SO refreshing to hear an IWC bring some of these points about Bret. Usually it's all Shawn bashing, especially when it comes to SS97.
Bret Hart fans are like Led Zepplin fans and Star Wars fans. Some of the most humorless people on the planet and you don't dare bring up any criticism about them.
and no he didnt have a bad back before the royal rumble yet again internet forums unfortunatly truthslayer you are biased and misinformed should bret have lost yes but your biansess gets in the way
truthslayer explain to me how hart threw a hissy fit please do i would love for you to explain to me and where did you get that basis that hart didnt like austin that is not true please dont tell me your a biased shawn michaels fan because that is just as bad as a biased hart fan
The whole Reason was Because he told shawn that he would be fine with wrestling shawn and told him that even though they had their differences that he make sure that they had a save match and would not argue having to drop the belt to him. Shawn told him in return that he couldn't promise the same, giving him no respect. And thats what it says in his book.
yes, in his contract he was given creative control for his character for the last month he was in the wwe. and since he was leaving for wcw he was supposed to be able to decide anything he wanted, and he said to vince that he would drop it to anyone but shawn.
Bret wanted to drop the belt before survivor series on the raw before but didnt because Vince wanted to Push the Hart vs. Michaels match which Bret lost a match to HHH before this and felt that WWE was taking liberties with his creative control. If he didnt want to drop the belt he didnt have to his contract gave him that right you cant argue that
Ok i am a big Bret Hart Fan No i am not Canadian. I just wanted to add that I feel Bret was protecting his character and interests and as far as time honored tradition Hogan was suppose to drop to Bret and never did instead he dropped to Yoko it was said that Bret was willing to drop the belt on Raw to Ken Shamrock
Bret, Vince and Eric...there were waaay more people involved in the entire operation ..Brisco, Hebner, Rude, Shane and mostly HHH (according to bret's book)...but if u meant directly, yes bret vs vince
i'm sick and tired of hearing all these bret hart marks saying shit like "shawn disrespected him at mania" "he didn't want to job to shawn in canada"
bret didn't want to drop the belt to hbk becasue of their personal differences, vince didn't want bret to leave with the belt, and show up on nitro with it. and it's understandable.
bret should have done the job, mcmahon could have come up with another way to go about things without the whole screwjob. there was fault on both sides, but i can see why vince did what he did and again i understand that.
Why is Bret expected to be the bigger man and honour tradition, but Vince not expected to be the bigger man and honour his contract. HBK's lack of respect has as much to do with Bret's feelings and Bichoff's BS has to do with Vince's, so why is all this put on Bret?
I will agree with u. Also Bret didnt want to at his home state or country. I know did like Shawn at the time and remember watching that show I was confused for what happen. But now looking back at it, it was all but fact to set up Austin.
listen we all wish it never happend... but can u blame vince? look wat wcw did when madusa came with the womens belt. they couldn't have that happening 2 the top title in the division. so yea, i gotta agree with vince n wwe.
all of them of wrong to a degree. My thing is, you don't sign a talent to a contract that say they have control over how they leave. That's to risky and that was in Bret's contract. I think he should have dropped but hey. Vince gave him that contract
I don't unbderstand how Bret held the WWE hostage. He wasn't the champion, WWE didn't have to resighn Bret they could have let him go to WCW. All Bret did was try and get the best deal he could. Why is it smart Buisness when Vince does it, but Bret is holding them "Hostage".
Vince just didn't want another Medusa incident. Especially with the WORLD TITLE. I mean He had another wrestler going to that same company, while carrying a title. He had the right to be cautious.
Do you think Bret really would have done that. Besides who's ti say Trish wouldn't have turned around and popped up in TNA with the WWE Women's Titile.
You forget everything I typed here, and consider this. 1) Vince sighned a contract allowing Bret creative controle. 2) Vince asked Bret to let him out of the contract 3)Micheal broke tradition when he chose to disrespect Bret behind the seans so why should Bret do ANYTHING for Shawn. 4) Vince told Bret he could leave on his own terms, ther fore he gave Bret permition to break tradition. (good vid 4 stars).
Trish Stratus wasn't forced to drop the belt. You also leave out the fact that Bret and Vince agreed not to talk about his leaving and then Vince alowed it to get out that Bret was leaving for the money. The Leverage Bret used would have been smart buisness if it was Vince who did it.
There's a difference between retiring and being on good terms with the company(Trish), and refusing to drop the belt and also having a pretty much ready made deal with your employer's main competitor.
So he does a bull shit finnish, and if I am a writer I tell Eric put a belt on him and play of the Screw Job. Then you do a Mock unification match between Bret and Hogan some where down the line. Presto WCW still comes out on top. Unfortunetly they didn't think like me.
Brett hated Hogan more than hbk. no way in hell that would have happend. he wouldn't have jobbed to hogan. and hogan would have thrown a bigger hissy fit than brett threw. over the whole thing.
i like bret hart to death but i agree with truthslayer that bret should have job to micheals at ss. ur just bias at wwe, kevin.
people stop hating on vince he did what he had to do for his company. bret could have went to nitro and trashed the the title there like what madusa did to the women's title. shit like that what made me support wwe at the time than wcw.
By the way i am a big Bret Hart fan and i do agree that there is no way he had nothing to do it with what happened,But cum on for god sake knw its its a decade ago i think its time to let it go people and remeber what they all have done for the company and as individuals those who were involved in the screwjob all have done a great deal for the company no matter who u like r dislike
dude i like ur videos and sum of the stuff u are saying is true but other stuff is just crap Bret Hart supported the arrival of Steve Austin to wwe and not only thatVince Mcmahon said this also i dont think any of us know the true situations of the montral screwjob enough that we cnt really comment about it, also i personally believe if your invovled in the company thats the only you could comment properly on this.
It isnt about Shawn or Vince. Bret was an employee of the WWF. He should have gone out in a dress if they told him to. Wrestling isnt about winning anyway but his ego couldnt let him lose. He should have lost cleanly, how many guys lost cleanly to him without crying? He was fortunate to get teh title push in the first place, he should be classy enough to give it up.
ok main reason vince was scared of bret leaving with thre belt is because of what alundra blaze(medusa) did to the womens title, she went on nitro and dumped it in the fucking trash....then again fast forward to yrs in the future and we have rhino doing the same thing with the ecw title...i mean atleast respect the belt that the promoter gave u, dont think just cause u were GIVEN the belt means u can piss all over the traditon it holds....
i know people will bring up what shane douglas did with the nwa belt, and again im not a fan of that either but blame paul e. on that one, he had shane cut that promo on the belt and was in the back completely playing off to the nwa higher ups saying that this is allll part of the show and its for an angle, which as we later found out wasnt the case...but anyways, thats why promoters dont like having people walk away with the strap....
look what flair did when he came to wwf first, he was wearing the fucking wcw world title belt and claiming he was the true champion....look at the angle with hall vs michaels when they both had the ic belt cause shawn didnt wanna send his belt back to vince
I am a big Bret Hart fan, but I do think that what you have said in this video about him dropping the belt was in fact the right thing to do. Great Vid again truthslayer.
instead of meeting up which seems odd and creepy to me then why dosent bill n doung openly challenge truthslayer on youtube if they are that ready to bury him. maybe they just want to meet up personally so they can go back on youtube and manipulate the story of what would of happened.
at the end f the day, bret hart worked 4 the wwf, he has to do wot they tell him too, if im in work and i just say im not gonna do summin i get fired, bret was told to drop the title he shud have dropped the belt cause his boss told him 2, if he wasnt willin to drop the belt he shoulda just sed ok fine, give me the blet, get out we'll find some1 else 4 SS
this vid had a bit of lag and audio problems, just making u aware, good vid though i completely agree and u seem to have a much better grasp of the situation than anyone else whose tried to explain it
Bret Hart is a moaning asshole.He should have took the job, left to WCW and thats the end of that. But being the egomaniac Bret Hart was he wouldnt do that, yes it was bad at the time but 10 years on hes stil moaning non stop
WM12 hissy fit from Bret after the match, first time I heard this. I had read that Bret accepted the job but HBK had to the job next year, cuz Bret wanted to take time off. Bret didn't like the company direction, but Bret and Austin got along very well during the feud, Austin was pissed at Owen for the piledriver at Summerslam, but Bret said in many interviews he liked the Austin character and got along with him during the feud(it's compatible with the WWE direction).
I left this as a comment on McMahonHater's video, but you do what the promoter wants you to do. You drop the belt when he wants you lose to this guy you lose to that guy. I think regardless of Bret being "screwed"(and rightfully so) in Montreal, if he did the job, people from Montreal would still be putting heat on HBK today.
i agree on most points but the reason Bret threw a hissy fit was because HBK told him to GTFO out of the ring it was his moment. Just thought id note you at that.
Well said, people can mope and feel sorry for Bret as much as they want, but the truth will always be that he should have done the job and not let his ego get in the way. He forced himself and Vince into that situation and then came out of it looking just as bad as Vince, Shawn, Hebner and whoever else people like to blame. It was unprofessional on both sides but one side has managed to move on and forget about it.
well vince shouldnt have let bret believe the match would end with a run in and let him believe he can give up the belt on raw. Vince should not give him creative control on his last 30 days in his contract. Vince should not have given bret a contract which he couldn't pay.
the reason vince decieved him was because bret wouldnt let himself go out any other way since bret couldnt promise that bischof wont say that he signed bret live 1 hour before the last raw bret was to appear on. its tradition to drop the belt to whoever the boss thinks is the next best thing and it was also vinces orders which brets ego would not let himself follow so vince did the only thing he could because of brets insubordination for his bosses orders.
the story i alway heard was, bret, wanted to come out, the next night on raw, and give up the bet, to shawn, and bert can leave with his head still high, and i also, heard that, russo, told vince, the best idea is to, screw bert, but not to sure how true that is? but i still and will also, think, vince screwed bert!
Because if we are talking about time honoured traditions wrestlemania 13 was suppose to be hbk bret 2 in which bret was suppose to win...however shawn did not want to do that and used his knee injury as an excuse in that regard hbk owed bret and he messed up a years worth of plans
One last thing, Dave Melzer isn't a "Bret Hart Fan" so far as I know. So how do you explain him reporting the things he did (in cluding who was in on the screw job) if he is so respected for being unbiased.
You mean the things you talked about on your vid? You left out ALOT of stuff as you didn't even talk about the bischoff side of things which is a major factor in what happend. and in the vid you only talked about SHAWN very little talk about Vince.
You left out the point that the reason why Bret was pissed off after WM was that Shawn had been disrespectful then as well. You also forgot the fact that several wrestlers (including Taker) had sided with Bret, and Rick Rude jumped over to WCW because of what they did to Bret.
people forget, Vince had NO PROBLEMS WHAT-SO-EVER letting Ric Flair debut in the WWF holding the WCW title, which he called the "real world championship"
Vince was and is the same size of bastard that bischoff was and is
The difference being, is that the belt Flair came to WWE with was HIS property, and not the property of WCW. Before Flair had his own custom belt, the NWA/WCW were using the title that TNA was using before they got the TNA title belt.. Also, Vince didn't want to take the chance of Bret showing up on Nitro with the WWF title belt and throw it in the trash like Alundra Blayze/Medusa did
I dont believe that.. I believe Vince screwed him because he refused to job to HBK... not the fact that he would show up on WCW with the belt. Anyone leaving the company is expected to do a job on leaving. Bret refused to do it. Of course the belt being on nitro would have been bad but thats just half the story. Also, I understand about flair's belt, but vince still tried to sell it as the WCW belt, what with it being blurred up on TV and all that crap.
No it means he's a bitch who can dish it out, but not take it. Besides I don't think Bret would have done that. What was to stop them from giving bret a belt and saying he was the real champion anyway.
Don't blame McMahon's crooked crap on Bishoff. You put all this on bret but if Vince had played it straight he could have walked away the BIGGER man, did you ever think about that?
bah. Eric is and was a whinny bitch. Vince had every right to defend his company. Bichoff had already thrown one belt in the trash. you can't tell me he wouldn't placed stupid amounts of money in Brett's hands to throw the world title into the trash. if that had happend the wwf would have taken a massive hit.
Believing that the match would end with a run in and then get swerved was and is out of order. after the hard work Bret put into the then WWF, he didn't deserve such a poor ending. I think Bret would have given up the belt with dignity on the next nights raw after the Survivor Series but we will never know. Its a shame that such a legendary career has been and still is ruined because of the screwjob, and its a bigger shame that most will remember Bret as "the guy who was screwed"
I have watched wrestling with shadows, and I know bret wanted a run in finish... so whats your point? Im saying that the fact Bret believed that the match would end with a run in and then get swerved was out of order. read before posting.
Surendering the title in Ottawa is the one I've heard most. As for tradition, it's bull shit. Traditions in wrestling almost chainge every 6 weeks. According to Mick Foley's book Bret had discussed Angles that would put the belt on either Austin or Mick himself.
Tslay, where did you hear that Bret Hart didn't like Steve Austin? Both Bret and Austin have both sayed (off the record) that they were very fond of eachother and enjoyed eachothers matches. I thought it was Hart who pushed Vince to sign Austin. Add the fact that Austin inducted him into the hall of fame (lets face it, hart wouldnt let himself be inducted by someone he didnt like) and both of them cold shouldered hogan at the HOF ceremony
Um you need to do some research AT the time they where not so buddy buddy as Heart didn't like the Austin Charicter at all and. As far as Austin the Non-Wrestler I am sure they where fine but as far Austin the charicter Not so much.
please tell me where you got that from truthslayer no offense i see you as a biased fan who doesnt like hart bret hart has said he thought the austin character was great he chose to work with austin the only thing he didnt like was the the racism angles the sex angles he has never and i repeat never said he had a problem with stone cols im afraid u are living off anti-hart internet forums
Actually one of the reasons why bret was pissed was during that iron man match after bret had told him he would put him over shawn yelled at him to get out the ring and he did the same to hebner which hart found disrespectful. Shawn owed bret and h owed the fans but lost his "smile"
So disrespectiful that he wanted to leave the WWF even though acording to MamahonHater he never really wanted to? Was shawn a dick yes. But again NON of that has to do with what happend between Vince and Shawn.
Yes it does, you talk about tradition, well respect for putting someone over is part of it. Talking shit to a respected performer like Bret goes against tradition. HBK was a punk, and Vince told Bret he could leave how he wanted, so Bret was right and Vince was wrong.
If you go to Bill Apter's website someone posted a column on this subject and he goes into what happened from his perspective of working their at the time. After I read what he wrote I emailed him back saying that he left out the most important part Madussa and Eric Bishchoff and he agree that situation made Vince so paranoid so thats why Vince did what he did.
Do you really think Bret would have one something like that? He didn't even want to leave WWE. And one thinh Slayer is leaving out is that if Bret did use leverage (and he did) so what, Vince does the same thing now that there isn't anywhere elts for wrestlers to go to make good money.
Now, I don't know any of the actual numbers that were thrown out there by WWF and WCW, but I was under the impression that WCW threw out a HUGE offer to Bret Hart, which he turned down to stay with the WWF, the year before he signed the 20 year deal.
I don't understand why you are so pissed because Bret tried to get the best deal he could for his skills. Why is it so bad for him to do it, but if McMahon did it you would call him a smart buissness man. Bret should be penalised for being smart as well.
The 20 year deal that Bret signed with WWF was more than enough to set him up for life.
As a favor to Vince, seeing the financial straights of WWF, Bret optioned out of the deal, with Vince's blessing, and went to see the deal he could get from WCW.
Vince's #1 heel was Austin, #1 face was Michaels and he was stuck with Hart still around.
The more I look at it, the more I see how wrong Vince actually was.
I don't know amd thats the rub. Vince couldn't afford to take that chance then any more then he could a few years later with JJ and the Intercontinental title.
I agree it was wrong to keep going after what had happend with Owen. but they were in a no win situation at the time. they need that money, and something horrfic had just happend. bad deal all around.
great vid. right on the money. Brett was a whinny bitch, wasn't even thinking about how the fallout would have been for everyone else. hell they could have been out a job. with rent/morg and bills to pay. beeing sent into bankrupty. Brett was in the wrong. and Vince should have hit him with a base ball bat. again kicks ass vid Josh.
Vince couldn't hit bret with a base ball bat he was to buisy napping in the corner of the locker room after bret kayed his lying back stabing ass out.
ok. maybe the bat was a little out of line. but I still think Brett should have been a bigger man about it. yes Shawn was a prick, and he could still be one. but that's got nothing to do with how to leave a company with class. my point is that Brett should have forgoten about shawn. and remembered all the guys who he did respect. And done it for them and his own legacy. Eric would have shoved stupid money in front of him to throw the belt in the trash. he did it with Madusa.
And Bret would have told Eric NO, because he wouldn't have had the belt, because he would have handed it over to Vince before he left the stadium in Montreal. Unlike Trish who took it with her, and had legal documents sent to her telling her to return it.
perhaps. but we will never know for sure. besides at the time, bret was hacked off at Vince anyway. and I can't fault Vince for it. in the back of his mind had to be, Eric and his tons of money. Can't tell me Eric wouldn't have liked to have done it. didn't know Trish had title napped the womens title.
Dude i agree with you alot but you are wrong about this and it really seems like you are going right from wrestling with shadows and its kind of makeing you look like a mark.
Plus, you say that the title shouldn't be given up yet it has before when Vince won it he forfeited it so tradition wasn't followed there. I still maintain that Bret should have lost to Shawn on the Raw before the show in a impromptu match and with a screwy finish leading to Bret Vs. Shawn as champ. Therefore the DQ finish could go ahead.
it shouldn't be given up when a guy is LEAVING a company that is what i am talking about the only time that didn't happen was when Flair left for the WWF
You go against what other insiders have said. I have read what all the respected journalists wrote and he was annoyed at WrestleMania as Shawn said to him "Get the fuck out the ring, this is my moment". And Vince offered the contract to stop him going to WCW. If Bret wasn't loyal he would have left then and gotten the better money contract.
Annoyed?!?!? and that is why he took of for HOW LONG? WCW didn't offer him more money than WWF did WWF offered the biger contract which is why he stayed it was just backloaded in pay.
And so because Bret made a smart buisness move you claim he held the WWE hostage? That makes no sence. If there had been no WCW offer Bret would have gone back for less money and then Vince would have been getting a bargan, so would Vince be black mailing Bret then? It works both ways TSlay.
I am not saying it doesn't but Bret threw a fit like it or not he did. Do I blame him for wanting more money No not at all. But Bret was not a saint in this deal like you made him seem to be.
What Bret really screwed was the pooch in WCW, I think El Dandy was more over with the fans than he was. His WCW career was underwhelming. Anyone remember NWO 2000??? I didn't thino so hahahaha.
My only gripe with your points is the fact that Bret could've easily dropped the belt, on the following RAW.
It was an OK request to leave WWE still looking strong in Canada.
In any city in the US, or outside of Canada, Bret should have readily done the job to Michaels.
But, Canada was, and is, Bret's home territory.
You don't ask Piper to job in Portland. You don't ask Lawler to job in Memphis. You don't ask the Von Erich's to job in Texas. You shouldn't have asked Bret to job in Canada.
I can honestly say that i have no idea if Bischoff would've spoiled, in my opinion, the only real OUT in the situation.
Bischoff had already thrown one belt in the trash by that time, if I remember right, so Vince really had no reason to believe that this situation would be any different.
If I was in Vince's shoes, what would I have done? I'm not sure.
Being a Hart fan, I would have probably booked some multi-man match, getting the belt off of Bret and to Shawn, without Bret taking the pin, and then book the rematch for RAW, having Michaels go over Bret clean there.
That way Hart leaves looking strong in Canada, Michaels get's his heat back from Hart, and business gets done right.
I don't know what the actual card ended up looking like, so this might be impossible to execute, but bear with me.
Found the WWF '97 roster, and looking at the top six guys, excluding Austin, they could've booked a fatal four way, with Michaels, Hart, Undertaker and Vader/Taker's feud.
A whacky ending later, Michaels walks out with the belt and Hart walks out, strong ,with the need for a rematch.
No, the problem is Vince can't handle someone saying no to him, cause he is a little punk who likes to play with peoples lives. When I see Steph unempleyed for being a crappy booker then I'll believe other wise.
Give me a break, you may have a point if the match took place in Calgary but it didn't.
The actual reason behind the screw job has absolutely nothing to do with Canada, HBK, HHH, the ref, Vince or anyone else employed by WWF at the time including Brett.
The entire reason for it was Eric Bischoff and Madussa.
exxtacy, dont be so stupid. Vince screwed Bret, and HBK and Earl Hebner were instrumental in the swerve.. as in they knew it was going to happen when the bell rung.
People forget that Vince had no problems whatsoever letting Ric Flair debut in WWF with the WCW belt
He said on his video biography that he didn't want to do in montreal and he thought he was relinquinishing on raw due to in ring interfence.
TruStory007 3 years ago
SO refreshing to hear an IWC bring some of these points about Bret. Usually it's all Shawn bashing, especially when it comes to SS97.
Bret Hart fans are like Led Zepplin fans and Star Wars fans. Some of the most humorless people on the planet and you don't dare bring up any criticism about them.
sserpent21 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
truthslayer is a lying cunt. bret said he wouldn't lose it in canada, that's all
rohstylesfuckinsucks 3 years ago
and no he didnt have a bad back before the royal rumble yet again internet forums unfortunatly truthslayer you are biased and misinformed should bret have lost yes but your biansess gets in the way
reloadingthegun 3 years ago
too right mate, truthslayer is a piece of shit
rohstylesfuckinsucks 3 years ago
truthslayer explain to me how hart threw a hissy fit please do i would love for you to explain to me and where did you get that basis that hart didnt like austin that is not true please dont tell me your a biased shawn michaels fan because that is just as bad as a biased hart fan
reloadingthegun 3 years ago
hes sutch a f,n dork
thebloodwise999 3 years ago
Safe*
ThankHeaven4Seven11 4 years ago
The whole Reason was Because he told shawn that he would be fine with wrestling shawn and told him that even though they had their differences that he make sure that they had a save match and would not argue having to drop the belt to him. Shawn told him in return that he couldn't promise the same, giving him no respect. And thats what it says in his book.
ThankHeaven4Seven11 4 years ago
yes, in his contract he was given creative control for his character for the last month he was in the wwe. and since he was leaving for wcw he was supposed to be able to decide anything he wanted, and he said to vince that he would drop it to anyone but shawn.
ThankHeaven4Seven11 4 years ago
Bret wanted to drop the belt before survivor series on the raw before but didnt because Vince wanted to Push the Hart vs. Michaels match which Bret lost a match to HHH before this and felt that WWE was taking liberties with his creative control. If he didnt want to drop the belt he didnt have to his contract gave him that right you cant argue that
Mike86boy 4 years ago
Ok i am a big Bret Hart Fan No i am not Canadian. I just wanted to add that I feel Bret was protecting his character and interests and as far as time honored tradition Hogan was suppose to drop to Bret and never did instead he dropped to Yoko it was said that Bret was willing to drop the belt on Raw to Ken Shamrock
Mike86boy 4 years ago
BTW GREAT "next day on raw" comment, i never knew or thought about that, that plays a huge factor into everything, nice find
nigga62089 4 years ago
Bret, Vince and Eric...there were waaay more people involved in the entire operation ..Brisco, Hebner, Rude, Shane and mostly HHH (according to bret's book)...but if u meant directly, yes bret vs vince
nigga62089 4 years ago
I have been voicing this same argument for years.
i'm sick and tired of hearing all these bret hart marks saying shit like "shawn disrespected him at mania" "he didn't want to job to shawn in canada"
bret didn't want to drop the belt to hbk becasue of their personal differences, vince didn't want bret to leave with the belt, and show up on nitro with it. and it's understandable.
DAZZLE280 4 years ago
bret should have done the job, mcmahon could have come up with another way to go about things without the whole screwjob. there was fault on both sides, but i can see why vince did what he did and again i understand that.
DAZZLE280 4 years ago
Why is Bret expected to be the bigger man and honour tradition, but Vince not expected to be the bigger man and honour his contract. HBK's lack of respect has as much to do with Bret's feelings and Bichoff's BS has to do with Vince's, so why is all this put on Bret?
McMahonHater 4 years ago
lol feelings
MosesJesusFriends4ev 4 years ago
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wweguruy2j 4 years ago
Both you and McMahonHater provide very good arguements about the Montreal Screwjob.
AFreakyDude 4 years ago
I will agree with u. Also Bret didnt want to at his home state or country. I know did like Shawn at the time and remember watching that show I was confused for what happen. But now looking back at it, it was all but fact to set up Austin.
Hexagramdef 4 years ago
screw job...
surenopimp 4 years ago
listen we all wish it never happend... but can u blame vince? look wat wcw did when madusa came with the womens belt. they couldn't have that happening 2 the top title in the division. so yea, i gotta agree with vince n wwe.
DoctorThuganomics215 4 years ago 3
Is all of this info from many, many, many years of reading the observer & wrestling gospip sites? Coz that's A LOT of DETAILED... info. lol
heavysound 4 years ago
its a acting job like any other so you got to do follow the script
mikie1973 4 years ago
sorry for giving this video 4 stars i meant to give it 5 i went happy on the clicking and i clicked the wrong one
imnotanoob1 4 years ago
all of them of wrong to a degree. My thing is, you don't sign a talent to a contract that say they have control over how they leave. That's to risky and that was in Bret's contract. I think he should have dropped but hey. Vince gave him that contract
chucky1x 4 years ago
I don't unbderstand how Bret held the WWE hostage. He wasn't the champion, WWE didn't have to resighn Bret they could have let him go to WCW. All Bret did was try and get the best deal he could. Why is it smart Buisness when Vince does it, but Bret is holding them "Hostage".
McMahonHater 4 years ago
does it matter, it happened 10 years ago?
brooklynornothin 4 years ago
Yes, because if Vince could screw Bret after after 15 years of loyalty then he could do it to anybody.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
Accept Vince did not screw anyone.
EXXXTACY69 4 years ago
Vince just didn't want another Medusa incident. Especially with the WORLD TITLE. I mean He had another wrestler going to that same company, while carrying a title. He had the right to be cautious.
MosesJesusFriends4ev 4 years ago
Do you think Bret really would have done that. Besides who's ti say Trish wouldn't have turned around and popped up in TNA with the WWE Women's Titile.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
Vince had more then enough reason to think that and I am sure that it was part of Brett's deal.
EXXXTACY69 4 years ago
I dunno, did anyone really think Medusa would have done it?
Nope.
MosesJesusFriends4ev 4 years ago
McMahonHater just made a video response to this video.
AFreakyDude 4 years ago
You forget everything I typed here, and consider this. 1) Vince sighned a contract allowing Bret creative controle. 2) Vince asked Bret to let him out of the contract 3)Micheal broke tradition when he chose to disrespect Bret behind the seans so why should Bret do ANYTHING for Shawn. 4) Vince told Bret he could leave on his own terms, ther fore he gave Bret permition to break tradition. (good vid 4 stars).
McMahonHater 4 years ago
Just so you know, I like both you and McMahonHater. Both of you make very good points about the Montreal Screwjob.
AFreakyDude 4 years ago
completly right truthslayer, i agree 100%.
another great vid which i give 5 stars.
bradmaster13 4 years ago
Trish Stratus wasn't forced to drop the belt. You also leave out the fact that Bret and Vince agreed not to talk about his leaving and then Vince alowed it to get out that Bret was leaving for the money. The Leverage Bret used would have been smart buisness if it was Vince who did it.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
There's a difference between retiring and being on good terms with the company(Trish), and refusing to drop the belt and also having a pretty much ready made deal with your employer's main competitor.
IKnowsWrestling 4 years ago
Bret made that deal with WCW with Vince's ok, in fact Vince put it in writing.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
K? And? Vince still had his rights to be paranoid and take his belt back at the possible thought of Bret disgracing it on TV with another company.
IKnowsWrestling 4 years ago
So he does a bull shit finnish, and if I am a writer I tell Eric put a belt on him and play of the Screw Job. Then you do a Mock unification match between Bret and Hogan some where down the line. Presto WCW still comes out on top. Unfortunetly they didn't think like me.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
John Cena getting all the belts would have been a better finish.
IKnowsWrestling 4 years ago
Brett hated Hogan more than hbk. no way in hell that would have happend. he wouldn't have jobbed to hogan. and hogan would have thrown a bigger hissy fit than brett threw. over the whole thing.
TraciPeteyforlife 4 years ago
yes but didnt brett have creative control in his contract which gave him the right to refuse the job hbk
the0neand0nly000 4 years ago
Eric Bischoff & Vince McMahon gets blamed for all the bad things that took place but never any credit for the good things.
4everpowerful 4 years ago
i like bret hart to death but i agree with truthslayer that bret should have job to micheals at ss. ur just bias at wwe, kevin.
people stop hating on vince he did what he had to do for his company. bret could have went to nitro and trashed the the title there like what madusa did to the women's title. shit like that what made me support wwe at the time than wcw.
ECWpaul963 4 years ago
I totally agree, very well said.
AshManson 4 years ago
By the way i am a big Bret Hart fan and i do agree that there is no way he had nothing to do it with what happened,But cum on for god sake knw its its a decade ago i think its time to let it go people and remeber what they all have done for the company and as individuals those who were involved in the screwjob all have done a great deal for the company no matter who u like r dislike
Waterford1988 4 years ago
Slayer answered someone's question, and I disagreed so I responded. By the way I am making a responce to this vid as well.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
Looking forward to that response, McMahonHater.
AFreakyDude 4 years ago
dude i like ur videos and sum of the stuff u are saying is true but other stuff is just crap Bret Hart supported the arrival of Steve Austin to wwe and not only thatVince Mcmahon said this also i dont think any of us know the true situations of the montral screwjob enough that we cnt really comment about it, also i personally believe if your invovled in the company thats the only you could comment properly on this.
Waterford1988 4 years ago
i think shawn disrespected bret at mania.
ringofedwin 4 years ago
It isnt about Shawn or Vince. Bret was an employee of the WWF. He should have gone out in a dress if they told him to. Wrestling isnt about winning anyway but his ego couldnt let him lose. He should have lost cleanly, how many guys lost cleanly to him without crying? He was fortunate to get teh title push in the first place, he should be classy enough to give it up.
daveatmizzou 4 years ago
Well Said I think the same thing
Steveboy177y 4 years ago
Top notch.
JerROHx 4 years ago
haha i asked tht question
hbksharpshooter 4 years ago
Dude, drop the Bret biased.
JerROHx 4 years ago
great vid
bubz123 4 years ago
I agree, He should of dropped the title. I cant think of a reason that would justify why he should not have dropped it.
TheWordOfWWE 4 years ago
ok main reason vince was scared of bret leaving with thre belt is because of what alundra blaze(medusa) did to the womens title, she went on nitro and dumped it in the fucking trash....then again fast forward to yrs in the future and we have rhino doing the same thing with the ecw title...i mean atleast respect the belt that the promoter gave u, dont think just cause u were GIVEN the belt means u can piss all over the traditon it holds....
unknowncrimes 4 years ago
i know people will bring up what shane douglas did with the nwa belt, and again im not a fan of that either but blame paul e. on that one, he had shane cut that promo on the belt and was in the back completely playing off to the nwa higher ups saying that this is allll part of the show and its for an angle, which as we later found out wasnt the case...but anyways, thats why promoters dont like having people walk away with the strap....
unknowncrimes 4 years ago
look what flair did when he came to wwf first, he was wearing the fucking wcw world title belt and claiming he was the true champion....look at the angle with hall vs michaels when they both had the ic belt cause shawn didnt wanna send his belt back to vince
unknowncrimes 4 years ago
Don't know if this was already said, but your audio quality is declining as the video drags on.
memphisarab 4 years ago
I am a big Bret Hart fan, but I do think that what you have said in this video about him dropping the belt was in fact the right thing to do. Great Vid again truthslayer.
BS0719 4 years ago
*Or sorry, what I meant was he NEEDED to drop the belt and I was agreeing with you.
BS0719 4 years ago
*I meant that he NEEDED to drop the title.
BS0719 4 years ago
Bret is such a whiny bitch, by his line of thinking maybe Randy Orton should never drop the belt in America because it's his home country hahaha.
larrylaserbeameyes 4 years ago
agree with you
potmanbox 4 years ago
Yeah, it's clear to everyone by now that you do indeed have enough time to meet Bill but you just don't want to get buried.
rvdtito4I1fe 4 years ago
well look who it is...hello "old friend"....
bigalAWT 4 years ago
rofl
rvdtito4I1fe 4 years ago
Welcome to the party :D
McMahonHater 4 years ago
instead of meeting up which seems odd and creepy to me then why dosent bill n doung openly challenge truthslayer on youtube if they are that ready to bury him. maybe they just want to meet up personally so they can go back on youtube and manipulate the story of what would of happened.
victor75208 4 years ago
Let me give you a run down of what would happen:
TSlay would show up
Bill and Doug would do nothing but yell at him because they are fucktards and act as if he was showing up for a fight.
MosesJesusFriends4ev 4 years ago
What do you mean by the Undertaker had to talk to Shawn.
JAKETCMS 4 years ago
When your boss tells you to do something on a show there's really no reason you shouldn't do it.
MosesJesusFriends4ev 4 years ago
at the end f the day, bret hart worked 4 the wwf, he has to do wot they tell him too, if im in work and i just say im not gonna do summin i get fired, bret was told to drop the title he shud have dropped the belt cause his boss told him 2, if he wasnt willin to drop the belt he shoulda just sed ok fine, give me the blet, get out we'll find some1 else 4 SS
Dickiebo26 4 years ago
this vid had a bit of lag and audio problems, just making u aware, good vid though i completely agree and u seem to have a much better grasp of the situation than anyone else whose tried to explain it
bighustle 4 years ago
Bret Hart is a moaning asshole.He should have took the job, left to WCW and thats the end of that. But being the egomaniac Bret Hart was he wouldnt do that, yes it was bad at the time but 10 years on hes stil moaning non stop
YourTeacher777 4 years ago
great vid
rohstyles 4 years ago
WM12 hissy fit from Bret after the match, first time I heard this. I had read that Bret accepted the job but HBK had to the job next year, cuz Bret wanted to take time off. Bret didn't like the company direction, but Bret and Austin got along very well during the feud, Austin was pissed at Owen for the piledriver at Summerslam, but Bret said in many interviews he liked the Austin character and got along with him during the feud(it's compatible with the WWE direction).
primus103 4 years ago
I left this as a comment on McMahonHater's video, but you do what the promoter wants you to do. You drop the belt when he wants you lose to this guy you lose to that guy. I think regardless of Bret being "screwed"(and rightfully so) in Montreal, if he did the job, people from Montreal would still be putting heat on HBK today.
IKnowsWrestling 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Its stupid it dosent work let me play with my hair some more
03appan 4 years ago
Doug doesn't have any hair. Tell him to take off the cap every once in a while and maybe he wouldn't have the balding problems he would.
IKnowsWrestling 4 years ago 2
i agree on most points but the reason Bret threw a hissy fit was because HBK told him to GTFO out of the ring it was his moment. Just thought id note you at that.
Monoxide1234455 4 years ago 2
Well said, people can mope and feel sorry for Bret as much as they want, but the truth will always be that he should have done the job and not let his ego get in the way. He forced himself and Vince into that situation and then came out of it looking just as bad as Vince, Shawn, Hebner and whoever else people like to blame. It was unprofessional on both sides but one side has managed to move on and forget about it.
TrickOfTheMoment 4 years ago
well vince shouldnt have let bret believe the match would end with a run in and let him believe he can give up the belt on raw. Vince should not give him creative control on his last 30 days in his contract. Vince should not have given bret a contract which he couldn't pay.
meahvideos 4 years ago
the reason vince decieved him was because bret wouldnt let himself go out any other way since bret couldnt promise that bischof wont say that he signed bret live 1 hour before the last raw bret was to appear on. its tradition to drop the belt to whoever the boss thinks is the next best thing and it was also vinces orders which brets ego would not let himself follow so vince did the only thing he could because of brets insubordination for his bosses orders.
victor75208 4 years ago
Pause at 7:29
Looks like he's have a little trouble on the potty.
RSBH1234 4 years ago
the story i alway heard was, bret, wanted to come out, the next night on raw, and give up the bet, to shawn, and bert can leave with his head still high, and i also, heard that, russo, told vince, the best idea is to, screw bert, but not to sure how true that is? but i still and will also, think, vince screwed bert!
ratedRgamer 4 years ago
I totally agree with you.
Bret screwed Bret.
Shawn deserved the title.
Vince made the right choice at the time.
cooldjice 4 years ago
I thought Bret was upset with Shawn after WM 12 because Shawn told Bret "to get the fuck out of the ring" so Shawn could have his moment
Londrick 4 years ago
thank you finally someone said hbk had nothing to do with it
Gavin48 4 years ago
Because if we are talking about time honoured traditions wrestlemania 13 was suppose to be hbk bret 2 in which bret was suppose to win...however shawn did not want to do that and used his knee injury as an excuse in that regard hbk owed bret and he messed up a years worth of plans
Linkuk85 4 years ago
Great vid, you make some good points
GoddessOfTheDark88 4 years ago
One last thing, Dave Melzer isn't a "Bret Hart Fan" so far as I know. So how do you explain him reporting the things he did (in cluding who was in on the screw job) if he is so respected for being unbiased.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
You mean the things you talked about on your vid? You left out ALOT of stuff as you didn't even talk about the bischoff side of things which is a major factor in what happend. and in the vid you only talked about SHAWN very little talk about Vince.
TSlay1974 4 years ago
You left out the point that the reason why Bret was pissed off after WM was that Shawn had been disrespectful then as well. You also forgot the fact that several wrestlers (including Taker) had sided with Bret, and Rick Rude jumped over to WCW because of what they did to Bret.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
On a final note...
people forget, Vince had NO PROBLEMS WHAT-SO-EVER letting Ric Flair debut in the WWF holding the WCW title, which he called the "real world championship"
Vince was and is the same size of bastard that bischoff was and is
meahvideos 4 years ago
The difference being, is that the belt Flair came to WWE with was HIS property, and not the property of WCW. Before Flair had his own custom belt, the NWA/WCW were using the title that TNA was using before they got the TNA title belt.. Also, Vince didn't want to take the chance of Bret showing up on Nitro with the WWF title belt and throw it in the trash like Alundra Blayze/Medusa did
HaloSe7en 4 years ago
I dont believe that.. I believe Vince screwed him because he refused to job to HBK... not the fact that he would show up on WCW with the belt. Anyone leaving the company is expected to do a job on leaving. Bret refused to do it. Of course the belt being on nitro would have been bad but thats just half the story. Also, I understand about flair's belt, but vince still tried to sell it as the WCW belt, what with it being blurred up on TV and all that crap.
meahvideos 4 years ago
Then your not looking at what all went down. Just becouse Vince "Used" Flair's title doesn't mean he was stupid enouph to let someone do it to him.
TSlay1974 4 years ago
No it means he's a bitch who can dish it out, but not take it. Besides I don't think Bret would have done that. What was to stop them from giving bret a belt and saying he was the real champion anyway.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
Its not about bret doing it was bout Bischoff which you still don't want to talk about.
TSlay1974 4 years ago
Don't blame McMahon's crooked crap on Bishoff. You put all this on bret but if Vince had played it straight he could have walked away the BIGGER man, did you ever think about that?
McMahonHater 4 years ago
Bishoff and Maddussa are the ONLY 2 people that can be and should be blamed.
EXXXTACY69 4 years ago
bah. Eric is and was a whinny bitch. Vince had every right to defend his company. Bichoff had already thrown one belt in the trash. you can't tell me he wouldn't placed stupid amounts of money in Brett's hands to throw the world title into the trash. if that had happend the wwf would have taken a massive hit.
TraciPeteyforlife 4 years ago
If Bret was that type of person he never would have sighned back with WWF to begin with he would have gone to WCW for the 9 million over 3 years.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
Believing that the match would end with a run in and then get swerved was and is out of order. after the hard work Bret put into the then WWF, he didn't deserve such a poor ending. I think Bret would have given up the belt with dignity on the next nights raw after the Survivor Series but we will never know. Its a shame that such a legendary career has been and still is ruined because of the screwjob, and its a bigger shame that most will remember Bret as "the guy who was screwed"
meahvideos 4 years ago
Yes, but if you watch "Wrestling With Shadows", Bret called for the schmoz ending with the run-in..
HaloSe7en 4 years ago
I have watched wrestling with shadows, and I know bret wanted a run in finish... so whats your point? Im saying that the fact Bret believed that the match would end with a run in and then get swerved was out of order. read before posting.
meahvideos 4 years ago
Surendering the title in Ottawa is the one I've heard most. As for tradition, it's bull shit. Traditions in wrestling almost chainge every 6 weeks. According to Mick Foley's book Bret had discussed Angles that would put the belt on either Austin or Mick himself.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
Yes lets put the belt on Austin basicly killing your mainevent at WM that is great and Mic was not ready for the title at that point.
TSlay1974 4 years ago
How does it kill WM to put the belt on Austin at SS or even on RAW. Then he could have worked with Taker or even The Rock.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
Bret didn't like SCSA and would b damed to pu him over again.
Rock wasn't big enough till the following year.
HBK beat Taker in the HIAC that set-up Kanes debut. So with Taker fueding with Kane he couldn't win the title.
Besides you know how Austin winning at WM14 started the Attitude Era. WWF did that on purpose. Starting the Attitude Era at a raw wouldn't work.
HBK was the only choice.
Nic1700 4 years ago
I already explained that Mick Foley claims in his book that Hart had an idea that would have put the belt on either Foley or Austin.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
Tslay, where did you hear that Bret Hart didn't like Steve Austin? Both Bret and Austin have both sayed (off the record) that they were very fond of eachother and enjoyed eachothers matches. I thought it was Hart who pushed Vince to sign Austin. Add the fact that Austin inducted him into the hall of fame (lets face it, hart wouldnt let himself be inducted by someone he didnt like) and both of them cold shouldered hogan at the HOF ceremony
meahvideos 4 years ago
Um you need to do some research AT the time they where not so buddy buddy as Heart didn't like the Austin Charicter at all and. As far as Austin the Non-Wrestler I am sure they where fine but as far Austin the charicter Not so much.
TSlay1974 4 years ago
please tell me where you got that from truthslayer no offense i see you as a biased fan who doesnt like hart bret hart has said he thought the austin character was great he chose to work with austin the only thing he didnt like was the the racism angles the sex angles he has never and i repeat never said he had a problem with stone cols im afraid u are living off anti-hart internet forums
reloadingthegun 3 years ago
Yay, finally someone agrees with me that its between Vince and Bret.
Bret Hart is a confusing character for me - One minute he's "The best yadda yadda yadda" the next he's a immature stooge who cries over everything.
Its in the past - Lets keep it there
Bongoinc 4 years ago
great vid
KroniK1987 4 years ago 2
Actually one of the reasons why bret was pissed was during that iron man match after bret had told him he would put him over shawn yelled at him to get out the ring and he did the same to hebner which hart found disrespectful. Shawn owed bret and h owed the fans but lost his "smile"
Linkuk85 4 years ago
Thanks you Linkuk85.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
So disrespectiful that he wanted to leave the WWF even though acording to MamahonHater he never really wanted to? Was shawn a dick yes. But again NON of that has to do with what happend between Vince and Shawn.
TSlay1974 4 years ago
Yes it does, you talk about tradition, well respect for putting someone over is part of it. Talking shit to a respected performer like Bret goes against tradition. HBK was a punk, and Vince told Bret he could leave how he wanted, so Bret was right and Vince was wrong.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
If you go to Bill Apter's website someone posted a column on this subject and he goes into what happened from his perspective of working their at the time. After I read what he wrote I emailed him back saying that he left out the most important part Madussa and Eric Bishchoff and he agree that situation made Vince so paranoid so thats why Vince did what he did.
EXXXTACY69 4 years ago
Do you really think Bret would have one something like that? He didn't even want to leave WWE. And one thinh Slayer is leaving out is that if Bret did use leverage (and he did) so what, Vince does the same thing now that there isn't anywhere elts for wrestlers to go to make good money.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
Yeah he didn't want to leave the WWF that is why Vince had to give him the largest contract in wrestling for him to STAY in WWF and not go to WCW.
TSlay1974 4 years ago
Now, I don't know any of the actual numbers that were thrown out there by WWF and WCW, but I was under the impression that WCW threw out a HUGE offer to Bret Hart, which he turned down to stay with the WWF, the year before he signed the 20 year deal.
scipio2009 4 years ago
I don't understand why you are so pissed because Bret tried to get the best deal he could for his skills. Why is it so bad for him to do it, but if McMahon did it you would call him a smart buissness man. Bret should be penalised for being smart as well.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
The 20 year deal that Bret signed with WWF was more than enough to set him up for life.
As a favor to Vince, seeing the financial straights of WWF, Bret optioned out of the deal, with Vince's blessing, and went to see the deal he could get from WCW.
Vince's #1 heel was Austin, #1 face was Michaels and he was stuck with Hart still around.
The more I look at it, the more I see how wrong Vince actually was.
scipio2009 4 years ago
Thanks scipio. Any support on this is good :D.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
I don't know amd thats the rub. Vince couldn't afford to take that chance then any more then he could a few years later with JJ and the Intercontinental title.
EXXXTACY69 4 years ago
You know what, that was JR's fault and good on Jerrett for doing it. That's what you get when you continue a show after one of the performers die.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
I agree it was wrong to keep going after what had happend with Owen. but they were in a no win situation at the time. they need that money, and something horrfic had just happend. bad deal all around.
TraciPeteyforlife 4 years ago
great vid. right on the money. Brett was a whinny bitch, wasn't even thinking about how the fallout would have been for everyone else. hell they could have been out a job. with rent/morg and bills to pay. beeing sent into bankrupty. Brett was in the wrong. and Vince should have hit him with a base ball bat. again kicks ass vid Josh.
TraciPeteyforlife 4 years ago
How would Vince honouring his side of the contract have cost anyone ther job.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
Vince couldn't hit bret with a base ball bat he was to buisy napping in the corner of the locker room after bret kayed his lying back stabing ass out.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
ok. maybe the bat was a little out of line. but I still think Brett should have been a bigger man about it. yes Shawn was a prick, and he could still be one. but that's got nothing to do with how to leave a company with class. my point is that Brett should have forgoten about shawn. and remembered all the guys who he did respect. And done it for them and his own legacy. Eric would have shoved stupid money in front of him to throw the belt in the trash. he did it with Madusa.
TraciPeteyforlife 4 years ago
And Bret would have told Eric NO, because he wouldn't have had the belt, because he would have handed it over to Vince before he left the stadium in Montreal. Unlike Trish who took it with her, and had legal documents sent to her telling her to return it.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
perhaps. but we will never know for sure. besides at the time, bret was hacked off at Vince anyway. and I can't fault Vince for it. in the back of his mind had to be, Eric and his tons of money. Can't tell me Eric wouldn't have liked to have done it. didn't know Trish had title napped the womens title.
TraciPeteyforlife 4 years ago
what an shawn michaels wasnt and steve austin wasnt honestly grow up with the repetitve remarks
reloadingthegun 3 years ago
Yeah, I will go with you on this
nakamawarrior 4 years ago
Spot on
dagme1 4 years ago
truthslayer check your messages!!! i left a link in there answering the whole montreal screwjob thing!!!!!!!!!
Travi89 4 years ago
Dude i agree with you alot but you are wrong about this and it really seems like you are going right from wrestling with shadows and its kind of makeing you look like a mark.
krame99 4 years ago
I am not going from wrestling with shadows at all. Alot of what I am talkinga bout was Reported LONG before that even came out.
TSlay1974 4 years ago
Plus, you say that the title shouldn't be given up yet it has before when Vince won it he forfeited it so tradition wasn't followed there. I still maintain that Bret should have lost to Shawn on the Raw before the show in a impromptu match and with a screwy finish leading to Bret Vs. Shawn as champ. Therefore the DQ finish could go ahead.
destinybro 4 years ago
it shouldn't be given up when a guy is LEAVING a company that is what i am talking about the only time that didn't happen was when Flair left for the WWF
TSlay1974 4 years ago
i have to side with Flair on that one. He was owed money and WCW wouldn't give it to him.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
Great vid... I can't stand the Bret Hart fans. If your boss asks you to do something, you do it. If he wanted him to job to Hitler, he should do it.
therealyanksup 4 years ago
maybe not Hitler. but yeah, Brett should have done the job. and people wonder where Teddy got his bratty attuide.
TraciPeteyforlife 4 years ago
Not from Bret. To my knowledge this was the only time Bret rufused to do a job.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
You go against what other insiders have said. I have read what all the respected journalists wrote and he was annoyed at WrestleMania as Shawn said to him "Get the fuck out the ring, this is my moment". And Vince offered the contract to stop him going to WCW. If Bret wasn't loyal he would have left then and gotten the better money contract.
destinybro 4 years ago
Annoyed?!?!? and that is why he took of for HOW LONG? WCW didn't offer him more money than WWF did WWF offered the biger contract which is why he stayed it was just backloaded in pay.
TSlay1974 4 years ago
And so because Bret made a smart buisness move you claim he held the WWE hostage? That makes no sence. If there had been no WCW offer Bret would have gone back for less money and then Vince would have been getting a bargan, so would Vince be black mailing Bret then? It works both ways TSlay.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
I am not saying it doesn't but Bret threw a fit like it or not he did. Do I blame him for wanting more money No not at all. But Bret was not a saint in this deal like you made him seem to be.
TSlay1974 4 years ago
If hissy fit's could get you a rais in the WWE Shawn would have been making a billion dollars a year.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
Agree with McMahon Hater.
EternalMessiah 4 years ago
What Bret really screwed was the pooch in WCW, I think El Dandy was more over with the fans than he was. His WCW career was underwhelming. Anyone remember NWO 2000??? I didn't thino so hahahaha.
larrylaserbeameyes 4 years ago
nWo 2000, please kill me. Jarret, Hart and The 'Old'siders. Scary moment in WCW
Bongoinc 4 years ago
Bret was never an excellent mic worker, and all WCW did was work the cruisers and get the top of the card over on the mic.
In a way, WCW at that time was alot like WWE today, a promo driven promotion.
scipio2009 4 years ago
What would give anybody the idea that Shawn Michaels had anything to do with the Screwjob?
Also... Bret should have went to Nitro the night after the screwjob to vent... there was not reason to wait 6 weeks.
pilgrimskrew 4 years ago
Well, I heard that in his book he says that he came up with it for Vince so thats why it would have to do with him.
destinybro 4 years ago
Blame Canada!
Blame Canada!
It seems that everything's gone wrong since Canada came along.
Blame Canada!
They're not ever a real country anyway!
RSBH1234 4 years ago
My only gripe with your points is the fact that Bret could've easily dropped the belt, on the following RAW.
It was an OK request to leave WWE still looking strong in Canada.
In any city in the US, or outside of Canada, Bret should have readily done the job to Michaels.
But, Canada was, and is, Bret's home territory.
You don't ask Piper to job in Portland. You don't ask Lawler to job in Memphis. You don't ask the Von Erich's to job in Texas. You shouldn't have asked Bret to job in Canada.
scipio2009 4 years ago
and over and over and over again. Damn Jack Nicholson sucks.
RSBH1234 4 years ago
And what about Bischoff and Nitro that night that is what the problem with that is.
TSlay1974 4 years ago
That's a very valid point to bring up.
I can honestly say that i have no idea if Bischoff would've spoiled, in my opinion, the only real OUT in the situation.
Bischoff had already thrown one belt in the trash by that time, if I remember right, so Vince really had no reason to believe that this situation would be any different.
If I was in Vince's shoes, what would I have done? I'm not sure.
scipio2009 4 years ago
Being a Hart fan, I would have probably booked some multi-man match, getting the belt off of Bret and to Shawn, without Bret taking the pin, and then book the rematch for RAW, having Michaels go over Bret clean there.
That way Hart leaves looking strong in Canada, Michaels get's his heat back from Hart, and business gets done right.
scipio2009 4 years ago
that would have been intresting. except for Hart having signed with wcw. and the fact Eric was compleatly untrust worthy and a little bitch to boot.
TraciPeteyforlife 4 years ago
That's why it would have been a bit dicey.
I don't know what the actual card ended up looking like, so this might be impossible to execute, but bear with me.
Found the WWF '97 roster, and looking at the top six guys, excluding Austin, they could've booked a fatal four way, with Michaels, Hart, Undertaker and Vader/Taker's feud.
A whacky ending later, Michaels walks out with the belt and Hart walks out, strong ,with the need for a rematch.
scipio2009 4 years ago
No, the problem is Vince can't handle someone saying no to him, cause he is a little punk who likes to play with peoples lives. When I see Steph unempleyed for being a crappy booker then I'll believe other wise.
McMahonHater 4 years ago
Give me a break, you may have a point if the match took place in Calgary but it didn't.
The actual reason behind the screw job has absolutely nothing to do with Canada, HBK, HHH, the ref, Vince or anyone else employed by WWF at the time including Brett.
The entire reason for it was Eric Bischoff and Madussa.
EXXXTACY69 4 years ago
exxtacy, dont be so stupid. Vince screwed Bret, and HBK and Earl Hebner were instrumental in the swerve.. as in they knew it was going to happen when the bell rung.
People forget that Vince had no problems whatsoever letting Ric Flair debut in WWF with the WCW belt