This may not resinate with people but here goes......Love is Satanic, Love is not the answer Enmity is the answer. We have been taught over the ages to love our enemies, well that is why our enemies are in power....cause we have been taught to love them. The NT is a Roman documant do not forget that.
ok so basically Zizek here adopts Nietzsche's Rejection of Eros position "Love of one is a barbarism; for it is exercised at the expense of all others. The love of God, too."
The sum of verbs, don't mean you are intelligent. The fact that you can explore an idea, doesn't mean is real, correct of true. Love is the human science in which we procreate, that is why he exist. Most of the population exist based on love, others in other facts, but this guy is just making himself reach, with the sum or verbs, were by the moves of his eyes, you can tell hi is just inventing and creating to obtain the approval of the fool, who know less of life and facts,
what he means by nothing is actually pure awareness. personal love is a form of expressed love that is not the same as universal, impersonal love. the latter is the nature of pure awareness, the former is consituting the human egoism which needs to be annihilated before one is able to understand ones own true inner nature, which is not different from pure awareness.
these are the teachings of jesus christ. many other wise people spoke in the same way yet jesus revelead the truth most deeply.
I'm sorry to say, Mr Zizek, you didn't understand love. You pick the things you like, however, your love is universal towards all that exits; hence like is quantitative but love is qualitative and depends on your perception, and your perception depends on your awareness, and awareness is achieved by reason, and reason is a creation of mind, and mind is from a source which I can't explain to you here. When will the West read the "Eastern Wisdom"?
@rezz110 Never. You know why? Because Eastern Wisdom is tied with the necessity of total self-abnegation, freedom from ALL desires, especially the consumerist, the fornicating and the desire of avarice,West RUNS on those very base, very vile desires, and if you are truly an Easterner you will most definitely starve (because in the East work is not essential) and be considered a freak (because in the East you are supposed to own nothing, not attend parties and live a meditative life
Human love is false love: an addiction that people just won't / can't let go of. You would think they'd be more inclined toward insight / knowledge of the universe, of existence, of life, but no - they want "love." Addiction laid bare isn't attractive, isn't seductive, isn't favorable. But when it is dressed up in fancy words and delusions, wouldn't you just die for it? I mean "love" is so beautiful isn't it? Can't you see it's work on this planet? People still using their drug of choice...
[...] Yet, I believe it is better to recognise love within an single subject/object than to never recognise it at all. I personally have discovered unconditional love for one other person. Having realised and experienced this wonder, I now know what it is I am looking for, only I now wish to meditate on this and expand this feeling to encompass everything/everyone in my conscious reality. See all as equals. To be equally concerened for the wellfare of all.
To single out any one thing or person as deserving of a special and particular kind of attention, affection and devotion, whilst denying the rest of the world/universe this 'love' is (imo) perhaps not the fault of the individual harbouring that 'love' to be ignorant of the larger world, but because their world view is too small to realise that they aught to extend this reverence from a lone subject/object to that of their entire conception of reality. That love could be shared with everything...
I think Zizek pretending that the whole world is "out there and stupid", without discussing his responsability towards it (a basic common thing in quantum physics nowadays is the understanding with a non-dual approach that we are probably creating reality ) shows precisely that Zizek is super arrogant ego self oriented and that his analysis could go much more further.
Evil does not exist and hate only exists because people believe in evil. Please stop calling and thinking of things that are bad as "evil". It doesn't exist. I really wish that this thought comes through to as many people as possible. I don't want to see more unnecessary hate and suffering in the world.
Firstly: Creation is not necessarily due to some tragic event disturbing "balanced Universal nothingness", it can as well be an act of consciousness, or better to say, a natural process of energy (forms of energy we know are perhaps not all the forms there are). Secondly: Love isn't evil per-se. Sure, love can be egoistical, but then, I’d not call that love... Also, if you love someone, it doesn't mean that you hate everyone else, or not love them, on the contrary, you love all more.
I can relate to what you said, but I didn't give up. I was thinking of the meaning and purpose alot, but don't give up, 3 months ago I started to know why we're here and my purpose, I started to have my "own theory". You gotta find yours and you will be happy. Good luck!
@hollygy I think the point he's making (through all the sluring) is that love is the beginning of preference and thus as a counter-point; the beginning of neglect and indifference. You cant cant give someone your love without simultaneously denying the same degree of love and attention to someone else. Unless youre on a saint or a sage, 'loving' usually comes down to hoarding a potentially (universal) resource.
@trakomako Oi, Deluded ? xD I'd be carefull with comments like that if i were you. Sounds like youre convinced your truth is the only truth.. + Having offspring is a weird goal on its own, because it doesnt really serve a purpose. Totally agree on the 'virus with feet' thing though xD
@trakomako Isnt it Just? I wake up every morning, amazed by how pretty everything is, and i wonder which genious was the architect... And if there really isnt one then.. well, life really has no meaning least we got to waste the time in a pretty place.
This is close to how Schopenhauer saw the world. He said that the world shouldn't exist, people say "life is a gift", how the hell is it a gift, when there's tremondous amounts of suffering especially among animals ? schopenhauer said that all this is a manifestation of the will, which is a blind, stupid force that simply exists and denying the will is the best thing one can do.
The interesting thing about people is that they have no problem continuing something that they don't understand. How many people actively search for truth rather than blindly follow religions and other belief systems put forth by authority figures? They reproduce instinctively, creating more separation out of "love" and then sit around imagining that one day we will live in unity and peace. Sometimes I wonder whether or not most of us are programmed machines with no will.
@thepostnihilist It is certain that most people aren't interested in "the truth", the truth sometimes isn't "practical" for them, they want to think that life is good, that "god' loves them and tend to underestimate the suffering of sentient creatures,but again,we are the product of evolution and evolution favors animals who survive and reproduce, and the fact that we exist is proof humans are good at reproducing,even if that means lying to ourselves and inventing inexistent meanings to life.
@TheBeardedThinker however, these inexistent meanings to life is basically turned into materialism in our capitalistic society, and perhaps people are suffering from it unknowingly because it creates an infinite amount of desire that could never be satisfied.
@sorisoru well that's certain, since we appeared on this planet we've been greedy, look at all the wars for land, power, possessions,recognition,inexistant gods... look at how ancient emperors tended to elevate their status by pretending to be gods or demi-gods...once you realize that life doesn't even need to exist, that all animals appeared pretty much by chance, the struggle for possessions, fame and domination starts to look pretty fucking absurd.
@RealBloppy he probably contends that love is evil in the sense that it siphons the mind from alternate possibilities. Inherent in love is some form of an opposite (hate) but more generally, indifference. Because to love is, by his definition a "through to the end," flaw, hate, based upon the same premise can summarily be characterized as such. Thus, when individuals act out of hate, that by my definition is evil. Selection is bad, categorization, worse; both derived from the adaptation of love.
@kj762aa I guess my confusion is based on how he's such a reductionist but yet confirms and claims an absolute evil. I don't get it. He seems to re-enforce the notion that there is nothing, yet he lives and rationalizes with absolutes like evil. There is no such thing as evil the second we reduce the world to nothingness/materialism.
If he means what he says, while being a supporter of matterialism, then he is arrogant. How can you claim to be indifferent of the creation when you are part of it? You feel, you think, you act as part of the creation. Hating it means hating yourself and everything else, except you believe in the existence of the soul. As for love, it doesn't necessarily mean possesion, exclusiveness and attachement. Love can also be unconditional to everything. Love can mean respect to the creation.
I can't form an opinion on this yet, I really can't. The beginning is all based on how one defines consciousness. And he seems like such an idealist, and yet.. I don't know, there's a contradiction there, I think? "There is nothing, and I mean that quite literally", and then he says "there are things out there".
I feel kind of pathetic not being able to process this, but I do feel there's a bit of a contradiction there, either on his side or mine. Anyway I have to agree this guy has integrity.
I cannot reconcile his notions with my perceptions in any way. This is either because he attempts to use his words in ways that change their meaning completely, or what he is saying is rubbish.
This man has honesty, humor, seriousness, care, respect, irony and intelligence in his speech and that is what we call "integrity" ; not at all like the constantly depressed looking, self-oriented, egoist, clever guy wannabes.
@inancyuce : I think Zizek pretending that the whole world is "out there and stupid", without discussing his responsability towards it (a basic common thing in quantum physics nowadays is the understanding with a non-dual approach that we are probably creating reality ) shows precisely that Zizek is super arrogant ego self oriented and that his analysis could go much more further. and he looks dark overexcited clever guy wanabee to me.
@montex23 Hasn't it ever occured to you that the world out there is a little bit stupid? At least in a solemn moment? Sincerity is because he says what he thinks at the moment, there is no truth or reality but sincerity that I see in his words..
It just depends on how you look at it. If you believe in a theistic creation, then no, things don't exist by mistake. But if you reject theism, and see that the universe arose simply by chance, that life came about by mutations and accidents, then yes, it can be said that it is all a mistake. There is no meaning, there is no purpose. Things simply exist because something went wrong and the balance of things was disturbed. Which is, I think, quite liberating.
@Abhorath I can not agree. Using the term mistake impies "something went wrong", and nothing can come wrong without the concept of how it should have gone like - but that concept is just in peoples minds, its not in the world itself. Things just happen in the world, they don't need a mental picture of what should happen - they just react. So calling life or anything for that matter a mistake is nonsensical. The term does not exist in that context.
@andersv20 why not? it's just as arbitrary to refer to the universe's existence as beautiful or wonderous. completely arbitrary, non quantifiable statements.
@southsydney Well, yes, a personal valuejudgment is an inherently non quantifiable quality, and anyone may say whatever they like as to how they perceive it, the same way no one can deny that you like chocolate, or that you are in pain whenever you claim to be. However one can’t say that chocolate IS either good or bad in it self. Our best try would be to address the aggregate of opinions in a sort of pole, however abstract and pointless the results;
@southsydney ;thus to say that the existence of the world is a catastrophe in this very universal sense would be empirically wrong, seeing as this is not the dominant valuejudgment and there being more liking than disliking towards it, i.e. being alive. He should ad a “to me” or “in my view” and stop advocating this pretentious objectivity in this very philosophically habitual way.
well no he's not saying it's some kind of arbitrary judgement, he's saying that things only come into existence through some kind of quantum disturbance. that makes no sense.
utter tripe. i can't believe people take this clown seriously. all he does is fidget and yell outrageous, contrary bullshit as if it's more profound by virtue of its absurdity.
what do you want me to say? this is gibberish, especially the bit about quantum physics. also he says he either hates the world or is indifferent, but it seems from his recent comment is free piece he merely hates immigrants.
Why do I read these comments? They make me so angry.
Please, all of you "let's discuss the nature of love" people: SHUT UP!
You will never agree. You're taking what he says completely out of context and you are completely missing the point of the statement he makes.
This is a short segment of a longer documentary about one of Europe's biggest contemporary thinkers. Discuss your bullshit life philosophies elsewhere.
So pessimistic. Who cares if existence is manifest by a "mistake" or "accident." Those notions are probably a very crude way of looking at the genesis of our universe. Whatever the reason or cause of existence, we ought to embrace our experience of it. All beauty, value, and morality comes from our existence and the knowledge of ourselves and the world. We shouldn't ignore these miraculous phenomena.
@southsydney How is it an accident? Do you believe there was an intended course of the universe besides this one? "Accident" or "mistake" implies intentionality. That would mean a god of sorts "made a mistake" somewhere down the line.
Besides, how can you devalue our experiences on the premise that their coming to existence was unlikely?
This guy is trying to get a rise out of you by making fantastical and emotionally charged claims.
Love is just something your body makes u do, it takes control of u. Its basically a bunch of hormones making you fall for the opposite (or even the same) gender.
There is no such thing as true love, cuz if there was, there wouldnt be no people cheating on each other. Love is another bullshit made up by human beings. I will never believe in true love, nor will anyone love me back (however, love such as a parent loving their child is real). Love doesnt conquer anything
@DeSPoTNemanjaS though thats true, it just means theyre more mature than the others who cheat. Then again, being mature is also something ur body makes u do
@AZNmanJJ You're pretty ignorant. "Love is just something your body makes u do, it takes control of u. Its basically a bunch of hormones making you fall for the opposite (or even the same) gender." One of the most ignorant statements I've heard. What you described there is sexual desire, not love. two different things. You use the excuse 'your body makes you do something' a few times..like we dont have free will to choose our actions?
@AZNmanJJ And people who will never know what love is? If you have never experienced love before, it's your own fault. I've seen people with down syndrome in married with kids and completely in love with each other. if they can do it, anyone can.
@biggiea082 obviously your just another person who thinks theyre in "love"
really, there is no magical thing in "love", its just a bunch of hormones making you love
Down syndrome? how do you know theyre "in love"? Love as in they care for each other? yes, love as in I want to spend the rest of my life with you, or you love? bullshit -_-'
indeed that put a light on the sentence in the bible that says- you shouldn't love someone (son/daughter/wife/...) more than God- because it's a perversion. It means you exclude the rest, make a distinction between your brothers and sisters, in one word you are UNFAIR.
This seems like a very Buddhist point of view to me. What he is calling "love" is what Buddhists would call "Attachment," one of the main causes of Suffering.
@MithrasAtDusk If he means attachment and disire, yes. On the other hand, Buddhism very much propagate for and encourages love and compassion, but it's better to love everyone than one person. But it's better to love one than none.
@MithrasAtDusk I think Zizek's defintion of love is more in the vein of metta. He never says love is directed towards an object of attachment. Instead love is something which "assumes the mistake and goes to the end." I fail to see what that attaches to. Not a flame, the guy is a great mind and it is exciting to have good conversation via youtube.
@MithrasAtDusk : here Zizek talks about a concept, namely the object-cause of desire, the structure of which is parallel to that of cause of ALL-Existence and THE Existence. it is the structure of creation 2. it is very different from the purely negative Buddhist love 3. it is also UNRELATED to, in (animal) psychology, the concept of ATTACHMENT which can be applied to animal behaviors. Zizek Society.
Erich Fromm had some good stuff on love in his "The Art of Love". He distinguishes different kinds of love. I think what Zizek is talking about is more "infatuation" than love, but infatuation is what consumerist society has made of erotic love. And quite possibly, that is a form of evil.
@bettysman i have been thinking about this a lot lately. when we date or try to meet women/ men or whatever we behave on the same drives as consumers and advertisers...
@kharnvelzyghur this isnt some lame poetry. poets can make whatever claim they want and leave it up to the reader to shape meaning. zizek cant afford to be sloppy like some douchebag poet
i think what he is saying, is that when you say you love someone/something, you are ignoring everything else and only loving a specific person/thing, your ignoring the ones around you. like hitler, he loved the blonde hair blue eyes, so he hated anything else. or a guy who loves his gf soo much, that he maybe becomes possesive or something. i dont know, i think the language barrier is making it hard to understand what he means.
If you love somebody more than anyone, you may not necessarily be evil. You may just have an aspect blindness. I would not call love to someone as evil aspect, but simply a human feeling, which at times may make you weak.
To get what he's saying, read Ayn Rand. He's elaborating on the conversation (here on You Tube) she had with Mike Wallace in the 50's, and what CS Lewis wrote in The Screwtape Letters, when the demon convinces the man that if he hysterically 'loves' all mankind wholesale, this is 'love', when it's actually non descript, impersonal, easy to do, and isn't love. Its akin to a bunch of kids on Ecstacy running around mouthing off about peace and love, and in doing so, really undermining loves reality
@FeelOfFriction hahaha THIS GUY ? ZIZEK IS ONE OF THE BIG GENIUSES IN THE ACTUAL WORLD, not because he was a super-human, indeed all of his work is very interesting and motivator for all the people who wants to think about our reallity
while this sounds like rambling post-modern bullshit (as is everything else of what little i've heard from zizek before), he does have a point about love and violence. most abusers, for instance, claim to love their victims. the europeans came to north america and 'civilized' (read: exterminated) the indigenous population. why did they do it? because they loved the indians, of course!
consider also that the same word (fuck) that means 'make love to' also means 'do great violence to'.
What a f-ing poseur. This is what late capitalism vomits up as an "intellectual". This is what happens when thinkers aren't held accountable by any community, by any action. Zizek is a provocateur, a worthless person farting. If you want him to fart at your university, contact his agent.
What a f-ing poseur. This is what late capitalism vomits up as an "intellectual". This is what happens when thinkers aren't held accountable by any community, by an action. Zizek is a provocateur, a worthless person farting. If you want him to fart at your school, contact his agent.
@wackobro He's much worse than a crackpot, he's the Glenn Beck of academia, a total distraction from the serious work we should be doing to change the world for the better.
I dont suspect most people here actually understand. He's not saying love is a 'bad' thing that we shouldn't do. He specifically says the 'only way to counteract' this meaningless random existance is 'to assume the mistake and go to the end' - love.
Love is evil in the sense that it's quite a destructive and irrational, inbalanced thing. But society, the way we percieve ourselves is also irrational. We need to revel in our own contradictory existance - that is to be human.
@fullfrontalfrank he's basically saying that everything should be treated the same. Love is the act of picking out a certain individual and valuing it highly over others. Instead of loving one, love all.
Neglect his delivery with his message because it sounds more negative than anything.
@albasuna I think you misunderstand Zizek. He is explicitly arguing that the popular idea of universal love as a general stance towards the entire world is evil because love only assumes meaning when it is particularly applied. A mother's love for her infant child is only precious because it is particular. She does not love the pedophile the same as her babe. Differentiation (or imbalance as Zizek puts it) between the object of affection and the rest of the world is the key.
Oh my god, the depth of this noodle's misunderstanding of quantum mechanics is such as to actually SUBTRACT from the amount of knowledge in the universe. Never mind that the analogy between that and anything else he says here is... well, to call it "bad" would still be too generous, implying as it does that there is any detectable analogy at all. How can people be calling this guy a "deep thinker"?!?
@tobyisatramp Actually, it is, in the broad sense of playing on/with words. I "love" Zižek, even though "love", to him, is evil. I'm pretty sure everyone here gets that. Also, @caffrey1911, dead on.
Love is a delusion. If everyone loved everyone, this would be a different world. If we were all loved for our faults, instead of our other qulaities, we would have a totally different perception of love. On top of that, Love has become almost a totally sexual thing, when it has almost nothing to do with sexuality. Sexual attraction is dependent on factors that will change, and probably not for the better. Search for the qualitites that will never change. Love is not evil, people are.
i was teached that love and hate are as of north and south they compliment each other as of being the extremities of the gregorian calendar. If i think about love. hmm all i wish to love i want to control- but words= is that not natural. I mean do words change meaning whenst they come into contact with one another? Respect the slave and the master.
folks may not want the truth, truth may not care what folks want, this has been the trend, twas a long time ago that the theory of relativity was experimentally verified, still most people either think they understand it, argue absurdly against it or ignore it altogether, even physicists who should know better.
This may not resinate with people but here goes......Love is Satanic, Love is not the answer Enmity is the answer. We have been taught over the ages to love our enemies, well that is why our enemies are in power....cause we have been taught to love them. The NT is a Roman documant do not forget that.
Onedar 2 weeks ago
Apollo440 used his audio in one of their songs
jmikegermany 1 month ago
ok so basically Zizek here adopts Nietzsche's Rejection of Eros position "Love of one is a barbarism; for it is exercised at the expense of all others. The love of God, too."
eunisgrc 2 months ago
Ha, ha, so God made a mistake. He is human afterall!
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aussiechickdiana 2 months ago
The sum of verbs, don't mean you are intelligent. The fact that you can explore an idea, doesn't mean is real, correct of true. Love is the human science in which we procreate, that is why he exist. Most of the population exist based on love, others in other facts, but this guy is just making himself reach, with the sum or verbs, were by the moves of his eyes, you can tell hi is just inventing and creating to obtain the approval of the fool, who know less of life and facts,
andrixgabriel 3 months ago
Thanks to you too !
incrediblelily 3 months ago
what he means by nothing is actually pure awareness. personal love is a form of expressed love that is not the same as universal, impersonal love. the latter is the nature of pure awareness, the former is consituting the human egoism which needs to be annihilated before one is able to understand ones own true inner nature, which is not different from pure awareness.
these are the teachings of jesus christ. many other wise people spoke in the same way yet jesus revelead the truth most deeply.
aseekercalledraphael 3 months ago 2
I'm sorry to say, Mr Zizek, you didn't understand love. You pick the things you like, however, your love is universal towards all that exits; hence like is quantitative but love is qualitative and depends on your perception, and your perception depends on your awareness, and awareness is achieved by reason, and reason is a creation of mind, and mind is from a source which I can't explain to you here. When will the West read the "Eastern Wisdom"?
rezz110 4 months ago
@rezz110 Never. You know why? Because Eastern Wisdom is tied with the necessity of total self-abnegation, freedom from ALL desires, especially the consumerist, the fornicating and the desire of avarice,West RUNS on those very base, very vile desires, and if you are truly an Easterner you will most definitely starve (because in the East work is not essential) and be considered a freak (because in the East you are supposed to own nothing, not attend parties and live a meditative life
ididete 3 months ago
intellectual blabla. mind is overrated. He seems passionate about it. But i have seen people with warmth, peace and a calm mind.
composertimbeek 4 months ago
@composertimbeek not hippies again please
henrix999 3 months ago
@henrix999 Hippies, Where :O kill them all
composertimbeek 3 months ago
THAT MAN IS CRAZY, HE IS NUTS
amsterdamlove 4 months ago
we need more people like this on this planet ..FAST [=
leesoarez 5 months ago
Human love is false love: an addiction that people just won't / can't let go of. You would think they'd be more inclined toward insight / knowledge of the universe, of existence, of life, but no - they want "love." Addiction laid bare isn't attractive, isn't seductive, isn't favorable. But when it is dressed up in fancy words and delusions, wouldn't you just die for it? I mean "love" is so beautiful isn't it? Can't you see it's work on this planet? People still using their drug of choice...
thepostnihilist 6 months ago
@thepostnihilist very interesting take on love..
kochammata 5 months ago
[...] Yet, I believe it is better to recognise love within an single subject/object than to never recognise it at all. I personally have discovered unconditional love for one other person. Having realised and experienced this wonder, I now know what it is I am looking for, only I now wish to meditate on this and expand this feeling to encompass everything/everyone in my conscious reality. See all as equals. To be equally concerened for the wellfare of all.
IdeasAboveStation 6 months ago
To single out any one thing or person as deserving of a special and particular kind of attention, affection and devotion, whilst denying the rest of the world/universe this 'love' is (imo) perhaps not the fault of the individual harbouring that 'love' to be ignorant of the larger world, but because their world view is too small to realise that they aught to extend this reverence from a lone subject/object to that of their entire conception of reality. That love could be shared with everything...
IdeasAboveStation 6 months ago
what an idiot. this is our intellectuals these days.
aqueenowlbee 7 months ago
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montex23 7 months ago
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I think Zizek pretending that the whole world is "out there and stupid", without discussing his responsability towards it (a basic common thing in quantum physics nowadays is the understanding with a non-dual approach that we are probably creating reality ) shows precisely that Zizek is super arrogant ego self oriented and that his analysis could go much more further.
montex23 7 months ago
he talks like a computer...
patoyorio 7 months ago
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Evil does not exist and hate only exists because people believe in evil. Please stop calling and thinking of things that are bad as "evil". It doesn't exist. I really wish that this thought comes through to as many people as possible. I don't want to see more unnecessary hate and suffering in the world.
mamikodis 7 months ago
Firstly: Creation is not necessarily due to some tragic event disturbing "balanced Universal nothingness", it can as well be an act of consciousness, or better to say, a natural process of energy (forms of energy we know are perhaps not all the forms there are). Secondly: Love isn't evil per-se. Sure, love can be egoistical, but then, I’d not call that love... Also, if you love someone, it doesn't mean that you hate everyone else, or not love them, on the contrary, you love all more.
just2share 7 months ago
@just2share you completeley miss the point of what he is getting at
Anonymarine 7 months ago
@just2share you are wrong love came from hell by the devil him self
randomguyodst46 7 months ago
@hollygy You can't be serious.
woodbell67 7 months ago
@trakomako
I can relate to what you said, but I didn't give up. I was thinking of the meaning and purpose alot, but don't give up, 3 months ago I started to know why we're here and my purpose, I started to have my "own theory". You gotta find yours and you will be happy. Good luck!
1Mperios 7 months ago
@trakomako
It hasn't a meaning because you haven't found yours yet.
1Mperios 7 months ago
@hollygy I think the point he's making (through all the sluring) is that love is the beginning of preference and thus as a counter-point; the beginning of neglect and indifference. You cant cant give someone your love without simultaneously denying the same degree of love and attention to someone else. Unless youre on a saint or a sage, 'loving' usually comes down to hoarding a potentially (universal) resource.
olywood9 8 months ago
i agree with the man 100% here.
leif011 8 months ago 2
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@hollygy Those are just words.
Cyanidespork 8 months ago
@trakomako Oi, Deluded ? xD I'd be carefull with comments like that if i were you. Sounds like youre convinced your truth is the only truth.. + Having offspring is a weird goal on its own, because it doesnt really serve a purpose. Totally agree on the 'virus with feet' thing though xD
thgirlnextdoor 8 months ago
@trakomako Isnt it Just? I wake up every morning, amazed by how pretty everything is, and i wonder which genious was the architect... And if there really isnt one then.. well, life really has no meaning least we got to waste the time in a pretty place.
thgirlnextdoor 8 months ago
Ooo. Empty life he must have o.o
thgirlnextdoor 8 months ago
I. am. a. mistake...MOM?!?!?!?! (0:42)
bitchywriter 9 months ago
I'm having a really hard time truly grasping this.
0pteryx 9 months ago
@0pteryx Me too
BlackFeather713 5 months ago
This is close to how Schopenhauer saw the world. He said that the world shouldn't exist, people say "life is a gift", how the hell is it a gift, when there's tremondous amounts of suffering especially among animals ? schopenhauer said that all this is a manifestation of the will, which is a blind, stupid force that simply exists and denying the will is the best thing one can do.
TheBeardedThinker 10 months ago
@TheBeardedThinker
The interesting thing about people is that they have no problem continuing something that they don't understand. How many people actively search for truth rather than blindly follow religions and other belief systems put forth by authority figures? They reproduce instinctively, creating more separation out of "love" and then sit around imagining that one day we will live in unity and peace. Sometimes I wonder whether or not most of us are programmed machines with no will.
thepostnihilist 10 months ago
@thepostnihilist It is certain that most people aren't interested in "the truth", the truth sometimes isn't "practical" for them, they want to think that life is good, that "god' loves them and tend to underestimate the suffering of sentient creatures,but again,we are the product of evolution and evolution favors animals who survive and reproduce, and the fact that we exist is proof humans are good at reproducing,even if that means lying to ourselves and inventing inexistent meanings to life.
TheBeardedThinker 10 months ago
@TheBeardedThinker however, these inexistent meanings to life is basically turned into materialism in our capitalistic society, and perhaps people are suffering from it unknowingly because it creates an infinite amount of desire that could never be satisfied.
sorisoru 10 months ago
@sorisoru well that's certain, since we appeared on this planet we've been greedy, look at all the wars for land, power, possessions,recognition,inexistant gods... look at how ancient emperors tended to elevate their status by pretending to be gods or demi-gods...once you realize that life doesn't even need to exist, that all animals appeared pretty much by chance, the struggle for possessions, fame and domination starts to look pretty fucking absurd.
TheBeardedThinker 10 months ago
Without the mind's desire to manipulate reality, no one would survive.
Self love is entirely crucial for existence.
Love is not evil, it simply is.
sorisoru 10 months ago 2
He believes that love is the same thing as attachment, which means he has never experienced love. I feel sorry for him.
ISmellLikeASexyGuy 10 months ago
@ISmellLikeASexyGuy
You really shouldn't feel sorry for people who use critical thought; you should feel sorry for those who don't.
thepostnihilist 10 months ago 2
@thepostnihilist Great response.
capath 9 months ago
And how exactly does he base his definition of what evil means?
RealBloppy 11 months ago
@RealBloppy he probably contends that love is evil in the sense that it siphons the mind from alternate possibilities. Inherent in love is some form of an opposite (hate) but more generally, indifference. Because to love is, by his definition a "through to the end," flaw, hate, based upon the same premise can summarily be characterized as such. Thus, when individuals act out of hate, that by my definition is evil. Selection is bad, categorization, worse; both derived from the adaptation of love.
kj762aa 10 months ago
@kj762aa I guess my confusion is based on how he's such a reductionist but yet confirms and claims an absolute evil. I don't get it. He seems to re-enforce the notion that there is nothing, yet he lives and rationalizes with absolutes like evil. There is no such thing as evil the second we reduce the world to nothingness/materialism.
RealBloppy 10 months ago
If he means what he says, while being a supporter of matterialism, then he is arrogant. How can you claim to be indifferent of the creation when you are part of it? You feel, you think, you act as part of the creation. Hating it means hating yourself and everything else, except you believe in the existence of the soul. As for love, it doesn't necessarily mean possesion, exclusiveness and attachement. Love can also be unconditional to everything. Love can mean respect to the creation.
FiveOceans91 11 months ago
he's completely right, the self and the self's wants and needs creates ALL evil.
MrMas3d 11 months ago 2
0:13
Zizek prefaces a meaningless comparison with quantum physics with 'you know....'.
First rate intellectual terrorism right there.
vdmerwe 11 months ago
I can't form an opinion on this yet, I really can't. The beginning is all based on how one defines consciousness. And he seems like such an idealist, and yet.. I don't know, there's a contradiction there, I think? "There is nothing, and I mean that quite literally", and then he says "there are things out there".
I feel kind of pathetic not being able to process this, but I do feel there's a bit of a contradiction there, either on his side or mine. Anyway I have to agree this guy has integrity.
thustonc 11 months ago
this guy obviously had a very bad love life
CleatisMcginty 11 months ago
"Read this sentence in my voice" !
876sarah 11 months ago
@876sarah okay good for you
Moonshield15 11 months ago
I cannot reconcile his notions with my perceptions in any way. This is either because he attempts to use his words in ways that change their meaning completely, or what he is saying is rubbish.
Iridium237 11 months ago
This man has honesty, humor, seriousness, care, respect, irony and intelligence in his speech and that is what we call "integrity" ; not at all like the constantly depressed looking, self-oriented, egoist, clever guy wannabes.
inancyuce 11 months ago 18
@inancyuce : I think Zizek pretending that the whole world is "out there and stupid", without discussing his responsability towards it (a basic common thing in quantum physics nowadays is the understanding with a non-dual approach that we are probably creating reality ) shows precisely that Zizek is super arrogant ego self oriented and that his analysis could go much more further. and he looks dark overexcited clever guy wanabee to me.
montex23 7 months ago
@montex23 Hasn't it ever occured to you that the world out there is a little bit stupid? At least in a solemn moment? Sincerity is because he says what he thinks at the moment, there is no truth or reality but sincerity that I see in his words..
inancyuce 7 months ago
Pyotr Miusov in real life.
YogritMUN 1 year ago
"things exist by mistake"
i don't think so . . .
arevsteffen 1 year ago
@arevsteffen
It just depends on how you look at it. If you believe in a theistic creation, then no, things don't exist by mistake. But if you reject theism, and see that the universe arose simply by chance, that life came about by mutations and accidents, then yes, it can be said that it is all a mistake. There is no meaning, there is no purpose. Things simply exist because something went wrong and the balance of things was disturbed. Which is, I think, quite liberating.
Abhorath 11 months ago 17
@Abhorath I can not agree. Using the term mistake impies "something went wrong", and nothing can come wrong without the concept of how it should have gone like - but that concept is just in peoples minds, its not in the world itself. Things just happen in the world, they don't need a mental picture of what should happen - they just react. So calling life or anything for that matter a mistake is nonsensical. The term does not exist in that context.
b26354 6 months ago
@Abhorath Don't come here with God. Zizek is a marxist, he doesn't believe in God.
quierover1234 6 months ago
The coolest guy in the world.
1a1a2s3d4f5g 1 year ago
Post-modernist nonsense. These aren't theories! They don't point to aaanything and the examples are uninformed nonsense.
Goddamn this isn't philosophy.
vdmerwe 1 year ago
@vdmerwe Who said it is?
Moonshield15 11 months ago
@Moonshield15 Oh come on the man considers himself and is considered to be a 'philosopher'. The video is TAGGED 'philosophy'.
vdmerwe 11 months ago
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He's just one of the Fallen. Which means he gave up.
etoangfavoriteko 1 year ago
he may not realize that through sharing his brilliance he is also prolonging the ride, b/c many people LOVE what he has to say. :P
DookieBasket 1 year ago
This guy needs to smoke some lah
dubified89 1 year ago
lol original video is Zizek on Space! lol
LukaStrazisar 1 year ago
Bravo Žižek ti si naš!
Prada488 1 year ago
Fucking communist he doesn t even believe in love.
xabi2025 1 year ago
he has a very Western exclusionist idea of love that I believe skews his analysis
papasmurfdrummer 1 year ago
looks like he's quite frustrated.
TataBrada80 1 year ago
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looks like he's quite frustrated.
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TataBrada80 1 year ago
Assuming the nothingness is the "natural order of things". I don't get why he always refer the the existence of the universe as a catastrophe.
andersv20 1 year ago
@andersv20 why not? it's just as arbitrary to refer to the universe's existence as beautiful or wonderous. completely arbitrary, non quantifiable statements.
southsydney 1 year ago
@southsydney Well, yes, a personal valuejudgment is an inherently non quantifiable quality, and anyone may say whatever they like as to how they perceive it, the same way no one can deny that you like chocolate, or that you are in pain whenever you claim to be. However one can’t say that chocolate IS either good or bad in it self. Our best try would be to address the aggregate of opinions in a sort of pole, however abstract and pointless the results;
andersv20 1 year ago
@southsydney ;thus to say that the existence of the world is a catastrophe in this very universal sense would be empirically wrong, seeing as this is not the dominant valuejudgment and there being more liking than disliking towards it, i.e. being alive. He should ad a “to me” or “in my view” and stop advocating this pretentious objectivity in this very philosophically habitual way.
andersv20 1 year ago
@southsydney
well no he's not saying it's some kind of arbitrary judgement, he's saying that things only come into existence through some kind of quantum disturbance. that makes no sense.
sec0f111 1 year ago
@sec0f111 big bang was a quantum disturbance...
qarusel 1 year ago
He is ingenious!
expotl 1 year ago
utter tripe. i can't believe people take this clown seriously. all he does is fidget and yell outrageous, contrary bullshit as if it's more profound by virtue of its absurdity.
sec0f111 1 year ago 2
@sec0f111 all you've done is the same thing you accuse him of doing, flailing around without a point. make one.
southsydney 1 year ago
@southsydney
what do you want me to say? this is gibberish, especially the bit about quantum physics. also he says he either hates the world or is indifferent, but it seems from his recent comment is free piece he merely hates immigrants.
sec0f111 1 year ago
the worlds greatest...troll.
LovesPrankCalls 1 year ago
These comments all just prove that Slavoj Zizek is an excellent troll.
qsure123 1 year ago
Why do I read these comments? They make me so angry.
Please, all of you "let's discuss the nature of love" people: SHUT UP!
You will never agree. You're taking what he says completely out of context and you are completely missing the point of the statement he makes.
This is a short segment of a longer documentary about one of Europe's biggest contemporary thinkers. Discuss your bullshit life philosophies elsewhere.
MrFishus 1 year ago 2
This is the old ying-yang crap. Keep quantum physics and emotions out of it.
WSWarthog 1 year ago
When Zizek says mistake he simply means an imbalance came from balance in the universe, no god like intentionality implied
salopy0 1 year ago
"i hate the world"
i agree.
southsydney 1 year ago 2
So pessimistic. Who cares if existence is manifest by a "mistake" or "accident." Those notions are probably a very crude way of looking at the genesis of our universe. Whatever the reason or cause of existence, we ought to embrace our experience of it. All beauty, value, and morality comes from our existence and the knowledge of ourselves and the world. We shouldn't ignore these miraculous phenomena.
judenschnitzel 1 year ago
@judenschnitzel it's not miraculous at all. it's a perpetual accident.
southsydney 1 year ago
@southsydney How is it an accident? Do you believe there was an intended course of the universe besides this one? "Accident" or "mistake" implies intentionality. That would mean a god of sorts "made a mistake" somewhere down the line.
Besides, how can you devalue our experiences on the premise that their coming to existence was unlikely?
This guy is trying to get a rise out of you by making fantastical and emotionally charged claims.
judenschnitzel 1 year ago
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@judenschnitzel hate to break it to you, but there is no god.
kavaliuk 1 year ago
vejam o meu canal!
chrisheineck 1 year ago
why are people arguing over such a stupid topic? I assume people have been arguing over this for the past several thousand years.
howcynicalofme 1 year ago
Love is just something your body makes u do, it takes control of u. Its basically a bunch of hormones making you fall for the opposite (or even the same) gender.
There is no such thing as true love, cuz if there was, there wouldnt be no people cheating on each other. Love is another bullshit made up by human beings. I will never believe in true love, nor will anyone love me back (however, love such as a parent loving their child is real). Love doesnt conquer anything
AZNmanJJ 1 year ago
@AZNmanJJ but there are also people who don't cheat on each other.
DeSPoTNemanjaS 1 year ago
@DeSPoTNemanjaS though thats true, it just means theyre more mature than the others who cheat. Then again, being mature is also something ur body makes u do
AZNmanJJ 1 year ago
@AZNmanJJ yes. so what?
DeSPoTNemanjaS 1 year ago
@DeSPoTNemanjaS so what, what?
AZNmanJJ 1 year ago
@DeSPoTNemanjaS im saying love is nothing but bullshit
Im saying all this cuz there are ppl who will never get to know what the hell love is, so its bullshit
AZNmanJJ 1 year ago
@AZNmanJJ You're pretty ignorant. "Love is just something your body makes u do, it takes control of u. Its basically a bunch of hormones making you fall for the opposite (or even the same) gender." One of the most ignorant statements I've heard. What you described there is sexual desire, not love. two different things. You use the excuse 'your body makes you do something' a few times..like we dont have free will to choose our actions?
biggiea082 1 year ago
@AZNmanJJ And people who will never know what love is? If you have never experienced love before, it's your own fault. I've seen people with down syndrome in married with kids and completely in love with each other. if they can do it, anyone can.
biggiea082 1 year ago
@biggiea082 obviously your just another person who thinks theyre in "love"
really, there is no magical thing in "love", its just a bunch of hormones making you love
Down syndrome? how do you know theyre "in love"? Love as in they care for each other? yes, love as in I want to spend the rest of my life with you, or you love? bullshit -_-'
AZNmanJJ 1 year ago
Hilarious.
htayzhtat 1 year ago
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htayzhtat 1 year ago
He's standing in front of the Biblioteca Nacional (National Library) in Buenos Aires, Argentina.
Rockoar 1 year ago 18
bow down to the dark side :D
AhrimanVII 1 year ago
indeed that put a light on the sentence in the bible that says- you shouldn't love someone (son/daughter/wife/...) more than God- because it's a perversion. It means you exclude the rest, make a distinction between your brothers and sisters, in one word you are UNFAIR.
AhrimanVII 1 year ago
This seems like a very Buddhist point of view to me. What he is calling "love" is what Buddhists would call "Attachment," one of the main causes of Suffering.
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southsydney 1 year ago
@MithrasAtDusk well, you certainly have never read Zizek; he could not possible be further away from new-age obscurantisms, as he calls it.
tsuresuregusa 1 year ago
@MithrasAtDusk If he means attachment and disire, yes. On the other hand, Buddhism very much propagate for and encourages love and compassion, but it's better to love everyone than one person. But it's better to love one than none.
Avokado34 1 year ago
@MithrasAtDusk I think Zizek's defintion of love is more in the vein of metta. He never says love is directed towards an object of attachment. Instead love is something which "assumes the mistake and goes to the end." I fail to see what that attaches to. Not a flame, the guy is a great mind and it is exciting to have good conversation via youtube.
54NickZ 10 months ago
@MithrasAtDusk : here Zizek talks about a concept, namely the object-cause of desire, the structure of which is parallel to that of cause of ALL-Existence and THE Existence. it is the structure of creation 2. it is very different from the purely negative Buddhist love 3. it is also UNRELATED to, in (animal) psychology, the concept of ATTACHMENT which can be applied to animal behaviors. Zizek Society.
KantHegelZizek 9 months ago
Erich Fromm had some good stuff on love in his "The Art of Love". He distinguishes different kinds of love. I think what Zizek is talking about is more "infatuation" than love, but infatuation is what consumerist society has made of erotic love. And quite possibly, that is a form of evil.
bettysman 1 year ago
@bettysman i have been thinking about this a lot lately. when we date or try to meet women/ men or whatever we behave on the same drives as consumers and advertisers...
mcshobe2008 1 year ago
Very interesting point, and discomfortably correct but would like to deny.... for sake of emotion
binimichaela 1 year ago
Love everyone as you love yourself, that's perfect balance, the goal of evolution.
The lack of balance is in the selfishness of picking someone to love in particular, not in Love itself.
riffolaorg 1 year ago
this man rambles. whereas a poet would have gotten the point across in a mere sentence.
kharnvelzyghur 1 year ago
@kharnvelzyghur this isnt some lame poetry. poets can make whatever claim they want and leave it up to the reader to shape meaning. zizek cant afford to be sloppy like some douchebag poet
southsydney 1 year ago
when you look at space in general this makes a fair amount of sense.
sholto7 1 year ago
metaphysics is the answer of this.
secretdarrylsd 1 year ago
i think what he is saying, is that when you say you love someone/something, you are ignoring everything else and only loving a specific person/thing, your ignoring the ones around you. like hitler, he loved the blonde hair blue eyes, so he hated anything else. or a guy who loves his gf soo much, that he maybe becomes possesive or something. i dont know, i think the language barrier is making it hard to understand what he means.
gibsonguitarist05 1 year ago
If you love somebody more than anyone, you may not necessarily be evil. You may just have an aspect blindness. I would not call love to someone as evil aspect, but simply a human feeling, which at times may make you weak.
samyabad 1 year ago
To get what he's saying, read Ayn Rand. He's elaborating on the conversation (here on You Tube) she had with Mike Wallace in the 50's, and what CS Lewis wrote in The Screwtape Letters, when the demon convinces the man that if he hysterically 'loves' all mankind wholesale, this is 'love', when it's actually non descript, impersonal, easy to do, and isn't love. Its akin to a bunch of kids on Ecstacy running around mouthing off about peace and love, and in doing so, really undermining loves reality
AmericanPlatinum 1 year ago
@AmericanPlatinum I think you may be a bit in error
HyenaOwnersClub 1 year ago
I probably used to be a rhetorical idiot. It's the rhetorical grabage that has to stop. There are jokes, then there is just pure ignorence
elliottbradshaw 1 year ago
Don't take this guy seriously.
FeelOfFriction 1 year ago
@FeelOfFriction hahaha THIS GUY ? ZIZEK IS ONE OF THE BIG GENIUSES IN THE ACTUAL WORLD, not because he was a super-human, indeed all of his work is very interesting and motivator for all the people who wants to think about our reallity
gladiadorche 1 year ago
while this sounds like rambling post-modern bullshit (as is everything else of what little i've heard from zizek before), he does have a point about love and violence. most abusers, for instance, claim to love their victims. the europeans came to north america and 'civilized' (read: exterminated) the indigenous population. why did they do it? because they loved the indians, of course!
consider also that the same word (fuck) that means 'make love to' also means 'do great violence to'.
pazomblez 1 year ago
This is nonsensical gibberish, on par with Derrida and a hippie on bad acid.
Brewed54 1 year ago
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What a f-ing poseur. This is what late capitalism vomits up as an "intellectual". This is what happens when thinkers aren't held accountable by any community, by any action. Zizek is a provocateur, a worthless person farting. If you want him to fart at your university, contact his agent.
decidererer 1 year ago
What a f-ing poseur. This is what late capitalism vomits up as an "intellectual". This is what happens when thinkers aren't held accountable by any community, by an action. Zizek is a provocateur, a worthless person farting. If you want him to fart at your school, contact his agent.
decidererer 1 year ago
Hm. This guy's pretty fucked.
aggradef 1 year ago
This is such white noise.
Air420 1 year ago
did anyone consider this guy is just a crackpot?
wackobro 1 year ago 2
@wackobro He's much worse than a crackpot, he's the Glenn Beck of academia, a total distraction from the serious work we should be doing to change the world for the better.
decidererer 1 year ago
I dont suspect most people here actually understand. He's not saying love is a 'bad' thing that we shouldn't do. He specifically says the 'only way to counteract' this meaningless random existance is 'to assume the mistake and go to the end' - love.
Love is evil in the sense that it's quite a destructive and irrational, inbalanced thing. But society, the way we percieve ourselves is also irrational. We need to revel in our own contradictory existance - that is to be human.
GrandWazoo88 1 year ago 2
What if calling love evil was more evil than love itself?
soccom8341576 1 year ago
So to love someone is evil, then what the fuck are we supposed to do, just stop giving a shit about anything?
fullfrontalfrank 1 year ago
@fullfrontalfrank he's basically saying that everything should be treated the same. Love is the act of picking out a certain individual and valuing it highly over others. Instead of loving one, love all.
Neglect his delivery with his message because it sounds more negative than anything.
albasuna 1 year ago
@albasuna I think you misunderstand Zizek. He is explicitly arguing that the popular idea of universal love as a general stance towards the entire world is evil because love only assumes meaning when it is particularly applied. A mother's love for her infant child is only precious because it is particular. She does not love the pedophile the same as her babe. Differentiation (or imbalance as Zizek puts it) between the object of affection and the rest of the world is the key.
ramonalejandrosuarez 1 year ago
@ramonalejandrosuarez So I'm understanding his stance as love being evil because universal love will mean you will love people who act evil?
albasuna 1 year ago
105,000 views get.
KrisdashPaul 1 year ago
@royalyon
What the fuck does that even mean?
DungeonMasterJ 1 year ago
Oh my god, the depth of this noodle's misunderstanding of quantum mechanics is such as to actually SUBTRACT from the amount of knowledge in the universe. Never mind that the analogy between that and anything else he says here is... well, to call it "bad" would still be too generous, implying as it does that there is any detectable analogy at all. How can people be calling this guy a "deep thinker"?!?
DungeonMasterJ 1 year ago
@DungeonMasterJ sooo what you're basically trying to say is that you suck cock?
LevKozlodoev 1 year ago
@DungeonMasterJ appearantly you haven't read any of his work ;)
Fangelus 1 year ago
Yet another reason to love Zizek, if you'll pardon the pun . . . .
Sosostris 1 year ago
@Sosostris thats not a pun
tobyisatramp 1 year ago
@tobyisatramp Actually, it is, in the broad sense of playing on/with words. I "love" Zižek, even though "love", to him, is evil. I'm pretty sure everyone here gets that. Also, @caffrey1911, dead on.
Sosostris 1 year ago
There is no chemical difference to the human body between "love" and a few lines of cocaine.
caffrey1911 1 year ago
Zizek you are clearly a deep thinker I really appreciate your insight!
thedirtydeltas 1 year ago
Love is a delusion. If everyone loved everyone, this would be a different world. If we were all loved for our faults, instead of our other qulaities, we would have a totally different perception of love. On top of that, Love has become almost a totally sexual thing, when it has almost nothing to do with sexuality. Sexual attraction is dependent on factors that will change, and probably not for the better. Search for the qualitites that will never change. Love is not evil, people are.
shadywalker 1 year ago
i was teached that love and hate are as of north and south they compliment each other as of being the extremities of the gregorian calendar. If i think about love. hmm all i wish to love i want to control- but words= is that not natural. I mean do words change meaning whenst they come into contact with one another? Respect the slave and the master.
ThePointlessAtheist 1 year ago
Love is evil because it is affirmative action.
stefandetrez 1 year ago
folks may not want the truth, truth may not care what folks want, this has been the trend, twas a long time ago that the theory of relativity was experimentally verified, still most people either think they understand it, argue absurdly against it or ignore it altogether, even physicists who should know better.
olstrawberries 1 year ago
somebody knows where he develops-in which book- this idea, concept of nothingness, creation, how things appears, love? thanks
animae66 1 year ago
somebody know where - which book- he develops or mentions this concept of nothingness, how things appears, love etc.? thanks
animae66 1 year ago
I just bought this guys book on violence. love this guy
timothy51886 1 year ago