The ending of BSG stirred up the hornet's nest for sure.
Some people say that they slapped together a "God did it" or "Isn't it wonderful? The ending is whatever you want it to be!!" type ending, and acted like anyone who didn't like it wasn't smart enough.
She's kinda like an angel or guide or spirit or something I guess.....
THIS SCENE ALWAYS MADE ME SAD BUT A THE SAME EXCITED THAT THERE WAS A SENSE AND A CHANCE TO START FRESH AND NEW WITH THINGS. ALSO THAT EVEN THOUGH KARA DISAPPEARED THAT SHE WOULD ALWAYS WATCHING OVER LEE ADAMA.
I think they played out part of the episode from the old series that was never done, it was called the Return of Starbuck. He was made into one of the Seraphs in the old series, an angel basically. He had done an act of self-sacrifice and became one of them,
I think Kara was an Angel, and she knew that Roslin was going to die soon, like she knew more than just what anyone could tell. There was this look in her eyes to me it said something that she knew something that others didn't, like G-d was telling her. And then she asks Lee what he plans to do with life, much like an Angel may, an Angel helps people achieve a goal and once their job is done, they return to the source.
Im 30 years Young, two kids, son and a daughter, have been married to my wife for 9 years. We watched this entire series from start to end. Some of my best thoughts was coming home from work, sit down next to my wonderful wife and watch the new show. But as god as my witness, I have only really cried as if my soul was pouring out when my kids were born, and at the end of this wonderful, wonderful show. I will miss this show for a long time. Thank you to all that created this show.
When I saw this episode originally and she disappeared, I let out the loudest "whoa" ever. Did not expect that ending, in fact the entire ending of BSG absolutely left me inconsolable for two days. I still have issues listen to the wonderful music and not feeling absolutely melancholy.
Despite the fact that I am a huge fan of BSG and science fiction in general I didn't particularly like the way religion poked its fingers again to resolve things that science fiction began. Star Trek fans sure know what I am talking about because its exactly what happened to the Deep Space Nine ending with Sisko's disappearing and the Pah-wraiths. Should I even bother mentioning that Moore was also responsible for that show? So Ron please find another way to kill your main characters :)
Lee is just glorified temporary actor... if the show needs a pilot / solider / captain / idiot / brave hero / lawyer / rebellion school kids / sex symbol / even bigger idiot, you could use Lee. He is the weakest link.
Starbuck is cool from the start. but her "storyline" isn't as well reflected throughout the shows as other (final five / dying leader the earth / head six & balter...)
Though I do think Kara should have actually said the words "goodbye Lee" or something similar to closure. Personally, I'm just glad that Kara is happy. Apparently, Katee Sackhoff and EJO said that Starbuck is playing pyramid in the sky with Anders. So I'm glad that she gains peace after such a tumultuous life. In my world, Lee finds someone to go hiking with him. Everyone's happy. The End.
He was all, "Lee Adama will never see another human in his life, he'll live these years just struggling to stay alive on the planet, if he knew how hard the rest of his life was going to be, he'd go hang himself on the nearest tree."
I was like, ".....OH WOW"
There's so many ways to react to the ending, imagining what happens to both of them if they see each other again or not, interesting to think about it.
I didn't like the anticlimactic poof but as a non-shipper, I understood exactly what was going on symbolically with the pigeon. I don't like Lee/Kara (their soap opera arc in S3 nearly killed the show for me) so I was fine. Lee will be fine. He didn't start bawling when he saw Kara disappear, did he? I personally never understand when people act like these two were epic.Um, no. They were cheaters who harmed others with their choices. I like them individually but together they're toxic.
Lee Adama will likely never see another human being for the rest of his life. If he had any apprehension of how limited the rest of his (short and painful) life will be, he'd hang himself from a tree with his belt.
Just wait until the poor idiot finds out how long it takes to walk to the nearest mountain! He travelled faster than light and now he's down to walking... It's really a very sad ending in a way - the only thing that makes it worthwhile is the knowledge that their scheme worked.
Seriously though, I really thought Lee's ending made no damn sense at all. Climb a mountain? With no kit, no support and no experience? He'll be lucky if he can feed himself, let alone climb mountains. IMO it was just a bit dumb.
I definitely have some mixed feelings on the series and what happened to some of the characters. But that was kinda a pessimistic view you told. Are you five years old?? Maybe he'll be happy, find a place or something. Could be like another series. Kara's ending is a bit infuriating too if you ask me. But I guess she'll see him again. Like she said.
BSG isn't the kind of show to have a 100% happy end right?
@Usul573 Happy, Sad - that wasn't really an issue for me. It just didn't make sense, that's all. Everybody just up and threw away their politics, religion, skills and interests. Most of them kept some sort of community with a small peer group, but other than that they essentially devolved 65.000 years in the space of about 6 months.
Frankly, looking at it from a psychiatric point of view, suicide is only an unlikely outcome because most of them would starve first.
BSG combined evangleism with real world socopolitics...people dislike it not because it doesnt make sense, but because they can't think beyond the levels of logic in storytelling, they are constantly brainwashed into thinking that du ex machina is a bad thing, when in truth it's something we'll eventually reach the level of in human society. When are we finally going to admit OUR science and philosophy ISNT the only one in the universe.
@HeyArnoldsspleen Well said! BSG was very original. It put the "humanity" of its characters ahead of packaged answers for everything. Most of all, like many of the best shows, BSG consistently probed its charcters' constant struggle for their compass (metaphorically and literally) under all circumstances. Whether God is supernatural or a being with a great transporter and a time machine, a societal epic like BSG would be incomplete without theological questions and themes.
wow, it's been like two weeks since i saw the finale, and i think i'm still traumatized. starbuck just zip - gone. and apollo left behind like that, all by himself on a strange planet. that just broke my heart.
but i guess these two really never did leave that table in a sense. just couldn't allow themselves to be happy together. probably would have felt like betraying zac. so tragic. and beautiful.
still, they could at least have given them a decent good-bye after all they've been through.
I've been in college and haven't seen the final episodes, but I finally had to watch this scene. Cried my eyes out, as expected. I wish there had been an expression of love, a kiss, or even just a goodbye. I wanted them to be together so badly that this is anticlimactic. And the implication that she will see Anders, not Lee, "on the other side" is heartbreaking. She and Lee were always meant to be--if not in life, then somewhere their past couldn't hurt them anymore.
It was so hard to watch this. It did not hit me until the next day. I suddenly stopped and went, "Kara died. She really died. She's gone." Soooo sad....
@therealbellaoldani I don't think so. I think she was a ghost, or an angel or something. A guide sent back to show them to earth. But she definitely died in the crash.
I think the point of the scene with Kara and Lee back on Caprica is just another example of the destiny of it all. If Kara had cheated on Zak with Lee, she wouldn't have been engaged with Zak, and she wouldn't have passed him during his botched flight test, which eventually killed him. With that, she wouldn't have been susceptible to Leoben's "you're an angel Kara" talk and therefore wouldn't have followed her true calling to lead humanity to Earth.
@1nonlyqaise1 In fact this theme has a very special name. Its called "Lee and Kara's love theme" and you can hear it numerous times in the show in situations when Lee and Kara are alone. You can hear it in the "Maelstrom" during the scene where Lee comforts Kara just before she goes with him on patrol, in "Unfinished bussines" where both of them kick each others asses in the ring etc.
Here's an excerpt from Wiki: "Introduced in season three's "Unfinished Business", this piece accompanies the tempestuous affair between pilots Lee Adama and Kara Thrace. In the third season soundtrack, it features in the tracks "Violence and Variations", where it is interwoven with the Opera House (Passacaglia) theme, and "Under the Wing."
Also appears in episodes: Maelstrom, Six of One, Islanded in a Stream of Stars, Daybreak: Part 2".
i agree with indysid, it makes sense when you think about harbinger of death. it's in how one looks at it. she was death as she died and came back to the human race
When I saw the whole episode, I was so upset, I felt like my cat died again. When Starbuck vanished, I am just wondering, "Where did she go?" And my mom noted that this was sad for Lee, because now all his loved ones are gone: His family, Dee, his fiance on Caprica, and now Starbuck.
I understand. Lee is all alone, he has a different destiny to fulfill. But now he has nothing to hold him back. You heard him, he wants to explore the world, could he do that with a wife and family in this kind of situation?
I think you would agree that he could not. Lee's destiny is a very special one, for he fought, played, loved and saved his people and all the while, an angel was by his side.
Perhaps his destiny is one of self discovery. For some of us, that may be all we ever have.
My... Oh god it would have been painful for Lee indeed. I mean, talk about a new life, a new beginning and then suddenly realize the person by your side was already dead.
I wonder how they made Lee's hair look short for the flashbacks... cuz I know they were shot before the rest of the episode (They made a wig for Kara)
"Harbinger of Death" Harbinger means bringer or carrier, Death doesn't mean necessarily a bad thing, Death is another part to another path, new begging or CHANGE, tarot cards sometimes refer to Death Cards as great change in ones life. Or many
Kara died at the end of last season. She appeared back mysteriously. Shes actually an angel sent back from the powers that be to help guide the last remaining survivors to Earth(2). She doesn't even realize that she is an angel until everything makes sence when she keys in earths jump sequence into the battlestar. Her destiny is completed and so she goes away. Heaven i suppose.
People seem to be taking the "God" part too seriously as well as the "angel" part. That's what they're called because we have no other name for them, but he doesn't like the name God and to assume he's "our" God and that Balter and 6 were literal angels direct from an earth religion is so short sighted of people!
There was so much I didn't like about the ending; however, I can't stop watching this scene. At first I couldn't believe that there was no sense of closure between Lee and Kara after all the history between the two, not even a friendly embrace. Jamie Bamber does such a good job portraying Lee's boyish exuberance when he is talking about his wishes to explore the new world, while Kara just stands there stoically with just the -- continued below
slightest hint of sadness in her expression, as if she completely understands what is about to happen. Maybe it is just my separation anxiety doing the talking here, but I honestly don't think the scene could have been done in any other way to maximise the emotional impact... a kind of ambivalent - suspended disbelief that tugs at the sentimental heartstrings. No matter how many times I see this scene it always hits me in the gut like a ton of bricks.
Kara vanished because her job was done here. Remember: There's another fleet out there somewhere where that other Kara came from. She's probably helping them now.
That's where the dead Kara came from. There's evidence that there are several other fleets in existence, all led by an Adama, all commanding a Battlestar.
Ron Moore made is clear that Kara was an angel sent from God. But she could only bring the knowledge of Earth and the special Viper back with her, if she died. Hence, the part of this episode where she talks about not being afraid of dieing (Maelstrom). Once she played her part in delivering the human race to the second Earth, God retrieved his angel. I think you've missed the point about Karas purpose.
Even though I'm a great lover of Galactica, I was disappointed with this ending, particularly what was done with Kara's character. Why kill off Starbuck then have her return screaming "We're going the wrong way!" only to have her lead them all to the old (wrong) cylon earth? Who put those coordinates in her viper? Where did she get that new viper? Her old viper exploded in space yet was on old earth mostly intact - how? Ron Moore opened so many plot lines he had no chance of tying them up!
Erm... Yeah... thanks for that ridiculously patronizing comment jfhzo that it's only a tv show & not real, like I didn't know. Clearly you & I differ on what we require from entertainment. I prefer to absorb & understand most of what I watch whilst you evidently prefer to have plot lines opened left, right and centre & never resolved... because it's only a tv show! I'll stick with my need for resolution thankyou because as any talented writer will tell you, a good script always has resolution.
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yeah u know what? write in german so i can understand what ur talking about^^ and what du u want with talented writer? i wanna see u writing german^^ colloquial k?
WTF, you've lost me with all this rubbish about writing in German. We were discussing Galactica (in english I might add) and now you're urging me to take a German language course so you can understand me. You're nuts! auf Wiedersehen!!!
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i lost u already wiht you first comment^^ yeah we ARE discussing about a tv show!! dont u get it?! it a fuckin show for entertainment!! ooh some1 here has doen his homework in german^^ im really proud of u^^ u would get a 1/A+ (for u sucker, if u dont understand german marks^^) bb dude
Why are people moaning about how Ron Moore copped out? it's his show, that's how he wanted it to end. The only reason you think he copped out is because it didn't end how YOU wanted it too. BSG was fantastic, I'm happy with how it ended.
saying that kara led the races together to their ends doesn't even make any sense at all. harbinger of death,,, not!
they were sending the fleet into the sun to stop the cycle of death and violence. The two """ angels """ baltar and 6, said that odds are one of the cycles would not have to repeat itself.
So following this misbegotten logic, (which in no way is the best answer for the open plotholes leading to here) then she actually saves both races from more of the same and gives new hope.
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Ron Moore is a piece of shit for copping out this series the way he did so he could come back with his new series and any specials and still leave the story open to interpretation like this.
BALTAR could not have survived the nuclear detonation that destroyed his city, his house and the cylon standing beside.
ThIs was the biggest piece of crap i've ever seen.
why is is that now the show is over everyone is saying "baltar should not have survived in the miniseries"? face it, it happened! and If you wasted your time watching the whole show just to say that it was the biggest piece of crap... then that's your fault for watching it. i loved this show. PERIOD
She led the "human" and "cylon" races, as they were, to their ends.
I wasn't happy with the god and angel components of everything, but it fit in with everything the show has done so far. And their portrayal of "god" as possibly a very advanced race that appears god-like makes it more bearable... although "God done it" is still a major cop-out, imo.
A harbinger is a "signpost" of "a sign of things to come." So you could read it either as a sign pointing to death or, as I now do, death pointing to the future. She was the "signpost" to Earth and "new" Earth. So I simply think of her as "the dead signpost" to salvation. She completed her mission in death because she couldn't do it in life. I think the ambiguity is great because aren't prophecies always ambiguous and subject to interpretation?
No, she was an angel sent by god and the pigeon was a symbolic reference to her being stuck in limbo, between life and death i.e. stuck in the house as the pigeon and unable to get through the window.
Lt. Gaff -> Cmdr. Adama -> Edward James Olmos has been contrasting our inhumanity towards one another and showing the rest of us the importance of trying to be humane to one another for some time now, now hasn't he.
So whether its' Replicants and Humans or Cylons and Humans or just Humans and Humans, the message does seem pretty thematically consistent.
A perfect Blade Runner / BSG tie - in. Kara = " I've..... Seen things..... you people wouldn't believe..... Space cruisers on fire of the shoulder of Orion...... The glitter of C - Beams ..... Time to die ", you know.
They should've kept some material from some of the ships, unless they were afraid of contaminating the timeline with anachronistic technology. Other than that, A wonderful " wrap - up ".Reminded me a bit of Hitch-Hiker's Guide - The BBC series, too.
I loved Lee saying so boyishly exuberantly " I wanna explore ! " & then finding Kara gone. She had done her job. Maybe she was like the Ascended Ancients of the Stargate universe. What about it ? She was their " Oma Desala " for a while.
Damn, I loved that episode. It ranks up there with " Goodbye, Farewell & Amen " & Star Trek TNG's " Journey's End ". Th scene with Kara & Lee was both confusing & it sorta kinda brought a tear to my macho eye. It also reminded me of the finale of Babylon 5 ( Dying leader, destruction of the ship / station ). Bravo !!!
Yeah, I was definitely reminded of the Babylon 5 ending. Basically because Moore and Co, did as JMS did and wrote a giant 4 year arc and got to play it to the end. TNG was a lot more uneven, I was reminded of the Inner Light or Tapestry.
" Daybreak Pt II " seemed to reflect some of the moments from B5's " Sleeping in Light ". The dying leader being Roslin rather than Adama though. People will be talking about BSG for YEARS, folks. YEARS !!
I had invested a lot of time and faith in this series ,i could site here and take it apart .but a choose to ignore the endings insulting flaws .and say I enjoyed . A cop out ?hell yes but if I think about to much ill hurt someone.
i cried so hard in this she was like a ghost u know it was so sad yet kina peacful knowing that she finly has peace,,goodby kara you will never be forgeten...
I think she was more than an angel - she had a life of suffering, died, was ressurected and then kind of ascended somewhere... it seems more Christ like ... i am not religious at all, but it does seem to fit that. Whatever Starbuck was, Katee Sackhoff was fantastic in the role, along wth Olmos and McDonnell the real centre of the show.
I think Starbuck was a human who died on Cyrth and was resurected because she had unfinished business. In season one Leobn told her, her life was full of pain, the end of the journey meant the pain was over and she could have peace
I think Starbuck was a human who died on Cyrth and was resurected because she had unfinished business. In season one Leobn told her, her life was full of pain, the end of the journey meant the pain was over and she could have peace
@Unclesamslair No, I think Moore thought of just about every possible rational explanation for why Kara returned from the grave and realized that they were all either done before in another sci-fi setting or that the fans thought of them all and argued each and every scenario to death. Why not do something no one will expect?
I believe that a rational explanation (Kara being a Cylon, etc) would have been the easy cop-out ending, not this particular one.
I still think that a hug or touch when he moved towards her would have given this moment more closure. the ending did their character's no justice, especially since they were so tight, so entwined, the could not break apart. An ending that closed that door, and maybe confirmed she was some kind of spirit would have been better for me. Athough, this still makes be cry.
I agree. The die hard Sam/Kara people say that the ending suited all their characters but I disagree. Yes, their relationship never seemed to work, they were bad for each other, blah, blah...but frak me a small embrace wouldn't have killed anyone right?
The thin I liked the most about the whole God thing was that it wasn't God or Gods, it was a force of nature. And makes it lovable for us none religious people to;)
Kinda of pissed when i first saw it and i am still a little ambivalent about this scene...I get the symbolism and this was able to cause a bigger emotional "damage" but i wanted these two to end up together... from the beginning there was chemistry and a happy ending would have been perfect...I know it sounds sappy and predictable, but still it was a great finale
even though explaining Kara's return away as being an angel sounds a bit, well, daft, it was really fitting and I dont know why lol
the thing about God and his "angels" also fitted in quite nicely when really it could have been disastrous for the ending of the series. I guess head0six wasnt lying in that ep of season2
what's happening to the people living on earth?
kappa2ou3 2 weeks ago
I havent even finished them but wow!
Seyhawk124 3 weeks ago
i dont get it - was she an angel?
Evan7893 1 month ago
the only redeeming part of the ending was when she "double dog" dared apollo to frak her
that was funny
starwarsfan117 4 months ago
OK, so what was Kara, when she came back? An angel? One of those stories of the dead coming back to help the living?
ronin241703 6 months ago
@ronin241703
The ending of BSG stirred up the hornet's nest for sure.
Some people say that they slapped together a "God did it" or "Isn't it wonderful? The ending is whatever you want it to be!!" type ending, and acted like anyone who didn't like it wasn't smart enough.
She's kinda like an angel or guide or spirit or something I guess.....
Usul573 6 months ago
I cry every time I watch this
Azami4117 6 months ago
You wont be forgotten kara!
heksomega 6 months ago
I love it
bedeccus 9 months ago
THIS SCENE ALWAYS MADE ME SAD BUT A THE SAME EXCITED THAT THERE WAS A SENSE AND A CHANCE TO START FRESH AND NEW WITH THINGS. ALSO THAT EVEN THOUGH KARA DISAPPEARED THAT SHE WOULD ALWAYS WATCHING OVER LEE ADAMA.
RigTig16 10 months ago
This scene made me evacuate my bowels!
Rajalord27 10 months ago
Kara, noo!!!! :*(
Bot2Talk2 10 months ago
I cried during the whole second half of the final episode. One of the best shows ever made. <3
Azami4117 11 months ago 3
I think they played out part of the episode from the old series that was never done, it was called the Return of Starbuck. He was made into one of the Seraphs in the old series, an angel basically. He had done an act of self-sacrifice and became one of them,
dsperlin 11 months ago
I think Kara was an Angel, and she knew that Roslin was going to die soon, like she knew more than just what anyone could tell. There was this look in her eyes to me it said something that she knew something that others didn't, like G-d was telling her. And then she asks Lee what he plans to do with life, much like an Angel may, an Angel helps people achieve a goal and once their job is done, they return to the source.
dsperlin 11 months ago
Im 30 years Young, two kids, son and a daughter, have been married to my wife for 9 years. We watched this entire series from start to end. Some of my best thoughts was coming home from work, sit down next to my wonderful wife and watch the new show. But as god as my witness, I have only really cried as if my soul was pouring out when my kids were born, and at the end of this wonderful, wonderful show. I will miss this show for a long time. Thank you to all that created this show.
ImThePutz 11 months ago 8
When I saw this episode originally and she disappeared, I let out the loudest "whoa" ever. Did not expect that ending, in fact the entire ending of BSG absolutely left me inconsolable for two days. I still have issues listen to the wonderful music and not feeling absolutely melancholy.
Mcplkelly 1 year ago 3
FYI, the dove is a religious reference and a nice touch.
usnavy907 1 year ago
Kara, and Anders where the angels was talking about.
Mjexjex 1 year ago
Bollocks!
Awful ending to a great series. The writers of season 4 should be flogged.
ckj377 1 year ago 3
@ckj377
WTF drugs are you on? This was an awesome ending. Scenes like this show just what an extraordinary sci-fi show BSG was.
5hutupl1nda 1 year ago 5
@5hutupl1nda
Clearly.
We have characters vanishing into thin air, angles, visions, an enigmatic Bob Dylan song and a 150,000 year flash forward.
Extraordinary writing.
If the audience is high.
ckj377 1 year ago
@ckj377 HA! Big fan of the show and you still have to see the funny side of that comment.
momaraziz 1 year ago
Despite the fact that I am a huge fan of BSG and science fiction in general I didn't particularly like the way religion poked its fingers again to resolve things that science fiction began. Star Trek fans sure know what I am talking about because its exactly what happened to the Deep Space Nine ending with Sisko's disappearing and the Pah-wraiths. Should I even bother mentioning that Moore was also responsible for that show? So Ron please find another way to kill your main characters :)
holodock 1 year ago
Lee is the weakest link for the great cast.
Lee is just glorified temporary actor... if the show needs a pilot / solider / captain / idiot / brave hero / lawyer / rebellion school kids / sex symbol / even bigger idiot, you could use Lee. He is the weakest link.
Starbuck is cool from the start. but her "storyline" isn't as well reflected throughout the shows as other (final five / dying leader the earth / head six & balter...)
So don't care about this scene at all.
garytcw 1 year ago
@garytcw also add politician, spoiled brat and idiot to the list of what Lee is.
garytcw 1 year ago
Though I do think Kara should have actually said the words "goodbye Lee" or something similar to closure. Personally, I'm just glad that Kara is happy. Apparently, Katee Sackhoff and EJO said that Starbuck is playing pyramid in the sky with Anders. So I'm glad that she gains peace after such a tumultuous life. In my world, Lee finds someone to go hiking with him. Everyone's happy. The End.
loveigniting09 1 year ago
@loveigniting09
He'll see her again at some point then?
Usul573 1 year ago
@loveigniting09
Hehe, someone else had a VERY different reaction.
He was all, "Lee Adama will never see another human in his life, he'll live these years just struggling to stay alive on the planet, if he knew how hard the rest of his life was going to be, he'd go hang himself on the nearest tree."
I was like, ".....OH WOW"
There's so many ways to react to the ending, imagining what happens to both of them if they see each other again or not, interesting to think about it.
Usul573 1 year ago
I didn't like the anticlimactic poof but as a non-shipper, I understood exactly what was going on symbolically with the pigeon. I don't like Lee/Kara (their soap opera arc in S3 nearly killed the show for me) so I was fine. Lee will be fine. He didn't start bawling when he saw Kara disappear, did he? I personally never understand when people act like these two were epic.Um, no. They were cheaters who harmed others with their choices. I like them individually but together they're toxic.
loveigniting09 1 year ago
she always was a slut lol
DaIVIaJa 1 year ago
wtf was all that about
subbtopp 1 year ago
I thought this was the best of the "finals", and Kara's disappearing act
was a great way to end her story - I found it quite bleak actually, in a touching sort of
way. They way he is left alone like that, but also free...
gaspanda 1 year ago
the doves... the cylon god under cover! :D
they are in Caprica also.... fear the birds!
Nephtys1 1 year ago
Lee Adama will likely never see another human being for the rest of his life. If he had any apprehension of how limited the rest of his (short and painful) life will be, he'd hang himself from a tree with his belt.
Just wait until the poor idiot finds out how long it takes to walk to the nearest mountain! He travelled faster than light and now he's down to walking... It's really a very sad ending in a way - the only thing that makes it worthwhile is the knowledge that their scheme worked.
Apolloin 1 year ago
@Apolloin
What the heck was that?
Usul573 1 year ago
@Usul573 Nerdrage, mate. ;)
Seriously though, I really thought Lee's ending made no damn sense at all. Climb a mountain? With no kit, no support and no experience? He'll be lucky if he can feed himself, let alone climb mountains. IMO it was just a bit dumb.
Apolloin 1 year ago
@Apolloin
I definitely have some mixed feelings on the series and what happened to some of the characters. But that was kinda a pessimistic view you told. Are you five years old?? Maybe he'll be happy, find a place or something. Could be like another series. Kara's ending is a bit infuriating too if you ask me. But I guess she'll see him again. Like she said.
BSG isn't the kind of show to have a 100% happy end right?
Usul573 1 year ago
@Usul573 Happy, Sad - that wasn't really an issue for me. It just didn't make sense, that's all. Everybody just up and threw away their politics, religion, skills and interests. Most of them kept some sort of community with a small peer group, but other than that they essentially devolved 65.000 years in the space of about 6 months.
Frankly, looking at it from a psychiatric point of view, suicide is only an unlikely outcome because most of them would starve first.
Apolloin 1 year ago
BSG combined evangleism with real world socopolitics...people dislike it not because it doesnt make sense, but because they can't think beyond the levels of logic in storytelling, they are constantly brainwashed into thinking that du ex machina is a bad thing, when in truth it's something we'll eventually reach the level of in human society. When are we finally going to admit OUR science and philosophy ISNT the only one in the universe.
HeyArnoldsspleen 1 year ago
@HeyArnoldsspleen Well said! BSG was very original. It put the "humanity" of its characters ahead of packaged answers for everything. Most of all, like many of the best shows, BSG consistently probed its charcters' constant struggle for their compass (metaphorically and literally) under all circumstances. Whether God is supernatural or a being with a great transporter and a time machine, a societal epic like BSG would be incomplete without theological questions and themes.
pantsmart 1 year ago
@Apolloin
People climb mountains without gear.
thundersnake1 3 hours ago
wow, it's been like two weeks since i saw the finale, and i think i'm still traumatized. starbuck just zip - gone. and apollo left behind like that, all by himself on a strange planet. that just broke my heart.
but i guess these two really never did leave that table in a sense. just couldn't allow themselves to be happy together. probably would have felt like betraying zac. so tragic. and beautiful.
still, they could at least have given them a decent good-bye after all they've been through.
boothsbeltbuckle 1 year ago 4
@boothsbeltbuckle
I've been in college and haven't seen the final episodes, but I finally had to watch this scene. Cried my eyes out, as expected. I wish there had been an expression of love, a kiss, or even just a goodbye. I wanted them to be together so badly that this is anticlimactic. And the implication that she will see Anders, not Lee, "on the other side" is heartbreaking. She and Lee were always meant to be--if not in life, then somewhere their past couldn't hurt them anymore.
EmeraldSky33 1 year ago 4
@boothsbeltbuckle
To me, I dunno, seems like after all of that, could of worked but...I dunno
Usul573 1 year ago
What's the song called at 2:40? God I love BSG
AwesomeTrevorDooood 1 year ago
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AwesomeTrevorDooood 1 year ago
Yes. She found her own remains at one point.
Agneshka 1 year ago
She died and become a "Guideng angel" But really now, isnt that what she was all along? :)
Starbuck - Best character on that show. Hands down.
SearchlightsInc 1 year ago 2
This was really sad, even though her dissapearence was really wierd.
Gravitons 1 year ago
I balled during this episode. What a terrific ending.
PlaidBoy 2 years ago 6
Really? who was the lucky guy?
mitts61 2 years ago
dirty. lol
PlaidBoy 2 years ago
It was so hard to watch this. It did not hit me until the next day. I suddenly stopped and went, "Kara died. She really died. She's gone." Soooo sad....
Agneshka 2 years ago 2
@Agneshka wait so when her ship blew up and she came back, everyone was just imagining her? she actually died?!
therealbellaoldani 1 year ago
@therealbellaoldani I don't think so. I think she was a ghost, or an angel or something. A guide sent back to show them to earth. But she definitely died in the crash.
Agneshka 1 year ago
Are you sure?
Usul573 1 year ago
i'm a GUY and i cried at this lol
yami88 2 years ago 42
@yami88 same bro
airsoftermatt22 1 year ago
Im so crying right now
sillyfilly101 2 years ago 18
Uh, ok, no kiss for Adama, not even a hug? Come on Kara, for godsake, it's now or never! O, wait, too late.
I'd be so pissed off if I were Lee...
And one question: When Lee wakes up and discovers the bird, is he on earth? Or is it another flashback?
FanaticalMusicFan 2 years ago
Lee is on Earth
dbassplayer 2 years ago 4
She does kiss Adama, and he kisses her, the scene for this video was cut after that
indysid 2 years ago 3
Flashback to the morning after Lee and Kara's table incident.
HisDivineShadow245 2 years ago 2
When Lee wakes up and sees the dove, it's the continuation, the morning after, he and Kara get drunk on Caprica--it's a flashback.
I think the moment with Lee and Kara was perfect, she was finished with what she HAD to do and that through her actions, she would never be forgotten.
TheoryInSplitting 2 years ago 5
"Good bye Kara.... you won't be forgotten."
Such a haunting scene.
macross25 2 years ago 4
i'd be like "where tha fuq u hidin kara?"
drealgrin 2 years ago
Ah, Starbuck.
rrlg1 2 years ago 4
I don't see Kara Thrace. I see an angel blazing with the light of God.
Tweek2050 2 years ago 4
Lee, you just got Cordelia-Chase-ed. (Kudos to anyone who knows what the hell im talking about, to those who don't, watch Angel)
remaftp 2 years ago 5
@remaftp Oh, man. I remember that. Very touching scene at the end of that episode. "You're welcome." And then *poof**
roman1967 1 year ago 2
I think the point of the scene with Kara and Lee back on Caprica is just another example of the destiny of it all. If Kara had cheated on Zak with Lee, she wouldn't have been engaged with Zak, and she wouldn't have passed him during his botched flight test, which eventually killed him. With that, she wouldn't have been susceptible to Leoben's "you're an angel Kara" talk and therefore wouldn't have followed her true calling to lead humanity to Earth.
CptApollo630 2 years ago 2
RDM suggested that Lee and Kara never really left that moment on the table.
AnonIonCannon 2 years ago
Oh cool which means it wasn't even possible for her not to fulfill her destiny
CptApollo630 2 years ago
poor lee...so heartbreaking : (
IA5208 2 years ago 3
How terrifying - to be on another world and some one you care deeply for disappears.
If it had been any one else and any other situation something sinister, not divine intervention, would have been the prevailing sensation.
How bittersweet for Apollo ...
He, Kara, Baltar & Caprica 6 are the only ones who know that there WAS a divine plan and influence...
Bittersweet...
privatecitizen27 2 years ago 3
I'm trying to find the theme that starts around 2:45 and ends around 3:45
1nonlyqaise1 2 years ago
Sounds like "Caprica City, Before the Fall" from the season 4 soundtrack to me.
AFlockOfMurkrows 2 years ago
It is Kara and Lee's love theme, this scene is on the season 4 soundtrack by Bear McCreary called starbuck disappears
rackon7 2 years ago
@1nonlyqaise1 In fact this theme has a very special name. Its called "Lee and Kara's love theme" and you can hear it numerous times in the show in situations when Lee and Kara are alone. You can hear it in the "Maelstrom" during the scene where Lee comforts Kara just before she goes with him on patrol, in "Unfinished bussines" where both of them kick each others asses in the ring etc.
holodock 1 year ago
@1nonlyqaise1 sounds like violence and variations, but much slower.
pliskin555 1 year ago
@1nonlyqaise1 It's Lee and Kara's love theme.
Here's an excerpt from Wiki: "Introduced in season three's "Unfinished Business", this piece accompanies the tempestuous affair between pilots Lee Adama and Kara Thrace. In the third season soundtrack, it features in the tracks "Violence and Variations", where it is interwoven with the Opera House (Passacaglia) theme, and "Under the Wing."
Also appears in episodes: Maelstrom, Six of One, Islanded in a Stream of Stars, Daybreak: Part 2".
lamadrugada 9 months ago
@lamadrugada Thanks! =D
1nonlyqaise1 8 months ago
All in all, one of the best shows ever - Kara was mesmerising.
rrlg1 2 years ago 3
few tv shows make me lose my breath from tragity.
nncon 2 years ago
i duno but its pretty horrible/sad and to tragic..
nncon 2 years ago
i agree with indysid, it makes sense when you think about harbinger of death. it's in how one looks at it. she was death as she died and came back to the human race
gnarkill24 2 years ago 2
When I saw the whole episode, I was so upset, I felt like my cat died again. When Starbuck vanished, I am just wondering, "Where did she go?" And my mom noted that this was sad for Lee, because now all his loved ones are gone: His family, Dee, his fiance on Caprica, and now Starbuck.
fhwgads2 2 years ago
I understand. Lee is all alone, he has a different destiny to fulfill. But now he has nothing to hold him back. You heard him, he wants to explore the world, could he do that with a wife and family in this kind of situation?
I think you would agree that he could not. Lee's destiny is a very special one, for he fought, played, loved and saved his people and all the while, an angel was by his side.
Perhaps his destiny is one of self discovery. For some of us, that may be all we ever have.
privatecitizen27 2 years ago 2
My... Oh god it would have been painful for Lee indeed. I mean, talk about a new life, a new beginning and then suddenly realize the person by your side was already dead.
JasdelMal 2 years ago
I wonder how they made Lee's hair look short for the flashbacks... cuz I know they were shot before the rest of the episode (They made a wig for Kara)
Nemesis000000 2 years ago
what about the words from the hybrid "you are the harbinger of doom Kara trace.
Epyon2007 2 years ago 4
She led everyone to their end and contributed to the Cylons losing their immortality.
HeyArnoldsspleen 2 years ago 4
"Harbinger of Death" Harbinger means bringer or carrier, Death doesn't mean necessarily a bad thing, Death is another part to another path, new begging or CHANGE, tarot cards sometimes refer to Death Cards as great change in ones life. Or many
indysid 2 years ago 4
Beginning*
indysid 2 years ago
Agreed, the finale made no sense/
worshipme213 2 years ago
Nothing but the rain...
flash06 2 years ago 4
what are you talking about? there is no other fleet, she's an angel sent by good to guide the humans to the promise land. Leoben said so himself.
harves01 2 years ago 4
Oops
Somethings broken
AnonIonCannon 2 years ago
where the hell does starbuck disappear to?
chewie211171 2 years ago 3
Kara died at the end of last season. She appeared back mysteriously. Shes actually an angel sent back from the powers that be to help guide the last remaining survivors to Earth(2). She doesn't even realize that she is an angel until everything makes sence when she keys in earths jump sequence into the battlestar. Her destiny is completed and so she goes away. Heaven i suppose.
xentry 2 years ago 5
She goes into the universe, breathes in cosmic dust, swimming in gas clouds, laughs are stars..... :)
indysid 2 years ago 2
laughs at stars*
indysid 2 years ago
Yeh i like that idea! :D
People seem to be taking the "God" part too seriously as well as the "angel" part. That's what they're called because we have no other name for them, but he doesn't like the name God and to assume he's "our" God and that Balter and 6 were literal angels direct from an earth religion is so short sighted of people!
lightlines109 2 years ago
@chewie211171
New Jersey
Usul573 1 year ago
There was so much I didn't like about the ending; however, I can't stop watching this scene. At first I couldn't believe that there was no sense of closure between Lee and Kara after all the history between the two, not even a friendly embrace. Jamie Bamber does such a good job portraying Lee's boyish exuberance when he is talking about his wishes to explore the new world, while Kara just stands there stoically with just the -- continued below
clays179 2 years ago
slightest hint of sadness in her expression, as if she completely understands what is about to happen. Maybe it is just my separation anxiety doing the talking here, but I honestly don't think the scene could have been done in any other way to maximise the emotional impact... a kind of ambivalent - suspended disbelief that tugs at the sentimental heartstrings. No matter how many times I see this scene it always hits me in the gut like a ton of bricks.
clays179 2 years ago 3
Kara vanished because her job was done here. Remember: There's another fleet out there somewhere where that other Kara came from. She's probably helping them now.
Coelacanth1938 2 years ago
Another fleet?
ldoddrell 2 years ago 2
That's where the dead Kara came from. There's evidence that there are several other fleets in existence, all led by an Adama, all commanding a Battlestar.
God is busy.
Coelacanth1938 2 years ago
What evidence?
ldoddrell 2 years ago
Well, for one thing, there's a dead Kara and the wreckage of the Viper she crashed in.
Coelacanth1938 2 years ago
Ron Moore made is clear that Kara was an angel sent from God. But she could only bring the knowledge of Earth and the special Viper back with her, if she died. Hence, the part of this episode where she talks about not being afraid of dieing (Maelstrom). Once she played her part in delivering the human race to the second Earth, God retrieved his angel. I think you've missed the point about Karas purpose.
ldoddrell 2 years ago
I don't understand this theory! Can you explain it to me?
lightlines109 2 years ago
Even though I'm a great lover of Galactica, I was disappointed with this ending, particularly what was done with Kara's character. Why kill off Starbuck then have her return screaming "We're going the wrong way!" only to have her lead them all to the old (wrong) cylon earth? Who put those coordinates in her viper? Where did she get that new viper? Her old viper exploded in space yet was on old earth mostly intact - how? Ron Moore opened so many plot lines he had no chance of tying them up!
eugene1 2 years ago 5
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its only a tv show...not real so it doesnt has to be understandable :D
jfhzo 2 years ago
Erm... Yeah... thanks for that ridiculously patronizing comment jfhzo that it's only a tv show & not real, like I didn't know. Clearly you & I differ on what we require from entertainment. I prefer to absorb & understand most of what I watch whilst you evidently prefer to have plot lines opened left, right and centre & never resolved... because it's only a tv show! I'll stick with my need for resolution thankyou because as any talented writer will tell you, a good script always has resolution.
eugene1 2 years ago
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yeah u know what? write in german so i can understand what ur talking about^^ and what du u want with talented writer? i wanna see u writing german^^ colloquial k?
jfhzo 2 years ago
WTF, you've lost me with all this rubbish about writing in German. We were discussing Galactica (in english I might add) and now you're urging me to take a German language course so you can understand me. You're nuts! auf Wiedersehen!!!
eugene1 2 years ago
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i lost u already wiht you first comment^^ yeah we ARE discussing about a tv show!! dont u get it?! it a fuckin show for entertainment!! ooh some1 here has doen his homework in german^^ im really proud of u^^ u would get a 1/A+ (for u sucker, if u dont understand german marks^^) bb dude
jfhzo 2 years ago
Whatever. You're boring me senseless. If you were a tv show, you'd have been cancelled already!
eugene1 2 years ago 3
U idiot of course its gotta make sense. i aint gonna let it off the hook cause its a tv program. DUMB ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tokenguy09 2 years ago
Makes sense to me.
Beelzeboogie 2 years ago
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Moron
HeyArnoldsspleen 2 years ago
how can anyone say this is shit because of
1. they went tribal?
2. they went into reliogious aspects?
3. the ending wasn't the ending you expected?
so what? this show entered teritories which other sci fis dared not to...
this programme will always be remembered as being ORIGINAL.
ps. starbuck has been remembered by a large chain of coffee shops :P
islanumblar 2 years ago 16
I love all the hidden meanings in this show . . . they should write a book on it.
anobody911 2 years ago 3
Why are people moaning about how Ron Moore copped out? it's his show, that's how he wanted it to end. The only reason you think he copped out is because it didn't end how YOU wanted it too. BSG was fantastic, I'm happy with how it ended.
DazTubez 2 years ago 4
by bluefives
Turns out Starbuck was pigeon.
why is it that everytime i wash my car some damn pigeon comes along an....
ProudlyFree 2 years ago
saying that kara led the races together to their ends doesn't even make any sense at all. harbinger of death,,, not!
they were sending the fleet into the sun to stop the cycle of death and violence. The two """ angels """ baltar and 6, said that odds are one of the cycles would not have to repeat itself.
So following this misbegotten logic, (which in no way is the best answer for the open plotholes leading to here) then she actually saves both races from more of the same and gives new hope.
ProudlyFree 2 years ago
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Ron Moore is a piece of shit for copping out this series the way he did so he could come back with his new series and any specials and still leave the story open to interpretation like this.
BALTAR could not have survived the nuclear detonation that destroyed his city, his house and the cylon standing beside.
ThIs was the biggest piece of crap i've ever seen.
ProudlyFree 2 years ago
why is is that now the show is over everyone is saying "baltar should not have survived in the miniseries"? face it, it happened! and If you wasted your time watching the whole show just to say that it was the biggest piece of crap... then that's your fault for watching it. i loved this show. PERIOD
islanumblar 2 years ago 3
something has always been watching out for baltar. even at the beginning of the series.you nimrod.
ricksexyy 2 years ago 4
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simply retarded. this was like George Lucus pissing the faces of the Star Wars fans
ptdnet 2 years ago
which george lucas did with the star wars prequels.
islanumblar 2 years ago
So how was Kara the harbinger of death?
anobody911 2 years ago 2
She led the "human" and "cylon" races, as they were, to their ends.
I wasn't happy with the god and angel components of everything, but it fit in with everything the show has done so far. And their portrayal of "god" as possibly a very advanced race that appears god-like makes it more bearable... although "God done it" is still a major cop-out, imo.
celticguy42 2 years ago 4
Ron Moore is a mormon, what do you expect... but i agree with you
Pvic 2 years ago
A harbinger is a "signpost" of "a sign of things to come." So you could read it either as a sign pointing to death or, as I now do, death pointing to the future. She was the "signpost" to Earth and "new" Earth. So I simply think of her as "the dead signpost" to salvation. She completed her mission in death because she couldn't do it in life. I think the ambiguity is great because aren't prophecies always ambiguous and subject to interpretation?
pantsmart 2 years ago 2
Nothing beats the line "I know about farming". It's an instant classic.
sbrenn 2 years ago 6
I wanted to cry when she left. I seriously thought they were the tragic couple of current tv.
joshuenosmith 2 years ago
Turns out Starbuck was pigeon.
bluefives 2 years ago
No, she was an angel sent by god and the pigeon was a symbolic reference to her being stuck in limbo, between life and death i.e. stuck in the house as the pigeon and unable to get through the window.
Zombiefruit 2 years ago 2
They used a similar theme - a bird - in the last minutes of " Blade Runner ", maybe this is a coincidence, maybe not.....
knoxvilleguy2 2 years ago
Lt. Gaff -> Cmdr. Adama -> Edward James Olmos has been contrasting our inhumanity towards one another and showing the rest of us the importance of trying to be humane to one another for some time now, now hasn't he.
So whether its' Replicants and Humans or Cylons and Humans or just Humans and Humans, the message does seem pretty thematically consistent.
proadmin1 2 years ago 3
AHHH, Starbucks a Replicant... shoot her, shoot her! Then the Admiral can leave a little paper crane on her body.
mikdatv 2 years ago 2
A perfect Blade Runner / BSG tie - in. Kara = " I've..... Seen things..... you people wouldn't believe..... Space cruisers on fire of the shoulder of Orion...... The glitter of C - Beams ..... Time to die ", you know.
knoxvilleguy2 2 years ago 3
They should've kept some material from some of the ships, unless they were afraid of contaminating the timeline with anachronistic technology. Other than that, A wonderful " wrap - up ".Reminded me a bit of Hitch-Hiker's Guide - The BBC series, too.
knoxvilleguy2 2 years ago
you are the harvenger of death kara thrace
supermanfan62 2 years ago
I loved Lee saying so boyishly exuberantly " I wanna explore ! " & then finding Kara gone. She had done her job. Maybe she was like the Ascended Ancients of the Stargate universe. What about it ? She was their " Oma Desala " for a while.
knoxvilleguy2 2 years ago 2
Damn, I loved that episode. It ranks up there with " Goodbye, Farewell & Amen " & Star Trek TNG's " Journey's End ". Th scene with Kara & Lee was both confusing & it sorta kinda brought a tear to my macho eye. It also reminded me of the finale of Babylon 5 ( Dying leader, destruction of the ship / station ). Bravo !!!
knoxvilleguy2 2 years ago 2
Yeah, I was definitely reminded of the Babylon 5 ending. Basically because Moore and Co, did as JMS did and wrote a giant 4 year arc and got to play it to the end. TNG was a lot more uneven, I was reminded of the Inner Light or Tapestry.
proadmin1 2 years ago
" Daybreak Pt II " seemed to reflect some of the moments from B5's " Sleeping in Light ". The dying leader being Roslin rather than Adama though. People will be talking about BSG for YEARS, folks. YEARS !!
knoxvilleguy2 2 years ago 3
ugh!! i cant believe how she left like that, not even a goodbye, jeez... i felt cheat it after all of that....
Lilatx25 2 years ago
One day people will better understand this show.
I too see angels, spirits outer body experiences etc.
There is a creative force that is within us all and it's part of the whole universe.
400oakley20 2 years ago
I'm rather upset this clip didn't include the classic Kara/Adama line "What do'ya hear Starbuck?"
"Nothing but the rain..." "Then Grab ur gun & bring in the cat"
Deep6recovery 2 years ago 2
I had invested a lot of time and faith in this series ,i could site here and take it apart .but a choose to ignore the endings insulting flaws .and say I enjoyed . A cop out ?hell yes but if I think about to much ill hurt someone.
MUDSHARK111 2 years ago
i cried so hard in this she was like a ghost u know it was so sad yet kina peacful knowing that she finly has peace,,goodby kara you will never be forgeten...
23DEATHNUMBER 2 years ago
I think she was more than an angel - she had a life of suffering, died, was ressurected and then kind of ascended somewhere... it seems more Christ like ... i am not religious at all, but it does seem to fit that. Whatever Starbuck was, Katee Sackhoff was fantastic in the role, along wth Olmos and McDonnell the real centre of the show.
rrlg1 2 years ago 2
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I think Starbuck was a human who died on Cyrth and was resurected because she had unfinished business. In season one Leobn told her, her life was full of pain, the end of the journey meant the pain was over and she could have peace
brucestringbean 2 years ago
I think Starbuck was a human who died on Cyrth and was resurected because she had unfinished business. In season one Leobn told her, her life was full of pain, the end of the journey meant the pain was over and she could have peace
brucestringbean 2 years ago
the writers wrote themselves into a corner and pulled this bullshit scene out of their asses so they wouldn't have to explain anything.
Unclesamslair 2 years ago
They did explain everything. LOL
HeyArnoldsspleen 2 years ago
by chalking it up to "God" yeah right. very creative.
Unclesamslair 2 years ago
Unclesamslair is exactly right.
rhynerisdead 2 years ago
@Unclesamslair No, I think Moore thought of just about every possible rational explanation for why Kara returned from the grave and realized that they were all either done before in another sci-fi setting or that the fans thought of them all and argued each and every scenario to death. Why not do something no one will expect?
I believe that a rational explanation (Kara being a Cylon, etc) would have been the easy cop-out ending, not this particular one.
TheLastBrainLeft 1 year ago
Most beautiful ending to an absolutely extraordinary show. An unforgettable masterpiece!
vicarious113 2 years ago 3
I still think that a hug or touch when he moved towards her would have given this moment more closure. the ending did their character's no justice, especially since they were so tight, so entwined, the could not break apart. An ending that closed that door, and maybe confirmed she was some kind of spirit would have been better for me. Athough, this still makes be cry.
koft2009 2 years ago 2
I agree. The die hard Sam/Kara people say that the ending suited all their characters but I disagree. Yes, their relationship never seemed to work, they were bad for each other, blah, blah...but frak me a small embrace wouldn't have killed anyone right?
Wilfamy 2 years ago
The thin I liked the most about the whole God thing was that it wasn't God or Gods, it was a force of nature. And makes it lovable for us none religious people to;)
BSG and Gaius Baltar is the best:D
norsknerd 2 years ago
Kinda of pissed when i first saw it and i am still a little ambivalent about this scene...I get the symbolism and this was able to cause a bigger emotional "damage" but i wanted these two to end up together... from the beginning there was chemistry and a happy ending would have been perfect...I know it sounds sappy and predictable, but still it was a great finale
blandlife4ever 2 years ago 2
or at least some kind of ending for Lee. His father leaves, never to return. Kara leaves. What was he left with? Exploring? Poor Lee.
Wilfamy 2 years ago
even though explaining Kara's return away as being an angel sounds a bit, well, daft, it was really fitting and I dont know why lol
the thing about God and his "angels" also fitted in quite nicely when really it could have been disastrous for the ending of the series. I guess head0six wasnt lying in that ep of season2
amezzeray2 2 years ago
Holy mother-frakking ow! Tragic, yet somewhat fitting end for the Piloticians.
TisforToaster 2 years ago 2