@kobefan244 dude stop being a cunt, if u dont give a shit bout this comment then leave it alone, fuck off dipshit. Look at ur fucking user kobefan244, get a life dayum bitch smd
Okay. Something strange is going on. Why is it that almost every video I click, no matter what type of content it is, there's the "Worst Nipple Piercing" video on the right side. I think YT and VFVideoz are in some type of partnership.
mj had a dunk named after him like fuckin, how can you really do a compareson... not that im saying kobe has no chance but mj is in a whole diffrent leauge because of the year's of expereince...
I like Kobe's response, but he really doesn't have his own style. The dude's play on the court is completely from MJ. Even the celebrations he does at the end of games. Gotta love Kobe's passon for the game, but he's a copycat...plain and simple.
@heels4lifx stfu, mj is the last person i would hear that kobe copy. who the fuk could copy wat mj did?, kobe's moves arent new but you cant say he is copying som1
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Lemme guess...U think kobe, the same guy who wasn't even the best player on his own team during his 1st 4 finals, and who's been OUTPERFORMED by a teammate in 5 finals now, is though huh?
@blackadam06 makes me laugh how you laugh at youngsta's for being morons when you can't even get your words right...or should i say write...? come on genius. you must have spell check or sum'n wright? this is also the guy who is responsible for bringing USA back to the world level of comp in the 08 olympics...when bronze was sposed to lift us up and dropped the ball who decided the outcome of the gold medal game? Kobe
It makes me laugh when idiots like U try to question someone's intelligence without having a base perspective on the language.
1st of all dumb ass, me using the letter "u" in place of the word is called using "phonetics", or don't they still teach that in school to dummies like yourself?
Phonetics is the foundation to pronouncing EVERY word in the english language, or didn't your ignorant ass realize that?
@blackadam06 now you cannot 'right' out a full word for the lack of trying. to me that just means that your a lazy bum who either a. doesn't know how to type, or b. spell checks everything he can on google, or c. is too pathetic to know what he is doing in real life so he throws out all his aggression out on people he doesn't know anything about to make his own ego feel better for what he lacks in real life, which can be a lack of a real life.
stop picking on kids and find a job to enjoy, knob
Hey moron, there's a limited amount of characters we're allowed in these messages, so me using the phonetic variation of a word is just my way of circumventing that.
Deal with it!
"stop picking on kids and find a job"
Kid or not, if you're bold enough to talk sh*t to someone, then don't try to use age or your screen to hide behind when U get called out.
And I'm self employed so I don't "need" to do anything moron..
And I think I can speak for all of us who weren't talkin' to U when I say, go watch the damn video & stop reading comments that aren't even addressed to U.
Michael Jordan: rated the best athlete of all sports all countries in the 20th century. No contest. In a league of his own which Kobe is not. Dwade won a championship with an older shaq. that's all I need to know.
Oy how bout everyone shut the fuck up and enjoy greatness. Eras cannot clash and no one will ever know who is better exactly. Going off statistics won't work either cuz eras have higher difficulties and let's face it, Jordan's era after his first championship were soft teams. 2011 finals is probably the hardest fought finals in a long time, and as for shaq he got away with alot of shit his 3 championships in LA, he would't have won without kobe. No great player can go it alone anyways
"Our rules are [designed] to [allow] players to [penetrate] for [high percentage] shots. This has [allowed] for [more] [high] quality [perimeter] shots as well, because of how much [easier] it is to penetrate [today]."
-- Stu Jackson, VP of NBA Basketball Operations; "Stu Jackson Presents", NBA . com May 3, 2007
And your lil dumb ass is on here trying to talk about MJ's era was soft?!!!
1990-98: 38 teams won AT LEAST 50 games & 18 teams won at least 60.
2000-09: only 28 teams won 50 games & 12 teams won 60.
Only 64 teams in HISTORY allowed FEWER than 101 pts per 100 possessions. 1993-04 had 48 teams do it, meaning 7 of those seasons are from the 90s ALONE!
This era's had MORE 20 win & sub .500 teams than any era in the HISTORY of the league, so WTF are U talkin' about?
Dummies like U are WHY people can't stand your ignorant, wack ass generation..SMH
@claybon Ok, let me break this down for you. I'll try to be as clear as possible. You said in your 1st response to my post: "you're stupid to say that kobe is much more talented than jordan.." See the word "much" in YOUR post?? The word, "much", is not in my initial post, therefore, you misquoted me as a I said! I even CAPITALIZED the word "MUCH" to make it easy for you to see what I was disagreeing about in your response and you still didn't get it?? But you call me stupid and a moron????
Of course the Lakers went through Shaq in those 3 finals, he had a total mis-match at his position each time ! He wasn't going against Hakeem, Ewing, ...etc., he was playing against soft Rik Smits, old Mutumbo and who ever New Jersey's no name center was! Of course he was MVP. The best teams the Lakers faced was on the way to those finals... Spurs, Trailblazers...and Kobe was killin them!
Jordan Jockers need their head examined. While your looking at MJ's scoring titles also look at all his FIELD GOAL ATTEMPTS PER GAME "titles"... 9, as in more than any other, player ever! Look at MJ not having to share the ball with a dominant big man, look at MJ not winning a ring until the best teams/players got old (Lakers/Celtics, Magic/Bird). Shaq was not better than Kobe , he was bigger and was playing against weak centers in those 1st 3 finals( Rik Smits, ...etc.)
@DotEqualP Ok. I pretty much knew what you meant but needed you to state it to be sure, so I could respond. In general it does matter because it's a team sport. Because a player shoots a high% doesn't necessarily mean he should take a certain amount of shots. MJ's 1st coach said MJ not letting go of the ball was the biggest obstacle to them winning. Also, most fans of MJ misinterpret his fg% and think it means he's a better shooter than Kobe, but he's not, Kobe's better, especially from range
@DotEqualP The reason MJ has a higher fg% than Kobe is because Kobe is more of a 3pt shooter than MJ was (Kobe has shot more than twice the 3pt'ers MJ did),it's more of a weapon for Kobe. And 3pt% figures into your overall fg%. MJ actually sucked at 3pt shooting.
"The reason MJ has a higher fg% than Kobe is because Kobe is more of a 3pt shooter"
Who's fault is that?
What idiot GREATLY RELIES on a shot that's the LOWEST % shot in the game, and is BARELY a 40% shot for the game's GREATEST shooters, especially when his ass BARELY shoots 34% from there himself?!!
A shot jacker that's who!
That's called BAD SHOT SELECTION whenever U get through makin' all of these childish, retarded fan-boy excuses...SMH
@blackadam06 Truth: Both Kobe and MJ shot 35% or more 5 times (rounding Kobe's 34.7% season to 35%). However, 3 of those seasons for MJ was when the NBA moved the line closer! (94.95,96), you know, the sissy 3pt line) Way to leave that out (probably didn't know). Kobe had the advantage of that line only as a wide eyed rookie, where he shot 37.5% on 136 shots. What would he have done as a vet (like MJ was) at that time? Sorry but MJ's 3pt numbers are skewed by that closer line.
@blackadam06 9 years before the line was moved MJ shot less than 20% 4 times, less than 30% 2 times, 31% once, and had 2 good years from 3pt range at 37.6% and 35.2%. An average of those 9 years has him shooting less than 25% from 3pt land. The 3 years after the line was moved back out to the original distance he again shot less than 30% (23.8%,19% and 29.1%).Basically MJ sucked from the 3pt line as I said.
One's # of attempts are what GREATLY influences their %. MJ wasn't even taking that many during his low% 3pt seasons! The guy who shoots 5 3ptrs a game is going to have a much higher 3pt% than someone with the same ability avgn only 1 attempt a game.
B4 age 31 and his 1st retirement, MJ hit 24-57 ( 42%) in 3ptrs during his 1st 3 finals. Kobe in his last 3 Finals has hit 33-100 (33%).
Yes he made 9 more, but he's also MISSED 43 MORE!
Again, the # of attempts is what's made the difference!
@blackadam06 As far as explaining Kobe's finals 3pt % I'll have to question your 28% average for him first? I have him shooting in his 7 finals from the 3pt line ..20%, 33%, 55%,17%, 32%, 36%, 32%. It's late and I'm bad at math but I have him around 32% as an average, I may be wrong, really, so I'll ask you to double check your number, then I can explain it to you if you like.
Bird had 5 seasons where he took LESS than 100 3pt shots, and in EVERY LAST 1 of 'em, he shot BELOW 30% in 3ptrs.
Again, one's # of attempts GREATLY influences their %.
Players from MJ 's era didn't consistently take a lot of 'em like players today because they had BETTER shot selection & didn't over rely on it, considering it's the WORST % shot in the game & is BARELY a 40% shot for the game's GREATEST shooters.
@blackadam06 Yeah, # of attempts makes a difference. Bottom line is 3 of MJ's highest 3pt fg%'s (50% (only 32 attempts, btw), 42.7% and 37.4%) came during the 3 years the line was closer, I'm certainly not going to compare that to guys shooting further out. Subtract those years and MJ's shooting about 28% in 3pt'ers.
@blackadam06 You can say if MJ shot more during those bad yrs he would have shot better, maybe, maybe not. I'm certainly not going to assume that it's true because it's true of great shooters like Bird and others. Truth is MJ didn't shoot enough 3pters to even be included in the top 50 3pt shooters in history (which Kobe is on a couple of lists I checked).
@blackadam06 Jordan didn’t shoot less from from 3pt range because he had “better shot selection” He shot less 3’s because 1) He sucked at it, and knew it wasn’t his strength. 2) He didn’t have a dominant big man taking up the middle for much of his career so drives to the basket were more available to MJ. 3) He didn’t have to play against/shoot over a zone D as much as Kobe.
"He didn’t have to play against/shoot over a zone D as much as Kobe"
Lemme continue to bust up your weak ass, uninformed argument
“Last season, Jordan had to [overcome] the harassment of [zone traps] and [double and triple teaming] to win the scoring title by averaging 37.1 points a game”
– Sam Goldpaper: “Challenges for Jordan: New League Rule and New Role”; NY Times, Nov 4, 1987
Hey lets see what Phil Jackson says about how he thinks Seattle will defend MJ in the '96 finals:
"I don't think Seattle is going to put Gary Payton on Michael Jordan much. We like that matchup because he'll get in foul trouble. In a [zone defense] like Seattle [plays], they're just going to [double-team] him [all] the time."
-- Phil Jackson: "NBA Finals Notebook; Jackson Can't Picture The Nets in His Future"; by Mike Wise, June 4, 1996
@blackadam06 So maybe it's more accurate for me to say MJ was "deficient" (as opposed to sucking) at 3pt shooting. You say better/smarter shot selection, I say yeah, because he wasn't good at it.
What U say is DUMB because it's illogical and CLEARLY leans on he side of fanatical fan-boyism.
Again, if MJ "wasn't that good" at 3pt shooting, then what's that say about kobe who's ONLY manged mediocre 2% edge in career 3pt% over him (and only in the reg season at that), while having MORE career attempts & misses than him?
@blackadam06 As far as defense today and in MJ's day. I just don't have time to properly discuss it here but the alleged tough defense MJ faced has been over stated. MJ didn't just face great defensive teams his whole career, there were bad defensive teams in his day too. Earlly in his career he was roughed up but when he really got established you could barely touch the guy without a whistle.
And U wanna talk about what MJ faced on the defensive end?
Only 64 teams in HISTORY have allowed FEWER than 101 pts per 100 possessions. 1993-04 saw 48 teams do this, so that means 7 of those seasons are from the 90s ALONE!
All U kobe homers do is deny..deny..deny...and come up with the most ABSURD excuses that can EASILY be refuted with verifiable facts & evidence..SMH
@blackadam06 You would think in MJ's best offensive games he would be getting knocked around at some point to slow his offensive onslaught. I challenge anyone to review these games and tell me about all this tough D he faced. Goggle "Century Mark? MJ’s Top 10 Scoring Games" What I see is him barely touched at all. The only hand checking I see is what MJ himself was doing.
"The [elimination] of the [hand check] has been a [boon to scoring], especially to players such as [Bryant]. Since defenders [aren't allowed] to [impede his progress] with the hand check, opponents have [often] found themselves at [his mercy]."
-- Steve Kerr: "Next up, 100? Strategies, rule changes make it a possibility"; by David DuPree, USA TODAY, Jan 24, 2006
Even with the advantage of the new rules, he STILL can't consistently put up the kinda #s MJ did so what's that tell ya?
@blackadam06 Lastly, MJ and Kobe played in different era's, under different rules, with different teammates, with different coaching philosophies, against different competition...etc There is NO fair way to properly compare them. Talent is the closest we can get to a comparison, for me Kobe is more talented. Doesn't mean he will achieve more. That's it for me, some of you are too childish and immature to discuss this without insults, no longer going to indulge that.
Dr. J and MJ's career overlap too, but I wouldn't say they played in the same "Era", would you?
"He played his 1st 8 yrs under the SAME rules MJ played his ENTIRE career under so again, save the excuses."
So when Kobe went off (when asked by P. J) in Feb 2003 for 9 straight games of 40+pts ( two 50+) he was doing it under the "SAME" rules as MJ? I thought most MJ fans say Kobe couldn't ball like that under those rules?
@blackadam06 "He played his 1st 8 yrs under the SAME rules MJ played his ENTIRE career under so again, save the excuses."
Aren't you dudes the ones saying Kobe plays under different rules, favorable to today's players? So when did these different rules start? Are you sure they played under the "exact" same rules ?? Don't think so.
"Aren't you dudes the ones saying Kobe plays under different rules favorable to today's players?"
He has for the last 6 yrs..
"So when did these different rules start?"
'05...the fact that you're asking this question just SHOWS your ignorance on the matter..SMH
"Are you sure they played under the "exact" same rules ?"
SMH...wow
If the new rules began in '05 dummy, so that means that he played his 1st 8 seasons under the SAME RULES MJ played his ENTIRE career under U f*ckin' idiot!
”05...the fact that you're asking this question just SHOWS your ignorance on the matter..SMH”
Uhh, “2001-02- Illegal Defense removed. Defensive three second rule added.”
MJ’s career, 84-03. Jordan plays a full 11 (not counting his 7 and 17 gm yrs) seasons under a DIFFERENT major rule than Kobe. And don’t even try to include Kobe’s 1st 2 yrs in this.
“If the new rules began in '05 dummy”… (they didn’t dummy!)
"SMH..kobe played in the triangle offense longer than MJ did, so what are U talkin' about?!!"
MJ played his first few years under a different coaching philosophy (non-triangle), when PJ arrived they played the triangle, but are you saying there were no differences between the way it was played with MJ/Pippen...etc (guard oriented) and Shaq/Kobe (center oriented)? Surely you are not saying that. That's what "I'm talkin' about"
1st of all, having a dominant post player made running the triangle BETTER & EASIER than having a dominant perimeter player who slid into the post to perform that duty, as Phil so eloquently points out in his book "The Last Season: A Team In Search Of Its Soul" on p.94.
I suggest U go read it & get some perspective kid, because U desperately need it trying to discuss this topic..
”1st of all, having a dominant post player made running the triangle,…… bla, bla, bla…”
Never said the triangle was harder with a dominant big man! I indicated there are “differences” between the Bulls/Lakers triangle, you agree with me by saying it was “easier”. But Kobe’s role was different than MJ’s in the triangle, even PJ said so. Main point is Kobe and MJ’s careers have enough differences that make it impossible to fairly compare them (true for most great players).
I’m done. People are right, We need to stop talking to you about this. You’re the worst Jordan Jocker I’ve heard. The one who “knows he’s right”, posts some crap followed by an insult, believing there can’t possibly be a response to his “great knowledge and wisdom”. Your’e just like your god Michael Jordan , the most selfish, mean spirited, ego-maniac to ever play the game. Advice: Have head surgically removed from MJ's back side! Peace
U were done the minute U opened your mouth with your baseless rhetoric on this subject..
"We need to stop talking to you about this"
Because U can't tell me anything I don't already KNOW (and can PROVE) on this subject.
When U can actually post something that's of relevance and can be substantiated, then I'll take U serious, until then, stick to being the uninformed, ignorant kiddie fan-boy I KNOW U to be.
"Then WHERE are the consistently BETTER on-court results from his alleged superior talent to PROVE it?
GTFOH...SMH"
I believe Kobe is more talented than MJ or has more pure B'ball skill. You disagree, and think I'm an idiot for saying it...but you also must think this guy is an idiot to.
Interviewer: Do you agree that Kobe has better basketball skills than MJ?
Guest: "He does....." The guest is Phil Jackson. ("Phil Jackson compares Jordan and Kobe (2008)" youtube
"It's one thing to [hope to be] like him, it's another thing to [be] like him. [I'm] with ESPN's Bill Simmons on this, we have to [take] Michael out of the equation. [Stop] comparing [anyone] to Michael Jordan. It's just [not fair]. Kobe [doesn't even shoot] the same [percentage] as Michael. He's [not] the same player."
-- Phil Jackson: "Kobe Bryant not in Michael Jordan's company"; sportingnews . com, Mar 14, 2011
Phil's the same guy that got put on blast by 1 of his own players for saying that Horace Grant was a better rebounder than Charles Oakley, yet Grant doesn't have 1 season with a better rebs avg or total.
Just because he said it doesn't make it a true statement!
He merely gave an analysis and last time I checked, fans (especially the informed ones) have a right to do the same if for nothing else, to see if he makes any damn sense at all.
How the hell's it possible for 1 guy to allegedly be SO MUCH MORE skilled & talented at something than the next guy, if he consistently fairs WORSE at it than him?
How?!!
Do U hear how IDIOTIC that sounds?!!
And given the fact that he's now played under rules that the league admits are designed to FAVOR guys like himself, yet STILL can't consistently put up equal or better #s, just REINFORCES my position on the matter LOL!!
MJ basically put up kobe's career #s at 39-40 yrs old LOL!!
"I wouldn't compare them," said Jackson, who coached both. "I think Kobe's as good as Michael."….Phil Jackson, L.A.Times “The Kobe Rules: A unique code for a unique player”, Mark Heisler April 27, 2011
I see ur PJ comment and raise you one, homeboy! (plus he answered "yes" to "is Kobe more skilled", my initial point)
"You'd root for a guy to have a big game, maybe a 30 or 40 point game, but to see this guy (MJ) do it [every single night], that's what stood out the most to me of [any] player I've [ever] seen"
/watch?v=j38do-TsFjQ&feature=related <--- Phil Jackson @ 1:50
To claim he's more skilled & talented than MJ means that he consistently fairs better & consistently produces better on-court RESULTS, so why isn't this true for him in relation to MJ, especially since he now plays under EASIER rules?
How is it that the alleged more talented & skilled player (kobe), consistently produces INFERIOR on-court results at virtually EVERY FACET of the game, especially in the playoffs & finals where it MATTERS most?
I mean how utterly ridiculous is that?!!
U ignorant kobe fanboys are just arrogant enough to think that your opinion of a player's ability is what defines it, but not their on-court production, which is literally the consistent RESULT of the very skill & talent in question..SMH
@blackadam06 It's late, so I'll have to respond to your other posts about 2pt conversions...etc another time. BTW, some of you Jordan Jockers are very rude and quick to call people idiot, stupid, moron, ignorant...etc. But it's cool, the worst I'll say is "Jordan Jocker" or something like that, usually with a smile , but I think it;s an apt description of some of those on the MJ bandwagon without proper research and facts. but I won't call anyone stupid or the like, because I don't know you.
"some of you Jordan Jockers are very rude and quick to call people idiot"
This coming from a moron who says that MJ "sucked" at it, while REFUSING to acknowledge the fact that kobe ONLY shoots 2-tenths better than him from out there, despite having MORE attempts & misses..SMH
This is WHY dummies like U get called a moron, ignorant, stupid.
Your logic makes NO SENSE at all..
By your own damn definition, if he sucks at it, what's that say about kobe?!!
@DotEqualP What bothers me is fans praise MJ for his scoring titles, but never mention his fga's. You can't talk about scoring without talking about shot attempts. MJ only scored more than Kobe because MJ had the "green light" from day one and he didn't have to share the ball/shots with a dominant big man. Kobe's actually a better scorer than MJ (yeah I said it!).Some of those years when MJ was getting scoring titles he was playing selfish ball. 10 scoring titles, 9 time leader in fga's hmmm.
MJ MADE his 10,000th career shot in only 841 games and by his 857th game, he'd only taken 20,000 career FG attempts.
Kobe's ALREADY taken OVER 10,000 FG attempts (and counting) and has also played OVER 1,035 games (and counting), and his ass STILL hasn't made 10,000 career shots, and won't do so until sometime around next year or 2013!
Please STFU kid, because U sound like a goddamn idiot!
Kobe can't even consistently lead the league in scoring, or score as many ppg as MJ on the same amount of pts. Kobe's just an in efficient, shot jackin' volume shooter/scorer....he's just a 6'6 A.I.!!
"Some of those years when MJ was getting scoring titles he was playing selfish ball"
Oh really?
Guess who LED CHI in apg those seasons? Kinda' hard to be selfish if you're the main guy getting everyone else the ball U moron!
@antav9 The year (94-95) MJ shot 50% from 3pt range was the year he played only 17 games and took only 32 3pt’ers! That’s not enough attempts to get a good reading on accuracy when your comparing it to a guy (kobe) who’s minimum attempts is 101! Let's look at MJ's other minimum attempt seasons, 9 of 52 (17%), 3 of 18 (17%), 12 of 66 (18%), 7 of 53 (13%), 10 of 53 (19%)
@antav9 hey, dont forget, kobe shot a lot more crazy shots than jordan, there's no question about that. so when you say field goal attempts, what mike took were better shots than kobe did. so overall, i tink michael was a better scorer because of how he scored. he took smart shots, he was playing more on basketball IQ. Kobe didnt do tt until the later part of his career. when he won his first title, tt was when he figured it out. so i daresay kobe is not exactly a better scorer.
They kill me with their ridiculous claims about him in regards to MJ, and honestly think that if they just ignore the facts & just keep insisting that they're right, that this will change the REALITY of the situation..SMH
If kobe were the scorer MJ was, it would consistently show up in his seasonal offensive production, yet it NEVER does.
Kobe's fans ALWAYS cherry pick out his greatest offensive "games" to use as their argument, as if that represents the whole season..SMH
@DotEqualP No doubt that Kobe has taken a lot of crazy shots. At times, while watching Laker games, I found myself saying "no, wait, don't shoot..." MJ forced up a lot of shots early on and took criticism for it. Yes, he shot a higher fg%, I just think there are other reasons beyond "MJ was smarter, had a higher B'ball IQ...etc"
In Michael Jordan standards Kobe is not clutch. Jordan brings a new definition of clutch.
look at all his scoring titles. now look at kobe. Look at his 5 mvps. Now look at kobe. Look at his 6 finals mvp. Now look at kobe. Look at scottie pippen. Now look at shaq (who was better than Kobe.)
You can have your Kobe vs Lebron but Jordan over Kobe. What's scarier is that Jordan didn't have Kobe, Wade or Lebron to compete against.
if kobe wins 2 more rings, he will be GOAT. He didn't do it like mike did, two 3 peats, 6 time finals MVP, but rings talk and once he gets that 7th it will just solidify his GOAT status.
@claybon First of all I didn't say Kobe is MUCH more talented than Jordan. Since you called me "stupid", at least quote me correctly please. 2nd, Kobe led his team to 3 finals appearances in a row and 2 rings after having his "own team" for only 4 years.....but you still say "that's the kind of talent Kobe lacks" ??
@theraVen27 Jordan isn't around today. Its a different time. And Jordan would need his cast of B.J Amstrongs, Scottie Pippens, Dennis Rodmans, Horace Grants or someone else to debase Kobe's stance. The reason Kobe is Kobe is his 5 rings. LeBron is LeBron because he is ring-less. If & when LeBron wins championships then "some" of the sensible debaters will quiet down.
@TheDJIdris ,how many rings exactly did kobe won without shaq or pao,when his center is kris mihm and kwame????every great player needs a great back up!make it 6 for MJ and scottie and 5 for kobe wit shaq or pau!
@frankjfy12 Are you telling me Shaq, arguably the greatest and most dominant big man of the last 30 years was support? He was winning the MVPs during those runs. If anybody was Pippen, Kobe was during those 3 years. Although in all likelihood they were closer in skill, but Shaq was the man then. The team ran through him in that Triangle Offense. People forget Hack-a-Shaq quickly.
@TheDJIdris,youknow what i dnt get you.on ur 1st comment ur saying that kobe's better than mj.then now ur telling me that kobe was shaq's bitch during that 3peat.i dont get it...are you a pro or anti kobe?and what's the point of ur arguement????
Kobe Bryant is probably the closest thing to Michael Jordan we will ever see both in terms of performance and preparation. They are both cut from the same cloth.
Jordan is hands down better than Kobe
eatmydickslut 13 hours ago
lebron traveled
skyk1dd 2 days ago
Where is the part where he called him GOAT?
zZJKProductionZz 2 days ago
AHH shut up kobe just afraid to admit that he sucks
MMDIGTAL 2 days ago
Kobe Bryant sux dick
dippinsumcopestraigt 5 days ago
Kobe's my favorite player all time but Jordans the greatest of all time, nuff said from a die hard laker fan.
lil502balla 1 week ago
KOBE BEAN BRAYNT!!!!!
The8310353 1 week ago
GOAT = GREATEST OF ALL TIME
mRcKrazYcKiD 1 week ago 2
that right there...is a little something called RESPECT
eggsdabomb 1 week ago
I am not a fan of jordan, but he's indeed the greatest
MultiBlackjack24 1 week ago
oh is it..then u r a PIG !!
mssac7 1 week ago
wut do u mean hes a goat? explain?
Thinker916 2 weeks ago
@Thinker916 He means Greatest Of All Time
G.O.A.T
biggeneLA 2 weeks ago 4
i dont like him, hes fake and selfish
HjallisY2k 2 weeks ago
@HjallisY2k
Are really talking about Kobe?
You do know he leads his team in the assist category for the past about decade?
prodiggy13 1 week ago
Kobe and Michael, nuff said
TheBGWolfpac 2 weeks ago
he is a damn good player but to be honest he is just a bitch!
fordpride101 3 weeks ago
my cousins always called me that, nd i never knew what the hell it was until this video
otisahmed 1 month ago
@otisahmed dude your so cool!
kobefan244 3 weeks ago
@kobefan244 dude stop being a cunt, if u dont give a shit bout this comment then leave it alone, fuck off dipshit. Look at ur fucking user kobefan244, get a life dayum bitch smd
otisahmed 3 weeks ago
you damn fucking right hes the GOAT kobe and you better respect it you hotel worker raping bitch!
MYASSYRIANPRIDE773 1 month ago
@MYASSYRIANPRIDE773 lol
salarmander27 1 month ago
@MYASSYRIANPRIDE773 shut the hell up
habenerow9 4 weeks ago
jordan is goat in 2 ways= Greates Of All Time
and chews chewing gum like an actual goat
letzgerger 1 month ago 12
GOAT=Greatest Of All Time
tearhereplease 1 month ago 2
THANK YOU!
Valkyrie7 1 month ago
Okay. Something strange is going on. Why is it that almost every video I click, no matter what type of content it is, there's the "Worst Nipple Piercing" video on the right side. I think YT and VFVideoz are in some type of partnership.
IslandZone78 1 month ago
Greatest
Of
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liltunechi4eva 1 month ago
stephen a smith sounds like a major douchebag anytime he is talking except when it's with an NBA player like Kobe. basically a dickrider..
jmoneyosh 1 month ago
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JL333x 1 month ago
WTF da hell is nipple piercing related to Kobe ?!?!?!
iHaveAGimangoPenis 1 month ago 5
greatist of all time not the freaking animal lol
hellsrider7 1 month ago
mj had a dunk named after him like fuckin, how can you really do a compareson... not that im saying kobe has no chance but mj is in a whole diffrent leauge because of the year's of expereince...
PriDeLocDown 1 month ago
I like Kobe's response, but he really doesn't have his own style. The dude's play on the court is completely from MJ. Even the celebrations he does at the end of games. Gotta love Kobe's passon for the game, but he's a copycat...plain and simple.
heels4lifx 2 months ago 2
@heels4lifx stfu, mj is the last person i would hear that kobe copy. who the fuk could copy wat mj did?, kobe's moves arent new but you cant say he is copying som1
JZjaden 2 months ago
@JZjaden of course you can. his style is so similar to MJ's, it's creepy
pheeel17 1 month ago
I admit MJ is the best. But I really like kobe being a such a gentle man. He doesn't need to be compared to MJ all the time. He got his own style
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tiger1649 2 months ago
he so sexy in this interview <3 KB
diffrentbreed6685 2 months ago
LeBron is a goat.. and i don't mean the greatest of all time..
NikolaBlahBlahh 2 months ago
@NikolaBlahBlahh and you are an idiot
Skyrim1995 2 months ago
@NikolaBlahBlahh he's the best player in the league currently...
ThExLeGeNdxv2 2 months ago
@ThExLeGeNdxv2 LBJ?? AHAHAHAHAHAHA You are fucking hilarious
NikolaBlahBlahh 2 months ago
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@NikolaBlahBlahh he is. You're just made that you can't face the truth.
ThExLeGeNdxv2 2 months ago
LOL blackadam06 droppin BOMBS on people in the comments! Get 'em dog!
PurpleCanuck 2 months ago 3
wilt chamberlain is the goat
JetLifeBroo 2 months ago
no way mj is the GOAT
jamesmutabazi1 2 months ago
@jamesmutabazi1
Lemme guess...U think kobe, the same guy who wasn't even the best player on his own team during his 1st 4 finals, and who's been OUTPERFORMED by a teammate in 5 finals now, is though huh?
SMH..wow
Y2K kids = utter morons
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06 makes me laugh how you laugh at youngsta's for being morons when you can't even get your words right...or should i say write...? come on genius. you must have spell check or sum'n wright? this is also the guy who is responsible for bringing USA back to the world level of comp in the 08 olympics...when bronze was sposed to lift us up and dropped the ball who decided the outcome of the gold medal game? Kobe
josephmcconville91 2 months ago
@josephmcconville91
It makes me laugh when idiots like U try to question someone's intelligence without having a base perspective on the language.
1st of all dumb ass, me using the letter "u" in place of the word is called using "phonetics", or don't they still teach that in school to dummies like yourself?
Phonetics is the foundation to pronouncing EVERY word in the english language, or didn't your ignorant ass realize that?
Wouldn't surprise me if U didn't..SMH
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06 Kobe fans...smh
ThExLeGeNdxv2 2 months ago
@ThExLeGeNdxv2
I know right....they're such idiots..
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06 now you cannot 'right' out a full word for the lack of trying. to me that just means that your a lazy bum who either a. doesn't know how to type, or b. spell checks everything he can on google, or c. is too pathetic to know what he is doing in real life so he throws out all his aggression out on people he doesn't know anything about to make his own ego feel better for what he lacks in real life, which can be a lack of a real life.
stop picking on kids and find a job to enjoy, knob
josephmcconville91 1 month ago
@josephmcconville91
Hey moron, there's a limited amount of characters we're allowed in these messages, so me using the phonetic variation of a word is just my way of circumventing that.
Deal with it!
"stop picking on kids and find a job"
Kid or not, if you're bold enough to talk sh*t to someone, then don't try to use age or your screen to hide behind when U get called out.
And I'm self employed so I don't "need" to do anything moron..
blackadam06 1 month ago
@blackadam06 HAHA I LOVE THIS stop picking on kids and find a job HHAHAAHA you the man bro
pedja60 1 month ago
Nuf said.
likedamaster 2 months ago 35
i literally thought he was going to call him a goat
Almostblue27 2 months ago 132
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RCpineapple 2 months ago
@Almostblue27 me too lol
RobotPenguin12 2 months ago
@Almostblue27 same
flab4abs 2 weeks ago
@blackadam06 im a kobe fan but he cant compare to jordan
michael jordan is the best basketball player ever no questios asked :)
themrmedina72 2 months ago 3
It's the first time Kobe is ever right about something.
MrAwesomeBoston 2 months ago
lmao for some reason the abbreviation for greatest of all time always makes me crack up.
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blackdeck008 2 months ago
to the guys that are argueing in the 10 previous pages of comments, i think i speak for everyone here when i say "shut the hell up"
flpsyco03 2 months ago
@flpsyco03
And I think I can speak for all of us who weren't talkin' to U when I say, go watch the damn video & stop reading comments that aren't even addressed to U.
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06, hats off to you brother!
AirrJordann 2 months ago
i think kobe got angry because of his STUPID FANS comparing him to the GOAT, michael jordan!!!
TheAmazingJelly 2 months ago
You guys do know G.O.A.T stands for Greatest Of All Times
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tiger1649 2 months ago
GOAT's eat HAM
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who said anything about great
electrotech3000 2 months ago
Michael Jordan: rated the best athlete of all sports all countries in the 20th century. No contest. In a league of his own which Kobe is not. Dwade won a championship with an older shaq. that's all I need to know.
colossalko 3 months ago
Oy how bout everyone shut the fuck up and enjoy greatness. Eras cannot clash and no one will ever know who is better exactly. Going off statistics won't work either cuz eras have higher difficulties and let's face it, Jordan's era after his first championship were soft teams. 2011 finals is probably the hardest fought finals in a long time, and as for shaq he got away with alot of shit his 3 championships in LA, he would't have won without kobe. No great player can go it alone anyways
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antav9 2 months ago
@LaivonRuvie This man speaks the truth. There is no "Greatest" of all time.
antav9 2 months ago
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@LaivonRuvie
"Our rules are [designed] to [allow] players to [penetrate] for [high percentage] shots. This has [allowed] for [more] [high] quality [perimeter] shots as well, because of how much [easier] it is to penetrate [today]."
-- Stu Jackson, VP of NBA Basketball Operations; "Stu Jackson Presents", NBA . com May 3, 2007
And your lil dumb ass is on here trying to talk about MJ's era was soft?!!!
STFU U fuckin' idiot!!!
blackadam06 2 months ago
@LaivonRuvie
1990-98: 38 teams won AT LEAST 50 games & 18 teams won at least 60.
2000-09: only 28 teams won 50 games & 12 teams won 60.
Only 64 teams in HISTORY allowed FEWER than 101 pts per 100 possessions. 1993-04 had 48 teams do it, meaning 7 of those seasons are from the 90s ALONE!
This era's had MORE 20 win & sub .500 teams than any era in the HISTORY of the league, so WTF are U talkin' about?
Dummies like U are WHY people can't stand your ignorant, wack ass generation..SMH
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tiger1649 3 months ago
@antav9 yes you did mention that kobe is more talented than mj.. moron..
claybon 3 months ago
@claybon Ok, let me break this down for you. I'll try to be as clear as possible. You said in your 1st response to my post: "you're stupid to say that kobe is much more talented than jordan.." See the word "much" in YOUR post?? The word, "much", is not in my initial post, therefore, you misquoted me as a I said! I even CAPITALIZED the word "MUCH" to make it easy for you to see what I was disagreeing about in your response and you still didn't get it?? But you call me stupid and a moron????
antav9 2 months ago
Of course the Lakers went through Shaq in those 3 finals, he had a total mis-match at his position each time ! He wasn't going against Hakeem, Ewing, ...etc., he was playing against soft Rik Smits, old Mutumbo and who ever New Jersey's no name center was! Of course he was MVP. The best teams the Lakers faced was on the way to those finals... Spurs, Trailblazers...and Kobe was killin them!
antav9 3 months ago
Jordan Jockers need their head examined. While your looking at MJ's scoring titles also look at all his FIELD GOAL ATTEMPTS PER GAME "titles"... 9, as in more than any other, player ever! Look at MJ not having to share the ball with a dominant big man, look at MJ not winning a ring until the best teams/players got old (Lakers/Celtics, Magic/Bird). Shaq was not better than Kobe , he was bigger and was playing against weak centers in those 1st 3 finals( Rik Smits, ...etc.)
antav9 3 months ago
@antav9 while you are looking at his field goal attempts per game title, why not look at his FG pct? enuff said.
DotEqualP 3 months ago
@DotEqualP I know what Jordan's fg% is, what about it? Not "enuff said"
antav9 2 months ago
@antav9 you said jordan jockers should look at the field goal attempts. but does it really matter, if he makes a high pct of it? that's what i meant.
DotEqualP 2 months ago
@DotEqualP Ok. I pretty much knew what you meant but needed you to state it to be sure, so I could respond. In general it does matter because it's a team sport. Because a player shoots a high% doesn't necessarily mean he should take a certain amount of shots. MJ's 1st coach said MJ not letting go of the ball was the biggest obstacle to them winning. Also, most fans of MJ misinterpret his fg% and think it means he's a better shooter than Kobe, but he's not, Kobe's better, especially from range
antav9 2 months ago
@DotEqualP The reason MJ has a higher fg% than Kobe is because Kobe is more of a 3pt shooter than MJ was (Kobe has shot more than twice the 3pt'ers MJ did),it's more of a weapon for Kobe. And 3pt% figures into your overall fg%. MJ actually sucked at 3pt shooting.
antav9 2 months ago
@antav9
"The reason MJ has a higher fg% than Kobe is because Kobe is more of a 3pt shooter"
Who's fault is that?
What idiot GREATLY RELIES on a shot that's the LOWEST % shot in the game, and is BARELY a 40% shot for the game's GREATEST shooters, especially when his ass BARELY shoots 34% from there himself?!!
A shot jacker that's who!
That's called BAD SHOT SELECTION whenever U get through makin' all of these childish, retarded fan-boy excuses...SMH
blackadam06 2 months ago
@antav9
Just look at kobe's career 2pt conversion rate (shots inside the 3pt arc), which excludes his 3pt attempts. He still BARELY shoots a mediocre 46%!!
MJ shot 52% inside the arc for his career!
Again 2pt conversion EXCLUDES 3pt attempts, so U can't use that excuse.
His BEST season in 2pt conversions is 49%, which he did 3x.
MJ shot 50+% in 2pt conversion 9x with his BEST season being 55%, which he did 4x!
So how come kobe can't consistently shoot 50% INSIDE the 3pt arc if he so great?!!
blackadam06 2 months ago
@antav9
Career 3pt%: MJ 32% -- kobe 34%
Career playoff 3pt%: 33% -- kobe 33%
Career finals 3pt%: MJ 37% -- kobe 28%
Care to explain?
His 2% edge in career 3pt% is ONLY in the reg season!
MJ has AS MANY seasons as him shooting 35% in 3ptrs and MORE than him shooting over that!
MJ also has 4 seasons shooting ABOVE the league avg in 3pt%. Kobe only has 2!
So if MJ sucks at 3pt shooting, what's that say about the guy who takes MORE but only has a 2% edge?!!
antav9 = typical ignorant ass kobe homer
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06 Truth: Both Kobe and MJ shot 35% or more 5 times (rounding Kobe's 34.7% season to 35%). However, 3 of those seasons for MJ was when the NBA moved the line closer! (94.95,96), you know, the sissy 3pt line) Way to leave that out (probably didn't know). Kobe had the advantage of that line only as a wide eyed rookie, where he shot 37.5% on 136 shots. What would he have done as a vet (like MJ was) at that time? Sorry but MJ's 3pt numbers are skewed by that closer line.
antav9 2 months ago
@blackadam06 9 years before the line was moved MJ shot less than 20% 4 times, less than 30% 2 times, 31% once, and had 2 good years from 3pt range at 37.6% and 35.2%. An average of those 9 years has him shooting less than 25% from 3pt land. The 3 years after the line was moved back out to the original distance he again shot less than 30% (23.8%,19% and 29.1%).Basically MJ sucked from the 3pt line as I said.
antav9 2 months ago
@antav9
One's # of attempts are what GREATLY influences their %. MJ wasn't even taking that many during his low% 3pt seasons! The guy who shoots 5 3ptrs a game is going to have a much higher 3pt% than someone with the same ability avgn only 1 attempt a game.
B4 age 31 and his 1st retirement, MJ hit 24-57 ( 42%) in 3ptrs during his 1st 3 finals. Kobe in his last 3 Finals has hit 33-100 (33%).
Yes he made 9 more, but he's also MISSED 43 MORE!
Again, the # of attempts is what's made the difference!
blackadam06 2 months ago
@antav9
MJ's 1st 5 yrs from the 3pt line: 20.2% on 0.83 3pt attempts per game
MJ's next 5 yrs from the 3pt line: 35% on 2.06 3pt attempts per game
See the difference?!!
MJ from 1984-85: 52 3pt attempts = 17.3%
MJ from 1989-90: 245 3pt attempts = 37.6%.
Total: 101-297 = 34%
Again....do U see what actually happens when he decided to start shooting a lot of em?
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06 As far as explaining Kobe's finals 3pt % I'll have to question your 28% average for him first? I have him shooting in his 7 finals from the 3pt line ..20%, 33%, 55%,17%, 32%, 36%, 32%. It's late and I'm bad at math but I have him around 32% as an average, I may be wrong, really, so I'll ask you to double check your number, then I can explain it to you if you like.
antav9 2 months ago
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@antav9
I can show the SAME trend with Magic & Bird
Magic
age 27 = 1.1 3pt attempts (31%)
age 28 = 0.8 3pt attempts (19%)
age 29 = 2.4 3pt attempts (31%)
age 30 = 3.5 3pt attempts (38%)
So did he also improve so much just to get worse?! Or do the attempts have SOMETHING to do with it?
blackadam06 2 months ago
@antav9
Bird in yrs avgn:
1 or less 3pt attempts: 25%
1 or more 3pt attempts: 40%
Bird had 5 seasons where he took LESS than 100 3pt shots, and in EVERY LAST 1 of 'em, he shot BELOW 30% in 3ptrs.
Again, one's # of attempts GREATLY influences their %.
Players from MJ 's era didn't consistently take a lot of 'em like players today because they had BETTER shot selection & didn't over rely on it, considering it's the WORST % shot in the game & is BARELY a 40% shot for the game's GREATEST shooters.
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06 Yeah, # of attempts makes a difference. Bottom line is 3 of MJ's highest 3pt fg%'s (50% (only 32 attempts, btw), 42.7% and 37.4%) came during the 3 years the line was closer, I'm certainly not going to compare that to guys shooting further out. Subtract those years and MJ's shooting about 28% in 3pt'ers.
antav9 2 months ago
@blackadam06 You can say if MJ shot more during those bad yrs he would have shot better, maybe, maybe not. I'm certainly not going to assume that it's true because it's true of great shooters like Bird and others. Truth is MJ didn't shoot enough 3pters to even be included in the top 50 3pt shooters in history (which Kobe is on a couple of lists I checked).
antav9 2 months ago
@blackadam06 Jordan didn’t shoot less from from 3pt range because he had “better shot selection” He shot less 3’s because 1) He sucked at it, and knew it wasn’t his strength. 2) He didn’t have a dominant big man taking up the middle for much of his career so drives to the basket were more available to MJ. 3) He didn’t have to play against/shoot over a zone D as much as Kobe.
antav9 2 months ago
@antav9
"He didn’t have to play against/shoot over a zone D as much as Kobe"
Lemme continue to bust up your weak ass, uninformed argument
“Last season, Jordan had to [overcome] the harassment of [zone traps] and [double and triple teaming] to win the scoring title by averaging 37.1 points a game”
– Sam Goldpaper: “Challenges for Jordan: New League Rule and New Role”; NY Times, Nov 4, 1987
That excerpt ALONE kills your argument..
blackadam06 2 months ago
@antav9
"Perhaps the biggest confusion of all was the [tougher] illegal-defense rule to [combat zone defenses.]"
-- George Vecsey: "Sports Of Times: Combating Hand-checks The World Over"; NY Times, Nov 6, 1994
Hmm?
"Our teams are [zoning now]. Rule or [no rule] (illegal defense). We're not allowed to use the word `zone' but [it's a zone]"
-- Dick Motta: "A Twilight Zone: "The NBA has this rule about illegal defense"; Associated Press, 1996.
Why is Zone D being mentioned? Gee I wonder why? Hmm?
blackadam06 2 months ago
@antav9
Hey lets see what Phil Jackson says about how he thinks Seattle will defend MJ in the '96 finals:
"I don't think Seattle is going to put Gary Payton on Michael Jordan much. We like that matchup because he'll get in foul trouble. In a [zone defense] like Seattle [plays], they're just going to [double-team] him [all] the time."
-- Phil Jackson: "NBA Finals Notebook; Jackson Can't Picture The Nets in His Future"; by Mike Wise, June 4, 1996
But I thought U said MJ didn't face much zones?
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06 So maybe it's more accurate for me to say MJ was "deficient" (as opposed to sucking) at 3pt shooting. You say better/smarter shot selection, I say yeah, because he wasn't good at it.
antav9 2 months ago
@antav9
"I say yeah, because he wasn't good at it"
What U say is DUMB because it's illogical and CLEARLY leans on he side of fanatical fan-boyism.
Again, if MJ "wasn't that good" at 3pt shooting, then what's that say about kobe who's ONLY manged mediocre 2% edge in career 3pt% over him (and only in the reg season at that), while having MORE career attempts & misses than him?
I mean seriously kid, who are U trying to fool?
Do U hear how STUPID U sound?
SMH...
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06 As far as defense today and in MJ's day. I just don't have time to properly discuss it here but the alleged tough defense MJ faced has been over stated. MJ didn't just face great defensive teams his whole career, there were bad defensive teams in his day too. Earlly in his career he was roughed up but when he really got established you could barely touch the guy without a whistle.
antav9 2 months ago
@antav9
And U wanna talk about what MJ faced on the defensive end?
Only 64 teams in HISTORY have allowed FEWER than 101 pts per 100 possessions. 1993-04 saw 48 teams do this, so that means 7 of those seasons are from the 90s ALONE!
All U kobe homers do is deny..deny..deny...and come up with the most ABSURD excuses that can EASILY be refuted with verifiable facts & evidence..SMH
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06 You would think in MJ's best offensive games he would be getting knocked around at some point to slow his offensive onslaught. I challenge anyone to review these games and tell me about all this tough D he faced. Goggle "Century Mark? MJ’s Top 10 Scoring Games" What I see is him barely touched at all. The only hand checking I see is what MJ himself was doing.
antav9 2 months ago
@antav9
"The [elimination] of the [hand check] has been a [boon to scoring], especially to players such as [Bryant]. Since defenders [aren't allowed] to [impede his progress] with the hand check, opponents have [often] found themselves at [his mercy]."
-- Steve Kerr: "Next up, 100? Strategies, rule changes make it a possibility"; by David DuPree, USA TODAY, Jan 24, 2006
Even with the advantage of the new rules, he STILL can't consistently put up the kinda #s MJ did so what's that tell ya?
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06 Lastly, MJ and Kobe played in different era's, under different rules, with different teammates, with different coaching philosophies, against different competition...etc There is NO fair way to properly compare them. Talent is the closest we can get to a comparison, for me Kobe is more talented. Doesn't mean he will achieve more. That's it for me, some of you are too childish and immature to discuss this without insults, no longer going to indulge that.
antav9 2 months ago
@antav9
"MJ and Kobe played in different era's"
Their career overlap so save that excuse kid.
"under different rules"
He played his 1st 8 yrs under the SAME rules MJ played his ENTIRE career under so again, save the excuses.
"with different coaching philosophies"
SMH..kobe played in the triangle offense longer than MJ did, so what are U talkin' about?!!
"Kobe is more talented"
Then WHERE are the consistently BETTER on-court results from his alleged superior talent to PROVE it?
GTFOH...SMH
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06
"Their career overlap so save that excuse kid."
Dr. J and MJ's career overlap too, but I wouldn't say they played in the same "Era", would you?
"He played his 1st 8 yrs under the SAME rules MJ played his ENTIRE career under so again, save the excuses."
So when Kobe went off (when asked by P. J) in Feb 2003 for 9 straight games of 40+pts ( two 50+) he was doing it under the "SAME" rules as MJ? I thought most MJ fans say Kobe couldn't ball like that under those rules?
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@antav9
"So when Kobe went off (when asked by P. J) in Feb 2003 for 9 straight games of 40+pts ( two 50+) he was doing it under the "SAME" rules as MJ?"
Anyone can have a "streak"...try doing it for HALF a season like MJ did in '87.
That's the difference...that's ALWAYS the difference between the 2. MJ does it more consistently (and efficiently too I might add).
"I thought most MJ fans say Kobe couldn't ball like that under those rules?"
Not consistently and his track record PROVES it..
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06 "He played his 1st 8 yrs under the SAME rules MJ played his ENTIRE career under so again, save the excuses."
Aren't you dudes the ones saying Kobe plays under different rules, favorable to today's players? So when did these different rules start? Are you sure they played under the "exact" same rules ?? Don't think so.
antav9 2 months ago
@antav9
"Aren't you dudes the ones saying Kobe plays under different rules favorable to today's players?"
He has for the last 6 yrs..
"So when did these different rules start?"
'05...the fact that you're asking this question just SHOWS your ignorance on the matter..SMH
"Are you sure they played under the "exact" same rules ?"
SMH...wow
If the new rules began in '05 dummy, so that means that he played his 1st 8 seasons under the SAME RULES MJ played his ENTIRE career under U f*ckin' idiot!
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06
"So when did these different rules start?"
”05...the fact that you're asking this question just SHOWS your ignorance on the matter..SMH”
Uhh, “2001-02- Illegal Defense removed. Defensive three second rule added.”
MJ’s career, 84-03. Jordan plays a full 11 (not counting his 7 and 17 gm yrs) seasons under a DIFFERENT major rule than Kobe. And don’t even try to include Kobe’s 1st 2 yrs in this.
“If the new rules began in '05 dummy”… (they didn’t dummy!)
antav9 2 months ago
@antav9
1st of all dumb ass, all of these new rules were "experimented" with in '01, but "legalized" in '05.
Like I said, U need to go do some damn homework B4 trying to talk about something U OBVIOUSLY know NOTHING about...SMH
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06
"SMH..kobe played in the triangle offense longer than MJ did, so what are U talkin' about?!!"
MJ played his first few years under a different coaching philosophy (non-triangle), when PJ arrived they played the triangle, but are you saying there were no differences between the way it was played with MJ/Pippen...etc (guard oriented) and Shaq/Kobe (center oriented)? Surely you are not saying that. That's what "I'm talkin' about"
antav9 2 months ago
@antav9
1st of all, having a dominant post player made running the triangle BETTER & EASIER than having a dominant perimeter player who slid into the post to perform that duty, as Phil so eloquently points out in his book "The Last Season: A Team In Search Of Its Soul" on p.94.
I suggest U go read it & get some perspective kid, because U desperately need it trying to discuss this topic..
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06
”1st of all, having a dominant post player made running the triangle,…… bla, bla, bla…”
Never said the triangle was harder with a dominant big man! I indicated there are “differences” between the Bulls/Lakers triangle, you agree with me by saying it was “easier”. But Kobe’s role was different than MJ’s in the triangle, even PJ said so. Main point is Kobe and MJ’s careers have enough differences that make it impossible to fairly compare them (true for most great players).
antav9 2 months ago
@antav9
"Kobe and MJ’s careers have enough differences that make it impossible to fairly compare them"
Bullshit...
They're both the same height, play(ed) the same position, in the same offense for a MORE than comparable # of yrs, so miss me with that excuse kid..
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06 fag
8MunchenBayern8 2 months ago
@8MunchenBayern8
Bitch-made
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06
I’m done. People are right, We need to stop talking to you about this. You’re the worst Jordan Jocker I’ve heard. The one who “knows he’s right”, posts some crap followed by an insult, believing there can’t possibly be a response to his “great knowledge and wisdom”. Your’e just like your god Michael Jordan , the most selfish, mean spirited, ego-maniac to ever play the game. Advice: Have head surgically removed from MJ's back side! Peace
antav9 2 months ago
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blackadam06 2 months ago
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@antav9"I’m done"
U were done the minute U opened your mouth with your baseless rhetoric on this subject..
"We need to stop talking to you about this"
Because U can't tell me anything I don't already KNOW (and can PROVE) on this subject.
When U can actually post something that's of relevance and can be substantiated, then I'll take U serious, until then, stick to being the uninformed, ignorant kiddie fan-boy I KNOW U to be.
I've dealt with your type B4...
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06
"Then WHERE are the consistently BETTER on-court results from his alleged superior talent to PROVE it?
GTFOH...SMH"
I believe Kobe is more talented than MJ or has more pure B'ball skill. You disagree, and think I'm an idiot for saying it...but you also must think this guy is an idiot to.
Interviewer: Do you agree that Kobe has better basketball skills than MJ?
Guest: "He does....." The guest is Phil Jackson. ("Phil Jackson compares Jordan and Kobe (2008)" youtube
antav9 2 months ago
@antav9
"It's one thing to [hope to be] like him, it's another thing to [be] like him. [I'm] with ESPN's Bill Simmons on this, we have to [take] Michael out of the equation. [Stop] comparing [anyone] to Michael Jordan. It's just [not fair]. Kobe [doesn't even shoot] the same [percentage] as Michael. He's [not] the same player."
-- Phil Jackson: "Kobe Bryant not in Michael Jordan's company"; sportingnews . com, Mar 14, 2011
So goes your Phil Jackson angle...
blackadam06 2 months ago
@antav9
Phil's the same guy that got put on blast by 1 of his own players for saying that Horace Grant was a better rebounder than Charles Oakley, yet Grant doesn't have 1 season with a better rebs avg or total.
Just because he said it doesn't make it a true statement!
He merely gave an analysis and last time I checked, fans (especially the informed ones) have a right to do the same if for nothing else, to see if he makes any damn sense at all.
blackadam06 2 months ago
@antav9
As a fan U SHOULD be weighing his sentiments against the FACTS & reality of the situation to see if it holds any merit whatsoever.
But U kobe fans don't. U just take his comments as a matter of fact because it's along the lines of what U want to be-LIE-ve about him...SMH
Even the greatest amongst us can say some of the most absurd, ignorant & senseless things from time to time, and this is CLEARLY 1 of them.
blackadam06 2 months ago
@antav9
How the hell's it possible for 1 guy to allegedly be SO MUCH MORE skilled & talented at something than the next guy, if he consistently fairs WORSE at it than him?
How?!!
Do U hear how IDIOTIC that sounds?!!
And given the fact that he's now played under rules that the league admits are designed to FAVOR guys like himself, yet STILL can't consistently put up equal or better #s, just REINFORCES my position on the matter LOL!!
MJ basically put up kobe's career #s at 39-40 yrs old LOL!!
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06
"I wouldn't compare them," said Jackson, who coached both. "I think Kobe's as good as Michael."….Phil Jackson, L.A.Times “The Kobe Rules: A unique code for a unique player”, Mark Heisler April 27, 2011
I see ur PJ comment and raise you one, homeboy! (plus he answered "yes" to "is Kobe more skilled", my initial point)
antav9 2 months ago
@antav9
"You'd root for a guy to have a big game, maybe a 30 or 40 point game, but to see this guy (MJ) do it [every single night], that's what stood out the most to me of [any] player I've [ever] seen"
/watch?v=j38do-TsFjQ&feature=related <--- Phil Jackson @ 1:50
To claim he's more skilled & talented than MJ means that he consistently fairs better & consistently produces better on-court RESULTS, so why isn't this true for him in relation to MJ, especially since he now plays under EASIER rules?
blackadam06 2 months ago
@antav9
How is it that the alleged more talented & skilled player (kobe), consistently produces INFERIOR on-court results at virtually EVERY FACET of the game, especially in the playoffs & finals where it MATTERS most?
I mean how utterly ridiculous is that?!!
U ignorant kobe fanboys are just arrogant enough to think that your opinion of a player's ability is what defines it, but not their on-court production, which is literally the consistent RESULT of the very skill & talent in question..SMH
blackadam06 2 months ago
@blackadam06 It's late, so I'll have to respond to your other posts about 2pt conversions...etc another time. BTW, some of you Jordan Jockers are very rude and quick to call people idiot, stupid, moron, ignorant...etc. But it's cool, the worst I'll say is "Jordan Jocker" or something like that, usually with a smile , but I think it;s an apt description of some of those on the MJ bandwagon without proper research and facts. but I won't call anyone stupid or the like, because I don't know you.
antav9 2 months ago
@antav9
"some of you Jordan Jockers are very rude and quick to call people idiot"
This coming from a moron who says that MJ "sucked" at it, while REFUSING to acknowledge the fact that kobe ONLY shoots 2-tenths better than him from out there, despite having MORE attempts & misses..SMH
This is WHY dummies like U get called a moron, ignorant, stupid.
Your logic makes NO SENSE at all..
By your own damn definition, if he sucks at it, what's that say about kobe?!!
blackadam06 2 months ago
@DotEqualP What bothers me is fans praise MJ for his scoring titles, but never mention his fga's. You can't talk about scoring without talking about shot attempts. MJ only scored more than Kobe because MJ had the "green light" from day one and he didn't have to share the ball/shots with a dominant big man. Kobe's actually a better scorer than MJ (yeah I said it!).Some of those years when MJ was getting scoring titles he was playing selfish ball. 10 scoring titles, 9 time leader in fga's hmmm.
antav9 2 months ago
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@antav9
U wanna talk about FG attempts?
MJ MADE his 10,000th career shot in only 841 games and by his 857th game, he'd only taken 20,000 career FG attempts.
Kobe's ALREADY taken OVER 10,000 FG attempts (and counting) and has also played OVER 1,035 games (and counting), and his ass STILL hasn't made 10,000 career shots, and won't do so until sometime around next year or 2013!
Please STFU kid, because U sound like a goddamn idiot!
blackadam06 2 months ago
@antav9
"Kobe's actually a better scorer than MJ"
Where's the evidence?
Kobe can't even consistently lead the league in scoring, or score as many ppg as MJ on the same amount of pts. Kobe's just an in efficient, shot jackin' volume shooter/scorer....he's just a 6'6 A.I.!!
"Some of those years when MJ was getting scoring titles he was playing selfish ball"
Oh really?
Guess who LED CHI in apg those seasons? Kinda' hard to be selfish if you're the main guy getting everyone else the ball U moron!
blackadam06 2 months ago
@antav9 The year (94-95) MJ shot 50% from 3pt range was the year he played only 17 games and took only 32 3pt’ers! That’s not enough attempts to get a good reading on accuracy when your comparing it to a guy (kobe) who’s minimum attempts is 101! Let's look at MJ's other minimum attempt seasons, 9 of 52 (17%), 3 of 18 (17%), 12 of 66 (18%), 7 of 53 (13%), 10 of 53 (19%)
antav9 2 months ago
@antav9 hey, dont forget, kobe shot a lot more crazy shots than jordan, there's no question about that. so when you say field goal attempts, what mike took were better shots than kobe did. so overall, i tink michael was a better scorer because of how he scored. he took smart shots, he was playing more on basketball IQ. Kobe didnt do tt until the later part of his career. when he won his first title, tt was when he figured it out. so i daresay kobe is not exactly a better scorer.
DotEqualP 2 months ago
@DotEqualP
Exactly!!!
They kill me with their ridiculous claims about him in regards to MJ, and honestly think that if they just ignore the facts & just keep insisting that they're right, that this will change the REALITY of the situation..SMH
If kobe were the scorer MJ was, it would consistently show up in his seasonal offensive production, yet it NEVER does.
Kobe's fans ALWAYS cherry pick out his greatest offensive "games" to use as their argument, as if that represents the whole season..SMH
blackadam06 2 months ago
@DotEqualP No doubt that Kobe has taken a lot of crazy shots. At times, while watching Laker games, I found myself saying "no, wait, don't shoot..." MJ forced up a lot of shots early on and took criticism for it. Yes, he shot a higher fg%, I just think there are other reasons beyond "MJ was smarter, had a higher B'ball IQ...etc"
antav9 2 months ago
hmmmm "talkin bout the greatest that ever played the game" he might be talkin bout himself?
achung2526 3 months ago
kobetards get your heads examined.
In Michael Jordan standards Kobe is not clutch. Jordan brings a new definition of clutch.
look at all his scoring titles. now look at kobe. Look at his 5 mvps. Now look at kobe. Look at his 6 finals mvp. Now look at kobe. Look at scottie pippen. Now look at shaq (who was better than Kobe.)
You can have your Kobe vs Lebron but Jordan over Kobe. What's scarier is that Jordan didn't have Kobe, Wade or Lebron to compete against.
colossalko 3 months ago
@colossalko that statement is just dumb.
THROCKSFULable 3 months ago
@THROCKSFULable Jordan had competition that was tougher than wade, and lebron. Learn your history you 14 year old.
THROCKSFULable 3 months ago
if kobe wins 2 more rings, he will be GOAT. He didn't do it like mike did, two 3 peats, 6 time finals MVP, but rings talk and once he gets that 7th it will just solidify his GOAT status.
christhehighguy 3 months ago
@christhehighguy Just like Robert Horry!
colossalko 3 months ago
you're stupid to say that kobe is much more talented than jordan.. jordan can lead his team well, that's the kind of talent kobe is lack of..
claybon 3 months ago
@claybon First of all I didn't say Kobe is MUCH more talented than Jordan. Since you called me "stupid", at least quote me correctly please. 2nd, Kobe led his team to 3 finals appearances in a row and 2 rings after having his "own team" for only 4 years.....but you still say "that's the kind of talent Kobe lacks" ??
antav9 3 months ago
Kobe is more talented than Michael Jordan.
antav9 3 months ago
@antav9 ...........hahahahahHAHAHAHAHA *gasp* ha *gasp* hahahaHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA *weez* *cough* ha ahhh. yea ok
TheMercDeadpool1 3 months ago
@TheMercDeadpool1 I know most of you Jordan worshippers view what I said as blasphemy, but, sorry, Kobe is/has been more "talented" than Jordan was.
antav9 3 months ago
@antav9 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO he isnt
TheLukicho 3 months ago
@TheLukicho Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees he is.
antav9 3 months ago
well duh!
if jordan and kobe came in together Jordan is still better.
They did play and Jordan packed kobe a lunch and took him to school every time!
If Jordan was around today Kobe would be LeBron. yeah he is great but he isn't the best
theraVen27 3 months ago
@theraVen27 Jordan isn't around today. Its a different time. And Jordan would need his cast of B.J Amstrongs, Scottie Pippens, Dennis Rodmans, Horace Grants or someone else to debase Kobe's stance. The reason Kobe is Kobe is his 5 rings. LeBron is LeBron because he is ring-less. If & when LeBron wins championships then "some" of the sensible debaters will quiet down.
TheDJIdris 3 months ago
@TheDJIdris ,how many rings exactly did kobe won without shaq or pao,when his center is kris mihm and kwame????every great player needs a great back up!make it 6 for MJ and scottie and 5 for kobe wit shaq or pau!
frankjfy12 3 months ago
@frankjfy12 Are you telling me Shaq, arguably the greatest and most dominant big man of the last 30 years was support? He was winning the MVPs during those runs. If anybody was Pippen, Kobe was during those 3 years. Although in all likelihood they were closer in skill, but Shaq was the man then. The team ran through him in that Triangle Offense. People forget Hack-a-Shaq quickly.
TheDJIdris 3 months ago
@TheDJIdris,youknow what i dnt get you.on ur 1st comment ur saying that kobe's better than mj.then now ur telling me that kobe was shaq's bitch during that 3peat.i dont get it...are you a pro or anti kobe?and what's the point of ur arguement????
frankjfy12 3 months ago
@theraVen27 Are you talking about when Jordan was a 12 year veteran and Kobe was a rookie? I agree with what you're saying, but that's not fair.
cdg0219 3 months ago
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SWATknife 3 months ago
Kobe Bryant is probably the closest thing to Michael Jordan we will ever see both in terms of performance and preparation. They are both cut from the same cloth.
sd0676 3 months ago
Kobe is fake. He said that magic is his favorite player.
electrotech3000 3 months ago
@electrotech3000 Favorite and Great aren't the same thing.
TheDJIdris 3 months ago
@TheDJIdris you are right
electrotech3000 2 months ago
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kobe HAS to say MJ is the greatest to show respect, if MJ were to play in this era of NBA, he would not have had the success Kobe has
chubbz1992ca 3 months ago
kobe HAS to say MJ is the greatest to show respect, if MJ were to play in this era of NBA, he would not have had the success Kobe has
chubbz1992ca 3 months ago
@chubbz1992ca HA