Hidden Roots Of Aikido - TAKEDA SOKAKU

[naumutroi]

"hidden roots" ??? it is not hidden that GM Ueshiba was a skilled top student of GM Takeda. Nor is it any secret that his early teachings of Aikido resembled GM Takeda's Aikijujitsu up untill after WW2 when GM Ueshiba became more deeply involved in his religous beliefs and spiritual awakening. GM Takeda was indeed a great master.

[MrDontstareitsrude]

aikido is the art of falling on the floor LOL

[bknyblazedout]

Shizen Ryu in the mother fucking house

[jluistl]

What is the name of this music? it´s great :)

[Dojocho]

Ueshiba was a student of Takeda but there relationship soured...most of aikido was altered daitoryu techniques..ueshiba was in omoto kyo which was a pacifistic cult..takeda was a right wing supporter...ueshiba avoided takeda in later years for many reasons...one was ueshiba taught techniques and never mentioned he learned them from Takeda..according to Hisa san who studied from both.

[pacosaidso]

Rick rolled again, but with shit music this time.

[passingcloud01]

interestingly enough I got linked to this video from another one titled 'hidden roots of aikido- eagle claw'. I read somewhere in a book called shaolin chin na that there is evidence that the japanese arts originated from china and shaolin chin na being a much more ancient art, if you look at the moves they are very very similar

[aramesimonian]

Takeda was creat aikijujutsu and not Aikido. Aikido createn by Uisheba

[HapkidoGuy1983]

@ anhk jiujitsu is NOT a generic term for grappling. Aikijiujitsu was a grandfather martial art, encompassing various styles of combat, from striking to grappling, standing or grounded. Jiujitsu is a specific style that branched off from that, developed for use against armored opponents. I.e., the military version of aiki. Nihon Jiujitsu is the oldest dating jiujitsu style. I've been doing martial arts for twenty yrs, I dont need to look it up on the web.

[HapkidoGuy1983]

@ anhk i studied judo for several years guy. While there are a limited number of strikes, they are not allowed in randori and are not at all the focus of the art. And there are only a very small number of standing submissions, so few some schools dont even teach them. Judo is a sport form of jiujitsu.

[HapkidoGuy1983]

when jigoro invented judo, it was from jujitsu, not aikijujitsu...he took jiujutsu, removed all strikes, standing submissions, and any technique that required superior strength, leaving only ground fighting and leverage throws.

morehei invented aikido as a religion hidden in martial art. this is why he is referred to as O-sensei. it connotates the view of him as almost godlike, the father of a religion, not just martial art.

Aikijiujutsu >jiujutsu, aikido n hapkido

jiujutsu > judo

[roqShinobi]

@HapkidoGuy1983

You have a point. This is a giant chain. For example. What we know as "karate" came from the Shaolin temple. The first style of karate "Shorin Ryu" is the okinawan pronunciation of "Shaolin Liu" (Shaolin style).

As Aikido refers, it's ancestor is "Ti", which is the style used by samurai to fight without the katana. Ti would evolve into Aikido (As Taekeon evolved into Tae Kwon Do). just to name a few

[anhkhoinguyen]

1. Jujutsu is a generic term for unarmed grappling in Japan, its not a name of a style. So when you say it was from Jujutsu not Akijujutsu is sort of idiotic since Akijujutsu IS jujutsu. The only difference is Akijujutsu is a actual name of a style..

2.Judo did not removed the strikes as its still in Judo's offical Katas in Kodokan. There only removed in Randori(sparring)

3.Standing submissions are taught and ARE legal in JUDO, not many do it kuz its hard to apply. FACTs, no offense

[anhkhoinguyen]

@HapkidoGuy1983

If your going to comment on another style at least know what your talking about. You have the web use it, and thanks for spreading misinformation about Judo, it made my day I needed the laugh.

But you were correct in what you said about Aikido.

[HapkidoGuy1983]

All of you are wrong...

I am a 4th degree black belt in Hapkido, and had to learn much about both Aikijiujitsu and Aikido...

THIS IS THE REAL HISTORY BEHIND JUDO AIKIJIUT|\\JITSU AIKIDO AND HAPKIDO...

choi yong sul (a korean slave) and morihei ueshiba were taught by tokeda. he taught his family's style of aikijujitsu, not one he invented.

Choi invented hapkido, morehei aikido as a blend of spirituality and martial art. jigoro kano invented judo as a sport form of jujitsu

[chebf1231]

he did what a lot of great people I"ve read or video'ed about did. they saw something great and about to be lost and did something about it. because of him other great people did the same. there would be no aikido with him or probably even judo.

[KurtCobain198666]

what the hell are you on about? All i said is aijijujutsu isn't the hidden parentege of aikido, its a very well known fact, if you train in akido, where it came from. If you DON'T train in aikido, you won't care where it came from. Tell me how that's wrong? And aikijujutsu is far from lost, its still being taught to many people

[KurtCobain198666]

Jigoro Kano studied jujutsu and developed judo from there. Sokaku studied jujutsu and developed aikijujutsu from there. There paths never crossed, EVERYTHING from judo comes from, or is some moderation of jujutsu. It has nothing to do with aikijujutsu.

So it goes like this

Jujutsu> Judo Aikijujutsu >Aiki Budo> Aikido

Judo was founded in 1882, he had no need to study with Takeda. Kano did however study under Morieh Ueshiba for a short period.

[anhkhoinguyen]

@KurtCobain

Japanese tradition and the reputation Kano had he would never study even for the briefest of time with someone two decades younger then him, tink about it, he created JUDO his lifes work, at around the same time Ueshiba was freaking BORN. His work was done, and also by the time Ueshiba mastered Aikijutsu, Kano had retired due to old age. Time line and tradition dos not add up man.

What really happen was that ueshibas stuided JUDO briefly from Kano's student Kiyoichi Takagi in 1911.

[anhkhoinguyen]

Kano did not study under Ueshiba!

1.Kano developed Judo in 1880s and Ueshiba was born IN the 1880s...they werent even from the same generation! Why would he study from a kid?

2.Ueshiba was barely 40 when he got his teaching liscence in Jujutsu....in 1920 and begin teaching in 1930...Kano died in 1938 at 77... Ueshiba was barely awarded his teaching certficate and you trying tell us a 70 year old Kano went to train with the kid? he retired from old age by the time ueshiba started TRAINING..

[Deke101]

@anhkhoinguyen You are correct. Kano did not study under Ueshiba. He visited Ueshiba's dojo in the '30s and was impressed by what he saw. He was known to have said, "This is the true Judo." He sent several of his top students to train with Ueshiba. Many of them switched over and some of them practiced both Judo and Aikido.

[anhkhoinguyen]

@KurtCobain198666

" Kano did however study under Morieh Ueshiba for a short period. "

That line just irks the fuck out of me, why do people like you bs on history just to sound smart?

Judo-1880s

aikido-1920

Time line doesnt match up there were decades apart in age kurt....and show us one source to prove your information? other wise back up your claims or stop spreading false info, while trying correct others...makes you look like a bad liar lol

[ByronVortex]

Takeda is yet another example of the martial arts nearing the Tao and missing by a mile ... a highly skilled , bitter and twisted individual who was merely a conduit for the Ryu to allow it to be picked up by better men...Ueshiba and Moses Powell and others.

[KurtCobain198666]

Tao is a chinese ideal, Takeda was japanese. So if you're going to knock his lifes work, cateogrise it properly.

[ByronVortex]

kurt cobain is correct as to my throwaway comments(poor discipline) concerning a man of high skill.However, would we wish his life?Why do we strive for life expression thro the martial way, is it simply killing full stop???Anyway ,I digress, As to the Tao...not enough space

[KurtCobain198666]

I don't see how its the 'hidden roots' Anyone who trains in aikido will eventually read up on it, if they didnt before hand. So i'm sure all of them knows about aikijujutsu. Anyone who DOESN'T train in aikido, wont care about its parentage. I dn't see how daito ryu is hidden

[chebf1231]

what did you do in life?

you making negative comments about people who's shoe strings you can't even tie.

get a life then make a comment about great peoople who you're probably jocken.

[RoninTaijutsu]

indeed. Much would have been lost in antiquity were it not for Takeda Sokaku Sensei.

[rlcx]

impresionante como carga a tota en oniyamarashi o0!!!!! wow

[Afsos85]

Beautiful Video

We Need To Give More Respect To Takeda Sensei Because He Was A Great Master And It Is People Like Him That Made The Martial Arts What They Are Today. He Is Truly One Of The Last Masters Left From The Samurai Era. Much Respect To Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu And Takeda Sensei.

[yusufu3357]

la tradition reste la tradition et garde toute sa beautée sa splendeur dans toute sa pratique de l'arts

[chebf1231]

your comments were good. without the forefather there would have been nothing to talk about.

[cochisestronghold]

We should still honor them for all of knowlege

that they passed down.

[newaza2boddha]

1:55 those two are chinese soldiers right? japanese doesnt fight with shield....

[wheyez]

possibly mongolian

[newaza2boddha]

some of the picture u show aren't sokaku right?

One with the fan looks like Takeda Shingen. and the one in yukata with the dog looks like that guy from Satsuma... forgot his name....

[artrauco]

i dont wont to be rude, but the statue in 00:33 is Kusunoki Masashige...general of godaigo emperor...no sokaku takeda!!!!!!

The statue is in the gardens near of imperial palace in tokio (i was there).

Greetings!!!!

[lucasinsane]

So good!

And I liked the songs!

[maruhabu]

to say that the essence of real budo isn't about peace love and harmony is closed minded and ignorant. people forget the reason why war exists. people get caught up in fantasy, especially todays generation. they like to see blood and gore and violence. if they had real experiences they would not feel that way unless they are foolhearty. the point of conflict is to preserve peace. not cause destruction and pain for no reason. its about self defense not to be offensive. get some wisdom PLEASE!!!

[KurtCobain198666]

@maruhabu the point of conflict is to preserve peace

so true, we have to fight to obtain peace, never in history have we been able to just 'ask' for it

Si vis pacem, para bellum - If you want peace, prepare for war.

[maruhabu]

the interesting thing is at first xenmachine said that ueshiba couldnt read or write. THEN orelenok says that he wasnt educated but wasnt and he used hiragana alot? either he wasnt or he was either he could or couldnt write. Takeda couldnt read period!!!!!!

[maruhabu]

reading any reliable source of ueshiba sensei. in his youth he was sickly the only son of five children. instead of going outside he would read books. i dont know what people are thinking these days? i am not saying that ueshiba was the most intelligent person in the world. he was a genius. and compared to Takeda Ueshiba sensei was the more educated. all Takeda knew was Daito Ryu and he was the best at it in his time. ueshiba came from upper middle class ueshiba & gave takeda one of his houses.

[maruhabu]

xenmachine just responded to my comment saying that ueshiba could't read or write regardless of what people say. I dont know who he thinks he is fooling? if anyone knows anything about the two masters in question it is clear that ueshiba sensei was very well educated and Takeda was not. how else can you explain all that impressive calligraphy from o sensei if he couldnt read? get bent xenmachine!!! if you honestly believe that ueshiba couldnt read or write than you obviously dont belong here!!!

[orelenok]

Maruhabu, you should really face the fact that O'sensei wasn't very well educated! He was indeed educated, but used to use hiragana a lot. It was not until later that he strated using kanji. He didn't stop educating himself, ever. And this is what's iportant.

xenmachine's point of view is very common among other martial art practicioners, and it does have a point. However, i wouldn't necessarily completely believe in it.

[orelenok]

And yeah, way of love... Talk to Yamada-sensei, Tamura-sensei, or Chiba-sensei, they'll tell you a lot about it. Heh, harmony.

[jackalwillis]

Traditional jujitsu, the first forms are the most dangerous

[maruhabu]

to say that Takeda sensei was a better Aiki man than Ueshiba sensei would be incorrect. Takeda was a man who loved violence and death. Ueshiba sensei was a man of peace. Takeda brought so much violence to his own life that he couldn't even step inside his house without his son coming outside to let him know it was safe. he hardly ate food for fear it would be poisoned and was haunted by nightmares of the men he had slain. aiki is about spiritual harmony and love. Ueshiba perfectly embodied that.

[MUSICJOCIC]

???

[emdog2564]

you are correct, yet you must know where aikido came from. what bore it. the place wence it came

[xenmachines]

Love and harmony? Um no, I don't think so. Ueshiba (regardless of what many say), admitted that he could not read and write and always confused "ai" (unity) for "ai" (love). They are two VERY distinctly different kanji with very different meanings. "Aiki" does NOT mean "love and harmony" but rather "united energy". The samurai employed "aiki" and were anything but loving or peaceful. They were mercenaries that killed for their occupation. Aikidoka should seek the truth of their art.

[hexaa87]

"daito is always effective".. I think its really up to the person who applyes it. Aikido is also effective if the person is.

[thor7600]

Ueshiba spent 7 years with Takeda, learning at his feet. Takeda created "o-sensei". Modern aikido is not combat effective under most instructers. Daito is always effective. Thats why he changed the name of what he taught. He did not want Takeda saying "thats not Daito, THIS is Daito". In the end, Daito is real and effective, much of modern aiki is not, Ueshiba was good, even great, but he would be just another rag doll to Takeda, who had no problem actually killing and breaking people.

[Aur0rah]

you cant say one art is better then the other.. the person who is applying is the one who can determine what is what.

[thor7600]

Takeda ended some lives, broke a whole lot of arms and did a lot of damege, getting away with out any real injury. Ueshiba dominated his students, not real people in real combat. Takeda was the best Aiki man ever, and we can see what he indirectly gave birth to thru his students, aikido and hapkido. But Daito is still better and more complete than either system.

[thor7600]

Takeda is recorded as having stated that "Ueshiba did not finish the system". Ueshiba was good, even great, and we see the results of seven years with Takeda. But he was NO WHERE NEAR AS GOOD as Takeda, who actually killed people who were trying to hurt him. He once faced off with about 30 men (construction workers, not his students) and many were armed with knives and hammers.

[thor7600]

Nice. Too many people forget about Daito and Takeda, the mother style of all aiki and its last true master, who was so good he could beat a dozen "O-Sensei'S" (Ueshiba bowed to Takeda and called him master, and was never certified to teach Daito).

[whitt088]

Ueshiba received his kyoju dairi certificate, or teaching license, for the system from Takeda in 1922. Takeda had not yet implemented a menkyo license, or highest level of achievement license, into his system at this time. He also received a Shinkage-ryū sword transmission scroll from Takeda in 1922 in Ayabe. Ueshiba then became a representative of Daitō-ryū, toured with Takeda as a teaching assistant and taught the system to others under the Daitō-ryū name.[1]

[ironfisteagleclaw]

All my respect to Takeda Sokaku. This is a great post my friend.