Pro-life

[phoenixdrive1973]

Killing saves lives???? I don't get it Howardsternn. Wow we certainly live in a egocentric world when people can so ignorantly try to justify that human life has no importance. We were all embryos once. We were all protected inside our mothers womb at some point. Just because we don't see them or hear them doesn't mean they have no worth. Humanity? What a scary thought?

[HowardSternn]

Abortion saves lives

[LovedbcHim]

@ailingequation I've been to a boys orphanage. Those children are not unwanted. They have a God Who loves them unconditionally, and even those children can soar in this world if given the chance. The problem is not pro-life. The problem is people who are too rich but too selfish to look at those in need. But enough pointing the finger about what the problem is. The point it it's still wrong. All of it, including abortion.

[bobplatypus]

@LovedbcHim lol god loves you kids, hope you areen't hungry though because there's no food tonight

[Sueezee1]

@bobplatypus says: lol god loves you kids, hope you areen't hungry though because there's no food tonight

~~~~~~~~~ That was priceless!!! Good job

[Emirichan317]

"ABORTION: the termination of pregnancy... resulting in the death of an embryo or fetus."

"INFANTICIDE: the act of killing an infant."

"INFANT: a child in the earliest period of life."

"CHILD: an unborn or recently born person."

"FETUS: an unborn vertebrate... a developing human."

from Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary and the Medical Free Dictionary online

[lgoodwin1220]

view my opinion at blog spot . com. my blog is called the world is crazy and has a section about abortion. tell me if you agree with me. leave comments!

[TalkingFetus0]

dowt lett theem abowt mee

imma purson

[meerkind]

I'm really shocked about all this "science thinking" which exists in the brains of so many men and women. Who are we: Humans or machines?

I prefer to be human, and I don't lie that science is a good thing in many points (but definitely not in all) - and therefore, I listen to my heart and not to surveys and fact, and my heart tells me that it is not okay to take someone's life, no matter if it is conscious about everything that we are-

every unborn baby is a miracle. therefore: always pro life.

[HearingEveryRhyme]

A zygote is identical to an amoeba, except the amoeba doesn't become a human. A zygote is a cell with human DNA, but it is not human since your hair follicles have your DNA as well and they aren't. So we, including Christians, say that it requires consciousness to be human, to separate us from beast, but a zygote does not have conscious, consciousness does not develop for a while after birth. It is not a human life, simply a potential human life.

[HearingEveryRhyme]

Stealing is the taking by force of something from a person that that specific person has the capability to immediately value. So a person in a coma can, since they had previously been able to value their life, and can do so at that instant if they choose to do so. A zygote does not have consciousness, so it cannot value its future, and if it can't value its future, then it is not morally wrong to "steal" its future.

[meerkind]

listen, this may be true for you, but it is not for me. And it is exactly what I meant by "science thinking". Science makes us think that it is ok to kill a zygote because it is not conscious. But for me it is not ok to kill a potential life (which will be conscious), and my hair definitely isn't a potential life ;-)

for me it's morally wrong to steal its future. and it is also morally wrong to confront a potential mother with that loss.. nobody can deny that so many of them suffered afterwards.

[HearingEveryRhyme]

Well for your conscious that may be true, but if morals are objective, ie murder and stealing is always wrong, then morals judgments must be concluded through logical thinking. All I'm saying is that if morals are objective, then it is not morally wrong to take a potential life, since murder is stealing, and stealing is taking from that which can consciously value something. A zygote can't consciously value something, at that stage it is no more than a glorified amoeba.

[meerkind]

well, not many years ago it was morally ok that woman didn't voting rights, and this was absolutely objective through the eyes of a lot of men.. and a bit earlier, it was morally ok to treat black people however a white man oder woman wanted to... and this was also veeeeery objective, wasn't it? Nobody sees the world through objective thinking.

[HearingEveryRhyme]

I'm talking about morals objectively. and heres a rebuttle. Men oppressed women, oppression of a conscious person is immoral, as morals are objective and are not subjective because stealing is not morally permissible. Morals have to be objective to exist, just as they exist outside of God. You don't understand what i mean by objective, morality is objective, not subjective. A moral can't be true for one person and not the other. Either it is a moral or it is not. Murder is morally wrong.

[culturejamforlife]

yes morals are objective, and murder is wrong. But a zygote is not a "glorified amoeba." Judging from your "logic" your intellectual inadequacy makes you more like an amoeba, or really more like as mouth-breathing slug.

[HearingEveryRhyme]

and because of that, it becomes necessary to realize that logic, not emotion is a critical part of philosophy and ethics. Pick up a philosophy 101 book or something, personally, I'd recommend Key issues in Bioethics edited by ralph levinson and Michael Reiss. It's a good intro to bioethics, students love it. In order to deem morality, logic is necessary and thats why "science thinking" is required, because if you say something is moral cuz you feel it, that is not a functioning argument.

[meerkind]

yes, you are right. but who decide about morals? When is something objective? When the majority of people think so?

I just wanted to say that morals can change.

[HearingEveryRhyme]

Thats not what a moral is. Morals can't change, a publics perspective can. If the entire world says something is right, it can still be wrong. Morals are objective, meaning they exist outside of humanity, and thus our creation God. Since the biblical God can get angry, he is not perfect, and since he is all powerful, he can make himself evil, but morals will still exist. Objectivity of morals means that they are always true regardless of public opinion. Murder and stealing are always wrong.

[meerkind]

And how do you know that murder and stealing is wrong? Who tells you that?

[HearingEveryRhyme]

because murder is stealing. If stealing were morally permissible, then civilization would not be able to exist. Even ethical egoists admit that it is not the best thing for society, and they are just an excuse for greed. Also, considering how you call abortion murder, I assume that you believe that it is objectively wrong. Stealing in of it self is wrong, regardless of context, since the act itself is immoral.

[culturejamforlife]

But we do get some truths from emotive thinking. Some truths are axiological and you cannot "prove" them like you can prove the photosynthetic process. Murder is wrong is one example, it is self-evident, just like abortion is murder. There are emotional people on both sides, but the truth that it is wrong to murder can be defended on rational grounds too.

[culturejamforlife]

what a load of limp-wristed bullshit based on consumeristic choice to murder. Some morals are indeed objective (see Lewis' Abolition of Man) such as it is wrong to kill an innocent human being. And life begins and conception. Therefore, abortion is murder and should be made illegal. I'm not against condoms or a woman getting cleaned out after a rape (such as trying to prevent conception). But your "logic" makes no sense.

[culturejamforlife]

Also, "hearingeveryrhyme," we don't know if an unborn child "longs for the future" but even if not, they should still be protected. Human beings have inherent worth, it is not based on some ability to play the violin or some level of consciousness which may be developing all the way into adulthood. Only Nazis think it's okay to kill innocent human beings.

[Mokenofrs]

i choose DEATH

and also here is a hidden information

those that are proLIFE are actualy anti freedom think about it

pro Choice = pro Death

death is inevitable

but freedom is either there or not

choose freedom

[leiapeison]

choose life? you cant choose unless there is a choice against it. show me where in the constitution there is a right to birth? show me anywhere where such a right exists? just because something has the potential for life outside the womb doesnt mean it automatically has a right to force childbirth upon a woman to give it a chance to fulfill that potential. women arnt chattel. they own their wombs and only they can decide what gets to stay in it and when.

[TkdRooke]

I realize this is a really late response, but although it might not say in the constitution that there is a right to birth... it does say there is a right to live. And if people believe that life starts at conception, then the baby has a right to live. From the beginning as a zygote to the end as an old man/woman.

[leiapeison]

read my other posts. there is no right to life at the physical and psychological expense of a woman. no one has a right to be inside a woman against her will. no one has a right to use her body in an invasive way.

[HearingEveryRhyme]

Life starts, but at that time it is nothing more than a zygote, and the zygote is the same as an amoeba... read my post I just did. I have my argument there.

[ohmymaybee]

Don't kill babies, but keep having wars to kill those babies we didn't kill earlier now. Makes sense... not really. IT'S MY BODY AND IT'S MY CHOICE. That's all there is to it.

[555Anne]

ohmymaybee- lol, are you really compairing deaths in a war, a war for YOUR freedom, to killing your own child? Its not yoru choice, period.

[ohmymaybee]

555Anne - OHHH!! Is THAT what this war is about? About my freedom!!! Oh you're brilliant!! You've finally cleared this up for everyone!! Congrats! IT'S MY FUCKING CHOICE. I can do whatever I want because of MY freedom! Thanks to the united states allowing me MY choices!

[555Anne]

ohmymaybee-ya!!! you get to coose to kill your kid!!! wow what a freedom, wellnot for the dad or the kid but who gives a shit about them right? as long as you can murder your own child yay! great humanity, your a moron. murder isnt freedom, its murder. for you to compair them is asinine.

[ohmymaybee]

555Anne - wow, you seem to know EVERYTHING! Even what the "dad" or the "kid" feels! You really are brilliant! Maybe you should get off your soapbox and think about these things before you open your piehole.

[555Anne]

I do think, unlike you, I choose to actually help those unwanted kids, not kill them which is your ONLY answer.

[TkdRooke]

I think you have to define whether or not they are alive. Otherwise there is no killing taking place.

Think about it.. When does life start?

1 month after conception? 2 months?

Or does it start when the baby is a zygote, nothing but a cell similar to the end of a piece of hair you pull out of your head?

If you believe life starts at one of these stages, then yes an abortion would be murder, from that stage forward.

But conciousness does not occur in the baby until 20-27 weeks... just FYI

[libbypotpie]

--too long--

Just because its not completly developed doesn't mean it has no feelings and that its not subjected to pain.

It has a heartbeat!

Plants don't have heartbeats, yet people get upset if we cut a tree down, or we try to get oil from the deserted places in alaska..

Anyone has the right to cut their own limb off, but this baby is a completely different person, with its own limbs (or stubs, or partial limbs)

[tittyfestival]

trees are important though. theyre essential to life. theyre at the bottom of the food chain, humans are at the top and are only needed for bacteria. furthermore, not only have we over populated this earth, which our existence is not even nesecessary to sustain the ecological cycle, but we've destroyed everything below due to overpopulation

[libbypotpie]

Humans have been around forever sweetie, and new trees are growing everryy day.

Isn't that amazing!?

So, what are you planning on just killing everyone so we won't inconvenience the earth?

That makes LOTS of sense!

[EmeekoKeller]

are you even aware of the carrying capacity? if we keep going at this rate, everyone will eventually die, a horrible miserable death, including the fetuses, when theyre adults & are fully aware of whats going on.

[libbypotpie]

So then lets just all kill ourselves so the deer and the cows can live much more comfortably!

So because were all destined to die, we should just kill all the children in the world so WE don't die, and they won't have to?

Or no, you're SPARING them from a horrible death, unlike getting cut into little peices and being vaccumed, and being burnt inside and out with sulfur?

[EmeekoKeller]

not children, embryos and fetuses.

not increasing the death rate, decreasing the birth rate.

[tittyfestival]

it is legal to slaughter hundreds of thousands of cows, chickens, pigs, etc. to deny them life, a life they already are aware of, they feel and know.

your absolutely wrong. libbypotpie. i'm sorry to break it to you, but fetuses actually cannot feel pain, cannot feel emotion, cannot talk, cannot decide, cannot understand. it can't decide whether it will live or die.

BECAUSE IT IS INCAPABLE OF DECIDING.

[libbypotpie]

How do you know if they can or can't?

Its been proven, because they have nerves.

What you don't feel pain until AFTER you're born?

If thats the case, why would a doctor spank a baby to make it cry when it doesn't breathe after its born?

Of course its incapable of deciding!

No baby can think for itself, thats why we should protect it!

Not kill it because its an inconvenience to be pregnant, and because its weaker than us.

[tittyfestival]

again your wrong. earthworms have nerves. these are so basic they have not begun to develop any major pain receptors.

you spank a baby on its back to get the fluid from the amniotic sac out of the babys lungs. it has nothing to do with what the baby feels. a baby cries because thats the only sound it can make. your saying a baby cries because its in pain?

your argument is terribly weak. we slaughter hundreds of thousands of creatures, that are more developed than these fetuses every day.

[libbypotpie]

Also, yes you're right about the amniotic fluid, thats the whole point I was making, spanking also gets the baby crying TOO which helps get the fluid out of its lungs.

But still you have yet to answer my question as to when the development of feelings in a baby comes about?

After its born?

Or before?

Because if its before, than what about abortions done to a full term baby?

[tittyfestival]

because, think about it. what would be more miserable,being a salamander that gets its brains vacuumed out, so essentially it can't fully feel it, since the brain is totally mushed, and can't feel anything because its not funtional, or, an adult who lives out three months starving before it actually dies. i think the first is more humane, but thats not the main point i'm trying to make :

[tittyfestival]

feelings; as in emotional or physical? emotional feeling is impossible. its a fact that embryo's and fetuses are incapable of feeling pain before 24 weeks. by then, whenever its spino-thalamic system is fully funtional, then its able to sense miniscule amounts of tension, but not the pain you and i feel. but nearly all, -99%- of abortions are done before 20 weeks.

[libbypotpie]

THe whole overpopulation thing is just crap.

A survey was done and we could put every single person in the united states with room to walk around, just in jacksonville florida.

Also, what about the deserted areas of colorado, an montanna, and alaska?

Also, another survey was done saying every person in the world could own two acres of land.

So if you have say, 100, YOURE the one taking space my friend.

[tittyfestival]

sure we'd be able to fit, but we would be able to survive. we'd have no agricultural space to farm which accounts for well over a third of the land in the united states alone

when i say overpopulation i mean, too many people for the limited amount of resources, not space.

not only are we about to deal with a world water crisis, due to mining groundwater beyond a unsustainable yield,(already occuring in china and africa since around 1950)

[tittyfestival]

wouldnt be able to survive*

[tittyfestival]

but not enough, clean air, shelter, warmth, CLEAN WATER.

population is relative to resources, not how many you can put in the space given.

sure you can fit fifty mice in a two by two container, they can fit, but they wont survive.

[tittyfestival]

1,5000,000 fetuses are not necessary to human existance nor are they essential to our society as a whole.

however, babies and children are. the rate of birth must match the rate of death as its already at the carrying capacity.

[libbypotpie]

People die too.

They don't just live forever..

Our earth has been perfectly fine, and the 1,5000,000 "fetuses" that were born over two hundred years ago, due to the fact no one had come up with the idea of ripping out a growing baby, didn't seem to do anything drastic to the earth.

One might have been your relative.

Hey maybe one of the 1,5000,000 babies killed recently could have come up with a solution to our dying planet!

If thats true, you're totally screwed.

[tittyfestival]

but we're living three times as long as ever before in the history of the world.

hah, or maybe they could be the next hitler.

do you even understand the rate at which our species is reproducing? a tree takes years to grow, and theyre at the bottom of our energy pyramid, therefore are essential to our lives. of every animal on the planet.

on a large scale, forests and plants are necessary in order for life to even exist. plants are more necessary than fetuses.

[libbypotpie]

Ok, so because we don't have enough room on our planet, then we should keep any possible lives from happening because we're too selfish to share?

You think its our jobs to decide whether or not we should allow another chance of life to come in?

[FisherOfMen06]

A woman makes her "choice" when she has sex.

[Bonkker]

...Not if she is raped or subjected to incest...

Pro Choice.

[libbypotpie]

yeah true, but then how does it become the babies fault?

Why not ust give it up

Why cut them up, and vaccum them, and burn them with sulfur chemicals, and tear out their brains?

Btw did you know babies are way more sensitive when developing because their nerves are right next to the top layer of skin.

Why do people really really want to see little babies being cut up and mutaliated so much?

[Bonkker]

At that age, they really are not "little babies" yet.

All I´m saying is that it is every womans right do decide about her own body - of which the fetus is still a part at that time. A fetus at that age could never survive outside the womans body and cannot be regarded as a "baby".

[libbypotpie]

Actually even the leaders of the pro choice movement have admitted that life begins at conception..

[duckingswan]

You're right. J.J. Thomson said for the sake of argument, we will assume that life begins at conception.

And then she procedes to make pro-life look absolutely ridiculous anyway.

[libbypotpie]

so where is it the babys fault then to be subjected to death?

[FisherOfMen06]

rape/incest accounts for 1% of all abortions.

[leiapeison]

so what if rape/incest are only 1 percent? that amounts to 16,000 women a year in the US. these women should not be raped again just so birth can result. the womans body does come into play in the abortion debate. the pregnancy is affecting her body also. forcing childbirth upon unconsenting women is much more inhumane than expelling a nonsentient organism the size of a pin head from a violated womans body.

[DracoGlacius]

God made us, so our bodies aren't really ours, and when you hbave an abortion, you are killing one of God's children. Isn't it funny how we have laws protecting endangered animals yet a woman go walk into a clinic and have her son/daughter killed? One day abortion WILL end b/c God won't allow it anymore. Call me a Jesus Freak or whatever you want but I am speaking the truth. Pro-life.

[BruceForsythe]

God didn't make us cunt face - don't be so fucking dumb.

How can you speak the truth when you beleieve in a fairy tale. How can you be pro-life when your ilk murder thousands of innocents. You're an eveil cunt and so is your monkey of a mother, who is shit in bed.

[RyanRiesterer]

go to hell, ass hole!!

[BruceForsythe]

Umm - it doesn't exist deluded tosser

[RyanRiesterer]

God bless you...I feel so bad for what I said about the non believer... I was just really mad...sorry, and God Bless you for your goodness.

[fadecrm12]

You oppose abortion, so I guess you find the death penaly offensive also?

Pro Choice!

[mackdan7]

Obviously you don't find it offensive as you seem to worship death.

[ExtraGarlicNow]

fadecrm - would you support a trial by jury for a child before it was executed for the "crime" of being "unwanted". At least those on death row had the opportunity for a trial.

[Bonkker]

God?

What are you talking about- there is no God.

[libbypotpie]

and its still a baby, just because it can't live outisde of its mothers womb doesn't mean it can't feel pain, or that its not real.

[CurtisSalopek]

Women have an inalienable right to make decisions about their body and their reproductive health. It is not the place of politicians to legislate a woman's right to choose.

[derksmail]

D'Agostino is a loon, he thinks that western abortion will cause muslims to over run the world and what will the chirstians do then. Quit running from shadows.

As for deleting unappropriate content - ?? Lets delete you because I dont approve of you taking my choices away // off to eat some fetus myself, got to scrap it off the wheel of my car first = you sheepish morons!

[kashyyyk]

That's the sad part about humanity. We make the easiest decisions into such difficult ones. Just so cowards won't feel like they're being excluded. Pro-life.

[catholicchick]

pro-life for ever that was great keep up the awsom work ^^

[BruceForsythe]

ugly bitch

[JoeeBlogs]

Re: "'Pro-Lifers' are fools, mothers in nature, often purge their own litters of young they do not want to keep, why should the human animal be any different?"

So if a man or woman decides to kill their kids cos they're a bit tired of them that's OK? Clearly not - that's an absurd argument to use.

Pro-life 100% and proud of it!

[travisgorman]

weird choice to use a muse song. awesome song, but pro lifers are world class fucking idiots. children are nothing more than a chemical reaction when jizz hits a uterus. all your arguements are fucking weak. babys are lame anyway

[plumeofares]

'Pro-Lifers' are fools, mothers in nature, often purge their own litters of young they do not want to keep, why should the human animal be any different?

A Women's Body, A Women's Life, a Women's choice!

Pro-Choice!

[WatersMoon110]

Your right to live doesn't give you the right to steal one of my kidneys if you would die without it.

A fetus might have the right to live, but it doesn't have the right to use a woman's body against her will. She has the right to control her own body, and that includes denying use of her womb and nutrients to a fetus if she chooses to do so.

[cur7is]

Wow... i really can't believe people like you actually believe that. I bet you'd think different if you were the unwanted fetus though.

[WatersMoon110]

No one will ever force you to end any pregnancy you might have. You don't even have to date anyone who would choose to abort. But why should everyone have to give up the right to control their bodies just because YOU are against abortion?

[WatersMoon110]

If this posts twice, I'm sorry...

Actually, I would be completely unable to think were I still an unborn human, like all unborn humans.

What opinion I might have about my abortion now are irrelevant, seeing as how I've already been born and it is far too late to abort me.

[catholicchick]

great job keap up the great work pro-life all the way you really should delete some of those inappropriate coments

[YUMieatbabies]

I don't want my womb infected- no matter how temporary. I support abortion.  Kill the babies.

[SergantAwesome]

It's the pregnant woman's choice if she wants to carry a baby, not mine or yours.

[greenbirdfeet]

What's more important, a child's right to live or a woman haveing her womb temporarily "infected". What a word to use...

[leiapeison]

if it isnt your womb how can you have a say? it is not your body that is being unwantedly affected by a pregnancy. if women are to be treated as people and not property, they must have a right to refuse something as life changing and physically altering as pregnancy and childbirth. these are personal matters not state ones. US out of my UTERUS!!!

[lovesbigbreasts]

I fucking love to kill babies!

Humans are worthless shits anyway you are saving nothing you Christian fucking psychos.

/off to go eat baby fetus for dinner mmmmmmm