledvolta]

Such an incredibly profound interpretation reality.

[TheMethadoneParty]

simply brilliant!